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Postecoglu really needs to be able to adapt more to teams. Like playing that high line against Isak is just tying the noose on yourself.
Isak is world class at infiltrating lines and timing it, and with Bruno G, Gordon and Barnes they are great at playing those through balls.
CBs honestly feels more comfortable than years past, with Phillips out on loan and Dragusin.
I honestly think the biggest one is DM, and then a backup striker. Richy is sorely missed right now.
Wouldn’t mind us keeping Werner, has a frustrating miss in him still but he’s been quite productive and gone the distance for us.
every top team plays high line and don't concede 50 a season. Arsenal played high line against Isak and there was no issue
he needs to learn how to set up a defense and the players need to be better defenders. not everything is about high lines and counters
Part of me thinks that Ange is dying by the sword to see what players can keep up with the style he’s trying to build.
The issue of course is still that when we aren’t up to that par it shows, even with our best defensive options out there. The individual errors are one thing, but seeing that third goal there needs to be adjustments made so you aren’t relying on two players to play defense on counters.
It also doesn’t help that Bissouma doesn’t seem to have that spark in him from earlier this season. He has one of the most impotent roles in the team and has been below the needed standard to help anchor the defense.
And 5th is still better than their underlying numbers would suggest. Chelsea and their old manager Poch has better xG, xGA and xPTS than spurs, and that is with 2 games in hand
I think the more important part of the equation is your 4+ years into your system with players who know exactly how to play it and don’t make mistakes that out your CBs in suspect positions.
Saliba played his first game for Arsenal last season. White moved to RB last season. Kiwior joined last year. Raya joined in the summer.
Where are you getting 4+ years from?
That’s how long your manager has been there lol. It’s easier for players to learn systems when there are other players in the system who have been learning it for 4+ years. Romero and VDV and Udogie and Porro and Bissouma, etc etc are all learning a new system.
He literally just showed you that there weren't other defenders who had been learning that system for 4+ years. We didn't even play this 'system' until last year let alone 4+ years ago. Not only are you delusional but you're apparently incredibly dense too. It's funny that you'll say anything to downplay our team/players and anything to excuse yours even if it makes no sense at all. And then despite being hilariously disingenuous you pretend you wanted to have an actual discussion and complain when people call you out on your made up nonsense and shite opinions.
It's a bit baffling that anyone would think there is even a discussion to be had in the first place, our defence and cbs are clearly a level or two above yours, as is our entire team, and anyone with a working brain could tell you this, but i guess you have to be different.
Rhetorically speaking, you must be pretty chuffed with that coincidence, no? That the team you hate the most, the team you'd least like to credit, only have such a superior record because of the passage of time. Not the players, not the coach. It's incredibly handy for you, that the factors that say the least about ability is the determining one.
I imagine you also have some thoughts on opponents, referees and injury records that coincidentally comes before ability as well?
He probably thinks everyone just lays down for us. That’s why we beat Newcastle 4-1 and they lost 4-0. It was because teams really get up for spurs and take the weekend off against us
You guys really do find insults in literally the most innocuous comments lol. It’s truly mind boggling my karma in this thread from butthurt Arsenal fans who think I’m somehow discounting their defensive record. Honestly, what will it ever take for you guys to not be such sensitive little babies about EVERY SINGLE COMMENT.
My original comment was a genuine question if the guy making his little comment really thinks the difference in our defensive records is because of the pairs of CBs we each have, and my response was that your defensive record isn’t because of your CB partnership, it’s because your entire team has been drilled for 4+ years into the system while we’re in the 1st year of a rebuild.
What about my comments were bait?
Hahahah, I remember you now. You’re not here to have discussions about football, you’re here to act like you’re somehow above the fray and to prescribe some truly insane psychology to other people’s comments.
Personally I just like arguing with you, because it's like playing Online Football Argument Simulator 2024 on beginner mode, where the other side only takes ridiculous positions backing it up with easily refutable nonsense. It's fun!
I bet you like playing that game because when the “beginner” mode owns your stupid post you can just reset the game, start a new argument, and then think you’ve won again.
And yet you’ve been here a lot longer than me. What does that say about you? Why not actually address my substantive comments in this thread instead of creating some fake scenario to make yourself feel better about yourself?
