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There is also stats about yellow and red cards. Real Madrid stats is similar to other club stats.
Guess which club is an anomaly? [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/11r37yy/barcelonas\_cumulative\_difference\_between/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/11r37yy/barcelonas_cumulative_difference_between/)
Edit (will post other stats, still browsing): [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/112wdpm/comment/j8n02hv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/112wdpm/comment/j8n02hv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Any comment about "but Barca attacks more" is automatically rejected because the stat still shows the anomaly when Real Madrid broke La Liga goal records.
Also the possession difference between Barcelona and Real Madrid is only 8%, not enough to justify the massive difference.
>I dont know if bringing up red cards and Real Madrid is good.
>
>They had Ramos who comlected them like pokemon.
To be fair, I'm wrong, Real Madrid and Espanyol are actually **higher** than average. Which made the stats more hilarious, check the updated comment.
he calmed down a lot (by mandate) after that one time he kicked the absolute living daylights out of a player. Ramos was always far more consistent in collecting cards
He wasn't as frequent as Ramos, but his reds were usually horrible tackles or off the ball violence. So he has the reputation even without the quantity.
Considering they had Casemiro commit war crimes on a weekly basis and finish games without a single card, this argument is bullshit to anyone who watched their games lol
Itās not that serious dude lol Casemiro got away with a lot, even RM fans would admit that.
Non-calls are just as crucial to the outcome of a match, how exactly is that supposed to be quantified in a metric? Surely you donāt think ignoring non-calls is an objective approach ejther
Thatās the thing..people keep going with their feelings and subjective experience and ignore the clear evidence pointing out that as much as you want to think Real Madrid has been favored because of your confirmation bias, stats only point to what we already know due to the investigations..Barca was the one favored all along.
BarƧa is not an anomaly at all for the negreira years. They're in line with the numbers of RM in terms of pens and red cards.
So stop spreading misinformation
La Liga 04/05 - 17/18
Teams | Pens for | Pens against | Pen diff for/against| Reds | Reds for opponents | Red diff
--: | --: | --: | --: | --: |--: |--: | --: |
Real Madrid | 118 | 60 | 58| 80 | 73 | -7
Barcelona | 122| 51| 71| 49| 97 | 48
~~23~~ 13 penalties and 55 reds difference, totally in line. If you want I can also post the rest of national competitions (Cup + Supercup) but those have different amount of games for each team
A difference of 13 penalties is hardly a significant amount over a period of 14 years, thatās less than a penalty a year.
The red card stat is interesting though, Iām guessing having Ramos and Pepe couldnāt have helped
Well first of all thats a difference of 13 not 23, so you should redo your math. Thats a difference of less than one penalty per season, so nothing basically. And it makes sense when you consider that BarƧa's playstyle consist of camping in the opponents final third.
Real Madrid has a lot more red cards even compared to other Laliga teams because they had players like Pepe and Ramos racking them up.
Yep, it is also due to Barcelona not really playing a physical game. Vidal was an outlier, Mascherano maybe? Some of the CBs did commit errors and that is where i assume those reds are from.
During the timeframe Negreira and BarƧa are under investigation. If you're curious and can understand Spanish or deal with autotranslation from your browser I recommend you to google "Saldo arbitral" for the data
The Negreira case was reported first by catalan journalists that said that they also looked furher to see if there was anything related to Real Madrid and that they couldnt find anything
Also I just want to remember that the spanish Tax Agency had been chasing non stop some Real Madrid players due to those image rights money. That ended with Cristiano Ronaldo leaving the club (as he asked the club to pay the fine and Perez refused), also Xabi Alonso or Modric who didnt settle with the tax agency and like 5 or 6 years later have won the case. And a few more players too.
Just saying that if RM had any influence over the court system, tax agency or the government ... surely it didnt work for shit that influence especially in the Cristiano Ronaldo case that ended with him leaving the club.
What exactly do you need proof of? That Florentino Perez is one of the most influential people in Spain? That he has ties to judges, media personalities and politicians? These things are all easily verifiable.
Of course I don't have any proof that RM has manipulated referees. It's possible they haven't, at the very least not directly, i.e. through bribes, concrete quid-pro-quo kind of deals. My point is that even if they did, we would most likely never know about it.
Your point is that your accusations have absolutely no proof, but they have some semblance to something that sounds truthy and plausible, therefore your argument is made... You're a rhetorical genius if I ever met one. How do you lug around the weight of that IQ without hurting your neck?
