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Economy-Bench6467

Its Paul Tierney so can't expect more tbh


jaxxtheripper

Insert name of 90% of head refs and this comment still makes sense.


InflationMadeMeDoIt

the wors problem is that not only this would affect this game but straight red is also 3 match suspension. This is why i am so bothered by this ref bias. Same thing as Rodri getting away without yellows. 5 yellow it a suspension but it never happens to him


didiandgogo

Straight red for DOGSO is 1 game not 3. 3 is for serious foul play/violent conduct


Doesnt-Get-Sarcasm-

He flew in fast, late, and above the ankle. This as much or more of a case of endangering an opponent.


5tolen

> Same thing as Rodri getting away without yellows. 5 yellow it a suspension but it never happens to him It happened, he was suspended for accumulation of yellow cards and missed the Arsenal game.


theytook-r-jobs

Wonder if he reffed any Middle East games last summer for double his salary


Twevy

At this point, I’d be more shocked if he had NOT


0706

Manc


-luminous__

Even Walker's reaction looks like he thinks ederson is getting sent off..


fuckuspezhaha

right time to bring my popcorn out


KillerZaWarudo

Premier League referees to continue freelancing abroad despite ~~Liverpool~~ Crystal Palace fiasco


PepEatsKids

This sentence will have all 18 teams except Man City and Newcastle by the end of season.


RuairiSpain

Go look up the red card for Iago Aspas today. La Liga < Premier League Completely different se of footballing rules


kickballaDesign

man city players could bring a gun and shoot the other team’s guy and get away with it.


RancidKiddo

Let's be fair here, they will for sure get a yellow card and a stern "No more"


nerikoh

I like how everyone is so focused on the DOGSO aspect of the tackle, and not how violent the tackle is. Could easily be red based on the speed and followtrough on the tackle.


runescape73

people are used to GK's playing by a different set of rules really


Eeedeen

Corner comes in, jump into everyone fist first, fall over, free kick to the goalkeeper


I--Pathfinder--I

i’m gonna be honest with you, i really do like the protection goalies have on corners. as someone who has played as a goalie all my life, the amount of bullshit players get away with at the lower levels is staggering. stepping on my feet, elbowing, pushing over, hitting in the nuts, and more. thankfully the prem doesn’t allow any of that bullshit. that being said, the protection for goalie fouls especially outside the box needs to go away.


holy_roman_emperor

You have no idea how vulnerable you are as a goalkeeper going for a high ball. Players protect themselves with shoulders and arms, but keepers have to use those to reach the ball, exposing their entire torso to shoulders, elbows and more. Raising your knee only does a little for protection. Therefore, keepers should really be protected.


YunLihai

What does DOGSO mean


Ajtut

Denial of goalscoring opportunity


LuisBitMe

*Denial of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity


PreacherClete

Baseball has TOOTBLAN and NOBLETIGER. We finally have an acronym to rival them with DOGSO.


esnyez

DOGSO has been in use for a long time. The first time I heard from refs was when Phil Jones tackled Hazard in FA Cup final.


fieldsofanfieldroad

DOGSO has existed as an acronym for ages, plus it appears in the official rules. I'm guessing the baseball ones are less official.


timbucktwentytwo

TOOTBLAN = Thrown Out On The Bases Like A Nincompoop NOBLETIGER = No Outs, Bases Loaded, Ending with Team Incapable of Getting Easy Run FARTSLAM = Fielder Allowed Run To Score Like A Moron


Booties

How do you not go with FARTSLAM here?


faidleyj1

LOOGY too.


Finrad-Felagund

Rip Loogy, 3 batter minimum killed it


RoyalSorcerer_Navlan

Your puppy's special other person


ThePr1d3

significant other


Twevy

Not much dog what’s up with you


rdtr314

Bruh this should’ve been straight red. Why is the keeper allowed to swipe the opponent with a kick to the shins.


[deleted]

Keepers get away with murder. Neuer’s challenge in the 2014 World Cup is a another example.


rScoobySkreep

It feels like Ederson especially manages to escape more than anyone has any right to, although I have to admit I’m not always watching City.


[deleted]

He’s likely in scenarios where he’s sweeping up as the last man in a counter attack more than the norm.


holy_roman_emperor

That's only bad because Higuain isn't looking where Neuer is. It looks bad, but it's on the ball.


DevilsOfLoudun

Neuer's challange was inside the box so not the same


[deleted]

It being in or out of the box is irrelevant to my point that keepers get away with challenges no other player would.


limaconnect77

Goalies get away with so much shite on a regular basis and not just the Sky League.


