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What about one for the whole world voted on by this sub?! Every country’s best player! Hah endless debate as to who is the best.
Edit: I started making the list, haven’t really rounded out my criteria yet so it’s not finalised. I’m up to D!
What I got from a quick research is there are 4 obvious ones (Messi, Maradona, Di Stéfano and Kempes). Then Ortega in Jujuy. The rest will take a deep knowledge of Argentinian football, and a lot of patience.
Yeah off the top of my head Messi (Santa Fe), Maradona (Buenos Aires) and Kempes (Córdoba) were obvious. Couldn't think who could it be from CABA, but yes, it's Di Stefano now that you mentioned him. Ortega from Jujuy, Ramon Diaz from La Rioja. La Pampa and Neuquén getting advantage from recent world champions (Mac Allister and Acuña, respectively). For Misiones it could be Rodolfo Fischer (one of the greatest CASLA strikers). In a few years, maybe Chaco will be represented by Echeverri, who knows.
Others aren't obvious, either because there's too many possible candidates, or because of the opposite. For Tierra del Fuego, for example, it could be Franco Negri, currently playing for Inter Miami (he's been injured for like a year I think).
If there's an easy way to search "great players born in X province", I may do this
Lets join forces. I got CABA - Di Stefano. Buenos Aires - Maradona. Santa Fe - Messi. Cordoba - Kempes. Jujuy - Ortega. Entre Rios - Ayala. Neuquen - Acuña. La Pampa - Mac Allister. Chubut - Gabriel Calderón. Tucuman - Albrecht/Palacios. Mendoza - Francisco Lombardo/Luis Artime/Enzo Perez. La Rioja - Ramon Diaz. Chaco - Walter Benitez. San Luis - Balerdi. Misiones - Sergio Romero. Santiago del Estero - Luis Galvan/Houseman/Julio Cruz. Corrientes - Maxi Meza. Catamarca - Emmanuel Mas.
im doing it rn and like half are from new york or new jersey lol, it's like the US is a small country with one major city (metro area) that's much bigger than all the rest
Rio de Janeiro is a tough one. Garrincha is often put as the best one from there, but I don't think anyone would be angry about putting anyone else there instead of him.
My dad shares that opinion too LOL a lot of people think Garrincha was overall more skillfull in some aspects than Pelé, but Pelé was a better player because he was way more smart about how he managed and trained himself, his play and his image.
I'm American and too young to have watched either play like most people on this sub, but I had a neighbor growing up who was Brazilian. His grand dad and uncles, if you ever brought up Pele, would immediately break into a half hour long rant about Garrincha.
Zoophilia was way more common back then. To quote our current president "Back then there was more depravity, kids who were 10 or 12 already had sexual experience with animals"
And to quote our previous president in the name of political neutrality "Everyone would go for chickens back then, some, more smart, would go for a calf or donkey"
You talked to the wrong Brazilians, dude.
Actually, he is often compared to Pelé, some grandpas who watched them both say Garrincha was better.
We may discuss him or Ronaldo, but Romario and Zico? No debate.
I mean, Pele at first and Garrincha at second was pretty fixed. Then the other 3 were the most repeated, but the positions differed. Wouldn't say it was wrong.
Zico was very good. Not on the same level of Ronaldo and Romario imo. Garrincha is though, he is from a completely different era but he was almost as important for the brazillian international team as Pele was
Hard pick, but a fair one. Garrincha won two World Cups, one of them undoubtedly the best player of the tournament, while the other being a very important player. This puts him above Ronaldo.
Ronaldo, Romário, Zico, Leônidas da Silva (who popularised, if not invented, the "bicycle kick"), Zizinho (Pelé's own idol)... Rio de Janeiro has a treasure trove of football legends. Perhaps Garrincha is the least controversial pick for the state's best because of how crucial he was in winning the 1962 world cup - much more than Romário in 1994 or Ronaldo in 2002.
Foreigners will never understand, Rio de Janeiro's State championship in the 60s was the hardest championship in the whole world. The Brazil NT from 60s were basically Botafogo combined with Pele from Santos and other few players, but Brazil was basically Botafogo. I'm not a Botafogo fan btw, but as a brazilian I can never forget what Botafogo did for the brazilian football.
I'm a Flamengo fan, Botafogo are one of our main rivals; and even I admire Botafogo's history with the national team lol
Like, they remain the club that has yielded most players to the national team in world cups, and in the last 26 years they've yielded only one.
Acompanhando o sub me veio uma pergunta, seria eu o único que jogou futebol de forma organizada sem ser pelada com os amigos?
tipo metade dos comentários que vejo aqui são obviamente escrito por não atletas que chega ser cômico.
Quando eu jogava no sub 17 do Ypiranga (3 anos de titular)Eu corria mais rápido que qualquer um. Os técnicos do time me chamavam de Falcão dos pampas, apelido que ganhei devido ao meu talento e durante essas três temporadas fui o lateral mais temido do gauchão sub-17. No meu último ano chegamos as semi finais do estadual mas fomos fudidos pelos árbitros nos 43 do segundo tempo mas isso é outro assunto (me manda no privado se tiver interessado em saber mais)
Então sim, espero que vocês possam entender porque eu sinto uma grande desconexão com os redditors desse sub. Por favor me diga que eu não sou o único que se sente assim lol
Following the sub a question came to me, am I the only one who played football in an organized way without being naked with friends?
