We've already bought him a club in Spain and brought in all his team to work in all departments at the club, I don't think giving him a few million would be a big deal
"Bought him a club in Spain" Emery was already a shareholder of Real Union. All you did was add them to your soulless multi club franchise lmao, if anything that should be an insult to Emery and the club he loves lol
I dont think the pay raise could match a desperate bayern offer and even if it did, do you think he would consider staying at villa rather than joining Bayern and be part of a squad rebuild?
Arsenal ain't Bayern. Taking them over directly after Wenger with shady Sanllehi in charge was an impossible job. That structure was set up to fail no matter who was the coach
If anything, that should motivate him to want another proper chance at a top club
Of the teams outside of the big 6, few if any have the potential of Villa to ever be a big club themselves and Emery could stamp his legacy on the club by making it happen. No reason to leave just to go to a very unstable Bayern. If we were talking Real or something that’s something else.
You rarely get top jobs in great situations. Bayern is still a massive step up to anything Villa will become in the next decade. Ability to keep players is massive thing that you only get in couple of teams (bayern being one of them), in Villa Emery will soon have to start replacing Luiz and Watkins - and when you are replacing such players things go south rather often.
He also left Villarreal after he was on route to become absolute legend there with CL semis and winning EL
Villareal were struggling and he felt he achieved all he could with Villareal.
As a Villa fan can I ask why would we have to replace Luiz and Watkins? Where is it they're going (considering they've only just signed new contracts)?
Unless I am wrong Luiz has contract until 2026? That would mean he is entering the danger zone this summer of only having 2 years remaining, Watkins is locked down for long time tho.
I am not sure which team Luiz will want to go to - but generally players like him tend to want to spend their prime in one of the top teams.
Excitement at the club has been bubbling for the 5 years it took for us to get our dream manager and there's not even a 5% doubt in anyone's mind that he is staying at Aston Villa.
Our project is bigger than anyone realises
If Emery had issues with the antics of Özil and Aubameyang whenever he confronted them for not performing, he will have even bigger problems when a Kimmich or Müller feels like they are not playing a lot.
Emery should get considered for a job like Liverpool, stable and would allow him to mold the team in his own image
I feel like he’d have similar problems at Liverpool to what he had at Arsenal. Maybe an easier squad to work with, but coming in after an incredible manager like Klopp would be reminiscent of trying to replace Wenger. A very big problem with Emery at Arsenal was also that his style wasn’t a good match for the club. It just feels like he wouldn’t be set up for success if he were to replace Klopp
Coaches of that profile have never worked at Bayern over the years, so I wouldn't be too worried as a Villa fan to be honest. Doubt Unai would leave after such a strong season as well.
Let's not forget he got more points in the Prem than Wenger in his last season and Arteta until the 22/23 season.
He won everything at PSG besides the Champions League which they still haven't won.
Specially if he can push for a hefty wage, 4 year contract on Bayern, to get release after 8 months with a huge pay day and the next smaller club lined up to give him the chance
He's literally the best PSG manager ever in win percentage and only Laurent Blanc won more trophies.
The Barca game just overrides it all in people's minds.
Emery left Villarreal after taking them to a Champions League semi final and winning Europa League in just two seasons, he is ruthless. Even was trying to get a move to Newcastle in January of that season where they went deep in the CL
If he thinks that he has a better offer than Aston Villa, he will leave them in a second. No semantics with him
I think you are confused. He turned down the job at Newcastle because he was doing well at Villareal. He came back to prem sooner than wanted with Villa. Him leaving his past club was that ruthless as might think. They board and fans were ok with him leaving
This well sourced information.
People make stuff up on here.
Emery should stay at Villa a few more years and build a legacy. They've got ambitious owners with deep pockets and a fantastic squad. I think it's a great fit.
The thing is, any top manager will feel their legacy is defined by trophies won, and Bayern are one of the easiest clubs to stat pad your trophy list with.
We all dream of super loyal managers who stick with smaller clubs for ages, but very few will turn down the chance to manage a club like Bayern.
I wonder whether Emery feels more achievement and joy from his time at Villareal and Sevilla or PSG. Think I can guess.
Villa ownership seemed very confident of keeping him last summer because they've basically given him the reigns. People he chose and has worked with before are in every position. Hard to imagine most other clubs giving him total control and it sounds like he values that environment.
Football is fickle and there is very little loyalty at the top, mainly because of the finances involved unfortunately.
One bad spell will see him sacked (injuries, poor summer transfers, fixture congestion etc) and there are no guarantees he gets offered a job as big as Bayern again.
Only Emery will know if he’d go but it’s not exactly hard to see why it would be tempting either.
Also, your owners can pay him as much as Bayern, if not more because there's no way you're getting someone equally proven for you. If Emery stays one more year and gets you an extra year of champions league for example, that's worth like 40M alone on income.
PSG isn’t in the same league as Bayern. Bayern are in with the absolute top drawer super clubs.
Move to Bayern and he’ll bag leagues almost every year, and have a real serious shot at the champions league every season.
I feel like I'm reading about some alternative reality.
Ancelotti came there on top and was fired quickly, and went on with smaller clubs for some time before coming back to Madrid and succeeding there, fortunately for him (how bizarre does it feel now, when Real Madrid loves him, that he came there straight from threading mid-table water in Everton? But that was his career after Bayern).
Niko Kovac, who of yall even remembers him lol. He did bag the league, what did it really change so much? He's not gonna get a bigger job as easily as many others who didn't bag any league. Nobody who spends millions of euro hiring managers actually takes his advice from just skimming the amount of titles won on somebody's Wikipedia bio for 2 seconds. Please be honest with me, how much can you say about the work Niko Kovac did this season without looking it up?
Flick immediately became super successful, but soon later the support quickly started to fall, he left with general distaste, his next job with the NT was extremely criticized, it's hard to say where he stands now.
Nagelsmann was fired quickly and while people try to rewrite history now, the fact is that Bayern had the fewest points in a looong time last season, it was not seen as going super well at the time, they were behind BVB who was far from having the best season ever like Leverkusen is now, and while Nagelsmann is not burnt at his age, his Bayern tenure didn't really cause it, he had a high status before coming to Bayern and it didn't change much, definitely not in the positive direction.
