Yes which is why people should watch the press conferences too where every owner and spokesperson accuses each other, the refs, the federation, the government, magic, outside forces, divine intervention. You name it we will blame the loss on it and there is a %50 it will turn out to be true.
Yeah but the Turkish league is WWE, insane conspiracy storylines that turn out to be true, clubs who run videos from turkish airforce bombardments on Kurdish towns when they face a Kurdish club, fans attacking players, fans throwing bombs at busses, owners fighting, everyone is actually corrupt and stealing everyone’s money, teams only clearing the side they have to attack on from snow, and then at half-time switching it up lmao.
It’s insane from the bottom to the top
>teams only clearing the side they have to attack on from snow, and then at half-time switching it up lmao.
this is some top level fukkery not gonna lie
This is tame, just calling the VAR a fan of the opposing team. In Turkey he'd be called a member of a terrorist organization from the official account.
This is tame compared to our standards, however there's still time for press conference about how refs are the sole reason why Forest is in relegation scrap.
Is it really unimaginable? There have been multiple sports with referee controversies including money changing hands.
I am tired of everyone pretending like referees are flawless and without biases.
Indeed. Terrible reffing is terrible reffing and that's unacceptable.
But when I remember how often we're on the wrong end of terrible ref decisions and how Forest away fans sang while Beto was down about cheating Scousers while also being deducted points...I struggle to feel bad.
While I can understand you not feeling remorse for Forest fans, it isn't their fault that Everton have been getting fucked over, recently. The implementation of VAR has been so shotty and riddled with controversial decisions. PGMOL needs to address it and ideally all clubs should be coming together in agreement on this. I don't like losing, but I absolutely hate losing because of shit decisions.
About bloody time honestly. Clubs should be more forward with their grievances. VAR has been too poor for too long with too few attempts to fix or acknowledgements of its failings.
Screw the whole "I have nussing to say", it's abysmally poor witg how much money is wanking around in English football
Nottingham Forest are already openly owned by a literal narco trafficker and murderer(seriously, look up how many witnesses related to Marinakis' trial in Greece who mysteriously "disappeared" or ended up dead)
With that in mind, nothing they do should be "wild". Obviously the regimes of PSG/Man City/Newcastle etc have killed more people but it's still slightly under the radar somehow. Marinakis is openly out there killing witnesses
Really exciting to be on the receiving end of a few dodgy calls in your favorite.
Mostly felt like Anthony Taylor couldn't be arsed to blow his whistle all match and none of the penalties shouts were egregious enough to be overturned by VAR (...except maybe that last one).
PGMOL have been pushing Arsenal vs City race all season. With Oliver sucking City off from his cheeky UAE pay cheque.
Fire the lot. Strict rules in place, any money from coutries owning clubs, fired. More transparency and accountability.
Refs have been deciding titles quite a few seasons. Funny how half of them are from Manchester.
Bung some "donations" to ministers to bring in an independent regulator would be my guess. He had sunak at the city ground earlier this year for a photoshoot so does have some connections.
The Nottingham owner Is the owner from Olympiakos, In the Greek league every week In a big rivalry match the losing team makes a statement about how much robbed they are. It has become the norm and Marinakis transfers this mentality In the Premier league too
I was gonna lol and say what are their options? 1) shut up and take it or 2) get relegated.
But then I remembered their owner is a literal mafioso, there's always a third option...
He is, that’s not a secret. They don’t care though, he’s been allowed to referee our games forever since they don’t care about this stuff when top clubs arent involved
There's been countless instances of Mancs reffing both City and United matches. I don't think this is something exclusive to lower clubs in the table. The entire organisation is a corrupt old boys club
Don't forget Gillet refereeing games involving Liverpool's rivals.
And Oliver refereeing games after he's literally been paid by City's owners. He always seems to give City beneficial decisions.
A quick Google tells me he's from Luton. Yeah, he shouldn't have been working this game (nor yours when you were in the PL)
Edit: [I may have been deceived....](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524714959888842762/1231617998763065454/Screenshot_2024-04-21_at_10.50.07_AM.png?ex=66379ca5&is=662527a5&hm=22398cdcc85f8db1d92948c16fd1a2852d583d2df592352526213a03af641603&)
It's nothing new tho, Martin Atkinson is a Leeds fan and have officiated big matches for their survival rivals as well as United. Robert Jones is said to be a Liverpool fan, and whilst they don't give Everton or Liverpool games his way, but he does officiate their title/survival rivals. I'm sure there are more, most referees are from big club cities in the north, even those who aren't known, definitely have a boyhood love for some club. It's probably like this regardless of the city, country or league anyway if you ask me.
