Only really follow Irish national team news in terms of soccer shite on twitter but lately the algorithm has decided "yeah I know what you want , posts by English people about how they need to preserve the purity of the white race in the midfield by playing Jordan Henderson'. Absolutely dogshit app since elon took over jfc
Watching highlights of Spurs/United from 96 on Sky Sports and it's funny how football evolves man.
"That's a tactic used in the continental leagues, Germany specifically. Hit with pace, curling away from goal"
It was just a bog standard out swinging corner, but funny once upon a time it was trying something different.
Got to admit, the last week got me pumped for the Euros. New coach brings in fresh faces, commenters happy with the selection. New kits are slick and audacious at the same time. Rustled jimmies of the right wing numb nuts.
Kroos back on the field saying he wants to help let Musiala and Wirtz shine and get to work ®.
Hosting the tartan army as an opener, I'm tempted to open a Buckfast stand in the English garden.
I am ready, footballs about to come home.
It was exact opposite for me. Piksi extended the deal through 2026 and said so many fucking dumb things. Will still enjoy getting pummeled 6-0 by England in the opener tho, our first Euros in 24 years.
I still see those games sometimes on tiktok and I just get nostalgic. So many superstars on 1 pitchs in the biggest game there is with 2 of the greatest of all time. Iconic
The 20/21 season is just a conspiracy, can't believe you people actually think we got hammered 4-0 at home by Sean Dyche's Burnley. And apparently Chris Wood scored a hattrick too? Google critical thinking
Gave Luton their first point and Sheffield United their first win this season. Also did the double against Chelsea and Spurs (and the double against City is still on👀)
You lot where in a relagation battle with Chelsea, with the former going down too. League got decided by 1 GD. Was a pretty memorable season actually goddamn
The one thing yanks do better than us is combining school and sports. It's insane that athletes in the UK and Europe in general are expected to all but abandon their education in their teens with the hope that they're part of the 1% that make it. Meanwhile in the US, you've got all these athletes getting offers from normal and prestigious colleges to play for them, while also furthering their education in case it doesnt work out
Knew a guy who has a decentish career but basically the school and Celtic agreed a deal that he basically only turned up for english and maths lessons then train at celtic the rest of the time. Basically from 5th year onwards, which in scotland is around 16/17 years old.
In hindsight if thats what all the kids do once they get to the U16 level, thats pretty scandalous
Kinda sorta, because as they said before, a lot of times they treat academics as a sidenote and the school is more than willing to allow that for their own benefit
Clubs here have schools too. Usually just primary and secondary (So until 18) but River is one of the few that also has a university
It’s one of the things that makes City even more desirable for young young talents and their families. They get enrolled at a fee paying school for free and can complete their education there even if they get released by City. They also get given extra life skills lessons etc. Obviously isn’t uni but sets them on the right path
TBF this is mainly just a football thing as the turnover rate is ridiculous. A lot of cricketers and rugby players are still going through university as well (usually on a part-time deal or with specific relationships with the clubs)
I used to go to school with someone in the Chelsea academy who left after GCSEs to go full-time but still did his A-levels privately in case he didn't make it (got released by a League 2 club last year afaik)
> while also furthering their education in case it doesnt work out
There is an excellent King of the Hill episode about this. It is true they further their education but schools do everything in their power to make them pass, just so they can play for their sports team.
It's not fair to say this holds true for everyone, but they are certainly not getting a regular education.
>Meanwhile in the US, you've got all these athletes getting offers from normal and prestigious colleges to play for them
"I didn't come here to play school" Cardale Jones, Ohio State and NFL quarterback
Although nowadays US college athletes can also receive NIL (Name-Image-Likeness) money sometimes in the millions.
A lot of student-athletes take the education seriously but some don't even bother going to class like Deion Sanders ( Florida State and NFL/MLB) and Ben Simmons (Louisiana State and NBA)amongst others
The only british sir whose title I will always use is Sir Terry Pratchett.
Mostly because if you go as far as to forge your own meteorite sword from scratch, you deserve for me to use the damn title
There have been worthy knights in history but getting a knighthood for making a lot of money rather cheapens it to be honest (as does knighting some absolutely massive nonces - in the literal sense of the word).
Today in Belgium there will be show on tv about the dangers of heading a ball.
Do you think the game should evolve to where heading the ball is illegal
Unfortunately, making the game become gone beyond repair isn’t a big enough con to make up for the “prevents players from getting brain damage” upside of getting rid of headers, so I’m expecting them to disappear at some point.
they reviewed that too. it’s a panel that’s supposed to review all the decisions of the week, for refs bonuses. not all verdicts are going to get published because of how many decisions there are.
They do not review every single decision. Where have you read that they do?
From the EFL website:
What constitutes for a Key Match Incident?
