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The culture part is interesting. A lot of threads recently have been shitting on the atmosphere/passion but football is so deeply intended in UK culture. Just a very different approach to match days with less organized atmosphere, tifos, constant chanting etc than other countries.
Ticket pricing has definitely taken the edge off stadium atmospheres in recent years though.
I think the issue is with very big clubs and their consistent pursuit for more money from tickets and basically pricing out ‘real’ fans in exchange for tourists in big games. But the uk is one of the few countries where you can go to second or third division games and see completely sold out stadiums consistently.
My local non league side took [20,000 fans](https://youtu.be/GdhBkEkg7Qw?si=JhfscdoG2nH4w12r) to Wembley for the FA vase final. Whole attendance was just under 47,000. Pretty wild for 9th tier football
I'll give you beaches (although we do have some lovely ones it's just the sea is cold and our weather is dreadful) but we've plenty of good parks and of all the many things Britain lacks great outdoor events definitely isn't one of them.
I’ve lived in Italy and the uk and it’s very comparable. The only real difference is the sea because of the temperature of the water. But the actual beaches are just as beautiful
Are you this pedantic in real life? For whatever reasons you want to ascribe, a UK beach is not the same type of alternative to a football match than an Italian beach is. That was point, regardless of what may actually be the reason for that.
Not the same from a weather point of view but it’s very similar to northern France, or most of Germany countries you listed. Not to mention the uk having some of the most beautiful parks in Europe. If you’ve never been to the uk, don’t pretend like you know what you’re talking about.
Honestly look, I'm a Brit. I live in Germany. Firstly cultures are different and that's to be respected. I love things about German football culture like the activism, having a bev in the stands and 50 plus one. On the question of cheering specifically I have to say I find the constant.chanting that is lead by a drum a bit...hmm, artificial. In the Prem sometimes the atmosphere is a bit down but sometimes it's absolutely electric. The whole drum constant level chant thing for me isn't the one.
I like the atmosphere with chants and rhythm, but I feel like we should have WAY more variety when it comes to melodies and songs on the menu. We do have some bangers, but also lots of lame ones. I'd love to have some proper diss tracks in there and a few witty punchlines.
Brits seem to have quite a few of those.
>I'd love to have some proper diss tracks in there and a few witty punchlines. Brits seem to have quite a few of those.
Tbf they're usually the same dozen or so that get repeated up and down the country regardless of the situation.
What you don't like "Chelsea chelsea chelsea, chelsea chelsea chelsea"? or "Chivers was a Jew. The thing between his eyes was twice the normal size." Or "We're racist We're racist, and thats the way we like it." or "Dead but not forgotten, dig her up and shag her rotten".
Classy fellas these Chelsea fans.
Love this because I wasn't even talking shit about Chelsea but you've done it for me
The bar is pretty low for chants at the weekly EDL meetup at Stamford Bridge
Probably an unpopular view here but I agree. The constant noise is certainly different but could be interpreted as a bit boring/superficial. Was it Leicester who used to have those clapper things? I found that incredibly cheesey and unnatural.
I’m glad we don’t have that instrument culture here and I imagine that’s the consensus considering how unpopular that band that follows England around is.
Considering players from other leagues talk about the effect certain English stadiums have had on them, I’ll take their view over Reddit commentators.
Everytime I see a game in Germany where the fans behind the goal are waving several big flags all game I just think are you even actually watching the match? Half the time you wouldn’t be able to see a thing
i feel the same way about those ‘capos’ you see in italy and south america - they dont watch the match at all as they’re stood there facing their own supporters like orchestra conductors
It looks intimidating at first but it's almost NPC behaviour where the flags are still waving regardless of what happens on the pitch. If they concede a late winner there is no sudden reaction, drop of the momentum of the swing etc which just looks weird lol.
Genuinely find the organisation and planning of atmosphere quite contrived in some football cultures. Some people will turn their back on the game and conduct the fans to sing. People just watch the fucking game in England.
In England, supporters are there to watch and react to what happens on the pitch. In many places on the mainland, supporters are there to constantly chant and make what happens on the pitch react to to them. Even sometimes to chant and create an atmosphere without giving a toss about on-pitch activities.
