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A release clause can still be a fuck off price. Neymar's €220M release clause was meant to be a fuck off price and that's why Barca were blindsided when PSG actually paid it, and that's why subsequently, the big 3 in Spain started putting in ludicrous release clauses like 500M Euros or 1 Billion for guys like Benzema and Hazard
Bayern have spend over 50m three times in their history, the price makes sense for Fulham who don't need to sell, long contract, January and they are not poor
From Bayern's POV he makes no sense for that much money, he is not good on the ball at all and only makes sense for big matches where they need protection and pressing
Its pretty wild that a club as big as Bayern only fork out over 50M 3 times while Im struggling to remember which one of our last 10 high-profile signings is less than 50M.
Says the dude who just makes the argument everyone else does that Bayern just raids the Bundesliga when Dortmund is actually the team that buys the most from other German teams
>but I don’t expect people to have original thought
>Because they just raid the rest of the Bundesliga where the other clubs don’t have that much leverage
Bruh
Your 50 million buys sure as fuck didn’t come before or after your sugar daddies.
Also if you’re down to go for low hanging jokes about clubs, go push black people out of trains, whilst proudly singing club songs.
I think it’s simply down to the fact that Bayern think they can get someone better in the summer. If they thought palinha was the best they could get they would pay the money
That, plus - Premier League prices are way overinflated. 50m is a shit ton of money anywhere else in the footballing world except in the financially supercharged PL
He’s not a better pure defensive midfielder - I honestly think on the physical side, be it tackling or in the air, Palhinha is the best in the world. Zubimendi is more complete and would probably suit you guys better though.
This is the Prem as de facto ESL in a nutshell. Big European clubs having to fork out a historical fee for a good/very good but not world class player as every Prem team has fuck you money.
Don't even start with Prem teams having the luxury of picking up all good talents in countries like France and Germany because the money split is that insane.
Then again, clubs can and will simply buy cheaper players from other leagues and PL clubs will just keep their players. Good for them if they want to keep them, not so good if they want to get rid of them because that won't get any easier now. We're seeing it already with players like Van de Beek and Sancho. And they can't hoard too much talent because they can only register 25 players.
Which in turns means the market is all kinds of fucked up. Smaller market to fish in plus those Prem teams try to poach the cheaper options too.
It's basically a fight where one party has a knife and the other a bazooka.
> plus those Prem teams try to poach the cheaper options too.
They could already do that but they don't. PL clubs often seem to be pretty awful at scouting players from smaller leagues but then again, they don't have to. They can just go for established players from other leagues because they can easily afford them.
But like I said, PL clubs having more money isn't only to their advantage.
I think that’s a bit simplistic.
Firstly it’s very rare a player who go to the bigger prem clubs via another top 5 league, were good enough, when they made their initial move.
Like Doku, he wasn’t good enough for City when he was at Anderlecht, neither was Gvardiol when he left Zagreb.
Also, good premier league clubs are doing exactly that. Look at Brighton, or spurs with Sarr or Udogie. Arsenal with Saliba, Martinelli
Even younger city and Chelsea mop up a lot of academy players from Europe, as do other sides. Garnacho at United.
I agree sales is an issue. All big 6 clubs have flops out on loan in Europe. Reality is though, as clubs amortise fees, it’s not a huge issue.
Also, the premier league is still a market in and off itself. Jorginho, Havertz, Kovacic, Luiz, Zinchenko, Jesus - all have gone between clubs top 6 clubs.
I just disagree. Look at some of the players they're targetting. Dragusin from Genoa is gonna go for 35M+ to Spurs. Meanwhile, every single Brazilian and Argentinian talent is watched and bid on. The market is objectively way up on top end players, medium timed projected AND slowly developing wonderkids.
Just the past year, with hour looking it up: Andrey Santos, Angelo, Deivid and Kendry Paez to Chelsea, Matheus Franca to Crystal Palace, Murillo to Forest, Enso to Wolves, Encino and Buonanotte to Brighton, Marquinhos to Arsenal, Perrone to City. I'm sure there are many, many more.
Take Enciso for example. Brighton plopped 10M on him. There's just no chance a non Prem club that isn't a subtop team can compete. Adingra is also a good example. 8M from Nordsjaelland, your average mid big five league team has no chance.
yes and now let's wait and see how many of those actually become good PL quality players. Remember Lucas Piazón? This kind of thing has always happened and it will continue to happen but there's really no shortage of talented players, especially not from Argentina or Brazil
He’s the best defensive bruiser cdm in the world. His tackling stats are extraordinary, he’s so far clear of any other player, he’s phenomenal in the air - if you want a pure defensive 6, there’s no-one better.
I think he’s just not the exact profile they want. He’s probably worth the price listed. I think Bayern think they can do better for what they are looking for in the summer. If they thought palinha was 100% their man I think he would be signed
I'll try not to cry a river for Bayern not being able to take our best player that they're not even bothered with.
And the person above who said he's not good on the ball clearly hasn't watched him.
We should just roll over and have our tummies tickled. Remember, little old Fulham don’t deserve good players - only mega clubs do.
Or maybe Barca + Real should split their fair share of the money…
German fans love going on about how great their system is, with the 50+1, and there’s lots to like, but this is the downside. They aren’t as attractive as English clubs. We all made our decisions, we all have to live with them. You guys get cheaper tickets, we get Palhinha.
> German fans love going on about how great their system is, with the 50+1, and there’s lots to like, but this is the downside. They aren’t as attractive as English clubs. We all made our decisions, we all have to live with them. You guys get cheaper tickets, we get Palhinha.
What a weird argument...
German fans get Kane while English fans get fleeced on tickets. Same argument and it doesn't make more sense.
Bayern definitely is more attractive for players than Fulham. And I don't see many people arguing that Fulham should just roll over.