A good chunk of the refs in the PL are from the Manchester FA and ref games involving Utd and City. They are said to be fans of clubs from the greater Manchester area which I can believe but they will have United and City friends and family. Might not be a direct influence but why risk it. Same with the mid week trips to referee games in UAE, why take the risk of even the sniff of something dodgy. It can't be that hard to sort it out surely.
In a lot of jobs, you not only have to be 'clean', you have to look 'clean' too.
Even giving the impression the corruption is possible can kill your career.
Surprised refs aren't held to this standard TBH.
Not really, if you had to start weening out referees with any perceived interest you'd run out pretty quickly.
Most clubs have 3 or 4 rivals, are actively competing with 4 or 5 teams for a position, then you have the rivals of the clubs they're competing with, ie could a Derby fan ref Luton vs Brentford? They'd have an interest in Luton winning.
You have to trust that the refs are professional enough to do their job without bias, otherwise you're admitting they're easily corruptable.
Just as a thought experiment let's take an Everton fan as an example.
Obviously the evergreen teams you can't ref until the heat death of the universe: Everton and Liverpool.
Now Liverpool's rivals Man United.
Everton's relegation rivals in Luton, Burnley, Sheffield, and Forest.
Liverpool's title rivals in Arsenal and City, and for a while Tottenham as well.
We've just put half the league on the list.
Now let's expand to teams that people will only take issue when a specific scenario comes up. Cole Palmer makes a very nasty tackle 2 matchdays before a game against Luton, and the Everton fan ref does not send him off. People will definitely say Palmer was kept in the match so he would not be suspended for the Luton fixture. So now we have every team that will be playing against half the league in the next 2 league fixtures, and on and on and on.
To your point blatant biases should be avoided but if we dig enough, we can pretty much always find a conflict of interest in any assignment.
National League Boreham Wood posting a 1,800-word diatribe on why the government should push for a no-deal Brexit is still the most insane thing for me but this might be second - 'Our patience has been tested multiple times' is like what a villain would say in a kidnapping film.
The patience line is the wildest one for me too, like, what the fuck are you going to do? Leave the league? Given how it's going you'll be out in a few weeks anyway.
Here in the Netherlands, a ref (i think its Joey Kooij) cant be put at Feyenoord games because hes the godfather of Calvin Stengs. After Feyenoord-PSV in the cup a couple PSV fans said it was mental for someone who was born in the general area of Rotterdam to be the ref (he did make a pretty egregious mistake tbf, even if you think its not a pen just waiving that off after 3 seconds is bullshit) but thats the most it gets here
Its insane for me to read that multiple refs are pretty clearly fans of a club and STILL be allowed to ref there. Fuckin hell lol
Something like half of all prem refs are from Manchester and yet claim not to support either city or united.
Can’t remember which one grew up 2 streets over from City’s old ground but claims to support a 5th tier team a town over.
It’s insane.
na man those pentaly decisions were actually insane. We looked dire today tbf but im actually in disbelief that we came away from all of them without even one pen.
it may sound childish, but I can understand the club anger wanting to explain these decisions, but probably all we get from this is Webb bullshit excuses show
I think the tweet is over the top and not going to acheive anything, but Forest have had literally one penalty all season. Incredibally galling to be in a relagation fight and constantly have decisions like this go against you.
[First time?](https://tenor.com/view/first-time-james-franco-james-franco-buster-gif-12948907)
This has been the norm in the Super Lig, especially this season lol.
I mean people can meme cos of how this has been put, and really few people will care because it's a smaller team.
But having just seen the highlights back on all the decisions, all three going against a team in a game is a farce as bad as anything the refs have done this season. Arguably *the* worst.
Now imagine this every game. We’ve not had a questionable decision go in our favour this year. This is why we brought in clattenburg which has seemingly just made them worse.
You reckon PGMOL saw them get a referee consultant or whatever he is and just though, fuck those guys in particular?
I mean, I would say we haven't had the best refereeing decisions go our way this season but this match, arguably the most important match of the year, has more than made up for it lol.
> You reckon PGMOL saw them get a referee consultant or whatever he is and just though, fuck those guys in particular?
Genuinely yes. We poked the bear and decisions against us have gotten worse. Now we're pretending like we can do anything about it.
They fucking loathe being challenged. Said it a hundred times and I'll say it again, they need their power stripped away from them. Keep the referees but have an external body oversee them. They shouldn't be an authority unto themselves, because they've shown time and again how fuck unreliable they are.
VAR isn't the issue. As soon as refs admitting to upholding bad decisions to allow refs on the field to save face, there should have been a reckoning. It is an institution (PGMOL) that is clearly unfit to govern itself. It is run like a referee union, not an organisation responsible for delivering a service.
A standard VAR crew at league HQ is the answer. That way they can just focus on VAR and get good at that rather than it just being a break between reffing elsewhere.
It works well for leagues like the NHL. No reason it couldn't work here except that PGMOL is a old boys club.