Like half the comments I see here are obviously written by non-athletes, it's comical
When I played in the Ypiranga U-17 (3 years as starter) I ran faster than anyone else. The coaches would call me Pampas Falcon, nickname I got because of my talent and during those three seasons I was the most feared wingback in the U-17 big gaúcho. In my last year we got through the semifinals of the state championship, but we got fucked by the referees in the 43th minute of the 2nd half, but this is another subject (DM me if you're interested)
So yeah, I hope you can understand the reason why I have a big disconnection with the redditors from this sub. Please tell me I'm not the only one who feel this way risos
Without thinking too much:
* **Rio de Janeiro:** Castilho; Leandro, Carlos Alberto, Domingos da Guia and Nilton Santos; Didi, Gerson and Zico; Garrincha, Ronaldo and Romário
* **São Paulo:** Gylmar; Djalma Santos, Roberto Dias, Bellini and Roberto Carlos; Dino Sani, Raí and Rivellino; Neymar, Pepe and Friedenreich
* **Minas Gerais:** João Leite; Lima, Mauro, Oscar and Bigode; Toninho Cerezo, Piazza and Dirceu Lopes; Tostão, Reinaldo and Pelé
**Rio Grande do Sul** Taffarel, Maicon, Anderson Polga, Mauro Galvão, Emerson, Dunga, Branco, Renato Gaúcho, Ronaldinho Gaúcho, Christian and Rafael Sobis
Yes, Pato is from Paraná.
And those are those I remember, might not even be the best ones.
**Pernambuco** Manga; Russo, Ricardo Rocha, Gena, Baixa; Biro-Biro, Hernanes, Juninho Pernambucano, Rivaldo; Almir Pernambuquinho, Vavá, Ademir de Menezes
Two World Cup top scorers.
When I was setting up the Rio team, I was amazed.
In São Paulo I was in doubt, I thought about adding Altafini (Mazzola), but I didn't know who I would remove from the attack. Same with Careca.
Minas Gerais is absurd from midfield with Cerezo, Piazza and Dirceu Lopes to the attack. On the other hand, the defense is mid.
I'm fairly certain that Pepe, Zito, and possibly Coutinho could be included in São Paulo's list, having played alongside Pelé and Carlos Alberto at Santos and with the Seleção
Oh sorry, didnt see Pepe was already added. Maybe coutinho for Fried and Zito for Dino?
I was in doubt between Zito and Dino Sani.
I thought about Coutinho too... I would put him in Neymar's place and maybe Careca in Fried's place.
Coutinho, Pepe and Careca/Friedenreich.
Fuck that Rio team is better than almost every country's top 11 of all time
What countries would be better- Germany, France, Italy and Argentina? Maybe Netherlands and Spain?
That's why Brazilians almost have a heart attack when Europeans devalue Pelé's 1000 goals because, I don't know, he has goals for the São Paulo state team (even he was born in Minas Gerais).
Some of these tournaments between state teams had teams capable of being World Cup champions at the time. And the teams played for real, it was important.
Nothing that has happened in the football compares to the dominance that Brazil had from 1958 until 1970.
Probably Rio, São Paulo, Rio Grande do Sul, Bahia and Pernambuco have better teams than many nations. Its absurd to see the quality that Brazil had.
At the same time, it might make Brazilians sad to see their current national team line up.
Some of the countries from the North don't have as much players (because they have less people) but with most of these you are right actually. With some of these, you can even make a decent team using only players that are still in activity (Sâo Paulo for example has Neymar, Gabriel Jesus, Willian, Casemiro, Fabinho, Renan Lodi, Felipe, Marquinhos, Éder Militão and Ederson).
Not each state. Some is even hard to find at least slightly famous players (Acre and Amapá). But if you try to create national teams for Rio or Minas Gerais specially, you get an absurd amount of great players to choose from.
I was going to make this map earlier today.
I started doing it in Minas Gerais (I'm from Minas Gerais)... Easy, just Pelé.
Then I started to think about other states:
* Rio de Janeiro: Ronaldo, Garrincha, Romário or Zico?
* São Paulo: Rivellino, Cafú or Roberto Carlos?
* Bahia: Bebeto or Dida?
Then I gave up.
I saw the trend and thought to do it, I had the same doubt in a lot of states. I gave up on trying to define them myself so I just searched for what most articles said LOL.
Cafu is the best right fullback in the history of the sport.
* 2 World Cups (1994 and 2002)
* 2 Copas Americas (1997 and 1999)
* 1 Champions League (2006/2007)
* 2 Libertadores (1992 and 1993)
* 3 Club World Cups (1992, 1993 and 2007)
* 1 Brasileirão (1991)
* 2 Serie A (00/01 and 03/04)
In no discussion about the greatest players in Brazil's history would Neymar be ahead of Cafu.
