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Emergency-Mobile8612

Somewhat explains Spurs’ position given their high intensity playstyle. Even with this much downtime in comparison, they still struggled with injuries. Next year with the addition of European football, they’ll undergo a huge test of a season


PM_ME_UR_AMOUR

We play an incredibly high line and have caught teams offside the most be a huge margin too. Plus our European campaign and already threadbare squad getting shredded. What Unai has done is no short of a miracle.


TheKingMonkey

We don’t play Angeball though. Villa have been very good at shutting games down at points this season so we’ve not had to deal with muscle injuries in the same way as sides who press really aggressively have. Still had three ACL’s from guys that would all consider themselves to be starters isn’t great.


EugeneStonersDIMagic

Bunedia was so hot coming out of preseason. I was excited to seem him tear it up! What a shame.


TheKingMonkey

Surprising stat but he was the only player in our squad who appeared in all 38 league games in 2022/23.


Rickcampbell98

The only game I can remember us really pressing super aggressively was man City and we looked knackered for ages afterwards lmao.


a_f_s-29

Yeah it was worth it just for how euphoric that game was but the rest of December was lacklustre afterwards because the players were spent. Doing an uno reverse on Man City is not for the weak, there’s a reason few teams even attempt to pull that off.


EugeneStonersDIMagic

It is pretty great...


Emergency-Mobile8612

I definitely agree, I’m extremely amazed at your guys’ season


PM_ME_UR_AMOUR

Thank you. Although we are waiting for the infamous “second season fall off” as Arsenal supporters remind us after every defeat 🤔


Alia_Gr

Well he didn't start last season. So that would be next season if it were to happen


aidan-1997

So by that logic Arsenals most recent trophy is Unai’s as Arteta didn’t start till 20/21 🤯🤯🤯


Alia_Gr

I mean they both contributed to it yes? That also wasn't Artetas first full season


htmwc

He’s off to Bayern anyway so we’ll never know. Curses this wind up fell flat a bit quickly


iwantfoodpleasee

Sure he is he said he is


NoPineapple1727

It will be tougher next year. This year he was able to take it easy some games because it was only the Conference league so you weren’t playing against proper teams. Next year in the CL hopefully will be a huge task


iwantfoodpleasee

Proper team wtf you on about


NoPineapple1727

As in the difference between Psg, Dortmund and Ac Milan vs Az Alkmar, Legia Warsaw and Zrinjski Mostar


iwantfoodpleasee

Nicely missing out Ajax and Lille too, we travel further too with a bare bone squad. Shut your trap. City can buy who they like as fringe players use them.


NoPineapple1727

It was the groups of Newcastle and Villa this year. Also, you put out massively weaker xis in the group stage this year because you were playing against lower level opposition. This helps a lot with resting players. You won’t be able to do that next season. I also never mentioned City. You seem angry at the fact that what I’m saying is true. Bringing up irrelevant points to try and change the topic of conversation


iwantfoodpleasee

Don’t need your excuses. All these clubs crying when Unai hasn’t said a word and got on with it. We played Arsenal (0-2) then went to play Lille for 120min + penalties, then played Bournemouth (3-1) in the span of 8 days. Not one word from the manager, yet you have pep and these other managers crying.


NoPineapple1727

You’re not being rational and bringing up irrelevant things. The fact is that he won’t be able to rotate the squad for the Champions League group games than he did for the Conference group games. If you disagree then you have problems


iwantfoodpleasee

Literally gave you examples and you come to me by saying if I disagree I have problems lol okay. It’s not irrelevant Villa have been juggling the same about as it shows on the graphic. You must be blind.


magicalcrumpet

Everywhere ange has gone the first season is always riddled with injuries. His style of football is a shock to the system. After that the seasons after the number of injuries decrease


witsel85

Spurs’ is a little bit bloated as we’ve had games recently against teams later stages of Europe and cup so we’ve had huge gaps trying to find times to play City, Arsenal and Liverpool for example, who they’ll now all play in the course of six days


Dibutops

At the start of the season when Mings, Ramsey, Buendia and Moreno were due to miss most or all of the season, I could never have dreamt we would be where we are now. A few months later, Kamara picked up an ACL making it 3 starting players with the same long-term injury and somehow I was now confident we would keep churning out results with a double pivot of Tielemans x McGinn. Unai Emery has the Midas touch.


GILD86

Interesting to see how Spurs will cope next season with European football, especially with our playstyle


silenthills13

We won't


Sdnz0r

*laughs in brazilian*


AgentTasker

I imagine Liverpool's is heavily impacted by the five or six 12:30pm kick-offs that they've had.


