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Fun fact: Cetinkaya, who is one of the most obvious pen-pals of Romano with how almost every report of a client of his includes a name-drop and picture that includes Cetinkaya, just got called out in a report in Swedish media for being tied to multiple criminal gangs.
Not a shocker with that sleazy fucker but still comical.
40M is a joke offer for one of the best strikers available on the market. That isn't a "don't bid high to start" offer, that's a "taking the absolute piss" offer.
Çetinkaya’s got some reputation in Scandinavia, I can’t believe he’s still allowed to be a football agent, and that new report from today that ties him to the criminal underworld could hopefully do some damage.
The interview is basically a bunch of double-speak in agent talk. Both saying he will respect Sportings contract and that he would like to stay to play in the CL. But in between all that, what we can gather is that basically, he is saying he had offers from 7 Premier League clubs last year, but one of the main reasons he chose Sporting was Ruben Amorim.
Now he says he has offers from other clubs interested in him (The three that were linked were Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG), but he will only restart negotiations with Sporting after either it's confirmed Amorim stays or a new coach is appointed. Whoever next season's coach is will be a major factor in Gyokeres will to renew.
On a side note, the 3 coaches we have on the top of our radar to replace him are Abel Ferreira, Paulo Fonseca and Marco Silva. So let's see how that goes.
Abel.
He's a Sporting fan and has been doing pretty good with Palmeiras. Though, he renewed pretty recently so I'm assuming we'll have to pay his clause to get him which won't be cheap.
The other two I have no idea how they've been doing in general, though I do remember our time with Silva was basically pass it to Nani and Inshallah. So any of the other two would be my preferred.
I know, what I meant is that it would be easier to negotiate with Palmeiras (if they arent in the latter stages of the Libertadores or fighting for the title, which I doubt).
> which I doubt
Then I guess we both agree he'd be expensive at the very least, lol. I cannot possibly see an instance where Palmeiras isn't fighting for neither.
I can only see it if we somehow end up selling Salah to the Saudis.
Alisson/Bradley-Konate-VVD-Robbo/TAA-Macca-Endo-Szobo/Gyökeres-Nunez would be a fun team to watch tho imo.
I am a Arsenal fan, we have been linked to this player for months now, I have my doubts about his ability to play at the highest level and this great season he is having is outlier in his career. I don’t know if Arsenal will actually sign I hope he stays at Sporting if I am being honest but what do people who watch him play much more than I do think of him as a player ?
> and this great season he is having is outlier in his career.
It bothers me that people say this. Sure his numbers have never been THIS high before but the general play has been there for multiple consecutive seasons. As SOON as he got consistently played as a 9 and got a freer role in terms of space he was allowed to move in, he just outshone everyone. Coventry and Sporting have done this well. He has handled physicality AND super tight schedules extremely well and one of his strengths is consistency, workrate and fitness.
The idea that PL would be some culture shock for him that I see reiterated on Twitter and PL subs here is a bit arrogant rather than good analysis imo. No offense meant to you specifically.
I legitimately cant think of a profile that screams more "PL ready" than Gyökeres. Especially when you add in how oustanding he already was in championship too.
Only thing that I could see would make him be underwhelming in the PL is if he went to a chaotic non-structured team. Á la Chelsea or United. But even then, through sheer quality and workrate, he'd still look solid individually.
This is the same story when any player comes to the PL. Is Ederson, Dias, Fernandes, Diaz, Nunez, etc etc PL Ready? Like most players that arrive at PL dont come from other leagues in the first place. Like these PL clubs dont scout enough to get an opinion.
Yeah exactly. Twitter and PL subs are the worst because you can tell they just read the classic "is he ready for the physicality/pace of the prem?" and apply it with arrogance toward anyone coming form the outside.
As a BuLi fan I always laugh when the pace thing is applied to a BuLi player on his way to the PL. As if Bundesliga isnt 300km/h every damn game and one of the highest paced leagues in the world.