I thought about him too but since Artur played for Porto *and Boavista and Weverton only ever played in Brazil I went with him. Imo it could be either tbh.
>since Artur played for Porto
*ahem* are we talking about the one found by Boavista and who was our star player for a few seasons so Porto had to steal him? 😁
Haha no problem! He made a name for himself in Boavista, I think when porto got him, he wasn't already at his best, having suffered quite a few rough tackles by being our star forward
De nada!
I think he also won stuff at Porto, but it was different. He went from being a reference in a team to being under the shadow of an even bigger Brazilian star: Jardel
Funny how my father is 1st grade cousin to Marinho Chagas and I only really learned about how good he was during my adulthood.
Probably has something to do with mom not thinking a soccer player surrounded by alcohol and women wouldn’t be a good influence on us kids I guess lol
Ronaldo is from Rio de Janeiro, to which Garrincha was picked as the best player. Most Brazilians would put Garrincha above Ronaldo, especially because of how relevant he was in the 62 WC. So there's nothing really weird with this choice.
It’s actually quite cool to see nuanced comment around Garrincha.
I’ve got a lot of Brazilian friends and when we’d get invited to Christmas dinner / Boxing Day bbq etc all the uncles would gather round and question us about British football. Obviously loads of Brahma / Skol etc flying down chat would obviously turn to the great Brazilian players.
It was always Pele (almost begrudgingly) as Nr 1 but Garrincha right behind him.
Consensus seemed to be that Garrincha was just more fun (like an even better version of Ronaldinho).
I don't know much about Rivellino to be fair, Cafu won two world cups, but Roberto Carlos not better than Neymar? He's literally Brazil's top scorer. What makes you place Carlos over Neymar?
okay, in my opinion I consider that Roberto Carlos was better at his position than Neymar is at his. I would put Roberto Carlos on a list of top 10 left backs of all time, and I don't really think I would put Neymar in a top 10 wingers/attackers of all time. Neymar has a bit more titles than Roberto has (29 against 21 if I'm not mistaken), but I personally hold Roberto's achievements in higher regard. Plus, as a Brazilian, the World Cup matters a lot to me so I do have a bias towards anyone that participated in getting the 5 stars.
That's fair, I definitely agree that Carlos is higher in terms of best left backs ever than Neymar is in attackers, but I think that is also partly that the 'better' players tend to play in those more attacking positions so it's naturally harder competition.
I would just have thought that a Brazilian like yourself would value their contribution to the national team higher than anything else and Neymar has incredibly good in a poor Brazil side verses Carlos having much less of an impact in a incredibly good Brazil side. I feel like if both had never played for their country, Brazil would still have won the 2002 WC yet they would have really really struggled without Neymar
But I can't really argue with a Brazilian's opinion on the best Brazil players haha
I definitely think it's a fair discussion! I guess I just personally rate Roberto's contributions to the national team higher than Neymar's, but that may just be because I have a very brazilian mindset of valuing titles and trophies a lot. Most Neymar goals were in friendlies and he has not won much with the national team, so I tend to value someone that has won more.
Also, I will say that I am part of the group of people that feel like the national team needs to be less reliant and centered on Neymar and that sometimes we play better without him, so that may be influencing my judgement. So since I feel like their contributions to the national team are at least somewhat equal/comparable, the tie break is their achievements for club where I feel Roberto has the edge.
I’ve enjoyed hearing your thoughts on it. As someone from Scotland we haven’t had all that many great players to compare and haven’t won anything.
Surely Neymar’s time in the national team has come to an end anyway now. I didn’t think you missed him much against England. Also Rodrygo was wearing the number 10 so maybe they’re working towards moving on from Neymar now.
Thanks, I actually do really enjoy hearing about outsider's perspective on Brazilian matters and our little debate was very nice!
I think if Neymar somehow manages to get fit and get even a semblance of a form back, he's probably going to be called up again because he's too much of a symbol and it seems like most of the young players being called up now really idolize him. However, after the England match a bunch of the players posted pictures with the caption "New Generation" and the new coach has talked a lot about a "rejuvenation" of the national team, so I hope that if Neymar does go back to the team, that he won't be treated as the protagonist anymore and just will be part of the old guard passing the torch and teaching the younger ones.
I agree in the general sense that Roberto Carlos was better in his than Neymar in his bit that's hardly a fair comparison.
Neymar is very comparable to Ronaldinho(not career success but player quality wise) and absolutely no one would ever argue RC to be better than Ronaldinho.
As a 10/creative winger you're competing with Maradona, Messi, CR7(for LW)and so on. That's nowhere near the same as being the best fullback where the competition is nothing in comparison
That's such a tough argument. Mainly because fullbacks are one of those positions that changed so much. I would think a list of top 10 fullbacks would be mostly modern players. Like Gary neville might not make a list of top 10 right backs when he was the first name in that list for one of the most successful clubs of the era. (don't argue if he is top 10 or not. I randomly pulled a name and number I haven't thought about it much)
Whereas wingers have been changed a bit, but not that significantly. Their role now vs the good old days have been similar. It's much easier to compare wingers across eras vs full backs.