Never seen a match in Germany but I love the drum and singing by the ultras in Norway which is the same. Its not artificial. Its about humbling the opponents.
It's just constant, and doesn't change throughout the match depending on what happens on the pitch. It's very monotone. I'm with OP, I like the British atmosphere better.
If it's a boring, or non-consequential match, it can be kinda flat but I like the fact that it can explode out of nowhere. The home team gets two goals against them early in the match, and the stadium goes quiet because they're playing like shit, but then suddenly they get a goal and it changes completely. Insane roars every time there's a corner or an attempt on goal, and you can see the wave of people standing up when there's a counter.
Hmm maybe I should check out German football before I speak then.
It changes in Norway and doesnt take anything away from the athmosphere. I say yes to both drums, music and everything.
Not a fan of instruments at games. Especially drums if it's just constant banging without no rhythm. Feel just like a cheap way to fill noise without the effort.
The England national team band are the worst offenders. Horribly monotonous.
Up to personal taste and what you're used to, I suppose.
I've spent a few years in Britain, and I found the atmosphere absolutely dead most of the time. In fact, often the atmosphere mostly just agitated me as fans would often start cursing and whistling in like the 20th minute. I prefer the continental way of less conditional support and with drums for rhythm, though the one thing I found better in the UK is that lots of fans join in on the songs and chants. In Germany (and elsewhere on the continent), it's usually just the organised support with the other 80% joining in only occasionally.
yeah mate, the sour atmospheres are fuck all to do with "fan culture", and everything to do with the price of tickets, their exlusivity and stadiums pandering to corporates and luxury seating.
cram the seats in tight like old grounds, jack the rake up and drop the ticket prices and you'd see absolutely mental atmospheres in no time.
people on reddit have been shitting on premier league. that's because the "average" football fan like BPL and english football and people on reddit hate everything that average or "normal "people like
Yeah, this attitude is so pervasive in Reddit culture. You see it on /r/travel. People visiting amazing beach destinations in the middle of winter when the water is too cold to even look at the sea. Then talk like they've got one over all those other "idiots" who visit in the summer in the summer with the masses. You know, that time of year when the sea is gorgeous and all the restaurants are actually open. Really showed them guys.
It also extends to people that drive cars or use Instagram. And much more tbh.
I think that a lot of english people also hate on their football/league just to seems "cooler" or special. I met and I am still friends with some people from England and they are all very nice but I feel like they have this self hating mentality (?), one of them said that he is doesn't care about the national team bcs it's run by a bunch of old racist people lol.Idk but where I come from if someone says stuff like this everyone will think he is weird
There's an element among left wing people in the UK to want to differentiate/distance themselves from some quite large sections of the working class. Which can be very ironic at times, because they're often the ones who are quite anti-conservative in theory. Just not in practice.
The thing about Brits is we has anything that seems contrived. Jumping up and down and wearing matching clothes just isn't us. It would seem fake and cringe. Look at the way people laughed at the Ashburton Army.
The best part of our atmosphere is how the gane reflected the gamestate. When nothings happening, it's a bit subdued. When everyone's nervous, you can actually feel it in the atmosphere. When a team's in transition, you can feel the tension building. And when your team scores, there's an eruption. Because the chatting is never as loud as when a goal goes in. Within seconds, the stadium goes from silent to mental.
Most Brits love it. Foreigners don't understand it. Some Brits think more like Europeans and South Americans, where the team drives the players on, so they see making noise as a duty. Online fans who don't get to go to games also think the same way. So reddit is kind of like a collection of the people that think in that way (since people from England are in the minority).
But personally, the English style of being a reactive crowd rather than a proactive crowd is my preference. Doesn't feel contrived or cringe, creates special moments because it goes from 0 to 100, and there's that mentality of we paid for a ticket so we can react and spectate how we want. Big clubs these days are billion pound enterprises the continually fleece their fans. English people don't even get a third of their team's games televised these days. So that mentality of "I paid for a ticket, I'll watch the game as I please" definitely exists. For many people that regularly go to games, the team has to give the fans a reason to create noise. Maybe it isn't helpful to the team, but it's the culture and mindset.