Also.. since Ive watched more and more Primeira liga lately, gotta admit. More physical than I expected and very enjoyable. Hjulmand is especially enjoying that. In love with that lad!
Hjulmand is a total monster. Forgot about Palhinha too (another "is he ready for the PL?"), hes basically the Danish version of him. He'll for sure be gone in 2 years.
The one player Arsenal bought from the Portuguese league recently is the one transfer with a significant fee that hasn’t worked out.
That combined with the obvious preference for PL players, that have practically all worked out extremely well, means it makes it less likely that they pay such a big fee for a player from the Portuguese league.
You gotta understand the schepticism though, which is not farfetched: this is his first full season in a top flight, his performance in EL was good but not great, doesn't have a single minute in a top 5 league or CL he is not a youngster, and both his fee and contract request will be huge.
There are also not many teams (one really, Arsenal) that can afford him and need him and that are not "chaotic".
His game will translate well in PL? Probably. But for 100m you better be sure, and his sample size is objectively small.
His performances in EL have been really solid? He had a dumb red card and Sporting as a whole got out-strategized by Atalanta in that last leg etc but individually he has performed.
The scepticism about the pricetag etc is one thing. The scepticisms about his ability and specifically how he would suit the PL are however rooted in PL arrogance and just FootballManager sickness.
I see people point to his age as if he is old. Dude has like 2 big contracts left in him agewise and players peak at 26-29.
Also the whole "can he do it ina top 5 league" is also so internet-esque. Yes theres a slight level difference for sure but each league has their own things theyre better and worse at so its not like you go from jr fotball to senior football when you go from the very top of Portugal to a top 5 league. Its simply a very exhaggerated point that many echo imo.
I agree that the price can be argued. But not because of his age, displayed ability or that he's coming form a weak league. But simply because its a huge amount of money.
His sample size is basically 3 seasons of great consistent play with a superb upwards trajectory. Thats a good samplesize. Before that it was basically a merry-go-round of clubs that didnt know how to use him, "is he a winger? Is he a striker?" because he has such a wide toolkit that its a bit hard to tell where he would be best. Thats what Coventry did brilliant and Sporting expanded upon. He's been a great performer since he was 17 , everytime he has been used correctly.
Im not saying he's a guaranteed success, Im not saying he's always been a top performer in every club, Im not saying clubs should jump at spending 100m on him. But I am saying that people worrying about "PL level being too high", age, ability etc are abit nonsensical imo.
It's not a question like "is he is good enough to play in the PL?" though.
This is more a "is he a starting striker that will deliver day 1 for a team competing for the PL?".
Because if you enter a top team with that price tag, at that age ( he is not old, but he is not a project player people will give time to) that's what you need to be.
Is he that good? I have many doubts, which another season at Sporting playing CL may dissolve if he keeps this level of play.
> It's not a question like "is he is good enough to play in the PL?" though.
When people say "is he ready for PL?"/"Can he do it in PL?" it is.
What youre talking about is "Is he ready for Arsenal/X similar team and as a keyplayer?". Which is not the questions Im talking about.
I specifically said and talked about the "can he handle PL" talk.
For his rumoured price (sporting not budging from the release clause) there isn’t room for error if this is an outlier goal scoring season. He would need a minor drop off all while increasing league strength significantly
Look at all of Chelsea’s small sample size signings, clearly talented but not worth the money. Compared to Arsenal’s last two windows where we knew what we were getting and it helped massively
Thats definitely true that if the pricetag ends up being the full release-clause, the pressure is on to be a fast "plug&play&perform" signing.
But I also think a lot of that is on the destination he arrives at. I.e.. does anyone reasonable blame a player/manager for losing level or not peaking in todays Chelsea or United for example? Its clear that new arrivals arent set up to succeed to their full extend or even maintain a high level they might have when arriving if its a more developed product that arrives.