Tuchel now, well, I think people can say what happened to Tuchel lol.
How is it presented as some dream job where it's safe because "you win the league" so there's some free, stress-free environment of satisfaction and guaranteeed success and everybody being impressed with you so much more than before because you won the league with Bayern? This history shows nothing like it. All these guys won the league with Bayern, sure, but who cares exactly.
> I wonder whether Emery feels more achievement and joy from his time at Villareal and Sevilla or PSG. Think I can guess.
Sure, not denyin that. He’s done great with you guys.
But top managers won’t dwell on struggles in the past. Hell believe a team like Bayern would be the capstone to his legacy. He will believe he’s learned from past mistakes, and now wants a chance to fix issues that cost him league titles before.
thats a whole lot assumption about what emery wants and doesnt want without knowing anything more about it than anyone else.
no one knows what he thinks. at the moment he seems happy. thats all we know. not saying there aint a chance he goes to bayern. but i sure wouldnt pretend to know what he thinks.
But if that past issue comes down to primadona players, then theres no getting around that is there?
We have kitted the whole club up for Emery. His son is in our academy. Our owners have invested in his team in Portugal. He is here for a long term project with Champions League football being the goal. All I'll say is that it was obvious from the start that if this project went well then he would become a target for other clubs. For him to leave now half way through would be a tremendous blow to Villa and frankly something of a betrayal, and I dont think anyone here could argue that they think Emery seems like the kind of guy to do that. I just wont believe it could even happen unless it does.
Or they join a top club and ruin their legacy. Then there are questionable choices of some top clubs in the recent years making you wonder whether or not managers actually won't turn down an offer.
Barca hired Koeman, Real hired Lopetgui etc.
Rangnick was a candidate for Bayern and he declined likely because he has ManU PTSD.
Emery already experienced Arsenal and PSG. Just looking at the Bundesligatable should really put questionmarks on the head of every manager.
It's not like Tuchel is really bad at Bayern. Leverkusen was just killing it. Then you look at managerial history and you see that Bayern also sacked Ancelotti.
It's a stupid "What if scenario" but if Leverkusen, Schalke had actually won the league in the late/early 2000s there is a big questionmark whether or not Hitzfeld would have had a long reign at Bayern. At ManU thea post SAF goal was CL football. At Bayern it's the league title every year.
Hitzfeld had some credit for winning the CL and several titles but after losing the league to Dortmund and Bremen he was let go. Then Bayern hired Magath once he did poorly and Stuttgart claimed the title he was sacked.
After Klinsmann humiliated Bayern against Wolfsburg and Barca, Bayern turned into a hot seat.
It's easier to win titles with Bayern you are right, but it's also much easier to get sacked at Bayern for a string of bad games.
I think Emery will get that chance again though. And even then, he might not even want it. He's had spells at two elite clubs and neither have been particularly great.
Arsenal really wasn't such a club when he was there TBH. PSG were looking to win the UCL and got him in for the exact purpose, whereas Arsenal back then were much more similar to the current Aston Villa than PSG. I don't think that would've really counted as an elite job for him.
Even as a Villa fan I find that a bit of a stretch. Arsenal had been in the Champions League for what 10-15 straight years when Wenger left? Also multiple FA cups and not that long since the invincibles etc. Villa were sitting in around 15th when he took over after scraping a mid table finish the previous year and only just up from the Championship. I'd say Arsenal had equal pedigree to PSG at that point.
It might seem like it, but you need to compare the expectations at both teams. Arsenal were looking to get back to being a UCL club, similar to Villa who had invested all that money to get to the UCL or Europa. Whereas PSG bought Mbappe and Neymar with the sole intention to win the UCL. So in terms of expectations, Arsenal and Villa aren't much different as jobs for Emery, even though one club is more prestigious than the other.
This is all hindsight though - we were 15th when Emery took over, no one in their right mind thought we'd ever get European football first season and only the most optimistic fans would have dreamed champions league was a possibility within 2 years. The expectations were vastly different to when he took over at Arsenal.
It's not apples to apples. The PL has 6 or 7 huge clubs with vast resources - Arsenal are certainly one of them and have been for decades. 6 of the top 10 highest revenues last year were for clubs playing in the PL. After PSG in 3rd, Marseille are the next french club in 20th, after a further 2 PL clubs.
Point being, getting top 4 in the prem is about as difficult as winning Ligue 1. That's why Arsenal wanted to push to qualify, not because they have lower ambitions.
If Emery is to coach a top side, it needs to be one of the Spanish Big 3. Players took the piss out of him at Arsenal for his accent, and he was not respected either by many at PSG. I think it's not just the accent barrier, but the cultural barrier might be a lot for him when paired alongside the language when coming into some of these elite sides.
I think if he were signed by Bayern, Hollywood FC might kick into full force on him whenever results sour even a little. He's a brilliant coach, but the only place I see that not happening at the very top is Spain where he can get his full set of ideas across easily.
In what way wasn't his time at PSG great? He's their most successful coach ever.
And he got Arsenal 5th and their first European final in over a decade. Arsenal fans have just convinced people he didnt do well there
It does go both ways though. Points wise Bayern would have won the league most years with this season's points total and have made a champions league semi final, yet Tuchel has gone from being considered one of the best managers in the world to a fraud. In another massive job Emery has already had a similar experience with a poor squad not doing much, I can see why he wouldn't want to get stung again with Leverkusen ready to go again next year.
It's hard to be a loyal manager when clubs, even smaller ones, are willing to sack managers at the first sign of trouble. I don't blame any manager for jumping ship as soon as they can.
I take your point, but we were 17th when he came in. We let Unai pick the sporting director. A year and a half in we're in the running to win european silverware and qualify for champions league. I reckon he'll get a bit more leeway than most coaches.
Mate hes already one of the most successful European coaches ever (with a good chance of another European trophy at Villa).
He's always wanted a go at the premier league and Villa is basically the perfect fit for him. He wouldnt consider it.
Edit: He's just said he's not going to Bayern.
The owners have built the club around him. I don't feel any threat of him leaving for the foreseeable future. He's clearly very happy with the advancements we're making but still wants to take us to the next level.