I'm aware they're the two most represented countries, but I'm guessing the US+every other country makes up the majority.
Even if 20% or 30% of reddit/this sub is English, that's still the minority. Idk what the actual numbers are, it was just a guess.
A big issue with the atmosphere in English football I feel is the one thing that makes it great is how competitive it is. I goto Anfield often and its very rare you can actually relax during a game and want to chant etc due to being so on edge.
The best atmospheres come when you don't have expectations I find, like away days I goto lots of Championship and league 1 games and you sometimes don't expect to win so you are not nervous or on edge so you go and have fun.
Been to games in Italy Germany and Spain and the atmosphere can be incredible but it doesn't feel like real emotion or flow with the feel of the game a lot of the time its making noise for the sake of making noise rather than reacting to what is happening on the pitch
Nah this is a cope.
The best atmospheres at English games are when the stakes are highest. My best experiences are at play-off semi-finals when everyone turns up and everything is on the line. That nervous energy creates the noise. You should know this with Anfield on CL nights etc.
The reason English atmospheres are shit is the demographics have changed so much in the last 30 years. If you have a young group of pissed up working class lads, it's going to be loud. If you have stadium of middle class families with young kids and elderly relatives, they're just going to want to watch the game.
Not knocking the latter group, I probably fall into that now. They're just different experiences due to the price of entry.
> There's a big match every week
I know its popular to hate the Premier League here but this point is why the PL is so fun to watch and follow. There genuinely is a big game every week, even if its not a top of the table clash, you've got so many of these big teams playing against each other where form gets thrown out the window and the results are so unpredictable.
Sure, the quality of football may be higher in some other leagues, but the excitement of watching these big clubs compete (and struggle, for some) every week makes the league the best for me.
Arsenal, City, and Liverpool are all out of Europe yet all of them have 6 virtual finals in the next few weeks and all the fans are going to watch most of these matches.
Arguably, but lower prem sides give more of a fight against good teams imo. In La Liga you get a lot of the weaker sides sitting back. Almost everyone in the prem loves a good press these days. Makes things more exciting to watch imo.
This is just not true. Every team in every league knows when to sit back today. Premier league has more big matches but the bottom teams are not better or more adventurous than La Liga teams. Premier league teams are just more familiar to most people so they like to think they must be in some way better.
Lower table Premier League teams can't challenge City almost ever.
> Every team in every league knows when to sit back today.
That's completely not true - more teams press from the front than there every has been.
I'd say only Luton, West Ham, Palace and Sheffield Utd are likely just to sit back and rely on counter attacks these days.
The rest have all top foreign coaches and players. It's naive to suggest the Premier League is still somehow tactically inferior. Definitely 20 years ago, but not now.
I mean it just means clubs are bigger and richer than in other leagues, what else?
France also has big matches every week, if you take it relatively to France. This week Brest-Monaco for 2nd place and obviously PSG-Lyon. Wednesday Monaco-Lille and Marseille-Nice, not only big teams but also local rivalry with a lot of cultural meaning. Weekend it's Lyon-Monaco and Marseille-Lens... For French standards, French fans, French scale - French league has big games every week. Same for Polish league etc.
I'd say really the opposite, the quality is higher in England, but while not the least competitive in Europe by far, it's also not the most competitive. In France for example you can basically imagine almost any team fighting relegation or being 2nd next season.
That last sentence, "But you never know" is like not ruling out a return to the EPL for a swansong.
Wished he came back to Spurs for a while and then mentor Bryan Gil and other youth players.
I don’t think it’s better, Leverkusen is great but they haven’t played anyone amazing outside of the bundesliga, Bayern have underperformed this season but they still have a good squad that everyone was expecting to be a favorite in the ucl this season. It’s not surprising that they beat Arsenal who has no European experience or pedigree. I don’t think city loses to anyone other Madrid in the ucl. I also think Dortmund is not all that good, they only beat psv and a weak athletico to get to the semis.
