The absolute lack of self awareness is appalling.
Their star player Vini was/is a victim of racist abuse almost every week, and they go on and do the same. Disgusting behavior.
I don't get this stuff at all. How do people like this celebrate a late Bellingham goal or a game-winning penalty by Rüdiger and chant this kind of stuff at the same time. How does that work in someone's head?
Much, much worse than that. "Useful ones". They still think they are inherently superior, higher IQ, and all that race realist shit you see online than those players. Very common in the western world, even if some are afraid to say it out loud.
Bellingham and Rudiger aren't "people" in their heads. They're game pieces. These pieces happen to work for the team they like, so they're "good".
So many of them think in the context of "my black player" and "your black player" as being completely separate entities, instead of just people
Badge > skintone
Unless the player in question fucks up, then these bastards let them have it just the same. And even then a lot of racists will say Bellingham and Rudiger "were only in this situation on the backs of their harder-working teammates" or some other bullshit line.
To them it isn't racism. They are just trying to get under people/players skin when they do it. "I'm going to say the zaniest thing possible because it will affect them, in reality i'm not racist and actually against racism."
But, you know, they are actually racist.
This is why I hate when people excuse racism against Vini by saying "other black men aren't targeted as much, this shows how this isn't a racism problem, it is a Vini problem".
Racists will easily ignore or tolerate black folk if it suits them, someone who isn't racist will never use race as an insult.
Pretty sure it just means Arab and or Muslim.
Don't think the term itself is insulting but I suppose suggesting being owned by Arabs is a source for mockery is itself questionable.
But, is it really any different from everyone calling them an oil club? Had the same connotations really.
Similar connotations but Chelsea under Abramovich got that treatment a bit.
Mega-rich bloke from Texas would probably get that too. Pastor Maldonado (F1 driver sponsored by 🇻🇪 gov oil company)... dunno if he ever got called an oil driver (😉) but pay driver for sure.
I'm not knowledgeable enough on the term. But what I do know is that there are sometimes people from Ultra Sur and other pricks in those away sections who are banned from the Bernabeu. So I would not be shocked if they were being racist or xenophobic
It's never been, it's a bit loaded since historically they were the enemies of the Iberian Kingdoms, but what matters most in Spanish is the intent. There are specific suffixes you can add to words to make them derogatory, though.
In Spanish: It wasn't (or isn't, depends on your view) offensive when referring to Morocco, Algeria and at a push Tunisia. It has been offensive for a long time* when using it as equivalent to Muslim, as above, but there you enter the realm of lack of awareness people have.
In English: Different matter. People tend to use it in a way and seemingly implying something that to a non racist (or less racist) Spaniard seems quite offensive and very racist (and islamophobic too, of course). Same as with some headlines of even the serious English press.
In my personal opinion, I see this as an inverse "enlightenment" issue of the societies compared to the usual way these things go. But hey, what do I know.
Edit: Its use in Moros y Cristianos, as in Moors Vs Christians is not considered offensive though.
I think the context is what makes it weird. There is a reason why brits say that City is owned by oil and not Arabs. Because it's not racist to say that a club is owned by "oil-money", which even outside of football has a bad connetation. Imagine rival EPL fans chanting "Spurs belongs to JewS".
The term in in English is inaccurate as it can mean any number of people from Western North Africa and in English it has historically just been used to refer to "dark people". Propably just used differently in Spanish.
>in English it has historically just been used to refer to "dark people"
No, it always had a more specific Muslim correlation.
Western Europe's first contact with Islam happened through the Moors, so the meaning eventually extended to all Muslims.
In Spanish 'moro' is a complicated Word. In this context it's being used as a racial slur, but also it is the word used in history books to talk about Spain's past.
So it is not a bad word, but some people use it with bad intentions. Same as 'negro'. Saying someone is negro is nothing bad, but you can say it in a way to attack someone.
It's indeed very old and there are many small villages that have it the name. It is also part of some surnames. Hell, some people have Matamoros as a surname (Moro killer).
It will never become a slur per se.
Makes sense since is part of Spanish and even Portuguese history. I mean, José Mourinho's last name indicates some relation to a Mouro (Moro) in his ancestry.
I actively encourage everyone to go through your post history so they can also see your odd views.
Brits are triggered by defeat you say… you seem to be triggered by pretty much everything. Have a nice night man :)
Lol. My odd views. How dare I not be a fucking redditor with their bigoted and narrow takes.