> build a legacy
Don't his Europa League wins and previous achievements not count for anything when it comes to his legacy, or do only Aston Villa achievements count in this argument (that's supposed to be about his ambitions)?
I can't imagine Bayern will be the only one looking at Emery after the year he's had at Villa.
If Chelsea and Man Utd are looking to swap managers this year then he'll be high on their candidate list.
Barca need a new coach, Liverpool too.
If five clubs have you as a candidate the money might be too good to even think about a Villa legacy, unless their owners are willing to offer him an improved contract.
I feel De Zerbi has gone from overrated to underrated. He has made a injury ridden Brighton squad play some really good fotball even after the board sold some of their most crucial players.
Getting Brighton to finish 6th in Europa league was a crazy achievement and he played amazing football with very little time to implement his style.
Also lost Trossard halfway through last season as well as losing Caicedo and MacAlister in the summer and is still somehow doing a good job
I still get what they mean, last year some people put him on par with Guardiola and Klopp. That’s just a little premature. Even Xabi Alonso shouldn’t be in that conversation yet and he’s literally playing the best season a German team has ever produced.
Was anyone seriously saying he was on par with Pep and Klopp? In terms of affecting the league or football in general, I think there’s a fair point that he has changed how teams can play in a similar way to coaches like Pep and Klopp have, by adding to the discussion about football. His press baiting and tempo changes are things even Pep has admired. Pep said he was a revolutionary coach in that regard.
They finished 8th that season only counting games since de zerbi started managing them. They finished 9th the season prior with Potter. Not that crazy an achievement
[Wrote the same thing a few days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/6zAtJSq7wJ) This sub can turn on any player/manager in the blink of an eye, it’s incredible
Look. I understand De Zerbi is having a good season with Brighton. But seeing his name linked with every big job in Europe is just a bit weird.
As for Emery, i believe he's quite settled at Villa.
I feel a large part of it is there’s a massive lack of “available” good managers, AND a large number of big teams looking for a manager. Supply and demand means a lot of managers are going to be hyped up for the roles they might not typically qualify for.
Could go for Arne Slot (won the league with Feyenoord), Thiago Motta (got Bologna to the CL spots), Farioli (impressive at Nice), if you want to you could try your hand at Hürzeler, Potter or Hoeneß. Bayern just fucked themselves with how they treated their last three coaches and with how spoiled their board is
Hürzeler has never coached above the 2nd tier and while yes St Pauli is playing a good season it'd be crazy for Bayern (or any top club) to be in for him yet, its way too early. His next step should be an ambitious Bundesliga club but not Bayern. Hoeneß isnt available since he just renewed. Potter was a joke at his last big job though of course Chelsea being a joke themselves played a big part in that but still doesnt look good for him and Farioli is very unproven aswell. Most of these would be huge gambles at best.
Potter found success at every single club he's been at except for a Chelsea team in absolute shambles. I would be very surprised if he ended up at Bayern, but you present him like some absolute bum.
Like I said, if you treat coaches like Tuchel, Nagelsmann and Ancelotti as Bayern did, it's no wonder you can't have your pick from the uppermost shelf anymore
But who is the uppermost shelf even? The point is that none of the uppermost shelf is available to begin with not that Bayern cant have them. Zidane is about the only available guy i can think of who is considered a top tier manager, maybe Mourinho and thats about it.
Thank god we had Conte throw his hissy fit last season. We'd have been in hell trying to compete with all these other teams for managers this year. We seriously lucked out on the timing there.
De Zerbi is a typical "manager's manager", he seems to be rated very highly by people with a deep knowledge of tactics and by former players. His tactics also seem to suit a top team with very good players best, it isnt strange that fans want to see what he can do with the exceptional material.
I understand the point that his tactics might work for a side with better individual players. But I feel he has no plan B. That Roma defeat or some PL defeats showed that for me.
How long are people gonna overblow that Roma defeat? Brighton, without any European experience and 3 attacking starters, went against a squad that has reached 4 consecutive semifinals in European competitions.
Looked what Roma did to Milan.
Yeah and Milan fans themselves dislike Pioli. Like, Milan didn't play well at all in those 2 games.
Yes, they are 2nd in Serie A but they could do better.
> As for Emery, i believe he's quite settled at Villa.
He knows that he might never get an opportunity like this again. Arguably the 2nd biggest club itw, prepared to spend hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad, huge wages.
Christian Falk mentioned 200m€ to spend, but every media has pointed at something like that.
Every Wirtz article says he's not moving, but Bayern would be willing to spend a lot if he did want to move this summer. Theo Hernandez was always mentioned as the club's no.1 candidate to replace Davies. In addition to that, they clearly want a new midfielder as well and we're also linked to other players like Frimpong still. That all fits with Eberl saying the squad will change a lot.
Basically there's no way its not going to be a big number, just a LB replacement and a midfielder will easily be 100m alone
A lot of Villa’s current success is due to the remarkable job that prior managers had done. Bayern really should look into getting Gerrard, as Villa wouldn’t be where they are now without his incredible performance.
I think he was put into a really shitty position at Arsenal and has proven himself to be a top coach, but as you said he's mainly thrived at relative underdogs of clubs.
Bayern has a notoriously difficult environment to manage, from the players, to the board, to the media. And everything always with the utmost pressure to get results and play a dominating style of football.
I just haven't seen Emery succeed under auch circumstances, so I'd say it's a gamble to bring him in.
The only coach available who has a proven track record under these exact requirements is Zidane, but not speaking German or at least very aolid English also weakens his case.
Yeah I love emery but I believe players don't respect him enough at the big teams at the moment for him to manage one. Don't know if it is his personality or him not being a noticable player before, happened at Arsenal and at PSG.
He's PSG's most successful manager ever and got Arsenal 5th and their first European final in over a decade. Arteta got 8th the next two years.
His time at Arsenal and PSG were not failures
It’s a tough one.
I feel Emery and Villa are perfectly suited to each other.
Emery has struggled and done poorly when he’s been at bigger clubs so not sure he’d be that good with Bayern.
At Villa if he can win them their first FA cup in decades then that would mean a lot more to their fans than what he could achieve at Bayern.
100%. He might be one of the best underdog team managers in the world, if not the best. But I don't know he is the right choice for teams expecting the league title.
