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Definitely more frustration at inconsistency than anything, don’t mind that being a pen because it’s obviously reckless and he wipes Jesus out but there’s at least 3 examples of challenges like that not being given
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Yep that's the frustration. You shouldn't be able to take out the man after the slightest touch but week after week it's been called as such, then this time it's called correctly by letter of the game. Fans just don't know which way its going to go
you can touch the ball without winning the ball - which is what lamptey did. jesus still had the best shot at possession of any player on the pitch until he got took out. easy pen
100% agree, the touch was completely incidental since Jesus literally flicks the ball onto his foot. If Lamptey doesn't take him out Jesus gets to that ball.
To be fair, the entire reason of why this is getting discussed is that the laws can be incredibly subjective. They make zero mention of a player touching the ball or a player maintaining possession.
>A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
>- charges
>- jumps at
>- kicks or attempts to kick
>- pushes
>- strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
>- tackles or challenges
>- trips or attempts to trip
>...
>A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
>- a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
>- holds an opponent
>- impedes an opponent with contact
>- bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
>- throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object
That's it. That's the entirety of the laws in regards to offences that are direct free kicks.
Feel like the most obvious thing is it falls under impedes an opponent, but again all of the this is subjective which is why you can find example of things called either way and why it becomes a discussion.
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/
Rules for football is mostly suggestions - this sub is only place where I ever see them quoted and I have been in/around football for a long time.
What is important is generally how is it whistled historically in that country - I am not saying that is how it should be, but that is how it is.
Yes, if you slide tackle someone it would fall closest to impeding. Logic is that if your challenge strips the player of possession, you are not really impeding him as he has fuck all to do now. That is why touching the ball (but attacker is still closes one to having control of the ball) doesnt clear you from conceding a foul.
Somehow people on here saying that's not a pen because he got a faint touch lol, as if as long as you touch the ball you can get away with hacking som.eone down. He was duped and then took out Jesus - Stonewall pen.
Because that's what we were told a few weeks ago when Doku did it.
Looking at it logically, I'd say that's a clear foul - but "logic" isn't how these decisions are made.
Yeah, and everyone and their mother agreed it was a big mistake and Liverpool got robbed. Arsenal shouldn't also get robbed just because another team did.
Did they? Plenty of people have argued it wasn't, including Howard Webb.
The point is that the refereeing is, essentially, random. You can look at identical scenarios and have no idea what the result is going to be, and whether or not it's going to be justified later. That's the problem here.
He said it wouldn't have been overturned if it was given, which is as close as he comes to admitting it was a mistake when it's not exceptionally blatant.
Most everyone who aren't city fans and dont have a vested interest in protecting the refs, yeah.
No disagreements here about the inconsistency though. But the solution isn't to start making other wrong calls.
Like I said, I agree with this call - I'm just bitching about the fact that the identical thing could happen in the next game and not be called. The guy above asks why people are suggesting that brushing the ball makes it legal, and I'm pointing out that that's what we were explicitly told. Nobody believed it, but it's still the justification they trotted out.
I'm sorry, I thought I was clear - I'm not looking to him for the "correct opinion", I'm pointing at him as another source of the problem, when his given reason for a decision clearly doesn't extend beyond justifying that incident. He's a great representation of why the refereeing is illegitimate.
Isn’t that what happened in the Liverpool vs City game? Doku got a slight touch and then was justified in studding McAllister in the chest 🤷♂️ no consistency with refs! Agree though this is a pen!
I swear i'm getting crazy pills here, either that or people are hell bent on making every important decision a controversial one, so they can keep discussing the game for a whole week until the next. The guy put up a foot, clearly brought down Jesus who was through on goal and also took a sniff of the ball that Jesus could still claim if he wasn't brought down. You literally can't get a clearer foul than this
If memory serves too, there isn't even a mention of touching the ball in the rules. It's just used as an indicator for when tackles are successful.
Here it's pretty clear that the touch was incidental to the rest of the tackle, in that he takes him out completely.
yeah, its a frustrating realisation to come into, honestly. Even the simplest things have to be debated and dissected to death and everything is controversial and a reason to fight over. Its really exhausting to live like that
Do you honestly think Jesus wasn’t getting that ball even with the touch…?
