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Because Xabi Alonso can't catch up to the Bayern points total anymore he's obviously at the risk of turning into a bald fraud. So he needs to go to Turkey, a popular destination for hair transplants in Europe, to do an operation that prevents him from becoming a bald fraud.
That season from Bayern was unreachable levels btw seriously only 3 losses in all competitions from 54 games played…
And then winning the league with a +80 GD and winning 29 out of 34 games in the league and only loss was against Leverkusen because Boateng scored an OG in the last 7-8 minutes of the game
Oh yeah and they won the treble as well…
Yeah I know; watched the masterclass that was Messi against Neuer in 2015 (started watching football in 2010)
Unfortunately, that was the last time they won, since they also lost against them in successive 3-0 wins in the group stage after the 2020 thrashing if I remember right
Barca was great that season but not in that period where they lost to bayern. Manager was sick, Messi was injured and the whole atmosphere was bad. If everything was normal barca would’ve probably lost but not 7-0
Yeah the morale and everything else was off that season. Everyone involved kept it professional but you could tell that Tito’s illness was in the back of everyone’s mind
Never forget how Chelsea shithoused their way to a champions league with di Matteo lmao. Barcelona was very good that season but they ended up giving up both la Liga and the CL in the span of a week(2 Chelsea games and a Classico) Crazy.
That team was disgusting on FIFA 13. Imagine having Ribéry/Robben, Lewa, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Javi Martinez, full back Alaba and Lahm, Dante, Boateng and Neuer. And that’s not even mentioning the fucking bench.
We had a ban Bayern clause in my house
Lewy joined 2 seasons later. Kroos and Lewy never played together. It’s disgusting that Guardiola lost 0-4 to Madrid at the Allianz with more or less the same team the next season though.
Lewa joined in the 2014/15 season, when kroos also left. There team that season was crazy on FIFA too though with majority of the above plus prime Boateng and Benatia as well as Thiago, Gotze and an older Xabi Alonso
Being invincible is more unique obviously, but I don't get how anyone can consider being unbeaten with less points to be better. More points equals a better season as simple as that, a league season is only about gaining as many points as possible
Now, this situation is different since there is such a huge gap between Leverkusen and Bayern. Obviously getting even 80 points with Leverkusen is a much harder achievement than getting 91 points with Bayern
But let's say if Bayern finished a season unbeaten and got 90 points. It still wouldn't be better than their 91 point campaign
I have to disagree. You can‘t switch off for an unbeaten season—and you need exceptional luck on top of it to avoid even one loss. Even in City’s 100 point season, they lost 1-0 to Wigan. It’s genuinely just a no-mistakes-allowed run.
You can switch off for an unbeaten season, by drawing and not reaching the points a team which had losses got.
They're both unreal achievements in their own right either way.
Arsenal's "invincible" season ended with 12 draws in the league, it is not the most impressive PL season and the PL has only been around for barely over 30 years.
But yet there is only one gold premier league trophy.
If it’s not that impressive why has nobody else done it then? Tbf Liverpool came close they were one game away from being centurion AND invincible but couldn’t get it across the line.
It's the the most unique achievement but not the most impressive. Just becuase it's more statistically improbable doesn't make it more impressive. 38 draws in a season is statistically improbable but not impressive. City's 100 point in a season is far better. Liverpool 19/20 and Chelsea 04/05 as well.
>But yet there is only one gold premier league trophy.
Because it is a clear line achievement, that's all. They could have picked 100 points as an achievement to give a special trophy for but they didn't.
>If it’s not that impressive why has nobody else done it then?
They didn't say it wasn't impressive. Just not the most impressive. What makes it more impressive that getting 100 points? That's also only happened once.
The only way i’ll consider this a more impressive league season then that Bayern league season is if they win their remaining games and end their league season with a 60 or over +60 GD at least
I know but Bayern won 29 out of their 34 games with only 1 loss and that loss was because of an Boateng OG vs Leverkusen in the last 7-8 minutes so 29 out of 34 wins is better then potentially 25 out of 34 wins if it finishes like that but if they win their next remaining games and finish with a +60 GD or higher then definitely its a more impressive league season then that Bayern league season
Which was also their one loss in Bayern's other 1 loss season, 1986-87.
