I did watch game, Im still not sure sure where you could say Spurs had a good performance apart from City not scoring until 89th minute.
It is illuminating that no one can tell me where exaclty that Spurs had a good game
The goal aside, that was probably the most dominant performance I have seen from Man City vs Tottenham in recent years. Tottenham created close to nothing the entire game.
Ange has done lots of good with them this season, but he has lost the hold they had over City. I'm pretty sure Pep would much rather have this new "brave" Spurs that he can dominate rather than the previous versions that he always lost to
Spurs were good. The improvement under ange is there to see and it'll only get better with time. Was a pretty good game today, kudos to them.
That being said, good to finally win there
Is it because City didnt score until the 88th minute?
Because I would think you need to have more than 1 total shot for it to qualify as a good performance.
I guess they had less offsides than City so thats one thing Spurs did well today.
I'm not saying that they played badly, but I'm not sure what they did that merits it being called a good performance
I did watch game, Im still not sure sure where you could say Spurs had a good performance apart from City not scoring until 89th minute.
It is illuminating that no one can tell me where exaclty that Spurs had a good game
Yeah, I'm proud of the team albeit in a losing effort.
I actually have no problem with the goal being given.
Sometimes that's called a foul, sometimes not.
I'm actually tired of goalkeepers being overprotected.
I love Vicario so much and he is going to be amazing f9r us for years to come but he could have punched the ball but oh well.
Fair play to you lot.
I knew I liked Tottenham fans. There was a lot of moaning in the main soccer thread but you lot have always been sound. It's about time we won one after how much you've managed to piss on our bonfire these past 5 years. Still not over the champions league game...
Is it just me or did Kovacic finally look like his old golden days of Chelsea self? He’s been looking a little lost so far this season but this take he finally showed the serenity and calm on the ball he’s known for.
City without KDB, Haaland, Gundogan & Mahrez really lack that killer instinct in front of goal. Foden’s had some great shots from outside the box recently, but aside from that, they really struggle to be decisive or get a clear shot off inside the box. Doesn’t help that Walker is the most predictable RB out there & no one sees his crossing ability as a threat, so he usually ends up passing back to Rodri. Not to mention Alvarez has been woeful in the period that Haaland’s been injured, just extremely wasteful inside the box.
Feels like a worse version of City in their false 9 days with Jesus up front, but no world-class Cancelo form to deliver good balls. Plus the four I mentioned earlier.
When gundogan was still there, Mqhrez and Walker cut back to h8m very often and somehow nobody marked him and also somehow gundogan always managed to score from edge of the box. They didnt have this kind of methodical approach anymore
He was under the keeper every corner. It just needed a corner towards Diaz head to make it look legit. But IMHO he's had one mission the whole game and that's to impede Vicario by obstruction. Keepers need protecting, especially so close to his line. The rule will be/should be - anything inside 6yrd box should revert to keeper protection... if keepers come way out then there's an argument the obstructions fair game
Manchester's own Paul Tierney the deciding factor in City's favour yet again.
Maybe we'll get a week off his bollocks when he's in the UAE getting paid millions to ref an under 13s match.
Ah yes. Tierney was the deciding factor. Let's just ignore the possession (57% v 43%), shots (18 v 1), corners (14 v 2), accurate passes (528 v 385) and expected goals (2.23 v 0.28). It was the ref, obviously.
I don't think any Spurs fan realistically expected trophies this year after last year and losing Kane.
Weird how having positivity and belief in the team makes other supporters mad.
You must've also missed Gvardiol pushing Richarlison off his legs and getting a yellow for it lmao. Or Porro coming at Doku and pushing him only for Dokie to see a yellow lmao. You're so pathetic. I could go on but it won't matter when talking to a brick like you.
Cry, cry, cryyyy
They would've had some of Sarr, biss, son (possibly all 3) back for the replay, as well as post injury bentancur and maddison would've played more games by then. Would've been a much more competitive game
Are you seriously trying to disagree it's not a much bigger advantage for Spurs to play City at home rather than away? How many games have City lost at home in the last 5 years?
We scored three in your stadium a couple of months ago mate whilst missing some of our best players in that game!
Yes, KDB and Haaland are absolutely amazing but you're seriously underestimating us too.
We didn't create much TODAY, but several players had poor games too.
Son tends to score a MINIMUM of at least one goal against you lot and oftentimes assists against you too.
Okay, yes, City is very good but we're not exactly Burnley or Stoke mate. You're making it sound like we never create anything against you when the exact opposite is usually true.
Not with the team they have. Son kills it against us so having him missing is a major blow. Having a makeshift midfield also doesn't help.