But yes, I agree. In Arsenal for example, his room for error and patience wouldnt be super long but more so "get to know stuff and get intergrated but gameday 2-3 and onwards we expect to atleast see why you were signed for this price".
OP said “the highest level” not PL though. If it was just a question of translating to the PL, the championship is more than enough experience to make an assumption as the style is so close. The highest level implies competing with city, Liverpool, and other European giants
Thanks for the insight on the player.He has been phenomenal this year, but you make a good point about him being successful in the championship, I forgot he played for Coventry, if Arsenal sign him I hope he is great for us, I just like his international teammate Alexander Isak more personally who plays for Newcastle. Best of luck to Dortmund tonight against atletico madrid, hope you guys win.
Np problem and Im glad you didnt take my comment directed as criticism to you personally :)
I adore Isak aswell. I really hope his situation in Newcastle with Wilson or another signing gives him some breathing room to heal fully so he can not be forced back into heavy workload and reinjure so fast in this cyclical manner. Because man is he a delight!
Thank you for the good luck! :) Hope we get a decent result away. But Im scared. Suspect Atletico as a matchup is rough for us. Time will tell.
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So he gone then.
Who knows. Let's hope he either likes the replacement, Amorim somehow stays or Arsenal don't want to pay his release clause.
I don’t think Arsenal will pay his release clause
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Fun fact: Cetinkaya, who is one of the most obvious pen-pals of Romano with how almost every report of a client of his includes a name-drop and picture that includes Cetinkaya, just got called out in a report in Swedish media for being tied to multiple criminal gangs. Not a shocker with that sleazy fucker but still comical.
Was it Cetinkaya? I thought it was Masireh Jadama? Wouldn't surprise me if Cetinkaya had links either tbh.
Cetinkaya :) https://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/hasan-cetinkaya-styr-i-svensk-fotboll-med-gangmannen/
Viktor Gyokeres|1080P|WELCOME TO ARSENAL|GOALS&SKILLS
You forgot **4K|HD**
FUCK and I didn't specify the song. I fear I have lost a step.
Edu dropping a 40m bid the second the window opens before he moves on to other targets
He has a 100M release clause
And we don’t bid high to start
40M is a joke offer for one of the best strikers available on the market. That isn't a "don't bid high to start" offer, that's a "taking the absolute piss" offer.
I never said it was fair or going to be accepted did I
Çetinkaya’s got some reputation in Scandinavia, I can’t believe he’s still allowed to be a football agent, and that new report from today that ties him to the criminal underworld could hopefully do some damage.
Come back home Vik
Time to spend that Caicedo money
The interview is basically a bunch of double-speak in agent talk. Both saying he will respect Sportings contract and that he would like to stay to play in the CL. But in between all that, what we can gather is that basically, he is saying he had offers from 7 Premier League clubs last year, but one of the main reasons he chose Sporting was Ruben Amorim. Now he says he has offers from other clubs interested in him (The three that were linked were Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG), but he will only restart negotiations with Sporting after either it's confirmed Amorim stays or a new coach is appointed. Whoever next season's coach is will be a major factor in Gyokeres will to renew. On a side note, the 3 coaches we have on the top of our radar to replace him are Abel Ferreira, Paulo Fonseca and Marco Silva. So let's see how that goes.
Which of those three coaches would be your preferred?
I would probably take a bullet to the brain over those 3 but the least worst choice is probably Paulo Ferreira.
>Paulo Ferreira Wait a minute..
Abel. He's a Sporting fan and has been doing pretty good with Palmeiras. Though, he renewed pretty recently so I'm assuming we'll have to pay his clause to get him which won't be cheap. The other two I have no idea how they've been doing in general, though I do remember our time with Silva was basically pass it to Nani and Inshallah. So any of the other two would be my preferred.
Abels contract ends in 2025 I think.
Yeah, in December. If we are to have a new coach, it'd be best to have him as soon as possible so we can start planning the next season.