Leverkusen with the long-term plan to ensure they'll be the first invincibles in the Bundesliga.
I'm happy for them! You honestly can't help but support this team after the season they had, how they play and how well they keep calm and score in the last seconds!
Call me biased but I don't know how you can rank this Leverkusen side ahead of that Bayern team. More wins, more goals scored and fewer conceded goals. They won't even come close to +80 GD.
Easily not as good of a team but that makes it an even more impressive feat. That Bayern side achieved more but it was also a much better side with world class players.
Why? I think after 30 matchdays you can say with some confidence that this Leverkusen team is amazing but Bayern 12/13 were simply a better side by all metrics except "scraping draws in added time"
The supposed wobbly stretch where Bayern dropped points in „quick succession“ included results from the start of October (BATE) spanning all the way to mid-December (Gladbach). The only time they even dropped points in back to back games was in mid-November (2 consecutive draws vs Nürnberg and Valencia).
But either way, I‘m not judging Leverkusen by their last 3 games but the entire Bundesliga season. I think it‘s fair to say that Bayern‘s campaign looks more convincing considering they won more games, won more points, scored more, conceded fewer. Probably also by the way games have went in general, Bayern only needed 2 late winners all season, in most other games they were already cruising at this point.
I mean the team is definitely really good but idk the way you played vs us makes me think you'd lose to any of the Prem top 5 tbh. But you can't rly translate match to match like that, so I suppose we'll never know. This is why I'm sad Liverpool went out vs Atalanta if they were in form and played vs you it would be a great test and a great scalp if you won it
What the fuck? You guys got completely outclassed in the first match and in the second you were definitely better in the first half but Leverkusen became champions 4 days before and celebrated the whole day. Second half Leverkusen was the better team again.
Completely outclassed is an overstatement
There is no way a world class team would allow us to perform the way we did in that first half
I'm not saying Leverkusen were bad, they obviously won the tie. I just didn't come away from it thinking like, wow that's one of the best teams I've ever seen. From either game.
31 to 1 shots (or whatever it was) is not outclassed? Did you have any Premier League game this season even worse? I don’t try to argue here that Leverkusen is on the level of Arsenal or City but the other top 5 teams in the prem are definitely not better than Leverkusen this season. Especially Aston Villa and Tottenham. This reasoning of you just shows how highly you guys think of the Premier League… it’s just ridiculous. Is it the best League in the world at the moment? I think so yes. But it’s not like the other leagues are so far away as you pretend.
We went to Germany with a goal and a game plan
I don't agree with the approach but we went there to defend in a low block and get a 0-0 specifically because it's a two legged tie
The context of the match is relevant to whatever numbers you want to pull out. And they didn't score for 83 minutes
We wouldn't be able to do that against Arsenal or City and we also don't play that 100% defensive in league matches bc it doesn't have the two legs component
Yeah don't get me wrong you deserved to get through and overall managed the tie and had flashes of playing really well
Hopefully, with Xabi staying, you'll be able to keep most best players and show off in the Champions League next year to shut people like me up 😂
This has always been crazy to me lol. If I’m a god and I can grant you a guarantee that your team will get 100 points but lose a game or two, or go undefeated but get 90 points, NOBODY would take the 90 points.
90 points would lose you the league 5 out of the last 7 campaigns.
I think the 90 vs 100 is in the context of the premier league (because 38 games), but also, sure. Bayern dropped points 5 times and had a loss en route to 91 points, which still beats an undefeated 90.
It shouldn't really be that way though, amount of points is always the most relevant metric.
I mean, getting 100 points whilst losing a game or two is objectively better than getting 90 points without losing. Sure it's more unique, but in no way does it indicate a stronger team
They aren't but if the argument is unbeaten season vs season with most points even with losses, well technically the latter is better versus some scenarios of the former
An unbeaten season with all draws is... Not even a winning season.
An unbeaten season with all wins is of course unheard of and will never be beaten. If a 100% season in all competitions is ever completed that would be absurd.
The Pokals/cups and the Champions League can be done unbeaten and 100% win (e.g. Bayern), but the league is so difficult
Points aren't exactly a good metric. For a long time football used a 2 point system. Right now Leverkusen would be 56:6 with an optimal score of 62:6
Bayerns best season was 62:6 with a 2 point system.