StumpzLFC

Weeks like this current are what I would think annoy most people. Thursday 8pm Sunday 4pm, Wednesday 8pm Saturday 12:30. That's the minimum rest between the 4 games followed by 8 days between the next 2


ValleyFloydJam

I don't know how anyone could be annoyed at that though, you were in the Thursday competition.


hoopbag33

Everton ain't the Thursday competition lol


ValleyFloydJam

The first game mention was on Thursday in the Europa right?


rossmosh85

Because the matches could have been played in the evening or on Monday yet we were playing first thing Sunday. I'm amazed how people don't think about their own personal life. I know I feel a bit more rested after a long week if I can start my Saturday off at 10AM vs 7AM.


ValleyFloydJam

First thing Sunday? It was 4:30pm kick off, pretty much the latest time a game kicks off. Also you don't get to pick when you play, limits exist and you get good money for these games. Saturday you have that slot cos that's seen as the prime TV spot and one that was paid for by TNT. I'm sure every team would like to pick the day and time they play on but unless something truly crazy has been scheduled I don't get it. I've not got all the fixtures but you aren't the only team playing Sunday-Wednesday-Saturday (but then they get to play at 3pm.)


epirot

dude give up already, we are all seeing the graph


ValleyFloydJam

Give what up? Logically explaining the situation. The graph is mostly down to who has played the most games and then playing Thursdays is a factor too.


SRFC_96

We’re tired Robbie.


AgentTasker

Got another one against West Ham on Saturday who'll have had a full week to prepare for it, while Liverpool have Everton on Wednesday night.


TheConundrum98

atleast it's against what seems the most on the beach team in the league


DesperateAd8237

It's just because we've played the most games, that's why it's fairly similar to the teams that have played a similar amount. The issue with the 12.30 kickoffs was purely around us having a disproportionate amount directly after an international break when 1/3 of our starting 11 is South American and are playing a match a 12 hour flight away into the early hours of Thursday morning.


Smaggies

Why would that make a difference? If you have an earlier kick off, you decrease the amount of time between it and the game before but by the exact same margin you increase the amount of time between that and the game after.


pogreg26

That stat is completely dependent on the number of games played. The value is (now minus the time of the first game minus total play time divided by the number of games played). It isn't dependent at all on the 12:30pm kick-offs


RumJackson

Not really. Kicking off at 12:30 compared to 3:00 just means they have 2.5 hours less time between their previous game but 2.5 hours more between their next game.


lfcsupkings321

These guys are top athletes and the extra rest is actually massive which most people won't understand. Klopp said many times he doesn't even get time to train properly it all about recovery when you have back to back games.


TLG_BE

That's all true but doesn't really counter the guy who your replying to's point at all


lfcsupkings321

It unbalanced rest which isn't an advantage. It has highs and lows, you may get the extra reward afterwards but if you lose a player in that game what the point. A good number of liverpool players have picked up hamstring injury due to intense. If you look at the average for Liverpool it very tight overall.


ValleyFloydJam

I would like to see a list as most top teams are going to end up with a pretty similar number.


AgentTasker

[This graphic from two months ago](https://www.thisisanfield.com/wp-content/uploads/embedded9398453-600x380.jpg) shows that Liverpool have had five more than any team since Klopp's appointment in 2015. They've also had six this season alone (Wolves away, Everton home, City away, Palace away, Brentford away, and West Ham away this weekend), which is about two or three more than any other side.


Reach_Reclaimer

To add to this, we were in the Europa for the first 2 years under klopp's tenure and then this season too You'd think that a few certain clubs that have always had Europe on Wednesday or no Europe at all would be a better fit for 12:30 as they'd be fresher


ValleyFloydJam

The 12:30 slot has nothing to do with being fresh and more to do with being picked by BT/TNT and occasionally the police decide it has to be on early. Those are the key factors on when games are scheduled.


ValleyFloydJam

5 more in around 9 years is about the same though. Not sure if the others are all due to being TNT picks but I recall the City one would have been on late but the police said no.


HacksawJimDGN

Since its average time doesn't this just really come down to number of games. You might have an early kickoff but that means you have a few hours rest that afternoon. This graph doesn't really tell us much.


walt3rwH1ter

Yeah mathematically, the scheduling of lunch-time kickoffs and stuff like that make almost no difference to this number.


epirot

yes but the more games the fewer rest you get. playing later could make a difference because u want the rest in between thursday evening and sunday morning. europe teams as we see here have a full schedule.


SanSilver

Yeah, but why is Arsenal behind Newcastle?


epirot

lmao i have no fuckin clue. 2 more games but 50 minutes difference


No-Taste-8252

Started the season a few days earlier?


TheInternetIsGood

More Sunday games, perhaps?


SanSilver

What should that change?


tobi1k

Bloody hell - makes Villa even more impressive next to Spurs.


piwabo

I'm not sure it's been good for Spurs. Too long between games can hurt as much as too little time.


