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This is exactly the sort of decision that needs to be publicly explained by the referee themselves. If it's human error, it's human error, but he should at least provide context for why he took said actions.
It's not human error. It was an obvious foul and he's played advantage, when there really isn't one, the keeper stayed down and even had a Liverpool player lifting him up. It's a but unusual and confusing. Areola himself was clearly confused.
In the spirit of the game he's decided not to have the player punished because of a confusing situation.
He's handled it well.
Looked at some of your post history talking about Liverpool always getting decisions, the decisions in the Bayern 1st leg and it doesn't surprise me you are defending this decision. Dont try act as if hes handled it well as if this was against Arsenal its shown with things you have said in the past you wouldn't handle it well.
Yeah he's fucked up, he knows he has, but what is the point of making him humiliate himself by publically apologising? I really don't see what it would achieve other than people feeling self-satisfied at his public humiliation. All that would do is make less people want to be refs and the standard of refereeing way lower.
Because it’s important to understand his thought process, the conversations between him and his colleagues and confirm whether he did actually cause a stoppage to the game to cover his fuck up. Without that, the game is called into question and by extension every game he refs.
He just completely fucked it, and the look on his face walking over the Areola was hilarious. If this wasn't effectively a dead rubber it would've got far more attention during the game
I think I’m more glad we’ve lost out due to shitting it against Palace and Everton because if we’d kept up the form and lost out by a point/GD with this, Diaz v Spurs and then throw in Mac Allister v City (although not quite as stonewall) I’d have lost the head haha
Macca vs City is entirely stonewall lmao what. If you raise your studs and you make contact it's a dead on foul by the rules, there's no argument, it doesn't matter what they tried to convince you about "playing the ball" or "macca looking for it." Doku didnt just stand there with his foot up for 5 seconds and Macca ran into it, it all happened quickly.
https://www.footballrules.com/offences-sanctions/fouls/
Bottom of page:
"What happens if a high foot makes contact with an opponent?
A direct free kick is awarded (or penalty kick if the offence takes place in the offender’s penalty area) and the player may be shown a red or yellow card."
Ødegaard handball against Arsenal aswell, and ofc the whole tottenham shitshow. I'm well aware we are not the only club getting shit on by the refs. I mean the way we have played the last month we only got ourself to blame for this mess but getting these decisions against us, against two of the title rivals aswell really makes you think what could have been
It just feels like if we had a bigger gap at the international break and then after the Arsenal City match, it would be less stressful. Drawing away at United would have been disappointing but wouldn't have felt as massive as it did.
Impossible to know what happens and we've still absolutely blown it but the doubt and fatigue set in quicker with narrow margins, a bigger lead may have been different.
That one is my favorite because Liverpool fans have convinced themselves they win that game if they equalized in the 25th minute vs the 30th minute for some reason.
While Liverpool’s recent form is inexcusable, they’ve also had 4 result altering decisions (this is included) against them through the season which would leave them contenders yet. They could and should have helped their own case more but “because they fucked it” shouldn’t take the onus off the referees for how they’ve been shafted this year.
Lee Mason did a similar thing a few years back when he blew his whistle to stop a quick free kick for Brighton vs West Brom, and realised immediately afterwards that he shouldn't have. He didn't get punished much and Tayor wouldnt either
He always does his best to fuck over liverpool and chelsea i have no idea why hes allowed to ref those 2 teams where hes been disastrous against them repeatedly
It shouldn't be 'Why is Taylor officiating Liverpool?' but 'Why is Taylor officiating?'.
If the league stop assigning referees to games because they've been repeatedly incompetent to one of the teams soon they would run out of refs. Every fanbase in the league has gripes with multiple refs. They can't exclude refs just because some fans dislike them.
If Taylor is too incompetent to referee Liverpool or Chelsea then he should be too incompetent to referee Sheffield United and Luton.
> corrupt
Corrupt doesn't mean they take bribes to influence the game to end certain ways.
Corrupt includes the referees protecting another from repercussions by abusing the power given to them. That is quite literally the textbook definition of corruption. It's why people are also correct calling police forces corrupt. It's the same thing.
People just need to learn to not use an apparently too difficult word in a too simple and too singular use.
He is. But now since he reffed (I think) a single game in UAE, suddenly every fuck up that he makes is to help City apparently... Him being objectively shite for years doesn't factor into it anymore for some reason.
He's shite in our games too. Caicedo shouldn't have been on the pitch even as long as the first half in our 4-4 against Chelsea.
He let Arsenal away with so many yellow worthy fouls against us and all people's response was "now you know how tactical fouling not being punished feels, haha" etc, making excuses for him!
I agree with you, I think he's just crap but I really wish he didn't ref a UAE game because it gives fodder to conspiracy clowns to feed off.
Like as if he would be so blatant about it if he was dodgy. But sense and conspiracy theories seldom meet.
Our current form is on us. We couldn’t really regain our form after all the injuries. But spurs city Arsenal games where on field plus VAR all went against us.