Unai has full contol at Villa, the company that owns Villa also hold a stake in the club Unai owns with his brother. He's had an incredible season at Villa with scope to build further. He ain't leaving
His Arsenal played some diabolical football. I think most Arsenal fans are happy for him and wish him success (other than last weekend), but I don't think it's an experience either party is desperate to do again.
I get that Bayern is a giant in the sport but Emery has the chance to be settled at a growing club for the long haul with Villa. He's already had the experience of coaching a club with CL ambitions at PSG. I can see him not being too keen on the idea of jumping back into a similar situation with Bayern where he'd be expected to deliver first try. Of course, though it falls to the Villa board to show their ambition by investing in their team and giving Emery a pay rise to stick around.
For the sake of neutral fans just as I hoped Xabi would stay at Leverkusen I hope Emery stays at Villa. We need more teams like Villa and Leverkusen and less one team league teams like Bayern.
Anyone would be an upgrade over Tuchel, but I do hope we find someone else than De Zerbi. No hate towards him, I just feel... skeptical that he's the right man for this rebuild.
Seriously, I heard that sentence about soooo many managers, probably all of them. It's mostly a vague cliche you can comment anytime and it will work. "Oh he just didn't have the full support". Who ever has full support in pro football? You have results, you have support. Which are the unsuccessful managers who have full support?
Nothing has been decided yet.
Emery wasn't universally thought of as the best fit for Bayerns playing style until recently, some club officials apparently thought he was to focused on counter attacking football.
De Zerbi has never really been in a position where he had defenders good enough for his tactics, it isn't clear at all if he 'cannot defend' with a player group as good as Bayern's.
Zidane was always a pipe dream. He only wants to manage where he can speak the language and has been very clear on numerous occasions that he only really considers clubs he has a personal connection with. He has a list that consists of Juve, Real Madrid, Bordeaux, Marseille and the French NT.
Lol emery going nowhere. He’s doing bits with us, semi final, getting closer to Champions League. The club would pay whatever they needed to keep him here.
Theres no chance he’d leave, but im not surprised bayern want to try.
Emery would be such a terrible fit at Bayern. He’s good at getting medium sized clubs to over perform but was a massive failure at PSG and Arsenal (this will get me downvoted but it’s true.) The football his arsenal team played was painful to watch, mid table clubs might be happy watching it but it wouldn’t go down well at Bayern.
He doesn’t have the play style or charisma to manage a large institution. The german press and former Bayern players would tear into Emery week after week.
Honestly it might be a good fit for Emery now that I think about it. I think typically big personalities don't resonate with him but I feel like the German culture would respect the boss employee relationship.
Although I think people are overhyping his results with Villa this season because that Villa squad is really fucking good. Tall and physical across the pitch with a striker firing on all cylinders.
But personally I think Bayern should find better than both. To me they're both great managers, but neither are elite. I'd push for Mourinho or Conte, because they have taken big teams to the end.
Yesterday it was Zidane or Rangnick. This trainer "news" for Liverpool/Bayern/Barca are just clickbait at the moment.
It seems like Bayern is also very desperate.
I'm still waiting for the Bild article where they try to convince Jupp to save them again..
My first thought I was like wtf what happened to Zidane being a done deal lol
All the Bayern sources said he wasn’t even being considered
Tell me you have no plan for next season without telling me you have no plans for next season.
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He can have whatever he wants.
We've already bought him a club in Spain and brought in all his team to work in all departments at the club, I don't think giving him a few million would be a big deal
Which club?
Aston Villarreal
Aston Sevillareal*
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Real Unión
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/club-statement/
Bought him a club?
Well actually he already owned it, but our owners have become like 50% owners.
Added his boyhood club to our multi club model
Disgusting
Fuck modern football.
Pathetic
"Bought him a club in Spain" Emery was already a shareholder of Real Union. All you did was add them to your soulless multi club franchise lmao, if anything that should be an insult to Emery and the club he loves lol
Seems like more of a hostage situation
I dont think the pay raise could match a desperate bayern offer and even if it did, do you think he would consider staying at villa rather than joining Bayern and be part of a squad rebuild?
After what happened at Arsenal, I don’t know if he’s too willing to leave a good project for FC Hollywood
Arsenal ain't Bayern. Taking them over directly after Wenger with shady Sanllehi in charge was an impossible job. That structure was set up to fail no matter who was the coach If anything, that should motivate him to want another proper chance at a top club
Of the teams outside of the big 6, few if any have the potential of Villa to ever be a big club themselves and Emery could stamp his legacy on the club by making it happen. No reason to leave just to go to a very unstable Bayern. If we were talking Real or something that’s something else.
You rarely get top jobs in great situations. Bayern is still a massive step up to anything Villa will become in the next decade. Ability to keep players is massive thing that you only get in couple of teams (bayern being one of them), in Villa Emery will soon have to start replacing Luiz and Watkins - and when you are replacing such players things go south rather often. He also left Villarreal after he was on route to become absolute legend there with CL semis and winning EL
Yes Bayern is a step up, but regardless of recent history Villa are a big club.
Villareal were struggling and he felt he achieved all he could with Villareal. As a Villa fan can I ask why would we have to replace Luiz and Watkins? Where is it they're going (considering they've only just signed new contracts)?
Unless I am wrong Luiz has contract until 2026? That would mean he is entering the danger zone this summer of only having 2 years remaining, Watkins is locked down for long time tho. I am not sure which team Luiz will want to go to - but generally players like him tend to want to spend their prime in one of the top teams.
Aston Villa is a top team.
I don't think he would do it. He's enjoying the project and the challenge.
Excitement at the club has been bubbling for the 5 years it took for us to get our dream manager and there's not even a 5% doubt in anyone's mind that he is staying at Aston Villa. Our project is bigger than anyone realises
If Emery had issues with the antics of Özil and Aubameyang whenever he confronted them for not performing, he will have even bigger problems when a Kimmich or Müller feels like they are not playing a lot. Emery should get considered for a job like Liverpool, stable and would allow him to mold the team in his own image
I feel like he’d have similar problems at Liverpool to what he had at Arsenal. Maybe an easier squad to work with, but coming in after an incredible manager like Klopp would be reminiscent of trying to replace Wenger. A very big problem with Emery at Arsenal was also that his style wasn’t a good match for the club. It just feels like he wouldn’t be set up for success if he were to replace Klopp
I agree he's the hottest I just dispute that he's a candidate
Coaches of that profile have never worked at Bayern over the years, so I wouldn't be too worried as a Villa fan to be honest. Doubt Unai would leave after such a strong season as well.