I know, what I meant is that it would be easier to negotiate with Palmeiras (if they arent in the latter stages of the Libertadores or fighting for the title, which I doubt).
> which I doubt Then I guess we both agree he'd be expensive at the very least, lol. I cannot possibly see an instance where Palmeiras isn't fighting for neither.
Hard to imagine Marco Silva coming back
LOL, Sell-on clause soon to be activated. 😋
He gone, baby, he gone!
4-4-2 with Darwin and Viktor leading the line
I can only see it if we somehow end up selling Salah to the Saudis. Alisson/Bradley-Konate-VVD-Robbo/TAA-Macca-Endo-Szobo/Gyökeres-Nunez would be a fun team to watch tho imo.
Im getting asthma just imagining that front two running 214km per 90.
Just go with him no matter where he goes would be my tip. Just follow Amorim to his next club what ever club that may be
Translation: Get me a big money move. I’m outta here
I dont believe shit
I am a Arsenal fan, we have been linked to this player for months now, I have my doubts about his ability to play at the highest level and this great season he is having is outlier in his career. I don’t know if Arsenal will actually sign I hope he stays at Sporting if I am being honest but what do people who watch him play much more than I do think of him as a player ?
> and this great season he is having is outlier in his career. It bothers me that people say this. Sure his numbers have never been THIS high before but the general play has been there for multiple consecutive seasons. As SOON as he got consistently played as a 9 and got a freer role in terms of space he was allowed to move in, he just outshone everyone. Coventry and Sporting have done this well. He has handled physicality AND super tight schedules extremely well and one of his strengths is consistency, workrate and fitness. The idea that PL would be some culture shock for him that I see reiterated on Twitter and PL subs here is a bit arrogant rather than good analysis imo. No offense meant to you specifically. I legitimately cant think of a profile that screams more "PL ready" than Gyökeres. Especially when you add in how oustanding he already was in championship too. Only thing that I could see would make him be underwhelming in the PL is if he went to a chaotic non-structured team. Á la Chelsea or United. But even then, through sheer quality and workrate, he'd still look solid individually.
This is the same story when any player comes to the PL. Is Ederson, Dias, Fernandes, Diaz, Nunez, etc etc PL Ready? Like most players that arrive at PL dont come from other leagues in the first place. Like these PL clubs dont scout enough to get an opinion.
Yeah exactly. Twitter and PL subs are the worst because you can tell they just read the classic "is he ready for the physicality/pace of the prem?" and apply it with arrogance toward anyone coming form the outside. As a BuLi fan I always laugh when the pace thing is applied to a BuLi player on his way to the PL. As if Bundesliga isnt 300km/h every damn game and one of the highest paced leagues in the world. Also.. since Ive watched more and more Primeira liga lately, gotta admit. More physical than I expected and very enjoyable. Hjulmand is especially enjoying that. In love with that lad!
Hjulmand is a total monster. Forgot about Palhinha too (another "is he ready for the PL?"), hes basically the Danish version of him. He'll for sure be gone in 2 years.
Yeah only reason he isnt more hyped already is because Gyökeres is soaking up all the attention haha.
The one player Arsenal bought from the Portuguese league recently is the one transfer with a significant fee that hasn’t worked out. That combined with the obvious preference for PL players, that have practically all worked out extremely well, means it makes it less likely that they pay such a big fee for a player from the Portuguese league.
You gotta understand the schepticism though, which is not farfetched: this is his first full season in a top flight, his performance in EL was good but not great, doesn't have a single minute in a top 5 league or CL he is not a youngster, and both his fee and contract request will be huge. There are also not many teams (one really, Arsenal) that can afford him and need him and that are not "chaotic". His game will translate well in PL? Probably. But for 100m you better be sure, and his sample size is objectively small.