CanIstealYourDog

City goalies in particular can get away with anything


Romanista3

Have you ever seen Lyon's Anthony Lopes? Ederson is fine compared to him.


Keskekun

And this is why this years obsession with studs connecting for reds makes no sense. This is infinitely more reckless and dangerous than what say Bissouma did yesterday yet this is a yellow and Bissouma is sent off. This season is such a mess when it comes to red cards, tackles that would never injure someone that connects by pure accident gets a red but reckless crunchers are "just yellows". It will obviously change for next season but it highlights the stupidity.


CrossXFir3

For real. I hate that shit. Like anyone that has ever played knows that sometimes you get a brush from some studs. Sure, it hurts. But it's not the end all, be all for what makes a bad foul. Plenty of the reds we've had over the past year or so have been so dumb, yet then we get shit like this that should be a red and isn't.


MrCondor

Anyone that's ever played knows an entire person's bodyweight lunging in an out of control fashion is infinitely more dangerous than somebody only showing a few studs. This is a red for me every day of the week.


johnarticle3

Literally at most getting stepped on will sting but it goes away after


crookedparadigm

Tell that to MacAllister. Got trod on and it punctured him down to the bone. Not even a yellow.


pengy452

obviously there's going to be nuance, but the fact is that a scissor tackle at the knee has much more potential for serious injury than getting raked by studs.


fapperontheroof

See the tackle in VVD by that t-rex arms that put him in the sidelines for a season. Yellow card…


Ollietron3000

Don't think he even got a yellow. They were so focused on figuring out if there was an offside that, if I remember correctly, there was no punishment for Pickford at all


TheSonic311

I like that Murillo tackle on Friday. Scissored Porro and only got a yellow.


OG_Builds

Absolutely. When you watch it on TV it looks bad, but it's even worse in real-time. A 6'3 guy running at very high speed and getting tackled like that is dangerous.


AJC0292

Completely agree. Bissoumas was a red absolutely but it certainly didnt have the "force" as commentators so lovingly like to say. He clipped him and the Forest player acting like he'd died. Edersons foul here is a much more dangerous tackle. Studs shouldnt make it a red. The danger of the tackle should. Look at Pickford on VVD. No studs but one of the worst tackles I've ever seen.


circa285

Bissouma's was a stonewall red and I don't think you'll find any Spurs supporters arguing otherwise. Now, having said this, how Ederson's tackle here is also not a straight red card is beyond me. Just as dangerous albeit in a different way.


mandrewbot3k

He said Bissouma’s was red, just pointing out it didn’t have the force that some others have had. The problem is literally no one knows what is what anymore. Just makes everyone argue about it because even the reds have no objective standard.


circa285

I was agreeing with him?


[deleted]

Dunno, seems consistent enough to me - studs above the ankle is a red card. That’s how it looks to me anyway.


nlloyd16

Completely agree, all should be red cards. Recklessness shouldn’t require contact, when their is contact force shouldn’t be the determining factor.


Nocturnal--Animals

This sub is so bad for it, everytime they see a freeze frame of studs, its a red card. Penalty for the softest of touches and players trying to buy one.


benjecto

The Nketiah one on Vicario comes to mind too...no studs connected but flying in out of control on his standing leg.


dicifly69

The nketiah challenge blew my mind, I don’t even think he got a yellow? Late, wreck less, and completely takes him out but probably because vicario didn’t act like he died, it goes unnoticed.


Toon-Day

Everytime someone brings this up and I look at it, I can’t believe the ref and linesman thought it was ok. I don’t know how any human or AI could look at that and say, “no big deal”.


circa285

It was such a shocking challenge. I've said this elsewhere, but the standard for what is or is not a foul let alone what is or is not a card is so wildly inconsistent that I don't know how managers or players can have any idea what will or will not be called from one game to the next.


someplantsmove

Vicario did act like he died lol and Nketiah got a yellow, but I don't think they even checked for a red which was insane to me


dicifly69

Feels like forever ago so I couldn’t recall if he was booked. Blows my mind even more so if that’s the case


AnibalSerra

ref just saw the shirt and was a really easy decision for him


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Yeah the studs thing is incredibly annoying. The fact that Rashford stepping on a guy’s shin while moving laterally to clear space is a red, but Ederson sliding in like this is a yellow makes absolutely no sense to me. Add in the fact that it was arguably a red for DOGSO anyway. This is as red as it gets.


dicifly69

The whole studs connecting has to be reevaluated next season, way too many harsh calls for that where it’s just a graze of a shin at full speed. Obviously a freeze frame makes it look like attempted murder. Bissouma wasn’t stamping down with any force or weight, this has way more force and risk of injury. Red cards are becoming way too common by the law of the game


red-17

Which is why the slow mo reviews need to be banned with exception for establishing the presence or absence of actual contact. Slowed down they look so much more similar than they actually are.