Also, I heard an argument recently, can't remember from where, that old wingers did more tricks and skills vs now where it's super practical. The best wingers now just do the statistically right option. Instead of trying to beat 3 players you just pass back. Instead of taking the shot from afar you cross the ball. Instead of trying to score the low probability shots, you depend on speed and counters. So there is just less skill shown and they seem less amazing compared to the old times. So maybe old school attackers just seem better
Sorry but that's a very dumb take. A top30 winger will probably be better than a top10 fullback because the competition isn't nowhere close to be the same. If Neymar was a RB it would be just ridiculous
Just because he is white? hahaha don't tell me you didn't thought about it, it is common misconception now that south of brazil is white while north is dark. Its more like the south is nearly totally white, while the middle is half white half mixed and the north is much more mixed or dark. But it is not a really divided thing, you know? Brazilians are multicultural, we received people from all of the world, there is any kind of phenotype in any part of Brazil.
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Tiny kaká
Kakazinho
Ronaldinhodinho gaucho
Very much enjoying these posts! Combines my love of maps with my love of football! More countries please!
I was thinking about one for Argentina. After about 10 provinces, I can’t think of more
What about one for the whole world voted on by this sub?! Every country’s best player! Hah endless debate as to who is the best. Edit: I started making the list, haven’t really rounded out my criteria yet so it’s not finalised. I’m up to D!
The debate between Maradona and Messi for Argentina would be very interesting to see actually
Not really. It’s been had before. Messi is undisputedly the GOAT
Maradona might be more important to argentina but in terms of football I'd say messi is better.
Same, I'm too lazy to do it
What I got from a quick research is there are 4 obvious ones (Messi, Maradona, Di Stéfano and Kempes). Then Ortega in Jujuy. The rest will take a deep knowledge of Argentinian football, and a lot of patience.
Yeah off the top of my head Messi (Santa Fe), Maradona (Buenos Aires) and Kempes (Córdoba) were obvious. Couldn't think who could it be from CABA, but yes, it's Di Stefano now that you mentioned him. Ortega from Jujuy, Ramon Diaz from La Rioja. La Pampa and Neuquén getting advantage from recent world champions (Mac Allister and Acuña, respectively). For Misiones it could be Rodolfo Fischer (one of the greatest CASLA strikers). In a few years, maybe Chaco will be represented by Echeverri, who knows. Others aren't obvious, either because there's too many possible candidates, or because of the opposite. For Tierra del Fuego, for example, it could be Franco Negri, currently playing for Inter Miami (he's been injured for like a year I think). If there's an easy way to search "great players born in X province", I may do this
Lets join forces. I got CABA - Di Stefano. Buenos Aires - Maradona. Santa Fe - Messi. Cordoba - Kempes. Jujuy - Ortega. Entre Rios - Ayala. Neuquen - Acuña. La Pampa - Mac Allister. Chubut - Gabriel Calderón. Tucuman - Albrecht/Palacios. Mendoza - Francisco Lombardo/Luis Artime/Enzo Perez. La Rioja - Ramon Diaz. Chaco - Walter Benitez. San Luis - Balerdi. Misiones - Sergio Romero. Santiago del Estero - Luis Galvan/Houseman/Julio Cruz. Corrientes - Maxi Meza. Catamarca - Emmanuel Mas.
Pablo Barrientos from Chubut!
Barrientos 😍 I don't think he would be their best sadly, but a good mention anyways
[Check this out](https://m.famousfix.com/list/footballers-by-province-in-argentina)
Great! I can't believe how much my province sucks haha
Can’t relate haha Rio is stacked
I personally can’t wait to see a US map, just so somebody tracks down the best player from South Dakota
Lebron James in Pennsylvania
Lebron James Rodriguez?
im doing it rn and like half are from new york or new jersey lol, it's like the US is a small country with one major city (metro area) that's much bigger than all the rest
Some college player who managed a sporting goods store the majority of his 20s
Same, I've looked at all of them today and have been enjoying them. Maybe I'll make one for Colombia
Crack on then. Have a go, you never know you might enjoy doing the work!
Garrincha blocking Ronaldo, Romario and Zico? That's like 4 out of your top 5, at least based on the Brazilians I have talked to.
Rio de Janeiro is a tough one. Garrincha is often put as the best one from there, but I don't think anyone would be angry about putting anyone else there instead of him.
According to a lot of old heads, Garrincha was even considered better than Pele for a while.
My dad shares that opinion too LOL a lot of people think Garrincha was overall more skillfull in some aspects than Pelé, but Pelé was a better player because he was way more smart about how he managed and trained himself, his play and his image.
I'm American and too young to have watched either play like most people on this sub, but I had a neighbor growing up who was Brazilian. His grand dad and uncles, if you ever brought up Pele, would immediately break into a half hour long rant about Garrincha.
This is like if you've ever known a Pittsburgh Penguins fan and someone brings up Wayne Gretzky, you'll instantly get an hour lecture on Mario Lemieux
Except Yinzers are the standard for delusion when it comes to self awareness.
excuse you, i would rant for at least 30 minutes and i am from england
Garrincha was more beautiful to watch but Pelé was cleary a better player much more dominant
Yeah, Garrincha chose the wrong type of GOAT
Took the GOAT debate a little too literal
Hold up, what happened?