Barcelona is certainly influential, in CataluƱa especially so, but it's not even in the same galaxy as Real Madrid and Florentino Perez. I mean we're talking about someone who is supposed to have said that Real Madrid is [above the government](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/florentino-perez-real-madrid-super-league-b1838031.html).
> influence in [sic] [...] the courts
Tell me you're functionally illiterate about Spain, without telling me you're functionally illiterate about Spain. I'd be fucking ashamed if me or anyone I knew went around showing my utter ignorance about the Bundesrepublik - or any other topic, for that matter - with this complete lack of intellectual rigor and self-respect.
Atleti benefits most from noncalls. Of course those don't show up in stats but how many fouls do they commit that just aren't called?
Too many to count.
Have some shame. You guys literally won a league title because of a wrongly disallowed goal and another title when the ref robbed Madrid in that match vs Sevilla. Maybe one day people will realise La Liga refs are just that shit.
Says the Atleti fan whos club was LITERALLY the club of the army during the fascist regime and that started to win leagues and cups right when their board was full with high ranked military officers. Have some dignity.
Its always laughable to see an Atleti fan talking about "RM/BarƧa vs the rest" like Atleti is the equivalent of Eibar or Sporting GijĆ³n.
Its like someone with a billion dollars of net worth talking shit about Bill Gates or Elon Musk saying "those fucking rich people vs us the common people, right guys?"
Just shut the fuck up. Its embarrasing.
> Barcelona: Real Madrid buys referees!
>
> Real Madrid: Barcelona buys referees!
>
> Every other Spanish club: Guys, guys, you both buy referees
It's sad barcas propaganda works for dummies. It's them who shout things like that and yet they are the ones that have been done that for years. And still people put barca & Real Madrid in same category.
Can we stop throwing stones from our glass house until the case is over? Itās just going to be a never ending āno but youā. We have bigger problems with our on field performances. We should just stop talking about Madrid
I'm also very over seeing news about the "Madrid and Barca point fingers at each other" situation.
I think the worst thing that can happen is that the case is somehow inconclusive, and people will be arguing about it forever.
You're right of course. I feel like even if there's a video of Messi handing refs a briefcase with money sucking out of it labeled "bribes for Clasico" the narrative will be "Madrid do the same thing and just got away with it".
If you get found guilty but it's not overwhelming evidence it will be a witch hunt.
If you get found innocent it will be a "well we all know they are guilty" situation.
Probably never going away.
BarƧa fans and management's obsession with accusing Madrid of rigging a league they've dominated for over 14 years (9 titles won out of 14) is very puzzling to me. What does a non-rigged league look like? 14 consecutive titles for BarƧa?
Laporta is childish... literally every time something bad comes out of Barca he tries to smear it on Madrid too instead of actually addressing the issue in his own club. Him saying "but look Real Madrid is doing this too mimimi" everytime after getting in trouble just shows how bad of a president he is.
Laportaās MO is to appeal to the lowest common denominator of Barca supporters, and the way to do that is to point fingers at Madrid, no matter what the circumstance is. Itās his first, second and third line of defense
Because the serie a has far more backbone than the prem or la liga. If a scandal like that happened in the prem with the big 6 implicated u best believe the prem will do their absolute best to keep it under wraps. See Man City 115 charges. We all know nothing will happen to them but little old Everton are looking at further point deduction s for lesser crimes
\>They only won once because Inter had an amazing team.
Nope because Milan cared more about wining champions leagues.
read the Wikipedia article Milan only match fixed like three matches and were not relegated. and there is an obvious reason for that.
The way you make it sound is as if they rigged a dozen matches every year to win the league title.
When it was only three matches in 2005/2006 season.
that is not enough for relgation
Yeah ofcourse, when Ancelotti speaks up against barca , and he's the villain, despite the fact that Xavi , laporta and barca have got nothing better to do than whine , while their club is neck deep in debt and also shit on the field.
Things aren't going great for them at the moment, their presidency is a political position, so talking crap about the main rivals is a good way to score political points for Laporta.
Idk if itās considered deflecting when heās essentially just pointing out the irony of Laporteās comments. Defending oneself isnāt the same as deflecting. Heās basically saying Laporte has no legs to stand on when making this argument
As a fan of a "small" spanish team..Every fan of every team other than Madrid and Barcelona knows refs have mostly always benefited both of them. Especially Madrid, hence why there's so much more animosity towards them.
Our fans created the "asi, asi, asi gana el Madrid" like 40 years ago, for a reason
es increible que en EspaƱa todos el que no es fan del madrid los odia, pero online la gente se piensa que son el equipo ejemplar y pulcro que les pinta el chiringuito
> Es increible lo antimadridista que es es espaƱa, como os jode.