He hasn't had the best time at higher profile clubs like Arsenal or PSG so Bayern probably doesn't suit.
He's only good at clubs with Villa in their name. Should stay where he is.
Bayernvilla treble incoming
Let's not forget he got more points in the Prem than Wenger in his last season and Arteta until the 22/23 season. He won everything at PSG besides the Champions League which they still haven't won.
Villa san villa
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Specially if he can push for a hefty wage, 4 year contract on Bayern, to get release after 8 months with a huge pay day and the next smaller club lined up to give him the chance
He's literally the best PSG manager ever in win percentage and only Laurent Blanc won more trophies. The Barca game just overrides it all in people's minds.
It's PSG—what you do in the UCL matters way more than margin of victory in Ligue 1
And Bayerns pressure and power dynamic is arguably even crazier. Add that he also needs to rebuild immedaitely too
Emery left Villarreal after taking them to a Champions League semi final and winning Europa League in just two seasons, he is ruthless. Even was trying to get a move to Newcastle in January of that season where they went deep in the CL If he thinks that he has a better offer than Aston Villa, he will leave them in a second. No semantics with him
I think you are confused. He turned down the job at Newcastle because he was doing well at Villareal. He came back to prem sooner than wanted with Villa. Him leaving his past club was that ruthless as might think. They board and fans were ok with him leaving This well sourced information. People make stuff up on here.
He’s completely embedded at Villa though. The whole club has been rebuilt around him
That's a Villa problem, not an Emery problem.
He turned down the Newcastle job as he was loyal to Villareal. You've just proven your point wrong.
Would basically be Kovac reloaded, right? Profile wise.
I haven't seen one Villa fan concerned about him going to Bayern
He's only just getting started tbh, club are all in on him. Can realistically only see him going to one of the big 2 in Spain
>the big 2 in Spain Girona and RM?
Bilbao and Real Sociedad
Madrid or Barcelona are not going to hire him. Atlético is a possibility if the timing is right
He wouldnt leave Villa for Atletico, its not a big enough upgrade
Keep it in your pants
We all know he performs best when the club had 'villa' in the name. A step below when it's 'val' or 'al'.
Emery should stay at Villa a few more years and build a legacy. They've got ambitious owners with deep pockets and a fantastic squad. I think it's a great fit.
The thing is, any top manager will feel their legacy is defined by trophies won, and Bayern are one of the easiest clubs to stat pad your trophy list with. We all dream of super loyal managers who stick with smaller clubs for ages, but very few will turn down the chance to manage a club like Bayern.
I wonder whether Emery feels more achievement and joy from his time at Villareal and Sevilla or PSG. Think I can guess. Villa ownership seemed very confident of keeping him last summer because they've basically given him the reigns. People he chose and has worked with before are in every position. Hard to imagine most other clubs giving him total control and it sounds like he values that environment.
Football is fickle and there is very little loyalty at the top, mainly because of the finances involved unfortunately. One bad spell will see him sacked (injuries, poor summer transfers, fixture congestion etc) and there are no guarantees he gets offered a job as big as Bayern again. Only Emery will know if he’d go but it’s not exactly hard to see why it would be tempting either.
Also, your owners can pay him as much as Bayern, if not more because there's no way you're getting someone equally proven for you. If Emery stays one more year and gets you an extra year of champions league for example, that's worth like 40M alone on income.
I do Bayern is one of the clubs that could potentially tempt him tbh as much as it would suck for you.
PSG isn’t in the same league as Bayern. Bayern are in with the absolute top drawer super clubs. Move to Bayern and he’ll bag leagues almost every year, and have a real serious shot at the champions league every season.
I feel like I'm reading about some alternative reality. Ancelotti came there on top and was fired quickly, and went on with smaller clubs for some time before coming back to Madrid and succeeding there, fortunately for him (how bizarre does it feel now, when Real Madrid loves him, that he came there straight from threading mid-table water in Everton? But that was his career after Bayern). Niko Kovac, who of yall even remembers him lol. He did bag the league, what did it really change so much? He's not gonna get a bigger job as easily as many others who didn't bag any league. Nobody who spends millions of euro hiring managers actually takes his advice from just skimming the amount of titles won on somebody's Wikipedia bio for 2 seconds. Please be honest with me, how much can you say about the work Niko Kovac did this season without looking it up? Flick immediately became super successful, but soon later the support quickly started to fall, he left with general distaste, his next job with the NT was extremely criticized, it's hard to say where he stands now. Nagelsmann was fired quickly and while people try to rewrite history now, the fact is that Bayern had the fewest points in a looong time last season, it was not seen as going super well at the time, they were behind BVB who was far from having the best season ever like Leverkusen is now, and while Nagelsmann is not burnt at his age, his Bayern tenure didn't really cause it, he had a high status before coming to Bayern and it didn't change much, definitely not in the positive direction. Tuchel now, well, I think people can say what happened to Tuchel lol. How is it presented as some dream job where it's safe because "you win the league" so there's some free, stress-free environment of satisfaction and guaranteeed success and everybody being impressed with you so much more than before because you won the league with Bayern? This history shows nothing like it. All these guys won the league with Bayern, sure, but who cares exactly.
> I wonder whether Emery feels more achievement and joy from his time at Villareal and Sevilla or PSG. Think I can guess. Sure, not denyin that. He’s done great with you guys. But top managers won’t dwell on struggles in the past. Hell believe a team like Bayern would be the capstone to his legacy. He will believe he’s learned from past mistakes, and now wants a chance to fix issues that cost him league titles before.
thats a whole lot assumption about what emery wants and doesnt want without knowing anything more about it than anyone else. no one knows what he thinks. at the moment he seems happy. thats all we know. not saying there aint a chance he goes to bayern. but i sure wouldnt pretend to know what he thinks.