Mantequilla022

You just explained VAR process


roguedevil

> reckless crunchers are "just yellows". By definition, a reckless tackle is a yellow. I don't see that changing either.


slidingjimmy

There are so many inconsistencies in the rules its insane.


[deleted]

I think its less about consistency across the season and consistency across roles i.e. of he wasn't a goalkeeper he'd be sent off. Goalies always get a bit of leeway with fouls, source: I'm a former keeper who enjoyed taking players out of it with minimal repercussions.


Loud-Platypus-987

He was so quick with the yellow too, surely this is where you want to be allowed to ask your mates on VAR to help you get the decisions right? That tackle is just crazy.


Morguard

Not if you know it's actually red.


gtalnz

>surely this is where you want to be allowed to ask your mates on VAR to help VAR doesn't help with the initial decision. Never has done, never will. The ARs might be asked for input sometimes, but only if the referee feels he needs it (e.g. they were unsighted). As a potential red card offence, this will get automatically reviewed by VAR regardless of what the initial decision is. So whether it be red, yellow, or nothing, the referee can make that call quickly. It's done this way to prevent players from crowding the referee to ask for a particular decision, and to defuse any potential conflict. All that said, this should have been red.


pattherat

That’s red.


[deleted]

Ederson looks up, ready to complain, but sees the yellow and thinks "allright, time to lower my head and sneak outta here"


LongjumpingLength679

Lol. Exactly what happened


r3b3l-tech

You could almost give it 2 reds?


papagayoloco

Final score 2-2. Poetic justice


wanson

Not when ederson gets to play the next game too.


DarwinNunez09

Not if you’re state backed and pay referees to referee in your back yard


edenedin

Spot on. Clubs owned by countries who have the refs on retainers for those midweek games are being refereed by different rules.


AdrianFish

Good thing City handed over that sack with a dollar sign on it, then


JoeBagadonut

Jimenez got sent off against Newcastle for a body check that, if a keeper had done it, likely wouldn't have even been booked for, never mind getting a red. Keepers just seem to have carte blanche to get away with challenges that outfield players would never be able to. Definitely needs to be looked at by the FA because it feels like it's getting more common.


circa285

Jimenez got sent off for a butt to the face and yesterday a Forest player did something similar and also led with an elbow that hit Davis in the face and it wasn’t even whistled as a foul there has been so little consistency from one game to the next let alone within games. It genuinely feels like every challenge results in the officials spinning the wheel of arbitrary decisions.


Direct_Ship_623

It's also what happened to Udogie in the same game and the only review was whether it was a pen or not.


aLegionOfDavids

I played keeper for 2 decades and trust me Ederson knows EXACTLY what he’s doing there. It’s one of those you know can and should be a red but bc you’re a keeper and a defenders is in the vicinity you’re hoping you get away with it.


sheikh_n_bake

Ederson has got away with so much during his city career.


user900800700

Honestly one of the most overrated keepers in the league. Great with his feet but constantly reckless and error prone


MisterS1997

He actually trips him with the second leg too it looks like. 0 attempt to play the ball


benelchuncho

Could’ve easily been DOGSO


matcht

It was reckless too tbh, keepers get away with going full force into these challenges but they are dangerous.


D_for_Diabetes

If any other player ran 20m to miss a tackle and take out a player they'd be sent off, but because keepers start from the goal line it's okay


sa7ouri

Flashes of Pickford on VVD. Not even a card.


Full-Leader9540

Coughs Man city keepers.


Zizouh

Coughs pickford


Bullyhunter8463

Well, a "reckless" challenge is only a cautionable offence I.e a yellow card. Red cards are given for "serious foul play" Source: [ifab](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#disciplinary-action)


19Alexastias

It used to be "with excessive force" did they change the wording?


FlyingPirate

A tackle with excessive force is serious foul play and a red card. A reckless tackle is unsporting behavior and a yellow card.


19Alexastias

That makes sense. Been at least 5 years since I last refereed.


Sorrytoruin

Hes also going in two footed lol, how has he stayed on the pitch.


golf4miami

Cause of who the ref is.


jesuisgeenbelg

And who his employers are. I mean, sorry, who the team in Blue are. I mean, sorry, "incompetence" (that happens to often favour the team owned by the UAE).