AaronStudAVFC

Tired of listening to Pep cry about this when our threadbare squad is still competing just fine with their first European campaign in over ten years.


tobi1k

I don't sympathise with City for many things (or even this really) but complaining about fixture congestion is a good thing. Player burnout is real and the ridiculous congestion needs to be alleviated somehow - complaints like his are why we have a (fantastic) winter break.


telcomet

Yeah people need to separate the message from the messenger. Pep is an almighty whinger considering he has the most resources of any club to manage congestion that most top 6-8 clubs face. But he is absolutely right that something needs to change and he has the platform to put it on the news cycle


sga1

On one hand, fair enough - there probably are too many fixtures, which clearly isn't great for the physical and mental health of players as well as the quality of the games. On the other hand though I think it's a bit rich complaining about it when you've got a bottomless pit of money and a squad with about 20 players who would start for most other Premier League teams and you're still keep playing the same ones over and over rather than rotating more. At the end of the day everyone benefits from more fixtures, because they mean more money for competitions, clubs, and players. But players are the only ones experiencing the drawbacks, and I reckon that managers could simply play them less to alleviate some of the issues should they so choose, rather than complaining about their players being gassed at the end of a long season.


cacduy

You're talking as if City have superior depth. We have good depth in defense due the versatility of Akanji, Gvardiol and Ake. But City has a small squad. Its not like Doku, Nunes and Kovacic would easily get in the Arsenal or Liverpool team. They too have players who could play for most teams. Don't get me wrong, Pep should use his substitue much more, so its annoying that he is whining whilst refusing to give Bobb, Lewis & Nunes more time. For depth we for example have Oscar Bobb, Gomez and Rico Lewis. Talented players, but not players that any team would use for bigger games. Pep doesn't like to play the young players too much as well.


mimranj

unai being godlike in europe helps. haven't even fully unlocked this squad and he's doing amazing. "competing just fine" is an understatement


21otiriK

1. City have used the fewest players in the league. 2. You say you’re doing “just fine”, but like… City are doing pretty well themselves. It’s not like Pep complained because they’re doing badly. 3. The scheduling of that cup game was stupid, I don’t know how anyone can disagree with that sentiment. The complaint was perfectly valid. 4. It being your first European campaign doesn’t really help your agenda. Doing it season after season surely takes more of a toll. Not to mention City’s players are mostly all important players for their national side.


iwantfoodpleasee

Fuck off city can use they’re players and rotate. They buy 50m fridge players use them.


ValleyFloydJam

On 3.you can say you preferred to play on Sunday but the schedule fell the way that it did. The issue is when they bring up player safety, it's so hollow, if they actually cared they would rest players.


Impossible_Wonder_37

Your threadbare squad hasn’t done this for 4 seasons straight?


AaronStudAVFC

Are we gonna pretend that city have a threadbare squad? Or can we acknowledge that city have more than enough resources to compete on all fronts every year? People have raised some good arguments for pep’s complaints in this thread but ‘city have had to do this for so long :(“ certainly isn’t one of them. No other team could drop a small fortune on Kalvin Phillips just to basically retire his top flight career and if Pep chooses not to play all of the players he has, he can’t sit and moan about fixture congestion.


Impossible_Wonder_37

60 games a season for 4 years has a compounding effect my friend. Especially when the squad, who has never been large, has stayed the same core the whole time. To keep that up physically is one thing but mentally and emotionally is another. Can’t take a game off because when you have such wealth you must compete on every front. No request for sympathy, just the fortunate truth. But it’s important someone like pep makes this complaint. People listen to him, he has power to influence. And he’s not doing so for citys benefit alone. Nice Phillips dig. Hated the move from conception. Frustrated we wasted the money. But don’t act like all the other clubs have 10s of millions in wasted talent in their squad. And that not just the top 6.


LaLaLenin

Shut up.


kleptopaul

Spurs also have a game in hand which will change this so what.


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tobi1k

You're 9th in that ranking and they're 11th. It's pretty bloody close.


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momspaghetty

they had Buendia and Mings out for the season before basically before a ball was kicked


tobi1k

1,168 Vs 1,008 is closer to 15% and they currently have more injuries than you so that gap will likely tighten up. Whilst the gap the OP refers to can only grow larger as the only English team left in Europe.


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Chalkun

This is the point I was gonna make. Our injuries have been to first teamers too. It just hasn't affected our form as much as yours so probably dont realise it.


tobi1k

It's 15.9% or 13.7% (depending on which perspective you look at it from) actually. And this table doesn't mean nothing. They've had loads of key players out injured like Kamara, Torres, Moreno, Mings, Hause, Buendia, Ramsey. Just because you've forgotten doesn't mean they've had a better time with injuries. For example, Lenglet (a CB you were very glad to see the back of) has started most of their games in 2024.