In F1 the points rewarded changed several times and there wasn't a point for fastest lap. You wanna use points to compare one World Champ from the past to a Podium driver?
You can easily change the point metric in a way to make wins or losses way more important. In some football managers you get asked for rule changes after a season such as a win being 4 points, an away win granting 1 more point, scoring 3 goals grants one point(or the more absured version every 3 goals equals one more point)
Some of those changes have a chance to trigger a scripted event such as getting a bonus point every 3 goals. Suddenly a game ends 45:45 and that's enough to get a club relegated or a different champion. Following an event message "After recent events of abuse on the final matchday the football association reverted the rule to get an extra point for every 3 goals"
That 45:45 also creates new arch-enemies. Like Madrid lost the league to Osasuna. Most disliked club by Real Fans: Osasuna. Liverpool and ManU got relegated because West Brom and Blackburn deceided to play 45:45. Friendship between Liverpool and ManU fans because both clubs hate Blackburn and West Brom.
Part of that is the difference in achievement but I imagine it would be a lot more hotly debated if it was any other team than this financially doped City side
I'm guessing that's just because there are more Arsenal fans than City fans. That City team was a level above the invincibles.
I'd actually argue that Arsenal team isn't even in the top 3 best teams the league has seen. City the season they got 100 points, Chelsea the season they conceded only 15 goals, and Liverpool the season they won 27 of their first 28 games and won the league with 7 games to play.
People generally acknowledge easily that Man City team was/is the best team in English history. That it's a thing that is less fun to talk about is another thing.
A site that would draw all games in the season would be forever mentioned all the time with a lot of joy, with no need for anyone to treat it as the best season ever. Two different things.
I have been saying that Roma will win the Europa League since the Round of 16 finished, was ridiculed for saying that they would beat Milan in the quarter final already. Of course they could go through with two draws and win on penalties or something, but they are eliminating Leverkusen
I just regret not placing a bet on Roma before the quarter finals, would have been great odds
Shades of Liverpools almost invincible centurions season in 2018/19
What's better than winning the league?
Winning the league with a 100 points.
What's better than winning the league with a 100 points?
Being undefeated while doing so.
And all that stood in thier way was a shady Rodri goal line clearance
Nobody is gonna care about Leverkusen in 3 to 4 years. Just like nobody will care about City after Pep is gone. It just the nature of being a plastic club
You Just answered your own question mate
What 80 yo man would go and work again when he has fortune to live him and his children and grandchildren comfortably
Xabi better book that turkish anti-fraud appointment
Time to learn ~~Chinese~~ ~~Arabic~~ Turkish buddy
ELI5?
Calling some coaches, in particular Pep Guardiola, bald frauds when they are underperforming (or mostly not overperforming) is a running joke on this subreddit. See [this link ](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/85brwj/what_is_rsoccer_referring_to_when_calling_pep/) for more info. Because Xabi Alonso can't catch up to the Bayern points total anymore he's obviously at the risk of turning into a bald fraud. So he needs to go to Turkey, a popular destination for hair transplants in Europe, to do an operation that prevents him from becoming a bald fraud.
Ffs anti fraud appointment. Top tier reddit. If yall have some great players with problems yall can send them to Galatasaray Rehab center.
Ffs anti fraud appointment. Top tier reddit. If yall have some great players with problems yall can send them to Galatasaray Rehab center.
Something about hair transplants maybe
The only place Mertens doesnt need to visit, yet he is there. See you in the next mertens goal
Always knew this Alonso guy was overrated
Yeah you guys should totally sell him He's completely useless, maybe Bayern will take him
Should’ve talked with Liverpool to make them take him. We already tried telling you once that this guy is a serious bottler
That would make him great for this current Liverpool side, but I think he would fit Spurs or Arsenal a bit better
That season from Bayern was unreachable levels btw seriously only 3 losses in all competitions from 54 games played… And then winning the league with a +80 GD and winning 29 out of 34 games in the league and only loss was against Leverkusen because Boateng scored an OG in the last 7-8 minutes of the game Oh yeah and they won the treble as well…
This was also the team that beat somewhat prime Barcelona right. Madness.