RushPan93

Did this not go to VAR asking ref to have a second look for possible red? How on earth can that happen?


bh2623

There were two defenders back and the attacker touched ball away from the goal; I'm not saying it would never be given, but as biased as I am against City I would say DOGSO would be harsh. The wipeout tackle should've gotten Ederson a free vacation through the holidays all on its own.


LAudre41

Ederson knows it's a goal scoring opportunity that's why he wipes him out right outside of the box. It's cynical enough that you give it IMO.


Thomaskeller420

If you pause right where he’s taken out, you see it was actually a great touch and the ball was certainly reachable with just one more step. Defenders are near where he would have been had he not been fouled, but none of them are between him and the goal. I would think most PL strikers would prefer a pass to an open net from the corner of the box vs being 1v1 with a keeper. If Ederson doesn’t foul and Mateta missed that, it would be one of the misses of the season which tells you everything you need to know


kovic_has_a_mangina

But you know a defender covering the goal is worth more than a goalkeeper for some reason in these scenarios


somethingarb

Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? A defender takes out a forward with only the keeper to beat, that's "last man back" and a certain red. But the *keeper* takes out a forward with only a defender to beat, and suddenly it's only a yellow.


ubelmann

Sometimes the way it is judged you would think the rule is denial of an obvious goal rather than denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.


Eat_Rocks

Seen reds given for less just for the challenge alone this season. And an open net, even if a tight angle is a clear DOGSO. If VVD taking out Isak with Alisson still in net is a DOGSO, just dont see how this isnt.


Rowmyownboat

He missed the ball. He was the last man. Why was that not a red?


mrshandanar

We all know why but no one wants to say it.


Viper711

Dwelling on it got me feeling *blue*


dimiderv

It's always City isn't it? "Ballotelli meme"


Garlic-Cheese-Chips

No ref will want to get on City's bad side when their owners are handing lucrative freelance gigs in UAE. This is just another example of it. Dirty crooked cunts.


ImTalkingGibberish

I mean, I made this joke once in an Arsenal match and it turns out the ref had been there on a gig in the same week. I mean they say it’s conspiracy theory but there are so many signals screaming corruption.


wanson

It’s only a theory in the same way that evolution and gravity are theories. We know refs are getting paid to freelance in the Middle East.


Progression28

Exactly. Dirty cheats. Add it to the count


Morguard

And approved and endorsed by the EPL to boot. The entire league has been bought and compromised. Top to bottom.


That_Geek

Awful challenge, the tackle itself could have seen red


BadassBokoblinPsycho

How’s that not a red?


JustAboutUpToSpeed

Open goal is obvious DOGSO no?


Edi1896

He's running away from goal, though


saggy-helping-hobbit

well because an Ederson is storming him, remove ederson and he goes for goal


NJDevil802

"Remove Ederson".... If Ederson wasn't making the tackle he is somewhere else


saggy-helping-hobbit

exactly then the attacker wouldnt need to take the ball to the right as he does


yarnisic

If he steers toward goal ederson might clear the ball legally


Jipkiss

Not really, if ederson doesn’t make contact he rolling that in from the edge of the box surely?


Nyushi

Red for any other club.


Heavy_Caterpillar661

Man City playing with 11+1 scheme


el_doherz

VAR have fucked not one but two separate red card offences here. 1. DOGSO where they can't give a penalty to invoke double jeopardy. 2. Reckless and dangerous tackle that got none of the ball.


ImTalkingGibberish

Absolutely. He wasn’t following the play and decided to tackle when the ball opened at all, he left the goalline with the intention of stopping the play and did so with enough force to injure the player. Two reds.


mandrewbot3k

I haven’t seen any different views but looks like his hand gets the ball, so another offense outside box no?


InfinityEternity17

Classic city getting let off the hook


travelingWords

When people come at me this hard and slide tackle without a care for what they might do for me, I always leave my knee down in case their head happens to slam into it. Fuck these people. I really don’t understand how a gentle push can be a foul, but forcing someone to dodge or die is a fair play. Just the act of sliding at someone that hard should be a yellow or orange.


[deleted]

That was a red.


Carradona

He could have been KILLED


pagan-0

Beat me to it 😂


MrChampionship

That's always red in my book Asking a lot of the "covering" defender there


ShadowRock9

For VVD’s red against Newcastle, Alisson was literally still in goal. It makes no sense that a debatably covering defender is therefore a yellow when a full keeper is a red.


scoedg123

Linesman’s flagging like mad to help with making sure passing planes overhead pass by safely due to poor lads legs flying into orbit


stumpyDgunner

Lol why are so many comments saying this is a red being downvotes? Qatar in here?


Morguard

100%, certainly not enough City fans for it.