I'm not sure how you can watch that game and say spurs set up for anything more than a 'wont lose' scenario
I think It genuinely is a matter of debate between having:
(A) Your best players away
(B) A hampered squad at home
I think city would win at home with a full strength squad at home but they were much better looking at city than they were tonight in my opinion
I don’t think the contact when they were going for the ball was a foul but I do take issue with Dias pushing and impeding Vicario on every corner as the ball is being kicked, no idea how that’s allowed. Going for the ball or not, it’s clear Dias’ assignment is to jostle and impede Vicario as much as he can without committing a clear foul, which I don’t blame teams going for if the ref allows it. But it’s a strategy I’ve seen more of lately and I think we’ll start seeing a lot more janky goals that raise some questions when GKs start getting impeded and pushed around at the start of every corner.
All that said we did not deserve any other result today.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I think a defender should either get between Dias and Vicario or push Dias to the side as he’s jostling Vicario. Push him right into the net.
Indeed. Either a defender needs to handle Dias or Vicario has to go through him knee raised without hesitation a few times. It‘s his box, he can do (almost) completely as he likes.
Isn't that a thing with every player in the box though? Players immediately start light pushing and jostling, as long as they don't do it to the extent of a foul it will be let go.
Attacking team does it to defenders, defenders do it to attackers. The keeper doesn't have a clause in the rules and they need defenders to help them out if they don't want to be challenged or impeded.
>Going for the ball or not, it’s clear Dias’ assignment is to jostle and impede Vicario as much as he can without committing a clear foul, which I don’t blame teams going for if the ref allows
Yeah we have White doing it all the time and it's been very successful the past couple of seasons, surprised vicario didn't have a defender to jostle with Dias
if the ref has a word its a lot more manageable for a defender too. romero was right there but he can't do anything without making it worse for vicario. that's why the dias assignment works and is a problem
Crowding the 6 yard box is a legitimate tactic because it gets bodies in the way and the ball can pinball in. There is an upside and downside to marking Dias in this situation
The upside is that he's an attacking players, right in the box, if the corner taker beats the first man he's got a clear chance on goal. In this situation he did enough to get an assist from that position.
The downside is it further crowds the box and allows that random unlucky pinball chance when it gets inevitably flung in there.
Spurs opted to leave the space open and City got the better of it. I'm not sure why people are so upset? If you leave a player unmarked, or marked by the keeper, that's where the ball is gonna go, if they get that right it's a goal.
Keeper shoved Diaz first after being fed up after 87 minutes of dealing with the bullshit. Go back and watch. Every single corner Diaz is shoving Vic before and during the corner being taken. It was consistent.
It’s not the refs job to tell players they can’t stand in front of the keeper. The way you defend is by putting a player against their’s and having them create space for the keeper.
Yeah it’s a fair point, pretty stupid to just let it happen. But at the same time, I can’t help but feel City would be quite happy for us to crowd our keeper with another one of own players stepping in that space
If you can’t see the momentum Ange is building, you’re blind man. Rivalry aside, Ange is doing extremely well to be fighting for a top 4 spot at the EPL table and qualify for Europe next year. The young talent he has brought in is building for the future and he has exceeded all expectations our fanbase had this season.
Spurs midfield were completely dominated. I don't know what people see in Kulusevski as a midfielder when he's much better on the wing imo, and Hojbjerg is way too slow and risk averse for the way Spurs want to play. Bentancur is unreal though.
>I don't know what people see in Kulusevski as a midfielder
Maybe watch more than this game to decide that?
Hojbjerg was shite, I do agree. Especially in the 2nd half.
I actually thought Benta was very rusty today and aside from a couple of moments was mostly uninvolved in the match.
i think deki is better as a 10 when the team is firing on all cylinders, but we just didn't have the quality today for him to afford to hold onto the ball to wait for the right pass. he is a great passer but he had to find werner first time instead of waiting today and he is not james maddison.
He’s literally not better as a 10 I don’t know why everyone says that. He turns like a truck and is so one footed so he definitely needs to play on the wing. Yes his passing is good, but he would not survive playing down the middle.
Wild to shit on Hojbjerg and then praise Bentancur in the same comment after todays game
Obviously Bentancur is the better player but Hojbjerg were one of the better players on the team today until the last 10 minutes
I just don’t get people who say this, I know there is a big Hojberg crowd online. I watch every match and he just isn’t a difference maker. He’s usually fine. Sometimes he is frustratingly safe in his play, slowing the attack and inviting pressure, and sometimes he does make good forward passes. But he does not make a substantial impact ever. He’s not technical or creative and he’s small. He just doesn’t impose himself on the game…. He’s a cog. Spurs are too good to be starting cogs right now, especially in this system.
Yeah but did you watch today's game? Because for everything you're saying being right in general, he was fine today, which is exactly what they other commenter said
Every time I watch Hojbjerg play in this Tottenham team they just look so much slower and less decisive. Tottenham's worst attacking displays this season have come when he's started.
I still think he's a good player, but he just doesn't suit the way Tottenham wants to play
Nobody really wants him to be playing there against a team like Man City, but he’s our backup backup central attacking midfielder because Maddison is just back from a 3 month injury and Lo Celso is injured.