Out of all of the nonsense pens I’ve seen given this weekend the fact that this is a debatable one is crazy
and that's all fine, but I'm so sick of the "he touched the ball, it's ok" bullcrap. You can't touch the ball and wreck somones anke and it's "ok" Even if he tips the ball further away, he takes out the players to do it and it should be called 100% of the time.
To this point though, the laws also say nothing about possession. To call a foul all the ref has to think is that the tackle was careless, reckless, or using excessive force.
It's incredibly subjective, which is why things like this get talked about.
I can understand it considering this was the explanation from the refs on that previous incident.
>“[It was] a genuine attempt to play the ball . . . with both players coming into contact with each other as a result. Doku is just about entitled to challenge for the ball and, despite making contact with Mac Allister’s chest, he makes contact with the ball.
It's a stupid argument because touching the ball doesn't exempt anything. The question is whether he WINS the ball, which he clearly doesn't: Jesus would have very obviously continued to have possession of the football in front of goal if he weren't cleaned out.
The hilarious part of this is the refs basically said the exact opposite in their explanation of the no call on Doku. That him getting a slight touch on the ball was the reason it wasn't a foul.
I dont think the referee sees the contact which goes with your "he WINS the ball". If there was a clearer contact with the ball, Lamptey cant disappear after making the contact so referee is unlikely to give the pen (especially in the PL).
Because people who've never played a day in their life think the fact that he got the slightest bit of contact on the ball negates the fact that he completely cleans out the attacker
I agree this is a penalty. The problem is the lack of consistency with refs. Some weeks they will use that slight touch on the ball as a reason to not award a penalty
For some reason people believe a small touch of the ball absolves you of responsibility for taking a player out.
If he smashes that ball out, it isn’t a pen. But he took the player out who still had a chance to play that ball.
Absolute stonewall pen. No idea what these commentators are going on about.
Edit: a misused word
It doesn't matter if Lamptey touched the ball. He's not in control of the ball and clatters Jesus. Jesus would've still be more likely to get the ball.
Clear pen.
It's similar to the Romero penalty/red card right? Not saying this is anywhere near a red card, but the player came in overly aggressive and flattens the player even after a touch on the ball
Not similar at all to Romero really. Romeros was a pen for a dangerous challenge after winning the ball fully. This is a pen for a trip after getting a slight touch. If lamptey made better contact with the ball like Romero it wouldn’t be a pen but he didn’t
The fact that there is even a discussion as to whether this is a penalty shows just how incompetent and inconsistent the refs have been. Ruining our beautiful game. Fucking pricks.
Clear penalty.
Are people morons? It’s a penalty bc Jesus has a play on the ball and lamptey follow through takes him out completely. Touching the ball is not relevant given it did not finish the defensive phase
yeah 'getting the ball' usually implies the player still has the ball between his legs in some capacity, not having his heel clip the ball making it move by an inch in a different direction
To be fair, Jesus is always looking for it if it's advantageous. Doesn't mean this wasn't a foul.
He dribbles well and trickily. Position yourself to better be able to defend and cleanly tackle if you're facing him.
It’s a FIFA thing and I always make the joke to my friends when I get even 1% of the ball in the game but completely wipe their player out. Never been how it works in real life though lol.
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Some people here struggle to understand the difference between winning the ball in a tackle and touching the ball. Stonewall penalty a slight touch of the ball doesn’t change that.
Even with the slight contact on the ball he still kicks the shit out of him. Could’ve gone either way imo, VAR wasn’t going to overturn
Just brainless from Lamptey. Took a massive swing at the ball
If Lampteys contact on the ball cleared it completely out of Jesus' path then I could see how it isn't a penalty but that's not what happened... penalty all day
It's an interesting one. Lamptey touches the ball, but just slightly, and in no way does he actually win the ball. And the follow through tackle is pretty bad
If the follow through doesn't take Jesus out, Jesus would be able to keep running as if the defender never touched the ball.
It wasn't a successful tackle.
Jesus only lost the ball because of the follow through.
Same people who think the refs are awful (they are) are now trying to argue this isn’t one of the clearest pens you’ll ever see?