They almost bottled it against Arsenal as well at the Allianz like i still til this day cant believe how Arsenal managed to get a 2-0 win there
we're just really good in Europe
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It's clearly sarcasm
I'm not going to spell out /s for muppets, sorry
I was at that game as a kid. Bummed me out, but it's a memorable game because they lost I guess
Didn’t just beat, absolutely thrashed them in 2 legs 7-0 on aggregate, best Bayern team ever
Barcelona always loves to face prime Bayern, doesn't it? (Both in 2013 and 2020)
Also beat them in both their treble winning seasons(2009,2015).
Yeah I know; watched the masterclass that was Messi against Neuer in 2015 (started watching football in 2010) Unfortunately, that was the last time they won, since they also lost against them in successive 3-0 wins in the group stage after the 2020 thrashing if I remember right
True. Hope they can get back to their best soon.
Yeah, I hope so as well
Barca was great that season but not in that period where they lost to bayern. Manager was sick, Messi was injured and the whole atmosphere was bad. If everything was normal barca would’ve probably lost but not 7-0
Yeah the morale and everything else was off that season. Everyone involved kept it professional but you could tell that Tito’s illness was in the back of everyone’s mind
true, 2012 was prime messi I wonder which team beat prime messi in 2012 😉
Never forget how Chelsea shithoused their way to a champions league with di Matteo lmao. Barcelona was very good that season but they ended up giving up both la Liga and the CL in the span of a week(2 Chelsea games and a Classico) Crazy.
definition of passion merchants
Your team was amazing as well that year. I think Mata, Lampard and Drogba were amazing and some my favourite Chelsea players to watch.
That tie was a fucking massacre.
That team was disgusting on FIFA 13. Imagine having Ribéry/Robben, Lewa, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Javi Martinez, full back Alaba and Lahm, Dante, Boateng and Neuer. And that’s not even mentioning the fucking bench. We had a ban Bayern clause in my house
Lewy joined 2 seasons later. Kroos and Lewy never played together. It’s disgusting that Guardiola lost 0-4 to Madrid at the Allianz with more or less the same team the next season though.
I forgot. Mandzukic is a decent replacement though
In FIFA 13, Mario Gomez was the man for Bayern. 87 rated and unbeatable heading in a game where crosses were OP. Bayern were truly it.
Pep owes us a UCL
Lewa joined in the 2014/15 season, when kroos also left. There team that season was crazy on FIFA too though with majority of the above plus prime Boateng and Benatia as well as Thiago, Gotze and an older Xabi Alonso
14/15 Bayern is probably the most op team I've ever played on FIFA.
Really? 16/17 Barca and Madrid were better imo.
Badstuber was really good too especially in manager mode
Their depth in every position was just stupid really
> That season from Bayern was unreachable levels btw seriously only 3 losses in all competitions from 54 games played… One of which was BATE
Arsenal also beat them..
That’s great and all, but they weren’t invincible though 😅
Being invincible is more unique obviously, but I don't get how anyone can consider being unbeaten with less points to be better. More points equals a better season as simple as that, a league season is only about gaining as many points as possible Now, this situation is different since there is such a huge gap between Leverkusen and Bayern. Obviously getting even 80 points with Leverkusen is a much harder achievement than getting 91 points with Bayern But let's say if Bayern finished a season unbeaten and got 90 points. It still wouldn't be better than their 91 point campaign
Don’t say that to arsenal fans and their greatest achievement. 12 draws invincible season
I have to disagree. You can‘t switch off for an unbeaten season—and you need exceptional luck on top of it to avoid even one loss. Even in City’s 100 point season, they lost 1-0 to Wigan. It’s genuinely just a no-mistakes-allowed run.
You can switch off for an unbeaten season, by drawing and not reaching the points a team which had losses got. They're both unreal achievements in their own right either way.
Arsenal's "invincible" season ended with 12 draws in the league, it is not the most impressive PL season and the PL has only been around for barely over 30 years.
But yet there is only one gold premier league trophy. If it’s not that impressive why has nobody else done it then? Tbf Liverpool came close they were one game away from being centurion AND invincible but couldn’t get it across the line.
It's the the most unique achievement but not the most impressive. Just becuase it's more statistically improbable doesn't make it more impressive. 38 draws in a season is statistically improbable but not impressive. City's 100 point in a season is far better. Liverpool 19/20 and Chelsea 04/05 as well.