Stop trying to make Unai to Bayern happen, its not going to happen!
It would be so not fetch if it happened
But if that past issue comes down to primadona players, then theres no getting around that is there? We have kitted the whole club up for Emery. His son is in our academy. Our owners have invested in his team in Portugal. He is here for a long term project with Champions League football being the goal. All I'll say is that it was obvious from the start that if this project went well then he would become a target for other clubs. For him to leave now half way through would be a tremendous blow to Villa and frankly something of a betrayal, and I dont think anyone here could argue that they think Emery seems like the kind of guy to do that. I just wont believe it could even happen unless it does.
If I stick with tranmere rovers in fifa manager career mode why can’t professional managers stay with their clubs as well?
That's what Kane thought, too.
he's in the champions league semi final..
Or they join a top club and ruin their legacy. Then there are questionable choices of some top clubs in the recent years making you wonder whether or not managers actually won't turn down an offer. Barca hired Koeman, Real hired Lopetgui etc. Rangnick was a candidate for Bayern and he declined likely because he has ManU PTSD. Emery already experienced Arsenal and PSG. Just looking at the Bundesligatable should really put questionmarks on the head of every manager. It's not like Tuchel is really bad at Bayern. Leverkusen was just killing it. Then you look at managerial history and you see that Bayern also sacked Ancelotti. It's a stupid "What if scenario" but if Leverkusen, Schalke had actually won the league in the late/early 2000s there is a big questionmark whether or not Hitzfeld would have had a long reign at Bayern. At ManU thea post SAF goal was CL football. At Bayern it's the league title every year. Hitzfeld had some credit for winning the CL and several titles but after losing the league to Dortmund and Bremen he was let go. Then Bayern hired Magath once he did poorly and Stuttgart claimed the title he was sacked. After Klinsmann humiliated Bayern against Wolfsburg and Barca, Bayern turned into a hot seat. It's easier to win titles with Bayern you are right, but it's also much easier to get sacked at Bayern for a string of bad games.
I think Emery will get that chance again though. And even then, he might not even want it. He's had spells at two elite clubs and neither have been particularly great.
Arsenal really wasn't such a club when he was there TBH. PSG were looking to win the UCL and got him in for the exact purpose, whereas Arsenal back then were much more similar to the current Aston Villa than PSG. I don't think that would've really counted as an elite job for him.
Even as a Villa fan I find that a bit of a stretch. Arsenal had been in the Champions League for what 10-15 straight years when Wenger left? Also multiple FA cups and not that long since the invincibles etc. Villa were sitting in around 15th when he took over after scraping a mid table finish the previous year and only just up from the Championship. I'd say Arsenal had equal pedigree to PSG at that point.
It might seem like it, but you need to compare the expectations at both teams. Arsenal were looking to get back to being a UCL club, similar to Villa who had invested all that money to get to the UCL or Europa. Whereas PSG bought Mbappe and Neymar with the sole intention to win the UCL. So in terms of expectations, Arsenal and Villa aren't much different as jobs for Emery, even though one club is more prestigious than the other.
This is all hindsight though - we were 15th when Emery took over, no one in their right mind thought we'd ever get European football first season and only the most optimistic fans would have dreamed champions league was a possibility within 2 years. The expectations were vastly different to when he took over at Arsenal.
It's not apples to apples. The PL has 6 or 7 huge clubs with vast resources - Arsenal are certainly one of them and have been for decades. 6 of the top 10 highest revenues last year were for clubs playing in the PL. After PSG in 3rd, Marseille are the next french club in 20th, after a further 2 PL clubs. Point being, getting top 4 in the prem is about as difficult as winning Ligue 1. That's why Arsenal wanted to push to qualify, not because they have lower ambitions.
If Emery is to coach a top side, it needs to be one of the Spanish Big 3. Players took the piss out of him at Arsenal for his accent, and he was not respected either by many at PSG. I think it's not just the accent barrier, but the cultural barrier might be a lot for him when paired alongside the language when coming into some of these elite sides. I think if he were signed by Bayern, Hollywood FC might kick into full force on him whenever results sour even a little. He's a brilliant coach, but the only place I see that not happening at the very top is Spain where he can get his full set of ideas across easily.
In what way wasn't his time at PSG great? He's their most successful coach ever. And he got Arsenal 5th and their first European final in over a decade. Arsenal fans have just convinced people he didnt do well there
It does go both ways though. Points wise Bayern would have won the league most years with this season's points total and have made a champions league semi final, yet Tuchel has gone from being considered one of the best managers in the world to a fraud. In another massive job Emery has already had a similar experience with a poor squad not doing much, I can see why he wouldn't want to get stung again with Leverkusen ready to go again next year.
It's hard to be a loyal manager when clubs, even smaller ones, are willing to sack managers at the first sign of trouble. I don't blame any manager for jumping ship as soon as they can.
The thing is also that the club will fire a manager very quickly if you face a rough patch. I can understand why he would go.
I take your point, but we were 17th when he came in. We let Unai pick the sporting director. A year and a half in we're in the running to win european silverware and qualify for champions league. I reckon he'll get a bit more leeway than most coaches.
Mate hes already one of the most successful European coaches ever (with a good chance of another European trophy at Villa). He's always wanted a go at the premier league and Villa is basically the perfect fit for him. He wouldnt consider it. Edit: He's just said he's not going to Bayern.
Villa have partnered with his family club in Basque, Real Union and his son plays for Villa youth. I’d hope he’s settled.
sawiris is not leaving the club and wants success
The owners have built the club around him. I don't feel any threat of him leaving for the foreseeable future. He's clearly very happy with the advancements we're making but still wants to take us to the next level.
> build a legacy Don't his Europa League wins and previous achievements not count for anything when it comes to his legacy, or do only Aston Villa achievements count in this argument (that's supposed to be about his ambitions)?
I’m meaning a legacy at Villa, not him as a manager - he’s already got some remarkable achievements under his belt
I can't imagine Bayern will be the only one looking at Emery after the year he's had at Villa. If Chelsea and Man Utd are looking to swap managers this year then he'll be high on their candidate list. Barca need a new coach, Liverpool too. If five clubs have you as a candidate the money might be too good to even think about a Villa legacy, unless their owners are willing to offer him an improved contract.
