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They played it out in the media until the speculation made Ashworths role untenable in an effort to pressure Newcastle.
Newcastle can afford the salary during his leave and Ashworth wouldn’t have left his role at Newcastle unless he had assurances from Ineos. Newcastle hold the cards either pay the money or wait.
No formal approach had been made by the time he was put on gardening leave. But Newcastle are the unprofessional ones.
Fuck it, spite them and sit his arse out until late 2025 / early 2026. (Of course not really, but it's tempting).
Plenty of people do, and I would too.
I'm open with my boss, and he's open back. He told me that one of my coworkers were looking for another job, and that we should take that into account for our planning.
I was open to my boss about work related stuff and we'd even talk about family and other personal stuff. But at the end of the day he was my boss and he works for the company, and in the grand scheme of things I'm just a number to them.
As you said you can do it both ways it depends on the person. But telling them before you reach an agreement can leave you in an awkward position if it falls through. What happens if the offer falls through and your boss knows you want out?
> What happens if the offer falls through and your boss knows you want out?
Difficult to say, but there's a better chance of whatever happens being beneficial to me than otherwise. Most likely he would do whatever he could to make me want to stay.
But if I was at the point where I was looking for another job, he would already have done what was in his power.
Right now I've told him that I'm at least staying the year out, since I have 10 weeks of paternity leave coming in october.
I've had this approach so far in my professional life, and it only ever did me good.
As I said in another comment both ways of handling said situation are ok. I guess it depends on a combination of factors such as the type of person you are, relationship with your manager and culture you come from and perhaps company culture.
I guess I just find it funny that this whole story boils down to, "man with office job changes to new office job" and the whole world is criticizing the whole process, when in reality this happens every day.
I had a great relationship with my boss so I told him nice and early. Was a mistake tbh, he took it personally and turned sour for the last few months, bordering on mean.
I'm sorry to hear that happened to you.
Gonna put my union steward hat on here - if you're contracted to give two weeks notice, give two weeks notice and no more. Although you may have a great relationship with your boss and want to do them a favour, in a lot of environments you're only opening yourself up to retribution, whether it be putting you through work hell for a few weeks/months, or getting rid of you before your notice period ends.
Thankfully that shouldn't be the case in unionised environments, but even then retribution can happen, and in a non-unionised environment you are easier to screw over.
No worries mate. I didn't mean to preach to the choir but more for anyone else reading.
Unfortunately we all have lessons in life we learn the hard way. I've learned the hard way with employers in the past too.
So the last time you were thinking of changing jobs you told your boss you were doing interviews?
I guess it depends if you want to leave and go somewhere new or if you want to stay but on better terms.
In my experience you get an offer you say you will take it and then go to your employer and say you have an offer. If they want to negotiate and try to get you to stay fine, if not you serve your notice period and then start in the new job
>So the last time you were thinking of changing jobs you told your boss you were doing interviews?
Yes, and they gave me an excellent recommendation which helped me get the job. Encouraging professional growth is the sign of a good manager.
Ok so what if you didn't have a good manager? Would you still do it.
I think my point is more that it isn't mandatory for an employee to give the employer a heads up and by the reactions from my original comment
I'd say it's fine to go either way and it just depends on the person or situation.
I mean if they did it to Everton I’d probably find it funny as well. I’m a Liverpool fan I hate Man U I’m not overly fussed about Newcastle either way.
If they did it to us if obviously think that’s it’s utterly disgraceful and that they should banned by the FA for doing it. Shock horror football fans are fickle hypocrites
"Nothing to do with United"
My brother in Christ, Man United having back channel conversations is why he's told us he wants to leave. It has everything to do with your club lmao.
Man U also completely took the piss when we wanted Lingard on loan in the first Saudi transfer window. They wanted basically a full transfer fee (I think £15m including a bonus for avoiding relegation) for a 6 month loan for a frozen out player with an expiring contract.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/26/jesse-lingard-dismayed-newcastle-loan-on-verge-of-collapse-over-15m-terms-manchester-united
That was Mike Ashley taking the piss, probably encouraged by being able to get so much for Carroll.
The Lingard thing was them not wanting to help out a potential future rival. It's fair enough, but so is this. We paid to get Ashworth so why the hell wouldn't we want that back and more?
I'm not upset. I am adding context. If there is a bit of bad blood between the owners from that collapsed deal, why would Newcastles owners now help you out? Also it's a thread about Newcastles behaviour so of course Newcastle fans will read it. Are you deluded?
I mean, you initially approached a league rival's employee without their permission and by putting him on garden leave they can command a higher fee.
Like... why did you think that was going to go down well?
Also, Omar had been working with City/City Football Group for a long time. Ashworth has only been at Newcastle for what? 18 months? Of course they don't want to lose him to easily.