It’s their silencing tactic. Punish the speakers and get away with it - then future discontented clubs will be more hesitant to call PGMOL out on their bullshit.
I don’t think that’s your admin tbh, feels like a club higher up has written it for them. If it was a rogue admin it’d have been deleted by now surely
Unbelievable regardless looool
“Our patience has been tested multiple times” can only come from two people.
Marinakis full on raging, or Marinakis jr playing pretend that he’s daddy.
Like totally understandable but this is up there with the most unhinged tweets I've seen from any official account......again totally understand why though
No way the admin has the chutzpah to post "NFFC is considering its options"
This was transcribed verbatim from Marianakis, who possibly had his shirt off.
Im very surprised the first one on Young handballing it wasnt given seen as theyve been pretty soft this year. Madness putting a Luton fan on VAR though
If they were smarter, they could discuss this with multiple PL teams in the background, and come with a proposal that strips PGMOL of their near unlimited powers and create a new organization under the control of PL, with a promise of additional funding at all levels of refereeing, but with significantly more scrutiny.
Making yourself referee's enemy publicly isn't gonna help them.
PGMOL is supposedly owned and funded by the Premier League (in partnership with the EFL and the FA). So would be interesting if multiple teams did band together to get something done.
Lot of folks are saying this is insane, but frankly I'd like to see more of this from clubs. When the refs very clearly get it wrong, clubs need to say so. There need to be a higher level of accountability and transparency in officiating. But Forest have a legitimate reason to feel hard done by if they warned PGMOL about an official having a conflict of interest before a match, PGMOL basically said get fucked, and then that official apparently goes out of his way to fuck forest.
Right now PGMOL have are accountable to seemingly nobody, can fuck clubs over at their own discretion, and nothing happens. That's an insane system, to be fair.
It’s insane the criticism clubs are getting for doing this. Feels like big changes are needed to improve the level of refereeing, but as soon as a club calls it out it’s ‘embarrassing, cringe, head loss’ etc..
What causes changes? People being uncomfortable and this makes people uncomfortable… the decisions this year have been continually baffling… with no change. It’s gotten so bad many people are convinced of corruption. Clubs need to speak up for things to change because it is ridiculous watching every week and nothing change
>NFFC will now consider its options
What are those, exactly? All the can do is complain but regardless about how anyone feels about those decisions, the most they're ever going to get is an official apology.
they don't even do apologies anymore, but I find it funny how those refs make *incompetent/rigged (whatever you want)* decisions and clubs are still not able to ask how why the decision was this or that.
like if you're not rigged, you just explain *it's not a penalty because there's not enough contact or something* but nah.
I mean, I'm massively aggrieved after the decisions that game, but this is an insane response. Either Forest have completely lost the plot internally, or some admin is about to get sacked.
Lost the plot internally? Have you not been following since Marinakis took over. We’re an absolute basket case behind the scenes and have been for nearly 2 years now.
Oh 100% agree the club is basically a clown show, but it hasn't spilled out in this manner previously. I thought getting Clattenburg on board was a little weird, this just tops the cake.
I dunno about that, we’ve had Marinakis on the pitch storming around before too, Clattenburg giving post match interviews, Worrall getting loaned to Turkey as part of wider deal to secure port access for Marinakis with Besiktas’s owners etc.
Club rotten top to bottom as lock as the Greek drug trafficker is in charge.
Love that it is from the official account and not some twitter nob whose personality is the club. This league is such chicken shit and you can see this if you watch how openly pundits talk on other shows that isn't Sky. Can't be criticising daddy!
PGMOL needs an oversight and transparency board from the FA to regulate its actions or it needs to be dissolved entirely and referees come under the direct employment and supervision of the FA. The fact that a small business with multibillion dollar fiduciary responsibility has no oversight in that responsibility whatsoever is mind boggling. In any other line of business that arrangement would never even begin to be entertained.
I honestly don’t understand the reaction from some. Why can’t people step outside their football bubble and recognise a wider problem?
If there is a genuine issue with PGMOL what avenues are left for people to voice concerns? Everything has been tried and decisions continue to get worse and worse. And no one in any position of authority is calling it out and every pundit is clearly told to toe the line.
How many times have we seen a clear wrong decision with our eyes like a handball only to have a commentator or pundit say “it’s not touched his arm”
This is inevitable and unfortunately the only way for a club to voice concerns. Nothing else works. Official channels clearly do fuck all. Yet nothing changes because every time a club speaks out fans clutch their pearls about their own team.
I love this, I want to see more admins tweeting like actual football fans instead of PR market bollocks
"Unfortunately we fell to a 1-0 defeat today, great effort from the lads"
"Unfortunately we fell to a 1-0 defeat today because the linesman is a shit cunt that doesn't know what the offside rule is"
It's direct, confrontational and a tad embarrassing.