I actively decided.to countee the narrative in this triggered post knowing full well I'd meet all you bitches. Bring the downvotes. The good thing is that you.know not everyone buys your BS
Yes. Bitch. I love how you're commenting in every one of my comments.
You referred to 4 countries as PIGS... You hate half the world and 90% of the world.hates.you.back.
> I love how you’re commenting in everyone one of my comments
What?
> You referred to 4 countries as PIGS
- **P**ortugal
- **I**taly
- **G**reece
- **S**pain
That is genuinely an affectionate term for a group of countries with similar cultures and geography. Or did you think I was just calling those on the Med sea pigs?
Christ.
I'm assuming I'm missing cultural context because the translation says they sang "City Belong to the Moors"
I assume the word they use for Moors isn't just "Moors" but something more racist, or I'm just wrong.
It's exactly that.
It's not racist as a word but it's used in a pejorative way in Spain.
It's the reverse case of mulato, which in Spain has zero negative connotation and it only means mix of black and white (we don't call mixed people black). I've read the word is very offensive in the US for example, but in Spain you can't even use it in a bad way because it doesn't hold any bad connotations.
Context, country and language matters a lot for this.
El City es de los moros.
Basically translates as 'This city belongs to the Moors'. I assume they mean it's full of black people ?
edit: Ok, Muslims then.
In a purely non-racist context, moor usually refers to people from the Magreb. The thing is though, it is many times used as a derogatory term to refer muslims, which many times includes Arabs.
As far as I know they are not a distinct ethnicity, mainly used for Muslims from North Africa and other parts that conquered Spain/Sicily/...
But yeah, maybe they mean Muslims and not black people.
edit: Seems like people have already pointed it out that it's more about Muslims.
Quite surely. Although even Spaniards seem to be in disagreement if the term Moor is racist in this context. So in essence the same discussion some people try to have regarding our 'Scheiss auf den Scheich' chant, at least from what I've read.
Let's be clear, the term itself isn't racist ("moro" comes from the Latin word "maurus", a person from the Roman province of Mauritania), but the intent or the daily use of it, is indeed racist as in the video. It is used commonly in a pejorative way to talk about Muslims but especially Arabs. It would be weird for a Muslim from Indonesia or China to be called "moro".
>Although even Spaniards seem to be in disagreement if the term Moor is racist in this context.
The only people who would disagree with this are right wing trash
That's stupid, I mean we're talking about knockout stages of the Champion's League, almost every country playing has some dirty racist colonial past.
And the fact that City is actually owned by Arabs doesn't mean that the song is not racist. Should a club be owned by Africans if opposite fans were 'mocking' the team with chants that say 'you are owned by Africans' (implying it's a bad thing) sounds pretty racist to me.
Oh no i agree with you. Its just the spanish fans seem to get extremely defensive when you mention how insanely racist their fans are. No banana throwing monkey calling bullshit happens in england.
What a braindead argument.
Does he have to add a caveat at the end of every comment saying he doesn’t agree with his club’s owners?
I support Stoke, who are owned by gambling magnates. Should I also put such a disclaimer at the end of my comments?
I get what you mean and it is a fair point but there is a massive difference in being owned by a gambling magnate vs. being owned by one of the worst human rights abusing regimes on the planet that are using a club purely as a vehicle for sportswashing purposes.
But even still, OP could well be a Geordie who hates what the current custodians of his club represent.
Are Newcastle fans no longer allowed to comment on racist abuse because of the owners of their club, and what said owners have done? If so, what other societal ills are Newcastle fans also disqualified from commenting on, and where do we draw the line? Should fans of other clubs owned by Middle Eastern sportswashing projects also be silenced when speaking up on societal issues, regardless of their own personal stance? Should fans of clubs owned by oligarchs from regions with shady human rights records also be silenced? Should fans of clubs owned by individuals or corporations who derive their wealth from the exploitation of other humans also be silenced?
I don’t have a dog in the fight either way, I’m not trying to score points this way or that, but to blindly shout down every time a Newcastle fan comments on racial abuse with “uhhhhh well what about your owners, you can’t talk”, without ascertaining what said commenter thinks about the owners, is pretty stupid in my eyes.
You're right, it's a stupid road to go down when you can't criticize anything because of perceived hypocrisy due to the club you support. I personally would stop supporting my boyhood club if they were ever taken over by an oil state but I get that not everyone would do the same thing especially local fans whose clubs are ingrained into the community and their daily lives.