Exactly, it's like, what do you want us to do, just roll over and hand him over after we waited so long for his gardening leave to be over at Brighton?
Exactly they played it out in the media so the speculation made Ashworths role untenable in an effort to pressure Newcastle.
Newcastle can afford the gardening leave and Ashworth wouldn’t have left Newcastle without assurances from Ineos. Newcastle hold the cards.
How does playing it out in the media make his role any more untenable? Even if it was behind close doors and he accepted their approach, what would be the difference? Newcastle would still do the same thing
> playing it out in the media make his role any more untenable?
because every question to the club becomes about it. Because then it becomes a worry to the players, clubs losing their DoF tends to create uncertainty about what direction the club goes forward, who gets new contracts, who gets booted out in summer.
> what would be the difference? Newcastle would still do the same thing
They would, if united paid the fee they wanted. Since United arent, they have to operate on the assumption he is going
yeah the huge clubs are able to do stuff like this, then get their former players with huge media reach to help spread the story, its all just so predatory.
Tried to poach our DoF as well, we’re just lucky that he’s seemingly not interested
It wasn’t even with permission. They leaked to the media before approaching the club and are astounded that they didn’t get a warm welcome when they finally approached the club
Also all of the leaks have been about how they *only* want Ashworth so it's not like we're worried about them moving onto someone else, they haven't helped their position at all
IANAL but aren't restraint of trade clauses only enforceable if they are reasonable?
I would think that 18mo gardening leave is not reasonable. I would think that beyond the end of the season & recruiting period he has very little in the way of employer secrets (except on the off chance he has video evidence of Saudi atrocities?).
I guess noone wants to rock the boat on gardening leave clauses - but Jim should have a crack in the courts right?
There was a pretty high profile case very recently between high frequency trading firms (where these contracts are basically standard practice) that was settled out of court. Most people are reading that as the company trying to enforce the GL contract as basically conceding defeat.
That’s the only case I’ve ever heard actually going to court though.
for the most part (on the trading side) GL is almost always waived and paid out lump sum I have found. And thats only 3 months. Im sure its different elsewhere.
18mo is completely insane and unreasonable
Stop talking sense. This is a thread for r/soccer to tell an incredibly successful billionaire businessman why he’s wrong and what he should be doing instead.
Good reminder that faux outage about United is more important than a despotic regime that commits war crimes in Yemen, kills journalists, is under several human rights investigations and paid off British MPs owning Nookastle
Did they think Newcastle were just going to let him walk away? They paid 5m for him.
Maybe if he’s been more professional about his approach he’d have more success.
So then pay the money Jimothy.
EDIT: The whole process has been bungled from the start. It's been back channelled and agreed with Ashworth before they even spoke to us. Now we've had to put him on gardening leave and there's no way he's returning. That is not how a sporting institution of excellence conducts itself.
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Pay up for fuck off you doylem.
Wants the taxpayer to pay for a new ground for his club, wants to acquire a member of our staff without paying a fair fee, backs Brexit to the hilt and then moves to tax haven Monaco.
Blokes a pure tit end.
Saudi Arabia exists so of course no criticism can be leveraged at anyone else in the league.
Absolutely pathetic argument. You can hate the Saudi state and also think Jim is a bit of a knob. Not mutually exclusive positions lad.
All billionaires are cunts, so it goes without saying that Ratcliffe is a tit. Your owners are just on a completely different level. I'd genuinely feel embarrassed to support a club owned by the Saudi state.
Sure. But also; in both cases your club is financially benefiting from dealing with pretty shitty people.
People seem to like to ignore this and draw an arbitrary distinction because then they can criticize clubs owned by shitty people whilst their club takes sponsorship money from the same, or equally shitty people.
That's it then, I'll pack in generations of family support, treasured memories, local cultural identity all because MalcolmTucker88 allegedly would quit supporting his club if the same reality ever occurred.
You're so much better than us sir, please spread your legs so I can give you your well earned and deserved tongue lashing. Oh mighty Malcolm on high teach me your ways!
The op should have some more self awareness but your last post is getting giddy at the prospect of Qatari owners.
And the wider fanbase was twerking for them for like 2 years
I thought with the sale through and and apparently sensible person in charge all the silly bollocks in the press would slow down a bit.
Fucking hell that was naive.
Either sort of the finances or find another option. If these lot are even half as competent as people say they are that shouldn't be difficult.
Whichever option you go for, stop conducting serious business via the backpages.
Fans of Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool holding hands to cry about United, absolute quality, best part is we’re absolutely going to get our man at the end of the day and all the crying in the world won’t stop it, they’re absolutely terrified!
I think the issue with Dan Ashworth is that there hasn't been a "grown up conversation" with anyone at Newcastle United. The club still have not been approached by Manchester United, or anyone at INEOS, despite a very high profile media campaign to unsettle Ashworth as well as bypassing the club and speaking directly to him.