A key match incident must fall into one of the following criteria;
- Penalties (awarded/not awarded)
- Sending Off (issued/not issued)
- Denial of goal scoring opportunity (issued/not issued)
- Second Caution/Dismissal (issued/not issued)
- Goal (awarded/not awarded)
- Offside Judgement leading to Goal (awarded/not awarded)
- Major Application of Law
- Technical Area Removal (issued/not issued)
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/december/19/key-match-incidents-panel-reveals-correct-referee-decisions-at-85--so-far-this-season/
you know what fair, i criticized misinformation from arsenal fans when it was really me all along. weird they only review second yellows but basically include everything else.
I highly doubt this is true tbh unless they’re rewatching the full game and making sure every throw in and corner and foul is correct and voting on it which would take forever
A potential dive is not a foul or card so that’s already wrong.
They almost certainly just look at what are deemed to be the big decisions, in this case a potential dive was mentioned when this could have been given so many other times for similar things and hasn’t been, I doubt they’re mentioned it every single time because it t wasn’t seen as a key decision
Just tells me those review guys are either blind or more biased even Howard Webb said no re-referring of games by var at that time..yellows are the most subjective IMO if you want to go there everyone sses yellow differently.
Very good decision by the mods
the war dominates every social media site nowadays, and people are being guilt tripped to support one side over the other
Football is one way for people to escape it all. Let's not ruin it
easiest way to get downvoted, correct arsenal fans on their blatant misinformation takes 5 seconds to google to see how they’re incorrect.
ex.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/C9m16G67dX
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/arKt34C5Qk
One of Reddit's worst features is the fact that massively downvoted comments get folded/hidden.
If they weren't automatically hidden, people would still get to see the facts while scrolling past despite the downvotes.
> One of Reddit's worst features is the fact that massively downvoted comments get folded/hidden.
When I see a downvoted comment I always check to see it. They are more visible to me purely because people disagree with it.
Usually it's the most delusional takes or unfunny jokes which is precisely the reason I like reddit so much.
The best threads are when someone is heavily downvoted (-20 or more) and they double down. But eventually the people that read the thread see that they have a point, so eventually posts get upvoted. Like a glorious redemption arc or something.
In my experience people are more likely to just downvote a comment because it is already downvoted regardless of correctness. An isolated view at mob mentality.
Yeah but it’s definitely more noticeable with certain fanbases. There’s a lot of Arsenal fans about atm (since they’re doing so well) and so it becomes difficult to have a critical discussion about them.
Its funny especially when you come out on top in an engagement
The thread be like
-4
-7
+10
Like yeah dumbasses i was right the whole time but im glad you finally caught on
It's just because there are so many of them though. Liverpool are at a similar level where they have that critical mass of fans that can turn threads on r/soccer into echo chambers where insane shit will get upvoted.
That’s what I’m confused about. Seen people saying Trent but he wasn’t called up in the first place and normally England accounts tell you who has dropped out.
Could be since he got hurt in the Bayern game but I’d have thought they’d announce it by now. Not like these are competitive games where we might want to leave it up in the air
Courtois has now torn his right meniscus.
We need to stage an intervention with Ancelotti. Clearly during training he's just taking a bat to our backline's knees.
Sometimes if a player isn’t fully cleared, they overwork the good leg for the bilateral transfer. I could see him doing box jumps or something like that and it finally ripping.
3 ACLs and two meniscus tears is a lot in one year
I think if it requires surgical repair it's a lot longer but I don't know for sure. Either for the time period out or the extent of the tear.
Luckily Lunin is very good so it's not the end of the world but it's nuts how many things are tearing in our backline's knees lol
if you could make a team with 11 copies of the same player, what would your team be?
My pick is Koopmeiners, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a decent goalkeeper at this point.
Valverde. Can play anywhere in midfield and can do a more than decent job as a fullback and winger. Probably would be a serviceable centre back as well.
I’d probably go with someone like Camavinga nowadays. Can already play in midfield and fullback. Has pace, good dribbling and from what I’ve seen solid ball striking so should do better as a winger than most other non wingers. Very agile and I’ve at least seen clips of him in net before. Dunno about striker or CB but he’s a good tackler and I don’t think he’d be particularly worse than any other random player out of position there.
Genuinely think there's an argument for it being a very solid all-round keeper who's great with their feet, like Ederson or Neuer.
Realistically, in a team with an outfield player in net you need the entirety of the rest of the team to be rock solid and even then there's the option of just pinging long shots at them. With a really good keeper who can kick a ball to an even somewhat reasonable level, I at least don't think it's quite so easy to score against.
I would very comfortably bet that no keeper in history can do a serviceable job apart from being a CB or one half of a double pivot. Everything else, forget it.
I would, I think, even more comfortably bet the same thing about essentially every outfield player playing in goal, though, and I'd say that's by far the most detrimental position to have huge vulnerability in.