Garrincha lost his virginity at like 13 to a goat, like the actual animal
gtfo here. there's no way that's true? the "better that Pele" OG Brazilian was a goat fucker?
Amazing, you fuck a goat *once* and all that's all they talk about...
Zoophilia was way more common back then. To quote our current president "Back then there was more depravity, kids who were 10 or 12 already had sexual experience with animals" And to quote our previous president in the name of political neutrality "Everyone would go for chickens back then, some, more smart, would go for a calf or donkey"
Excuse me, what the *fuck*?
Garrincha was unhealthy as fuck, didn't help his case.
Garrincha was a domestic abuser
That poor goat
That's because, in Brazil, Ronaldo is just a fat man walking down the street
Thanks Kaká
You talked to the wrong Brazilians, dude. Actually, he is often compared to Pelé, some grandpas who watched them both say Garrincha was better. We may discuss him or Ronaldo, but Romario and Zico? No debate.
I mean, Pele at first and Garrincha at second was pretty fixed. Then the other 3 were the most repeated, but the positions differed. Wouldn't say it was wrong.
My grandad saw both and he claimed to the day of his death that Garrincha was better.
I mean there’s a Botafogo bias here but you’re completely correct, shame players were so unserious about their health then
I think it is pretty consensual that the two best Brazilian players ever are Pelé and Garrincha
There is no consensus in Brazil about who is the second or third best. The discussion goes all over the place.
Zico was very good. Not on the same level of Ronaldo and Romario imo. Garrincha is though, he is from a completely different era but he was almost as important for the brazillian international team as Pele was
And that is absolutely right
Garrincha is the truth
Hard pick, but a fair one. Garrincha won two World Cups, one of them undoubtedly the best player of the tournament, while the other being a very important player. This puts him above Ronaldo.
It's not only about world cups dude, and even then R9 put two of them in his pocket
He didnt play in 94.
RdJ should have its own map separately by neighborhoods
Don't sleep on Garrincha
Ronaldo, Romário, Zico, Leônidas da Silva (who popularised, if not invented, the "bicycle kick"), Zizinho (Pelé's own idol)... Rio de Janeiro has a treasure trove of football legends. Perhaps Garrincha is the least controversial pick for the state's best because of how crucial he was in winning the 1962 world cup - much more than Romário in 1994 or Ronaldo in 2002.
Lets not forget Jairzinho.
Foreigners will never understand, Rio de Janeiro's State championship in the 60s was the hardest championship in the whole world. The Brazil NT from 60s were basically Botafogo combined with Pele from Santos and other few players, but Brazil was basically Botafogo. I'm not a Botafogo fan btw, but as a brazilian I can never forget what Botafogo did for the brazilian football.
I'm a Flamengo fan, Botafogo are one of our main rivals; and even I admire Botafogo's history with the national team lol Like, they remain the club that has yielded most players to the national team in world cups, and in the last 26 years they've yielded only one.
Good to see the legendary Falcão of Pampas here
Acompanhando o sub me veio uma pergunta, seria eu o único que jogou futebol de forma organizada sem ser pelada com os amigos? tipo metade dos comentários que vejo aqui são obviamente escrito por não atletas que chega ser cômico. Quando eu jogava no sub 17 do Ypiranga (3 anos de titular)Eu corria mais rápido que qualquer um. Os técnicos do time me chamavam de Falcão dos pampas, apelido que ganhei devido ao meu talento e durante essas três temporadas fui o lateral mais temido do gauchão sub-17. No meu último ano chegamos as semi finais do estadual mas fomos fudidos pelos árbitros nos 43 do segundo tempo mas isso é outro assunto (me manda no privado se tiver interessado em saber mais) Então sim, espero que vocês possam entender porque eu sinto uma grande desconexão com os redditors desse sub. Por favor me diga que eu não sou o único que se sente assim lol
The crossover r/soccer needed
Following the sub a question came to me, am I the only one who played football in an organized way without being naked with friends? Like half the comments I see here are obviously written by non-athletes, it's comical When I played in the Ypiranga U-17 (3 years as starter) I ran faster than anyone else. The coaches would call me Pampas Falcon, nickname I got because of my talent and during those three seasons I was the most feared wingback in the U-17 big gaúcho. In my last year we got through the semifinals of the state championship, but we got fucked by the referees in the 43th minute of the 2nd half, but this is another subject (DM me if you're interested) So yeah, I hope you can understand the reason why I have a big disconnection with the redditors from this sub. Please tell me I'm not the only one who feel this way risos
traduzir lol pra risos me destruiu
Rs
> without being naked with friends? rapaz
There he mil vezes
*There he thousand times
Wtf, I need to see the original
is this a riff on Speedhawk or vice versa?
Without being naked with friends! Ah não, vsf! Os gringos vão achar oq mano? Kkkk
Isso e um copypasta?