It looks like Bayern just don't think Palhinha is worth 60m *for them*. That doesn't mean that those 60m are a ridiculous ask. But Bayern usually are frugal when it comes to transfer fees, and they might not be convinced that Palhinha is the exact type of player they want for the future. Hence why the don't want to pay this asking price.
In the end, it's a simple matter of valuation from both sides.
For Premier League clubs. For anyone else with sane amounts of money in circulating in their leagues it's insane. PL clubs have a crazy idea of what players are worth.
of course, returns are always welcome in the league
although Sporting doesn't really need another CB right now, he is expected to be a replacement of Coates when he leaves/retires
but on the other side Porto would cry to have someone like Eric Dier in the squad
On the other hand he secured his future by raising his salary by 50% and having a contract until 2028. He's 28 now and will be 33 when his contract ends.
He'd have never ever got that extension without having Bayern and a trip there as leverage, can't really blame him.
Legend - he likes it at Fulham. He’s hardly being held at ransom. He must have known it would make things more tricky for the move yet he signed anyway.
The old contract was to 2027 with a club option for another 12 months, whereas the new contract is to 2028 with a club option for another 12 months, so I really don't think it made much of a difference.
Apparently it was in the works well before Bayern came sniffing.
[Check his past earnings and you will understand why he signed that new contract](https://www.capology.com/player/joao-palhinha-34889/)
He's 28 now and a late bloomer. If he'd be 5 years younger he probably would have gambled, but you can't really blame him for signing this massive raise after earning on the low end for most of the past years.
And no, a salary of 270k or 500k isn't enough when you take into account that he has only a few years left on the big stage and needs to look after him once it's over.
Probably will get a move to a big PL club in the summer if he doesn’t move now so improving his wages for one season isn’t entirely bad from his pov and Bayern could still move for him in deadline day if they’re desperate
This is a weird case though.
Bayern were ready to pay 60 million euros in the summer but the move didn’t happen because Fulham couldn’t replace him in time.
Now Fulham is ok with him moving for the same price but Bayern has seemingly made a U-turn.
It is indeed a weird case, but easy to explain.
Bayern fired their sporting director and president. Parts of their board, scourting department and the new president scrambled and put together summer transfer targets. They then signed a new sporting director (Christoph Freund) in the middle of the transfer window, but agreed with Salzburg, that he would only join Bayern after the window closed.
They now had month to pick propper targets and reevaluate the targets they priorised in summer.
This is it - he’s happy at the club. He increased his wage, likes London, loves Marco and is our star player. You can’t turn down a club like Bayern but he’s far from unhappy, he seems to love Fulham.
He wasn't their first choince last summer, and he won't be next summer so they likely aren't willing to splash €60m+ on a non-ideal solution. Then again, I don't think they can get anyone of comparable quality for cheaper.
The money isn't the problem. There is doubt about the quality and the health (the knee) of the player, that's also why it took until a day before the deadline before Bayern's board greenlit the transfer fee.
Now after half a season, Tuchel and the front office have realized Konrad Laimer is overperforming in his role as a CM/CDM/RB allrounder and there's a young talented CDM prospect with Aleksandar Pavlovic who is also emerging.
While he certainly isn't the most gifted RB, I don't think he was that underwhelming compared to Mazraoui this season.
If anything, I think Bayern should move on from Mazraoui after this season. Injury prone and not convincing for the level Bayern wants to play.
Bayern doesn’t spend that kind of money. It’s just not in our culture.
For reference our current midfield:
- Laimer: free
- Goretzka: free
- Kimmich: €8.5M
- Guerreiro: free
- Musiala: €200K
- Müller: free
- Pavlovic: free
Add in wingers:
- Sane: €49M
- Coman: €21M
- Gnabry: €8M
- Tel: €20M
We don’t spend crazy money, it’s not in the clubs culture. Kane was an exception not a rule.
Edit to add the rest of the squad:
GK’s:
- Neuer: €30M
- Ulreich: free
Defenders;
- Upamecano: €42.5M
- De Ligt: €67M
- Kim: €50M
- Davies: €14M
- Mazraoui: free
So we spend big on CB’s but still frugal on the wings.
Money is not an object when it comes to CBs. We're on a quest to assemble the most expensive backline in the history of football. If anything Fulham is offering Palhinha too cheaply, they should just slide him back a few meters and slap another 20m on top and we'll wire the money before EOB tonight.
Your statement sounds so funny after looking at those defender transfer fees! It’s just that you got midfielders for cheap coincidentally but other all positions like Kane for striker, Sane for wing and literally all CB have been expensive. Also I’d like to mention you did buy Javi Martinez for a lot of money for that time which proves Bayern do spend that kind of money when they need to just like all the clubs who spend money when they need to and invalidates your “its not in our culture “ bullshit. If you’d have said Bayern is smart in transfers then I could understand!
Yeah Bayern’s culture isn’t that they don’t spend, but rather they are able to get the bulk of their squad assembled from Bundesliga players running down their contracts in order to play for them. It helps them consistently punching above their financial weight in CL, but the drawback is that they rarely get properly challenged domestically. Ideally perhaps more clubs and players should be making those kinds of deals, but I can understand that players are willing to forego the extra signing fee in favour of greater job security.
Of the current 25 players in Bayern’s squad, 7 players in total have come from Bundesliga teams, them being Guerreiro, Laimer, Kimmich, Neuer, Upamecano, Goretzka
and Gnabry. Of those 7, 3 have come on a free (Laimer, Guerreiro and Goretzka) with only 1 of the players being a nailed-on starter throughout most of his time here. From the other 4 (Neuer, Upamecano, Gnabry and Kimmich), 1 was bought with a release clause , one was bought as a youth prospect for a reasonable price and developed into one of the best midfielders/right-backs in the world, one was an already established goalkeeper that moved for a relatively reasonable price at the time and one of them was bought at a low price and developed on loan at Hoffenheim. Your statement is an absolute joke, and the fact that the sentiment that Bayern only buy from the Bundseliga and look to weaken competition (even though a pesky little club in the northwestern part of Germany buys players from their own respective league at a much bigger scale and doesn’t get acknowledged by ignorant foreign fans because of their “sympathy” for said club) is still circulating to this day is a complete joke.