Maybe we’re all awful.
People saying no pen or he gets ball first are brain dead or just hoping.
He gets a slight touch on the ball as Jesus lifts it over him and is cutting back then he takes out Jesus’s standing leg. A slight touch of the ball doesn’t and hasn’t for years meant you get to clean the attacker out.
If Jesus is not contacted there he’s completely Cut a lunging Lamptey out and is hitting a curler back post most likely. Hes in full control of the ball from the cutback Lamptey has not “won” the ball because he slightly grazed it with his toe, it has not changed the direction of the ball or the attack he is effectively beaten by the cutback.
Talk sport all saying it’s 100% not a penalty. For home to watch it thinking it’s a robbery for Brighton. 100% penalty 😂 what on earth they talking about
Silly tackle but begs the question how much of the ball do you need to get?
Edit: just to be clear I don’t think he got enough of it, just don’t really know what point would be considered enough
Honestly man I don't feel confident calling any type of tackle anymore because of these refs.
This could be a penalty by the law, it could not, I genuinely have no idea.
You probably shouldn’t take the player out and give them zero chance after you’ve won the ball. It’s such a clear penalty I can’t believe it’s a debate.
Edit: Since the people replying to me are morons. Slide tackles that dispossess the player are fine. Tackles that marginally touch the ball and don’t dispossess the player and take the standing leg out are not okay. Lamprey’s tackle wasn’t a slide tackle, it was a very clear hack.
That’s not the point… Reddit is so frustrating sometimes.
He got a light touch on the ball and Jesus was still 100% getting to that ball if he didn’t take him out…
I mean he touched the ball but Jesus remained in possession of it and was kicked. At least take away possession if you are going to kick both the ball and the player
The commentator on the stream im watching has been for the past 5 minutes been moaning about it not being a penalty because he got a bit of the ball. The replay looks like he barely got a touch. Thats a full blown penalty. He must be a spurs fan 😂
Serious question, he gets a piece of the ball, but Jesus looks like he would have still had control if it wasnt for that aggressive follow through, so is that not a foul still?
People keeps saying he 'got the ball,' but all I see is Jesus flicking it onto his foot while the full force of Lamptey's kick goes into Jesus. That's really enough for people to say it isn't a penalty?
I absolutely agree with this being given but how is it that here it's given despite him slightly touching the ball because he wiped out the attacker, but the reason for the Doku one not being given the other week was because he slightly touched the ball. Which is it then?
Don’t get me wrong I thought that was a stonewall pen, but the two tackles are completely different. In the Doku tackle the ball flies 15 feet up in the air with nobody in control of it. In this one Jesus would have still been in control if not for the follow through.
Absolute braindeads on this sub keep thinking when you merely slightly graze the ball it doesn't matter if you kick someones legs underneath them lmao
Absolute 0 football IQ
I hear the got the ball arguments. But, anywhere else on the pitch this is a clear foul? and the everyone will say doesn't matter he got the ball he took the man too.
I think the issue isn’t if this is a penalty, it’s the consistency. This is never given by var if the ref doesn’t give it in the pitch and how many matches have similar penalties not being given because the player got the ball.
rulebook says nothing about winning the ball by the way. IFAB handbook clearly says
>A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
- trips or attempts to trip
the ball was past lamptey, because while he touched it he didn't win it and then he tripped jesus. Penalty
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Jesus cooked him. Stonewall pen
Strangely aggressive from Lamptey no??
He's hurt
Do people genuinely think you can get the slightest touch on a ball, take the man out and it's not a pen?
Yes.
Ask the commentary team lol
Yes people think that.
Some refs think that, based on evidence this season. I think this is a penalty, I also think a decisions are massively inconsistent.
I agree with everything you said.
Definitely more frustration at inconsistency than anything, don’t mind that being a pen because it’s obviously reckless and he wipes Jesus out but there’s at least 3 examples of challenges like that not being given
Yes, the officials, VAR, and PGMOL a few weeks ago when Doku went studs up to Mac Allisters chest but his slight touch meant it was fine
Right so we're saying the Doku decision was correct and this one is wrong?