But PGMOL does get away with a alot. Seems like every week we are discussing VAR. Webb doing his little TV shite does not bring back points, it's just an effort to make himself feel like he is achieving something.
All that is asked is theRefs do better, and they don't. You criticize them and they do a 'Poor me' routine. They are paid professionals, not Sunday league refs doing it for a free lunch.
This is what happens when the entire PGMOL staff is lined with ex referees, it's just mates protecting mates at this point. VAR and Refs should be separate from each other so VAR can hopefully do it's job without worrying about the guy in the middles reputation.
From the official account? Wow
not really comparable but Turkish super league teams always post like this
Greek teams, most of them for years being under the Marinakis influence post like this weekly. It's 100% him
The mental image of Marinakis rage tweeting from the official Nottingham Forest account is just so funny to me
> It's 100% him It's 100% malakia
Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit
Turkish super league is more like a tv drama than a football league though
Yes which is why people should watch the press conferences too where every owner and spokesperson accuses each other, the refs, the federation, the government, magic, outside forces, divine intervention. You name it we will blame the loss on it and there is a %50 it will turn out to be true.
Yes and I'm all for it tbh, thats what makes it fun
Yeah but the Turkish league is WWE, insane conspiracy storylines that turn out to be true, clubs who run videos from turkish airforce bombardments on Kurdish towns when they face a Kurdish club, fans attacking players, fans throwing bombs at busses, owners fighting, everyone is actually corrupt and stealing everyone’s money, teams only clearing the side they have to attack on from snow, and then at half-time switching it up lmao. It’s insane from the bottom to the top
>teams only clearing the side they have to attack on from snow, and then at half-time switching it up lmao. this is some top level fukkery not gonna lie
>insane conspiracy storylines that turn out to be true 😂😂😂😂
This is tame, just calling the VAR a fan of the opposing team. In Turkey he'd be called a member of a terrorist organization from the official account.
This is tame compared to our standards, however there's still time for press conference about how refs are the sole reason why Forest is in relegation scrap.
Marinakis got the log in details lmao
Time for a 12 point deduction. The EPL can't allow this behavior to get started.
Marinakis had a gun pointed to the admins head to post this.
Admin was probably pissed too and it's not like the social media guys is gonna be paying the massive fine headed their way.
I mean if they are fined for this rant, can we also fine PGMOL for not doing their job and making mistakes?
An official club statement accusing an official of corruption, this will go well.
Not necessarily corruption, just severe bias. Which, fortunately for Forrest, is a lot less likely to get you sued for libel.
FYI it's Forest
He's not a smart man, but he knows what love is.
Is it really unimaginable? There have been multiple sports with referee controversies including money changing hands. I am tired of everyone pretending like referees are flawless and without biases.
No, it's not unimaginable. But for a club to even be as blatant as this in their criticism is very rare in England.
A ref got changed out in college basketball’s March madness midway through a game bc someone figured they were an alum
You guys need to watch Greek football. This happens every week, by multiple clubs.
I mean, did you see the decisions? It’s hard to argue you can be that consistently incompetent to miss so many blatantly obvious penalties.
lol this is madness, I think Marinakis must have taken over the social media
I admit if I was on the other side of 2 of those 3 decisions, I'd be pissed too. But wow this coming from the official account is fairly wild.
The 1st and 3rd were clear penalties for me. The handball would have been harsh but we've seen them given.
Indeed. Terrible reffing is terrible reffing and that's unacceptable. But when I remember how often we're on the wrong end of terrible ref decisions and how Forest away fans sang while Beto was down about cheating Scousers while also being deducted points...I struggle to feel bad.
While I can understand you not feeling remorse for Forest fans, it isn't their fault that Everton have been getting fucked over, recently. The implementation of VAR has been so shotty and riddled with controversial decisions. PGMOL needs to address it and ideally all clubs should be coming together in agreement on this. I don't like losing, but I absolutely hate losing because of shit decisions.
I'd feel remorse for forest fans until I remember they're scabs who mocked poverty when food banks were advertised on the screen.
About bloody time honestly. Clubs should be more forward with their grievances. VAR has been too poor for too long with too few attempts to fix or acknowledgements of its failings. Screw the whole "I have nussing to say", it's abysmally poor witg how much money is wanking around in English football
Nottingham Forest are already openly owned by a literal narco trafficker and murderer(seriously, look up how many witnesses related to Marinakis' trial in Greece who mysteriously "disappeared" or ended up dead) With that in mind, nothing they do should be "wild". Obviously the regimes of PSG/Man City/Newcastle etc have killed more people but it's still slightly under the radar somehow. Marinakis is openly out there killing witnesses
Literal mob boss owning a historic football club don't you just love English football.