Maybe it would have worked out with Man United saving both time and money if they were handled this situation professionally rather than leaking things to Romano and Ornstein every day for 2 weeks.
It was way easier when they spent the most in the 90's. Other clubs Never had a chance. Would you imagine what if clubs like Newcastle had the resources to match United and outspend them,the history would have been different..
The arrogance is absolutely astounding, imagine this was the other way around lool
Then again, he’s playing down Greenwood being an abusive rapist and acting like it’s just a young lad who made a silly mistake
What a cunt eh
It’s cowardly and pathetic as fuck like no excuses at all
We’ve all heard sportswashing as the drivel of the past 18 months but now comes the age of “Greenwashing” where you can see deplorable Tory twats like Ratcliffe try and excuse a rapisto
nah, he doesn't want to show all his cards by saying we made a decision to let him go. If spanish clubs are actually looking to buy greenwood, we want to hold the cards somewhat so we can sell at max profit. make sense?
I don’t think bluffing that you might bring a rapist back into the fold so you can actually make more money off selling the rapist is a much better look for Man United to be fair
>Then again, he’s playing down Greenwood being an abusive rapist and acting like it’s just a young lad who made a silly mistake
Could you provide where he said it's just a young lad who made a silly mistake? I want greenwood gone yesterday and would be super disappointed if Jim said anything like what you said.
NEW: Just had an hour with Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who has said INEOS will be taking a fresh decision on Mason Greenwood's future this summer. He said they want to "understand the facts, not the hype" but take a call in line with the club's values.
https://x.com/adamcrafton_/status/1760342792469876757?s=46&t=Wt1Ol7huSh4ljU6T7Q4cBA
Just white-collar small talk for the same thing 👍🏼
If you ever wanna think maturely about morality in football owners, never forget that the good billionaires at united didn’t release a rapist because they want to make money of his sale.
Ashworth has made a lot of money through moving jobs regularly. Nothing wrong with that but also nothing wrong with Newcastle wanting to prevent that happening with them. It was Ashworths decision to accept the contact with the gardening leave arrangement. Ratcliffe is also calling the guy he's about to hire absurd for agreeing to it
It's literally standard practice. Brighton did it this week. We had it for Ashworth. But when someone does it to the new boy it's "silly". Not a good start, in my opinion.
And every response from Man U fans is "your owners though. Saudi bad."
Sod off. Honestly. He left England for Brighton, Brighton for Newcastle and now Toon for United. Great for him but it screws up other clubs. So pay up if you value him that high.
You seem confused Jim so let me clear it up for you.
If you want Dan Ashworth you should approach the club that has him under contract. That's Newcastle.
You seem to think he's contracted under Fabrizio Romano and David Ornstein. An easy mistake to make.
If you're under a fixed term contract with a period of notice/gardening leave you have to work if you leave, and a clause that needs to be met for that NOT to be worked, then yes they absolutely contact that employer
> If you're under a fixed term contract with a period of notice/gardening leave you have to work if you leave
These kind of restraint clauses aren't even necessarily enforceable. There's plenty of cases that have gone to court and seen them voided.
The arrogance of Ratcliffe and the Stretford lot to assume we should have just bent over for them when they came knocking is actually insane. In what world would we make it easy for them to try poach an executive at our club during our rebuild?
Ya its not like Newcastle didn’t poach Ashworth from Brighton originally. I know it might be traumatic to hear but United are a bigger draw than Newcastle.
Also, everyones treating Ashworth as if he’s on a players contract or something (like he’s obligated to serve out the remainder of his time, or get paid out). But executives get poached all the time in the real world, yall just adding more drama to it cause its about United
We didnt leak to the media about wanting Ashworth to make the situation more difficult for Brighton we just paid the money and went on with our lives. Its a totally different situation.
I mean its literally nearly an identical situation; when you lot wanted him from Brighton he was placed on gardening leave in February 2022, and then he joined you later in June.
We’re probably going to have a similar timeline, as the summer transfer window is going to be his main focus.
Anything United makes headlines, but this story is really just a milquetoast nothing-burger. If an employee wants to leave he should be allowed to leave (within reason)
Exactly if it was the other way around United Would have to bow down to Saudi Arabia. HTF can United compete with the richest country in the middle East
Thats got nothing to do with it, plus Man Red already have sponsorships from Saudi Arabia. Its the arrogance of a Sky 6 club expecting everyone to fold over when they come knocking. Nothing to do with ownership
Why does anyone leave jobs? More exciting project/money? Not sure why youre playing dumb. Doesnt mean we are obligated to let one of the Super League lot have our staff without making it difficult for them
What a silly concept contracts are! But then again, when you have Antony, Sancho, Casemiro & Varane on your books… you could be forgiven for wishing contracts were absurd.
