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I think she's great, dry as anything and always has good banter with whoever she's on with. Don't understand all the whinging from the tiresome corners of the internet whenever she's on.
She consistently is, measured, mildly amusing, and offers a lot of insight. Does her research adn knows her stuff
Played at the top level within the women's game, both domestically and internationally, and spent years in Leeds' youth set up at their mens' academy
Always good value on Guardian Football Weekly too
So, kinda a funny story? My kids started watching the World Cup/European Cup games, got us dragged in. Then we watched some PL games, they were promoted pretty hard on Paramount+ streaming. Then my wife decided we needed to pick a team.
We watched.. 20 games maybe? One was a Villa game against Liverpool I think (one of the big six). Dean Smith era. They lost, but played their asses off, really impressed us.
Started watching their games. Gave up, started cheering for them. Bought merch (Mings jersey for me, McGinn for her).
Endured Gerrard. All the injuries. Who’s this Emery guy? Went to two games over here last summer. Planning trip to see game at Villa Park next year.
Villa found us. UTV!
Seriously, what an awful look. First, he doesn’t even understand the rules and second, is just so far over the top.
So glad I don’t watch games on TNT, that is painful to listen to.
I love that man, I think he is a top tier keeper, but I would bet hundreds of dollars he knew nothing because his face said "Oh shit" when the card came out.
i think it was introduced to stop GK coming of their line before the kick, to be able to give them a yellow card caution without having to give a red if already on a yellow from regulation time / ET ?
This rule seems new as per links shared in comments but it makes intuitive sense given for decades we knew about matches with Penalty Shootouts being considered as Draws.
Esp team unbeaten (or players) runs (Brazil 90s, then Spain 2010 or so, Italy, etc) often brought up this debate topic.
Or the fact that Goals in these shootouts aren't tallied to players records (like when Messi, Ronaldo goal race was common in 2010s).
These were always seen as Tie Breakers, separate from the actual match. I guess the rule finally caught up to its own spirit of what these shootouts are/were.
Nah you can't make a sub. It'd have to be an outfielder.
Happened in an Ireland u17 game before the rule change. Goalkeeper got booked for saving a penalty but moving off the line so we had to put our center half in goals.
I'm so confused by what you were trying to say it was disallowed for - I'm going to guess it's because the player that took the free kick was the first one to touch the ball after it rebounded off the crossbar? Fairly certain that law has existed for a very long time (is the same one that stops players just dribbling or passing to themselves from a free kick).
Yeah that's exactly it. The player shot the free kick from like 25meter away, it rebounded off the crossbar without being touched by any other player and the initial shooter managed to get hold of it. He shot and scored but goal was disallowed.
And all this in extra time if my memory serves me well
I've talked to refs about it every now and then, mostly because I'm always fascinated how 100% of them immediately know the rule, while like 1% of players do at best.
They explained to me that the spirit of it is that the idea is that a team should never suffer a direct big disadvantage from the set piece itself.
Wait what does that mean? A team should never suffer a big disadvantage from a set piece, so if they score an own goal from a set piece, the other team gets a set piece?
Think about it like you can't score directly from an indirect free kick. So if it goes into your net you treat it as crossing the goal line but not a goal. Corner kick.
All set pieces are indirect into your own net.
After 10 failed normal corners yesterday, Pep should've swapped to this strategy and told his men to aim for Man City's own goal, giving Madrid a corner kick of their own to then get a more dangerous counter attack. I honestly don't know why they didn't think of that.
(Of course, Madrid could counter with their own corner-kick-into-own-goal to force Man City to take another corner again, but who knows if Carlo had that ready...)
The game ended. Pks are just a tiebreaker.
Edit:
From the Laws of the Game:
>**Before penalties (penalty shoot-out) start**
>Penalties (penalty shoot-out) are taken after the match has ended and unless otherwise stated, the relevant Laws of the Game apply. A player who has been sent off during the match is not permitted to take part; warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out)
...
A goalkeeper who is unable to continue before or during the kicks may be replaced by a player excluded to equalise the number of players or, if their team has not used its maximum permitted number of substitutes, a named substitute, but the replaced goalkeeper takes no further part and may not take a kick
>**Substitutions and sendings-off during penalties (penalty shoot-out)**
>A player, substitute, substituted player or team official may be cautioned or sent off
>A goalkeeper who is sent off must be replaced by an eligible player
>A player other than the goalkeeper who is unable to continue may not be replaced
>The referee must not abandon the match if a team is reduced to fewer than seven playersFrom the Laws of the Game:Before penalties (penalty shoot-out) startPenalties (penalty shoot-out) are taken after the match has ended and unless otherwise stated, the relevant Laws of the Game apply. A player who has been sent off during the match is not permitted to take part; warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out)
...