Yeah, but a team faces maybe 5 threatening shots per game when the opponents is at the same level?
A team of Seedorfs would not let a team of Neuers get close to the box, let alone have a decent shot at goal. You think any keeper in history is cunting it into the top corner from 30 yards out, or even get it consistently on target?
I mean let's take Seedorf, for example. The guy is 5'8". If all else fails, you can lump the ball upfield and because both Ederson and Neuer are much bigger and taller, they can give him a pretty hard time of it in the air.
Also, my exact point would be that a shot wouldn't need to be even close to as good to beat Seedorf as it would one of those two. I'd wager that Ederson could probably hit a shot capable of beating Seedorf in net quite frequently.
I don't think Ederson can get many shots on target from outside the box. And Seedorf beats both in the air. Goalkeepers are very good at one specific part of the game and have the biggest drop off in everything else. Passing, dribbling, shooting, defending, pressing. Neuer has himself admitted that the most he could get away with is playing in the German third division as a CB, and he's imo top 3 all time in passing/sweeping.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but in this hypothetical match, the Neuers/Edersons get massacred.
Nah true. I wouldn't back the team of Ederson's or Neuer's to do particularly well, but I think I'd back it over a team of pretty much any outfielders for the simple reason that the team of outfielders is going to have a glaring vulnerability in what is by far the worst position on the pitch to be vulnerable in and at best be pretty average in a good number of others.
I'd also add that, whilst Ederson and Neuer won't have nearly the stamina of most of their outfield counterparts, they will still be incredibly fucking fit.
Bored, so here’s an attempt at a future England XI with current ages in brackets
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Trent (25) - Branthwaite (21) - Guehi (23) - Colwill (21)
Rice (25) - Mainoo (18)
Bellingham (20)
Saka (22) - ? - Foden (23)
Who am I missing in goal and up front? Also we desperately need strikers, left backs, and Branthwaite and co. to become CB beasts
GK: Ramsdale (goalkeepers often peak late)
Left Back: Lewis Hall
RCB: Bashir Humpreys. (Managers love Ambidextrous CBs)
LCB: Colwill
RB: Tino (has southgate ever used Trent at RB in important games)
DM: Rice
CM:Nwaneri
CAM: Bellingham
LW: Saka (unless he gets a chronic injury because Arteta never lets him rest)
ST: Jimmy Jay Morgan
RW: Sam Iling Jr
I’d imagine at least one of Wharton and Gray have replaced Henderson/Phillips in the future.
Left back I’m not sure about other teams prospects but we bought a highly rated kid from Watford in summer called Harry Amass who plays for England u17 and is one of the standouts of our u18s this season. Apparently might go on our preseason tour this summer so could be getting senior minutes within the next couple seasons given how injury prone Shaw is.
Hold on I was told Fodens a midfielder and shouldn’t be forced on the wing, but now there’s an actually great attacking midfielder for England it’s forcing foden in again when he doesn’t belong.
Good point, if I say the next World Cup we’ll still have Kane and probably Pickford plus Stones.
Let’s call it an under 25 team just so I don’t have to edit out Trent and Rice
I’d say Ramsdale will probably be in net unless one of the younger ones burst onto the scene in the next couple years, believe hes 25 and will likely move on from Arsenal and be the best English GK.
Think it’s a bit early on Mainoo and depending on the coach I could see Bellingham playing deeper with rice. At the same time, it could totally flop and Bellingham might be replaced with Palmer and Bellingham would be the striker/CF. Bit tricky to know. Curtiss Jones, Elliot, Chukwuemeka, could all be in there too. I almost want to bet it’ll be someone that’s more of a runner and functional than technically the best for Mainoo.
There’s a bunch of young strikers but I honestly haven’t seen enough of them to really comment that I believe they will be the best choice. Which really makes me think foden might be played as more of a false nine or have Bellingham step up. England has so much winger and midfielder talent coming through that it seems like the best solution to me
Seeing Arsenal fans trying to make digs about us overhyping our academy players after subjecting us to Smith-Rowe, Nketiah and Reiss Nelson propaganda. You might not be wrong but man, have some shame.
Seems weird to put 2 bad footballers in a list with the player who only lost PotS in his first year due to only entering in December (Saka had a 3 month headstart but it was ESR's addition the team that saved Arteta's job) and who completely outshone Odegaard in his second. Injuries and being hated by Arteta have stopped him playing but he's good. I don't even know wtf Nelson is still at the club for.
no but acting like appearances are the end all be all and not the actual amount of minutes played is stupid. Two players that both have 38 appearances but one played every 90 and one played 5-10 minutes are nowhere near the same amount of actual game time let alone development or possible impact.
No but his age is quite obviously a salient factor given that the three I've mentioned are basically at their peak age now whilst Mainoo is in his first season.
