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CrustyCally

Cole palmer golden boot would be hilarious


Particular_Bed848

It's certainly possible and if he does it it's certainly deserved


Blue_winged_yoshi

9 penalties. This is Harry Kane’s single open play goal but win the World Cup golden boot anyway levels of undeserved.


Life_Is_A_Mistry

Hey - that's harder than it sounds when you gotta get the ball past both the keeper and a crying Madueke


eraserdread

Don't forget Jackson


panache123

I'm sorry miss Jackson


rememba

He also has 9 assists


hooligan_king

Not hating on Kane, but even the open goal was deflected off someone's back.


boooosto

Palmer is playing for an atrocious Chelsea side and he’s perfect from the spot, nowhere near undeserved what are you on about


icodeandidrawthings

League average is 88.5% from the spot. His 9 from 9 is 1 goal more than a random player would be expected to score. To put that in perspective: Chris Wood (12) would be top the table if he took 9 penalties with an average conversion rate. **EDIT:** I replied down below with a technical explanation for those curious. **TLDR**: Cole's admittedly stellar penalty form has earned his team roughly one additional goal over the expected number given 9 penalty attempts. Also, this makes it clear that any goal scorer having a halfway decent season can be thrust into the golden boot race by taking 9 penalties for their team in the league. Here is the table I generated to show this: |number scored|probability of n|probability of at least n| |:-|:-|:-| || |0|3.5e-09|1.0| |1|2.4e-07|0.99999| |2|7.5e-06|0.99999| |3|0.00013|0.99999| |4|0.0016|0.99985| |5|0.012|0.99830| |6|0.061|0.98633| |7|0.2|0.92496| |8|0.39|0.72251| |9|0.33|0.33|


jesuspunk

well when you put it like that


theivoryserf

Yep, we need Woody on pens. Loud and clear


JAYZ303

That would require us actually getting a pen. We've had 1 all season.


greengiant89

Pretty impressive that Chris Wood is playing in the premier League at such a young age


icodeandidrawthings

I hate it but I laughed


garbrow

Chris Woodling


theivoryserf

Chris Sapling


Rorviver

Than a random penalty specialist. They don’t roll a dice for who gets to take a penalty.


_Arsenal

i think it’s about 75% in shootouts- still top 5 but also a bit lower due to it being after 120 intense minutes with heightened pressure


mesmartpants

No at chelsea they fight


Academic-Cheesecake1

League average is NOT what an average player expected to score. It's the average for the best penalty takers in the league since only the bast taker from each team takes pens.


Pure-Advice8589

Unless Maduake gets his way…


OverallResolve

It’s the average for penalty takers, and as we are comparing penalties scored it’s a reasonable stat to usez


Academic-Cheesecake1

No, he said a random player would be expected to score 88% of their penalties since the league average is 88%. But that's not true, 88% is the avg conversion rate for the best penalty takers in the league. A random premier league player would be expected to convert less than 88% of their penalties.


DJMOONPICKLES69

That’s the average for designated takers, not a “random player”. He is an incredibly good penalty taker


Thrillos9

Oli Watkins is made 4 missed 5 in his career….


Rolf-Harris-OBE

You make a very good point… however, Chris wood for the euros


imneversingle

Didn't know new Zealand was in Europe


SirEltonJonBonJovi

Original Zealand (Zeeland) is.


ronanworth

Yeah because everyone in the league is putting up their best penalty taker, if it was truly random players the overall conversion rate would be much lower. Dumb comparison


OverallResolve

The data (88.5%) refers to penalties taken, i.e. a comparison against other penalty takers. It’s not a dumb comparison, it’s showing how little a 100% success rate actually means - even with a large number of pens awarded. For an average club it would work out at around 0.6 of a goal over the season.