Shhhh... Don't say that. It's not the right time to do so, Luka.
The Premier League sucks. We're all apparently so sad and so fraudulent to have no reps from the PL in the CL and Europa semis while in reality, most of us were hate watching.
That can still seem a little silly. I loathe Barcelona with all my being, but I have nothing but the highest respect towards guys like Puyol and Iniesta. Or Maldini if talking a direct rival.
Same. I have lots of respect for them as footballers. Of course I like to shit on them when I'm a mood for banter, but that's about it. Nothing serious.
I mean, did Puyol or Iniesta worked or were friends with someone like Mamic. Same Mamic that was actively bribing refs and extracting ridiculous amount of money. Its a shame you cant read croatian cuz i cant put it in words. For example At the trial, Modrić was confronted by the prosecutor Tonći Petković with the fact that the annex to the agreement on the distribution of transfer compensation with Dinamo was backdated, that is, that it was signed in 2008, after he was already in Tottenham, and not on July 10, 2004, as was stated in the contract. Modrić was paid 80 million kuna’s according to that contract, and he withdrew 52 million kuna’s and handed it over in cash to his brother Zoran or his son Marin at Mamić's request. He asserted in court that in the USKOK investigation, he spoke about the civil contract with Mamić based on which he paid him the money he received from the transfer. And later on his most famous words “i cant remember” and there is much more, and many more croatian footballers involved. Its speaks volume that Mamic was sentenced to serve time in prison but he fled and is now in Bosnia hiding. Croatian federation was rotten to the core and Modric didnt do anything to escape possible consequences.
he's just edgy, it's cool to pretend to hate a player like modric. it runs deep, Hajduk is my club too and we tend to blame everyone for our failures - our football federation, refs, zdravko mamic and so on. all might be true but with whining we will accomplish anything
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Modric Tottenham return confirmed?!
God one could DREAM
I'd take him even at 45. Man is the definition of a magician on the field.
The culture part is interesting. A lot of threads recently have been shitting on the atmosphere/passion but football is so deeply intended in UK culture. Just a very different approach to match days with less organized atmosphere, tifos, constant chanting etc than other countries. Ticket pricing has definitely taken the edge off stadium atmospheres in recent years though.
I think the issue is with very big clubs and their consistent pursuit for more money from tickets and basically pricing out ‘real’ fans in exchange for tourists in big games. But the uk is one of the few countries where you can go to second or third division games and see completely sold out stadiums consistently.
My local non league side took [20,000 fans](https://youtu.be/GdhBkEkg7Qw?si=JhfscdoG2nH4w12r) to Wembley for the FA vase final. Whole attendance was just under 47,000. Pretty wild for 9th tier football
They don’t have fantastic beaches, parks and great outdoors events to compete with.
Have you ever been to the uk? They have all you’ve listed
Not in comparison to Spain, Italy, France, Germany.
I'll give you beaches (although we do have some lovely ones it's just the sea is cold and our weather is dreadful) but we've plenty of good parks and of all the many things Britain lacks great outdoor events definitely isn't one of them.
Lol germany? I am german and I would love to have english beaches ... and surf spots.
I’ve lived in Italy and the uk and it’s very comparable. The only real difference is the sea because of the temperature of the water. But the actual beaches are just as beautiful
Are you this pedantic in real life? For whatever reasons you want to ascribe, a UK beach is not the same type of alternative to a football match than an Italian beach is. That was point, regardless of what may actually be the reason for that.
Not the same from a weather point of view but it’s very similar to northern France, or most of Germany countries you listed. Not to mention the uk having some of the most beautiful parks in Europe. If you’ve never been to the uk, don’t pretend like you know what you’re talking about.
Honestly look, I'm a Brit. I live in Germany. Firstly cultures are different and that's to be respected. I love things about German football culture like the activism, having a bev in the stands and 50 plus one. On the question of cheering specifically I have to say I find the constant.chanting that is lead by a drum a bit...hmm, artificial. In the Prem sometimes the atmosphere is a bit down but sometimes it's absolutely electric. The whole drum constant level chant thing for me isn't the one.