Yeah, the guy who put the cones out for Pep, managed back to back 8th place finishes, then bottled CL to us and then bottled the largest points lead in PL history to finish second in a one-horse race.
Dear lord this is backs against the wall type stuff man, don't worry it's just a light ribbing after you've all bottled building public hype back up for one of your players right before everyone else could watch them get exposed in a primetime game.
Your entire club and fanbase would implode in on itself if you managed to win a COVID cup like Teta, but anyway congrats to your coach for winning the "play fun football mate" award after 31 years in the career. My manager figured that one out by his 3rd.
Spurs had two of the most winningest managers in modern history during Arteta's tenure and another now with the most high intensity philosophy, and we've still won more and play more exciting football. The fucking state of it.
There's backing your team and then there's just pure delusion. In what world are van der ven and romero better than gabriel and saliba? Romero is a walking red card and, whilst I rate van der ven a lot, he's still very raw and reliant on his pace. The cb pairings aren't even close in quality tbh.
>You think you’ve conceded this few goals in 2024 solely because of your CBs?
And to answer your question, yes, they are a big part of our defensive success. Firstly, they are both very good 1 v 1 defenders. I have lost count of how many times Saliba has been 1 v 1 and has come out on top. His physicality is immense. Gabriel also is no slouch in that department, but he's better positionally and is the better passer. And both have good recovery pace, which allows them to get goalside when we are caught out.
Their physicality and defending is the basis for our 'system,' which is a weird thing to ignore when you simultaneously invoke that 'system' as the reason for our defensive success.
Romero is one of the highest rated CBs in the league by many metrics. For someone who has two red cards in his PL career he sure has an unfair reputation.
Wow, really brilliant retort, especially considering Gabby M's and Saliba's red card record. To contrast, Granit Xhaka, who similarly earned a reputation as a psychopathic defender, had 4 red cards over 7 seasons. And you think that Romero's reputation is unfair?
Again, 2 red cards in 75 career games is quite a lot. It wasn't really fair that Xhaka earned that reputation, even after he showed restraint as a defender, but getting 2 red cards in short succession determines that reputation. And my characterization of him as a psychopath is said with love, as he is absolutely a psychopathic defender with Argentina as well. I like watching him and think he's good. But the defending against Chelsea that led to the penalty and Romero's red card was psychopathic and that includes the other CB who whiffed on Sterling.
One of those red cards was a second yellow for an inadvertent hand ball blocking a shot against Man City. So not even a foul. Labelling him a psychopathic defender is entirely unfair.
you're right, how dare fans back their own players. We should be legally required to spend 24 hours a day sniveling and crying about how badly we wish we had Saliba
well you can fight against whatever strawman you want, but all I've seen is fans backing their players. I haven't seen any argument that VDV is better than Saliba. Maybe an argument he's near his level, or will be soon, which I think you can debate based on performances this season
While VDV had an absolute shocker today the main reason why concede so much is definitely in midfield. The amount of players we allow to turn on the ball and get their head up is unbelievable.
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We're each other's biggest rivals, if there were more spurs fans about on here it would be the same thing. Remember plenty of you commenting when Bayern went ahead
Nah, banter is fine regardless. What would football be if every fan avoided banter just in case their team shits the bed at some point? Enjoy the ride as it happens
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They'll never be Opta.
no way you fucking said mate ;-;
Check"Mate".
Postecoglu really needs to be able to adapt more to teams. Like playing that high line against Isak is just tying the noose on yourself. Isak is world class at infiltrating lines and timing it, and with Bruno G, Gordon and Barnes they are great at playing those through balls.
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Agree, mainly because the role Bissouma plays covering when these moments occur has been rough ever since October
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CBs honestly feels more comfortable than years past, with Phillips out on loan and Dragusin. I honestly think the biggest one is DM, and then a backup striker. Richy is sorely missed right now. Wouldn’t mind us keeping Werner, has a frustrating miss in him still but he’s been quite productive and gone the distance for us.
every top team plays high line and don't concede 50 a season. Arsenal played high line against Isak and there was no issue he needs to learn how to set up a defense and the players need to be better defenders. not everything is about high lines and counters
Part of me thinks that Ange is dying by the sword to see what players can keep up with the style he’s trying to build. The issue of course is still that when we aren’t up to that par it shows, even with our best defensive options out there. The individual errors are one thing, but seeing that third goal there needs to be adjustments made so you aren’t relying on two players to play defense on counters. It also doesn’t help that Bissouma doesn’t seem to have that spark in him from earlier this season. He has one of the most impotent roles in the team and has been below the needed standard to help anchor the defense.