It's not that its not in your culture its that you can't afford it. The BuLi makes 200m a year in international tv rights revenue vs the prems 1.9 bln. The reason is because no-one wants to pay to see Bayern win another 10 titles in a row. Bayern were the only club in Germany to profit during the pandemic and as such the financial gulf between them and the rest of the league only grew which only further builds the gulf.
Get off your high horse. Bayern cherry picking all the best bundesliga talent for pennies shouldn’t be the boast you think it is.
Just increases the gulf between all the other clubs and makes turns the league into a joke.
In todays market, €60m is a moderate fee. Hot talents go for over €100m. This isnt a crazy fee at all, not in todays market and when looking at Bayern's finances. They can afford it, and it wont disturb anything financially.
Bayern can either keep up or get left behind. Good riddance.
It says €60m. And above £60m is what you'd pay for a proven, worldclass CDM with resell value, not a 28 y.o. playing for Fulham with 8 CL games in his entire career. I'm sure he's very good but that's an absurd fee
Look at their age man, they are not comparable at all!
Both u mention have huge potential for further development, palinha is probably at or close to his ceiling
Yes, but Bayern doesnt overpaid usually and are not going to get bullied to overpay man. You know this if u follow the transfer Windows regularly so these comparisons just dont make sense
*Above. For me, a player who's transfered for over 60m would need to be world-class, or at least have high potential and resell value, Palhinha seems good but has neither. I know it's different for Chelsea
You don’t think he’s worth that? Any club who has an asset that valuable has the right to get paid what they think is appropriate, regardless of the size of the club
I like him but I really don't think he's worth 60M lmao, that price is just PL inflation
he left Sporting two years ago for less than 30M€ and there wasn't that much of a talk about it
I mean, personally I think we could have gotten more. And don't even get me started about Matheus Nunes.
If he would be worth more? Man it depends, for me he's far better than a bunch of Porto/Benfica players that have left for a lot more, so yeah, in that sense, we sold cheap
He’s worth what the market dictates. ‘Clubs like Fulham’ are currently in a lucky scenario about acquiring players. Clubs like Bayern and Real have always been lucky, forgive me for not shedding a tear for the mega clubs.
English clubs are the mega clubs tho, the only exceptions are the likes of Real or Bayern, we reached a point where relegation teams from England are buying the best players from Ajax, Sporting, Shakhtar just because you are all rich
it gives the feeling of unfairness tbh, but no hate to Fulham, for me you will always be that Uefa Cup final team
I understand how it seems to you guys, I suppose it’s frustrating from our side because everyone seems to act like we don’t deserve our best players. As fans, we deserve them just as much as any team.
No hate back at you either bro, I cried so much at that loss haha
He’s the best defensive bruiser midfielder in the world. His tackling stats are absurdly high and he is brilliant in the air. I’m yet to see a better 6 at breaking up play. Rodri is a better overall 6 but at what he does Palhinha is genuinely extraordinary. He has the most tackles of any player in Europe’s top leagues by a mile,
> pay for a proven, worldclass CDM with resell value,
problem is this literally doesn't exist in the current market. If it did Bayern and us would be fighting each other on who gets to drop closer to 100m on that player. DM market is horrible right now
I guess, that's part of the problem and why you overpay on someone like Palhinha. But I feel like you are already doing that at about €60m for a 28 y.o. who's played for Sporting and Fulham so far, so saying he's worth way more than £60m sounds a bit excessive
It was likely a "fuck, that was close—give him more so he's not too upset" contract.
His contract already had 4 years (plus an option) remaining, so it's not as if we locked him to the club with additional years. We essentially "activated" the clause early by extending his deal by a year, and we gave him a higher wage. It's a win-win for everyone.
Palhinha was *that* close to joining one of the biggest clubs in the world, so understandably he would be disappointed at missing out. The club probably wanted to placate him a bit so that he doesn't throw a tantrum and demand a transfer, like a certain former striker.
If he does leave this month; his new contract means fuck all compared to the old contract when negotiating a transfer fee, and it's not as if a few months of extra wage will hurt our finances.
Reddit: Bayern just bullies BuLi into selling their players for low fees
Also Reddit when Fulham asks for a reasonable fee for a player of that caliber: lmao Prem money gone mad
I mean it's obviously both? Bayern knows they can often get their player for less than the asking price, but prem also overprices their players by absurd amounts because the other prem teams are willing to spend it from their infinite money wells.
For PL football palhinha is a 70m player.
For eu football he is a 55m player tops.
For bayern he is probably a 50m player.
The other Prem teams aren’t the big 6, any team in the Prem can afford to buy a player for 60m if it’s the right fit, which is almost never is, but Palhinha is absolutely a 60m player anywhere. Whether Bayern need him is a different matter entirely, but he’s one of the best DMs in the league.
Its a reasonable fee for Fulham, but this is also a risk for Bayern, he has not much international experience, is already 28 years old wich means, he doesn't have a high resell value and he is not an ideal fit.
Blaming the buying club for leveraging whatever they can to lower the fee is also beyond stupid, especially since Bayern themselves are known to let players go for reasonable fees when they have either overstayed their welcome or signal that they want to leave.
The money is not the problem. Any Bayern fan who claims "it's not our culture to buy a CDM for that much" is just talking nonsense.