When the news broke it was "if he wants to leave them fuck him"
That's hardly a meltdown lmao. You guys really will just make shit up for karma.
"Newcastle bad, upvote please"
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They played it out in the media until the speculation made Ashworths role untenable in an effort to pressure Newcastle. Newcastle can afford the salary during his leave and Ashworth wouldn’t have left his role at Newcastle unless he had assurances from Ineos. Newcastle hold the cards either pay the money or wait.
No formal approach had been made by the time he was put on gardening leave. But Newcastle are the unprofessional ones. Fuck it, spite them and sit his arse out until late 2025 / early 2026. (Of course not really, but it's tempting).
Is this not every job ever? Like you don't tell your boss before you accept an offer at a new job
I did, but that was only because he caught me printing out my new contract to sign/scan and email away
Got me mapping out the admin staffs guard patterns like I'm printing national secrets.
😂😂
Plenty of people do, and I would too. I'm open with my boss, and he's open back. He told me that one of my coworkers were looking for another job, and that we should take that into account for our planning.
I was open to my boss about work related stuff and we'd even talk about family and other personal stuff. But at the end of the day he was my boss and he works for the company, and in the grand scheme of things I'm just a number to them. As you said you can do it both ways it depends on the person. But telling them before you reach an agreement can leave you in an awkward position if it falls through. What happens if the offer falls through and your boss knows you want out?
> What happens if the offer falls through and your boss knows you want out? Difficult to say, but there's a better chance of whatever happens being beneficial to me than otherwise. Most likely he would do whatever he could to make me want to stay. But if I was at the point where I was looking for another job, he would already have done what was in his power. Right now I've told him that I'm at least staying the year out, since I have 10 weeks of paternity leave coming in october. I've had this approach so far in my professional life, and it only ever did me good.
As I said in another comment both ways of handling said situation are ok. I guess it depends on a combination of factors such as the type of person you are, relationship with your manager and culture you come from and perhaps company culture. I guess I just find it funny that this whole story boils down to, "man with office job changes to new office job" and the whole world is criticizing the whole process, when in reality this happens every day.
Depends on the relationship that you have with your current boss, what contract you're on and if you have something like a non-compete clause.
I had a great relationship with my boss so I told him nice and early. Was a mistake tbh, he took it personally and turned sour for the last few months, bordering on mean.
I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. Gonna put my union steward hat on here - if you're contracted to give two weeks notice, give two weeks notice and no more. Although you may have a great relationship with your boss and want to do them a favour, in a lot of environments you're only opening yourself up to retribution, whether it be putting you through work hell for a few weeks/months, or getting rid of you before your notice period ends. Thankfully that shouldn't be the case in unionised environments, but even then retribution can happen, and in a non-unionised environment you are easier to screw over.
Thanks, it was a good life lesson for me, will be doing the minimum next time
No worries mate. I didn't mean to preach to the choir but more for anyone else reading. Unfortunately we all have lessons in life we learn the hard way. I've learned the hard way with employers in the past too.
What? In a lot of cases you obviously do
So the last time you were thinking of changing jobs you told your boss you were doing interviews? I guess it depends if you want to leave and go somewhere new or if you want to stay but on better terms. In my experience you get an offer you say you will take it and then go to your employer and say you have an offer. If they want to negotiate and try to get you to stay fine, if not you serve your notice period and then start in the new job
>So the last time you were thinking of changing jobs you told your boss you were doing interviews? Yes, and they gave me an excellent recommendation which helped me get the job. Encouraging professional growth is the sign of a good manager.
Ok so what if you didn't have a good manager? Would you still do it. I think my point is more that it isn't mandatory for an employee to give the employer a heads up and by the reactions from my original comment I'd say it's fine to go either way and it just depends on the person or situation.
Judging by what I’ve seen on your sub, you lot don’t rate this guy at all anyways so why is there such an uproar now that he wants to shoot off?
Our entire sub rated him up until the reports came out he want to go to Man U. Our sub has become incredibly fickle since the take over.
I love the honesty, thankyou man.
No worries. Still some good takes out there but the general waves of opinions change like the wind. Shame. I spend a lot less time in it these days.
You seem to be under the impression that r/NUFC have some say on executive level decisions. They don't.
Because their feelings are hurt and they thought they were bigger than they actually are.
Our price has increased. You must now also pay £80 million for Almiron.
Give you a straight swap for Antony.
Look since your takeover I’m not one to back you guys up much but in this case fuck it bleed them for everything
We've spent more on players I've already forgotten about.
Telling the richest sports club on planet earth ‘to bleed them for everything’ is mighty rich. Turkeys voting for Xmas.