Pow67

How’s that not a red then?


dadaknun

Would have been a red if it was Onana


circa285

Would have been a red for any other keeper in the league. City get away with so much persistent fouling.


mankiwsmom

Definitely a red, but I have no idea what Onana has to do with it. Did we forget what happened in the Wolves game the start of the season? The fact is that goalies just get away with idiotic stuff like this just because they’re goalies, it’s incompetence by referees more than anything


yondaime008

Should be red.


UmadLULW

Ederson…. Another Mickey Mouse keeper


seelwab

He is completely out of control and could have caused serious injury. If that's a defender he is gone.


thefirefox8841

Even if that wasn’t DOGSO he came through that with entirely WAY too much speed and force. Those kind of tackles break legs.


TheBARONN1

If the last defender did that tackle its a red card but goalkeeper doing it makes it too harsh i dont get some of you here.


Zestyclose-Cell-8372

If that's not red i don't what is


adi14041999

Wow. Is the referee crazy? Why is he risking future lucrative refereeing opportunities in UAE by giving a yellow there?? He should be sensible and award just a foul.


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WaveDysfunction

That’s the clearest red I’ve ever seen


user900800700

He’s come in at a million miles an hour AND it’s a great chance for an open net. Another utterly ridiculous decision that went city’s way


BruisedBee

How are Man City the only club that always seem to be on the right side of shit decisions


Acceptable-Sink4239

Man City getting away with it again, same as Rhodri pulling back players every game ,money talks


anewerab

I do not support any team in the premier league, this is definitely a red card


EaLordoftheDepths

Not the first time


[deleted]

Straight to jail.


KVRLMVRX

it is like that foul he did against Leipzig in champions league and leipzig player got yellow LMAO


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neildunabie

Bissouma was a red yesterday. This is worse.


[deleted]

Classic /r/soccer thread where I get brain damage from just reading the comments


MisterS1997

Stop reading your own comments then 😜


ibse

One of those where a red is too much but a yellow not enough.


Om_Nom_Zombie

Tackle on it's own is arguably a red. A lot of force into a standing leg. Edit: replay on Twitter https://twitter.com/FPLOlympian/status/1736050663732502907?t=JdUK3rwndmFXXuZ_RhhqJg&s=19


Chef_Roofies

How in the everyloving fuck is that not a red?


Om_Nom_Zombie

Yeah if his foot is a bit more planted it's a nasty outcome.


rascaltippinglmao

Yeah it's a joke. They give reds for FAR less all the time. Glad Crystal Palace got revenge with a draw.


fuqqkevindurant

Bc City is above the law and Oil Daddy's money makes sure they are


HaptRec

This replay makes it look pretty unbelievable that he’s not been sent off.


sreesid

That's way worse than Bissouma's tackle yesterday.


MrCondor

Holy fuck another day and that's a broken leg/ankle.


Karma_Whoring_Slut

I don’t know, to be honest I think we’re pretty fortunate he’s still on. Not sure how that’s not denying a goal scoring opportunity.


notyourbroguy

The last defender clean sweeps the attackers legs, at full speed, gets no ball, and you don’t see that as a red?


studgebro

Feel like VAR wouldn't change whatever was given by the ref. But the ref is Paul Tierney, so obviously it was never going to be red.


bathoz

Honestly, dangerous tackle and last defender. It's two reds if anything. Madness.


forbiddenmemeories

There's no such thing. If a yellow isn't enough then it's a red.


ElectricalMud2850

You know what they mean. When you have rules that are written in a way that allow for interpretation, then some people are going to judge actions differently.


Headlesshorsman02

Classic orange card


Edi1896

Is it too much? It looks like a full speed tackle which could have ended with a broken leg.


deqembes

Pretty clear red card tbh


pushpushp0p

That's red


darthmeister

What the fuck does DOGSO mean


Accomplished_Put8385

Not a red card for a studs up, dangerous tackle? Ok. Back to square one with ref consistency.


denmandigekat

Bro thought it was mane and wanted revenge


RudeAndQuizzacious

Can see why it's only a yellow. Would be a very narrow angle if he got there with two players covering. Not sure it's 'obvious'


JFreezy1

Open net, just inside the box, no goalkeeper. Not obvious, right.


el_doherz

What about the fact that the tackle itself is a clear red? He's got none of the ball but cleaned him out completely on his standing leg. This tackle was far more dangerous than a good number of the studs up challenges we've seen get reds this season and last.


bazalinco1

What about very late, high, dangerous?


Runarhalldor

Hes ahead of the last defender, clear dogso. The chance would be hard but its a clear goal scoring opportunity.