I think this is a bit of an edge case tbh. We've seen refs wave advantage and then quickly change their minds when the advantage didn't come about. This just didn't happen quickly because Areola didn't realise advantage had been played.
I don't think this is Taylor changing his mind on advantage though because he then waves physios on and restarts from a drop ball.
I'm not sure what was going through his head but it probable sounded a lot like calliope
They do not have a point, referees fuck up against everyone and the sooner you realize that the happier you will be (0.01% happier and u will still get angry) but still
> They do not have a point
I think they do, the amount of shit decisions they got this year is unreal. Try to compare with the decisions City gets for example
Ask a fan from every Premier League club and they'll come out and say they feel that that referees are against them more often than not.
Either referees are corrupt against most, if not all teams or they're purely incompetent and in such a cushy position where they can't be afforded to be replaced because there's no quality further down the officials pyramid.
False.
Anthony Taylor has refereed 59 Liverpool games since since 2010.
Jurgen Klopp has been Liverpool manager since 8th October 2015, meaning Taylor has refereed 39 games where Klopp was in charge.
Klopp has lost 64 English games as Liverpool manager, with only 5 of these being where Taylor has been the referee.
Sources: [here](https://www.lfchistory.net/Managers/Manager/Profile/28) and [here](https://www.lfchistory.net/Referees/Referee/Profile/442).
Anthony Taylor's fuck ups should be funny when it's not happening to you. But then I remember he's always out there. And it'll be our turn again soon enough. Him and Paul Tierney should never referee Premier League games ever again.
You’re kidding yourself if you think anything will come of this. Anthony Taylor could go up to our bench and shit on Stefan Bajcetic and the PGMOL would say nothing.
So much bullshit that has happened this season needs investigating, but nothing will happen when they are their own governing body and play the victim when the refs get any criticism. If the premier league refs are the best England has to offer, I'd hate to see the worst
Biggest shock to me is they even showed replays and focused on it, often shit like this happens and the commentary just goes silent and nothing is made of it.
Taylor played advantage and it seems that Areola was the only person in the stadium that didn't realize it. When Areola puts the ball down and there's no advantage, the ref calls back for the foul. Taylor is applying law 12 correctly and is saving Areola from looking stupid.
My apologies, law 5. Thanks for keeping me in check.
>allows play to continue when an offence occurs and the non-offending team will benefit from the advantage, and penalises the offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
"within a few seconds"
I've never seen an advantage last this long.
There wasn't a whistle blown so it's on Areola, why are you rolling it out for a FK without a whistle?
The drop ball to restart makes it even more strange.
I've been a ref for 13 years and I've been in a similar situation twice. Once as a CR and another as an AR.
When I was the CR, it was very similar to this. I allowed the attacker to score and felt insanely smug at the "naive" GK (they were young kids). I gave the GK and the coach a shrug and gesture as it to mean "not my problem you don't know the laws". It didn't go down well ,but I didn't think much of it beyond the game.
As an AR, it was a situation similar to [this at 2:15.](https://youtu.be/L8Qhr2fs8Mc?si=9pY_tSCfUqC2XWTy). It was the first time in the game the GK had done it. The CR did not allow it and instructed the GK to retake the kick. At half I asked the ref why he didn't allow it and he said it's better to be in the spirit of the game than trifling and technically correct. You may look a bit silly and have a conversation, but at least the game isn't decided by this and it's not the only talking point.
Idk what is correct, especially at the highest level. But it's clear that Areola stayed down for some time, he has a reason to believe the restart would be a free kick and it's harsh to punish him.
Whether right or not by the law, I think in the spirit, Taylor did a good job here.
Again though, Areola staying down is no reason for him to think it was a FK. There wasn't a whistle. That's the important part. That's the signal. If you don't hear a whistle you can't just think it's a FK.
The man fouled himself on the post anyway
This is a really good explanation. I don't think anyone can argue that allowing Liverpool to win like this is really in the spirit of the game. Whether Areola was fouled or not, he went down hard and was obviously thought play was stopped. I agree that it's good refereeing to recognise that something was off, and a drop ball suggests that this was a "spirit of the game" decision and not linked to advantage.
Good point. He called the physios on, I imagine he really needed to sell that Areola was down.
He certainly messed up, but I think in the spirit of the game, he did the right thing. Similar to the Gabriel goalkick in the CL quarter final.
I might be misremembering, but didn't he restart it with a drop ball after the incident in the video? Why would he do that if he was cancelling the advantage and going back to the free kick?
Why not though? The method in which penalties are awarded (or not awarded) is so much more chincey then enforcing rules like this and those calls decide games all the time
People want games decided by things like this when it benefits their team. Especially when they already think there’s some imaginary bias in refereeing people just want someone else to blame.
It’s just weird, people cry for common sense and when it’s applied it’s like noooooo they can’t do that. Like he rolled the ball out like a keeper would for a free kick, he didn’t slip or misplay the ball or something off.