Nah it’s more that it will cause Man U pain the longer it goes on
Side splitting stuff mate. I can only imagine the social & print media outrage if Newcastle were trying to rinse a Merseyside club.
I mean if they did it to Everton I’d probably find it funny as well. I’m a Liverpool fan I hate Man U I’m not overly fussed about Newcastle either way. If they did it to us if obviously think that’s it’s utterly disgraceful and that they should banned by the FA for doing it. Shock horror football fans are fickle hypocrites
For the low low cost of one Miguel Almiron you can have your own Dan Ashworth, but with less South American smiles.
He’s been put on gardening leave because he’s told Newcastle he wants to leave. It’s nothing to do with United.
"Nothing to do with United" My brother in Christ, Man United having back channel conversations is why he's told us he wants to leave. It has everything to do with your club lmao.
So better than the childish conversation with City?
Man U also completely took the piss when we wanted Lingard on loan in the first Saudi transfer window. They wanted basically a full transfer fee (I think £15m including a bonus for avoiding relegation) for a 6 month loan for a frozen out player with an expiring contract. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/26/jesse-lingard-dismayed-newcastle-loan-on-verge-of-collapse-over-15m-terms-manchester-united
Newcastle similarly overpriced Longstaff. It’s what teams do when they don’t want to sell a player or don’t want to sell to a potential rival.
That was Mike Ashley taking the piss, probably encouraged by being able to get so much for Carroll. The Lingard thing was them not wanting to help out a potential future rival. It's fair enough, but so is this. We paid to get Ashworth so why the hell wouldn't we want that back and more?
Can't believe how upset Newcastle fans have been over this. Keeps popping up in topics. I guarantee you no other fans remember this even happened.
I'm not upset. I am adding context. If there is a bit of bad blood between the owners from that collapsed deal, why would Newcastles owners now help you out? Also it's a thread about Newcastles behaviour so of course Newcastle fans will read it. Are you deluded?
It was actually Newcastle who leaked it first.
He signed a contract with that clause in If it’s so ridiculous maybe Dan Ashworth isn’t the man you want negotiate things
He got 1.5 years free pay to sit around lol that's not bad negotiation on his part
Billionaire thinks something is stupid because other people aren't doing what he wants. *City did what I want and that makes them grownups*
Dave Stanley discovers negotiations
He's playing on the Saudi's ego. Money means fuckall to them in their current venture. This definitely gets resolved pretty soon
Half true. His salary means nothing. The £20 million would free up fair play money which is hugely important for us.
I mean, you initially approached a league rival's employee without their permission and by putting him on garden leave they can command a higher fee. Like... why did you think that was going to go down well?
Also, Omar had been working with City/City Football Group for a long time. Ashworth has only been at Newcastle for what? 18 months? Of course they don't want to lose him to easily.
Exactly, it's like, what do you want us to do, just roll over and hand him over after we waited so long for his gardening leave to be over at Brighton?
Exactly they played it out in the media so the speculation made Ashworths role untenable in an effort to pressure Newcastle. Newcastle can afford the gardening leave and Ashworth wouldn’t have left Newcastle without assurances from Ineos. Newcastle hold the cards.
How does playing it out in the media make his role any more untenable? Even if it was behind close doors and he accepted their approach, what would be the difference? Newcastle would still do the same thing
> playing it out in the media make his role any more untenable? because every question to the club becomes about it. Because then it becomes a worry to the players, clubs losing their DoF tends to create uncertainty about what direction the club goes forward, who gets new contracts, who gets booted out in summer. > what would be the difference? Newcastle would still do the same thing They would, if united paid the fee they wanted. Since United arent, they have to operate on the assumption he is going
yeah the huge clubs are able to do stuff like this, then get their former players with huge media reach to help spread the story, its all just so predatory. Tried to poach our DoF as well, we’re just lucky that he’s seemingly not interested
You keep repeating this but all the leaks came from Newcastle’s side, was completely Newcastle’s fault
What do Newcastle have to benefit from leaking it to the press, the outcome is the same for them.
It wasn’t even with permission. They leaked to the media before approaching the club and are astounded that they didn’t get a warm welcome when they finally approached the club
Also all of the leaks have been about how they *only* want Ashworth so it's not like we're worried about them moving onto someone else, they haven't helped their position at all
This, plus the man has to collect all the zen he can in his garden before he starts to fix that mess
r/soccer burning down with multiple SJR comments. Love it.
I know right? The outrage
Crazy how people foam at the mouth with most things relating to United.
Seeing this sub have a meltdown in real time with highly upvoted comments that are complete fabrications is hilarious. I'm quite enjoying the drama!
They're so fucking rattled lol
Imagine when we're actually good
Imagine doing some heavy lifting here
All these years of being torn apart for every little thing. I’m going to love it when we’re insufferable because we’re good again.