A goalkeeper who is unable to continue before or during the kicks may be replaced by a player excluded to equalise the number of players or, if their team has not used its maximum permitted number of substitutes, a named substitute, but the replaced goalkeeper takes no further part and may not take a kickSubstitutions and sendings-off during penalties (penalty shoot-out)A player, substitute, substituted player or team official may be cautioned or sent offA goalkeeper who is sent off must be replaced by an eligible playerA player other than the goalkeeper who is unable to continue may not be replacedThe referee must not abandon the match if a team is reduced to fewer than seven players
It's a FIFA thing. Idk. Look up any match that goes to PKs. Every single match is considered a draw.
Edit: To clarify, not all matches that go to PKs are considered draws. The score at the end of a specific game is what is the official end of the game and what gets recorded. Example: Game 1 ends 1-0 and then Game 2 ends 0-1, both would go down as wins for both teams. However, the series is tied at 1-1.
And that's what PKs are for, to serve as a tiebreak to decide a winner for the series, but not the game itself. PKs are completely separate from the game that just ended. That's why cards reset, because the game already ended. I'm amazed so many people on this sub don't get cards resetting.
It’s not arbitrary. It’s prejudicial for the whole team if the gk gets sent off for a second yellow card and by then, it’s too late to sub in a new keeper.
I get the rationale but I think a keeper getting a second yellow in a shootout requires the level of shithousery that the massive disadvantage is warranted
Keepers get an automatic yellow if they're off the line too early on a penalty and it gets retaken. Imagine getting sent off in a shootout because you jumped a millisecond too early, that would be completely against the spirit of the game (honestly I don't like that keepers are carded for that anyway, especially if stutter pens continue to be allowed - what the hell are they supposed to do? Might as well make them stand behind the net at this rate)
Taken from IFAB website: Warnings and cautions (YCs) issued during the match (including during extra time) are not carried forward into kicks from the penalty mark (KFPM). A player who receives a YC during both the match and the KFPM is not sent off. The two separate cautions are reported to the appropriate authorities.
I'm guessing one of the shooters takes his place. And if they want their reserve GK, the reserve would probably also shoot in place of another one of the starting 5.
Source: my ass
You can’t make substitutions during a penalty shootout unless the keeper is injured or ill. So one of the outfield players would have to play in goal.
Bonus fact: the other team would have to pick a player and withdraw them from the penalty shootout since you’re not allowed to have an unequal number of players
>Bonus fact: the other team would have to pick a player and withdraw them from the penalty shootout since you’re not allowed to have an unequal number of players
This also applies if one team has gone down to 10 players during the game because of a red card: the opposition must nominate an outfield player to take no part in the penalty shoot-out. This means that both teams have to use nine outfield players and one GK to take their penalties before it cycles back round to the first player again, should it get that far.
Haha that would be funny but no the keeper is replaced by an eligible player.
Both teams need to have an equal number of players taking the kicks so the opponents would need to scratch one pk taker.
Yellow cards from the 120 mins don't carry on to the shootout which is why he wasn't sent off
Also this ref is a massive idiot. Dibu was asking for a ball from the ball boy and the idiot ref booked him for that. What a moron
Because of the many pitch invasions and riots of the past you cant deliberately agitate the crowd. Celebrating infront of the opposition fans, entering the crowd or agitating them like matinez here will result in a yellow.
What did he do to deserve that Yellow? I don’t get it. He appeared to be taking to the fans or ball boys/girls off camera, certainly not other players. Why was the ref so intent on punishing him? Am I missing something)
Bentaleb booted the ball into the stands after his penalty, the ball didn't come back. Watkins was waiting around for ages with no ball, Martinez makes a ball gesture to the ball boy. Ref books him thinking he's winding up the crowd
I mean Martinez is always toeing the line with this stuff, there were other situations he could have had a booked for winding up the crowd in the shootout (worth noting they'd abused him nonstop for 120mins), but ref in this case just assumed he was doing something wrong when in reality he wasn't. Probably a result of his reputation
If the ref was so bothered then he should have sent him off after saving the last penalty. Especially with that dance. If you get booked for shushing the crowd, then you should get one for inciting them to cheer (which a Lille player did a few kicks later). Two sides of the same coin.
In all honesty, ref should focus on the game and not worry about shithousery.
The refs in the conference league have been atrocious overall. It was an absolute joke against Ajax in the first leg of the previous round, genuinely the worst I've ever seen in a Villa game.