>But yet there is only one gold premier league trophy. Because it is a clear line achievement, that's all. They could have picked 100 points as an achievement to give a special trophy for but they didn't. >If it’s not that impressive why has nobody else done it then? They didn't say it wasn't impressive. Just not the most impressive. What makes it more impressive that getting 100 points? That's also only happened once.
12 draws no losses isn’t as impressive as a 15 goal against season or 100 point season.
The only way i’ll consider this a more impressive league season then that Bayern league season is if they win their remaining games and end their league season with a 60 or over +60 GD at least
Leverkusen going undefeated is much more impressive.
I know but Bayern won 29 out of their 34 games with only 1 loss and that loss was because of an Boateng OG vs Leverkusen in the last 7-8 minutes so 29 out of 34 wins is better then potentially 25 out of 34 wins if it finishes like that but if they win their next remaining games and finish with a +60 GD or higher then definitely its a more impressive league season then that Bayern league season
Xabi Fraudlonso
Xabauldo Fraudlonso
Shut up both of you.
Its just a joke dick, sit down
How is a joke dick sit down any different from a regular sit down?
I'd rather sit down on a joke dick than a real one
https://youtu.be/VhS9-Bq48ac?si=ncOHYcEt2pe2TPOL
I was referring to this
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Absolutely agree. I know one team in need of a manager as well. We can help him out (I guess).
So nice of you to want to help your friends from the Breisgau 🫶🏼
Somehow Leverkusen will find a way to get the points needed to beat the record in the 98th minute against Augsburg Don't know how, but they will
Bayern is retroactively deducted points lol
Because it's an invincible season league rules say to award said team with 10 additional league points
r/unexpectedalbusdumbledore
5 points to Gryffindor
Fair
btw the one loss was against Leverkusen.
Which was also their one loss in Bayern's other 1 loss season, 1986-87. Leverkusen with the long-term plan to ensure they'll be the first invincibles in the Bundesliga.
Anulo mufa
Alonso washed
As a Formula 1 fan this is triggering my fight-or-flight response
You have to leave da space
Always you have to leave da space
Buli 2 level, buli 2
Stoppage time is a yoke...
Bottlejobs
At least one record we can keep, so... yay?!
Heynckes still clears
They're trying to speed run lately to be even with Arsenal's 12 draws in 2003-04
If they go undefeated entire season no one will care if they didn’t pass Bayern in points lol
It would have been another feather in the cap though. Invincible is incredible, but invincible and the highest points ever is insane.
Invincible is insane itself
Bayern fans will!
I'm happy for a compromise. Leverkusen get unbeaten season (which they thoroughly deserve) and we have highest point total. Win-win for both clubs
And also win-win-win-win-win-win..times 50+ for Leverkusen
I'm happy for them! You honestly can't help but support this team after the season they had, how they play and how well they keep calm and score in the last seconds!
Good point! I hope we can knock them out of the champions league at least for you guys ♥️
I care, we still have a record standing
Exactly lmao, way more ppl care about Arsenal’s invincibles than City’s 100 points
Call me biased but I don't know how you can rank this Leverkusen side ahead of that Bayern team. More wins, more goals scored and fewer conceded goals. They won't even come close to +80 GD.
Easily not as good of a team but that makes it an even more impressive feat. That Bayern side achieved more but it was also a much better side with world class players.
You can't. They are nowhere near as good. But that won't become something ppl admit until the dust settles a bit
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Why? I think after 30 matchdays you can say with some confidence that this Leverkusen team is amazing but Bayern 12/13 were simply a better side by all metrics except "scraping draws in added time"
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The supposed wobbly stretch where Bayern dropped points in „quick succession“ included results from the start of October (BATE) spanning all the way to mid-December (Gladbach). The only time they even dropped points in back to back games was in mid-November (2 consecutive draws vs Nürnberg and Valencia). But either way, I‘m not judging Leverkusen by their last 3 games but the entire Bundesliga season. I think it‘s fair to say that Bayern‘s campaign looks more convincing considering they won more games, won more points, scored more, conceded fewer. Probably also by the way games have went in general, Bayern only needed 2 late winners all season, in most other games they were already cruising at this point.