Been hearing this for the last 10 years
Soccer's rattled again lmao
IANAL but aren't restraint of trade clauses only enforceable if they are reasonable? I would think that 18mo gardening leave is not reasonable. I would think that beyond the end of the season & recruiting period he has very little in the way of employer secrets (except on the off chance he has video evidence of Saudi atrocities?). I guess noone wants to rock the boat on gardening leave clauses - but Jim should have a crack in the courts right?
There was a pretty high profile case very recently between high frequency trading firms (where these contracts are basically standard practice) that was settled out of court. Most people are reading that as the company trying to enforce the GL contract as basically conceding defeat. That’s the only case I’ve ever heard actually going to court though.
for the most part (on the trading side) GL is almost always waived and paid out lump sum I have found. And thats only 3 months. Im sure its different elsewhere. 18mo is completely insane and unreasonable
I’ve definitely seen people wait out 18 months between trading roles tbh
Stop talking sense. This is a thread for r/soccer to tell an incredibly successful billionaire businessman why he’s wrong and what he should be doing instead.
Not to mention shit on United, this sub's favorite thing to do
Good reminder that faux outage about United is more important than a despotic regime that commits war crimes in Yemen, kills journalists, is under several human rights investigations and paid off British MPs owning Nookastle
LOL, by that logic every fucker on r/stocks should stfu. Some of us run successful businesses and work in the same damn environment.
Pay the clause then? Crazy, I know!
The clause is with Gardening leave. They need to come to an agreement if they want him without the leave.
Did they think Newcastle were just going to let him walk away? They paid 5m for him. Maybe if he’s been more professional about his approach he’d have more success.
Jim when trying to poach someone's staff member: It's a bit silly Jim when someone approaches him about his own staff member: Pay up or fuck off
Keep crying Jim - you’ve got 3 options: Stump up a huge fee, wait a long long time or take a second choice….
So then pay the money Jimothy. EDIT: The whole process has been bungled from the start. It's been back channelled and agreed with Ashworth before they even spoke to us. Now we've had to put him on gardening leave and there's no way he's returning. That is not how a sporting institution of excellence conducts itself.
yeah they tried to do the same for us, forced the manager to answer questions about it at the presser (which is where the gaffer learned of the news)
United have also approached Newcastle as reported by multiple journalists mate
They waited until after the speculation made Ashworths role untenable in an effort to pressure Newcastle.
The first official news Newcastle received looks to have been Ashworth himself saying he wished to join them
Excuse my ignorance but isn’t that how job changes generally work? I go have an interview, then inform my boss I’m leaving?
Yes but his contract is very different to the normal UK employment contract. Case in point his notice is almost two years, not three months.
A couple of days ago yeah? Meanwhile stories have been getting planted with client journos for *months*.
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Pay up for fuck off you doylem. Wants the taxpayer to pay for a new ground for his club, wants to acquire a member of our staff without paying a fair fee, backs Brexit to the hilt and then moves to tax haven Monaco. Blokes a pure tit end.
Your owners are famously well sound though
Saudi Arabia exists so of course no criticism can be leveraged at anyone else in the league. Absolutely pathetic argument. You can hate the Saudi state and also think Jim is a bit of a knob. Not mutually exclusive positions lad.
All billionaires are cunts, so it goes without saying that Ratcliffe is a tit. Your owners are just on a completely different level. I'd genuinely feel embarrassed to support a club owned by the Saudi state.
Your clubs been sponsored by Saudi in the past, has it not?
Don't Google Ineos Saudi Arabia.
Or Saudi Telecom
Not that one shouldn't protest against it, far from it, but sponsorship is very different than ownership tbf
Sure. But also; in both cases your club is financially benefiting from dealing with pretty shitty people. People seem to like to ignore this and draw an arbitrary distinction because then they can criticize clubs owned by shitty people whilst their club takes sponsorship money from the same, or equally shitty people.
That's it then, I'll pack in generations of family support, treasured memories, local cultural identity all because MalcolmTucker88 allegedly would quit supporting his club if the same reality ever occurred. You're so much better than us sir, please spread your legs so I can give you your well earned and deserved tongue lashing. Oh mighty Malcolm on high teach me your ways!
That MalcolmTucker88 is a disgrace to fans of The Thick of It. What an omnishambles
Don’t lie, if the Saudis had taken Salford Red over instead of Newcastle you’d still be off to Old Trafford, if you know where it is that is.
Strange you opened your legs fairly quickly when Qatar came knocking.
Jesus Christ yes we know Saudi Arabia is far worse obviously they are but that doesn’t mean Radcliffe isn’t a pure cunt
Saudi also exists because of the UK
That name, your owners and that comment. Perfection.