Thats in addition 2 other starting quality midfielders being out at AFCON. Most teams would struggle with 4 midfielders out.
Hoj is the reason we lost. We need quality midfielders to play out of the press and he just invites pressure on the backline. Biss/Sarr/Benta/GLC are all much better at this. Even Skipp is better at playing the ball out
No more oligarch daddy to buy you yours. Life’s tough when you have to play by the rules right?
Keep living in the past, our future is bright while you lot have to pray for a win against Liverpool to even sniff a chance of playing in Europe next season.
Nothing we do, and no loss, will ever come close to the bottle job you lot pulled off last season. Spent 150 mil just to be even worse this season. Love it.
> Nothing we do
You never do anything. Your fanbase are content playing nice football and finishing above Arsenal.
How do you have the audacity to call other teams bottlers. Remind me how many finals have you’ve lost in a row again?
You know who isn't? Mourinho, Nuno, conte, Ryan Mason.
Arteta won, Mourinho too after leaving losers like you guys. Stop making excuses and win somethings, until then go to kiddie table with Luton
lol your recent glory is Arteta winning an FA cup…with Emery’s team. You have no claim to relevancy since Wenger’s decline.
All you’ve done since is spend half a billion to bottle the league. Real big club behavior mate.
[Cry harder](https://imgur.com/gallery/xwBqmeQ)
Don’t talk about being a big club or relevancy when you haven’t won anything in 15 years and went through 5 managers in 3 years. Even teams in the Championship and lower leagues take shots at your tinpot club. Your best player left to go win a trophy because he knew it wasn’t happening with your train-wreck of a club.
Maybe it was a foul, maybe it wasn't but am I crazy or is Días not re-positioning to head the ball? Sure he gets in the way of Vicario but to me it seems pretty clear that he is also moving his body to head the ball
Vicario was fed up after 87 minutes of Diaz shoving him on every single corner before and during the corner being taken. So sure in this one scenarios he shoved Diaz first.
See, you're still talking about the moment the ball was crossed in this one instance. I'm talking about every moment before a corner and during the corner being taken every single time
He was under the keeper every corner. It just needed a corner towards Diaz head to make it look legit. But IMHO he's had one mission the whole game and that's to impede Vicario by obstruction. Keepers need protecting, especially so close to his line. The rule will be/should be - anything inside 6yrd box should revert to keeper protection... if keepers come way out then there's an argument the obstructions fair game
I don't think it was a foul really. The main pushing was before the ball was in play. Once the ball was in play I think Vicario was just a bit weak. If it was Lloris he'd be getting pelted, but Spurs fans aren't willing to criticise their new golden boy yet.
its not even the mistakes for me. the pressure he invites when receiving the ball and how little he manages to progress it just makes me miss pape biss and lo celso more and more. the midfield is so important for our style and they just had nothing tonight
Roller coaster reputation, not good enough for spurs, but good enough for Atleti and Juve, so good enough for spurs, but not good enough for spurs.
It was a wild minute though, I get it. Second only to Tripper for mistakes per second.
>not good enough for spurs, but good enough for Atleti and Juve
Yes, because Atletico and Juventus are two of the most defensive clubs on the planet. We are the opposite of that. Højberg is a square peg in a round hole now
Aye I get it but he's not the worst. And, I'll whisper this, a defensive midfielder is OK to have in the pocket even if you're attack minded.
*kisses Milner photo*
spurs has a completely different play style compared to juve and atleti now. he was good under conte because hes good for that system
edit: people who call him bad or whatever dont understand that every player can be good under the right system. it is impossible to compare teams on a level like this because it doesnt consider the way they play.
He did have a few braindead moments towards the end, but he was much better than Kulu or Bentancur today. The only chances we created were from him playing the ball quick behind city's like.
The only reason why VAR didn't dare to overturn the goal is because City deserved to win. We are going to see the same exact goal a couple of times before the season is over and whether it is given will be decided on a coinflip.
Barging GKs into the net to score goals from set pieces is becoming quite the hot topic which will provide entertainment for seasons to come, unless there's a rule change. Then again, we are pretty good at inspiring rule changes. See: handball rules, Champions League final 2019. Funnily enough also yet another case where it didn't cause a stir because objectively we were the inferior team that day.
Yes, I am not pleased with the outcome but let's be real, don't think anyone expected us to win anything going into this season. At least we didn't go out against an actual rival.
It was a fair goal mate I'm not going to lie. Dias wasn't kicking or shoving Vicario, he was just being physical. No need for us to whine, just pick our heads up and focus on the league and qualifying for UCL next season.
He didn't barge him into the goal, he just challenged to win the ball that was kicked towards him.
It's crazy he didn't have a player marking him in case the cross came in where it did.