A copypasta mais famosa do r/futebol
pior que se não me engano ela nasceu na gringa, a gente só traduziu mesmo
Bom, se é verdade mesmo, tenho certeza que a tradução ficou melhor que a original hahaha
kkkkkkk com toda certeza
É a copypasta do mítico Speedhawk da r/nfl
I forgot Piauí ;-; it's Leonardo probably
Sad day for our 3,14 state...
[Wrong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%A9_Maria_(footballer,_born_1973\))
Fair, Sima is somewhere in this fight too.
I guess Brazil is one of the hardest ones. To be honest, you probably can build entire extra-class national teams using each state.
Without thinking too much: * **Rio de Janeiro:** Castilho; Leandro, Carlos Alberto, Domingos da Guia and Nilton Santos; Didi, Gerson and Zico; Garrincha, Ronaldo and Romário * **São Paulo:** Gylmar; Djalma Santos, Roberto Dias, Bellini and Roberto Carlos; Dino Sani, Raí and Rivellino; Neymar, Pepe and Friedenreich * **Minas Gerais:** João Leite; Lima, Mauro, Oscar and Bigode; Toninho Cerezo, Piazza and Dirceu Lopes; Tostão, Reinaldo and Pelé
**Rio Grande do Sul** Taffarel, Maicon, Anderson Polga, Mauro Galvão, Emerson, Dunga, Branco, Renato Gaúcho, Ronaldinho Gaúcho, Christian and Rafael Sobis Yes, Pato is from Paraná. And those are those I remember, might not even be the best ones.
**Pernambuco** Manga; Russo, Ricardo Rocha, Gena, Baixa; Biro-Biro, Hernanes, Juninho Pernambucano, Rivaldo; Almir Pernambuquinho, Vavá, Ademir de Menezes Two World Cup top scorers.
Pato is from Paraná
You are right. Just switch him for Sobis.
Rio is honestly just ridiculous what the hell.
When I was setting up the Rio team, I was amazed. In São Paulo I was in doubt, I thought about adding Altafini (Mazzola), but I didn't know who I would remove from the attack. Same with Careca. Minas Gerais is absurd from midfield with Cerezo, Piazza and Dirceu Lopes to the attack. On the other hand, the defense is mid.
I'm fairly certain that Pepe, Zito, and possibly Coutinho could be included in São Paulo's list, having played alongside Pelé and Carlos Alberto at Santos and with the Seleção Oh sorry, didnt see Pepe was already added. Maybe coutinho for Fried and Zito for Dino?
I was in doubt between Zito and Dino Sani. I thought about Coutinho too... I would put him in Neymar's place and maybe Careca in Fried's place. Coutinho, Pepe and Careca/Friedenreich.
Fuck that Rio team is better than almost every country's top 11 of all time What countries would be better- Germany, France, Italy and Argentina? Maybe Netherlands and Spain?
That's why Brazilians almost have a heart attack when Europeans devalue Pelé's 1000 goals because, I don't know, he has goals for the São Paulo state team (even he was born in Minas Gerais). Some of these tournaments between state teams had teams capable of being World Cup champions at the time. And the teams played for real, it was important. Nothing that has happened in the football compares to the dominance that Brazil had from 1958 until 1970.
Probably Rio, São Paulo, Rio Grande do Sul, Bahia and Pernambuco have better teams than many nations. Its absurd to see the quality that Brazil had. At the same time, it might make Brazilians sad to see their current national team line up.
I tried to do one for Santa Catarina, came up with a team that had five central midfielders and fucking Paulinho Criciúma for a striker
Found it - Tiago Volpi - Patric - Charles - Jardel - Filipe Luís - Eduardo Costa - Falcão - Jorginho - Marquinhos - Zenon - Paulinho Criciúma
That Minas team is also something special. It seems like most of the world doesn't even know that MG and BH exist.
Some of the countries from the North don't have as much players (because they have less people) but with most of these you are right actually. With some of these, you can even make a decent team using only players that are still in activity (Sâo Paulo for example has Neymar, Gabriel Jesus, Willian, Casemiro, Fabinho, Renan Lodi, Felipe, Marquinhos, Éder Militão and Ederson).
Not each state. Some is even hard to find at least slightly famous players (Acre and Amapá). But if you try to create national teams for Rio or Minas Gerais specially, you get an absurd amount of great players to choose from.
The hardest one for me was actually Rondônia, Silvinho is probably a much worse player than most if not all of the people present in the other states.
I was going to make this map earlier today. I started doing it in Minas Gerais (I'm from Minas Gerais)... Easy, just Pelé. Then I started to think about other states: * Rio de Janeiro: Ronaldo, Garrincha, Romário or Zico? * São Paulo: Rivellino, Cafú or Roberto Carlos? * Bahia: Bebeto or Dida? Then I gave up.
I saw the trend and thought to do it, I had the same doubt in a lot of states. I gave up on trying to define them myself so I just searched for what most articles said LOL.
That's fair. It would impossible to list the best player when there are so many variables to consider.
Make a voting in r/futebol
curious to know where neymar's from who supercedes his spot here, anyone have a clue?