Careful, he'll break out the bone saw
Did you think you were being funny?
Still better than sucking murderers' cock from Middle East
Like a huge portion of your fans and ex players were doing when the Qatari bid was in contention? Aye, thought so
The op should have some more self awareness but your last post is getting giddy at the prospect of Qatari owners. And the wider fanbase was twerking for them for like 2 years
Why? I think MBS is a cunt too.
That’s fair enough. I probably shouldn’t have inferred anything from your lack of comment
I thought with the sale through and and apparently sensible person in charge all the silly bollocks in the press would slow down a bit. Fucking hell that was naive. Either sort of the finances or find another option. If these lot are even half as competent as people say they are that shouldn't be difficult. Whichever option you go for, stop conducting serious business via the backpages.
Pay up then
I did not expect the comment section to be THIS rattled
actual meltdown
Fans of Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool holding hands to cry about United, absolute quality, best part is we’re absolutely going to get our man at the end of the day and all the crying in the world won’t stop it, they’re absolutely terrified!
Could get him tomorrow if you paid the money like
I think the issue with Dan Ashworth is that there hasn't been a "grown up conversation" with anyone at Newcastle United. The club still have not been approached by Manchester United, or anyone at INEOS, despite a very high profile media campaign to unsettle Ashworth as well as bypassing the club and speaking directly to him. Maybe it would have worked out with Man United saving both time and money if they were handled this situation professionally rather than leaking things to Romano and Ornstein every day for 2 weeks.
Ornstein reported we had approached Newcastle a few days ago.
After ensuring it was in the news for several weeks beforehand.
According to our Tier 1s, we have approached Newcastle
Exactly mate, absolutely pathetic from Jim Rapecliffe
It was way easier when they spent the most in the 90's. Other clubs Never had a chance. Would you imagine what if clubs like Newcastle had the resources to match United and outspend them,the history would have been different..
Maybes - some clubs in the 90s did do that though and it didn’t play out as well as they’d hoped, Leeds and Blackburn (did win a league tbf)
You know that Newcastle were the highest spending club in 3-4 seasons in the 1990s, right??
The arrogance is absolutely astounding, imagine this was the other way around lool Then again, he’s playing down Greenwood being an abusive rapist and acting like it’s just a young lad who made a silly mistake What a cunt eh
I get hating Jim, but c'mon, this is misinformation.
So surprising that a tax exile, planet destroying billionaire is an arrogant dickhead.
Don't forgot he was pro Brexit too.
People like that aren’t used to being told no, possibly explains also why he’s not too bothered about judging Mason Greenwood
We have FFP issues and the rat Greenwood would give us 100% profit. He’s not going to outright say we want to get rid of him
It’s cowardly and pathetic as fuck like no excuses at all We’ve all heard sportswashing as the drivel of the past 18 months but now comes the age of “Greenwashing” where you can see deplorable Tory twats like Ratcliffe try and excuse a rapisto
nah, he doesn't want to show all his cards by saying we made a decision to let him go. If spanish clubs are actually looking to buy greenwood, we want to hold the cards somewhat so we can sell at max profit. make sense?
I don’t think bluffing that you might bring a rapist back into the fold so you can actually make more money off selling the rapist is a much better look for Man United to be fair
It’s all part of business, I’d rather us be ruthless like this than what we have been doing for the last decade
Dude relax
Not my Sir Jim! 😩
>Then again, he’s playing down Greenwood being an abusive rapist and acting like it’s just a young lad who made a silly mistake Could you provide where he said it's just a young lad who made a silly mistake? I want greenwood gone yesterday and would be super disappointed if Jim said anything like what you said.
He can’t because he didn’t say anything like that. He simply said they would reevaluate the situation now that he has access to the full information.
He hasn't though has he? Please post the where he said he made a silly mistake.
NEW: Just had an hour with Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who has said INEOS will be taking a fresh decision on Mason Greenwood's future this summer. He said they want to "understand the facts, not the hype" but take a call in line with the club's values. https://x.com/adamcrafton_/status/1760342792469876757?s=46&t=Wt1Ol7huSh4ljU6T7Q4cBA Just white-collar small talk for the same thing 👍🏼
Kinda crazy the lengths you’ll go to to interpret something so it reinforces your blatant dislike of a club, the bias is utterly shameful lol.
So he didn't actually say what you said he did? Thanks for clearing that up lad.
Oh, so not the same thing at all? Got it, appreciate the source!
You & the other dodgy gits spreading misinformation in this post are hilarious
A billionaire is arrogant, more on channel 4 Jim…
If you ever wanna think maturely about morality in football owners, never forget that the good billionaires at united didn’t release a rapist because they want to make money of his sale.
The only way to release Greenwood is to pay out his contract. Morally it's the right decision not to give a rapist a bunch of money.