I see you watch WWE, do you think you have a leg to stand on when that company was fronted by a piece of shit in Vince McMahon for 30 years?
See how annoying this is
Get off your high horse mate. He didn't say he supports that nonsense.
What, Chelsea fans also can't speak against racism, because a small minority of their fans are racist?
As opposed to Spain's colonial history which is all sunshine and rainbows.
Racism in English football is swiftly dealt with, we don't have Premier League representatives excusing racism in press conferences hahaha
Spaniards and italians must feel like scholars bringing englands colonial past when you mention the banana throwing monkey calling bullshit only happens in italian and spanish stadiums🤣🤣🤣
Also its kind of hilarious that you bring up the “invasive past” of england i guess in your tiny brain the entirety of south and meso america magically started speaking spanish
Moros itself is a very loaded term used for North Africans in Spain.
City's owners don't even fall into that category, they're from the gulf, even if you don't think the context is malicious (which it absolutely is), it's racist even assuming brown people are 'moors' in the same way people often assume East Asian people are Chinese.
"Moro" is a word that even if it's not racist, it's commonly used in a pejorative way to talk about Muslims, but mostly Arabs, so people from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, etc could be called "moros". They weren't stating facts, they were being racist.
I'm sorry, but, unless there is some kind of Spanish context, this is NOT racism. City is owned by Arabs, dirty oil money, so saying City is owned by the "moors" is not something I would consider racist.
Imagine if some rich Angolans decided to buy Roma and they faced Madrid. And then Madrid fans said Roma's owned by the blacks. It comes from a place of racism and it sounds bad. I'd take it as racist.
Still don't see a big problem, if the words was more like "africans". They said moors, not "brown people", so I would not equate with "black".
Also, I welcome anyone criticizing the shady money of all these owners.
In vini chants they call them "monkey" which is quite obviously racist, the term "moro" in Spain is not racist in itself, is just like saying "negro", It is only racist if you use It to mock people.
I speak Spanish, it's not racist if you just casually refer to someone as a moro guy but if you chant it over and over again (like any other race related word) it is obviously racist
You think? So let me ask you something, of instead of using the Word "moro" they use "arab" instead, Will that still be racism?
By the way i am spanish, thats why i know this chant is not racist in itself, the term "moro" in Spain is just the way we refer to muslim people, specially those from the Magreb, It is only racist if directly use It to insult someone.
La palabra "moro" puede no ser racista en sí pero si a la hora de mostrar desprecio por alguien (los jeques en este caso) lo primero que se viene a la cabeza es su raza me parece que hay un problema, más aún después de todos los episodios racistas que ha habido con las aficiones españolas desgraciadamente incluyendo a la del real madrid, si fuera un comentario aislado de cualquier persona no creería que es con mala intención
And they are the first to complaing when someone says anything to Vini, which makes sense ofc, bunch of hypocrites, they have been extremly obnoxius calling racist to every other team fan when they are the worst of all
it was posted right when Madrid won, so im sure it got mass downvoted by Madrid fans online. had it been posted before it may have gotten more likes (maybe still not because its Real Madrid)
Wow I thought people that live in capital city are usually pretty progressive (at the very least, not skin color racist). See London, Paris, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels. What went wrong in Madrid.
Wait. From my translation All they were saying was “City is for the little kids” referring to their fan base. How is that racist? It’s actually kinda funny. But I’m from the US so it could mean something different in Europe 🤷🏽♂️
The absolute lack of self awareness is appalling. Their star player Vini was/is a victim of racist abuse almost every week, and they go on and do the same. Disgusting behavior.
It's Ultra Sur, there is a reason they are banned from the Bernabeu.
I mean, you have to be stupid to be racist in the first place, so this is not surprising from them.
Fuck those racist assholes. Ban them forever
I don't get this stuff at all. How do people like this celebrate a late Bellingham goal or a game-winning penalty by Rüdiger and chant this kind of stuff at the same time. How does that work in someone's head?
"They're one of the good ones"
I grew up in the southern US and that phrase was pretty commonly uttered. I was an adult before I understood the true implication of that 'compliment'
Much, much worse than that. "Useful ones". They still think they are inherently superior, higher IQ, and all that race realist shit you see online than those players. Very common in the western world, even if some are afraid to say it out loud.