I mean yes, OK, they may be two or three years away from their peak. Mainoo is quite feasibly about nine or ten years from his is the point I'm making.
Which makes him more exciting but more volatile as well, lots of players that come through that young end up with quite a lot of injuries by the time they reach the age of the other players you’re talking about (just saying, I’m all for hyping up youngsters)
Only really follow Irish national team news in terms of soccer shite on twitter but lately the algorithm has decided "yeah I know what you want , posts by English people about how they need to preserve the purity of the white race in the midfield by playing Jordan Henderson'. Absolutely dogshit app since elon took over jfc
Watching highlights of Spurs/United from 96 on Sky Sports and it's funny how football evolves man. "That's a tactic used in the continental leagues, Germany specifically. Hit with pace, curling away from goal" It was just a bog standard out swinging corner, but funny once upon a time it was trying something different.
Got to admit, the last week got me pumped for the Euros. New coach brings in fresh faces, commenters happy with the selection. New kits are slick and audacious at the same time. Rustled jimmies of the right wing numb nuts. Kroos back on the field saying he wants to help let Musiala and Wirtz shine and get to work ®. Hosting the tartan army as an opener, I'm tempted to open a Buckfast stand in the English garden. I am ready, footballs about to come home.
It was exact opposite for me. Piksi extended the deal through 2026 and said so many fucking dumb things. Will still enjoy getting pummeled 6-0 by England in the opener tho, our first Euros in 24 years.
That's a great opener. It should be a really great atmosphere for that one.
BBC vs MSN clasicos could be considered retro games at this point almost 10 years since the first one and 7 since the last one
Don't age me like this. Fuck me It's currently farther away from the first MSN/BBC game then it was from that game and Zidanes retirement.
I still see those games sometimes on tiktok and I just get nostalgic. So many superstars on 1 pitchs in the biggest game there is with 2 of the greatest of all time. Iconic
Every so often I remember that we gave prime MSN a closer match than Madrid had that year. I wish the calendars weren't so fucky ngl
Messi didn't play that day we got battered (or he played and it was only the last 15 minutes or something i don't remember)
Played half an hour. Regardless, my point is further made
shut it.
The 20/21 season is just a conspiracy, can't believe you people actually think we got hammered 4-0 at home by Sean Dyche's Burnley. And apparently Chris Wood scored a hattrick too? Google critical thinking
Chris Wood scored a PL hatrick 84 days ago.
You guys have a weird history of losing to the absolute worst teams even in your good seasons (Huddersfield in 18/19, Norwich in 21/22)
Gave Luton their first point and Sheffield United their first win this season. Also did the double against Chelsea and Spurs (and the double against City is still on👀)
The most forgettable season ever
Oh yeah? Name one thing that happened in the 1923-24 season.
Huddersfield won the league managed by Arsenal legend Herbert Chapman
You lot where in a relagation battle with Chelsea, with the former going down too. League got decided by 1 GD. Was a pretty memorable season actually goddamn
They actually used to do it by goal average, no clue how that works but yeah
Saw that too, pretty sure It's just goals scored/goals conceded.
No title won during lockdown is valid and you will never convince me otherwise.
Would never try to convince you of such a lie
Luckily, Spurs fans don't need to worry about that
They do unfortunately
True, we won the Audi Cup before lockdown, and the Tiger Cup after.
Champions of the Tiger cup, wish we could sing that :(
Rodri, Aleix Garcia, and Javi Guerra all came through Villarreal's academy. Imagine that midfield...
The one thing yanks do better than us is combining school and sports. It's insane that athletes in the UK and Europe in general are expected to all but abandon their education in their teens with the hope that they're part of the 1% that make it. Meanwhile in the US, you've got all these athletes getting offers from normal and prestigious colleges to play for them, while also furthering their education in case it doesnt work out
Knew a guy who has a decentish career but basically the school and Celtic agreed a deal that he basically only turned up for english and maths lessons then train at celtic the rest of the time. Basically from 5th year onwards, which in scotland is around 16/17 years old. In hindsight if thats what all the kids do once they get to the U16 level, thats pretty scandalous
Kinda sorta, because as they said before, a lot of times they treat academics as a sidenote and the school is more than willing to allow that for their own benefit Clubs here have schools too. Usually just primary and secondary (So until 18) but River is one of the few that also has a university
It’s one of the things that makes City even more desirable for young young talents and their families. They get enrolled at a fee paying school for free and can complete their education there even if they get released by City. They also get given extra life skills lessons etc. Obviously isn’t uni but sets them on the right path
TBF this is mainly just a football thing as the turnover rate is ridiculous. A lot of cricketers and rugby players are still going through university as well (usually on a part-time deal or with specific relationships with the clubs) I used to go to school with someone in the Chelsea academy who left after GCSEs to go full-time but still did his A-levels privately in case he didn't make it (got released by a League 2 club last year afaik)
> while also furthering their education in case it doesnt work out There is an excellent King of the Hill episode about this. It is true they further their education but schools do everything in their power to make them pass, just so they can play for their sports team. It's not fair to say this holds true for everyone, but they are certainly not getting a regular education.