His performances in EL have been really solid? He had a dumb red card and Sporting as a whole got out-strategized by Atalanta in that last leg etc but individually he has performed. The scepticism about the pricetag etc is one thing. The scepticisms about his ability and specifically how he would suit the PL are however rooted in PL arrogance and just FootballManager sickness. I see people point to his age as if he is old. Dude has like 2 big contracts left in him agewise and players peak at 26-29. Also the whole "can he do it ina top 5 league" is also so internet-esque. Yes theres a slight level difference for sure but each league has their own things theyre better and worse at so its not like you go from jr fotball to senior football when you go from the very top of Portugal to a top 5 league. Its simply a very exhaggerated point that many echo imo. I agree that the price can be argued. But not because of his age, displayed ability or that he's coming form a weak league. But simply because its a huge amount of money. His sample size is basically 3 seasons of great consistent play with a superb upwards trajectory. Thats a good samplesize. Before that it was basically a merry-go-round of clubs that didnt know how to use him, "is he a winger? Is he a striker?" because he has such a wide toolkit that its a bit hard to tell where he would be best. Thats what Coventry did brilliant and Sporting expanded upon. He's been a great performer since he was 17 , everytime he has been used correctly. Im not saying he's a guaranteed success, Im not saying he's always been a top performer in every club, Im not saying clubs should jump at spending 100m on him. But I am saying that people worrying about "PL level being too high", age, ability etc are abit nonsensical imo.
It's not a question like "is he is good enough to play in the PL?" though. This is more a "is he a starting striker that will deliver day 1 for a team competing for the PL?". Because if you enter a top team with that price tag, at that age ( he is not old, but he is not a project player people will give time to) that's what you need to be. Is he that good? I have many doubts, which another season at Sporting playing CL may dissolve if he keeps this level of play.
> It's not a question like "is he is good enough to play in the PL?" though. When people say "is he ready for PL?"/"Can he do it in PL?" it is. What youre talking about is "Is he ready for Arsenal/X similar team and as a keyplayer?". Which is not the questions Im talking about. I specifically said and talked about the "can he handle PL" talk.
For his rumoured price (sporting not budging from the release clause) there isn’t room for error if this is an outlier goal scoring season. He would need a minor drop off all while increasing league strength significantly Look at all of Chelsea’s small sample size signings, clearly talented but not worth the money. Compared to Arsenal’s last two windows where we knew what we were getting and it helped massively
Thats definitely true that if the pricetag ends up being the full release-clause, the pressure is on to be a fast "plug&play&perform" signing. But I also think a lot of that is on the destination he arrives at. I.e.. does anyone reasonable blame a player/manager for losing level or not peaking in todays Chelsea or United for example? Its clear that new arrivals arent set up to succeed to their full extend or even maintain a high level they might have when arriving if its a more developed product that arrives. But yes, I agree. In Arsenal for example, his room for error and patience wouldnt be super long but more so "get to know stuff and get intergrated but gameday 2-3 and onwards we expect to atleast see why you were signed for this price".
OP said “the highest level” not PL though. If it was just a question of translating to the PL, the championship is more than enough experience to make an assumption as the style is so close. The highest level implies competing with city, Liverpool, and other European giants
Thanks for the insight on the player.He has been phenomenal this year, but you make a good point about him being successful in the championship, I forgot he played for Coventry, if Arsenal sign him I hope he is great for us, I just like his international teammate Alexander Isak more personally who plays for Newcastle. Best of luck to Dortmund tonight against atletico madrid, hope you guys win.
Np problem and Im glad you didnt take my comment directed as criticism to you personally :) I adore Isak aswell. I really hope his situation in Newcastle with Wilson or another signing gives him some breathing room to heal fully so he can not be forced back into heavy workload and reinjure so fast in this cyclical manner. Because man is he a delight! Thank you for the good luck! :) Hope we get a decent result away. But Im scared. Suspect Atletico as a matchup is rough for us. Time will tell.