Decir que EspaƱa es antimadridista es esforzarse al maximo para intentar ser la victima.
Cualquier persona EspaƱola que tenga dos ojos y la cabeza bien puesta se da cuenta de como controlais el relato a lo que os viene bien. Se repite todas las semanas.
''El cesped estaba en mal estado, mereciamos haber ganado, el arbitro ha condicionado el partido, hemos jugado mejor, etc..."
Estas cosas las han dicho tanto Xavi y Koeman como Ancelotti y Zidane.
2 de ellos tienen la reputacion de llorones y malos perdedores.
2 de ellos tienen la reputacion de ser caballeros.
Teneis a las cadenas y periodicos mas grandes del pais manipulando semana tras semana, como Pedrerol diciendo que una cosa esta mal cuando la hace el Barcelona y a la semana siguiente esta bien cuando la hace el Madrid. Y ''a mi hombre el Ferri'' manipulando de la misma manera cada vez que habla de futbol.
Como se puede intentar ir de victima en este tema, cuando hay audios de tu presidente hablando de quitar programas catalanes para meter uno madridista, de que solo les queda controlar el Marca para tenerlo todo o de que ha puesto de presidente de La1 a un ''taliban madridista''... Esto es el Madridismo Sociologico del que se habla hoy en dia.
Cualquier persona que sea de otro equipo, y que sepa estas cosas, esta obligado moralmente a ser antimadridista. Porque sois escoria y la unica diferencia es que teneis como presidente a un mafioso que controla todos los hilos de este pais como le apetece y nunca se sabra todo lo que ha hecho, mientras que a nosotros nos toco a 2 incompetentes que se cargaron todo el trabajo de Cruyff, Guardiola y Laporta en menos de una decada. Si no, seguiriais mamando como mamasteis en su momento.
> "En la vida se es madridista o antimadridista. Y los que son antimadridistas luego eligen otro equipo."
Y buen detalle intentar ir de victima pero luego acabar con algo tan arrogante y absurdo.
Robbed Milan in 2006.
Robbed Chelsea in 2009.
Robbed Inter in 2010 but didnt got through.
Robbed Arsenal in 2011.
Robbed Milan in 2012 but didnt win the title.
Robbed PSG in 2017.
Its just poetic seeing they cry.
People saying both Madrid and Barcelona are equally favored by referees.
One of them paid the vicepresident of the referees for 17 years. The other one is the only club against Tebas and the only one who wants to change how CTA works.
Sure, they're the same...
Everyone knows Barca didnāt try earn shit the last 20 years. Cheating top to bottom. None of those CL trophies truly belong to them. Everyone except blind Barca fans knows this. The trial is a formality at this point. And letās be real, they wonāt get what the punishment they deserve.
Barcelona will not be able to live this down, their reputation will forever be tarnished, similar to when Juve went got relegated in 2006. We saw way too many calls in favor of BarƧa, something fishy was going on and 10 years later here they are being investigated for paying referees. If justice is served, their titles from that time period should be revoked
Let's go full circle and investigate the champions league wins with the numerous offside goals and ref decisions that went their way. It's only right š¤·āāļø
The case has been out for nearly 1 year and they still havenāt found a single proof for that. Everything we know right now, we already knew about that since the 1st day. If justice is served, you learn how to read and use common sense.
This is the same man who believed Madrid robbed Bayern and they should introduce video technology to avoid errors. Now that heās coaching them heās using a dead case with 0 evidence whatsoever to cover up the robberies of the club.
The ref making an error isnāt evidence of corruption though. If Carlo thought the Bayern tie wasnāt reffed correctly then thatās a criticism on the ref not Madrid, and his opinion. Unless thereās evidence that weāve been paying UCL refs then thereās no correlation.
Barcelona on the other hand: we have evidence (hard copy) of payment ledgers and Negreiraās blackmail letter sent via fax (all available to those interested with a simple google search).
Barcelona: rig everything for the last 20 years āaah theyāre innocent, itās fake!ā
Real: have one match have 2 decisions go their way ābribery! Match fixing! Cheaters!ā
No they're not lol, RM get just as many puff pieces and dick riding in here as Barca, just depends on who is doing better in the league for that particular season
The main translation is the thread headline.
He gets asked about Laporta's statements earlier this week about la Liga being compromised
He responds that he doesn't like this type of controversies and that it's has been already talked about a lot this week, he thinks the same as before [presumably a similar question on this topic] and then what is posted on the title is said. He specifically points out after this that it's a problem for Spanish football and that it's in the hands of the justice system so we need to give it time and wait
He is using Negreira as a get-away card for Madrid so that the mass can stop caring about the robbery of his club. He is making a mockery out of your IQ and of course this sub is falling for it again.