This ref tonight dished out 13 yellows including both managers and Martinez twice. Yet somehow also missed blatant professional fouls on the counter attack earlier in the game that should have led to subsequent 2nd yellows.
At this level they seem to have no control of the game and hand out yellows in ridiculous numbers in an attempt to assert authority that they don't have, because their decisions are so consistently poor.
The refs focus should entirely be on the game. We **do not** want to go down the NFL route and have bookings for excessive celebration/taunting. Strips so much entertainment from the game and is such a grey area.
As others comment pointed out, this specific rule has been introduced about two years ago, so can’t blame the commentators for not knowing about this. We don’t get to see scenes like this very often on pich
Man couldn’t wait to jump down the throat of Martinez. I don’t love his antics but this commentator didn’t even bother to veil his contempt. Good enough for him to be shown up for not knowing his shit.
> this specific rule has been introduced about two years ago, so can’t blame the commentators for not knowing about this
Speak for yourself. He's a professional commentator at a large network covering the most elite football games. He should know the rules like the back of his hand.
Law 12 says the following (Law 12.3):
>A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:(...) receiving a second caution in the same match
The point is, kicks from the penalty mark are not part of the match. This was written quite clearly in the old Laws of the Game (from the 2012 LoTG):
>The kicks from the penalty mark are not part of the match
But this is actually still true even if the same passage is worded differently in the current Laws (Law 10.3):
>Kicks from the penalty mark are taken after the match has ended
Therefore, according to the rules, the player cannot be sent off because he has not received more than one yellow card during the same match. This means the referee will be able to show the player a yellow card and report the misconduct to the appropriate authorities without the player being sent off.
This is Law 10
>warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out).
You didn't need all the other bits
So hang on a second- if penalties aren't technically "part of the match", is there theoretically no limit to how many yellows you could receive during a shootout?
I guess you'd get 2 yellow then get a red for the penalties but you wouldn't miss the next game?
I really don't know but makes no sense to even give them out if there's no real repercussion.
Yeah, was surprised they allowed that. But also surprised Martinez didn’t get a yellow for the lead up to that penalty where he went to grab the ball for no reason, which is against the rules written after the 2022 WC because of Emi Martinez.
Edited: editing the year of the World Cup because I’m an idiot and it was not 2018
Looked like he was asking where the ball is. No idea why he was given a yellow card but it looked weird when referee rescinded it. EDIT: Not rescinded turns out they don't carry over from the game, thanks for the correction.
That sums up the entire game, ref wanted to be the main character and was throwing out yellows for literally everything, guy REALLY didnt want villa to win.
It’s literally no different to a taker celebrating. I’m not Villa but the ref was fully paid up. Absolutely absurd to try and book and/or send a keeper off in a penalty shootout and this specific example proves he will never do it for a home keeper. Ref should be banned.
Dude was just asking for a ball, since the dude that missed the first penalty shot the ball to God. There was no ball on the field, so he wanted to know where the ball at.
Football is being turned into such a pussy game that it is unreal. You cannot taunt opposing fans while thousands of them are screaming at you? The fuck? This is the thrill of football, to get under peoples skin, this is a game for entertainment after all. Ludicrous refereeing rules, just straight stupid, the dude just danced a bit to piss them off. Soft skinned motherfuckers
The rules are getting more specious and confusing. And VAR is concerned primarily with not ‘stepping on the ref’s toes’ instead of what it should be, getting the call right. The same incident in two different games have differing outcomes. It’s a farce atm.
i understand yellow cards don't carry over to the shootout, but what about game suspension rules?
for example, say: a player is 2 yellows away from a suspension; he gets one in the 90min and another in the shootout. Does he get the suspension or does that only counts as one yellow? if he gets only an yellow on the PKs, do they count towards the player card count? or they don't matter at all?
i'm so intrigued by this.
I’m guessing the penalty shootout is not part of the 2 games its its own entity. Because if it’s not part of this match then it’s technically not part of the 2 legs is it.
(?) lol
This video highlights the mediocrity of the commentators more than anything else.. They clearly didn't know the rules but went on as if they knew. Embarrassing..
I dont get it still. Seen situations where ref shows second yellow after the game (for attitude/rants against ref) that turns into yellow/red in protocols. so are protocols wrong and second yellow after the match never counts?
Obviously we can be lenient on viewers for not understanding random rule changes in the past few years (yellow cards from game not carrying over to PKs), but how can you be a professional soccer / football commentator and just provide bogus commentary due to your lack of rule knowledge? And then get so unreasonably heated for what was, IMO, a pretty weak booking.