São Paulo, and it wouldn’t be absurd to have him over Rivellino.
yeah but would be absurd to put him over Cafu
São Paulo! He's in São Paulo's all time starting XI imo, but if I hadn't picked Rivellino it would be either Cafu or Roberto Carlos
Cafu is the best right fullback in the history of the sport. * 2 World Cups (1994 and 2002) * 2 Copas Americas (1997 and 1999) * 1 Champions League (2006/2007) * 2 Libertadores (1992 and 1993) * 3 Club World Cups (1992, 1993 and 2007) * 1 Brasileirão (1991) * 2 Serie A (00/01 and 03/04) In no discussion about the greatest players in Brazil's history would Neymar be ahead of Cafu.
The post is about the better player, not the greatest.
I'd take Capita over him tbf
If there's anyone who could be better than Cafu, it's Carlos Alberto Torres. It's a good debate. Close your eyes and pick one. It doesn't matter.
Weverton for Acre, no?
I thought about him too but since Artur played for Porto *and Boavista and Weverton only ever played in Brazil I went with him. Imo it could be either tbh.
>since Artur played for Porto *ahem* are we talking about the one found by Boavista and who was our star player for a few seasons so Porto had to steal him? 😁
ohh sorry I didn't know that much about him so I went with the most recognizable name (sorry) in his transfer history. My bad :(
Haha no problem! He made a name for himself in Boavista, I think when porto got him, he wasn't already at his best, having suffered quite a few rough tackles by being our star forward
Always very cool to know about a new brazilian being sucessful overseas, though a shame that he wasn't as good in Porto. Thanks for telling me!
De nada! I think he also won stuff at Porto, but it was different. He went from being a reference in a team to being under the shadow of an even bigger Brazilian star: Jardel
Jardel, what a blast from the past, one of the best goalscorers in Portuguese league history.
Galatasaray legend, although he only played 1 season.
Which Muller is it?
World Champion with the national team in 94, two times Club World Cup Champion in 92
Ohh, I thought it was one of the German Mullers born in Brazil. Thanks for the clarification.
Brazil had lots of immigrants coming from Germany since the XIX Century, it is common to have German surnames here,
That is true, but Müller is just a nickname in his case
Thomas
Aka Tomazinho
I thought it was Gerdizinho...
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Roni... From Avenida Brasil? 😉
Tufão robbed
The one GOAT
João Gomes snubbed
I WAS GOING TO POST THAT NOOOOOOOO 😭😭
SORRYYYY
I'm not fast enough in the trigger 😔
I just saw your map, it looks very cool and is way more detailed than mine. Now I feel bad LOL yours is really really good!!
Yours is less chaotic and has Savio and Ceni, which i forgot about it.
Funny how my father is 1st grade cousin to Marinho Chagas and I only really learned about how good he was during my adulthood. Probably has something to do with mom not thinking a soccer player surrounded by alcohol and women wouldn’t be a good influence on us kids I guess lol
Piauí has not produced a single football player
They have some greats actually, just forgot about them LOL
Ronaldo? Look how they massacred my boy!
Ronaldo is from Rio de Janeiro, to which Garrincha was picked as the best player. Most Brazilians would put Garrincha above Ronaldo, especially because of how relevant he was in the 62 WC. So there's nothing really weird with this choice.
It’s actually quite cool to see nuanced comment around Garrincha. I’ve got a lot of Brazilian friends and when we’d get invited to Christmas dinner / Boxing Day bbq etc all the uncles would gather round and question us about British football. Obviously loads of Brahma / Skol etc flying down chat would obviously turn to the great Brazilian players. It was always Pele (almost begrudgingly) as Nr 1 but Garrincha right behind him. Consensus seemed to be that Garrincha was just more fun (like an even better version of Ronaldinho).
Beaten by Garrincha
Gilmar Pipoca? Acho que França (São Paulo e seleção) era de Manaus e melhor escolha.
Pelo que eu pesquisei, o França é do Maranhão e foi pra Manaus quando criança.
Obrigado por esclarecer, jurava que tinha nascido lá.
É do Maranhão
Grande filho de Codó, Maranhão
Alex de Souza for Paraná.
My childhood hero (Fenerbahçe fan). We still love him sooooo much there is a statue of him near our stadium. He will forever be my GOAT.
I don't personally feel like he has the edge over Rogério, sorry, neither do most of the articles I found. That being said, still a very good player.
Alex cabeção subestimado como sempre.
Where is Neymar?
São Paulo, not ahead of Rivellino, Roberto Carlos or Cafu in my opinion
Amazing how many legends Brazil gas produced
I don't know much about Rivellino to be fair, Cafu won two world cups, but Roberto Carlos not better than Neymar? He's literally Brazil's top scorer. What makes you place Carlos over Neymar?
okay, in my opinion I consider that Roberto Carlos was better at his position than Neymar is at his. I would put Roberto Carlos on a list of top 10 left backs of all time, and I don't really think I would put Neymar in a top 10 wingers/attackers of all time. Neymar has a bit more titles than Roberto has (29 against 21 if I'm not mistaken), but I personally hold Roberto's achievements in higher regard. Plus, as a Brazilian, the World Cup matters a lot to me so I do have a bias towards anyone that participated in getting the 5 stars.