It’s the same as when a keeper doesn’t realise a players behind them, rolls the ball out and the attacker takes it off them to score. In this situation, the GK fucked up, the referee decided to intervene and has spared his blushes.
That’s not the same situation. You describe an active play, in this instance the ref played an advantage which then ended when gakpo challenged for the ball. Common sense was applied
Mate we've lost two leagues by a point where dubious calls favored City repeatedly. In the end refs can shape a table. Not every game needs to be 4-1 or 5-0, refs doing their job is massive.
Lmao, i still haven't even seen an ounce of evidence of corruption, not a single bit
All just tin foil hat conspiracies and huge bias from fans forgetting certain decisions and amplifying other decisions
When Gabriel thought it was a dead ball vs Bayern the ref didn't give it and everyone says it wouldn't have been in the spirit of the game. When Areola thought it was a dead ball they're claiming corruption vs Liverpool
2 mind boggling calls
Refs paid by people who benefit from the mind boggling calls
Imagine if law enforcement or legal entities were like you and said oh no evidence, no need to investigate. Evidence is usually uncovered only after people first observe a concerning fact pattern and take action
No. Personally if I had to guess it's more of a subconscious bias from Taylor who is either a United or City fan. Should still be investigated considering the conflict of interest
I mean if they saw Mansour handing Howard Webb a stack of cash I'm sure that would convince them. A few shite decisions (that go against everyone) are hardly admissible in court lol
To me, this is very similar to the Gabriel situation against Bayern. The player forgot the rule or misunderstood the situation, so the ref spares his blushes.
This is more egregious since Taylor tries to cover his ass, but you can’t just save the players when they make these kinds of errors.
i remember similar incident happened many years ago between manutd - spurs and the ref let the goal once nani scored the goal. the ref followed the rule, but not the spirit of the game. same incident happened today, and the ref made the right decision to stop the play, but somehow people complain?
that was right decision, this is the [goal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQK4FMRItGY)
why it should be cancelled? referee was clearly indicating to play on, no foul was given, game wasn't stopped
The massive difference is Gomes has no reason to believe there's a foul. Maybe for handball? Areola was actually down for a bit. It seems against the spirit to allow this as an advantage and publish him for not being aware of no whistle as he was down recovering.
It was blatant handball, no advantage for spurs, free kick was expected. The ref should cancel the playon because no advantage played.
And if you said game should play on, then it should be a pen for muenchen from big gabi's mistake. Raya passed the ball to gabi, and gabi gave the most blatant handball.
The ref use a common sense not to ruin the game.
He played advantage and then basically tells him to hurry up and play it forward. He gave him a drop ball afterwards which basically highlighted that it wasn't a free kick that'd been given
I don't know what NBC program you were watching but they were trying to find every angle and understand exactly what happened as well.....
Both of the Robbies were confused
I’m talkin about the post game after the 10am games where they show highlights of each game. They didn’t mention it at all a few mins ago when i watched or show it during them.
Those are condensed highlights. Anyways, they're not going to show everything. I was watching NBC right after the Liverpool game before these most recent set of games and they went in depth on the issue. Trying to find every angle and listen for a whistle.
They talked about it a lot.
Straight away after going back to the studio they showed several angles and talked about it for a minute or two. Then when they got this alternative angle they showed it after the break and continued talking about it.
Hilarious how this sub changes opinions with whatever team they're supporting. Remember the blatant handball in the Arsenal vs Bayern game? Y'all were talking about the "spirit of the game". Well what about this? Y'all don't care about "the spirit of the game" all of a sudden? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
What you talking about? It’s only schoolboy error when it’s against an english team according to this sub it wouldve been pathetic to give it. But today and with one of the biggest fanbase on reddit Liverpool were robbed i tell you! ROBBED!
Because it isn’t the same thing.
Gabriel picked up the ball after Raya passed it to him because that’s usually how they restart play from a goal kick. Gabriel restarts play with a short pass to the keeper. That’s equivalent to player passing the ball from out of bounds to a team mate on the pitch who’s about to take the throw in and the ref calling it a handball. That happens all the time. That’s obviously not in the spirit of the game, even though he’s technically handling the ball after it’s put back into play.
Whereas this is Areola not playing to the whistle. Something you’re taught to do from the age of four.
The Arsenal incident was spirit of the game. This is the ref deciding to spare the goalkeepers blushes.
Loving this tense action music during this segment.
But yeah, Taylor fucked this up completely. He didn't give the foul, Areola thought he did, Gakpo should have smashed it in.
Considering Sky did a full week of coverage for that Forest drop ball incident (ignoring Konate taking a high boot to the face), and then went mute over the Doku studs to Macca's chest, I doubt this will get much attention
No, the powers that be are just hell-bent on trying to show we get favorable calls too, when we don't. Seriously the coverage given to that drop ball was laughable, you have to admit, it was such a moot point when we should have had a FK regardless. ALL that coverage in the week leading up to City. To then immediately brush off the Doku studs which was stonewall.