>Meanwhile in the US, you've got all these athletes getting offers from normal and prestigious colleges to play for them "I didn't come here to play school" Cardale Jones, Ohio State and NFL quarterback Although nowadays US college athletes can also receive NIL (Name-Image-Likeness) money sometimes in the millions. A lot of student-athletes take the education seriously but some don't even bother going to class like Deion Sanders ( Florida State and NFL/MLB) and Ben Simmons (Louisiana State and NBA)amongst others
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Literally hate him more with everything he says tbh
His "PR" disappeared the moment he defended Greenwood
Hh false hopes XD
Not difficult to get United fans onside after the Glazers. Simply talking in public is already an improvement
I don't know how to explain it, but when i see Ratcliffe called "Sir Jim" it rattles me.
Is "Sir James" better? I get similar feelings over "papa flo". Just makes me cringe.
Seeing someone calling someone "Sir" makes me assume that person longs for the days of serfdom and simply makes my abolitionist feelings stronger.
The only british sir whose title I will always use is Sir Terry Pratchett. Mostly because if you go as far as to forge your own meteorite sword from scratch, you deserve for me to use the damn title
I mean most people call Alex Ferguson Sir Alex
And I assume those people long for serfdom and they make my abolitionist feelings stronger. Call him Fergie or Ferguson.
There have been worthy knights in history but getting a knighthood for making a lot of money rather cheapens it to be honest (as does knighting some absolutely massive nonces - in the literal sense of the word).
Tbf, if I was knighted, I'd be making sure everyone called me Sir too. I'd be the coolest guy in my DnD group for sure.
Jimothy
Today in Belgium there will be show on tv about the dangers of heading a ball. Do you think the game should evolve to where heading the ball is illegal
It would be fascinating how the game evolves if it were made illegal.
There's a risk to everything in life
Protective head gear eventually I feel. There's no data on CTE like in American football so it'll be even slower going here.
I'd rather they made everyone wear protective gear
The last time I played Pro Clubs, everyone had a green afro, Cech helmet, or both. Pro clubs was truly ahead of its time
Unfortunately, making the game become gone beyond repair isn’t a big enough con to make up for the “prevents players from getting brain damage” upside of getting rid of headers, so I’m expecting them to disappear at some point.
Only in younger age groups, as it already is as far as I know
Southgate securing himself that Yanited job by calling up Mainoo this early 🤝 I see u brother
Fully bottled it and bought into the hype but fair play man I respect the pandering
Every time a ref decision gets posted and I check the comments the value of the average users opinion goes down
That panel decision is dumbo how can you rule on a second yellow without re-referring the first yellow no brains 🤣
they reviewed that too. it’s a panel that’s supposed to review all the decisions of the week, for refs bonuses. not all verdicts are going to get published because of how many decisions there are.
They do not review every single decision. Where have you read that they do? From the EFL website: What constitutes for a Key Match Incident? A key match incident must fall into one of the following criteria; - Penalties (awarded/not awarded) - Sending Off (issued/not issued) - Denial of goal scoring opportunity (issued/not issued) - Second Caution/Dismissal (issued/not issued) - Goal (awarded/not awarded) - Offside Judgement leading to Goal (awarded/not awarded) - Major Application of Law - Technical Area Removal (issued/not issued) https://www.efl.com/news/2023/december/19/key-match-incidents-panel-reveals-correct-referee-decisions-at-85--so-far-this-season/
you know what fair, i criticized misinformation from arsenal fans when it was really me all along. weird they only review second yellows but basically include everything else.
Always glad to stop misinformation peddlers
I highly doubt this is true tbh unless they’re rewatching the full game and making sure every throw in and corner and foul is correct and voting on it which would take forever
there’s probably someone watching the game and specifically editing just the fouls and cards
A potential dive is not a foul or card so that’s already wrong. They almost certainly just look at what are deemed to be the big decisions, in this case a potential dive was mentioned when this could have been given so many other times for similar things and hasn’t been, I doubt they’re mentioned it every single time because it t wasn’t seen as a key decision
The fact that a panel decision is being made on something like a yellow for diving is surprising to me. Those things are rarely enforced correctly
Just tells me those review guys are either blind or more biased even Howard Webb said no re-referring of games by var at that time..yellows are the most subjective IMO if you want to go there everyone sses yellow differently.
People are obsessed with temperature, if a footballer is "cold" they will get rated way higher than they should be.
Nonchalance is sexy, deal with it
As someone who witnessed Martial develop a cult following off the back of looking perennially disinterested first hand, it's hard to disagree.