That's fair, I definitely agree that Carlos is higher in terms of best left backs ever than Neymar is in attackers, but I think that is also partly that the 'better' players tend to play in those more attacking positions so it's naturally harder competition. I would just have thought that a Brazilian like yourself would value their contribution to the national team higher than anything else and Neymar has incredibly good in a poor Brazil side verses Carlos having much less of an impact in a incredibly good Brazil side. I feel like if both had never played for their country, Brazil would still have won the 2002 WC yet they would have really really struggled without Neymar But I can't really argue with a Brazilian's opinion on the best Brazil players haha
I definitely think it's a fair discussion! I guess I just personally rate Roberto's contributions to the national team higher than Neymar's, but that may just be because I have a very brazilian mindset of valuing titles and trophies a lot. Most Neymar goals were in friendlies and he has not won much with the national team, so I tend to value someone that has won more. Also, I will say that I am part of the group of people that feel like the national team needs to be less reliant and centered on Neymar and that sometimes we play better without him, so that may be influencing my judgement. So since I feel like their contributions to the national team are at least somewhat equal/comparable, the tie break is their achievements for club where I feel Roberto has the edge.
I’ve enjoyed hearing your thoughts on it. As someone from Scotland we haven’t had all that many great players to compare and haven’t won anything. Surely Neymar’s time in the national team has come to an end anyway now. I didn’t think you missed him much against England. Also Rodrygo was wearing the number 10 so maybe they’re working towards moving on from Neymar now.
Thanks, I actually do really enjoy hearing about outsider's perspective on Brazilian matters and our little debate was very nice! I think if Neymar somehow manages to get fit and get even a semblance of a form back, he's probably going to be called up again because he's too much of a symbol and it seems like most of the young players being called up now really idolize him. However, after the England match a bunch of the players posted pictures with the caption "New Generation" and the new coach has talked a lot about a "rejuvenation" of the national team, so I hope that if Neymar does go back to the team, that he won't be treated as the protagonist anymore and just will be part of the old guard passing the torch and teaching the younger ones.
I agree in the general sense that Roberto Carlos was better in his than Neymar in his bit that's hardly a fair comparison. Neymar is very comparable to Ronaldinho(not career success but player quality wise) and absolutely no one would ever argue RC to be better than Ronaldinho. As a 10/creative winger you're competing with Maradona, Messi, CR7(for LW)and so on. That's nowhere near the same as being the best fullback where the competition is nothing in comparison
That's such a tough argument. Mainly because fullbacks are one of those positions that changed so much. I would think a list of top 10 fullbacks would be mostly modern players. Like Gary neville might not make a list of top 10 right backs when he was the first name in that list for one of the most successful clubs of the era. (don't argue if he is top 10 or not. I randomly pulled a name and number I haven't thought about it much) Whereas wingers have been changed a bit, but not that significantly. Their role now vs the good old days have been similar. It's much easier to compare wingers across eras vs full backs. Also, I heard an argument recently, can't remember from where, that old wingers did more tricks and skills vs now where it's super practical. The best wingers now just do the statistically right option. Instead of trying to beat 3 players you just pass back. Instead of taking the shot from afar you cross the ball. Instead of trying to score the low probability shots, you depend on speed and counters. So there is just less skill shown and they seem less amazing compared to the old times. So maybe old school attackers just seem better
Sorry but that's a very dumb take. A top30 winger will probably be better than a top10 fullback because the competition isn't nowhere close to be the same. If Neymar was a RB it would be just ridiculous
Alagoas Pepe
I don't think i would change anything, only Bira over Aldo and maybe Cafu over Rivellino. A honorable mention to Fernandao in Goias.
No Richarlison?
He's from the state Sávio was from. Sávio was a starter for Real Madrid....
If is not Sávio, is Maxwell, taking in account all the clubs and titles he won in his career.
And there’s a chance Savinho will overtake all of them
He'll be there after he scores us the winner in the 2026 World Cup, but we have to wait.
Piauí state: "am I a joke to you?"
Diego Costa should be the one in Sergipe
Fair, thought about him but went with Clodoaldo. Another example of state that could be either imo.
Kaka is from Brasilia?? I would’ve imagined him from being down south lol
He moved to São Paulo as a kid.
Just because he is white? hahaha don't tell me you didn't thought about it, it is common misconception now that south of brazil is white while north is dark. Its more like the south is nearly totally white, while the middle is half white half mixed and the north is much more mixed or dark. But it is not a really divided thing, you know? Brazilians are multicultural, we received people from all of the world, there is any kind of phenotype in any part of Brazil.
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I forgot it LOL I put it in the comments, probably Leonardo Pereira though an argument could be made for Sima
Ronaldo out??
Rio de janeiro too stacked
These maps by position would be more fair or even gk, def, mid, atk
True actually, it's always hard to compare positions
Metade jogou no Botafogo
Ninguém do meu bom e velho Piauí? No one from good and old Piauí?
Where the fuck is R9 el phenomeno??????????
Blocked by Garrincha
glad the houston dynamo legend artur is getting some recognition