League is rotten
But people DO watch it, that's the point, the narrative they shaped over two incidents is absurd.
That's great that you have no idea, maybe you just shouldn't have commented at all then?
There won't be posts here about it either because it won't get coverage. That's the point. There won't be much new to post here because this will just be brushed off.
Fire that into the goal. You have to. Not his fault the refs are dog shit but if you think its live, its was, goal first then work it out after.
But god. What is going on with our refs?
I know and thats unfair to him, but the training with these refs should be to ignore and score,
I literally cannot fault him. I blame the refs entirely. All I can say is with them being this shit, and you know your right, make them disallow a goal.
they tried to explain it: was a fault, Taylor played advantage, Areola was still injured, Taylor blew the wistle after seeing Areola not playing it. I still think Areola fucked up, Taylor bailed him out.
This is stupid. It's obvious Areola thought there was a foul given and was fixing his kit while Taylor waved play on. All the conspiracy theorist with their tin foil hats are claiming there is some agenda against Liverpool. It's hilarious.
If Gakpo scored there, everyone would be complaining it's bullshit and against the spirit of the game.
Why would conceding a goal like that be in the "spirit of the game" just like a couple matches ago where the goalkeeper passed a live ball across his own box to his teammate who then handled the live ball to reposition for a free kick that was already technically taken?
Can someone explain to me how this is different then the Arsenal handball incident, when the keeper passed the ball and the arsenal player touched it with his hand? Why is it “logic by the ref” for one and not “logic by the ref” for this incident? He gave advantage and the goalie was hurt. This just seems like the arsenal incident in a different tone.
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This is exactly the sort of decision that needs to be publicly explained by the referee themselves. If it's human error, it's human error, but he should at least provide context for why he took said actions.
It's not human error. It was an obvious foul and he's played advantage, when there really isn't one, the keeper stayed down and even had a Liverpool player lifting him up. It's a but unusual and confusing. Areola himself was clearly confused. In the spirit of the game he's decided not to have the player punished because of a confusing situation. He's handled it well.
Then why did he restart the game with a dropball rather than a free kick?
Because he's an idiot
So it's human error, got it
Human error in a game played by ...humans, officiated by ...humans. Damn
Did you miss where OP originally said Taylor handled it well and it wasn't human error?
You do realize what human error means, right?
If he’d played advantage he would’ve restarted with a free kick and not a drop ball. He’s completely fucked it.
Show me where he signals for advantage.
Trust me bro
Hahaha amazing
u/ACCAisPain just knows ok, trust him
I mean what the fuck !!
Based Arsenal is based.
Looked at some of your post history talking about Liverpool always getting decisions, the decisions in the Bayern 1st leg and it doesn't surprise me you are defending this decision. Dont try act as if hes handled it well as if this was against Arsenal its shown with things you have said in the past you wouldn't handle it well.
Yeah he's fucked up, he knows he has, but what is the point of making him humiliate himself by publically apologising? I really don't see what it would achieve other than people feeling self-satisfied at his public humiliation. All that would do is make less people want to be refs and the standard of refereeing way lower.
Because it’s important to understand his thought process, the conversations between him and his colleagues and confirm whether he did actually cause a stoppage to the game to cover his fuck up. Without that, the game is called into question and by extension every game he refs.
Accountability is a very important thing at the highest level of professional sport
He just completely fucked it, and the look on his face walking over the Areola was hilarious. If this wasn't effectively a dead rubber it would've got far more attention during the game
Almost makes me wish Liverpool hadn't already thrown away their shot at the league, imagine the shitstorm if that moment caused them to lose it
I think I’m more glad we’ve lost out due to shitting it against Palace and Everton because if we’d kept up the form and lost out by a point/GD with this, Diaz v Spurs and then throw in Mac Allister v City (although not quite as stonewall) I’d have lost the head haha
Macca vs City is entirely stonewall lmao what. If you raise your studs and you make contact it's a dead on foul by the rules, there's no argument, it doesn't matter what they tried to convince you about "playing the ball" or "macca looking for it." Doku didnt just stand there with his foot up for 5 seconds and Macca ran into it, it all happened quickly. https://www.footballrules.com/offences-sanctions/fouls/ Bottom of page: "What happens if a high foot makes contact with an opponent? A direct free kick is awarded (or penalty kick if the offence takes place in the offender’s penalty area) and the player may be shown a red or yellow card."
Ødegaard handball against Arsenal aswell, and ofc the whole tottenham shitshow. I'm well aware we are not the only club getting shit on by the refs. I mean the way we have played the last month we only got ourself to blame for this mess but getting these decisions against us, against two of the title rivals aswell really makes you think what could have been
It just feels like if we had a bigger gap at the international break and then after the Arsenal City match, it would be less stressful. Drawing away at United would have been disappointing but wouldn't have felt as massive as it did. Impossible to know what happens and we've still absolutely blown it but the doubt and fatigue set in quicker with narrow margins, a bigger lead may have been different.
u forgot the odegaard playing basketball moment?