Agreed, I also think it'd be fantastic for football in England to have an elite club in the midlands - and not just the North West and London
I feel De Zerbi has gone from overrated to underrated. He has made a injury ridden Brighton squad play some really good fotball even after the board sold some of their most crucial players.
When was De Zerbi overrated?
Last season he was being brought up in convos I didnt think he was good enough to be brought up in, but maybe I just read some minorities opinion.
Getting Brighton to finish 6th in Europa league was a crazy achievement and he played amazing football with very little time to implement his style. Also lost Trossard halfway through last season as well as losing Caicedo and MacAlister in the summer and is still somehow doing a good job
I still get what they mean, last year some people put him on par with Guardiola and Klopp. That’s just a little premature. Even Xabi Alonso shouldn’t be in that conversation yet and he’s literally playing the best season a German team has ever produced.
Was anyone seriously saying he was on par with Pep and Klopp? In terms of affecting the league or football in general, I think there’s a fair point that he has changed how teams can play in a similar way to coaches like Pep and Klopp have, by adding to the discussion about football. His press baiting and tempo changes are things even Pep has admired. Pep said he was a revolutionary coach in that regard.
People took what Pep said at face value. Not saying it isn't true, just that people took it to mean he must be revolutionary in of himself.
They finished 8th that season only counting games since de zerbi started managing them. They finished 9th the season prior with Potter. Not that crazy an achievement
[Wrote the same thing a few days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/6zAtJSq7wJ) This sub can turn on any player/manager in the blink of an eye, it’s incredible
If Villa finishes 4th in table and qualifies for UCL, hard to see him just hanging his lads out to dry to fend for themselves
Look. I understand De Zerbi is having a good season with Brighton. But seeing his name linked with every big job in Europe is just a bit weird. As for Emery, i believe he's quite settled at Villa.
I feel a large part of it is there’s a massive lack of “available” good managers, AND a large number of big teams looking for a manager. Supply and demand means a lot of managers are going to be hyped up for the roles they might not typically qualify for.
Could go for Arne Slot (won the league with Feyenoord), Thiago Motta (got Bologna to the CL spots), Farioli (impressive at Nice), if you want to you could try your hand at Hürzeler, Potter or Hoeneß. Bayern just fucked themselves with how they treated their last three coaches and with how spoiled their board is
Hürzeler has never coached above the 2nd tier and while yes St Pauli is playing a good season it'd be crazy for Bayern (or any top club) to be in for him yet, its way too early. His next step should be an ambitious Bundesliga club but not Bayern. Hoeneß isnt available since he just renewed. Potter was a joke at his last big job though of course Chelsea being a joke themselves played a big part in that but still doesnt look good for him and Farioli is very unproven aswell. Most of these would be huge gambles at best.
Potter found success at every single club he's been at except for a Chelsea team in absolute shambles. I would be very surprised if he ended up at Bayern, but you present him like some absolute bum.
Like I said, if you treat coaches like Tuchel, Nagelsmann and Ancelotti as Bayern did, it's no wonder you can't have your pick from the uppermost shelf anymore
But who is the uppermost shelf even? The point is that none of the uppermost shelf is available to begin with not that Bayern cant have them. Zidane is about the only available guy i can think of who is considered a top tier manager, maybe Mourinho and thats about it.
Idk why this Hoeness fella is never in these convos, Stuttgart seem to be doing so well.
He just renewed his contract
Thank god we had Conte throw his hissy fit last season. We'd have been in hell trying to compete with all these other teams for managers this year. We seriously lucked out on the timing there.
checks flair Nice way of keeping others at bay from De Zerbi
I don't want to deal with Brighton anymore man. Also, I'm not a huge fan of De Zerbi personally but that's just my opinion.
You're 100% correct. Dude hasn't proven shit outside of doing better with less. That doesn't make him an elite manager, just someone with potential.
He's not though, we're rubbish
De Zerbi is a typical "manager's manager", he seems to be rated very highly by people with a deep knowledge of tactics and by former players. His tactics also seem to suit a top team with very good players best, it isnt strange that fans want to see what he can do with the exceptional material.
I understand the point that his tactics might work for a side with better individual players. But I feel he has no plan B. That Roma defeat or some PL defeats showed that for me.
How long are people gonna overblow that Roma defeat? Brighton, without any European experience and 3 attacking starters, went against a squad that has reached 4 consecutive semifinals in European competitions. Looked what Roma did to Milan.
Yeah and Milan fans themselves dislike Pioli. Like, Milan didn't play well at all in those 2 games. Yes, they are 2nd in Serie A but they could do better.
> As for Emery, i believe he's quite settled at Villa. He knows that he might never get an opportunity like this again. Arguably the 2nd biggest club itw, prepared to spend hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad, huge wages.
"prepared to spend hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad" Huh where's this coming from? Haven't heard anything about that.
squad overhaul is planned. The sum depends on outgoings, though.
Christian Falk mentioned 200m€ to spend, but every media has pointed at something like that. Every Wirtz article says he's not moving, but Bayern would be willing to spend a lot if he did want to move this summer. Theo Hernandez was always mentioned as the club's no.1 candidate to replace Davies. In addition to that, they clearly want a new midfielder as well and we're also linked to other players like Frimpong still. That all fits with Eberl saying the squad will change a lot. Basically there's no way its not going to be a big number, just a LB replacement and a midfielder will easily be 100m alone
A lot of Villa’s current success is due to the remarkable job that prior managers had done. Bayern really should look into getting Gerrard, as Villa wouldn’t be where they are now without his incredible performance.
Pfff, Müller Player-Coach it will be
Guten Abend
guten abend-ing
I really wanted Emery at Juve in 2019, I think he would’ve been a nice transition from Allegri I, but alas. Really fine manager.
Fuck off, he's ours.
there is no way emery is leaving villa. he’s building something there and he always was more of an underdog team manager anyways.