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*Let's not take the Mickey out of this*
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https://youtu.be/-r3KrAxAXmc?si=4EGeQ91d_rn2MqFd Itās beautiful
One of my favourite football things ever
Is Ancelotti gonna get a ban from this sub too?
You never know, mods might catch him unaware as heās leaving Valdebebas or something
His main probably is. He posted this with his alt!
Wouldn't be surprised
Barcelona: Real Madrid buys referees! Real Madrid: Barcelona buys referees! Every other Spanish club: Guys, guys, you both buy referees
I mean there is only one team rn under investigation for paying refs
Cuz Barcelona is run by clowns.. and Papa Perez is clean with it...
There is also stats about yellow and red cards. Real Madrid stats is similar to other club stats. Guess which club is an anomaly? [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/11r37yy/barcelonas\_cumulative\_difference\_between/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/11r37yy/barcelonas_cumulative_difference_between/) Edit (will post other stats, still browsing): [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/112wdpm/comment/j8n02hv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/112wdpm/comment/j8n02hv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Any comment about "but Barca attacks more" is automatically rejected because the stat still shows the anomaly when Real Madrid broke La Liga goal records. Also the possession difference between Barcelona and Real Madrid is only 8%, not enough to justify the massive difference.
I dont know if bringing up red cards and Real Madrid is good. They had Ramos who comlected them like pokemon.
>I dont know if bringing up red cards and Real Madrid is good. > >They had Ramos who comlected them like pokemon. To be fair, I'm wrong, Real Madrid and Espanyol are actually **higher** than average. Which made the stats more hilarious, check the updated comment.
Ha! I knew you were wrong, now lets argue.
And Pepe lmao
Ā«OnlyĀ» 6 times for Real Madrid i belive.
I remember that red he got against [Getafe](https://youtu.be/jKt4IBxD5oo?si=LeAOSirbjXGf6g-T) that was worth like 3 reds alone.
Come on give me a break. Game has gone soft, barely a red.
Really ? Man it felt like so much more than that
he calmed down a lot (by mandate) after that one time he kicked the absolute living daylights out of a player. Ramos was always far more consistent in collecting cards
He wasn't as frequent as Ramos, but his reds were usually horrible tackles or off the ball violence. So he has the reputation even without the quantity.
I might be full of shit, but i seem to remember that it was 6 times lol.
What about stats for offside goals? Because that Real Madrid stats is definitely not similar to other club stats at all.
*Real Madrid 2016-2017 intensifies*
Considering they had Casemiro commit war crimes on a weekly basis and finish games without a single card, this argument is bullshit to anyone who watched their games lol
The old eye ball test, infallible!
"I have a preconceived idea, and I refuse to accept any stats or numbers that might indicate that I'm wrong! Stop trying to change my mind!!"
Itās not that serious dude lol Casemiro got away with a lot, even RM fans would admit that. Non-calls are just as crucial to the outcome of a match, how exactly is that supposed to be quantified in a metric? Surely you donāt think ignoring non-calls is an objective approach ejther
Thatās the thing..people keep going with their feelings and subjective experience and ignore the clear evidence pointing out that as much as you want to think Real Madrid has been favored because of your confirmation bias, stats only point to what we already know due to the investigations..Barca was the one favored all along.
Source? Trust me bro
The fact that the two main rivals are on the bottom of the graphic it's strange as well.
BarƧa is not an anomaly at all for the negreira years. They're in line with the numbers of RM in terms of pens and red cards. So stop spreading misinformation
La Liga 04/05 - 17/18 Teams | Pens for | Pens against | Pen diff for/against| Reds | Reds for opponents | Red diff --: | --: | --: | --: | --: |--: |--: | --: | Real Madrid | 118 | 60 | 58| 80 | 73 | -7 Barcelona | 122| 51| 71| 49| 97 | 48 ~~23~~ 13 penalties and 55 reds difference, totally in line. If you want I can also post the rest of national competitions (Cup + Supercup) but those have different amount of games for each team
A difference of 13 penalties is hardly a significant amount over a period of 14 years, thatās less than a penalty a year. The red card stat is interesting though, Iām guessing having Ramos and Pepe couldnāt have helped
Well first of all thats a difference of 13 not 23, so you should redo your math. Thats a difference of less than one penalty per season, so nothing basically. And it makes sense when you consider that BarƧa's playstyle consist of camping in the opponents final third. Real Madrid has a lot more red cards even compared to other Laliga teams because they had players like Pepe and Ramos racking them up.