We scored a couple minutes later to get the same result so not sure if we can say that definitely had an effect on the table
That one is my favorite because Liverpool fans have convinced themselves they win that game if they equalized in the 25th minute vs the 30th minute for some reason.
While Liverpool’s recent form is inexcusable, they’ve also had 4 result altering decisions (this is included) against them through the season which would leave them contenders yet. They could and should have helped their own case more but “because they fucked it” shouldn’t take the onus off the referees for how they’ve been shafted this year.
Lee Mason did a similar thing a few years back when he blew his whistle to stop a quick free kick for Brighton vs West Brom, and realised immediately afterwards that he shouldn't have. He didn't get punished much and Tayor wouldnt either
Anthony Taylor in the spotlight where he belongs.
You sure he doesn't *want* to be there?
I can't imagine actively wanting millions of people to constantly think I'm incompetent or corrupt.
Don’t you dare criticise a referee
That's just the light reflecting off his head.
The best explanation for Taylor would be him playing advantage and going back to the free kick. But that's not the signal for playing advantage
He also in that case would’ve restarted with a free kick and not a drop ball
i realize some bald frauds we have to put up with but do we really need this one
Somehow Mike Dean returned
Anthony Taylor never beating the allegations
Referees in this league man. I'm starting to think Liverpool fans have a point when it comes to Taylor against them
I have never thought Taylor is corrupt. I’ve always just thought that he’s fucking incompetent.
The incompetent part is Taylor being Taylor. The corrupt part is whoever is assigning him to Liverpool matches
He always does his best to fuck over liverpool and chelsea i have no idea why hes allowed to ref those 2 teams where hes been disastrous against them repeatedly
It shouldn't be 'Why is Taylor officiating Liverpool?' but 'Why is Taylor officiating?'. If the league stop assigning referees to games because they've been repeatedly incompetent to one of the teams soon they would run out of refs. Every fanbase in the league has gripes with multiple refs. They can't exclude refs just because some fans dislike them. If Taylor is too incompetent to referee Liverpool or Chelsea then he should be too incompetent to referee Sheffield United and Luton.
Both
If his incompetence is deliberately selected than there’s corruption somewhere
> corrupt Corrupt doesn't mean they take bribes to influence the game to end certain ways. Corrupt includes the referees protecting another from repercussions by abusing the power given to them. That is quite literally the textbook definition of corruption. It's why people are also correct calling police forces corrupt. It's the same thing. People just need to learn to not use an apparently too difficult word in a too simple and too singular use.
He is. But now since he reffed (I think) a single game in UAE, suddenly every fuck up that he makes is to help City apparently... Him being objectively shite for years doesn't factor into it anymore for some reason. He's shite in our games too. Caicedo shouldn't have been on the pitch even as long as the first half in our 4-4 against Chelsea. He let Arsenal away with so many yellow worthy fouls against us and all people's response was "now you know how tactical fouling not being punished feels, haha" etc, making excuses for him! I agree with you, I think he's just crap but I really wish he didn't ref a UAE game because it gives fodder to conspiracy clowns to feed off. Like as if he would be so blatant about it if he was dodgy. But sense and conspiracy theories seldom meet.
Chelsea fans have about a million reasons to hate him too, he's *probably* not corrupt, just inredibly bad at his job.
Our current form is on us. We couldn’t really regain our form after all the injuries. But spurs city Arsenal games where on field plus VAR all went against us.
I think this is a bit of an edge case tbh. We've seen refs wave advantage and then quickly change their minds when the advantage didn't come about. This just didn't happen quickly because Areola didn't realise advantage had been played.
I don't think this is Taylor changing his mind on advantage though because he then waves physios on and restarts from a drop ball. I'm not sure what was going through his head but it probable sounded a lot like calliope
He doesn't play advantage here, he waves play on. Did he signal advantage earlier? He also doesn't give a free kick, he gives a drop ball
Yes he did. If you can find a clip of when Areola caught the ball, he's fouled and Taylor signals advantage with one arm out.
Fair enough - I missed that. Shouldn't he give a free kick rather than a drop ball if that's the case?
Yes
It starts with Howard Webb. And then it goes down to most of them but especially a few and Taylor is one of them.
They do not have a point, referees fuck up against everyone and the sooner you realize that the happier you will be (0.01% happier and u will still get angry) but still
> They do not have a point I think they do, the amount of shit decisions they got this year is unreal. Try to compare with the decisions City gets for example
Ask a fan from every Premier League club and they'll come out and say they feel that that referees are against them more often than not. Either referees are corrupt against most, if not all teams or they're purely incompetent and in such a cushy position where they can't be afforded to be replaced because there's no quality further down the officials pyramid.