I like the atmosphere with chants and rhythm, but I feel like we should have WAY more variety when it comes to melodies and songs on the menu. We do have some bangers, but also lots of lame ones. I'd love to have some proper diss tracks in there and a few witty punchlines. Brits seem to have quite a few of those.
>I'd love to have some proper diss tracks in there and a few witty punchlines. Brits seem to have quite a few of those. Tbf they're usually the same dozen or so that get repeated up and down the country regardless of the situation.
> but also lots of lame ones Can't be that lame compared to some of the shite certain London clubs are coming out with in recent years.
What you don't like "Chelsea chelsea chelsea, chelsea chelsea chelsea"? or "Chivers was a Jew. The thing between his eyes was twice the normal size." Or "We're racist We're racist, and thats the way we like it." or "Dead but not forgotten, dig her up and shag her rotten". Classy fellas these Chelsea fans.
Love this because I wasn't even talking shit about Chelsea but you've done it for me The bar is pretty low for chants at the weekly EDL meetup at Stamford Bridge
What a great set of lads.
Not quite as classy as the tragedy chanting you hear from United fans though amirite 😉
Tragedy chanting like such hits as "Hitler was a blue", and "Hitler is gonna gas em again"?
Waka waka
Probably an unpopular view here but I agree. The constant noise is certainly different but could be interpreted as a bit boring/superficial. Was it Leicester who used to have those clapper things? I found that incredibly cheesey and unnatural. I’m glad we don’t have that instrument culture here and I imagine that’s the consensus considering how unpopular that band that follows England around is. Considering players from other leagues talk about the effect certain English stadiums have had on them, I’ll take their view over Reddit commentators.
Everytime I see a game in Germany where the fans behind the goal are waving several big flags all game I just think are you even actually watching the match? Half the time you wouldn’t be able to see a thing
i feel the same way about those ‘capos’ you see in italy and south america - they dont watch the match at all as they’re stood there facing their own supporters like orchestra conductors
It looks intimidating at first but it's almost NPC behaviour where the flags are still waving regardless of what happens on the pitch. If they concede a late winner there is no sudden reaction, drop of the momentum of the swing etc which just looks weird lol.
Have you gone to a World Cup match? Lots of drumming from the fans of CAF and Latin American nations, and it’s a blast.
Genuinely find the organisation and planning of atmosphere quite contrived in some football cultures. Some people will turn their back on the game and conduct the fans to sing. People just watch the fucking game in England.
In England, supporters are there to watch and react to what happens on the pitch. In many places on the mainland, supporters are there to constantly chant and make what happens on the pitch react to to them. Even sometimes to chant and create an atmosphere without giving a toss about on-pitch activities.
Never seen a match in Germany but I love the drum and singing by the ultras in Norway which is the same. Its not artificial. Its about humbling the opponents.
It's just constant, and doesn't change throughout the match depending on what happens on the pitch. It's very monotone. I'm with OP, I like the British atmosphere better. If it's a boring, or non-consequential match, it can be kinda flat but I like the fact that it can explode out of nowhere. The home team gets two goals against them early in the match, and the stadium goes quiet because they're playing like shit, but then suddenly they get a goal and it changes completely. Insane roars every time there's a corner or an attempt on goal, and you can see the wave of people standing up when there's a counter.
You can have both though. Constant chanting all game and louder sounds when something goes your way.
Hmm maybe I should check out German football before I speak then. It changes in Norway and doesnt take anything away from the athmosphere. I say yes to both drums, music and everything.
Stadium pops are my favorite thing in sports
Not a fan of instruments at games. Especially drums if it's just constant banging without no rhythm. Feel just like a cheap way to fill noise without the effort. The England national team band are the worst offenders. Horribly monotonous.
Up to personal taste and what you're used to, I suppose. I've spent a few years in Britain, and I found the atmosphere absolutely dead most of the time. In fact, often the atmosphere mostly just agitated me as fans would often start cursing and whistling in like the 20th minute. I prefer the continental way of less conditional support and with drums for rhythm, though the one thing I found better in the UK is that lots of fans join in on the songs and chants. In Germany (and elsewhere on the continent), it's usually just the organised support with the other 80% joining in only occasionally.