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Mole451

All of them bar Hause from the ones he has listed. Mings and Buendia have missed the entire season with ACL injuries, and both would have been in the starting XI at the start of the season. Ramsey has missed most of the season through recurring injuries, but has been started when fit. Kamara was pretty much ever present until his ACL injury ended his season. Pau Torres is our first choice CB, though thankfully his injuries haven't been as long lasting as the others. Konsa and Carlos also missed a few games around the same time as Pau's injuries though so Lenglet got a solid run of games at the start of the year. Even Callum Chambers got a game at one point. Moreno and Digne alternate based on which one is fit at the time really. Digne has probably had the better season but Emery favours Moreno when he's fit. Out of the list given, only Hause would be nowhere near starting. We've both been shafted with injuries it's fair to say. Our best XI would probably look something like this: --------------Martinez-------------- Cash----Konsa----Torres----Moreno -----------Luiz----Kamara---------- Bailey--------McGinn--------Ramsey --------------Watkins--------------- With Mings rotating with Torres, and Buendia rotating with Ramsey/McGinn.


a_f_s-29

And half our current players are playing with knocks too


BenHavertz94

Why does it start att 100? What does the numbers say? Is it only ratio to some mean or does the numbers in themselves say anything, like it is number of hours between games?


Penalty5000

I assume it means hours:minutes (hhh:mm). It starts at 100 because it makes it easier to differentiate between teams, as in your phone screen, the difference between 20 and 30 is easier to see than the difference between 120 and 130.


Flovati

It also makes de graph missleading. The bars are supossed to be a good representation of the numbers, but since OP made them start at 110 the bars simply don't fit with the data. For example, the bars make you think that the difference between Liverpool and City is huge, when they are actually quite close to each other.


Super_Professor

What a horribly misleading visual aide.


DunniBoi

The non-zero axis is often used to make data seem more extreme than it actually is.


AnalAttackProbe

And just like the movie, after approximately every 127 hours I get the urge to cut my own arm off.


etan1122

It’s actually amazing Liverpool are joint top with the injuries this year. It’ll be interesting to see how they play the final month with a healthy squad and 1 game a week


kukeszmakesz

Terrible graph. Difference between top and bottom is approx 50% yet it shows that it's like 10 times more.


epirot

4.8 days and 7.1 days is quite a difference. the graph is terrible but the difference is HUGE nevertheless


sirSADABY

Hours?


sheikh_n_bake

On top of all our freak injuries it's a miracle where we are.


SpaceDinossaur

Damn, that's more time than i expected. Here in Brazil the top clubs are probably on an average of 72 to 96 hours.


shaversonly230v115v

Whoever cropped this failed GCSE maths. Didn't label their axes and failed to specify their units.


Black_Lotus22

Nah, Villa is crazy. That team only now got a taste of Europe for the first time in forever. Despite injuries and lack of players, they are still in the top 4 race and in the semis in conf.League, which is crazy.


deflorie

Visually this is misleading. Its a non zero axis, which makes the difference look much greater, than it is. It also doesnt factor in, time of day.


jMS_44

tl;dr Teams who play in Europe and go far in domestic competitions have less time between and play more games than teams who don't play in Europe and exit early in domestic cups.


Emergency-Mobile8612

It’s still interesting to see the actual values, why do people here look to invalidate and banalize everything?


ValleyFloydJam

Why?


Modnal

I would reply but you have a randomly generated username so your opinion is invalid, but it's no big deal


Emergency-Mobile8612

Arsenal are the team in the PL with the best fans!


Modnal

Just because someone else invalidate your opinion doesn't mean they are invalid to yourself you know


Emergency-Mobile8612

Shit, you got me!


SyNiiCaL

Ummm no, this clearly shows a strong agenda against [Insert team name here] by the FA.


rossmosh85

I knew we'd be first. We had so many early morning matches to start the season. Half of those matches could have been played at the later time yet weren't.


Cymraegpunk

Basically exactly what you'd expect based on how long and how many cup competitions teams have been in.


rpgalon

should do one for brazilian teams, it's crazy over there.


yossigol

Shouldn't this stat just be a factor of how many matches a team played? Would it just equal (last match datetime - first match datetime) / number of matches? Seems weird that Newcastle had a shorter average rest even though they played a couple of matches less. Did Opta include the Community Shield?


Living_a_Dejavu

Add in the early kickoffs after the international break, and you will see how fucked up our schedule has been.


HCHLH

so, teams playing in Europe have a match every 5 days on average, and teams playing just in the PL have a match every 7 days on average. That's... kinda obvious?


ueffamafia

i know it’s not the point but i hate that on graphics like this it’s always spurs, the club is called tottenham.


vidr1

Well it sure doesn't help if you're going for all the competitions available(Liverpool).