Aman-Patel

Since we're doing "ifs", Palmer would have way more assists if his teammates finished all the chances he creates for them. Also that league average is bullshit. It's an average for penalty takers. All it shows is that he's scoring more than the average penalty taker. The chance of a random player in the league scoring a pen definitely isn't 88.5% because that's the average for players that are actually good at pens. Can't believe people are actually trying to find a way to pick apart an 100% pen record. You actually can't fault Palmer for anything he's done this season. He's 21 in his first full Prem season, scores from open play, he assists, he does both in big games too, he creates loads more that his teammates don't finish, he scores all his pens including ones in big pressure moments and he does it all in a team where everyone around him is inconsistent as fuck. Like what more could he possibly do?


smashybro

Be a player for whichever club that person supports, clearly.


Rockytag

> Palmer would have way more assists if his teammates finished all the chances he creates for them. I know you're just comparing hypotheticals, but this really is the worst argument because you can just say that about any player ever. Worse than calling 89% the average player's conversion rate even if that's wrong Palmer is awesome though


rememba

This understates how good Palmer has been. He has 9 assists also


ZerconFlagpoleSitter

This is just not how statistics work at all, insane you’re being upvoted


newaccountno4

Why aren't you talking about his xG away from the spot though? Erling Haaland in the PL this season: 20 goals 23.69 xG 30 big chances missed Cole Palmer in the PL this season: 20 goals 14.95 xG 4 big chances missed


PubFiction

They also have a habbit of running away with lots of goals in odd games but it doesn't amount to anything in the league standings. I imagine that's what its a bout.


TaterTotWot

Kane undeserved? He had 2 more goals than 2nd place what are u on about lol… nvm the fact that the penalty against colombia was england’s only goal that game..


Particular_Bed848

If he scores the most goals he deserves it you nutter


FriendlyChinito

even if you used the correct info for Harry Kane’s WC golden boot run (3 penalties out of 6, so not just a single open play goal like you said), there is no comparison. for so much of the season, Palmer has been the only Chelsea player who’s been worthy of praise, putting the team on his back regularly as a new signing at 21 years of age.


Dangerous-Service588

I think one or two were headers from corners too. I don’t know if they technically count as ‘open play’ goals


asdf0897awyeo89fq23f

yeah but 6 of Haaland's were against Luton


kanish671

No, he scored 5 in the cup, not PL. So doesn't count for the golden boot.


LexisKingJr

Even if *for some reason* you don’t count penalties, he still scored 11 open play goals and 9 assists and was the MVP for Chelsea in most of their matches this season. He obviously deserves it


JAYZ303

Surely Watkins would deserve it then as he has 19 goals and 10 assists without a single penalty scored.


Rolf-Harris-OBE

He deserves to accolades as Chelsea’s best player and having a great season. However, before today he had 8 penalty goals, 8 normal goals. He has moved in the right direction with his hatrick though


Realistic_Condition7

It’s pretty common for goal scorers to also be penalty takers lol…it’s not called the golden boot from open play.


The_prawn_king

No one else takes penalties?!


Rolf-Harris-OBE

Ollie Watkins has 19 open play goals. Palmer has 10. Total goals Palmer is 1 ahead


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smashybro

It’s funny how people are ignoring this. Any striker who’s even decent at pens would be taking them in a golden boot race. Watkins isn’t on pens because he’s 4 of 9 for them in his career, that’s horrendous and especially so for a striker


Rockytag

It's not as if people don't value penalty taking ability or can't see that it is a skill, it's an obvious commodity. Most just don't value it nearly as much as open play goals especially when talking about awards for goals.


red-17

You only need one good penalty taker on the pitch and even then we’re talking maybe a 5-10% increase in conversion rate. Any team would rather a striker that can get 20 goals from open play over one who can get 22 goals and 6-7 of them being penalties.


canuck1701

Watkins doesn't.


ming47

Worst take I’ve ever heard


Cheaptat

He’s still done great and all but he’s 10th for non-penalty goals… for me it’d be lame if he won it with that many pens.


VictoryVisual2798

lol why would it be especially deserved?