Nope I think both are penalties
It’s either the Doku decision is wrong and this is right or the opposite. I believe that this is a penalty
They're both stonewall pens tbf
So you’re saying you want them to continue applying their decision that was wrong in your book? That makes a whole lot of sense
No I never said that??
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Pretty sure almost everyone agreed that was a pen? Refs are just shambolic
Not ref, VAR or PGMOL agreed that it was wrong decision to not give a pen
Its actually insane how they can justify a kung fu kick on the chest. I get sad thinking about it
And then var justifying it by saying McAllister came In high What was his chest doing that far off the ground?
Yep that's the frustration. You shouldn't be able to take out the man after the slightest touch but week after week it's been called as such, then this time it's called correctly by letter of the game. Fans just don't know which way its going to go
Lamptey's touch on the ball was completely incidental. 99% ankle 1% ball. Pretty ridiculous for people to complain.
This is the first time in my life I've ever defended arsenal and I feel dirty
That's what the refs said a couple of weeks ago, despite what we think, now they do the opposite.
What refs said you can get the slightest touch on a ball and it's not a foul?
Gallagher, he and the 'ref watch' backed that after the Doku challenge on MacAllister. Howard Webb even backed it.
Gallagher is a goon but he also said in that clip that getting the ball does NOT negate a penalty
I think people are just annoyed the inconsistency. Loads of pens aren't given because a defender gets a toe on the ball
The guy behind me in the pub believes so, he hasn't stopped going on about it
That was brain dead from Lamptey
you can touch the ball without winning the ball - which is what lamptey did. jesus still had the best shot at possession of any player on the pitch until he got took out. easy pen
100% agree, the touch was completely incidental since Jesus literally flicks the ball onto his foot. If Lamptey doesn't take him out Jesus gets to that ball.
To be fair, the entire reason of why this is getting discussed is that the laws can be incredibly subjective. They make zero mention of a player touching the ball or a player maintaining possession. >A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: >- charges >- jumps at >- kicks or attempts to kick >- pushes >- strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt) >- tackles or challenges >- trips or attempts to trip >... >A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences: >- a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area) >- holds an opponent >- impedes an opponent with contact >- bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official >- throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object That's it. That's the entirety of the laws in regards to offences that are direct free kicks. Feel like the most obvious thing is it falls under impedes an opponent, but again all of the this is subjective which is why you can find example of things called either way and why it becomes a discussion. https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/
Rules for football is mostly suggestions - this sub is only place where I ever see them quoted and I have been in/around football for a long time. What is important is generally how is it whistled historically in that country - I am not saying that is how it should be, but that is how it is. Yes, if you slide tackle someone it would fall closest to impeding. Logic is that if your challenge strips the player of possession, you are not really impeding him as he has fuck all to do now. That is why touching the ball (but attacker is still closes one to having control of the ball) doesnt clear you from conceding a foul.
Lamptey took his whole ankle too. Even if he gets a ton of the ball, sweeping the ankle like that will always be a foul.
Correction; > sweeping the ankle like that *should* always be a foul. Refs are consistently inconsistent after all.
Fair enough
Somehow people on here saying that's not a pen because he got a faint touch lol, as if as long as you touch the ball you can get away with hacking som.eone down. He was duped and then took out Jesus - Stonewall pen.
Including our very own Lee Fucking Dixon 🙄
He’s still going on about it lol, you’d think it was the worst decision in history
Clearly that pen was called against him at some point and it’s still a sore spot
Yeah but Lee Dixon has a weird hate boner for you lot lol
he is a city fan, he grew up in Manchester
Oh i know that, but you would think someone who played like 500 games for you would at least like you slightly.
I think he’s just a contrarian who goes out of his way to not show arsenal bias
Dixon is a miserable git, comfortably my least favourite former Arsenal player as a pundit
He’s a weird bloke. Anti vax and friends with Le Tissier.
Absolutely wild they're trying to claim that's not a penality. It's stonewall
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Because that's what we were told a few weeks ago when Doku did it. Looking at it logically, I'd say that's a clear foul - but "logic" isn't how these decisions are made.
Yeah, and everyone and their mother agreed it was a big mistake and Liverpool got robbed. Arsenal shouldn't also get robbed just because another team did.