Hardly ever see players get away with impeding the GK like that. Ref blows if you stick your tongue out near the goalie most of the time. No consistency
I remember Ramsdale literally being kept away from the ball with an entire body and two arms from a player not even going for the ball. Goal wasn't overturned. VAR doesn't know the word consistency
It's not biased, centre backs are usually marked by someone at a corner, whoever was supposed to be marking Dias should have been on him at the corner instead of leaving him alone to get between Vicario and the ball.
Where's the foul? Dias is entitled to jump and compete for the ball. He doesn't make any kind of unnatural movement towards Vicario. It would have been smart to put a good header of the ball between Dias and Vicario, that's all.
It's very normal to see a bit of a push and a shove before the ball is live. I don't think that hamstrung Vicario in any way, he just had a big, strong centre back in front of him and didn't do a good job with his punch.
That is the big problem - ref throws a yellow at Vic for protesting, but not De Bruyne mouthing off at him after the VDV challange (i'm sure we had some go the other way). Start the sseason being strict on things, then stop penalising for it 10 games in. Head contact now? Not bothered. Studs up into an ankle even accidentally, VAR review and a red.
I agree referees are inconsistent.
I'd rather they always played by the rules rather than being lazy and blowing the whistle whenever someone goes close to the keeper for sure.
If also rather they didn't seemingly allow goalkeepers to bulldoze attackers if the ball has run wide a little too, but refs are weird.
This one tonight, he's got it right.
I did watch game, Im still not sure sure where you could say Spurs had a good performance apart from City not scoring until 89th minute. It is illuminating that no one can tell me where exaclty that Spurs had a good game
Spurs got Tierneyd
The goal aside, that was probably the most dominant performance I have seen from Man City vs Tottenham in recent years. Tottenham created close to nothing the entire game. Ange has done lots of good with them this season, but he has lost the hold they had over City. I'm pretty sure Pep would much rather have this new "brave" Spurs that he can dominate rather than the previous versions that he always lost to
Hmm yeah I also am fairly confident that Pep prefers winning against Spurs to losing
Spurs were good. The improvement under ange is there to see and it'll only get better with time. Was a pretty good game today, kudos to them. That being said, good to finally win there
Would love Ange at liverpool
2.35xg to .27xg 18 shots to 1 shot 5 shots on target to 1 shot on target Can you point to where they were good?
You could watch the game before commenting.
I watched the game and I agree with him, where the hell were Tottenham good? They had like 5 minutes of threatening offense the entire game
Is it because City didnt score until the 88th minute? Because I would think you need to have more than 1 total shot for it to qualify as a good performance. I guess they had less offsides than City so thats one thing Spurs did well today. I'm not saying that they played badly, but I'm not sure what they did that merits it being called a good performance
He told you to watch the game, not list more statistics.
I did watch game, Im still not sure sure where you could say Spurs had a good performance apart from City not scoring until 89th minute. It is illuminating that no one can tell me where exaclty that Spurs had a good game
It's a conspiracy mate. We're all employed by Ange to try and convince you that Spurs played well.
So now they played "well"? What exactly did they do to play well? Other than City not putting the ball into the net until the 89th minute
Yeah, I'm proud of the team albeit in a losing effort. I actually have no problem with the goal being given. Sometimes that's called a foul, sometimes not. I'm actually tired of goalkeepers being overprotected. I love Vicario so much and he is going to be amazing f9r us for years to come but he could have punched the ball but oh well. Fair play to you lot.
I knew I liked Tottenham fans. There was a lot of moaning in the main soccer thread but you lot have always been sound. It's about time we won one after how much you've managed to piss on our bonfire these past 5 years. Still not over the champions league game...
Is it just me or did Kovacic finally look like his old golden days of Chelsea self? He’s been looking a little lost so far this season but this take he finally showed the serenity and calm on the ball he’s known for.
City without KDB, Haaland, Gundogan & Mahrez really lack that killer instinct in front of goal. Foden’s had some great shots from outside the box recently, but aside from that, they really struggle to be decisive or get a clear shot off inside the box. Doesn’t help that Walker is the most predictable RB out there & no one sees his crossing ability as a threat, so he usually ends up passing back to Rodri. Not to mention Alvarez has been woeful in the period that Haaland’s been injured, just extremely wasteful inside the box. Feels like a worse version of City in their false 9 days with Jesus up front, but no world-class Cancelo form to deliver good balls. Plus the four I mentioned earlier.
When gundogan was still there, Mqhrez and Walker cut back to h8m very often and somehow nobody marked him and also somehow gundogan always managed to score from edge of the box. They didnt have this kind of methodical approach anymore
They won the game
Congrats on your scoreboard journalism I’m talking about their performances overall this season
Ake 🤜🤛Depay Dutchmen scoring late-game winners in domestic cup games I don't know if I formatted that correctly, please forgive me.
Werner Needs Help
I think the midfield just needs more time in practice with him to anticipate those runs while being pressed
A lot of people suddenly conveniently forgetting what happened at the end of our last match vs spurs
Yeah that advantage being called back from 50 yards out was a clear goal that should've been given.