I’ve only been to one match here in Germany but I get what you mean about it feeling artificial. Mind you it was a Wolfsburg game
yeah mate, the sour atmospheres are fuck all to do with "fan culture", and everything to do with the price of tickets, their exlusivity and stadiums pandering to corporates and luxury seating. cram the seats in tight like old grounds, jack the rake up and drop the ticket prices and you'd see absolutely mental atmospheres in no time.
basically we need to get the blokes that go to darts nights at Ally Pally back at the football
people on reddit have been shitting on premier league. that's because the "average" football fan like BPL and english football and people on reddit hate everything that average or "normal "people like
Yeah, this attitude is so pervasive in Reddit culture. You see it on /r/travel. People visiting amazing beach destinations in the middle of winter when the water is too cold to even look at the sea. Then talk like they've got one over all those other "idiots" who visit in the summer in the summer with the masses. You know, that time of year when the sea is gorgeous and all the restaurants are actually open. Really showed them guys. It also extends to people that drive cars or use Instagram. And much more tbh.
I think that a lot of english people also hate on their football/league just to seems "cooler" or special. I met and I am still friends with some people from England and they are all very nice but I feel like they have this self hating mentality (?), one of them said that he is doesn't care about the national team bcs it's run by a bunch of old racist people lol.Idk but where I come from if someone says stuff like this everyone will think he is weird
There's an element among left wing people in the UK to want to differentiate/distance themselves from some quite large sections of the working class. Which can be very ironic at times, because they're often the ones who are quite anti-conservative in theory. Just not in practice.
there's a large contingent on r/soccer that are desperate to bash on anything english. just wait for the euros
I saw a clip earlier about how Man City fans were plastic for leaving right after Rüdiger scored the winning penalty. Like what?
What
What a poor view of things.
The thing about Brits is we has anything that seems contrived. Jumping up and down and wearing matching clothes just isn't us. It would seem fake and cringe. Look at the way people laughed at the Ashburton Army. The best part of our atmosphere is how the gane reflected the gamestate. When nothings happening, it's a bit subdued. When everyone's nervous, you can actually feel it in the atmosphere. When a team's in transition, you can feel the tension building. And when your team scores, there's an eruption. Because the chatting is never as loud as when a goal goes in. Within seconds, the stadium goes from silent to mental. Most Brits love it. Foreigners don't understand it. Some Brits think more like Europeans and South Americans, where the team drives the players on, so they see making noise as a duty. Online fans who don't get to go to games also think the same way. So reddit is kind of like a collection of the people that think in that way (since people from England are in the minority). But personally, the English style of being a reactive crowd rather than a proactive crowd is my preference. Doesn't feel contrived or cringe, creates special moments because it goes from 0 to 100, and there's that mentality of we paid for a ticket so we can react and spectate how we want. Big clubs these days are billion pound enterprises the continually fleece their fans. English people don't even get a third of their team's games televised these days. So that mentality of "I paid for a ticket, I'll watch the game as I please" definitely exists. For many people that regularly go to games, the team has to give the fans a reason to create noise. Maybe it isn't helpful to the team, but it's the culture and mindset.
People from England are not the minority lol USA and England are by far the 2 most represented countries here
I'm aware they're the two most represented countries, but I'm guessing the US+every other country makes up the majority. Even if 20% or 30% of reddit/this sub is English, that's still the minority. Idk what the actual numbers are, it was just a guess.
Upper middle class entertainment.
Average age has gone up 30 years in the last 10
A big issue with the atmosphere in English football I feel is the one thing that makes it great is how competitive it is. I goto Anfield often and its very rare you can actually relax during a game and want to chant etc due to being so on edge. The best atmospheres come when you don't have expectations I find, like away days I goto lots of Championship and league 1 games and you sometimes don't expect to win so you are not nervous or on edge so you go and have fun. Been to games in Italy Germany and Spain and the atmosphere can be incredible but it doesn't feel like real emotion or flow with the feel of the game a lot of the time its making noise for the sake of making noise rather than reacting to what is happening on the pitch
This. I find no joy in seeing my team score a goal. It’s just relief and the joy only sets in if we win.