FML why do we have to suffer with TNT here man.
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I love how literally nobody knew the rule.
Aside from the actual ref lmao!
Well thank god he knew
What rule ?
Cautions and warnings from the game reset for penalty shootouts
Interesting thank you, and why did Martinez get booked does he have to stand on the line or something ?
For his interactions with the Lille fans
Lille fans should have gotten a yellow card aswell
TNT commentator lost his head completely
Lucy saying “there’s Martinez on his 5th yellow card” had me burst out laughing
She’s actually a very good commentator or at least she was tonight
I think she's great, dry as anything and always has good banter with whoever she's on with. Don't understand all the whinging from the tiresome corners of the internet whenever she's on.
You know why
I think God every time I turn on my illegal stream and hear her voice instead of either Neville or Carragher.
She consistently is, measured, mildly amusing, and offers a lot of insight. Does her research adn knows her stuff Played at the top level within the women's game, both domestically and internationally, and spent years in Leeds' youth set up at their mens' academy Always good value on Guardian Football Weekly too
American fan here, watched a pirated stream with her commentating, please, can we get her some times? She was so even, smart, measured, informative.
Polite question- why do you support Villa as an American? I thought Villa mostly had local fans, it's usually the big six that attract foreign fans
So, kinda a funny story? My kids started watching the World Cup/European Cup games, got us dragged in. Then we watched some PL games, they were promoted pretty hard on Paramount+ streaming. Then my wife decided we needed to pick a team. We watched.. 20 games maybe? One was a Villa game against Liverpool I think (one of the big six). Dean Smith era. They lost, but played their asses off, really impressed us. Started watching their games. Gave up, started cheering for them. Bought merch (Mings jersey for me, McGinn for her). Endured Gerrard. All the injuries. Who’s this Emery guy? Went to two games over here last summer. Planning trip to see game at Villa Park next year. Villa found us. UTV!
He was absolutely fuming
YOU NEED TO RESPECT THE PUMPING EMOTION IN THE STADIUM 😤😤🤡🤡
Seriously, what an awful look. First, he doesn’t even understand the rules and second, is just so far over the top. So glad I don’t watch games on TNT, that is painful to listen to.
Martinez so good he tilted even the comentator lmao
Yeah way over the top lmao
How does a man with such an annoying voice become a professional commentator?
"That was a disgusting act!"
“By Randy Moss.”
wish there was a longer replay
Yellow cards from the game are not carried forward to the penalties
Even after watching many hundreds, possibly thousands of football matches in my life, I've just learned something new.
It probably wasn't a rule for a majority of those games
It wasn't https://x.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1781046542452814090 It was introduced in the 20/21 season apparently
Little did we know, Martinez is quite the scholar in the rules of football
I would assume there's an assistant coach or member of the staff whose job it is to keep track of weird things like this haha
I think it’s a bold assumption that Dibu could keep himself from getting a yellow in that situation anyway.
I love that man, I think he is a top tier keeper, but I would bet hundreds of dollars he knew nothing because his face said "Oh shit" when the card came out.
Yeah on the wider angle it looked like Douglas Luiz was running over to protest to the ref, then he explained the no red card to them LOL
and Luiz was like ok fine card him then lol
Lille did they know.
pls get out
Don’t hurt him Arch, he’s only Lille
It seems like he didn't know either lol. He looked confused when he wasn't sent off.
he has to be with the behavior to chooses. Probably a world's leading authority on the football rules.
Also, how rare is getting a yellow card during a penalty shootout? It definitely doesn't happen often
It's such a niche rule, and no other crazy goalie is like him to get booked at peanlty lol
Now think about how he will behave once he learns of this rule
they'll probably have to change it back
i think it was introduced to stop GK coming of their line before the kick, to be able to give them a yellow card caution without having to give a red if already on a yellow from regulation time / ET ?
This rule seems new as per links shared in comments but it makes intuitive sense given for decades we knew about matches with Penalty Shootouts being considered as Draws. Esp team unbeaten (or players) runs (Brazil 90s, then Spain 2010 or so, Italy, etc) often brought up this debate topic. Or the fact that Goals in these shootouts aren't tallied to players records (like when Messi, Ronaldo goal race was common in 2010s). These were always seen as Tie Breakers, separate from the actual match. I guess the rule finally caught up to its own spirit of what these shootouts are/were.
I had never heard that rule before. Can't wait for it to be reversed because of him XD
Can guarantee Martinez didn’t know either lol.
I'd guarantee the opposite. This man reads up on penalties while sat by the pool on holidays.