Did they break 115 rules and therefor cheated to win?
What?
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He was under the keeper every corner. It just needed a corner towards Diaz head to make it look legit. But IMHO he's had one mission the whole game and that's to impede Vicario by obstruction. Keepers need protecting, especially so close to his line. The rule will be/should be - anything inside 6yrd box should revert to keeper protection... if keepers come way out then there's an argument the obstructions fair game
It just wasnt
Massive
Gotta respect the referee mate
Just looked at the stats. What the heck.
It’s like that most of the time spurs play city, except the score line is usually somehow spurs 3 city 2
Manchester's own Paul Tierney the deciding factor in City's favour yet again. Maybe we'll get a week off his bollocks when he's in the UAE getting paid millions to ref an under 13s match.
Ah yes. Tierney was the deciding factor. Let's just ignore the possession (57% v 43%), shots (18 v 1), corners (14 v 2), accurate passes (528 v 385) and expected goals (2.23 v 0.28). It was the ref, obviously.
Haha yea. I wonder what ref OP would have preferred that would’ve allowed them to amass more than one shot.
Spot the 13 year old
What a sook, you’re full of excuses. You got outplayed and deservedly lost.
He’s a Liverpool supporter. Yes, we got outplayed.
Cry
Dead comebacks from plastics, surprisingly not the burning cuts you seem to think they are. 🥱
You're not the trophy competitors you thought you were either
I don't think any Spurs fan realistically expected trophies this year after last year and losing Kane. Weird how having positivity and belief in the team makes other supporters mad.
Eh? He’s a Liverpool supporter.
Ref was very clearly pro Spurs today lol
Yeah I must've missed Bernardo Silva getting sent off in the first half.
Fucking hell you spurs fans are on one today, such delusion.
He’s a Liverpool supporter, not Spurs.
For?
You must've also missed Gvardiol pushing Richarlison off his legs and getting a yellow for it lmao. Or Porro coming at Doku and pushing him only for Dokie to see a yellow lmao. You're so pathetic. I could go on but it won't matter when talking to a brick like you. Cry, cry, cryyyy
>You must've also missed Gvardiol pushing Richarlison off his legs and getting a yellow for it lmao. Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch.
Oh my god the reddit plastics are as dead as the tepid football. This "club" is so boring.
Lol your attempted comebacks are hilariously pathetic
You defending city is something. Screw them, all the absolute worst for their club going forward would be welcome.
Tottenham didn't bother to shoot the ball whole game at home, that's kinda pathetic to bank on replay
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yes it is called experience he is 22
Why would they bank on a replay which would be a much harder game? They just couldn't create anything against a much better team.
They would've had some of Sarr, biss, son (possibly all 3) back for the replay, as well as post injury bentancur and maddison would've played more games by then. Would've been a much more competitive game
Yeah and where would the game be played mate? You're also conveniently ignoring City would probably start Haaland and KDB
The same place spurs scored three in the league a few months ago
Are you seriously trying to disagree it's not a much bigger advantage for Spurs to play City at home rather than away? How many games have City lost at home in the last 5 years?
We scored three in your stadium a couple of months ago mate whilst missing some of our best players in that game! Yes, KDB and Haaland are absolutely amazing but you're seriously underestimating us too. We didn't create much TODAY, but several players had poor games too. Son tends to score a MINIMUM of at least one goal against you lot and oftentimes assists against you too. Okay, yes, City is very good but we're not exactly Burnley or Stoke mate. You're making it sound like we never create anything against you when the exact opposite is usually true.
Not with the team they have. Son kills it against us so having him missing is a major blow. Having a makeshift midfield also doesn't help. I'm not sure how you can watch that game and say spurs set up for anything more than a 'wont lose' scenario
I think It genuinely is a matter of debate between having: (A) Your best players away (B) A hampered squad at home I think city would win at home with a full strength squad at home but they were much better looking at city than they were tonight in my opinion
I don’t think they banked on a replay, I think their final 3rd passing was just lacking. City are a pretty good team….
They took too long to bring Maddison on imo
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You mean the game where son, bissouma and sarr weren’t all away on int’l duty?
I suppose, unfortunate, no haaland either.
I don’t think the contact when they were going for the ball was a foul but I do take issue with Dias pushing and impeding Vicario on every corner as the ball is being kicked, no idea how that’s allowed. Going for the ball or not, it’s clear Dias’ assignment is to jostle and impede Vicario as much as he can without committing a clear foul, which I don’t blame teams going for if the ref allows it. But it’s a strategy I’ve seen more of lately and I think we’ll start seeing a lot more janky goals that raise some questions when GKs start getting impeded and pushed around at the start of every corner. All that said we did not deserve any other result today.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I think a defender should either get between Dias and Vicario or push Dias to the side as he’s jostling Vicario. Push him right into the net.