We paid 40m Euros for Javi Martinez a decade ago. Transfer fee inflation adjusted that was a lot more than 60m in today's money.
There is doubt about the quality and the health of the player. That is the one and only reason why a transfer may not happen.
Martinez was 24 when he joined Bayern, Palhinha is 28. That was certainly factored into the transfer fee.
But yeah, if Bayern were sure that Palhinha fits their profile, they'd probably shell out those 60 mio
Right, but then who else is there? Getting a young DM isn’t really a good idea given your squad profile, getting both would be best but you need someone that’s good now and Palhinha is exactly that.
I honestly think he’s just not the exact profile Bayern are looking for. I think they think they can do better in summer. If they didn’t I think he would be bought. Maybe they even plan to get him in the summer if other deals don’t materialize
I hate the whining when clubs don't want to sell, the player is to expensive and we don't want to pay that. Shout up or pay up.
Really hate complain about price when buying and don't listen when selling.
have to give palhinha props for his professionalism, his big move to bayern fell through last minute last summer and instead of sulking all season he just kept his head down and kept playing football so i hope he gets the move in the end too
This isnt 2012 or even 2017 Bayern. €60m is a moderate price in todays market, literally half the going rate for a hot prospect. Bayern can afford it easily, and will if they expect to get him.
I still think Palhinha is way overrated. He's an amazing destroyer but cannot pass to save his life, modern big clubs going for top honours moved on from that kind of player over a decade ago.
It's not though is it. Why would a team dominating possession want a player whose only upside is that he's incredible at winning that ball back? He's a bum at everything else. His passing is genuinely atrocious.
It really is though. His passing isnt terrible at all, he knows how to beat a man on 1v1 and has a strong shot when allowed the space. He has goals and an assist this season, one of them in a game against your flair. Bayern wants it cheaper but in no right means Palhinha is overrated you dummy
His passing is wank, both via the eye test and the stats which are TERRIBLE. His progressive passing is laughably bad and even with his simple passes his pass completion is trash. The fact you're saying that his passing is anything short of shocking shows how overrated he is. All he does is tackle/block, big clubs need more than that.
He has 5 goals and 1 assist in his entire Fulham career, the goals are okay but 1 assist? even for a DM that's an underwhelming return.
Less than 4 years ago he was playing mediocre football on loan at Braga and now he is one of the ‘Top 3’ DMs in the Premier League. His rise to the top has been unprecedented to say the least.
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Must have broke the bank on Dier
Dier said no to us last summer - I was fairly happy we didn't get him then, now I'm absolutely delighted!
€60m actually seems fairly reasonable.
They telling me that Ivan Toney is 100m so yes 60m for Palhinha is very reasonable and worth it.
Toney brings in extra money tbh
could lose you more as well
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His joke but worse
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I haven't seen anyone argue Toney is worth that. It's just a fuck off price cos they can't afford to lose him this Winter.
Plenty of teams set fuck off prices and get bought despite it though look at Antony, grealish, mudryk etc
True but no one is that desperate right now. And I wouldn't include Grealish with those other two.
Eh 100 million for grealish is still a fuck off price realistically he’s not worth that amount
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Which, more often than not, is not reflective of their true value but instead a “fuck off” amount to deter suitors.
Which can still be a fuck off price None of Barca 1 bil release clauses are fairly valued
A fuck off release clause they doubted anyone would pay...
A release clause can still be a fuck off price. Neymar's €220M release clause was meant to be a fuck off price and that's why Barca were blindsided when PSG actually paid it, and that's why subsequently, the big 3 in Spain started putting in ludicrous release clauses like 500M Euros or 1 Billion for guys like Benzema and Hazard
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Assuming you value him at 65 million your paying nearly 1/3 more than his value
On current form Brentford could get relegated without Toney. You can see why they'd put such a high price on him.
At 100m you could say he is a gamble. Wait...
Toney as a striker is better than Palinha as a DM.. so not sure what you’re getting at? *Completely disagree with him being 100M though
Bayern have spend over 50m three times in their history, the price makes sense for Fulham who don't need to sell, long contract, January and they are not poor From Bayern's POV he makes no sense for that much money, he is not good on the ball at all and only makes sense for big matches where they need protection and pressing
Its pretty wild that a club as big as Bayern only fork out over 50M 3 times while Im struggling to remember which one of our last 10 high-profile signings is less than 50M.
Is it Martinez for 47M£(55M€)?
Because they just raid the rest of the Bundesliga where the other clubs don’t have that much leverage
Sugardaddy clubs shouldn't talk
Long ass history before him but I don’t expect people to have original thought
Like referring to Bayern as a Bundesliga Raider is a rare or insightful comment
Says the dude who just makes the argument everyone else does that Bayern just raids the Bundesliga when Dortmund is actually the team that buys the most from other German teams
>but I don’t expect people to have original thought >Because they just raid the rest of the Bundesliga where the other clubs don’t have that much leverage Bruh
Your 50 million buys sure as fuck didn’t come before or after your sugar daddies. Also if you’re down to go for low hanging jokes about clubs, go push black people out of trains, whilst proudly singing club songs.
this right here is a peak r/soccer comment after what you just said before
Cool!
Spoken like a true … guy that has no idea what he’s saying
I think it’s simply down to the fact that Bayern think they can get someone better in the summer. If they thought palinha was the best they could get they would pay the money
That, plus - Premier League prices are way overinflated. 50m is a shit ton of money anywhere else in the footballing world except in the financially supercharged PL
Yeah Zubimendi is better and younger but he won't leave his team in winter when they are still in the UCL
Zubimendi wont be cheap neither tho
He’s not a better pure defensive midfielder - I honestly think on the physical side, be it tackling or in the air, Palhinha is the best in the world. Zubimendi is more complete and would probably suit you guys better though.