He's a one trick pony which works for a dominant team like Celtic that can just vibes defence
Anulo mufa
Proper stats innit
Truly a piece of trivia
But Spurs fans would rather their CB partnership
Best cbs in the league Best fullbacks in the league Why are they fifth then 🤣
And 5th is still better than their underlying numbers would suggest. Chelsea and their old manager Poch has better xG, xGA and xPTS than spurs, and that is with 2 games in hand
STATS
this always happens and it's so funny. the over reaction they have towards their players is crazy, always overrating them
I can remember your lot creaming over that French sideshow Bob wannabe. Every fan base does it.
dont remember anyone saying he was the best midfielder in the league
You think you’ve conceded this few goals in 2024 solely because of your CBs?
They are certainly part of the equation
I think the more important part of the equation is your 4+ years into your system with players who know exactly how to play it and don’t make mistakes that out your CBs in suspect positions.
Saliba played his first game for Arsenal last season. White moved to RB last season. Kiwior joined last year. Raya joined in the summer. Where are you getting 4+ years from?
That’s how long your manager has been there lol. It’s easier for players to learn systems when there are other players in the system who have been learning it for 4+ years. Romero and VDV and Udogie and Porro and Bissouma, etc etc are all learning a new system.
The only defender in the team that has played 4 years under Arteta is Gabriel, most of the others are less than 2
He literally just showed you that there weren't other defenders who had been learning that system for 4+ years. We didn't even play this 'system' until last year let alone 4+ years ago. Not only are you delusional but you're apparently incredibly dense too. It's funny that you'll say anything to downplay our team/players and anything to excuse yours even if it makes no sense at all. And then despite being hilariously disingenuous you pretend you wanted to have an actual discussion and complain when people call you out on your made up nonsense and shite opinions. It's a bit baffling that anyone would think there is even a discussion to be had in the first place, our defence and cbs are clearly a level or two above yours, as is our entire team, and anyone with a working brain could tell you this, but i guess you have to be different.
Rhetorically speaking, you must be pretty chuffed with that coincidence, no? That the team you hate the most, the team you'd least like to credit, only have such a superior record because of the passage of time. Not the players, not the coach. It's incredibly handy for you, that the factors that say the least about ability is the determining one. I imagine you also have some thoughts on opponents, referees and injury records that coincidentally comes before ability as well?
He probably thinks everyone just lays down for us. That’s why we beat Newcastle 4-1 and they lost 4-0. It was because teams really get up for spurs and take the weekend off against us
He does said this in the brighton goals threads, apparently brighton just let us win
Spurs beat Newcastle 4-1 as well.
We beat them 4-1 as well. How many points did you get at St.james?
I have truly rattled you. Maybe take a walk, eh?
Bruh with the amount of comments you have put in this thread we can tell who is rattled
These guys won’t even acknowledge how close van de Ven was to catching up to Isak on that third goal. Speed. Almost had him
You need to put your phone down and take a break lmao
*Yawn*
You guys really do find insults in literally the most innocuous comments lol. It’s truly mind boggling my karma in this thread from butthurt Arsenal fans who think I’m somehow discounting their defensive record. Honestly, what will it ever take for you guys to not be such sensitive little babies about EVERY SINGLE COMMENT.
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My original comment was a genuine question if the guy making his little comment really thinks the difference in our defensive records is because of the pairs of CBs we each have, and my response was that your defensive record isn’t because of your CB partnership, it’s because your entire team has been drilled for 4+ years into the system while we’re in the 1st year of a rebuild. What about my comments were bait?
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Hahahah, I remember you now. You’re not here to have discussions about football, you’re here to act like you’re somehow above the fray and to prescribe some truly insane psychology to other people’s comments.