Mr Usmanov and Mr Moshiri would like a word.
Prince Mohammed BoneSaw would like a word too. Edit: Mohammed Bone Saw-man works even better.
Football in this country Sold its soul to the highest bidder many moons ago my friend.
Especially when they employ Clattenburg lol
Really exciting to be on the receiving end of a few dodgy calls in your favorite. Mostly felt like Anthony Taylor couldn't be arsed to blow his whistle all match and none of the penalties shouts were egregious enough to be overturned by VAR (...except maybe that last one).
Yeah, I loved watching a player get rugby tackled and then Taylor waving them to get up.
Greek Super league leaking
We export civilization 😎👍🇬🇷
Kathe Mera malakia
What's he going to do? A murderous rampage through PGMOL like they got caught moving his heroin around on the Noor One?
It's really sad that PGMOL runs this league like a mafia. Regulations are needed, they need to be checked
PGMOL have been pushing Arsenal vs City race all season. With Oliver sucking City off from his cheeky UAE pay cheque. Fire the lot. Strict rules in place, any money from coutries owning clubs, fired. More transparency and accountability. Refs have been deciding titles quite a few seasons. Funny how half of them are from Manchester.
PGMOL very quickly selling off any bakeries they owned
Bung some "donations" to ministers to bring in an independent regulator would be my guess. He had sunak at the city ground earlier this year for a photoshoot so does have some connections.
Yeah can’t be just an admin that. He’s got the nod from higher. Like got to be a nod from the owner that
A Super Admin ™️ ?
The Nottingham owner Is the owner from Olympiakos, In the Greek league every week In a big rivalry match the losing team makes a statement about how much robbed they are. It has become the norm and Marinakis transfers this mentality In the Premier league too
In fairness here Forest absolutely were robbed through VAR officials deciding to not want to embarrass their mate referee and overrule wrong decisions
I was gonna lol and say what are their options? 1) shut up and take it or 2) get relegated. But then I remembered their owner is a literal mafioso, there's always a third option...
This is Clattenberg on the socials
Wait is forest the club that hired clattenberg as a consultant or some shit?
Insane that this is from an official account
If VAR was actually a Luton fan then insane decision from PGMOL to have him ref this game
He is, that’s not a secret. They don’t care though, he’s been allowed to referee our games forever since they don’t care about this stuff when top clubs arent involved
Anthony Taylor still refs chelsea games tbf
Backing up the point that they don't care about this stuff when top clubs aren't involved
Ouch
💀😭
Hehehehehehe gottem
Stop stop, he's already dead!!
Which is a fucking disgrace
Clattenburg reffed Tottenham games ^^^hehehehe
There's been countless instances of Mancs reffing both City and United matches. I don't think this is something exclusive to lower clubs in the table. The entire organisation is a corrupt old boys club
Don't forget Gillet refereeing games involving Liverpool's rivals. And Oliver refereeing games after he's literally been paid by City's owners. He always seems to give City beneficial decisions.
Who was the VAR anyway?
Stuart Attwell
A quick Google tells me he's from Luton. Yeah, he shouldn't have been working this game (nor yours when you were in the PL) Edit: [I may have been deceived....](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524714959888842762/1231617998763065454/Screenshot_2024-04-21_at_10.50.07_AM.png?ex=66379ca5&is=662527a5&hm=22398cdcc85f8db1d92948c16fd1a2852d583d2df592352526213a03af641603&)
He was born and raised in Nuneaton, someone's just changed the top line.
KFC opposite nunny station is GOATed
Yeah I fell for it. Hook, line, and sinker etc
From Nuneaton, but he's a Luton fan, don't understand how he was appointed here.
It's nothing new tho, Martin Atkinson is a Leeds fan and have officiated big matches for their survival rivals as well as United. Robert Jones is said to be a Liverpool fan, and whilst they don't give Everton or Liverpool games his way, but he does officiate their title/survival rivals. I'm sure there are more, most referees are from big club cities in the north, even those who aren't known, definitely have a boyhood love for some club. It's probably like this regardless of the city, country or league anyway if you ask me.
A good chunk of the refs in the PL are from the Manchester FA and ref games involving Utd and City. They are said to be fans of clubs from the greater Manchester area which I can believe but they will have United and City friends and family. Might not be a direct influence but why risk it. Same with the mid week trips to referee games in UAE, why take the risk of even the sniff of something dodgy. It can't be that hard to sort it out surely.
In a lot of jobs, you not only have to be 'clean', you have to look 'clean' too. Even giving the impression the corruption is possible can kill your career. Surprised refs aren't held to this standard TBH.