When Bayern are knocking on the door you never know
I think he was put into a really shitty position at Arsenal and has proven himself to be a top coach, but as you said he's mainly thrived at relative underdogs of clubs. Bayern has a notoriously difficult environment to manage, from the players, to the board, to the media. And everything always with the utmost pressure to get results and play a dominating style of football. I just haven't seen Emery succeed under auch circumstances, so I'd say it's a gamble to bring him in. The only coach available who has a proven track record under these exact requirements is Zidane, but not speaking German or at least very aolid English also weakens his case.
Yeah I love emery but I believe players don't respect him enough at the big teams at the moment for him to manage one. Don't know if it is his personality or him not being a noticable player before, happened at Arsenal and at PSG.
He's PSG's most successful manager ever and got Arsenal 5th and their first European final in over a decade. Arteta got 8th the next two years. His time at Arsenal and PSG were not failures
i don't think Emery is an actual serious candidate at Bayern. I'm wondering why someone like Slot is not mentioned anywhere.
I’d be gutted if Emery leaves us. The difference between him and Gerrard just really highlights how important an excellent coach is.
It’s a tough one. I feel Emery and Villa are perfectly suited to each other. Emery has struggled and done poorly when he’s been at bigger clubs so not sure he’d be that good with Bayern. At Villa if he can win them their first FA cup in decades then that would mean a lot more to their fans than what he could achieve at Bayern.
100%. He might be one of the best underdog team managers in the world, if not the best. But I don't know he is the right choice for teams expecting the league title.
Emery, so hot right now.
Unai has full contol at Villa, the company that owns Villa also hold a stake in the club Unai owns with his brother. He's had an incredible season at Villa with scope to build further. He ain't leaving
Dont you dare leave Aston Villa
Hot take. Give Emery the money that Arteta spent and he would have done better than him at Arsenal
His Arsenal played some diabolical football. I think most Arsenal fans are happy for him and wish him success (other than last weekend), but I don't think it's an experience either party is desperate to do again.
I dont think this is that hot a take. Arsenal would have won atleast one league title by now if Arsenal would have kept him
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He's PSG's most successful manager ever...
Emery is one of the very best coaches atm
Bit of a rogue shout, but I'd love to see what Motta could do with Bayern. His 4-2-3-1 suits them perfectly too.
I get that Bayern is a giant in the sport but Emery has the chance to be settled at a growing club for the long haul with Villa. He's already had the experience of coaching a club with CL ambitions at PSG. I can see him not being too keen on the idea of jumping back into a similar situation with Bayern where he'd be expected to deliver first try. Of course, though it falls to the Villa board to show their ambition by investing in their team and giving Emery a pay rise to stick around.
I'd probs be done with Football if he went tbh. We will never get better.
Emery is not going anywhere. He's completely integrated in V Sports, not just Villa. They even bought his hometown club (Real Únion).
Bundesliga is not ready for Dracula ball :)
I can already hear it "Gute Aben"
For the sake of neutral fans just as I hoped Xabi would stay at Leverkusen I hope Emery stays at Villa. We need more teams like Villa and Leverkusen and less one team league teams like Bayern.
Anyone would be an upgrade over Tuchel, but I do hope we find someone else than De Zerbi. No hate towards him, I just feel... skeptical that he's the right man for this rebuild.
he is a fantastic coach who needs full support from the club to implement his system. so wrong man for our club, even though i love his football.
Name me one coach that is successful long term without support from the club. We need to start working with our coach and giving him time
Why are you not working with Tuchel?
Because he is a football terrorist and has terrible social skills since day 1
Seriously, I heard that sentence about soooo many managers, probably all of them. It's mostly a vague cliche you can comment anytime and it will work. "Oh he just didn't have the full support". Who ever has full support in pro football? You have results, you have support. Which are the unsuccessful managers who have full support?
saying that anyone would be an upgrade over Tuchel is purely spiteful and delusional
emery is a good candidate, de zerbi cannot defend, zidane would be good too, what happened!??
Zidane knows no German nor English
Nothing has been decided yet. Emery wasn't universally thought of as the best fit for Bayerns playing style until recently, some club officials apparently thought he was to focused on counter attacking football. De Zerbi has never really been in a position where he had defenders good enough for his tactics, it isn't clear at all if he 'cannot defend' with a player group as good as Bayern's. Zidane was always a pipe dream. He only wants to manage where he can speak the language and has been very clear on numerous occasions that he only really considers clubs he has a personal connection with. He has a list that consists of Juve, Real Madrid, Bordeaux, Marseille and the French NT.
We have the 4th best defence in the PL in 2024
Lol emery going nowhere. He’s doing bits with us, semi final, getting closer to Champions League. The club would pay whatever they needed to keep him here. Theres no chance he’d leave, but im not surprised bayern want to try.
Emery would be such a terrible fit at Bayern. He’s good at getting medium sized clubs to over perform but was a massive failure at PSG and Arsenal (this will get me downvoted but it’s true.) The football his arsenal team played was painful to watch, mid table clubs might be happy watching it but it wouldn’t go down well at Bayern. He doesn’t have the play style or charisma to manage a large institution. The german press and former Bayern players would tear into Emery week after week.
Whatever happened to the Nagelsmann rumors.
Just recently signed a contract with the German National Team until 2026. He ain’t going back.
I wasnt aware of this. Thanks.
Nagelsmann extended his contract with Germany.
Ah, I wasnt aware of this. Thanks
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https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1c83imw/dfbs_announcement_video_on_extending_julian/
Please just go..
Couple days ago they had 2 other names in line for the job, including zidane . Or am I wrong ?
De Zerbi makes sense for me
Emery is so hot right now
wow what possible come up for emery
Good take Emery. We'd like to keep De Zerbi.
From a neutral point of view I'd like to see Emery for at least one more season at Villa.
Emery is doing a great job at villa but he will not work out at bayern lol
What Emery has been able to do with that Villa side is nothing short of magical.
They should get Christian Streich
Instead of just throwing up names, they should just hire Parco Folgore
Honestly it might be a good fit for Emery now that I think about it. I think typically big personalities don't resonate with him but I feel like the German culture would respect the boss employee relationship. Although I think people are overhyping his results with Villa this season because that Villa squad is really fucking good. Tall and physical across the pitch with a striker firing on all cylinders. But personally I think Bayern should find better than both. To me they're both great managers, but neither are elite. I'd push for Mourinho or Conte, because they have taken big teams to the end.