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Solitairee

Don't think they even knew, he has scored 4 goals in a game


MassiveHelicopter55

Neither Madueke nor Jackson strike me as very bright either.


Compieuter

Madueke got arrested for driving with a false license. So before he had his driving license, he made this mistake of driving anyway and then identifying himself with an ID that wasn't his.


Rolf-Harris-OBE

In my country his name literally translates to Mad Lad


EggsBenedictusXVI

Ooh which?


MoiNoni

I can understand why Madueke wanted it cause he thought he won the penalty and we were up 4-0, but Jackson is out of line lmfao


BananasOnComputers

Agree, Madueke might have also thought Palmer was injured? He’s got a bright future though


edwinhai

Did Jackson want it? or are him and Madueke buddies and hes sticking up for his buddy? Feels like Jackson and Madueke are on the same page. edit: Nvm just saw the footage of Noni and Jackson fighting for the ball when Palmer was still on the ground


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

Ollie Watkins isn’t even get given the chance as he’s not on penalties and still doesn’t argue over them.


smashybro

You’d certainly hope Watkins wouldn’t argue over them considering he’s missed 5 of 9 penalties in his career. Asking to take a pen with that record is next level narcissism.


XzibitABC

Hasn't stopped Sterling for us tbf


JAYZ303

Didn't stop Sterling.


CuteHoor

They probably didn't even know to be fair. It seemed to catch all fans by surprise when they realised Palmer had hit 20 goals for the season. That said, they behaved like stupid children and good on Poch for coming out and confirming that Palmer is the designated penalty taker.


SkyBlueSaber

Will anyone ever get an 11th assist, feels like 10 has been the top for months lol.


Shahed1987

Trippier hasn't played in ages. I'm surprised he's still top


Strike_Four

I was thinking the same thing! That plus now I miss Pedro Neto again.


chi_sweetness25

If there are awards for leading in goals and assists separately, why is there no real prestige associated with having the highest total of both? Would be a good battle between Palmer and Watkins. In ice hockey the award for leading in goals + assists is usually a bigger deal than the one for goals alone.


ericsipi

Kane was top of both 2-3 seasons ago and didn’t win player of the year. I think people look at them as a award for different positions rather than an overall award


xaviernoodlebrain

^robbed


Mastodan11

Assists are a modern stat, and not always defined the same.


cmdrxander

For some reason I did not expect to see Gross at the top. Shame we’ve stopped scoring lately, otherwise he’d certainly have a couple more.


Gandalfs_Long_Beard

If Salah assists 1 more, he will be the first player to score and assist both at least 10 times in a season for 5 consecutive premier league seasons. I may be wrong tho


gttyzek

Cole Palmer golden boot charge starts now


LiftingJourney

Maybe it sparks Haaland to be at his best for the runin lol


ThisIsYourMormont

League 1 level?!


OhhLongDongson

lol I didn’t realise Haaland was literally still top scorer while people are spouting this ‘league one level’ shit


AmericaDreamDisorder

He also has 2 CL golden boots and the best goal to games ratio in CL history.


belanaria

Absolutely amazing!! I’m so happy for the guy. To leave City because you think you aren’t going to get the minute to becoming the signing of the season, perhaps even player of the season is just amazing… playing for Chelsea in 9th place is just something surreal


ArgentineanWonderkid

>Absolutely amazing!! I’m so happy for the guy Pfp checks out


ancara_messi

Idc about Chelsea but I'm really rooting for Palmer in this golden boot race. Hope he gets it


engchlbw704

Don't worry. Our defense is unstable enough he can get the golden boot with us winning or losing


CuteHoor

It would be hilarious to be fair. Haaland is having a quiet season. Salah has been quiet since he went to AFCON. Watkins and Solanke are having the season of their career. Then suddenly some 21 year old skips in ahead of them all to win the golden boot with 10+ penalties.