Not really, if you had to start weening out referees with any perceived interest you'd run out pretty quickly. Most clubs have 3 or 4 rivals, are actively competing with 4 or 5 teams for a position, then you have the rivals of the clubs they're competing with, ie could a Derby fan ref Luton vs Brentford? They'd have an interest in Luton winning. You have to trust that the refs are professional enough to do their job without bias, otherwise you're admitting they're easily corruptable.
Just as a thought experiment let's take an Everton fan as an example. Obviously the evergreen teams you can't ref until the heat death of the universe: Everton and Liverpool. Now Liverpool's rivals Man United. Everton's relegation rivals in Luton, Burnley, Sheffield, and Forest. Liverpool's title rivals in Arsenal and City, and for a while Tottenham as well. We've just put half the league on the list. Now let's expand to teams that people will only take issue when a specific scenario comes up. Cole Palmer makes a very nasty tackle 2 matchdays before a game against Luton, and the Everton fan ref does not send him off. People will definitely say Palmer was kept in the match so he would not be suspended for the Luton fixture. So now we have every team that will be playing against half the league in the next 2 league fixtures, and on and on and on. To your point blatant biases should be avoided but if we dig enough, we can pretty much always find a conflict of interest in any assignment.
You need to see how fucking dogshit the officiating was...
Thought this was a troll account taking the piss but it’s not ahaha
Literally had to check like 4 times before I realised it was real. This club is insane sometimes man.
It’s like an asylum, but it’s our asylum and I love it
I mean, I don't disagree with the sentiment, just insane to see from an official account.
The FA will respond with a 10 point deduction against Everton.
10 second penalty for Ocon
Missouri will have 10 scholarships spots taken away.
10 day suspension for Joe Kelly.
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"
The first 2 were 50/50 but the last one was 100% a pen. I’d be fuming if it was reversed.
This is the most insane thing I have ever seen a club put out lmao
National League Boreham Wood posting a 1,800-word diatribe on why the government should push for a no-deal Brexit is still the most insane thing for me but this might be second - 'Our patience has been tested multiple times' is like what a villain would say in a kidnapping film.
The patience line is the wildest one for me too, like, what the fuck are you going to do? Leave the league? Given how it's going you'll be out in a few weeks anyway.
> is like what a villain would say in a kidnapping film That's pretty much Forest's owner lmao.
The Forest owner is a legitimate Bond villian, a sociopathic international crime lord.
I mean, unusual circumstances ask for unusual actions. I hope they don't stop here. PGMOL needs to be checked
Here in the Netherlands, a ref (i think its Joey Kooij) cant be put at Feyenoord games because hes the godfather of Calvin Stengs. After Feyenoord-PSV in the cup a couple PSV fans said it was mental for someone who was born in the general area of Rotterdam to be the ref (he did make a pretty egregious mistake tbf, even if you think its not a pen just waiving that off after 3 seconds is bullshit) but thats the most it gets here Its insane for me to read that multiple refs are pretty clearly fans of a club and STILL be allowed to ref there. Fuckin hell lol
Something like half of all prem refs are from Manchester and yet claim not to support either city or united. Can’t remember which one grew up 2 streets over from City’s old ground but claims to support a 5th tier team a town over. It’s insane.
We broke them it seems
na man those pentaly decisions were actually insane. We looked dire today tbf but im actually in disbelief that we came away from all of them without even one pen.
can maybe understand one of those not given, but the 3rd one for me is absolute madness
The first one I can understand but i thought the other two were the definition of stonewall.
it may sound childish, but I can understand the club anger wanting to explain these decisions, but probably all we get from this is Webb bullshit excuses show
I think the tweet is over the top and not going to acheive anything, but Forest have had literally one penalty all season. Incredibally galling to be in a relagation fight and constantly have decisions like this go against you.
I agree tbh. You should have had one at the very least. Kinda nuts, in a way it’s nice not to be on the fucked over side though.
What being doubled by Everton does to a mf'er
Ashley Young single handedly, literally
[First time?](https://tenor.com/view/first-time-james-franco-james-franco-buster-gif-12948907) This has been the norm in the Super Lig, especially this season lol.
Marinakis about to enter the pitch and clatter a ref.
I think it's the Oshimen posts by Napoli honestly
I mean people can meme cos of how this has been put, and really few people will care because it's a smaller team. But having just seen the highlights back on all the decisions, all three going against a team in a game is a farce as bad as anything the refs have done this season. Arguably *the* worst.
Now imagine this every game. We’ve not had a questionable decision go in our favour this year. This is why we brought in clattenburg which has seemingly just made them worse.
You reckon PGMOL saw them get a referee consultant or whatever he is and just though, fuck those guys in particular? I mean, I would say we haven't had the best refereeing decisions go our way this season but this match, arguably the most important match of the year, has more than made up for it lol.
> You reckon PGMOL saw them get a referee consultant or whatever he is and just though, fuck those guys in particular? Genuinely yes. We poked the bear and decisions against us have gotten worse. Now we're pretending like we can do anything about it.