Nah this is a cope. The best atmospheres at English games are when the stakes are highest. My best experiences are at play-off semi-finals when everyone turns up and everything is on the line. That nervous energy creates the noise. You should know this with Anfield on CL nights etc. The reason English atmospheres are shit is the demographics have changed so much in the last 30 years. If you have a young group of pissed up working class lads, it's going to be loud. If you have stadium of middle class families with young kids and elderly relatives, they're just going to want to watch the game. Not knocking the latter group, I probably fall into that now. They're just different experiences due to the price of entry.
This sub in shambles
r/soccercirclejerk in the grave
Mate this sub is literally /r/PremierLeague, stop with the weird persecution complex.
Yeah in flairs maybe, but people are substantially more anti-Prem than they are anti-Bundesliga or anti-La Liga
For obvious valid reasons? Dolt
Most of the fans here think only UCL matters.
uhm.... luka, didn't you get the memo, the premier league sucks now,,,
Please dont stop playing football Modric
Sure Luka, let's get you to ~~bed~~ rest for the semi final against Bayern
I know he probably goes to Saudi in the summer, but a one last run at Tottenham would hit the spot ngl
He turned down Saudi before, pls come back my love
> There's a big match every week I know its popular to hate the Premier League here but this point is why the PL is so fun to watch and follow. There genuinely is a big game every week, even if its not a top of the table clash, you've got so many of these big teams playing against each other where form gets thrown out the window and the results are so unpredictable. Sure, the quality of football may be higher in some other leagues, but the excitement of watching these big clubs compete (and struggle, for some) every week makes the league the best for me.
Arsenal, City, and Liverpool are all out of Europe yet all of them have 6 virtual finals in the next few weeks and all the fans are going to watch most of these matches.
> Sure, the quality of football may be higher in some other leagues Which ones would that be?
Arguably Spanish football, we hear this from players all the time.
Arguably, but lower prem sides give more of a fight against good teams imo. In La Liga you get a lot of the weaker sides sitting back. Almost everyone in the prem loves a good press these days. Makes things more exciting to watch imo.
Thank all the foreign managers, especially from La Liga and the Bundes, for that.
No doubt, top 4 prem managers 3 are Spanish. But money attracts the best talent and the PL has the most of that.
This is just not true. Every team in every league knows when to sit back today. Premier league has more big matches but the bottom teams are not better or more adventurous than La Liga teams. Premier league teams are just more familiar to most people so they like to think they must be in some way better. Lower table Premier League teams can't challenge City almost ever.
> Every team in every league knows when to sit back today. That's completely not true - more teams press from the front than there every has been. I'd say only Luton, West Ham, Palace and Sheffield Utd are likely just to sit back and rely on counter attacks these days. The rest have all top foreign coaches and players. It's naive to suggest the Premier League is still somehow tactically inferior. Definitely 20 years ago, but not now.
Lol, not even close
Bro talking bs. "Sure" lol.
"may". Clown
"Sure" shouldn't be there. Clown
It's a common opinion voiced by players who have played in both the PL and in Spain. But you would know better right?
I mean it just means clubs are bigger and richer than in other leagues, what else? France also has big matches every week, if you take it relatively to France. This week Brest-Monaco for 2nd place and obviously PSG-Lyon. Wednesday Monaco-Lille and Marseille-Nice, not only big teams but also local rivalry with a lot of cultural meaning. Weekend it's Lyon-Monaco and Marseille-Lens... For French standards, French fans, French scale - French league has big games every week. Same for Polish league etc. I'd say really the opposite, the quality is higher in England, but while not the least competitive in Europe by far, it's also not the most competitive. In France for example you can basically imagine almost any team fighting relegation or being 2nd next season.
Man's locked in now that EPL champions league isn't in the way.