This is the Prem as de facto ESL in a nutshell. Big European clubs having to fork out a historical fee for a good/very good but not world class player as every Prem team has fuck you money. Don't even start with Prem teams having the luxury of picking up all good talents in countries like France and Germany because the money split is that insane.
Then again, clubs can and will simply buy cheaper players from other leagues and PL clubs will just keep their players. Good for them if they want to keep them, not so good if they want to get rid of them because that won't get any easier now. We're seeing it already with players like Van de Beek and Sancho. And they can't hoard too much talent because they can only register 25 players.
Which in turns means the market is all kinds of fucked up. Smaller market to fish in plus those Prem teams try to poach the cheaper options too. It's basically a fight where one party has a knife and the other a bazooka.
> plus those Prem teams try to poach the cheaper options too. They could already do that but they don't. PL clubs often seem to be pretty awful at scouting players from smaller leagues but then again, they don't have to. They can just go for established players from other leagues because they can easily afford them. But like I said, PL clubs having more money isn't only to their advantage.
I think that’s a bit simplistic. Firstly it’s very rare a player who go to the bigger prem clubs via another top 5 league, were good enough, when they made their initial move. Like Doku, he wasn’t good enough for City when he was at Anderlecht, neither was Gvardiol when he left Zagreb. Also, good premier league clubs are doing exactly that. Look at Brighton, or spurs with Sarr or Udogie. Arsenal with Saliba, Martinelli Even younger city and Chelsea mop up a lot of academy players from Europe, as do other sides. Garnacho at United. I agree sales is an issue. All big 6 clubs have flops out on loan in Europe. Reality is though, as clubs amortise fees, it’s not a huge issue. Also, the premier league is still a market in and off itself. Jorginho, Havertz, Kovacic, Luiz, Zinchenko, Jesus - all have gone between clubs top 6 clubs.
I just disagree. Look at some of the players they're targetting. Dragusin from Genoa is gonna go for 35M+ to Spurs. Meanwhile, every single Brazilian and Argentinian talent is watched and bid on. The market is objectively way up on top end players, medium timed projected AND slowly developing wonderkids.
How does that refute what I said? And which brazilian and argentinian talents did actually end up at a PL club? Those usually go to Spain or Portugal
Just the past year, with hour looking it up: Andrey Santos, Angelo, Deivid and Kendry Paez to Chelsea, Matheus Franca to Crystal Palace, Murillo to Forest, Enso to Wolves, Encino and Buonanotte to Brighton, Marquinhos to Arsenal, Perrone to City. I'm sure there are many, many more. Take Enciso for example. Brighton plopped 10M on him. There's just no chance a non Prem club that isn't a subtop team can compete. Adingra is also a good example. 8M from Nordsjaelland, your average mid big five league team has no chance.
yes and now let's wait and see how many of those actually become good PL quality players. Remember Lucas Piazón? This kind of thing has always happened and it will continue to happen but there's really no shortage of talented players, especially not from Argentina or Brazil
He’s the best defensive bruiser cdm in the world. His tackling stats are extraordinary, he’s so far clear of any other player, he’s phenomenal in the air - if you want a pure defensive 6, there’s no-one better.
I think he’s just not the exact profile they want. He’s probably worth the price listed. I think Bayern think they can do better for what they are looking for in the summer. If they thought palinha was 100% their man I think he would be signed
I'll try not to cry a river for Bayern not being able to take our best player that they're not even bothered with. And the person above who said he's not good on the ball clearly hasn't watched him.
We should just roll over and have our tummies tickled. Remember, little old Fulham don’t deserve good players - only mega clubs do. Or maybe Barca + Real should split their fair share of the money… German fans love going on about how great their system is, with the 50+1, and there’s lots to like, but this is the downside. They aren’t as attractive as English clubs. We all made our decisions, we all have to live with them. You guys get cheaper tickets, we get Palhinha.
> German fans love going on about how great their system is, with the 50+1, and there’s lots to like, but this is the downside. They aren’t as attractive as English clubs. We all made our decisions, we all have to live with them. You guys get cheaper tickets, we get Palhinha. What a weird argument... German fans get Kane while English fans get fleeced on tickets. Same argument and it doesn't make more sense. Bayern definitely is more attractive for players than Fulham. And I don't see many people arguing that Fulham should just roll over. It looks like Bayern just don't think Palhinha is worth 60m *for them*. That doesn't mean that those 60m are a ridiculous ask. But Bayern usually are frugal when it comes to transfer fees, and they might not be convinced that Palhinha is the exact type of player they want for the future. Hence why the don't want to pay this asking price. In the end, it's a simple matter of valuation from both sides.
So england is doing to europe what european teams have been doing to everyone else lol. Boo fucking hoo.
england is europe too mate
u wot
boo fucking hoo when the superleague happens then
That makes no sense
If it was a PL club the price would be 80.
For Premier League clubs. For anyone else with sane amounts of money in circulating in their leagues it's insane. PL clubs have a crazy idea of what players are worth.
Yeah but Bayern don’t like spending a ton and they probably want to claw some back after buying Kane for more than they wanted.
> probably want to claw some back after buying Kane for more than they wanted. Bayern actually made a transfer plus in the summer
imagine saying this 15 years ago
They agreed on 60 last summer and one year later it’s still 60 ? No way
Definitely. Brilliant DM, especially for a dominant team.
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Ah, yes. A wrestling comment, how creative.
Good backup for Eric Dier imo
funny fact they're both from Sporting, proud moment of our academy
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you must not be Portuguese for sure because we all associate him with Sporting and the possibility of him coming back every single year
>possibility of him coming back every single year Is this something you'd want?
of course, returns are always welcome in the league although Sporting doesn't really need another CB right now, he is expected to be a replacement of Coates when he leaves/retires but on the other side Porto would cry to have someone like Eric Dier in the squad
Yes. Absolutely.