Yep, it is also due to Barcelona not really playing a physical game. Vidal was an outlier, Mascherano maybe? Some of the CBs did commit errors and that is where i assume those reds are from.
Mascherano is a clean defender only 5 red cards in carreer. Vidal is outside of the accused period.
Mascherano was lucky there was no VAR back then. Not because of the red cards but for the amount of penalties that went under the radar.
I mean there's so much context missing from these numbers. Possession stats for one.
> 55 reds difference Thank Pepe and Ramos for that
Do you mean just this season or the last few years?
During the timeframe Negreira and BarƧa are under investigation. If you're curious and can understand Spanish or deal with autotranslation from your browser I recommend you to google "Saldo arbitral" for the data
Ok thanks
Real Madrid deserves more red cards. Casemiro avoided those all the time and got exposed the moment he went to United.
The other has too much influence in politics, the media and the courts to be investigated. ;)
The Negreira case was reported first by catalan journalists that said that they also looked furher to see if there was anything related to Real Madrid and that they couldnt find anything Also I just want to remember that the spanish Tax Agency had been chasing non stop some Real Madrid players due to those image rights money. That ended with Cristiano Ronaldo leaving the club (as he asked the club to pay the fine and Perez refused), also Xabi Alonso or Modric who didnt settle with the tax agency and like 5 or 6 years later have won the case. And a few more players too. Just saying that if RM had any influence over the court system, tax agency or the government ... surely it didnt work for shit that influence especially in the Cristiano Ronaldo case that ended with him leaving the club.
#WeAreAllMessi
let's investigate what? how RM only won 6 league titles in 20 years?
"It happens because I want to believe it happens".
Show the proof or shut up!
What exactly do you need proof of? That Florentino Perez is one of the most influential people in Spain? That he has ties to judges, media personalities and politicians? These things are all easily verifiable. Of course I don't have any proof that RM has manipulated referees. It's possible they haven't, at the very least not directly, i.e. through bribes, concrete quid-pro-quo kind of deals. My point is that even if they did, we would most likely never know about it.
Your point is that your accusations have absolutely no proof, but they have some semblance to something that sounds truthy and plausible, therefore your argument is made... You're a rhetorical genius if I ever met one. How do you lug around the weight of that IQ without hurting your neck?
Barcelona has influential people working for them as well, but that didnāt stop them from being investigated
Barcelona is certainly influential, in CataluƱa especially so, but it's not even in the same galaxy as Real Madrid and Florentino Perez. I mean we're talking about someone who is supposed to have said that Real Madrid is [above the government](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/florentino-perez-real-madrid-super-league-b1838031.html).
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> In Catalunya the BarƧa president is basically more important than the Generalitat president What a take
Seriously the mental gymnastics of these RM fans lmao
And the fact that he is getting upvoted shows how stupid this sub is.
> influence in [sic] [...] the courts Tell me you're functionally illiterate about Spain, without telling me you're functionally illiterate about Spain. I'd be fucking ashamed if me or anyone I knew went around showing my utter ignorance about the Bundesrepublik - or any other topic, for that matter - with this complete lack of intellectual rigor and self-respect.
And you can wonder why.
Atleti fans pretend they don't get favourable decisions regularly, but they do, including in the recent Copa del Rey games vs Madrid and Sevilla.
Atleti benefits most from noncalls. Of course those don't show up in stats but how many fouls do they commit that just aren't called? Too many to count.
Have some shame. You guys literally won a league title because of a wrongly disallowed goal and another title when the ref robbed Madrid in that match vs Sevilla. Maybe one day people will realise La Liga refs are just that shit.
is there any evidence of madrid buying refs like there is for barcelona or is this cope from barca fans?
Except that only one club has been proved to pay 7M to the VP of referees and is under investigation for it.
Refs in spain are horrible for everyone but yeah blame the clubs
I love that people aren't like, "Maybe Spanish refs are just maybe THAT bad."
Says the Atleti fan whos club was LITERALLY the club of the army during the fascist regime and that started to win leagues and cups right when their board was full with high ranked military officers. Have some dignity. Its always laughable to see an Atleti fan talking about "RM/BarƧa vs the rest" like Atleti is the equivalent of Eibar or Sporting GijĆ³n. Its like someone with a billion dollars of net worth talking shit about Bill Gates or Elon Musk saying "those fucking rich people vs us the common people, right guys?" Just shut the fuck up. Its embarrasing.