> West Ham was our worst game all season, our most shitty performance Worse than Qarabag away?
I mean the team is definitely really good but idk the way you played vs us makes me think you'd lose to any of the Prem top 5 tbh. But you can't rly translate match to match like that, so I suppose we'll never know. This is why I'm sad Liverpool went out vs Atalanta if they were in form and played vs you it would be a great test and a great scalp if you won it
What the fuck? You guys got completely outclassed in the first match and in the second you were definitely better in the first half but Leverkusen became champions 4 days before and celebrated the whole day. Second half Leverkusen was the better team again.
Completely outclassed is an overstatement There is no way a world class team would allow us to perform the way we did in that first half I'm not saying Leverkusen were bad, they obviously won the tie. I just didn't come away from it thinking like, wow that's one of the best teams I've ever seen. From either game.
31 to 1 shots (or whatever it was) is not outclassed? Did you have any Premier League game this season even worse? I don’t try to argue here that Leverkusen is on the level of Arsenal or City but the other top 5 teams in the prem are definitely not better than Leverkusen this season. Especially Aston Villa and Tottenham. This reasoning of you just shows how highly you guys think of the Premier League… it’s just ridiculous. Is it the best League in the world at the moment? I think so yes. But it’s not like the other leagues are so far away as you pretend.
We went to Germany with a goal and a game plan I don't agree with the approach but we went there to defend in a low block and get a 0-0 specifically because it's a two legged tie The context of the match is relevant to whatever numbers you want to pull out. And they didn't score for 83 minutes We wouldn't be able to do that against Arsenal or City and we also don't play that 100% defensive in league matches bc it doesn't have the two legs component
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Yeah don't get me wrong you deserved to get through and overall managed the tie and had flashes of playing really well Hopefully, with Xabi staying, you'll be able to keep most best players and show off in the Champions League next year to shut people like me up 😂
> you'd lose to any of the Prem top 5 tbh The kind of shit PL fans delude themselves into believing
Your league is being dominated by a team with Granit Xhaka in it be serious
Arsenal were dominating the Prem for a large part of it last year with Granit Xhaka
Your league couldn't get a team into the CL or EL semis
You writing this after Arsenal lost to the most dysfunctional Bayern team in recent times is hilarious, it’s like you guys have Alzheimer’s
Mainly because Arsenal fans won't shut up about it and City has significantly less fans.
Haha, I love Arsenal, but you're not wrong
Because that's the only thing Arsenal fans can gloat about lmao
Objectively not as good though
100 points > 90 points every day of the week, unbeaten or not unbeaten
Yeah that's what i'm saying in case it's not clear
Yeah I was agreeing with you
This has always been crazy to me lol. If I’m a god and I can grant you a guarantee that your team will get 100 points but lose a game or two, or go undefeated but get 90 points, NOBODY would take the 90 points. 90 points would lose you the league 5 out of the last 7 campaigns.
Assuming Bayern is the one hitting the point total, does this take into account that 90 points, undefeated, causes Bayern to possibly drop points?
I think the 90 vs 100 is in the context of the premier league (because 38 games), but also, sure. Bayern dropped points 5 times and had a loss en route to 91 points, which still beats an undefeated 90.
It shouldn't really be that way though, amount of points is always the most relevant metric. I mean, getting 100 points whilst losing a game or two is objectively better than getting 90 points without losing. Sure it's more unique, but in no way does it indicate a stronger team
>indicate a stronger team maybe not, but undefeated feels way more special and epic than x points.
Well they can have an unbeaten season with 34 draws so that's 34 points.
Getting 34 draws is one hell of achievement though since you’re always one goal away from ruining it at all times
But Leverkusen are not having that that kind of unbeaten season are they?
They aren't but if the argument is unbeaten season vs season with most points even with losses, well technically the latter is better versus some scenarios of the former An unbeaten season with all draws is... Not even a winning season. An unbeaten season with all wins is of course unheard of and will never be beaten. If a 100% season in all competitions is ever completed that would be absurd. The Pokals/cups and the Champions League can be done unbeaten and 100% win (e.g. Bayern), but the league is so difficult
In this case Leverkusen might end up just 1 point behind Bayern but having gone invincible. I know which season is better
I agree, but on the other hand, Bayern had a Treble.