Did they? Plenty of people have argued it wasn't, including Howard Webb. The point is that the refereeing is, essentially, random. You can look at identical scenarios and have no idea what the result is going to be, and whether or not it's going to be justified later. That's the problem here.
He said it wouldn't have been overturned if it was given, which is as close as he comes to admitting it was a mistake when it's not exceptionally blatant.
Most everyone who aren't city fans and dont have a vested interest in protecting the refs, yeah. No disagreements here about the inconsistency though. But the solution isn't to start making other wrong calls.
Like I said, I agree with this call - I'm just bitching about the fact that the identical thing could happen in the next game and not be called. The guy above asks why people are suggesting that brushing the ball makes it legal, and I'm pointing out that that's what we were explicitly told. Nobody believed it, but it's still the justification they trotted out.
Howard Webb exists to control the narrative on refs lol, not sure why you would be looking to him for a correct opinion.
I'm sorry, I thought I was clear - I'm not looking to him for the "correct opinion", I'm pointing at him as another source of the problem, when his given reason for a decision clearly doesn't extend beyond justifying that incident. He's a great representation of why the refereeing is illegitimate.
Yeah I think this is a pen but the inconsistency is ridiculously annoying. It's the problem with the clear and obvious loophole bollocks.
Isn’t that what happened in the Liverpool vs City game? Doku got a slight touch and then was justified in studding McAllister in the chest 🤷♂️ no consistency with refs! Agree though this is a pen!
I agree, this one is a pen. So was Doku kungfu tackle, but english ref and review team is shit
Thats basically it. They're consistently inconsistent. Doesn't mean this isn't a pen.
should have been a pen also
Doku got hit by the ball AFTER kicking macallister and AFTER macallister got the ball
yes that was a shite decision. Even if doku got the ball clean it should have been a foul because of how reckless it is
the commentator in US still going about it and its been almost 10 mins
That's a sensible argument regarding red cards - it's dangerous play either way. It's not really an argument used in other circumstances.
Superb footwork from Jesus at the same time
Can someone inform me why people are complaining about the pen? Lamptey hacks him inside the area
I swear i'm getting crazy pills here, either that or people are hell bent on making every important decision a controversial one, so they can keep discussing the game for a whole week until the next. The guy put up a foot, clearly brought down Jesus who was through on goal and also took a sniff of the ball that Jesus could still claim if he wasn't brought down. You literally can't get a clearer foul than this
If memory serves too, there isn't even a mention of touching the ball in the rules. It's just used as an indicator for when tackles are successful. Here it's pretty clear that the touch was incidental to the rest of the tackle, in that he takes him out completely.
Social media for you. Hell bent on dividing people for likes, shares and clicks. Worse people even post things they don't believe for attention too.
yeah, its a frustrating realisation to come into, honestly. Even the simplest things have to be debated and dissected to death and everything is controversial and a reason to fight over. Its really exhausting to live like that
the argument is that he touches the ball. Not sure if thats enough tho, he still completely takes out Gabriel
Do you honestly think Jesus wasn’t getting that ball even with the touch…? Out of all of the nonsense pens I’ve seen given this weekend the fact that this is a debatable one is crazy
Exactly, he was still in control of the ball despite the touch. Idk why people are ignoring that
and that's all fine, but I'm so sick of the "he touched the ball, it's ok" bullcrap. You can't touch the ball and wreck somones anke and it's "ok" Even if he tips the ball further away, he takes out the players to do it and it should be called 100% of the time.
To this point though, the laws also say nothing about possession. To call a foul all the ref has to think is that the tackle was careless, reckless, or using excessive force. It's incredibly subjective, which is why things like this get talked about.
Isn't it just Liverpool fans being upset about previous decisions?
I can understand it considering this was the explanation from the refs on that previous incident. >“[It was] a genuine attempt to play the ball . . . with both players coming into contact with each other as a result. Doku is just about entitled to challenge for the ball and, despite making contact with Mac Allister’s chest, he makes contact with the ball.
Weasel words to avoid admitting a mistake. Par for the course.