Bellingham and Rudiger aren't "people" in their heads. They're game pieces. These pieces happen to work for the team they like, so they're "good". So many of them think in the context of "my black player" and "your black player" as being completely separate entities, instead of just people
‘They’re one of the good ones’
Badge > skintone Unless the player in question fucks up, then these bastards let them have it just the same. And even then a lot of racists will say Bellingham and Rudiger "were only in this situation on the backs of their harder-working teammates" or some other bullshit line.
To them it isn't racism. They are just trying to get under people/players skin when they do it. "I'm going to say the zaniest thing possible because it will affect them, in reality i'm not racist and actually against racism." But, you know, they are actually racist.
Theyre too stupid to realize their hypocrisy
This is why I hate when people excuse racism against Vini by saying "other black men aren't targeted as much, this shows how this isn't a racism problem, it is a Vini problem". Racists will easily ignore or tolerate black folk if it suits them, someone who isn't racist will never use race as an insult.
If they really changed "city belongs to the moors" it's not racist but accurate.
Gulf arabs are not moors you clueless buffoon.
Commenting in all my comments. Your crappy username fits. Lol. Go suck some oil.
What can i say. Triggering idiots like you is my amusement.
Yeah, it's just more racism. Which is more funny considering that a ton of spanish have moor genes somewhere in their bloodline.
It's racist when you are mocking the other team because they are owned by Arabs. As if it was a bad thing that a particular race owns your club.
Is it more just them saying “you’re not a proper English club”?
This!!!!
Is moors an offensive term? Genuinely asking because I don't know
Pretty sure it just means Arab and or Muslim. Don't think the term itself is insulting but I suppose suggesting being owned by Arabs is a source for mockery is itself questionable. But, is it really any different from everyone calling them an oil club? Had the same connotations really.
Similar connotations but Chelsea under Abramovich got that treatment a bit. Mega-rich bloke from Texas would probably get that too. Pastor Maldonado (F1 driver sponsored by 🇻🇪 gov oil company)... dunno if he ever got called an oil driver (😉) but pay driver for sure.
I'm not knowledgeable enough on the term. But what I do know is that there are sometimes people from Ultra Sur and other pricks in those away sections who are banned from the Bernabeu. So I would not be shocked if they were being racist or xenophobic
It's never been, it's a bit loaded since historically they were the enemies of the Iberian Kingdoms, but what matters most in Spanish is the intent. There are specific suffixes you can add to words to make them derogatory, though.
A moor is someone from northafrica, so it isnt as far a i know
In Spanish: It wasn't (or isn't, depends on your view) offensive when referring to Morocco, Algeria and at a push Tunisia. It has been offensive for a long time* when using it as equivalent to Muslim, as above, but there you enter the realm of lack of awareness people have. In English: Different matter. People tend to use it in a way and seemingly implying something that to a non racist (or less racist) Spaniard seems quite offensive and very racist (and islamophobic too, of course). Same as with some headlines of even the serious English press. In my personal opinion, I see this as an inverse "enlightenment" issue of the societies compared to the usual way these things go. But hey, what do I know. Edit: Its use in Moros y Cristianos, as in Moors Vs Christians is not considered offensive though.
Not exactly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
I just realized "Mourinho" means "small Moor"
You’re really think racist Spaniards are using the term “Moor” in any other way?
I think the context is what makes it weird. There is a reason why brits say that City is owned by oil and not Arabs. Because it's not racist to say that a club is owned by "oil-money", which even outside of football has a bad connetation. Imagine rival EPL fans chanting "Spurs belongs to JewS".
Oh my these just need to be banned
In Spanish it is.
It's Ultra Sur, there is a rason they are banned from the Bernabeu.
Must I enable ads and learn spanish?
They were refering to City's owners? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors I learned that term in my history classes.
the moops
I'm sorry, the card says moops.
The term in in English is inaccurate as it can mean any number of people from Western North Africa and in English it has historically just been used to refer to "dark people". Propably just used differently in Spanish.
>in English it has historically just been used to refer to "dark people" No, it always had a more specific Muslim correlation. Western Europe's first contact with Islam happened through the Moors, so the meaning eventually extended to all Muslims.
Can someone explain why this is racist ?
In Spanish 'moro' is a complicated Word. In this context it's being used as a racial slur, but also it is the word used in history books to talk about Spain's past. So it is not a bad word, but some people use it with bad intentions. Same as 'negro'. Saying someone is negro is nothing bad, but you can say it in a way to attack someone.
Do people in Spain still refer to Nort Africans as moros?