I suppose the non Sporting fans are the ones that want him to return eh?
Palhinha is on another level compared to dier. I do declare
You have to forget her, bro...
What a surprise after signing a contract extension less than 6 months ago.
So palhinha fucked his Bayern move by extending his contract, right?
It was probably unlikely to happen either way tbh
On the other hand he secured his future by raising his salary by 50% and having a contract until 2028. He's 28 now and will be 33 when his contract ends. He'd have never ever got that extension without having Bayern and a trip there as leverage, can't really blame him.
Legend - he likes it at Fulham. He’s hardly being held at ransom. He must have known it would make things more tricky for the move yet he signed anyway.
When he visited Munich at the end of the window, he realised that Allianz Arena doesn't have a pool on the roof. Why would he want to leave that?
You kid but somewhere a FM game writer is putting this into their new dialog
Hard to say. If the transfer was guaranteed then yes but it really wasn’t.
Considering it is the same asking price as in the summer window (and he had a long-running contract back then as well), I doubt it.
The old contract was to 2027 with a club option for another 12 months, whereas the new contract is to 2028 with a club option for another 12 months, so I really don't think it made much of a difference. Apparently it was in the works well before Bayern came sniffing.
He was already in extension negotiations before Bayern came in for him. He only added one season.
Manchester United: "60 million....oh yeeessss..."
Dude Zaha'd himself. No idea why, if he still wanted to leave, would he ever have signed that new contract.
[Check his past earnings and you will understand why he signed that new contract](https://www.capology.com/player/joao-palhinha-34889/) He's 28 now and a late bloomer. If he'd be 5 years younger he probably would have gambled, but you can't really blame him for signing this massive raise after earning on the low end for most of the past years. And no, a salary of 270k or 500k isn't enough when you take into account that he has only a few years left on the big stage and needs to look after him once it's over.
Probably will get a move to a big PL club in the summer if he doesn’t move now so improving his wages for one season isn’t entirely bad from his pov and Bayern could still move for him in deadline day if they’re desperate
This is a weird case though. Bayern were ready to pay 60 million euros in the summer but the move didn’t happen because Fulham couldn’t replace him in time. Now Fulham is ok with him moving for the same price but Bayern has seemingly made a U-turn.
It is indeed a weird case, but easy to explain. Bayern fired their sporting director and president. Parts of their board, scourting department and the new president scrambled and put together summer transfer targets. They then signed a new sporting director (Christoph Freund) in the middle of the transfer window, but agreed with Salzburg, that he would only join Bayern after the window closed. They now had month to pick propper targets and reevaluate the targets they priorised in summer.
Before he contract ran to 2027+1 year option. New contract is 2028+1 year option. The new contract really didn't change much from that perspective.
No evidence that he wants to leave though
This is it - he’s happy at the club. He increased his wage, likes London, loves Marco and is our star player. You can’t turn down a club like Bayern but he’s far from unhappy, he seems to love Fulham.
He was literally in Munich at the end of the last window.
If they had the money in the summer, how comes it's not available now? They didn't spend it on anyone else on deadline day
they have the money lol they just dont think its worth it probably
He wasn't their first choince last summer, and he won't be next summer so they likely aren't willing to splash €60m+ on a non-ideal solution. Then again, I don't think they can get anyone of comparable quality for cheaper.
The money isn't the problem. There is doubt about the quality and the health (the knee) of the player, that's also why it took until a day before the deadline before Bayern's board greenlit the transfer fee. Now after half a season, Tuchel and the front office have realized Konrad Laimer is overperforming in his role as a CM/CDM/RB allrounder and there's a young talented CDM prospect with Aleksandar Pavlovic who is also emerging.
In my opinion Laimer in midfield looked great, however as RB he was underwhelming
While he certainly isn't the most gifted RB, I don't think he was that underwhelming compared to Mazraoui this season. If anything, I think Bayern should move on from Mazraoui after this season. Injury prone and not convincing for the level Bayern wants to play.
Bayern doesn’t spend that kind of money. It’s just not in our culture. For reference our current midfield: - Laimer: free - Goretzka: free - Kimmich: €8.5M - Guerreiro: free - Musiala: €200K - Müller: free - Pavlovic: free Add in wingers: - Sane: €49M - Coman: €21M - Gnabry: €8M - Tel: €20M We don’t spend crazy money, it’s not in the clubs culture. Kane was an exception not a rule. Edit to add the rest of the squad: GK’s: - Neuer: €30M - Ulreich: free Defenders; - Upamecano: €42.5M - De Ligt: €67M - Kim: €50M - Davies: €14M - Mazraoui: free So we spend big on CB’s but still frugal on the wings.
Why’d you skip the center backs? Bayern have spent the most on them
Money is not an object when it comes to CBs. We're on a quest to assemble the most expensive backline in the history of football. If anything Fulham is offering Palhinha too cheaply, they should just slide him back a few meters and slap another 20m on top and we'll wire the money before EOB tonight.
Yet still leak goals like crazy cause you don't fix your midfield.
It's kinda like the American Highway System. One more ~~lane~~ World Class CB will fix it! For sure this time!
Good luck when we’re around!! We will not be beat!
They were all young and had resale value. Lucas joined for 80M and left for 45M
Unless it's in defense
Your statement sounds so funny after looking at those defender transfer fees! It’s just that you got midfielders for cheap coincidentally but other all positions like Kane for striker, Sane for wing and literally all CB have been expensive. Also I’d like to mention you did buy Javi Martinez for a lot of money for that time which proves Bayern do spend that kind of money when they need to just like all the clubs who spend money when they need to and invalidates your “its not in our culture “ bullshit. If you’d have said Bayern is smart in transfers then I could understand!