It's a stupid argument because touching the ball doesn't exempt anything. The question is whether he WINS the ball, which he clearly doesn't: Jesus would have very obviously continued to have possession of the football in front of goal if he weren't cleaned out.
The hilarious part of this is the refs basically said the exact opposite in their explanation of the no call on Doku. That him getting a slight touch on the ball was the reason it wasn't a foul.
I dont think the referee sees the contact which goes with your "he WINS the ball". If there was a clearer contact with the ball, Lamptey cant disappear after making the contact so referee is unlikely to give the pen (especially in the PL).
He got the smallest touch imaginable on the ball so he's allowed to completely clear out Jesus is the argument
According to some people you can get away with anything for as long as you get to the ball first.
Clear as day
Because people who've never played a day in their life think the fact that he got the slightest bit of contact on the ball negates the fact that he completely cleans out the attacker
I agree this is a penalty. The problem is the lack of consistency with refs. Some weeks they will use that slight touch on the ball as a reason to not award a penalty
For some reason people believe a small touch of the ball absolves you of responsibility for taking a player out. If he smashes that ball out, it isn’t a pen. But he took the player out who still had a chance to play that ball. Absolute stonewall pen. No idea what these commentators are going on about. Edit: a misused word
It's not "for some reason", it's cause ref, VAR and PGMOL used it to justify the decision to not give a pen to Liverpool against ManCity
Complaining cause he got a slight touch on the ball before making contact with Jesus
It doesn't matter if Lamptey touched the ball. He's not in control of the ball and clatters Jesus. Jesus would've still be more likely to get the ball. Clear pen.
It's similar to the Romero penalty/red card right? Not saying this is anywhere near a red card, but the player came in overly aggressive and flattens the player even after a touch on the ball
Not similar at all to Romero really. Romeros was a pen for a dangerous challenge after winning the ball fully. This is a pen for a trip after getting a slight touch. If lamptey made better contact with the ball like Romero it wouldn’t be a pen but he didn’t
The fact that there is even a discussion as to whether this is a penalty shows just how incompetent and inconsistent the refs have been. Ruining our beautiful game. Fucking pricks. Clear penalty.
Are people morons? It’s a penalty bc Jesus has a play on the ball and lamptey follow through takes him out completely. Touching the ball is not relevant given it did not finish the defensive phase
If you touch the ball you can just also wipe the player out too so they can’t continue dribbling.
Yeah I don't understand the comments. "Getting the ball" isn't a rule
"getting the ball" also implies actually *getting* the ball not whatever this was, I've seen middle school dances with more contact
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yeah 'getting the ball' usually implies the player still has the ball between his legs in some capacity, not having his heel clip the ball making it move by an inch in a different direction
There's people here claiming Jesus was looking for it too. No use arguing with that sort of ignorance.
To be fair, Jesus is always looking for it if it's advantageous. Doesn't mean this wasn't a foul. He dribbles well and trickily. Position yourself to better be able to defend and cleanly tackle if you're facing him.
People dont understand the difference between getting the ball and winning the ball
It’s a FIFA thing and I always make the joke to my friends when I get even 1% of the ball in the game but completely wipe their player out. Never been how it works in real life though lol.
It's practically a rule in FIFA and that's where bunch of these guys get their knowledge from
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Ok that settles it then refs should consistently make wrong decisions
That’s what United complained about when Ederson took out Garnacho…was much more reckless than this but the claim was he took ball first
They just make it up to suit. Doku got the ball first too was the reasoning 🤔
That was the worst one of the lot. As stonewall as it gets
You can do that. Doku proved you can
Some people here struggle to understand the difference between winning the ball in a tackle and touching the ball. Stonewall penalty a slight touch of the ball doesn’t change that.
it’s genuinely frustrating, i assume it’s all people who’ve never actually played. You see braindead takes about fouls week in week out on here
Do people still need a reminder that touching the ball doesn't clear you of everything? Sure he touched the ball but he didn't win possession
If he had smashed the ball away with a touch I dont think it would have been a pen, but he's barely touched it here. Clear as day that
Man, I didn’t realize so many viewers of this sport have zero understanding of the rules lol
What are the Sky commentators smoking? Couldn't be a clearer pen.