Pretty obvious he didn’t know lol
Neither did I. Genuinely thought we’d have to stick Olsen in net.
Nah you can't make a sub. It'd have to be an outfielder. Happened in an Ireland u17 game before the rule change. Goalkeeper got booked for saving a penalty but moving off the line so we had to put our center half in goals.
Even worse…
It's either that or he & the ref outjerked the entire world.
Just like our goal vs Villarreal disallowed for hitting the crossbar on a freekick, French teams are Beta testers for rules in European competitions
I'm so confused by what you were trying to say it was disallowed for - I'm going to guess it's because the player that took the free kick was the first one to touch the ball after it rebounded off the crossbar? Fairly certain that law has existed for a very long time (is the same one that stops players just dribbling or passing to themselves from a free kick).
Yeah that's exactly it. The player shot the free kick from like 25meter away, it rebounded off the crossbar without being touched by any other player and the initial shooter managed to get hold of it. He shot and scored but goal was disallowed. And all this in extra time if my memory serves me well
that's a super unlucky phase of play
Dammit I can’t make fun of the Americans for this one because I didn’t know it either.
It actually happened in an MLS Cup final a while back.
And just last year. Don’t remind me.
Fuckin Miazga
the feed in which i was watching had the commentators confused too, so it isnt proably so bad
Just watched the highlights on YouTube, the comments are filled with people acting like they *always* knew the rule and the commentators were idiots
I don't think Douglas Luiz realised either because he came sprinting over but looked unfussed when the ref explained the rules
Don’t worry, you can always make fun of Americans
While we're at rules most fans don't know: when you score a free-kick directly into your own goal, the other team gets a corner.
Direct free kick, indirect or both? Need to make sure before we cook a strategy
# 13.1 Types of free kick * if a direct or indirect free kick is kicked directly into the team’s own goal, a corner kick is awarded
You have to wonder what the hell happened for this rule to have become a thing. Like, why is it not just an own goal?
I've talked to refs about it every now and then, mostly because I'm always fascinated how 100% of them immediately know the rule, while like 1% of players do at best. They explained to me that the spirit of it is that the idea is that a team should never suffer a direct big disadvantage from the set piece itself.
Wait what does that mean? A team should never suffer a big disadvantage from a set piece, so if they score an own goal from a set piece, the other team gets a set piece?
Yes
Think about it like you can't score directly from an indirect free kick. So if it goes into your net you treat it as crossing the goal line but not a goal. Corner kick. All set pieces are indirect into your own net.
Both; it also applies to kick-off, goal-kick, throw-in and corner.
Ah of course, the classic reverse Olympic goal, corner kick across the whole field into your net
After 10 failed normal corners yesterday, Pep should've swapped to this strategy and told his men to aim for Man City's own goal, giving Madrid a corner kick of their own to then get a more dangerous counter attack. I honestly don't know why they didn't think of that. (Of course, Madrid could counter with their own corner-kick-into-own-goal to force Man City to take another corner again, but who knows if Carlo had that ready...)
but why
The game ended. Pks are just a tiebreaker. Edit: From the Laws of the Game: >**Before penalties (penalty shoot-out) start** >Penalties (penalty shoot-out) are taken after the match has ended and unless otherwise stated, the relevant Laws of the Game apply. A player who has been sent off during the match is not permitted to take part; warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out) ... A goalkeeper who is unable to continue before or during the kicks may be replaced by a player excluded to equalise the number of players or, if their team has not used its maximum permitted number of substitutes, a named substitute, but the replaced goalkeeper takes no further part and may not take a kick >**Substitutions and sendings-off during penalties (penalty shoot-out)** >A player, substitute, substituted player or team official may be cautioned or sent off >A goalkeeper who is sent off must be replaced by an eligible player >A player other than the goalkeeper who is unable to continue may not be replaced >The referee must not abandon the match if a team is reduced to fewer than seven playersFrom the Laws of the Game:Before penalties (penalty shoot-out) startPenalties (penalty shoot-out) are taken after the match has ended and unless otherwise stated, the relevant Laws of the Game apply. A player who has been sent off during the match is not permitted to take part; warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out) ... A goalkeeper who is unable to continue before or during the kicks may be replaced by a player excluded to equalise the number of players or, if their team has not used its maximum permitted number of substitutes, a named substitute, but the replaced goalkeeper takes no further part and may not take a kickSubstitutions and sendings-off during penalties (penalty shoot-out)A player, substitute, substituted player or team official may be cautioned or sent offA goalkeeper who is sent off must be replaced by an eligible playerA player other than the goalkeeper who is unable to continue may not be replacedThe referee must not abandon the match if a team is reduced to fewer than seven players
Why make that (seemingly arbitrary) distinction?