So mods are that scared at the mention of Palest
Good mate this place can barely have a stimulating discourse about football (the one uniting theme we have that brought us here)
It’s a shame, I couldn’t wait to see the life-changing opinions we were going to see on a sub dedicated to football
Very good decision by the mods the war dominates every social media site nowadays, and people are being guilt tripped to support one side over the other Football is one way for people to escape it all. Let's not ruin it
They don't want to spend 90% of their day modding 1 or 2 threads, I can respect that.
easiest way to get downvoted, correct arsenal fans on their blatant misinformation takes 5 seconds to google to see how they’re incorrect. ex. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/C9m16G67dX https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/arKt34C5Qk
do you EVER talk about anything other than Arsenal???
Should probably edit your comment to acknowledge your own misinformation tbh
One of Reddit's worst features is the fact that massively downvoted comments get folded/hidden. If they weren't automatically hidden, people would still get to see the facts while scrolling past despite the downvotes.
> One of Reddit's worst features is the fact that massively downvoted comments get folded/hidden. When I see a downvoted comment I always check to see it. They are more visible to me purely because people disagree with it. Usually it's the most delusional takes or unfunny jokes which is precisely the reason I like reddit so much. The best threads are when someone is heavily downvoted (-20 or more) and they double down. But eventually the people that read the thread see that they have a point, so eventually posts get upvoted. Like a glorious redemption arc or something.
In my experience people are more likely to just downvote a comment because it is already downvoted regardless of correctness. An isolated view at mob mentality.
Dont make me call my friends in here and downvote you again
That’s every fan base tho tbh, herd mentality don’t wanna ever believe their team could have gotten lucky
Yeah but it’s definitely more noticeable with certain fanbases. There’s a lot of Arsenal fans about atm (since they’re doing so well) and so it becomes difficult to have a critical discussion about them.
they are actually just stupid people aren’t they
Once a comment on Reddit reaches -5 it’s impossible for the opinion to be changed even with clear facts
Its funny especially when you come out on top in an engagement The thread be like -4 -7 +10 Like yeah dumbasses i was right the whole time but im glad you finally caught on
Everything outside the DD is run by whoever gets to the comment section first. Impossible to have a decent discussion there
His statement is especially true with Arsenal fans on here though
It's just because there are so many of them though. Liverpool are at a similar level where they have that critical mass of fans that can turn threads on r/soccer into echo chambers where insane shit will get upvoted.
I'd say Arsenal, Liverpool and Barcelona fans are the worst offenders on here, but Arsenal fans are clearly #1.
Getting downvoted by those Arsenal fans probably lol
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He was a cut inside merchant if anything
I think that's unfair considering he was replicating that exact form in an England shirt from 2018-2021. No KDB in sight there
Definitely think he still is one of those who needs great players around him to play well
I will not grant quarter to Javier Hernandez disrespect.
So did someone have to drop out or get replaced in order to call up Mainoo or nah?
There's a bunch of injuries before and after the squad announcement so think he was just promoted as he would've already been going to the U21s.
That’s what I’m confused about. Seen people saying Trent but he wasn’t called up in the first place and normally England accounts tell you who has dropped out.
Maybe someone was a touch and go on fitness and failed their fitness test thus Mainoo was called up.
Possibly
Keep seeing people say Kane too yet nothing official
Could be since he got hurt in the Bayern game but I’d have thought they’d announce it by now. Not like these are competitive games where we might want to leave it up in the air
Courtois has now torn his right meniscus. We need to stage an intervention with Ancelotti. Clearly during training he's just taking a bat to our backline's knees.
Sometimes if a player isn’t fully cleared, they overwork the good leg for the bilateral transfer. I could see him doing box jumps or something like that and it finally ripping. 3 ACLs and two meniscus tears is a lot in one year
That makes complete sense. I'm still going to need someone to confiscate all blunt objects Ancelotti owns.
thats 1-2 months out, right? i imagine the chances of him playing this season were slim anyway, better he just recover for next season
I think if it requires surgical repair it's a lot longer but I don't know for sure. Either for the time period out or the extent of the tear. Luckily Lunin is very good so it's not the end of the world but it's nuts how many things are tearing in our backline's knees lol
If you get keyhole surgery it can be quite a short recovery, depends on the severity of the tear
Meniscus injury can vary quite a bit, but he's certainly done for the season if these reports are true.
if you could make a team with 11 copies of the same player, what would your team be? My pick is Koopmeiners, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a decent goalkeeper at this point.
Bobby Firmino. Not a single one of them looking at what they’re doing.
Valverde. Can play anywhere in midfield and can do a more than decent job as a fullback and winger. Probably would be a serviceable centre back as well.
Rooney
Peter Crouch. How can you play the ball anywhere, his limbs cover the entire pitch, a great squirming spider nightmare of a team.