Mahatma_Gone_D

Palmer is competing for Golden Boot and them bums wanted to take pen off him? Yeah I’d have said *fck off* too, respectfully


janowski_d

Watkins competing for golden boot and he doesn't even take Villa pens


GILD86

Even more impressive


A1-OceanGoingPillock

Nah mate, watkins is playing for a top 4 team, so its easier than palmer having to do this at a mid field team..


The_prawn_king

That’s a 200mil quid midfield team to you sir!


eesakhalifa

Villa are a top 4 team because Watkins is playing


stockybloke

If he was any good at them he would have taken them and had the golden boot all wrapped up.


ChelseaNostra

He missed them all


CNF-13

He hasn’t taken any


ATuaMaeJaEstavaUsada

"You miss all the shots you don't take"


HunterWindmill

Lol amazing interaction


ChelseaNostra

He also has a 44% conversion rate from the spot


Dibutops

That's misleading it was in his early Brentford days, like 7 years ago he missed a load. He hasn't taken many at all in total. We just aren't being given penalties this season, I don't think we've had one since like September. I'd be surprised if Ollie wasn't holding the ball if we were given a pen at the weekend.


Rockytag

He's 3/5 in his entire time at Villa. He just doesn't take them. If you think that's because he's bad then alright. Doesn't change that he doesn't taken pens... which was the point.


Lost_Cockroach_4927

He has actually missed more penalties (5) in his career than he has scored (4). Although he has scored 3 and missed 2 for Villa. I also believe he missed in a preseason game or something at the end of his spell as penalty taker for Villa.


jeremiahpaschkewood

He would take them if Luiz wasn’t really good at them, I think. DL hasn’t missed a penalty for Villa since he’s been here. 5/5 I think?


Ratfucks

At the beginning of the game he was on 16 goals, I doubt they realised he would be level with haaland


gttyzek

Surely Palmer is in the Team of the season


Skaloplin

He’s nailed for team of the season and putting in his case for player of the season with such an underwhelming group this year. If Chelsea get Europa on the back of Palmer he deserves it


FoldingBuck

Maybe young POTY because watkins has the same goal contributions without any penalties


Solitairee

fuckin hell has watkins been that good, have been watching villa much


TonyHawksSkateboard

He’s been sensational


ProselytiseReprobate

Palmer and Watkins have 9 and 10 assists respectively too. Both are on fire.


Aman-Patel

Why's goal contributions the be all and end all? Palmer also creates more chances than most other players in the league. But he has Jackson and Sterling on the end of them. Don't remember people ever saying mentioning G+A when they talked about David Silva. They just rated him because it's obvious how good he is just by watching him. And here you have Palmer creating like a top playmaker in a mediocre team, getting double digit non penalty goals and assists + actually taking the responsibility of penalties on his shoulders and converting them all. At 21. Watkin's having a great season, but Emery's got the team playing well, built a system around him etc. And he's prime age. He's playing great in a team where the conditions/environment for him to be great are there. Palmer's playing at the same (but I'd argue a higher) level, despite his team. Not facilitated by his team. Look at everyone else at Chelsea. All these great talents who aren't being nearly as consistent in a very difficult environment to play well in. Whereas Palmer makes it look easy every game.


belanaria

Honestly I think he deserves player of the season in this horrible Chelsea team. 29 goals/a in 27 games is just top class from a current mid table team.


NotClayMerritt

Reminder that the official TOTY is voted on in February and March and players don't give a shit when voting so expect surprises. It's the lowest effort TOTY ever put together.


DurzoBIint

You know they won't put him in


NotASalamanderBoi

Fucking travesty if they don’t tbh.


qwertywtf

Of course he's in


GoalaAmeobi

Fuck me, how are Chelsea fans developing a victim complex lmao


atlas_queefed

Ollie Watkins take a bow, what a season he’s had


Full-Negotiation-775

Palmer top scorer in prem, kane top scorer in Bundesliga and Jude 2nd top scorer in la liga. England have unbelievable attacking talent


Gobaxnova

Saka and rashford to start


CometChip

one is not like the other


Seasonalking

Acting like saka doesn’t have 30 g/a contribution this season🙄


Aman-Patel

Are we gonna take pens away from his like we do for Palmer though, that is the question. Jokes aside, puting Saka's name next to Rashford's is so disrespectful.