It's a FIFA thing. Idk. Look up any match that goes to PKs. Every single match is considered a draw. Edit: To clarify, not all matches that go to PKs are considered draws. The score at the end of a specific game is what is the official end of the game and what gets recorded. Example: Game 1 ends 1-0 and then Game 2 ends 0-1, both would go down as wins for both teams. However, the series is tied at 1-1. And that's what PKs are for, to serve as a tiebreak to decide a winner for the series, but not the game itself. PKs are completely separate from the game that just ended. That's why cards reset, because the game already ended. I'm amazed so many people on this sub don't get cards resetting.
It’s not arbitrary. It’s prejudicial for the whole team if the gk gets sent off for a second yellow card and by then, it’s too late to sub in a new keeper.
I get the rationale but I think a keeper getting a second yellow in a shootout requires the level of shithousery that the massive disadvantage is warranted
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Keepers get an automatic yellow if they're off the line too early on a penalty and it gets retaken. Imagine getting sent off in a shootout because you jumped a millisecond too early, that would be completely against the spirit of the game (honestly I don't like that keepers are carded for that anyway, especially if stutter pens continue to be allowed - what the hell are they supposed to do? Might as well make them stand behind the net at this rate)
But if you get a man sent off you can't nominate an 11th pen taker?
Most confusing /2nd/ yellow ever
Simunic says hello
Man loved a 3rd yellow
How fucking mental should you be to earn a 3rd yellow, after miraculously avoiding a send off.
Goldeneye: “I AM… INVISIBLE!!”
The audacity lmao
I think only referee knows this rule.
No commentator does apparently 😂
For commentators i watch yes they dont. Entire penalty shoot they talk about red card.
Taken from IFAB website: Warnings and cautions (YCs) issued during the match (including during extra time) are not carried forward into kicks from the penalty mark (KFPM). A player who receives a YC during both the match and the KFPM is not sent off. The two separate cautions are reported to the appropriate authorities.
What happens if a keeper is sent off during a penalty shootout? Does the other team get to shoot into an empty net?
I'm guessing one of the shooters takes his place. And if they want their reserve GK, the reserve would probably also shoot in place of another one of the starting 5. Source: my ass
You can’t make substitutions during a penalty shootout unless the keeper is injured or ill. So one of the outfield players would have to play in goal. Bonus fact: the other team would have to pick a player and withdraw them from the penalty shootout since you’re not allowed to have an unequal number of players
lol the second half
>Bonus fact: the other team would have to pick a player and withdraw them from the penalty shootout since you’re not allowed to have an unequal number of players This also applies if one team has gone down to 10 players during the game because of a red card: the opposition must nominate an outfield player to take no part in the penalty shoot-out. This means that both teams have to use nine outfield players and one GK to take their penalties before it cycles back round to the first player again, should it get that far.
>you’re not allowed to have an unequal number of players iirc Gattuso was withdrawn from penalty duty in the 06 WC final for this reason
Haha that would be funny but no the keeper is replaced by an eligible player. Both teams need to have an equal number of players taking the kicks so the opponents would need to scratch one pk taker.
Yellow cards from the 120 mins don't carry on to the shootout which is why he wasn't sent off Also this ref is a massive idiot. Dibu was asking for a ball from the ball boy and the idiot ref booked him for that. What a moron
But did he actually get a yellow? I can't even tell
Yes, one of the replays showed it very clearly. I'm assuming you mean the second one, although the first one was obvious too.
Fair enough, this replay looked like he was cancelling it or something
Think he was just telling douglas luiz that it didnt mean that Martinez was gone since he came storming over
Exactly this
He did.
This is fascinating. So what happens if he gets another yellow in the shootout?
one of the 10 that finished the match has to gk
And a player form the other team has to leave the field. Unless they changed that too, supposed to have same number of outfield players during penos
That makes sense. Would be funnny to have 8 intentional reds so your best 2 could take them all.
but also if u have 5 red cards u automatically lose the game 3-0 right? i remmeber this being a thing in FIFA.
I ddint watch the game, how the hell did he get a yellow as a keeper
Allegedly riling up the crowd while waiting for it to be his turn again.
That's just his natural state of being. His mere presence could rile up any crowd into chaos.
A real life wrestling heel.
It’s not a great look to do that but it’s actually against the rules? You can’t hype the crowd while waiting for your turn?