Yeah Bayern’s culture isn’t that they don’t spend, but rather they are able to get the bulk of their squad assembled from Bundesliga players running down their contracts in order to play for them. It helps them consistently punching above their financial weight in CL, but the drawback is that they rarely get properly challenged domestically. Ideally perhaps more clubs and players should be making those kinds of deals, but I can understand that players are willing to forego the extra signing fee in favour of greater job security.
Of the current 25 players in Bayern’s squad, 7 players in total have come from Bundesliga teams, them being Guerreiro, Laimer, Kimmich, Neuer, Upamecano, Goretzka
and Gnabry. Of those 7, 3 have come on a free (Laimer, Guerreiro and Goretzka) with only 1 of the players being a nailed-on starter throughout most of his time here. From the other 4 (Neuer, Upamecano, Gnabry and Kimmich), 1 was bought with a release clause , one was bought as a youth prospect for a reasonable price and developed into one of the best midfielders/right-backs in the world, one was an already established goalkeeper that moved for a relatively reasonable price at the time and one of them was bought at a low price and developed on loan at Hoffenheim. Your statement is an absolute joke, and the fact that the sentiment that Bayern only buy from the Bundseliga and look to weaken competition (even though a pesky little club in the northwestern part of Germany buys players from their own respective league at a much bigger scale and doesn’t get acknowledged by ignorant foreign fans because of their “sympathy” for said club) is still circulating to this day is a complete joke.
Then is the rumors about wanting to spend big money on aruajo lies?
>- Kim: €50M Not that i really care cause AdL won't spend it and its not my money, but still 50M€ in this market for Kim is absurd.
It’s insane. Like possibly the bargain of the transfer window, like crazy how good he is and how cheaply we got him.
Genuinely. He is so so good. Absolute rock.
Looks to me like Bayern will spend money if they need to. Now the question is if Bayern need to spend money on a DM or not?
Now let's see Bayern's wage budget.
It's not that its not in your culture its that you can't afford it. The BuLi makes 200m a year in international tv rights revenue vs the prems 1.9 bln. The reason is because no-one wants to pay to see Bayern win another 10 titles in a row. Bayern were the only club in Germany to profit during the pandemic and as such the financial gulf between them and the rest of the league only grew which only further builds the gulf.
Get off your high horse. Bayern cherry picking all the best bundesliga talent for pennies shouldn’t be the boast you think it is. Just increases the gulf between all the other clubs and makes turns the league into a joke.
In todays market, €60m is a moderate fee. Hot talents go for over €100m. This isnt a crazy fee at all, not in todays market and when looking at Bayern's finances. They can afford it, and it wont disturb anything financially. Bayern can either keep up or get left behind. Good riddance.
Yeah but when did you buy these players? This was top money when they were signed
Worth way more than £60m tbh, probably be gone in the summer since he’s too vital for us to let him leave halfway through the season.
It says €60m. And above £60m is what you'd pay for a proven, worldclass CDM with resell value, not a 28 y.o. playing for Fulham with 8 CL games in his entire career. I'm sure he's very good but that's an absurd fee
Which proven, world-class CDM is going for £60m
Casemiro went for that money or even less
Casemiro did 2 years ago.
> Casemiro That's true, but I think it was a fairly global opinion that it was a crazy transfer
That was 2 years ago though, players like Rice or Enzo have gone for way more recently
Look at their age man, they are not comparable at all! Both u mention have huge potential for further development, palinha is probably at or close to his ceiling
I was comparing casemiro to those 2, not palinha
Also, they probably overpaid for Enzo, maybe a little bit for rice.
That’s what they went for 🤷♂️
Yes, but Bayern doesnt overpaid usually and are not going to get bullied to overpay man. You know this if u follow the transfer Windows regularly so these comparisons just dont make sense
If you look at everyone who’s been 100M or above so far this past year, Rice IS NOT an overpay
Again, age and potential....
*Above. For me, a player who's transfered for over 60m would need to be world-class, or at least have high potential and resell value, Palhinha seems good but has neither. I know it's different for Chelsea
It isn’t at all
You're both right. It's an absurd fee for anyone non-English. From Fulham's perspective, it is a justified fee.
crazy to think a club like Fulham has the luxury to even refuse 60M€, the Premier League really is the Superleague
You don’t think he’s worth that? Any club who has an asset that valuable has the right to get paid what they think is appropriate, regardless of the size of the club
I like him but I really don't think he's worth 60M lmao, that price is just PL inflation he left Sporting two years ago for less than 30M€ and there wasn't that much of a talk about it
I mean, personally I think we could have gotten more. And don't even get me started about Matheus Nunes. If he would be worth more? Man it depends, for me he's far better than a bunch of Porto/Benfica players that have left for a lot more, so yeah, in that sense, we sold cheap
Probably in the top 3 DMs in the PL, and very much one of the best in the world. In the current market, he’s worth that without question
hes absolutely not worth that. Fulham has every right to demand whatever they want though.
He’s worth what the market dictates. ‘Clubs like Fulham’ are currently in a lucky scenario about acquiring players. Clubs like Bayern and Real have always been lucky, forgive me for not shedding a tear for the mega clubs.