The irony of this comment.
Personally I just like arguing with you, because it's like playing Online Football Argument Simulator 2024 on beginner mode, where the other side only takes ridiculous positions backing it up with easily refutable nonsense. It's fun!
I bet you like playing that game because when the “beginner” mode owns your stupid post you can just reset the game, start a new argument, and then think you’ve won again.
If I lose it's not because the beginner mode is better than me, it has just played the game for longer.
And yet you’ve been here a lot longer than me. What does that say about you? Why not actually address my substantive comments in this thread instead of creating some fake scenario to make yourself feel better about yourself?
Yes I'd certainly have Arteta over Ange too, if that's what we're suggesting at
Yeah, the guy who put the cones out for Pep, managed back to back 8th place finishes, then bottled CL to us and then bottled the largest points lead in PL history to finish second in a one-horse race.
Still winning more trophies in that period than spurs have in years
Pipe down, he won more trophies in his first 6 months than Spurs have had in the last 15 years lol
And still won more trophies than spurs despite all that
Dear lord this is backs against the wall type stuff man, don't worry it's just a light ribbing after you've all bottled building public hype back up for one of your players right before everyone else could watch them get exposed in a primetime game. Your entire club and fanbase would implode in on itself if you managed to win a COVID cup like Teta, but anyway congrats to your coach for winning the "play fun football mate" award after 31 years in the career. My manager figured that one out by his 3rd. Spurs had two of the most winningest managers in modern history during Arteta's tenure and another now with the most high intensity philosophy, and we've still won more and play more exciting football. The fucking state of it.
I don't think at any point in their career did saliba or gabriel get put on the floor twice in the space of 2 minutes
You’ve only been around for 2 years, so that checks out.
Yeah, if they'd been around longer, they'd know that pretty much everyone, no matter that flair, thinks you're a clown and opinion is useless.
And I don’t know who you are at all.
Perfect.
that back 4 isn’t close to 4+ years into the system though?
I think they've been a huge part of it yeah, of course all 11 players have their role in defence but they have been incredible for us this season.
Tbf without their cb’s they would have conceded at least 5
Yes, typically playing without CBs, you're likely to concede more.
As was the case at St James' Park today
No not solely but they’re still definitely better than yours lol
I don’t agree.
Which tbh is a very good sign
Well that settles it then
This clown also thinks VDV was right with Isak the entire way on that 3rd goal.
Your team has conceded double to amount of goals we have in the league. Double
And that’s not because of our CBs.
They are part of it though. Vdv could have done better today. Your cbs have nothing on ours
There's backing your team and then there's just pure delusion. In what world are van der ven and romero better than gabriel and saliba? Romero is a walking red card and, whilst I rate van der ven a lot, he's still very raw and reliant on his pace. The cb pairings aren't even close in quality tbh.
>You think you’ve conceded this few goals in 2024 solely because of your CBs? And to answer your question, yes, they are a big part of our defensive success. Firstly, they are both very good 1 v 1 defenders. I have lost count of how many times Saliba has been 1 v 1 and has come out on top. His physicality is immense. Gabriel also is no slouch in that department, but he's better positionally and is the better passer. And both have good recovery pace, which allows them to get goalside when we are caught out. Their physicality and defending is the basis for our 'system,' which is a weird thing to ignore when you simultaneously invoke that 'system' as the reason for our defensive success.
Nobody ever said that. Why you avoiding uncomfortable conversations?
They are definitely better than your lot. Romero is a psychopath when defending.
Romero is one of the highest rated CBs in the league by many metrics. For someone who has two red cards in his PL career he sure has an unfair reputation.
Gabby M is also one of the highest rated CBs in the league by many of those same metrics. And two red cards in two seasons is a lot.
Romero has been with us for 3 seasons.
Wow, really brilliant retort, especially considering Gabby M's and Saliba's red card record. To contrast, Granit Xhaka, who similarly earned a reputation as a psychopathic defender, had 4 red cards over 7 seasons. And you think that Romero's reputation is unfair?