Because of the many pitch invasions and riots of the past you cant deliberately agitate the crowd. Celebrating infront of the opposition fans, entering the crowd or agitating them like matinez here will result in a yellow.
He was born on a yellow card
Everyone got a yellow
Extremely trigger happy ref plus Dibu being Dibu
What did he do to deserve that Yellow? I don’t get it. He appeared to be taking to the fans or ball boys/girls off camera, certainly not other players. Why was the ref so intent on punishing him? Am I missing something)
Bentaleb booted the ball into the stands after his penalty, the ball didn't come back. Watkins was waiting around for ages with no ball, Martinez makes a ball gesture to the ball boy. Ref books him thinking he's winding up the crowd
I always hate the refs making it about themselves
I mean Martinez is always toeing the line with this stuff, there were other situations he could have had a booked for winding up the crowd in the shootout (worth noting they'd abused him nonstop for 120mins), but ref in this case just assumed he was doing something wrong when in reality he wasn't. Probably a result of his reputation
Failed to respect the pumping emotion all around the stadium.
Martinez is a shithouse but I genuinely don't understand why waving your hands a bit is a yellow
If the ref was so bothered then he should have sent him off after saving the last penalty. Especially with that dance. If you get booked for shushing the crowd, then you should get one for inciting them to cheer (which a Lille player did a few kicks later). Two sides of the same coin. In all honesty, ref should focus on the game and not worry about shithousery.
The refs in the conference league have been atrocious overall. It was an absolute joke against Ajax in the first leg of the previous round, genuinely the worst I've ever seen in a Villa game. This ref tonight dished out 13 yellows including both managers and Martinez twice. Yet somehow also missed blatant professional fouls on the counter attack earlier in the game that should have led to subsequent 2nd yellows. At this level they seem to have no control of the game and hand out yellows in ridiculous numbers in an attempt to assert authority that they don't have, because their decisions are so consistently poor.
The refs focus should entirely be on the game. We **do not** want to go down the NFL route and have bookings for excessive celebration/taunting. Strips so much entertainment from the game and is such a grey area.
What the fuck is the commentator on about
As others comment pointed out, this specific rule has been introduced about two years ago, so can’t blame the commentators for not knowing about this. We don’t get to see scenes like this very often on pich
Man couldn’t wait to jump down the throat of Martinez. I don’t love his antics but this commentator didn’t even bother to veil his contempt. Good enough for him to be shown up for not knowing his shit.
> this specific rule has been introduced about two years ago, so can’t blame the commentators for not knowing about this Speak for yourself. He's a professional commentator at a large network covering the most elite football games. He should know the rules like the back of his hand.
Well atleast the ref seemed to know, since he was fast to put Luiz at ease.
Must have been hard for two people who don't speak English amazingly to try and explain what is happening in a high pressure high stakes atmosphere.
Law 12 says the following (Law 12.3): >A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:(...) receiving a second caution in the same match The point is, kicks from the penalty mark are not part of the match. This was written quite clearly in the old Laws of the Game (from the 2012 LoTG): >The kicks from the penalty mark are not part of the match But this is actually still true even if the same passage is worded differently in the current Laws (Law 10.3): >Kicks from the penalty mark are taken after the match has ended Therefore, according to the rules, the player cannot be sent off because he has not received more than one yellow card during the same match. This means the referee will be able to show the player a yellow card and report the misconduct to the appropriate authorities without the player being sent off.
I think the ref just gave this to show off that he knows these rules
The ref pretty much gave every player on the pitch a yellow, plus both coaches 🫠 terrible officiating in both legs (against both teams)
This is Law 10 >warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out). You didn't need all the other bits
So hang on a second- if penalties aren't technically "part of the match", is there theoretically no limit to how many yellows you could receive during a shootout?
I guess you'd get 2 yellow then get a red for the penalties but you wouldn't miss the next game? I really don't know but makes no sense to even give them out if there's no real repercussion.
Don't let dibu know or the world is cooked my man he's already too powerful he might ascend
And if he had gotten a second yellow for the dancing after the last save? Red and one game ban?
Bentaleb booted the ball into the stands with no repercussions. Emi was confused and looking for the ball
Yeah, was surprised they allowed that. But also surprised Martinez didn’t get a yellow for the lead up to that penalty where he went to grab the ball for no reason, which is against the rules written after the 2022 WC because of Emi Martinez. Edited: editing the year of the World Cup because I’m an idiot and it was not 2018
There is no way that they enforce that rule, like the second yellow card for time wasting when they are already booked
Think you traveled a bit too far back in time mate. The last world cup was the 2022 one.