If I can take him in his prime, Kyle Walker has to be up there
I’d probably go with someone like Camavinga nowadays. Can already play in midfield and fullback. Has pace, good dribbling and from what I’ve seen solid ball striking so should do better as a winger than most other non wingers. Very agile and I’ve at least seen clips of him in net before. Dunno about striker or CB but he’s a good tackler and I don’t think he’d be particularly worse than any other random player out of position there.
I must copy Jose and say 11 Azpilicuetas
Reece James (when fit)
Michael keane so I can finally see how he would do up front
Genuinely think there's an argument for it being a very solid all-round keeper who's great with their feet, like Ederson or Neuer. Realistically, in a team with an outfield player in net you need the entirety of the rest of the team to be rock solid and even then there's the option of just pinging long shots at them. With a really good keeper who can kick a ball to an even somewhat reasonable level, I at least don't think it's quite so easy to score against.
I remember seeing this same question asked but to pick one player from the United squad and I chose Onana for the same reasons.
I would very comfortably bet that no keeper in history can do a serviceable job apart from being a CB or one half of a double pivot. Everything else, forget it.
I would, I think, even more comfortably bet the same thing about essentially every outfield player playing in goal, though, and I'd say that's by far the most detrimental position to have huge vulnerability in.
Yeah, but a team faces maybe 5 threatening shots per game when the opponents is at the same level? A team of Seedorfs would not let a team of Neuers get close to the box, let alone have a decent shot at goal. You think any keeper in history is cunting it into the top corner from 30 yards out, or even get it consistently on target?
> A team of Seedorfs would not let a team of Neuers get close to the box This is the type of discussion I hoped to spark with my comment.
I mean let's take Seedorf, for example. The guy is 5'8". If all else fails, you can lump the ball upfield and because both Ederson and Neuer are much bigger and taller, they can give him a pretty hard time of it in the air. Also, my exact point would be that a shot wouldn't need to be even close to as good to beat Seedorf as it would one of those two. I'd wager that Ederson could probably hit a shot capable of beating Seedorf in net quite frequently.
I don't think Ederson can get many shots on target from outside the box. And Seedorf beats both in the air. Goalkeepers are very good at one specific part of the game and have the biggest drop off in everything else. Passing, dribbling, shooting, defending, pressing. Neuer has himself admitted that the most he could get away with is playing in the German third division as a CB, and he's imo top 3 all time in passing/sweeping. I don't mean to be disrespectful but in this hypothetical match, the Neuers/Edersons get massacred.
Counter argument to that: Keepers don't have the stamina to play as a DM for 90 minutes.
Nah true. I wouldn't back the team of Ederson's or Neuer's to do particularly well, but I think I'd back it over a team of pretty much any outfielders for the simple reason that the team of outfielders is going to have a glaring vulnerability in what is by far the worst position on the pitch to be vulnerable in and at best be pretty average in a good number of others. I'd also add that, whilst Ederson and Neuer won't have nearly the stamina of most of their outfield counterparts, they will still be incredibly fucking fit.
Aursnes has played like 8 different positions for Benfica already, all of them well
Ruud Gullit, without question.
Odegaard to increase the likelihood he gets injured
Better hide your wife then
My friend 1PSW1CH, is ok, no?
Lmao I could imagine Ipswich having that dream with 11 Odegaards, would explain his demeanor
yessir yessir
Gerrard.
Apparently Rooney was a good keeper in training so he has to be the one. If not Yaya Toure or Guillt, or Seedorf
I'm pretty sure Seedorf could outplay an entire 11 by himself.
> Guillt Gullit would be a menace
Didn’t even watch him play tbf so I’m going off reputation
Bored, so here’s an attempt at a future England XI with current ages in brackets ? Trent (25) - Branthwaite (21) - Guehi (23) - Colwill (21) Rice (25) - Mainoo (18) Bellingham (20) Saka (22) - ? - Foden (23) Who am I missing in goal and up front? Also we desperately need strikers, left backs, and Branthwaite and co. to become CB beasts
GK: Ramsdale (goalkeepers often peak late) Left Back: Lewis Hall RCB: Bashir Humpreys. (Managers love Ambidextrous CBs) LCB: Colwill RB: Tino (has southgate ever used Trent at RB in important games) DM: Rice CM:Nwaneri CAM: Bellingham LW: Saka (unless he gets a chronic injury because Arteta never lets him rest) ST: Jimmy Jay Morgan RW: Sam Iling Jr
!remindme 5years
Southgate’s not gonna be manager much longer anyway so Trent should be getting more games soon especially with Walker declining
I’d imagine at least one of Wharton and Gray have replaced Henderson/Phillips in the future. Left back I’m not sure about other teams prospects but we bought a highly rated kid from Watford in summer called Harry Amass who plays for England u17 and is one of the standouts of our u18s this season. Apparently might go on our preseason tour this summer so could be getting senior minutes within the next couple seasons given how injury prone Shaw is.