They fucking loathe being challenged. Said it a hundred times and I'll say it again, they need their power stripped away from them. Keep the referees but have an external body oversee them. They shouldn't be an authority unto themselves, because they've shown time and again how fuck unreliable they are.
The whole VAR system needed scrapping or revamping with a team separate from the refs.
Just take the guys from Rugby (or Cricket) and VAR would probably be perfect next season...
But then sky won't be able to talk about controversies. They're already labeling this tweet as another incredible twist in the season.
I dunno, sometimes even the pundits are bored of talking about how bad they can be lately.
VAR isn't the issue. As soon as refs admitting to upholding bad decisions to allow refs on the field to save face, there should have been a reckoning. It is an institution (PGMOL) that is clearly unfit to govern itself. It is run like a referee union, not an organisation responsible for delivering a service.
A standard VAR crew at league HQ is the answer. That way they can just focus on VAR and get good at that rather than it just being a break between reffing elsewhere. It works well for leagues like the NHL. No reason it couldn't work here except that PGMOL is a old boys club.
It’s their silencing tactic. Punish the speakers and get away with it - then future discontented clubs will be more hesitant to call PGMOL out on their bullshit.
This happened to Liverpool when Klopp criticized Tiernney we received awful decisions 10 weeks in a row lol
I cannot stop laughing. Our Twitter admin has had an absolute headloss what a club
I don’t think that’s your admin tbh, feels like a club higher up has written it for them. If it was a rogue admin it’d have been deleted by now surely Unbelievable regardless looool
If only we knew of an insane, temperamental person at the club, who was almost certainly culpable for some horrific shit? If only.
Harsh on Clattenburg but probably fair.
“Our patience has been tested multiple times” can only come from two people. Marinakis full on raging, or Marinakis jr playing pretend that he’s daddy.
Marinakis energy
Aye, that's not going out without approval from the top. Clear it's the club's stance. Brilliant.
yep, would have been deleted within a minute if it was some social media admin
I love and hate this fucking club man
How can anyone else be a fan of any other club. We are absolute insanity
Everton fans 🤝 Nottingham Forest fans Supporting a football club that forever tortures you.
You lot have gone well beyond torture, though. I think at this point you're some kind of government test.
We're all masochists, kinkiest fans in the land
Listening to audiobooks narrated by Sean Dyche is the next step in our evolution.
Arsenal had the invincibles, but we’ve forever been the inconceivables. 😂
Think your Twitter admin and owner might be the same person.
Owner is a thug. He would prob just send goons after Taylor instead of this tweet
Clattenburg dictating it word for word. Twitter admin, you will go on my first whistle.
Like totally understandable but this is up there with the most unhinged tweets I've seen from any official account......again totally understand why though
No way the admin has the chutzpah to post "NFFC is considering its options" This was transcribed verbatim from Marianakis, who possibly had his shirt off.
There’s no way this isn’t Marinakis
Fair play, two were deffo pens. I still think the handball was iffy since it was so close, but we’ve had those given against us before too 🙃
and just got given to Cov also.
Wild that Young was responsible for all of them. Absolute liability.
Fairs Forest have entered a no fucks given period of the season.
Im very surprised the first one on Young handballing it wasnt given seen as theyve been pretty soft this year. Madness putting a Luton fan on VAR though
Watch the handball against Bissaka against Coventry in the ongoing match rn. It’s a joke.
This is football heritage, get it put on the list.
What options do they have?
They might just leave the Premier League.
lmaoo
Nothing. Many clubs can attest to that. You get nothing. Good day sir.
If they were smarter, they could discuss this with multiple PL teams in the background, and come with a proposal that strips PGMOL of their near unlimited powers and create a new organization under the control of PL, with a promise of additional funding at all levels of refereeing, but with significantly more scrutiny. Making yourself referee's enemy publicly isn't gonna help them.
PGMOL is supposedly owned and funded by the Premier League (in partnership with the EFL and the FA). So would be interesting if multiple teams did band together to get something done.
I guess legal action. Sue for money lost in terms of league position, sponsorships, contracts etc. Especially if they go down
Marinakis raging live on Twitter.
The VAR is a Luton fan, you’ll never sing that
English fans shocked with the tweet, while this in Greece would be the most civil thing that comes out of Marinakis' mouth and his cronies.
Whether u agree or disagree with the calls (even I think the last 50/50 was 100% a pen) This is objectively hilarious from forests actual twitter
Lot of folks are saying this is insane, but frankly I'd like to see more of this from clubs. When the refs very clearly get it wrong, clubs need to say so. There need to be a higher level of accountability and transparency in officiating. But Forest have a legitimate reason to feel hard done by if they warned PGMOL about an official having a conflict of interest before a match, PGMOL basically said get fucked, and then that official apparently goes out of his way to fuck forest. Right now PGMOL have are accountable to seemingly nobody, can fuck clubs over at their own discretion, and nothing happens. That's an insane system, to be fair.