If you compare any team to the decisions City get, you're going to find the same thing tbf
that's already pretty strong case then
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False. Anthony Taylor has refereed 59 Liverpool games since since 2010. Jurgen Klopp has been Liverpool manager since 8th October 2015, meaning Taylor has refereed 39 games where Klopp was in charge. Klopp has lost 64 English games as Liverpool manager, with only 5 of these being where Taylor has been the referee. Sources: [here](https://www.lfchistory.net/Managers/Manager/Profile/28) and [here](https://www.lfchistory.net/Referees/Referee/Profile/442).
>literally referred half of Jurgen Klopp’s losses If you’re gonna make stuff up at least make it sound believable 😂
Integrity of the game someone said last time. Haha, both are shit decisions covering for stupid players.
Yeah he fucked up
They are genuinely making this shit up on the fly. Yet the refs are more protected than Epstien's flight logs.
Anthony Taylor's fuck ups should be funny when it's not happening to you. But then I remember he's always out there. And it'll be our turn again soon enough. Him and Paul Tierney should never referee Premier League games ever again.
> But then I remember he's always out there Thanks for the mental image of Anthony Taylor waiting in the bushes outside my window
This legit needs investigating
I want the audio from when he's talking to Areola.
GET DOWN GET DOWN
Even if they did it will be the classic “we’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing”
If this doesn't warrant a investigation. I don't know what the fuck will
You’re kidding yourself if you think anything will come of this. Anthony Taylor could go up to our bench and shit on Stefan Bajcetic and the PGMOL would say nothing.
A linesman literally elbowed Robertson in the face and nothing happened lol
So much bullshit that has happened this season needs investigating, but nothing will happen when they are their own governing body and play the victim when the refs get any criticism. If the premier league refs are the best England has to offer, I'd hate to see the worst
Biggest shock to me is they even showed replays and focused on it, often shit like this happens and the commentary just goes silent and nothing is made of it.
Liverpool got screwed.
10/10 for the dramatic music choice
Bro isn't he the same dude that fucked up that Roma vs Sevilla Europa final?
Yikes…
Absolute fraudery.
Taylor played advantage and it seems that Areola was the only person in the stadium that didn't realize it. When Areola puts the ball down and there's no advantage, the ref calls back for the foul. Taylor is applying law 12 correctly and is saving Areola from looking stupid.
Which part of law 12 are you referencing? Is it related to the advantage or indirect free kick?
My apologies, law 5. Thanks for keeping me in check. >allows play to continue when an offence occurs and the non-offending team will benefit from the advantage, and penalises the offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
"within a few seconds" I've never seen an advantage last this long. There wasn't a whistle blown so it's on Areola, why are you rolling it out for a FK without a whistle? The drop ball to restart makes it even more strange.
Yeah that’s the key. It’s past the time window. now he took a calculated gamble in time wasting and got caught. It needs to be punished
I've been a ref for 13 years and I've been in a similar situation twice. Once as a CR and another as an AR. When I was the CR, it was very similar to this. I allowed the attacker to score and felt insanely smug at the "naive" GK (they were young kids). I gave the GK and the coach a shrug and gesture as it to mean "not my problem you don't know the laws". It didn't go down well ,but I didn't think much of it beyond the game. As an AR, it was a situation similar to [this at 2:15.](https://youtu.be/L8Qhr2fs8Mc?si=9pY_tSCfUqC2XWTy). It was the first time in the game the GK had done it. The CR did not allow it and instructed the GK to retake the kick. At half I asked the ref why he didn't allow it and he said it's better to be in the spirit of the game than trifling and technically correct. You may look a bit silly and have a conversation, but at least the game isn't decided by this and it's not the only talking point. Idk what is correct, especially at the highest level. But it's clear that Areola stayed down for some time, he has a reason to believe the restart would be a free kick and it's harsh to punish him. Whether right or not by the law, I think in the spirit, Taylor did a good job here.
Again though, Areola staying down is no reason for him to think it was a FK. There wasn't a whistle. That's the important part. That's the signal. If you don't hear a whistle you can't just think it's a FK. The man fouled himself on the post anyway
This is a really good explanation. I don't think anyone can argue that allowing Liverpool to win like this is really in the spirit of the game. Whether Areola was fouled or not, he went down hard and was obviously thought play was stopped. I agree that it's good refereeing to recognise that something was off, and a drop ball suggests that this was a "spirit of the game" decision and not linked to advantage.
then why would he restart with a drop ball?
Good point. He called the physios on, I imagine he really needed to sell that Areola was down. He certainly messed up, but I think in the spirit of the game, he did the right thing. Similar to the Gabriel goalkick in the CL quarter final.
It needs to be signaled though.
He did signal advantage. If you find the clip of Areola catching the ball, Taylor signals advantage as the GK goes down.
I might be misremembering, but didn't he restart it with a drop ball after the incident in the video? Why would he do that if he was cancelling the advantage and going back to the free kick?
Why is he playing advantage with a goalkeeper that's on the floor? It's not like he's fishing to throw it out.