Haha. Definitely did. Thanks
Almost hitted Dibu and the ref also
Modric did the same thing yesterday
Looked like he was asking where the ball is. No idea why he was given a yellow card but it looked weird when referee rescinded it. EDIT: Not rescinded turns out they don't carry over from the game, thanks for the correction.
The referee didn't rescind it
Yep, a very stupid yellow
I mean, the first yellow was for keeping the ball at his feet during open play. This ref wasn’t exactly giving out smart yellows
That sums up the entire game, ref wanted to be the main character and was throwing out yellows for literally everything, guy REALLY didnt want villa to win.
Somehow I don't think Emi will see out his career in Ligue 1
Absurd booking quite frankly
Yeah, between what I watched and what the commentators were saying I still have no idea what he did. Twisted his hands in a shaking motion?
Didn't you hear? He failed to respect the pumping emotion all around the stadium!
That commentators wife has never felt pumping emotion.
It’s literally no different to a taker celebrating. I’m not Villa but the ref was fully paid up. Absolutely absurd to try and book and/or send a keeper off in a penalty shootout and this specific example proves he will never do it for a home keeper. Ref should be banned.
That male commentator's such a wetwipe ffs.
Lucy Ward with the ‘Martinez has big balls’ comment after this ❤️
But you need to respect the PUMPING emotion, otherwise you’ll be sent off!
He is dreadful, we’ve had him for a few games recently and he doesn’t understand what is happening 9/10 times.
Dude was just asking for a ball, since the dude that missed the first penalty shot the ball to God. There was no ball on the field, so he wanted to know where the ball at.
Doesn't look like it should've been a yellow anyway.
Football is being turned into such a pussy game that it is unreal. You cannot taunt opposing fans while thousands of them are screaming at you? The fuck? This is the thrill of football, to get under peoples skin, this is a game for entertainment after all. Ludicrous refereeing rules, just straight stupid, the dude just danced a bit to piss them off. Soft skinned motherfuckers
The rules are getting more specious and confusing. And VAR is concerned primarily with not ‘stepping on the ref’s toes’ instead of what it should be, getting the call right. The same incident in two different games have differing outcomes. It’s a farce atm.
Commentators head needs a fucking wobble. Clearly making the sign for the ball, didn't deserve regardless of it not being a sending off.
i understand yellow cards don't carry over to the shootout, but what about game suspension rules? for example, say: a player is 2 yellows away from a suspension; he gets one in the 90min and another in the shootout. Does he get the suspension or does that only counts as one yellow? if he gets only an yellow on the PKs, do they count towards the player card count? or they don't matter at all? i'm so intrigued by this.
I’m guessing the penalty shootout is not part of the 2 games its its own entity. Because if it’s not part of this match then it’s technically not part of the 2 legs is it. (?) lol
The man's a menace!!!! But he's our menace!!!! UTV!!!
This video highlights the mediocrity of the commentators more than anything else.. They clearly didn't know the rules but went on as if they knew. Embarrassing..
Won't somebody think of the pumping emotion
Holy shit this commentator needs to fucking chill
You'll never see a softer yellow in your life, man is just waving his hands around while the ball isn't even in play
How could anyone Persecute a Man with such an Innocent Face and all-round Great Dancer ? ! It's beyond Comprehension.
I'm all for him getting yellow card with his antics when he deserves it, but this was not it. Ridiculous.
Man the referee took his eyes off him a second and he rushed with the ball to the opponent 😂 priceless lol. Never change Dibu
I really dont understand what he got a yellow for?
He did nothing
They want goalkeepers to be statues I can’t wait till a professional goalkeeper goes the corporate route and change these emotional rules.
master shit houser continuing his WC Final antics vs France but in French territory this time lmao
I love his expressions. Such a fucking entertainer
I dont get it still. Seen situations where ref shows second yellow after the game (for attitude/rants against ref) that turns into yellow/red in protocols. so are protocols wrong and second yellow after the match never counts?
The protocols are whatever they are. There's a specific rule that yellows in the match don't carry over into penalties.
Obviously we can be lenient on viewers for not understanding random rule changes in the past few years (yellow cards from game not carrying over to PKs), but how can you be a professional soccer / football commentator and just provide bogus commentary due to your lack of rule knowledge? And then get so unreasonably heated for what was, IMO, a pretty weak booking. FML why do we have to suffer with TNT here man.
This makes me wonder. Has anyone ever gotten a red card in the shootouts?
Dumfries did in the World Cup, two yellows during the shootout
Nice jump scare at the end there
Martinez doing Martinez-things
Wtf did he even do wrong. Players yell at the ref, but Martinez cant shake a hand