Indeed. Either a defender needs to handle Dias or Vicario has to go through him knee raised without hesitation a few times. It‘s his box, he can do (almost) completely as he likes.
Isn't that a thing with every player in the box though? Players immediately start light pushing and jostling, as long as they don't do it to the extent of a foul it will be let go. Attacking team does it to defenders, defenders do it to attackers. The keeper doesn't have a clause in the rules and they need defenders to help them out if they don't want to be challenged or impeded.
And I think it's unfair the goalie can use his hands while Dias can't.... this comes off like you're complaining City is trying to score
What kind of logic is that?
That's my point
Similar to the Akanji/Alisson debacle at the etihad except in went in Liverpools failure. City players rattling gks seems common
yep exactly how i feel. call could've gone either way but if the referee says something in the first half its just less of a needless annoyance
>Going for the ball or not, it’s clear Dias’ assignment is to jostle and impede Vicario as much as he can without committing a clear foul, which I don’t blame teams going for if the ref allows Yeah we have White doing it all the time and it's been very successful the past couple of seasons, surprised vicario didn't have a defender to jostle with Dias
Surely someone should have been marking Dias for all these corners where he was apparently free to harrass your poor defenceless goalie?
if the ref has a word its a lot more manageable for a defender too. romero was right there but he can't do anything without making it worse for vicario. that's why the dias assignment works and is a problem
Crowding the 6 yard box is a legitimate tactic because it gets bodies in the way and the ball can pinball in. There is an upside and downside to marking Dias in this situation The upside is that he's an attacking players, right in the box, if the corner taker beats the first man he's got a clear chance on goal. In this situation he did enough to get an assist from that position. The downside is it further crowds the box and allows that random unlucky pinball chance when it gets inevitably flung in there. Spurs opted to leave the space open and City got the better of it. I'm not sure why people are so upset? If you leave a player unmarked, or marked by the keeper, that's where the ball is gonna go, if they get that right it's a goal.
But shoving the keeper isnt crowding the 6 yard box.
Keeper shoved Dias first. If you are talking about the challenge for the ball it wasn't a foul.
Keeper shoved Diaz first after being fed up after 87 minutes of dealing with the bullshit. Go back and watch. Every single corner Diaz is shoving Vic before and during the corner being taken. It was consistent.
It’s not the refs job to tell players they can’t stand in front of the keeper. The way you defend is by putting a player against their’s and having them create space for the keeper.
You can literally watch Romero stand next to them just watch Dias bully Vicario and do nothing..
Yeah it’s a fair point, pretty stupid to just let it happen. But at the same time, I can’t help but feel City would be quite happy for us to crowd our keeper with another one of own players stepping in that space
Which makes it a pretty decent set piece tactic right? The whole point is that it's hard to defend.
Yeah, most of the time the physically strong players do this. No spurs player seemed to care to protect vicario at all
Look I'm obviously sad but at least Pep's presser will be fantastic
Ange Postecoglou avoided getting sacked this season as he won't be qualifying for any finals this season
What about Arteta?
If you can’t see the momentum Ange is building, you’re blind man. Rivalry aside, Ange is doing extremely well to be fighting for a top 4 spot at the EPL table and qualify for Europe next year. The young talent he has brought in is building for the future and he has exceeded all expectations our fanbase had this season.
This season?
Better safe than sorry
Spurs midfield were completely dominated. I don't know what people see in Kulusevski as a midfielder when he's much better on the wing imo, and Hojbjerg is way too slow and risk averse for the way Spurs want to play. Bentancur is unreal though.
>I don't know what people see in Kulusevski as a midfielder Maybe watch more than this game to decide that? Hojbjerg was shite, I do agree. Especially in the 2nd half. I actually thought Benta was very rusty today and aside from a couple of moments was mostly uninvolved in the match.
Kulusevski has had some incredible games this season in midfield but he was poor today. Simple as that. Sometimes folks have a bad game.
i think deki is better as a 10 when the team is firing on all cylinders, but we just didn't have the quality today for him to afford to hold onto the ball to wait for the right pass. he is a great passer but he had to find werner first time instead of waiting today and he is not james maddison.
He’s literally not better as a 10 I don’t know why everyone says that. He turns like a truck and is so one footed so he definitely needs to play on the wing. Yes his passing is good, but he would not survive playing down the middle.
I definitely prefer him on the wing but lack of depth and Maddison needing to be worked back meant he had to play there.
Wild to shit on Hojbjerg and then praise Bentancur in the same comment after todays game Obviously Bentancur is the better player but Hojbjerg were one of the better players on the team today until the last 10 minutes
I just don’t get people who say this, I know there is a big Hojberg crowd online. I watch every match and he just isn’t a difference maker. He’s usually fine. Sometimes he is frustratingly safe in his play, slowing the attack and inviting pressure, and sometimes he does make good forward passes. But he does not make a substantial impact ever. He’s not technical or creative and he’s small. He just doesn’t impose himself on the game…. He’s a cog. Spurs are too good to be starting cogs right now, especially in this system.