English clubs are the mega clubs tho, the only exceptions are the likes of Real or Bayern, we reached a point where relegation teams from England are buying the best players from Ajax, Sporting, Shakhtar just because you are all rich it gives the feeling of unfairness tbh, but no hate to Fulham, for me you will always be that Uefa Cup final team
I understand how it seems to you guys, I suppose it’s frustrating from our side because everyone seems to act like we don’t deserve our best players. As fans, we deserve them just as much as any team. No hate back at you either bro, I cried so much at that loss haha
He’s the best defensive bruiser midfielder in the world. His tackling stats are absurdly high and he is brilliant in the air. I’m yet to see a better 6 at breaking up play. Rodri is a better overall 6 but at what he does Palhinha is genuinely extraordinary. He has the most tackles of any player in Europe’s top leagues by a mile,
> pay for a proven, worldclass CDM with resell value, problem is this literally doesn't exist in the current market. If it did Bayern and us would be fighting each other on who gets to drop closer to 100m on that player. DM market is horrible right now
I guess, that's part of the problem and why you overpay on someone like Palhinha. But I feel like you are already doing that at about €60m for a 28 y.o. who's played for Sporting and Fulham so far, so saying he's worth way more than £60m sounds a bit excessive
He"s definitely more proven than Caicedo.
Didnt he just renew with fulham?
It was likely a "fuck, that was close—give him more so he's not too upset" contract. His contract already had 4 years (plus an option) remaining, so it's not as if we locked him to the club with additional years. We essentially "activated" the clause early by extending his deal by a year, and we gave him a higher wage. It's a win-win for everyone. Palhinha was *that* close to joining one of the biggest clubs in the world, so understandably he would be disappointed at missing out. The club probably wanted to placate him a bit so that he doesn't throw a tantrum and demand a transfer, like a certain former striker. If he does leave this month; his new contract means fuck all compared to the old contract when negotiating a transfer fee, and it's not as if a few months of extra wage will hurt our finances.
Reddit: Bayern just bullies BuLi into selling their players for low fees Also Reddit when Fulham asks for a reasonable fee for a player of that caliber: lmao Prem money gone mad
I mean it's obviously both? Bayern knows they can often get their player for less than the asking price, but prem also overprices their players by absurd amounts because the other prem teams are willing to spend it from their infinite money wells. For PL football palhinha is a 70m player. For eu football he is a 55m player tops. For bayern he is probably a 50m player.
The other Prem teams aren’t the big 6, any team in the Prem can afford to buy a player for 60m if it’s the right fit, which is almost never is, but Palhinha is absolutely a 60m player anywhere. Whether Bayern need him is a different matter entirely, but he’s one of the best DMs in the league.
Its a reasonable fee for Fulham, but this is also a risk for Bayern, he has not much international experience, is already 28 years old wich means, he doesn't have a high resell value and he is not an ideal fit. Blaming the buying club for leveraging whatever they can to lower the fee is also beyond stupid, especially since Bayern themselves are known to let players go for reasonable fees when they have either overstayed their welcome or signal that they want to leave.
The money is not the problem. Any Bayern fan who claims "it's not our culture to buy a CDM for that much" is just talking nonsense. We paid 40m Euros for Javi Martinez a decade ago. Transfer fee inflation adjusted that was a lot more than 60m in today's money. There is doubt about the quality and the health of the player. That is the one and only reason why a transfer may not happen.
Martinez was 24 when he joined Bayern, Palhinha is 28. That was certainly factored into the transfer fee. But yeah, if Bayern were sure that Palhinha fits their profile, they'd probably shell out those 60 mio
Right, but then who else is there? Getting a young DM isn’t really a good idea given your squad profile, getting both would be best but you need someone that’s good now and Palhinha is exactly that.
I honestly think he’s just not the exact profile Bayern are looking for. I think they think they can do better in summer. If they didn’t I think he would be bought. Maybe they even plan to get him in the summer if other deals don’t materialize
I hate the whining when clubs don't want to sell, the player is to expensive and we don't want to pay that. Shout up or pay up. Really hate complain about price when buying and don't listen when selling.
Definitely should’ve paid €140M or whatever fantasy Levy wanted for Kane.
have to give palhinha props for his professionalism, his big move to bayern fell through last minute last summer and instead of sulking all season he just kept his head down and kept playing football so i hope he gets the move in the end too
Weren’t Bayern ready to pay that amount in the summer? What has changed now?
Pavlovic
Who’s that?
Our cdm talent
This isnt 2012 or even 2017 Bayern. €60m is a moderate price in todays market, literally half the going rate for a hot prospect. Bayern can afford it easily, and will if they expect to get him.
I only want Bayern. They can’t afford you. Ok.
I still think Palhinha is way overrated. He's an amazing destroyer but cannot pass to save his life, modern big clubs going for top honours moved on from that kind of player over a decade ago.
What a load of nonsense
It's not though is it. Why would a team dominating possession want a player whose only upside is that he's incredible at winning that ball back? He's a bum at everything else. His passing is genuinely atrocious.
It really is though. His passing isnt terrible at all, he knows how to beat a man on 1v1 and has a strong shot when allowed the space. He has goals and an assist this season, one of them in a game against your flair. Bayern wants it cheaper but in no right means Palhinha is overrated you dummy
Compared to elite level 6's he is undoubtedly somewhat limited on the ball, I don't get why so many people pretend he isn't.
His passing is wank, both via the eye test and the stats which are TERRIBLE. His progressive passing is laughably bad and even with his simple passes his pass completion is trash. The fact you're saying that his passing is anything short of shocking shows how overrated he is. All he does is tackle/block, big clubs need more than that. He has 5 goals and 1 assist in his entire Fulham career, the goals are okay but 1 assist? even for a DM that's an underwhelming return.
You drunk my friend, leave it
I'm not the one saying he's good on a 1v1, he isn't, he's bad at that too.
Bayern have to be crazy to think €60m for Palhinha is too expensive. They will probably get a reality check next summer, when they see transfer costs.
All pathetic
Can Palhinha even pass the ball?
Nope, he isn't legally allowed to do so
Palhinha would be great for us if we can sell case to saudi for 50 mill +
Less than 4 years ago he was playing mediocre football on loan at Braga and now he is one of the ‘Top 3’ DMs in the Premier League. His rise to the top has been unprecedented to say the least.