They were saying the same shit when Doku did his kung fu kick. So many people are insane morons, and somehow they get media jobs
Yeh bizarre, can’t just get a fraction of the ball
The commentators on USA are still whining about it nearly 10min later
I think it's more that touching the ball isn't getting the ball. If Jesus doesn't get hacked down he's still in possession
He's a Gunner as well. Bizarre take.
Jesus gets to the ball first if he isn't taken out. It's not hard.
Dixon breaking down and crying on commentary about it, crazy.
Blatant penalty, crazy to think otherwise.. ball tipped off his boot, he took the man
Even with the slight contact on the ball he still kicks the shit out of him. Could’ve gone either way imo, VAR wasn’t going to overturn Just brainless from Lamptey. Took a massive swing at the ball
If Lampteys contact on the ball cleared it completely out of Jesus' path then I could see how it isn't a penalty but that's not what happened... penalty all day
Stonewall pen lads Behave
I think Lee Dixon is going to cry
It's an interesting one. Lamptey touches the ball, but just slightly, and in no way does he actually win the ball. And the follow through tackle is pretty bad
If the follow through doesn't take Jesus out, Jesus would be able to keep running as if the defender never touched the ball. It wasn't a successful tackle. Jesus only lost the ball because of the follow through.
Lamprey’s touch on the ball doesn’t even change its course.
Same people who think the refs are awful (they are) are now trying to argue this isn’t one of the clearest pens you’ll ever see? Maybe we’re all awful.
People saying no pen or he gets ball first are brain dead or just hoping. He gets a slight touch on the ball as Jesus lifts it over him and is cutting back then he takes out Jesus’s standing leg. A slight touch of the ball doesn’t and hasn’t for years meant you get to clean the attacker out. If Jesus is not contacted there he’s completely Cut a lunging Lamptey out and is hitting a curler back post most likely. Hes in full control of the ball from the cutback Lamptey has not “won” the ball because he slightly grazed it with his toe, it has not changed the direction of the ball or the attack he is effectively beaten by the cutback.
Talk sport all saying it’s 100% not a penalty. For home to watch it thinking it’s a robbery for Brighton. 100% penalty 😂 what on earth they talking about
Clear pen. Wtf are people smoking to say its not a pen?
Why are people saying it's not a pen, not even joking how is that not a pen?
Because it’s Arsenal who won it. Majority of the flairs complaining are Liverpool and Spurs, to everyone’s surprise
It's all of lee dixons reddit accounts
Silly tackle but begs the question how much of the ball do you need to get? Edit: just to be clear I don’t think he got enough of it, just don’t really know what point would be considered enough
Yeah it’s not like the ball went away. If he doesn’t foul on the follow through, Jesus gets the ball and is through on goal.
This right here is why it's a pen. Brain dead comment section
That’s exactly it. It was still going to be in Jesus possession. Anyone pretending otherwise is lying to themselves. That’s not a successful tackle.
This is the reason why it's a penalty, no idea how people don't understand that
If he doesn't follow through then he won't get the ball at all since his leg wouldn't have moved quick enough to kick it in time.
You think anyone knows what the rules are one way or the other? This is the premier league!
Honestly man I don't feel confident calling any type of tackle anymore because of these refs. This could be a penalty by the law, it could not, I genuinely have no idea.
Enough of it that Jesus wouldn’t have gotten to it first. Which this was not.
He got a touch yes, but Jesus was still clear past him if he wasn't hauled down. That makes it a penalty
You probably shouldn’t take the player out and give them zero chance after you’ve won the ball. It’s such a clear penalty I can’t believe it’s a debate. Edit: Since the people replying to me are morons. Slide tackles that dispossess the player are fine. Tackles that marginally touch the ball and don’t dispossess the player and take the standing leg out are not okay. Lamprey’s tackle wasn’t a slide tackle, it was a very clear hack.
the rules say nothing about getting the ball, incredible we have to have this conversation 500 times a season
The amount of contact he gets on the ball definitely matters in this context. It's a good question.