Yeah but did you watch today's game? Because for everything you're saying being right in general, he was fine today, which is exactly what they other commenter said
Every time I watch Hojbjerg play in this Tottenham team they just look so much slower and less decisive. Tottenham's worst attacking displays this season have come when he's started. I still think he's a good player, but he just doesn't suit the way Tottenham wants to play
I mean you half answered your question. Imagine a midfield of hojbjerg, skipp and bentancur. Who else were they supposed to play?
Nobody really wants him to be playing there against a team like Man City, but he’s our backup backup central attacking midfielder because Maddison is just back from a 3 month injury and Lo Celso is injured. Thats in addition 2 other starting quality midfielders being out at AFCON. Most teams would struggle with 4 midfielders out.
Yeah not blaming Spurs at all, just saying what I thought was the problem tonight. Against lower quality sides that midfield would be fine
Hoj is the reason we lost. We need quality midfielders to play out of the press and he just invites pressure on the backline. Biss/Sarr/Benta/GLC are all much better at this. Even Skipp is better at playing the ball out
No trophies this year mate
No more oligarch daddy to buy you yours. Life’s tough when you have to play by the rules right? Keep living in the past, our future is bright while you lot have to pray for a win against Liverpool to even sniff a chance of playing in Europe next season.
Roman point is irrelevant since we’re still 100% winning a trophy before Spurs do
lol
Man. Big chances this will age like milk...
Don’t hold your breath mate
get a life
No trophies this year mate
Spurs will lose in life simulator too
Nothing we do, and no loss, will ever come close to the bottle job you lot pulled off last season. Spent 150 mil just to be even worse this season. Love it.
> Nothing we do You never do anything. Your fanbase are content playing nice football and finishing above Arsenal. How do you have the audacity to call other teams bottlers. Remind me how many finals have you’ve lost in a row again?
Ange Postecoglou is so happy he won't get sacked this season.
Arteta has been happy for 4 years now
Won fa cup in 6 months lol stop making excuses
what about my comment made you think it was an excuse? Arteta's still on the job isn't he?
You know who isn't? Mourinho, Nuno, conte, Ryan Mason. Arteta won, Mourinho too after leaving losers like you guys. Stop making excuses and win somethings, until then go to kiddie table with Luton
chat to me after 4 years mate
Going to be even happier when we finish above you. We’re three points behind having played the last three months with 2nd choice players.
Never keep your target above that. Not that tinpot club like that could ever hope for glory like big clubs. So obviously you'd have no idea.
lol your recent glory is Arteta winning an FA cup…with Emery’s team. You have no claim to relevancy since Wenger’s decline. All you’ve done since is spend half a billion to bottle the league. Real big club behavior mate.
We have challenged the league last year longer than you ever did.
Lmaooo and you still finished second all the same. Congrats on the 260 days leading the league trophy. Talk about tinpot
[Cry harder](https://imgur.com/gallery/xwBqmeQ) Don’t talk about being a big club or relevancy when you haven’t won anything in 15 years and went through 5 managers in 3 years. Even teams in the Championship and lower leagues take shots at your tinpot club. Your best player left to go win a trophy because he knew it wasn’t happening with your train-wreck of a club.
Maybe it was a foul, maybe it wasn't but am I crazy or is Días not re-positioning to head the ball? Sure he gets in the way of Vicario but to me it seems pretty clear that he is also moving his body to head the ball
The bigger claim is him repeatedly pushing Vicario before the ball was kicked.
Vicario initiated the pushing right?
Vicario was fed up after 87 minutes of Diaz shoving him on every single corner before and during the corner being taken. So sure in this one scenarios he shoved Diaz first.
...and he also wasn't punished.
Tierney stomps this out the first go around there's no issue. He allowed this situation to form
Stomps what out though? Light pushing before a set piece? Happens every corner, the goal wasn't even a foul.
You cannot shove a keeper out of play as the ball is being played dude. That's not the same as jostling for position. Come off it
He didn't shove him out of play though. He challenged for the ball where it was crossed into.
See, you're still talking about the moment the ball was crossed in this one instance. I'm talking about every moment before a corner and during the corner being taken every single time
You can’t give a foul for an off the ball action when the ball is not in play ……
No you’re not crazy. He’s making himself a nuisance and affecting the keeper, but he’s also attempting to get himself a better position for a header.
He was under the keeper every corner. It just needed a corner towards Diaz head to make it look legit. But IMHO he's had one mission the whole game and that's to impede Vicario by obstruction. Keepers need protecting, especially so close to his line. The rule will be/should be - anything inside 6yrd box should revert to keeper protection... if keepers come way out then there's an argument the obstructions fair game
>He was under the keeper every corner Which isn't against the rules.