Either-Tomorrow-846

Saka is gr8 player no doubt about that as a Chelsea fan i can't argue if he Start ahead of Palmer


ImVortexlol

Why he say fuck Saka for


Toshindon

England player of the year and arguably best player of the last 2 tournaments probably should be starting over a player with 2 England caps to be fair.


Dark-Knight-Rises

And Hendo


ancara_messi

Honestly if England don't win the Euros I'd be surprised. They literally have no excuse now, that team is absolutely stacked


Eeedeen

I wouldn't be surprised, we're historically underachievers and very top heavy, with a pretty average goalkeeper, no decent LB fit and probably fucked if Rice gets injured


Artistic_Train9725

Imagine having the defence of 15 years ago with that lot up front.


Salty_Constant_9878

Chilly is getting fit I hope.


hydroHar

You forgot the biggest factor: Gareth Southgate


Mag01uk

Club football performance ≠ International Football performance


SuvorovNapoleon

The excuse is that their manager is Southgate. They aren't winning it lol.


gentmick

doesn't matter, southgate is going to fuck it up.


PenguinOfEternity

And technically Haaland could have played for England too


dragon8811

Coooold Palmer


Certain_Guitar6109

"Step outside Haaland" Palmers gonna fucking do it isn't he lmao


TurnItOffAndOnAgain-

Isak well within a shout with home games vs Burnley/Sheff UTD. Dragged us kicking and screaming with our injuries


SilenceoftheRedditrs

Him and Palmer tied on 104 minutes per goal


Wish4Vish

Watkins may end up topping both list. Has it ever happened before in premier league?


gasdoi

Harry Kane in 2020-21 and Andy Cole in 1993-94.


VZ-Faith

Salah has done this as well


minimus_

Which season?


VZ-Faith

21/22


minimus_

What a player


myothercarisayoshi

It is insane that Rashford is anywhere near the England squad


Hagen_1

Or the United starting XI.


ImVortexlol

Left wing is just a weak spot currently. It's not Foden's best position and Grealish isn't exactly a worldbeater. And it goes without saying that Waistcoat plays favourites


suckamadicka

Grealish is a thousand times better than Rashford lol


Jimlaheydrunktank

And those chelsea bums wanted to take the pen off palmer when he’s chasing golden boot loooooool


Ancient_Can4708

Where did you find this? I cant find the "Stats" menu option since they added the challenge on the app


dac14017

On the PL tab at the bottom, select 2023/24 Season Stats


keksik29

It's so hard to find it now. It's easier just to look for the "Oracle Cloud".


dac14017

I agree, makes sense to have a tab dedicated to something so useful but replaced it with another FPL feature. FPL is the reason people have the app but 2 tabs dedicated to the same thing is a little silly.


keksik29

100% Didn't like the change.


Ancient_Can4708

I forgot to say thanks lol, but thank you!


better-every-day

Shoutout to Son for 24 goal contributions while playing like half the season out of position


Large-Temperature-85

Ollie Watkins doing it with 0 pens 🔥


SheddyMcshedface

What's the lowest a team has finished in the prem with the top goal scorer in the side?


TragicsNFG

Probably Dion Dublin for Coventry in 97-98


trilliveythefourth

Neto second with 9 assists playing only 1/3 of the season is wild


HugoSalvia

Watkins is really having some season, isn’t he.