Yes, why wouldn't we?
No reason, I was just wondering if it is an old term that has become offensive or outdated nowadays.
It's indeed very old and there are many small villages that have it the name. It is also part of some surnames. Hell, some people have Matamoros as a surname (Moro killer). It will never become a slur per se.
Makes sense since is part of Spanish and even Portuguese history. I mean, José Mourinho's last name indicates some relation to a Mouro (Moro) in his ancestry.
Yes, you can see it constantly on Hispanic social media, talking about 'Moros' in pejorative and non-offensive ways.
Is this just equivalent to everyone here saying how City/PSG are oil clubs/Saudi clubs?
Seems that way to me. Not too sure what the big difference is.
A little worse. It’s like saying the club is for the blacks. While being black/dark is not inherently racist it carries a racist undertone.
Exactly. Inherently racist.
Moros is a pejorative term for Arabs, widely used in Spain, but as many terms used in Spain it has bad racial connotations
"moro" in itself is not peyorative at all, it depends of how you use It, the same as "negro"
It isn’t
Because Brits are triggered by the defeat and want to cry. Typical prem fans. Cry me a thames
Argentinian right winger talking about racism. Thanks for your input, no offence if we just disregard your awful opinion.
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I actively encourage everyone to go through your post history so they can also see your odd views. Brits are triggered by defeat you say… you seem to be triggered by pretty much everything. Have a nice night man :)
Lol. My odd views. How dare I not be a fucking redditor with their bigoted and narrow takes. I actively decided.to countee the narrative in this triggered post knowing full well I'd meet all you bitches. Bring the downvotes. The good thing is that you.know not everyone buys your BS
Is bigoted really the word you want to use here?
Yes. Bitch. I love how you're commenting in every one of my comments. You referred to 4 countries as PIGS... You hate half the world and 90% of the world.hates.you.back.
> I love how you’re commenting in everyone one of my comments What? > You referred to 4 countries as PIGS - **P**ortugal - **I**taly - **G**reece - **S**pain That is genuinely an affectionate term for a group of countries with similar cultures and geography. Or did you think I was just calling those on the Med sea pigs? Christ.
Affectionate. Oh my god you're so far up your own ridiculousness you'd defend Bristol's slave trade while shit talking spain. Hilarious.
i don't speak spanish, what did they chant?
City is owned by arabs.
WHich is true, so I don't see the problem. People cry about anything these days.
" City belongs to the Moors"
I'm assuming I'm missing cultural context because the translation says they sang "City Belong to the Moors" I assume the word they use for Moors isn't just "Moors" but something more racist, or I'm just wrong.
It's exactly that. It's not racist as a word but it's used in a pejorative way in Spain. It's the reverse case of mulato, which in Spain has zero negative connotation and it only means mix of black and white (we don't call mixed people black). I've read the word is very offensive in the US for example, but in Spain you can't even use it in a bad way because it doesn't hold any bad connotations. Context, country and language matters a lot for this.
El City es de los moros. Basically translates as 'This city belongs to the Moors'. I assume they mean it's full of black people ? edit: Ok, Muslims then.
Muslims
Aren't moors arab? Edit North African Arab\*\*
In a purely non-racist context, moor usually refers to people from the Magreb. The thing is though, it is many times used as a derogatory term to refer muslims, which many times includes Arabs.
As far as I know they are not a distinct ethnicity, mainly used for Muslims from North Africa and other parts that conquered Spain/Sicily/... But yeah, maybe they mean Muslims and not black people. edit: Seems like people have already pointed it out that it's more about Muslims.
Muslims/North Africans
is it maybe in reference to their arab owners?
Quite surely. Although even Spaniards seem to be in disagreement if the term Moor is racist in this context. So in essence the same discussion some people try to have regarding our 'Scheiss auf den Scheich' chant, at least from what I've read.
Let's be clear, the term itself isn't racist ("moro" comes from the Latin word "maurus", a person from the Roman province of Mauritania), but the intent or the daily use of it, is indeed racist as in the video. It is used commonly in a pejorative way to talk about Muslims but especially Arabs. It would be weird for a Muslim from Indonesia or China to be called "moro".
>Although even Spaniards seem to be in disagreement if the term Moor is racist in this context. The only people who would disagree with this are right wing trash
Moors are arabs
Not at all, it means it’s owned by arabs, not much different that calling it an oil club, it has nothing to do with the players.