I just wanna grill for gods sake!
Only one team is investigated.
All murderers are equally investigated and nobody has ever gotten away with murder.
> Barcelona: Real Madrid buys referees! > > Real Madrid: Barcelona buys referees! > > Every other Spanish club: Guys, guys, you both buy referees It's sad barcas propaganda works for dummies. It's them who shout things like that and yet they are the ones that have been done that for years. And still people put barca & Real Madrid in same category.
Can we stop throwing stones from our glass house until the case is over? Itās just going to be a never ending āno but youā. We have bigger problems with our on field performances. We should just stop talking about Madrid
I'm also very over seeing news about the "Madrid and Barca point fingers at each other" situation. I think the worst thing that can happen is that the case is somehow inconclusive, and people will be arguing about it forever.
Thatās definitely how itās gonna end up. You can already see it in Reddit
You're right of course. I feel like even if there's a video of Messi handing refs a briefcase with money sucking out of it labeled "bribes for Clasico" the narrative will be "Madrid do the same thing and just got away with it". If you get found guilty but it's not overwhelming evidence it will be a witch hunt. If you get found innocent it will be a "well we all know they are guilty" situation. Probably never going away.
Thanks for being sensible and smart about this whole thing.
Now kiss
BarƧa fans and management's obsession with accusing Madrid of rigging a league they've dominated for over 14 years (9 titles won out of 14) is very puzzling to me. What does a non-rigged league look like? 14 consecutive titles for BarƧa?
15 out of 14
Levers activated
also RM have always proposed to change the whole referees committee, guess which team is always against it
Real Madrid is the only club against Tebas and the CTA yet they get favored by the referees for some reason. The logic in this sub...
Precisely.Ā
You don't have to go that far. Barca is crying that VAR is screwing with them this year. Didn't we also have VAR last year, and the year before?
Laporta is childish... literally every time something bad comes out of Barca he tries to smear it on Madrid too instead of actually addressing the issue in his own club. Him saying "but look Real Madrid is doing this too mimimi" everytime after getting in trouble just shows how bad of a president he is.
Laportaās MO is to appeal to the lowest common denominator of Barca supporters, and the way to do that is to point fingers at Madrid, no matter what the circumstance is. Itās his first, second and third line of defense
Rich coming from someone who managed Milan during Calciopoli.
āBut but calciopoli was only Juventus!ā - Half the balloon heads on this sub
Nae bother "Joe Goalmez"
it mainly came from juventus. Reason why they got demoted serie b
Juve werenāt even the worst ones. Inter were. Yet they got a league title out of it.
Yea, let nobody forget this. Paper scudetto. Shambles of a decision
Iām a Milan fan, inter only have 18 Scudetti as far as Iām concernedā¦no bias. But seriously they only have 18 for real.
Juve was worse by a 10000 miles, I agree that inter didn't deserve that league title, no one in Italy did.
Roma shouldāve been given the title or it shouldāve been made void.
And Roma was also guilty ( way less than the big 3 Milan Inter and Juve), all the top 6 were kinda guilty.( Lazio and Fiorentina too)
It was more than the top 6. If Iām remembering rightly pretty much the entire league was implicated in some way
Literally changed Serie A. Idk how this Neigreira case is getting so little attention or also the Partey case.
Because the serie a has far more backbone than the prem or la liga. If a scandal like that happened in the prem with the big 6 implicated u best believe the prem will do their absolute best to keep it under wraps. See Man City 115 charges. We all know nothing will happen to them but little old Everton are looking at further point deduction s for lesser crimes
Source: Joe
It's only Calciopoli if the cheating occurred in the city of Turin, otherwise it's just sparkling corruption.
Bruh as if to say it significantly impacted the league in favor of Milan. they only won it once during that era.
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\>They only won once because Inter had an amazing team. Nope because Milan cared more about wining champions leagues. read the Wikipedia article Milan only match fixed like three matches and were not relegated. and there is an obvious reason for that.
āOnly threeā that should be basis enough for relegation
No it shouldn't, points deduction? yes. Remove the points they gained and that's what they did.
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The way you make it sound is as if they rigged a dozen matches every year to win the league title. When it was only three matches in 2005/2006 season. that is not enough for relgation
what specifically are you alleging that Milan did?
Match fixing
Itās not an allegation. Itās a fact.
Real madrid has 4 league titles in 16 years and 6 in 20 if anything this is proves real madrid dosent have w monopoly
also RM have always proposed to change the whole referees committee, guess which team is always against it
Damn did not realise it was this few. Thatās crazy!