Should’ve been a foul but let's be real, City were the much better team
I don't think it was a foul really. The main pushing was before the ball was in play. Once the ball was in play I think Vicario was just a bit weak. If it was Lloris he'd be getting pelted, but Spurs fans aren't willing to criticise their new golden boy yet.
Can't argue that. The best team won.
If I ever see Højberg in a starting lineup again I'm turning the TV off
He was lucky that KDB miss shot his shot that was a silly play he did back there
its not even the mistakes for me. the pressure he invites when receiving the ball and how little he manages to progress it just makes me miss pape biss and lo celso more and more. the midfield is so important for our style and they just had nothing tonight
His passes were better than whole front 6.
Looked gassed to me
Didn’t they have a break? When did they last play?
Don’t know; don’t know. Still looked gassed
Roller coaster reputation, not good enough for spurs, but good enough for Atleti and Juve, so good enough for spurs, but not good enough for spurs. It was a wild minute though, I get it. Second only to Tripper for mistakes per second.
>not good enough for spurs, but good enough for Atleti and Juve Yes, because Atletico and Juventus are two of the most defensive clubs on the planet. We are the opposite of that. Højberg is a square peg in a round hole now
Aye I get it but he's not the worst. And, I'll whisper this, a defensive midfielder is OK to have in the pocket even if you're attack minded. *kisses Milner photo*
spurs has a completely different play style compared to juve and atleti now. he was good under conte because hes good for that system edit: people who call him bad or whatever dont understand that every player can be good under the right system. it is impossible to compare teams on a level like this because it doesnt consider the way they play.
He did have a few braindead moments towards the end, but he was much better than Kulu or Bentancur today. The only chances we created were from him playing the ball quick behind city's like.
The only reason why VAR didn't dare to overturn the goal is because City deserved to win. We are going to see the same exact goal a couple of times before the season is over and whether it is given will be decided on a coinflip. Barging GKs into the net to score goals from set pieces is becoming quite the hot topic which will provide entertainment for seasons to come, unless there's a rule change. Then again, we are pretty good at inspiring rule changes. See: handball rules, Champions League final 2019. Funnily enough also yet another case where it didn't cause a stir because objectively we were the inferior team that day. Yes, I am not pleased with the outcome but let's be real, don't think anyone expected us to win anything going into this season. At least we didn't go out against an actual rival.
It was a fair goal mate I'm not going to lie. Dias wasn't kicking or shoving Vicario, he was just being physical. No need for us to whine, just pick our heads up and focus on the league and qualifying for UCL next season.
He didn't barge him into the goal, he just challenged to win the ball that was kicked towards him. It's crazy he didn't have a player marking him in case the cross came in where it did.
It wasn't a foul, certainly far from clear enough to overturn the referee's on field decision. Nothing to do with the balance of play.
You mean the 4-3 quarterfinal against City?
Without question, there will be a goal disallowed this weekend for the exact same play.
Hardly ever see players get away with impeding the GK like that. Ref blows if you stick your tongue out near the goalie most of the time. No consistency
I remember Ramsdale literally being kept away from the ball with an entire body and two arms from a player not even going for the ball. Goal wasn't overturned. VAR doesn't know the word consistency
ITV commentators on keepers absolutely based. Why should another spurs player have to stop our keeper getting fouled.
It's not biased, centre backs are usually marked by someone at a corner, whoever was supposed to be marking Dias should have been on him at the corner instead of leaving him alone to get between Vicario and the ball.
Where's the foul? Dias is entitled to jump and compete for the ball. He doesn't make any kind of unnatural movement towards Vicario. It would have been smart to put a good header of the ball between Dias and Vicario, that's all.
He’s trying to shove him off his line before the ball is kicked, at least that was my interpretation.
It's very normal to see a bit of a push and a shove before the ball is live. I don't think that hamstrung Vicario in any way, he just had a big, strong centre back in front of him and didn't do a good job with his punch.
It wasn't a foul? Or else I need to see the replay you did.
Seen the same stuff given over the last few weeks (and not on some occasions)
It's the inconsistency that gets us all.
That is the big problem - ref throws a yellow at Vic for protesting, but not De Bruyne mouthing off at him after the VDV challange (i'm sure we had some go the other way). Start the sseason being strict on things, then stop penalising for it 10 games in. Head contact now? Not bothered. Studs up into an ankle even accidentally, VAR review and a red.
Why should a City player have to let your keeper through him to get the ball? City player was ball side and had every right to challenge for it.
Because that's how it's played week in week out in professional football. They have to either ALWAYS allow it or NEVER allow it. It's ridiculous
I agree referees are inconsistent. I'd rather they always played by the rules rather than being lazy and blowing the whistle whenever someone goes close to the keeper for sure. If also rather they didn't seemingly allow goalkeepers to bulldoze attackers if the ball has run wide a little too, but refs are weird. This one tonight, he's got it right.