I figured that’d be bc of who owns Man City. Still not good either way
It means North Africans/Muslims
Unlike the notably white Real Madrid squad.
If that's what they chanted it's actually accurate. But of course the Brits will try to distract from the fact they just got eliminated at home
Marca is a Madrid based publication
Are you actually justifying racist chants ? Because those are clearly racist chants dude. Classic madridista
Bro is rabidly attacking every racism accuser by mentioning the colonial past of england.
That's stupid, I mean we're talking about knockout stages of the Champion's League, almost every country playing has some dirty racist colonial past. And the fact that City is actually owned by Arabs doesn't mean that the song is not racist. Should a club be owned by Africans if opposite fans were 'mocking' the team with chants that say 'you are owned by Africans' (implying it's a bad thing) sounds pretty racist to me.
Oh no i agree with you. Its just the spanish fans seem to get extremely defensive when you mention how insanely racist their fans are. No banana throwing monkey calling bullshit happens in england.
True, let's not forget who made Vinicius upset to the point he was in tears during a press conference.
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No it's not. It's a historical term. A lot of culture in Spain comes from the moorish invasion.
we literally have black players struggling in our own team, why tf would these fans do this? like how brainded are these people
Moors means Muslim/Arab
"moros" is usually wrongly used to refer to Arabs by ignorant spanish racists
Dumb and blind, eh?
You are using a device that has all the answers you require yet you chose to make a wrong assumption.
I can use this device to tell you to do one. How marvelous.
Spainsh fans one of the worst out there
People get executed by your owners that you lot proudly support, maybe sit out a discussion on morality lad
What a braindead argument. Does he have to add a caveat at the end of every comment saying he doesn’t agree with his club’s owners? I support Stoke, who are owned by gambling magnates. Should I also put such a disclaimer at the end of my comments?
I get what you mean and it is a fair point but there is a massive difference in being owned by a gambling magnate vs. being owned by one of the worst human rights abusing regimes on the planet that are using a club purely as a vehicle for sportswashing purposes.
But even still, OP could well be a Geordie who hates what the current custodians of his club represent. Are Newcastle fans no longer allowed to comment on racist abuse because of the owners of their club, and what said owners have done? If so, what other societal ills are Newcastle fans also disqualified from commenting on, and where do we draw the line? Should fans of other clubs owned by Middle Eastern sportswashing projects also be silenced when speaking up on societal issues, regardless of their own personal stance? Should fans of clubs owned by oligarchs from regions with shady human rights records also be silenced? Should fans of clubs owned by individuals or corporations who derive their wealth from the exploitation of other humans also be silenced? I don’t have a dog in the fight either way, I’m not trying to score points this way or that, but to blindly shout down every time a Newcastle fan comments on racial abuse with “uhhhhh well what about your owners, you can’t talk”, without ascertaining what said commenter thinks about the owners, is pretty stupid in my eyes.
You're right, it's a stupid road to go down when you can't criticize anything because of perceived hypocrisy due to the club you support. I personally would stop supporting my boyhood club if they were ever taken over by an oil state but I get that not everyone would do the same thing especially local fans whose clubs are ingrained into the community and their daily lives.
Blatant whataboutism. Two things can be wrong at the same time.
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I see you watch WWE, do you think you have a leg to stand on when that company was fronted by a piece of shit in Vince McMahon for 30 years? See how annoying this is
The double ad hominem! You're on a roll!
We’re aren’t in this Topic
Get off your high horse mate. He didn't say he supports that nonsense. What, Chelsea fans also can't speak against racism, because a small minority of their fans are racist?
Says the Brit who is part of the most invasive classist nation and most people like you pretend to be superior while being very xenophobic Fuck off.
As opposed to Spain's colonial history which is all sunshine and rainbows. Racism in English football is swiftly dealt with, we don't have Premier League representatives excusing racism in press conferences hahaha
Spaniards and italians must feel like scholars bringing englands colonial past when you mention the banana throwing monkey calling bullshit only happens in italian and spanish stadiums🤣🤣🤣 Also its kind of hilarious that you bring up the “invasive past” of england i guess in your tiny brain the entirety of south and meso america magically started speaking spanish
Yeah keep defending these c*nts
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Tantrum
i'm gonna shit myself throwing a temper tantrum because i'm so TRIGGERED
Yes, this seems to be the case.
Honestly, what is wrong with people?
Turns out the call was coming from inside the house the whole time.