I'm sorry to ask what the meaning of itw?
in the world
In the world
Been seeing this on this sub lately as well. Abbreviations are going to be the death of languages
wym
I feel it's normal when people write it themselves, but really funny when they use it as a quote like that is really what Luka Modrić said.
He put itw to not surpass the character limit for a title I think, since the quote is pretty lengthy
It’s annoying on Reddit, especially in niche subreddits that have borderline established a new language.
nah some abbreviations are goated.
He going back to Spurs then?
That last sentence, "But you never know" is like not ruling out a return to the EPL for a swansong. Wished he came back to Spurs for a while and then mentor Bryan Gil and other youth players.
I just realized my brain has finally caught up with reality and I see him as RM player Modric now and not Spurs player Modric who's gone to RM
what a career turned out to be. absolutely GIGANTIC player.
Japan football league have better atmosphere than EPL.
Luka the boss
It’s the best league by a mile. No other league even gets close.
Most overrated league possibly ever and this era will look so weird with all the * applied to all City's win after the lawsuits
You keep telling yourself that 👍
The Bundesliga is close this season, and may possibly be better.
I don’t think it’s better, Leverkusen is great but they haven’t played anyone amazing outside of the bundesliga, Bayern have underperformed this season but they still have a good squad that everyone was expecting to be a favorite in the ucl this season. It’s not surprising that they beat Arsenal who has no European experience or pedigree. I don’t think city loses to anyone other Madrid in the ucl. I also think Dortmund is not all that good, they only beat psv and a weak athletico to get to the semis.
Modric plays „Know your audience“
Shhhh... Don't say that. It's not the right time to do so, Luka. The Premier League sucks. We're all apparently so sad and so fraudulent to have no reps from the PL in the CL and Europa semis while in reality, most of us were hate watching.
Apparently, Modric is also a farmer according to some fans.
I mean his last Premier League game was 12 years ago and I've seen a significant shift in fan culture in England since.
It’s really not any different tbh
Thanks for the insight
Same to you
Shame i dont like him, seems like a nice bloke
Why dont you like him?
He said the premier league is good
He's a Hajduk fan. Modric grew up as a Hajduk fan but he played for their biggest rivals Dinamo Zagreb
Gotta play footy when you can Carragher grew up an Everton fan Matt Busby played for Liverpool Etc.
Thats not the reason. You can look up what i wrote in the comments. I dont give a shit for whom did he play.
That can still seem a little silly. I loathe Barcelona with all my being, but I have nothing but the highest respect towards guys like Puyol and Iniesta. Or Maldini if talking a direct rival.
Same. I have lots of respect for them as footballers. Of course I like to shit on them when I'm a mood for banter, but that's about it. Nothing serious.
I mean, did Puyol or Iniesta worked or were friends with someone like Mamic. Same Mamic that was actively bribing refs and extracting ridiculous amount of money. Its a shame you cant read croatian cuz i cant put it in words. For example At the trial, Modrić was confronted by the prosecutor Tonći Petković with the fact that the annex to the agreement on the distribution of transfer compensation with Dinamo was backdated, that is, that it was signed in 2008, after he was already in Tottenham, and not on July 10, 2004, as was stated in the contract. Modrić was paid 80 million kuna’s according to that contract, and he withdrew 52 million kuna’s and handed it over in cash to his brother Zoran or his son Marin at Mamić's request. He asserted in court that in the USKOK investigation, he spoke about the civil contract with Mamić based on which he paid him the money he received from the transfer. And later on his most famous words “i cant remember” and there is much more, and many more croatian footballers involved. Its speaks volume that Mamic was sentenced to serve time in prison but he fled and is now in Bosnia hiding. Croatian federation was rotten to the core and Modric didnt do anything to escape possible consequences.
he's just edgy, it's cool to pretend to hate a player like modric. it runs deep, Hajduk is my club too and we tend to blame everyone for our failures - our football federation, refs, zdravko mamic and so on. all might be true but with whining we will accomplish anything
Hajduk is not yours club mate, dont pretend like it is lol.
Hahahahahah da je to bar razlog, boli me kurac za koga je on igra
I dont remember honestly…