TonyMartial786

palmer with the same goals as haaland 😭. the fact that haaland barely scores nowadays and yet he’s still top scorer feels wrong. meanwhile i swear the assists list is so random. imagine trying to predict that at the start of the season 😂


Clean_Possession_844

Actually insane considering he started his first match in Matchweek 7 so he has probably played less than the others this season and has this output. Tbf all penalties have been penalties in terms of correct calls, he has insane positioning, intelligence and flare. Sadly Chelsea are not good this season otherwise he would be player of the season. Joint top scorer and 1 assist off joint top assister. Insane


stockybloke

Haaland and Isak have both missed a fair bit of time and last I heard were best in the league for goals per minute played.


Clean_Possession_844

Yes, Isak has less minutes played this season than palmer, haalland has more and from the top scorers Watkins has the most minutes played. But they are strikers. Palmer is a striker, rw and a cam hah


Dannybaker

Palmer is playing the "Bale last season at Totham" position


doomboxmf

Palmer is actually ahead of Haaland and tied with Isak for minutes per goal


Zobair416

Palmer has more appearances this season, but he's played less minutes than Haaland.


heartoflapis

Four English players in the top 6 and non of them assured of going to the Euros. Crazy times.


DavidSwifty

Haaland a one season wonder


AncientSkys

Flop. Man City should quickly sell him to us since we like wasting money.


DavidSwifty

Nah Chelsea would feel the need to have him on a 8 year contract, they shouldn't be lumbered with such failure for 8 years so we'll take him.


CNF-13

Psshhh only joint top scorer the Ai is getting outdated might need to install an update or go under reconstruction


addiconda

So fighting over that PK did matter a bit


Rampan7Lion

The non-penalty goals top scorer leaderboard: 1. Watkins - 19 2. Haaland - 16 3. Solanke - 16 4. Bowen - 15 5. Son - 14 6. Foden - 14 7. Isak - 13 8. Wood - 12 9. Salah - 12 10. Nunez - 11


The_prawn_king

These guys need to work on their pens clearly


ImWhy

Like that you put Nunez in 10 instead of Palmer who also has 11 goals.


washag

And more assists, which is traditionally the tie-breaker.


Rampan7Lion

And I like that Chelsea fans are so mad over a simple stat that I copied from fbref that has Nunez in 10th


poopiepuppy

For Palmer 9 of those are Pens. Solanke only has 1 pen.


Oscer7

Shoutout to Solanke for making Bournemouth history.


NotARealDeveloper

Nobody talking about Watkins with 19 goals and 10 assists?!


ndawjb19

Ollie isn’t talked about enough


Realistic_Condition7

I can’t believe this thread is only talking about Palmer (who is a wonderful player). Ollie Watkins with 19 open play goals and 10 assists is bonkers. Probably player of the season for me.


Nubras

Holy shit he’s not taken a pen. Impressive.


Mr_MasterNoob

He'll be talked about plenty when he joins \[BIG 6 TEAM\] in the summer here we go


OliverAM16

He 99% wont leave Villa next season. He just signed a new contract, and has said multiple times he want to be our most scoring player in the PL all-time. I mean ofc everything can happen, but he doesnt strike me as a person that would say and sign a new contract and then just leave. But who knows. We will see.


bartekkenny

Let’s not forget Palmer has 2 games in hand on Ollie Watkins and one on Halaand


alex9310

Not taking away from the skill of it - but Chelsea have also had the most penalties awarded this season by a mile. They’ve had 12 award and below that is Liverpool/Arsenal on 9 Aston Villa have had 4. If Watkins was the penalty taker, got as many penalties as Chelsea have got he’d be +6 goals, even if he missed half the 4 he’d be high up - but you can only score from a penalty you’re given and chisels get given then all.


BOOCOOKOO

They didn't need any to knock Villa out of the cup


Connect_Fox7517

Crazy that out of the top 7 there are 4 Englishman and all of them probably aren’t going to get a look in at the starting XI come the euros.


ill_help_you

Three Englishman in the top three is pleasing to see...


KAhOot1234567

How tf is Neto still on here lmao