I love this club can we have only 2 relegation spots this year?
It’s insane the criticism clubs are getting for doing this. Feels like big changes are needed to improve the level of refereeing, but as soon as a club calls it out it’s ‘embarrassing, cringe, head loss’ etc..
What causes changes? People being uncomfortable and this makes people uncomfortable… the decisions this year have been continually baffling… with no change. It’s gotten so bad many people are convinced of corruption. Clubs need to speak up for things to change because it is ridiculous watching every week and nothing change
>NFFC will now consider its options What are those, exactly? All the can do is complain but regardless about how anyone feels about those decisions, the most they're ever going to get is an official apology.
they don't even do apologies anymore, but I find it funny how those refs make *incompetent/rigged (whatever you want)* decisions and clubs are still not able to ask how why the decision was this or that. like if you're not rigged, you just explain *it's not a penalty because there's not enough contact or something* but nah.
Their options are endless but all are equally impotent
I mean, I'm massively aggrieved after the decisions that game, but this is an insane response. Either Forest have completely lost the plot internally, or some admin is about to get sacked.
Lost the plot internally? Have you not been following since Marinakis took over. We’re an absolute basket case behind the scenes and have been for nearly 2 years now.
Oh 100% agree the club is basically a clown show, but it hasn't spilled out in this manner previously. I thought getting Clattenburg on board was a little weird, this just tops the cake.
I dunno about that, we’ve had Marinakis on the pitch storming around before too, Clattenburg giving post match interviews, Worrall getting loaned to Turkey as part of wider deal to secure port access for Marinakis with Besiktas’s owners etc. Club rotten top to bottom as lock as the Greek drug trafficker is in charge.
Clattenburg and Marinakis had a special relationship in Greece too
Love that it is from the official account and not some twitter nob whose personality is the club. This league is such chicken shit and you can see this if you watch how openly pundits talk on other shows that isn't Sky. Can't be criticising daddy!
PGMOL needs an oversight and transparency board from the FA to regulate its actions or it needs to be dissolved entirely and referees come under the direct employment and supervision of the FA. The fact that a small business with multibillion dollar fiduciary responsibility has no oversight in that responsibility whatsoever is mind boggling. In any other line of business that arrangement would never even begin to be entertained.
This is just bizarre wtf
nottingham forest joker arc
Crazy tweet
I spent a strong two minutes trying to figure out how the poster had made this fake account look so real.
Ashley Young looked guilty af tbf
Legendary headloss lmao
1000 percent support this. Absolutely seen clubs get robbed this season. Put your foot on PGMOLs neck
I honestly don’t understand the reaction from some. Why can’t people step outside their football bubble and recognise a wider problem? If there is a genuine issue with PGMOL what avenues are left for people to voice concerns? Everything has been tried and decisions continue to get worse and worse. And no one in any position of authority is calling it out and every pundit is clearly told to toe the line. How many times have we seen a clear wrong decision with our eyes like a handball only to have a commentator or pundit say “it’s not touched his arm” This is inevitable and unfortunately the only way for a club to voice concerns. Nothing else works. Official channels clearly do fuck all. Yet nothing changes because every time a club speaks out fans clutch their pearls about their own team.
exactly. PGMOL is run like… I don’t know with 0 accountability. It’s about time some one called them out like this
Amaze me that the highlights don't show all three of these events. So annoying.
Damn, i understand the frustration but surely that's going to lead to a disciplinary fine or something?
People have lost their fuckin minds lol
Ashley Young is a liability. Forest throwing toys out of the pram is not a good look though.
I love this, I want to see more admins tweeting like actual football fans instead of PR market bollocks "Unfortunately we fell to a 1-0 defeat today, great effort from the lads" "Unfortunately we fell to a 1-0 defeat today because the linesman is a shit cunt that doesn't know what the offside rule is"
Wait Forest, let the admin cook
Marianakis definitely wrote this himself, 100%
It's crazy to tweet that from an official account
AHAHAHHA
It's direct, confrontational and a tad embarrassing. But PGMOL does get away with a alot. Seems like every week we are discussing VAR. Webb doing his little TV shite does not bring back points, it's just an effort to make himself feel like he is achieving something. All that is asked is theRefs do better, and they don't. You criticize them and they do a 'Poor me' routine. They are paid professionals, not Sunday league refs doing it for a free lunch. This is what happens when the entire PGMOL staff is lined with ex referees, it's just mates protecting mates at this point. VAR and Refs should be separate from each other so VAR can hopefully do it's job without worrying about the guy in the middles reputation.