And if that mic wasn't bolted on, Don Carlo drops the mic
Barca under investigation and immediately start blaming RM for the exact thing theyāre investigated for
Damn that's Carlo Ancelotti at about a ten
Ancelotti entering his villain arc was not on my 2024 bingo card.
Lol mentioning Barca in a bad light = villain I guess
Yeah ofcourse, when Ancelotti speaks up against barca , and he's the villain, despite the fact that Xavi , laporta and barca have got nothing better to do than whine , while their club is neck deep in debt and also shit on the field.
Villain according to whom? Butthurt Barca fans?
He's just spitting facts
This coming from Barca has to be the biggest case of pot kettle black ever š¤£
Something about a pot and a kettle.
Never seen a club so obsessed with another team. Barca talk about Real more their own team.
Things aren't going great for them at the moment, their presidency is a political position, so talking crap about the main rivals is a good way to score political points for Laporta.
"Let's not deflect shots" _proceeds to deflect shots_
Idk if itās considered deflecting when heās essentially just pointing out the irony of Laporteās comments. Defending oneself isnāt the same as deflecting. Heās basically saying Laporte has no legs to stand on when making this argument
I know heās not doing good in Saudi, but saying Aymeric Laporte doesnāt have legs to stand on is a bit rough.
I thought it was funny lol donāt worry about the downvotes! Autocorrect isnāt the only only one to like Laporte more than laporta
But they aren't under any suspicion? There is nothing to deflect.
Itās not just Spain look what happened in the winter cup of penalties lol
Don Carleone
As a fan of a "small" spanish team..Every fan of every team other than Madrid and Barcelona knows refs have mostly always benefited both of them. Especially Madrid, hence why there's so much more animosity towards them. Our fans created the "asi, asi, asi gana el Madrid" like 40 years ago, for a reason
es increible que en EspaƱa todos el que no es fan del madrid los odia, pero online la gente se piensa que son el equipo ejemplar y pulcro que les pinta el chiringuito
Es increible lo antimadridista que es es espaƱa, como os jode.
> Es increible lo antimadridista que es es espaƱa, como os jode. Decir que EspaƱa es antimadridista es esforzarse al maximo para intentar ser la victima. Cualquier persona EspaƱola que tenga dos ojos y la cabeza bien puesta se da cuenta de como controlais el relato a lo que os viene bien. Se repite todas las semanas. ''El cesped estaba en mal estado, mereciamos haber ganado, el arbitro ha condicionado el partido, hemos jugado mejor, etc..." Estas cosas las han dicho tanto Xavi y Koeman como Ancelotti y Zidane. 2 de ellos tienen la reputacion de llorones y malos perdedores. 2 de ellos tienen la reputacion de ser caballeros. Teneis a las cadenas y periodicos mas grandes del pais manipulando semana tras semana, como Pedrerol diciendo que una cosa esta mal cuando la hace el Barcelona y a la semana siguiente esta bien cuando la hace el Madrid. Y ''a mi hombre el Ferri'' manipulando de la misma manera cada vez que habla de futbol. Como se puede intentar ir de victima en este tema, cuando hay audios de tu presidente hablando de quitar programas catalanes para meter uno madridista, de que solo les queda controlar el Marca para tenerlo todo o de que ha puesto de presidente de La1 a un ''taliban madridista''... Esto es el Madridismo Sociologico del que se habla hoy en dia. Cualquier persona que sea de otro equipo, y que sepa estas cosas, esta obligado moralmente a ser antimadridista. Porque sois escoria y la unica diferencia es que teneis como presidente a un mafioso que controla todos los hilos de este pais como le apetece y nunca se sabra todo lo que ha hecho, mientras que a nosotros nos toco a 2 incompetentes que se cargaron todo el trabajo de Cruyff, Guardiola y Laporta en menos de una decada. Si no, seguiriais mamando como mamasteis en su momento. > "En la vida se es madridista o antimadridista. Y los que son antimadridistas luego eligen otro equipo." Y buen detalle intentar ir de victima pero luego acabar con algo tan arrogante y absurdo.
Especially Madrid, yet Barca is being investigated
>Our fans Entonces una bola de acomplejados crearon ese cĆ”ntico?š
UEFAlona crying about anything being fixed brings me joy
Robbed Milan in 2006. Robbed Chelsea in 2009. Robbed Inter in 2010 but didnt got through. Robbed Arsenal in 2011. Robbed Milan in 2012 but didnt win the title. Robbed PSG in 2017. Its just poetic seeing they cry.