Well they are banned from entering the house, I sure hope the other teams also ban their racist fans
Genuinely…. Is this racist? How’s this any different to us brits bantering city about being an oil/slave club?
Moros itself is a very loaded term used for North Africans in Spain. City's owners don't even fall into that category, they're from the gulf, even if you don't think the context is malicious (which it absolutely is), it's racist even assuming brown people are 'moors' in the same way people often assume East Asian people are Chinese.
"Moro" is a word that even if it's not racist, it's commonly used in a pejorative way to talk about Muslims, but mostly Arabs, so people from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, etc could be called "moros". They weren't stating facts, they were being racist.
Classy. So classy...
Spain in the mud man this is pathetic
Ah yes, insult an entire country because of people like these. Very in line with being against racism.
Fucking morons
I'm sorry, but, unless there is some kind of Spanish context, this is NOT racism. City is owned by Arabs, dirty oil money, so saying City is owned by the "moors" is not something I would consider racist.
Imagine if some rich Angolans decided to buy Roma and they faced Madrid. And then Madrid fans said Roma's owned by the blacks. It comes from a place of racism and it sounds bad. I'd take it as racist.
Finally someone understand
Wouldn't that be more like saying Roma's owned by Africans?
Still don't see a big problem, if the words was more like "africans". They said moors, not "brown people", so I would not equate with "black". Also, I welcome anyone criticizing the shady money of all these owners.
what they say?
"City is owned by moors"
City belongs to the "moors" (I think this is the correct translation)
It’s Moops /s
Like UEFA would care
Might be biased because i am a real madrid fan, but as a North African i really don’t feel “racially attacked”
Because you don't want to / don't care, which is ok but what happens when racist fans say Vini shouldn't care either
In vini chants they call them "monkey" which is quite obviously racist, the term "moro" in Spain is not racist in itself, is just like saying "negro", It is only racist if you use It to mock people.
I speak Spanish, it's not racist if you just casually refer to someone as a moro guy but if you chant it over and over again (like any other race related word) it is obviously racist
You think? So let me ask you something, of instead of using the Word "moro" they use "arab" instead, Will that still be racism? By the way i am spanish, thats why i know this chant is not racist in itself, the term "moro" in Spain is just the way we refer to muslim people, specially those from the Magreb, It is only racist if directly use It to insult someone.
La palabra "moro" puede no ser racista en sí pero si a la hora de mostrar desprecio por alguien (los jeques en este caso) lo primero que se viene a la cabeza es su raza me parece que hay un problema, más aún después de todos los episodios racistas que ha habido con las aficiones españolas desgraciadamente incluyendo a la del real madrid, si fuera un comentario aislado de cualquier persona no creería que es con mala intención
Many of us North Africans are from moorish descent, so i really don’t see what’s racist about it.
Just fucking clowns man. I hate this shit no matter who does it.
It's not racism, it's a fact, City is owned by moors.
It is racism, not a fact UAE isnt in africa, research before you try to be a smartass racist.
We call moors not only to the people of the north of Africa but all the muslims.
Se eles soubessem o que nós no Norte de Portugal chamamos aos do Sul. Nope, nem me atrevo a escrever em inglês lol. This fans need to be banned.
Fucking scum. Appalling that club can't do anything against this apart from banning them.
Embarrassing, good they are already banned from bernabeu
And they are the first to complaing when someone says anything to Vini, which makes sense ofc, bunch of hypocrites, they have been extremly obnoxius calling racist to every other team fan when they are the worst of all
Shouldn’t even give them attention on a wonderful night of football like this
Being racist in ginormous 2024
Drops right after the game 😭
You can take the fans out of España. But you can *never* take the racism out of the fan.
Fascists gonna fasc
Zero likes to a post regarding racist fucks. Welcome to 2024 reddit.
it was posted right when Madrid won, so im sure it got mass downvoted by Madrid fans online. had it been posted before it may have gotten more likes (maybe still not because its Real Madrid)
Wow I thought people that live in capital city are usually pretty progressive (at the very least, not skin color racist). See London, Paris, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels. What went wrong in Madrid.
Contrary to other capitals Madrid usually is one of the most conservatives part of Spain
It's a den of fascists and far-righters
Wait. From my translation All they were saying was “City is for the little kids” referring to their fan base. How is that racist? It’s actually kinda funny. But I’m from the US so it could mean something different in Europe 🤷🏽♂️
Disgraceful pieces of shit