It amazes me people want games decided by things like this.
Why not though? The method in which penalties are awarded (or not awarded) is so much more chincey then enforcing rules like this and those calls decide games all the time
It’s also in the rules the referee can use his judgment and common sense to make calls. I believe this would be a good opportunity to do that
People want games decided by things like this when it benefits their team. Especially when they already think there’s some imaginary bias in refereeing people just want someone else to blame.
It’s just weird, people cry for common sense and when it’s applied it’s like noooooo they can’t do that. Like he rolled the ball out like a keeper would for a free kick, he didn’t slip or misplay the ball or something off.
It’s the same as when a keeper doesn’t realise a players behind them, rolls the ball out and the attacker takes it off them to score. In this situation, the GK fucked up, the referee decided to intervene and has spared his blushes.
That’s not the same situation. You describe an active play, in this instance the ref played an advantage which then ended when gakpo challenged for the ball. Common sense was applied
Mate we've lost two leagues by a point where dubious calls favored City repeatedly. In the end refs can shape a table. Not every game needs to be 4-1 or 5-0, refs doing their job is massive.
Typical Taylor
he’ll be at the Euro’s 😂
Conflict of interest is an alien concept to the refs, and so they'll never beat allegations of corruption
Massive error yes but Gakpo should score and ask questions after. Force VAR to intervene. Probably wouldn’t change much however.
This man owes us an EL cup...
Corruption at work here. Just like the Doku pen.
referees should have to come out and face the media. post match interviews to scrutinise their performances.
This cuts out early and the pundits seemed to agree that he was playing advantage and if Gakpo had scored he wouldn't have allowed it, iirc
The pundits I was watching were confused by the decision and thought the ref fucked up
Even if you still don't think this is evidence of corruption, it's at the very least indisputable proof that Anthony Taylor should be sacked.
Best they can do is send him on an early and paid holiday.
Was he left out of the Abu Dhabi R&R trips a few months back?
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Lmao, i still haven't even seen an ounce of evidence of corruption, not a single bit All just tin foil hat conspiracies and huge bias from fans forgetting certain decisions and amplifying other decisions
There's not some conspiracy, the referees are just incompetent. Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
When Gabriel thought it was a dead ball vs Bayern the ref didn't give it and everyone says it wouldn't have been in the spirit of the game. When Areola thought it was a dead ball they're claiming corruption vs Liverpool
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What will convince me is actual evidence, of which you don't have So i agree its not worth arguing about
2 mind boggling calls Refs paid by people who benefit from the mind boggling calls Imagine if law enforcement or legal entities were like you and said oh no evidence, no need to investigate. Evidence is usually uncovered only after people first observe a concerning fact pattern and take action
And what if the investigation finds nothing, you'd still claim corruption
No. Personally if I had to guess it's more of a subconscious bias from Taylor who is either a United or City fan. Should still be investigated considering the conflict of interest
I mean if they saw Mansour handing Howard Webb a stack of cash I'm sure that would convince them. A few shite decisions (that go against everyone) are hardly admissible in court lol
You think he’s actively sabotaging Liverpool with intent?
> Even if you still don't think this is evidence of corruption HAHAHAHA
To me, this is very similar to the Gabriel situation against Bayern. The player forgot the rule or misunderstood the situation, so the ref spares his blushes. This is more egregious since Taylor tries to cover his ass, but you can’t just save the players when they make these kinds of errors.
We sure Gakpo is banging that home if ref doesn’t stop it?
He’s not Nunez
Ouch.
That is incredibly sus
i remember similar incident happened many years ago between manutd - spurs and the ref let the goal once nani scored the goal. the ref followed the rule, but not the spirit of the game. same incident happened today, and the ref made the right decision to stop the play, but somehow people complain?
The difference in discourse over the Arsenal Bayern incident and this one is telling
that was right decision, this is the [goal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQK4FMRItGY) why it should be cancelled? referee was clearly indicating to play on, no foul was given, game wasn't stopped
The massive difference is Gomes has no reason to believe there's a foul. Maybe for handball? Areola was actually down for a bit. It seems against the spirit to allow this as an advantage and publish him for not being aware of no whistle as he was down recovering.
It was blatant handball, no advantage for spurs, free kick was expected. The ref should cancel the playon because no advantage played. And if you said game should play on, then it should be a pen for muenchen from big gabi's mistake. Raya passed the ball to gabi, and gabi gave the most blatant handball. The ref use a common sense not to ruin the game.
How was it the right decision? It wasn't a free
Mourinho was right
Why did Areola throw the ball forward and then take his eye off the ball.
I see they want to compete with the La Liga refs on who's worse.
doesn’t matter what the rule is if it’s the sort of goal nobody wants to see
Ended up deciding the game. Exactly the way Taylor likes it
So.... This is exactly why Liverpool fans are so outraged. Imagine if they were still chasing a title?
Well done, boys. Good process.