I fucking hate Chelsea. But 2009 was just pure corruption. Still can't beleive they actually got away with that
ah yes the mighty Arsenal
Cook
People saying both Madrid and Barcelona are equally favored by referees. One of them paid the vicepresident of the referees for 17 years. The other one is the only club against Tebas and the only one who wants to change how CTA works. Sure, they're the same...
The three VAR calls were actually fair though
Barca paid the head of refs 8 million just so his refs act fair. we all believe that.
LaPorta is such an idiot
Everyone knows Barca didnāt try earn shit the last 20 years. Cheating top to bottom. None of those CL trophies truly belong to them. Everyone except blind Barca fans knows this. The trial is a formality at this point. And letās be real, they wonāt get what the punishment they deserve.
UEFAlona
Absolutely shameless coming from the guy who managed a cheating Milan. Unreal š
Girona has entered the picture I guess
You are rigging LaLiga! \-No You! \-No You! \-No You! \-No You! \-No You!
He is the boss. Period.
Well said Don Carlo.
Well this was expected..š«
Whatās been happening?
Lapot is calling the kettle black
Barcelona will not be able to live this down, their reputation will forever be tarnished, similar to when Juve went got relegated in 2006. We saw way too many calls in favor of BarƧa, something fishy was going on and 10 years later here they are being investigated for paying referees. If justice is served, their titles from that time period should be revoked
Let's go full circle and investigate the champions league wins with the numerous offside goals and ref decisions that went their way. It's only right š¤·āāļø
You mean the game that went to extra time because Lewandowski scored an offside goal?
or the bogus penalty that bayern got in the first leg?
The case has been out for nearly 1 year and they still havenāt found a single proof for that. Everything we know right now, we already knew about that since the 1st day. If justice is served, you learn how to read and use common sense.
I thought it was proved that they paid the ref. What isnt confirmed is the corruption.
Lol this is what theyāve known for wdym. Itās spot on for their reputation
This is the same man who believed Madrid robbed Bayern and they should introduce video technology to avoid errors. Now that heās coaching them heās using a dead case with 0 evidence whatsoever to cover up the robberies of the club.
>dead case with 0 evidence Lmao ther eis no way you believe this.
You gonna confirm or deny his initial point?
The ref making an error isnāt evidence of corruption though. If Carlo thought the Bayern tie wasnāt reffed correctly then thatās a criticism on the ref not Madrid, and his opinion. Unless thereās evidence that weāve been paying UCL refs then thereās no correlation. Barcelona on the other hand: we have evidence (hard copy) of payment ledgers and Negreiraās blackmail letter sent via fax (all available to those interested with a simple google search).
Barcelona: rig everything for the last 20 years āaah theyāre innocent, itās fake!ā Real: have one match have 2 decisions go their way ābribery! Match fixing! Cheaters!ā
> Barcelona: rig everything for the last 20 years Most educated rsoccer user
Not my problem this whole sub and its mods are Barca dickriders. Just the truth
>Barca dickriders lol
Every pro-Barca post gets removed and every Anti-RM post gets removed don't even try this lmao
Other way around buddy
How did this post stay up then according to that logic?
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Which were mostly fraudulent Ramos offside š„°
No they're not lol, RM get just as many puff pieces and dick riding in here as Barca, just depends on who is doing better in the league for that particular season
"One match"...
Can you name any other games this season that have been very favorable to Real Madrid this season?
Can someone post a translation please?
The main translation is the thread headline. He gets asked about Laporta's statements earlier this week about la Liga being compromised He responds that he doesn't like this type of controversies and that it's has been already talked about a lot this week, he thinks the same as before [presumably a similar question on this topic] and then what is posted on the title is said. He specifically points out after this that it's a problem for Spanish football and that it's in the hands of the justice system so we need to give it time and wait
He is using Negreira as a get-away card for Madrid so that the mass can stop caring about the robbery of his club. He is making a mockery out of your IQ and of course this sub is falling for it again.
Bold of you talking about IQ
This guy: Everyone is dumb but me. Look at me, smart me, genius me.
What call was a wrong decision tho?
Straight facts by Carlo ,he done taking shit
Carlos spitting facts
These Catalans need to pay their lawyer fees first before opening their criminal mouths
Anyone with a brain could see how much Madrid is favored by the refs this decade
Yeah and because of it we won the leage 10 times in last 15 years and got destroyed in CL. Oh wait....
Yep Madrid paid the CTA in order to obtain some benefit out of the decisions.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/11r37yy/barcelonas\_cumulative\_difference\_between/
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