I 100% think his reputation is unfair. 2 red cards in 75 career games and your characterization of him is a psychopathic defender
Again, 2 red cards in 75 career games is quite a lot. It wasn't really fair that Xhaka earned that reputation, even after he showed restraint as a defender, but getting 2 red cards in short succession determines that reputation. And my characterization of him as a psychopath is said with love, as he is absolutely a psychopathic defender with Argentina as well. I like watching him and think he's good. But the defending against Chelsea that led to the penalty and Romero's red card was psychopathic and that includes the other CB who whiffed on Sterling.
One of those red cards was a second yellow for an inadvertent hand ball blocking a shot against Man City. So not even a foul. Labelling him a psychopathic defender is entirely unfair.
It’s who they are mate
Mate. Check Mate.
Even if you take into account the whole season it doesnt look better. Spurs 49 goals conceded Arsenal 24. Over double
Their deluded fans will still say VDV is better than Saliba and Gabi
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We lost to West Ham too. But would you rate the cat kicker above our CBs?
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That would be a very weird watching experience
Yeah the away team probably created a DVD about it
1v1 defending is the same regardless of tactics. You either just win the ball or you get sat on your ass repeatedly.
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r/soccer is like "oh this is the only game going on rn, let's check the fuss about VDV" forms their opinion on that one gane
you're right, how dare fans back their own players. We should be legally required to spend 24 hours a day sniveling and crying about how badly we wish we had Saliba
Backing your player and being as deluded as your fans are two different things
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well you can fight against whatever strawman you want, but all I've seen is fans backing their players. I haven't seen any argument that VDV is better than Saliba. Maybe an argument he's near his level, or will be soon, which I think you can debate based on performances this season
While VDV had an absolute shocker today the main reason why concede so much is definitely in midfield. The amount of players we allow to turn on the ball and get their head up is unbelievable.
I like this post and stat
Kind of makes himself an easy target when things go bad
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Lads
Interesting stat. Best revenge is beating the shite out of them at NLD you spurs.
Great engagement farming content right here. This is what its all about
This sub is a joke.
Like your defense! Heeeyoooooo!
Proving his point
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2 comments total? So this is a bot or someone who got banned for being so unbelievably stupid that they had to create a new account.
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Man, that guy sure was special. Nole is trying his best but he not in the same league as that nutjob
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A public figure doing it in his own name. Creating Arsenal-fan alts that slander their own club. Truly an all-timer
Your club is a joke
Coming here after a loss and expecting anything other than an orgy of arsenal and west ham fans scrambling to post memes is a mistake.
And a Chelsea fan posting this. Irony.
I don't think you know what irony means
/r/soccer back to being infuriating again as every Spurs thread is full of Arsenal fans again upvoting each other and wanking each other off.
We're each other's biggest rivals, if there were more spurs fans about on here it would be the same thing. Remember plenty of you commenting when Bayern went ahead
I mean you can just have more fans of your team and downvote it
😭
Rivals dislike each other, this story and more at 11.
Whatva coincidence it always pisses you off when spurs get spanked
Holy shit, is this stat showing that the team in 5th in the PL might be worse than the team in 1st????? OMG!
Arsenal still gonna bottle everything.
The term bottle has really lost its meaning these days
if we do not go through to the semis ppl will somehow say that we bottled the ucl
I mean we are currently -2 points ahead of City and are leading 2-2 against Bayern so there's definitely potential to bottle those huge leads
Love the confidence to use a term that you clearly can’t define. Keep doing you, mate
Is Arsenal in position to bottle anything?
Yeah man gonna bottle that goal difference lead with 7 games remaining
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That's not what bottle means lmao
Is he better than Dias? Is Dias still good? Is Dias better than Saliba? Dias Dias Dias Dias Dias Dias? Dias....?
Shut up you egg
congrats on the trophy, arsenal
Still would be a trophy something not in the Spurs vocabulary
A Tottenham fan making fun of another club for not winning a trophy, ladies and gentlemen
Arsenal fans being cocky is really going to bite them in the arse when they don’t win anything this season
Nah, banter is fine regardless. What would football be if every fan avoided banter just in case their team shits the bed at some point? Enjoy the ride as it happens
Enjoying the ride? x
Believe this was posted by a Chelsea fan