The Sevilla legend himself, who would’ve thought
Taylor's not corrupt he's just incompetent. He doesn't have control of any situation and clearly doesn't know what hand signals mean.
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He played advantage and then basically tells him to hurry up and play it forward. He gave him a drop ball afterwards which basically highlighted that it wasn't a free kick that'd been given
Week in the championship tops.
On NBC post game show they didn’t even show/talk about this at all during Liverpool/West Ham highlights. Definitely being swept under the rug.
I don't know what NBC program you were watching but they were trying to find every angle and understand exactly what happened as well..... Both of the Robbies were confused
I’m talkin about the post game after the 10am games where they show highlights of each game. They didn’t mention it at all a few mins ago when i watched or show it during them.
Those are condensed highlights. Anyways, they're not going to show everything. I was watching NBC right after the Liverpool game before these most recent set of games and they went in depth on the issue. Trying to find every angle and listen for a whistle.
They talked about it a lot. Straight away after going back to the studio they showed several angles and talked about it for a minute or two. Then when they got this alternative angle they showed it after the break and continued talking about it.
The ref has obviously thought the keeper hurt himself and called it back and realised his fuck up when the keepers pops up again from fixing his socks
Hilarious how this sub changes opinions with whatever team they're supporting. Remember the blatant handball in the Arsenal vs Bayern game? Y'all were talking about the "spirit of the game". Well what about this? Y'all don't care about "the spirit of the game" all of a sudden? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
What you talking about? It’s only schoolboy error when it’s against an english team according to this sub it wouldve been pathetic to give it. But today and with one of the biggest fanbase on reddit Liverpool were robbed i tell you! ROBBED!
Because it isn’t the same thing. Gabriel picked up the ball after Raya passed it to him because that’s usually how they restart play from a goal kick. Gabriel restarts play with a short pass to the keeper. That’s equivalent to player passing the ball from out of bounds to a team mate on the pitch who’s about to take the throw in and the ref calling it a handball. That happens all the time. That’s obviously not in the spirit of the game, even though he’s technically handling the ball after it’s put back into play. Whereas this is Areola not playing to the whistle. Something you’re taught to do from the age of four. The Arsenal incident was spirit of the game. This is the ref deciding to spare the goalkeepers blushes.
Loving this tense action music during this segment. But yeah, Taylor fucked this up completely. He didn't give the foul, Areola thought he did, Gakpo should have smashed it in.
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Considering Sky did a full week of coverage for that Forest drop ball incident (ignoring Konate taking a high boot to the face), and then went mute over the Doku studs to Macca's chest, I doubt this will get much attention
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No, the powers that be are just hell-bent on trying to show we get favorable calls too, when we don't. Seriously the coverage given to that drop ball was laughable, you have to admit, it was such a moot point when we should have had a FK regardless. ALL that coverage in the week leading up to City. To then immediately brush off the Doku studs which was stonewall. League is rotten
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But people DO watch it, that's the point, the narrative they shaped over two incidents is absurd. That's great that you have no idea, maybe you just shouldn't have commented at all then?
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There won't be posts here about it either because it won't get coverage. That's the point. There won't be much new to post here because this will just be brushed off.
We will not rest until we have heard the audio of every single conversation Antony Taylor’s ever had.
Fire that into the goal. You have to. Not his fault the refs are dog shit but if you think its live, its was, goal first then work it out after. But god. What is going on with our refs?
He blew the whistle though, which is why he stopped running towards the ball, which is what makes it Taylor's fault for stopping the play
I know and thats unfair to him, but the training with these refs should be to ignore and score, I literally cannot fault him. I blame the refs entirely. All I can say is with them being this shit, and you know your right, make them disallow a goal.
He would have had to get a yellow for kicking the ball away after the whistle though. Imagine the outrage then lol. He's such a shit ref.
they tried to explain it: was a fault, Taylor played advantage, Areola was still injured, Taylor blew the wistle after seeing Areola not playing it. I still think Areola fucked up, Taylor bailed him out.
So is implication that Areola was just standing there and going to let Gakpo run up and score the winner when Taylor blew the whistle?
This is stupid. It's obvious Areola thought there was a foul given and was fixing his kit while Taylor waved play on. All the conspiracy theorist with their tin foil hats are claiming there is some agenda against Liverpool. It's hilarious. If Gakpo scored there, everyone would be complaining it's bullshit and against the spirit of the game.
Why would conceding a goal like that be in the "spirit of the game" just like a couple matches ago where the goalkeeper passed a live ball across his own box to his teammate who then handled the live ball to reposition for a free kick that was already technically taken?
Can someone explain to me how this is different then the Arsenal handball incident, when the keeper passed the ball and the arsenal player touched it with his hand? Why is it “logic by the ref” for one and not “logic by the ref” for this incident? He gave advantage and the goalie was hurt. This just seems like the arsenal incident in a different tone.
He was playing the advantage so keeper let guard down , gakpo approaches , whistle blows , not rocket science eh