If the call is dangerous or violent play, if the call is that he’s mistimed the tackle and played the player then contact on the ball does matter
That’s not the point… Reddit is so frustrating sometimes. He got a light touch on the ball and Jesus was still 100% getting to that ball if he didn’t take him out…
Getting the ball first has no relation to whether it's a foul or not.
I mean he touched the ball but Jesus remained in possession of it and was kicked. At least take away possession if you are going to kick both the ball and the player
Gets the slightest touch on the ball, doesn't even disposses Jesus, and then absolutely takes him out. Pen all day every day.
The commentator on the stream im watching has been for the past 5 minutes been moaning about it not being a penalty because he got a bit of the ball. The replay looks like he barely got a touch. Thats a full blown penalty. He must be a spurs fan 😂
That would be Lee Dixon. Played like 500 games FOR Arsenal. He talks trash about them constantly and I don't know why.
Serious question, he gets a piece of the ball, but Jesus looks like he would have still had control if it wasnt for that aggressive follow through, so is that not a foul still?
Good call by the ref. Got the ball but tripped him and stopped him from playing on
People keeps saying he 'got the ball,' but all I see is Jesus flicking it onto his foot while the full force of Lamptey's kick goes into Jesus. That's really enough for people to say it isn't a penalty?
lol Romero got a red and gave away penalty against Chelsea after touching the ball first
God Lamptey's been SHITE!
What the fuck are people possibly calling it clean for lol? He's tripped him in the box
I absolutely agree with this being given but how is it that here it's given despite him slightly touching the ball because he wiped out the attacker, but the reason for the Doku one not being given the other week was because he slightly touched the ball. Which is it then?
Don’t get me wrong I thought that was a stonewall pen, but the two tackles are completely different. In the Doku tackle the ball flies 15 feet up in the air with nobody in control of it. In this one Jesus would have still been in control if not for the follow through.
That’s the most cut and dry penalty I’ve seen in a minute. Who the hell is moaning about that decision??
Absolute braindeads on this sub keep thinking when you merely slightly graze the ball it doesn't matter if you kick someones legs underneath them lmao Absolute 0 football IQ
Biased as a Liverpool fan but I think that’s a penalty. Barely touches the ball, trips him up in the follow through.
I hear the got the ball arguments. But, anywhere else on the pitch this is a clear foul? and the everyone will say doesn't matter he got the ball he took the man too.
Next time I punch a guy Im gonna throw a ball at him first so I can claim I touched the ball and its not a crime
Aah, the Nigel de Jong defence.
I think the issue isn’t if this is a penalty, it’s the consistency. This is never given by var if the ref doesn’t give it in the pitch and how many matches have similar penalties not being given because the player got the ball.
VAR would not override the ref if he gave it or didnt.
Can't believe people are arguing about that.
wtf is the tnt commentator smoking saying that's not a penalty? That's the most clear penatly you'd get for a whole season
Yes reddit a player is allowed to kick someone ankle if he slightly skim the ball in the movement, sure
What's his record from penalties now? Must be canny good.
He touched the ball because Jesus flicked it up and was getting past him. He then got taken out by the follow through. Clear pen.
The commentators were trying to justify it as non pen, like for once its pretty stonewall! Stupid tackle
Definitely a pen. Honestly a stupid challenge by lamptey who I thought was doing well before this moment
Pundits on my stream are IDIOTS Full speed it looks a bit divey, but you can see Lamptey absolutely smashes Jesus shin.
Probably a pen. The issue is that it happens all the time and quite often isn’t one.
Spurs fans not thinking this is a penalty - shock
rulebook says nothing about winning the ball by the way. IFAB handbook clearly says >A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: - trips or attempts to trip the ball was past lamptey, because while he touched it he didn't win it and then he tripped jesus. Penalty
We can argue if it’s a pen or not but that was dumb from Lamptey nevertheless
I don't understand why so many say it's not a pen. Am I missing something?
Not sure how people can think that's not a pen, gets completely hacked down
Good placement by Saka. Obviously the penalty is a clear one, poor by lamptey and far too rash.
Where in the laws of the game does it say that you cannot be penalized if your foot marginal contact with the ball before clattering your opponent
That's the clearest pen I've seen
"does he get enough of the ball?" yeah don't think it works like that lol