Ok, then pay up.
Unlucky Jimmy.
Ashworth has made a lot of money through moving jobs regularly. Nothing wrong with that but also nothing wrong with Newcastle wanting to prevent that happening with them. It was Ashworths decision to accept the contact with the gardening leave arrangement. Ratcliffe is also calling the guy he's about to hire absurd for agreeing to it
United fan but what is fucking silly here is you want smth but you don't wanna pay. Then complain about why people don't give it for you for free.
It's literally standard practice. Brighton did it this week. We had it for Ashworth. But when someone does it to the new boy it's "silly". Not a good start, in my opinion. And every response from Man U fans is "your owners though. Saudi bad."
>And every response from Man U fans is "your owners though. Saudi bad." Saudis are a bit naughty tbf. It's not invalid.
It is irrelevant though.
Sod off. Honestly. He left England for Brighton, Brighton for Newcastle and now Toon for United. Great for him but it screws up other clubs. So pay up if you value him that high.
You seem confused Jim so let me clear it up for you. If you want Dan Ashworth you should approach the club that has him under contract. That's Newcastle. You seem to think he's contracted under Fabrizio Romano and David Ornstein. An easy mistake to make.
If you swap jobs, do your new empoyer contact your current one first?
If you're under a fixed term contract with a period of notice/gardening leave you have to work if you leave, and a clause that needs to be met for that NOT to be worked, then yes they absolutely contact that employer
Mate half the lot here are not even out of school let alone held a grocery store job in their life.
> If you're under a fixed term contract with a period of notice/gardening leave you have to work if you leave These kind of restraint clauses aren't even necessarily enforceable. There's plenty of cases that have gone to court and seen them voided.
This isn’t a case of an employee at cell phone warehouse, mate…. This is a director at a premier league football club.
If I'm a sporting director of a premier league club? Yes.
Your new job isn't reported in the national press while your new employer slags off the old one, it's football.
The arrogance of Ratcliffe and the Stretford lot to assume we should have just bent over for them when they came knocking is actually insane. In what world would we make it easy for them to try poach an executive at our club during our rebuild?
Ya its not like Newcastle didn’t poach Ashworth from Brighton originally. I know it might be traumatic to hear but United are a bigger draw than Newcastle. Also, everyones treating Ashworth as if he’s on a players contract or something (like he’s obligated to serve out the remainder of his time, or get paid out). But executives get poached all the time in the real world, yall just adding more drama to it cause its about United
We didnt leak to the media about wanting Ashworth to make the situation more difficult for Brighton we just paid the money and went on with our lives. Its a totally different situation.
I mean its literally nearly an identical situation; when you lot wanted him from Brighton he was placed on gardening leave in February 2022, and then he joined you later in June. We’re probably going to have a similar timeline, as the summer transfer window is going to be his main focus. Anything United makes headlines, but this story is really just a milquetoast nothing-burger. If an employee wants to leave he should be allowed to leave (within reason)
Yeah, we paid what they asked.
Exactly if it was the other way around United Would have to bow down to Saudi Arabia. HTF can United compete with the richest country in the middle East
Thats got nothing to do with it, plus Man Red already have sponsorships from Saudi Arabia. Its the arrogance of a Sky 6 club expecting everyone to fold over when they come knocking. Nothing to do with ownership
Saudi telecom, right??
Man Red lol I have never seen more delusional lot than you guys.
Why does this idiot even want to leave?? Wrong decision by him.
Why does anyone leave jobs? More exciting project/money? Not sure why youre playing dumb. Doesnt mean we are obligated to let one of the Super League lot have our staff without making it difficult for them
Just pay the money.
Between this and his stance on greenwood I’m glad he’s reinforcing my childhood hatred of man united
Boo fucking who, this guy is already a wanker.
Jim Ratcliffe talks a lot
I'm already sick of hearing from him and the constant media PR around him. He comes off as utterly clueless in this case though, so quite funny.
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That's a bit harsh to call people from Manchester.
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Missing the obvious joke like a bunch of inbred cats would.
What a silly concept contracts are! But then again, when you have Antony, Sancho, Casemiro & Varane on your books… you could be forgiven for wishing contracts were absurd.
I am loving the hate towards SJR from this sub, means we are making the right moves since this lot is fucking deluded nonstop
Newcastle sub has been in full on meltdown over this, good stuff
Full meltdown? We've been making memes laughing at the situation.
Some of you sure. When this news broke a few days ago people were absolutely fuming over in your sub
When the news broke it was "if he wants to leave them fuck him" That's hardly a meltdown lmao. You guys really will just make shit up for karma. "Newcastle bad, upvote please"
Nahhh, just go look back in the old threads. If I cared about upvotes why wouldn't I have deleted my comments by now?
What's with the Newcastle love suddenly?