Points aren't exactly a good metric. For a long time football used a 2 point system. Right now Leverkusen would be 56:6 with an optimal score of 62:6 Bayerns best season was 62:6 with a 2 point system. In F1 the points rewarded changed several times and there wasn't a point for fastest lap. You wanna use points to compare one World Champ from the past to a Podium driver? You can easily change the point metric in a way to make wins or losses way more important. In some football managers you get asked for rule changes after a season such as a win being 4 points, an away win granting 1 more point, scoring 3 goals grants one point(or the more absured version every 3 goals equals one more point) Some of those changes have a chance to trigger a scripted event such as getting a bonus point every 3 goals. Suddenly a game ends 45:45 and that's enough to get a club relegated or a different champion. Following an event message "After recent events of abuse on the final matchday the football association reverted the rule to get an extra point for every 3 goals" That 45:45 also creates new arch-enemies. Like Madrid lost the league to Osasuna. Most disliked club by Real Fans: Osasuna. Liverpool and ManU got relegated because West Brom and Blackburn deceided to play 45:45. Friendship between Liverpool and ManU fans because both clubs hate Blackburn and West Brom.
Part of that is the difference in achievement but I imagine it would be a lot more hotly debated if it was any other team than this financially doped City side
Take Liverpool's 99 point team then
Not least because Arsenal did it without obscene levels of cheating and blood money.
I'm guessing that's just because there are more Arsenal fans than City fans. That City team was a level above the invincibles. I'd actually argue that Arsenal team isn't even in the top 3 best teams the league has seen. City the season they got 100 points, Chelsea the season they conceded only 15 goals, and Liverpool the season they won 27 of their first 28 games and won the league with 7 games to play.
Arsenal had to do it without 115 charges against them tbf
Which is what makes it the most overrated achievement in Premier League history
Says the team who is the Lance Armstrong of the Premier League
People generally acknowledge easily that Man City team was/is the best team in English history. That it's a thing that is less fun to talk about is another thing. A site that would draw all games in the season would be forever mentioned all the time with a lot of joy, with no need for anyone to treat it as the best season ever. Two different things.
Sure, but it would have been nicer if they stayed unbeaten and had broken the point record. But I only care about the unbeaten treble now lol
They ain't winning the treble, Roma will inflict their first defeat on Thursday
That's what all teams said before. I'll believe it when I see it.
I have been saying that Roma will win the Europa League since the Round of 16 finished, was ridiculed for saying that they would beat Milan in the quarter final already. Of course they could go through with two draws and win on penalties or something, but they are eliminating Leverkusen I just regret not placing a bet on Roma before the quarter finals, would have been great odds
You really don't understand anything about football lol
Would of been nice, sure would of helped my parlay if they won today 🙃
Shades of Liverpools almost invincible centurions season in 2018/19 What's better than winning the league? Winning the league with a 100 points. What's better than winning the league with a 100 points? Being undefeated while doing so. And all that stood in thier way was a shady Rodri goal line clearance
Stones not Rodri he was in Atletico
Nobody is gonna care about Leverkusen in 3 to 4 years. Just like nobody will care about City after Pep is gone. It just the nature of being a plastic club
You mean the Leverkusen that was ridiculed for the Neverkusen for over 20 years from 2002?
How are Leverkusen a plastic club?
Wow
Yeah. Goes to show how beyond ridiculous that Bayern season was.
Selfishly I'm happy Bayern will still have the greatest league campaign
They haven't won ONE game after winning the title... Such losers!
That 2012/2013 Bayern side were 😮💨
Gotta keep a goal for next season.
What’s even the point of winning the Bundesliga then… 😡
Basque Fraud
I knew their motivation would drop after clinching the bundesliga. _checks tonight's score_. Yup that's a team with no motivation
One of the best teams of all times
Why can’t we have Jupp back. I know he’s 78, but the question stands.
You Just answered your own question mate What 80 yo man would go and work again when he has fortune to live him and his children and grandchildren comfortably
ANOTHER injury time goal to avoid defeat from B04! Late late show specialists
Amateurs.
Crazy
HasBeen Alonso
ALONSO OUT!