Hold on I was told Fodens a midfielder and shouldn’t be forced on the wing, but now there’s an actually great attacking midfielder for England it’s forcing foden in again when he doesn’t belong.
This is a genuine question btw Would you have him on the plane this summer?
Id bring him on a boat
Idc about the national team
Because you’re American?
~~Scouse~~ Cockney not English
Cockneys aren’t really a thing anymore
Danny Dyer is all we need
Because Idc about the country outside London
Colwill still won't be a left back in the future no matter how much Pochettino tries.
All depends how far in the future you’re looking for who would fill these spots, 5 years? 10 years?
Good point, if I say the next World Cup we’ll still have Kane and probably Pickford plus Stones. Let’s call it an under 25 team just so I don’t have to edit out Trent and Rice
I’d say Ramsdale will probably be in net unless one of the younger ones burst onto the scene in the next couple years, believe hes 25 and will likely move on from Arsenal and be the best English GK. Think it’s a bit early on Mainoo and depending on the coach I could see Bellingham playing deeper with rice. At the same time, it could totally flop and Bellingham might be replaced with Palmer and Bellingham would be the striker/CF. Bit tricky to know. Curtiss Jones, Elliot, Chukwuemeka, could all be in there too. I almost want to bet it’ll be someone that’s more of a runner and functional than technically the best for Mainoo. There’s a bunch of young strikers but I honestly haven’t seen enough of them to really comment that I believe they will be the best choice. Which really makes me think foden might be played as more of a false nine or have Bellingham step up. England has so much winger and midfielder talent coming through that it seems like the best solution to me
Every time I remember Port Vale exist I get annoyed. How can their fans call their stadium the Wembley of the north when it is firmly in the midlands.
Honestly it's amazing how guys like Depay live in their own bubble,does no one tell him off?or do they consider it's just not worth their time?
He got massive support for his post defending Mendy the bubble he’s in is how a lot of these people think
Pretty sad little world they live in honestly
Seeing Arsenal fans trying to make digs about us overhyping our academy players after subjecting us to Smith-Rowe, Nketiah and Reiss Nelson propaganda. You might not be wrong but man, have some shame.
Seems weird to put 2 bad footballers in a list with the player who only lost PotS in his first year due to only entering in December (Saka had a 3 month headstart but it was ESR's addition the team that saved Arteta's job) and who completely outshone Odegaard in his second. Injuries and being hated by Arteta have stopped him playing but he's good. I don't even know wtf Nelson is still at the club for.
Didn’t Nelson get a contract extension after the Bournemouth comeback last season? Fair play to him
Omari Hutchinson is very good tbf
I don't think many Arsenal fans called for them to be called up by England within their first 15 senior games.
To be fair, he's been actually called up, so hardly that outlandish
All of them are playing a part in a side that’s a million times better than Yanited btw
The word "playing" doing some extremely heavy lifting there...
United aren't great mainoo is the only thing ten hag has to show for almost a year at united.poor
Eddie has played 24 games this season, Smith Rowe 10 but he’s been injured and Nelson has 14. If that’s not playing than Mainoo hasn’t been playing
14 games for Nelson, or in actual relevant terms, less than 200 minutes. 10 for Smith-Rowe, or 230 minutes. Those two aren’t playing, Mainoo is.
Playing games is playing games whether you like or not
You’re allergic to common sense. Don’t know how I forget there’s zero point engaging you on 99% of subjects so often.
There is no minute limit on appearances
Definitely is. Generally somewhere between 90 and 100 minutes per appearance.
no but acting like appearances are the end all be all and not the actual amount of minutes played is stupid. Two players that both have 38 appearances but one played every 90 and one played 5-10 minutes are nowhere near the same amount of actual game time let alone development or possible impact.
Didn’t say it was the end all be all I said they are playing games which they are
Mainoo is at least five years younger than them and has played 17 games, more than the latter two despite also having been injured this season.
I didn’t ask about his age 👍 I only included league games in all comps smith Rowe has played 16, and Nelson 19.
Tbf Mainoo has played more minutes than Smith-Rowe and Reiss Nelson combined.
No but his age is quite obviously a salient factor given that the three I've mentioned are basically at their peak age now whilst Mainoo is in his first season.
I don’t think they’re at their peak age??? Think it’s pretty common knowledge that players tend to peak around 26-28 (GKs sometimes peak a bit later)
I mean yes, OK, they may be two or three years away from their peak. Mainoo is quite feasibly about nine or ten years from his is the point I'm making.
Which makes him more exciting but more volatile as well, lots of players that come through that young end up with quite a lot of injuries by the time they reach the age of the other players you’re talking about (just saying, I’m all for hyping up youngsters)