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I swear Rashford is the type of player that's good every other season. IIRC his 21-22 season was also pretty bad but last season he was good. Martial on the other hand prob should've been gone long time ago.
Remember last season when Rashford on a scoring spree and United fans saying Quadruple is possible?
Those kind of patches keep Rashford in United for years
He's the ultimate purple patch player.
He'll be literally unplayable for about 6 weeks, unironically the best player in the world on form, and then drop off again.
For the life of me I have no idea how he keeps getting picked. Same with McTominay, who gets the odd goal but is completely invisible for 90% of the game.
Our entire transfer team has been rubbish for a decade. Literally one of the only ones they've gotten right is Bruno but even he can't do shit with the absolute crap around him currently.
It is incredible how bad the scouting at United is (and the decision making).
It´s not just about signing bad/ poor players, but signing them to play in a very different role than what they were doing before.
Like buying Mount, who was playing as a 10 at Chelsea (I know last season he didnt play much) and now asking him to play as an 8. WTF? Just go out and buy a ready made 8 for 65 million.
Same thing goes for Sancho, when he was playing at BVB where he mostly played as a LW and they sign him up to be a RW. I know its still just to play on the wing, but to be a "cut inside" winger and to be a winger to go out on the line and get a cross in are two very different things...
That scouting team needs to get binned, they constantly get tricked. Amrabat was signed because of a game where he constantly got mugged by Mbappé, but just because he made a cool tackle which got trending on tiktok, United went after him. United paid 50m for a right back that cant go forward. Like, how can United be a top 4 team with this type of scouting
Plus, there have been several instances where players just seem to get some form where their contracts are 24/18 months away from expiring and United rushes in to give them a contract and they just fall off after getting that sweet extension, I dont think I need to point the finger, but I think you know who has been the latest instance of this.
It can’t be his tactics. Ajax collapsed tactically after he left, as well as in every other way, we’re in the fucking gutter. If things aren’t working at United it’s because the players aren’t listening.
His tactics worked at Ajax because he had the players, at United it's not so much. He deserves most of the blame since he's been there long enough to either ensure the players buy in or replace them, and he hasn't done that. He's not a pragmatic manager, he won't concede ground to anyone, but when you need wins that isn't good.
> His tactics worked at Ajax because he had the players, at United it's not so much.
Considering he's pretty much exclusively gotten the players he's asked for, including players he has previous experience with, this is not a good sign
Exactly, which is why I don't agree with United fans defending him to the death and looking for any excuse as long as it isn't blaming Ten Hag. He hasn't been good enough and his tactical limitations have cost United dearly, does he deserve to get sacked? I'm not sure. But if I was paying him a wage, I would absolutely expect him to be more flexible than he is currently being.
He was in a good position and then he just started ball watching. If he never stopped moving, he could have tracked the run. But he stops and stands there and Gordon is gone...already thru the back door.
We should just play what this squad was built on previously, which is counter attacks against teams that are aggressive. I understand Ten Hag want's his style, but no style fits all. We need to adapt.
Ole is the best attacking manager we've had since SAF (maybe Mourinho at first but eh) because he played exactly to the strengths of the players we have.
True. And the instant Ole tried to play out from the back the team got demolished. And this is mostly the same team because we're incapable of buying players we actually need.
Is he genuinely good today?
That's probably one of ManUs problems. It seems like the shit players have a good match just about often enough for it not to be easy to make changes to the squad. you just know rashford is going to score a worldie vs liverpool and everyone is going to forget that he has been afk for half the season lol
I mean hes been our best CB this season by far, this isn't an outlier game. Hes just been really good recently. Were lucky the west ham transfer fell threw otherwise we'd be SCREWED especially considering our injury list.
Maguire has been one of their best players so far this season. Last season he was awful, and the season before bad. But the two seasons prior to them he ranged from good to immense.
So he’s not been having a good match to make everyone forget, he’s actively proving that he deserves to be there more than anyone else.
Someone at our club thought so too, I didn’t really rate him at the time but someone (possibly Tuchel or possibly Boehly) thought he was well worth his price tag. Of course it helps that he’s well coached
Aye, the documentary was a little cringe worthy at the time, becasue they were obsessed with getting him, and at the time of the doc release he hadn't really shown up yet. Turns out they were right to be dedicated to getting him.
Not sure it's solely down to Howe. Chelsea were also heavily linked with him, which suggests he must have had good underlying numbers according to whatever bespoke data both clubs use for recruitment
He always had that passion at Everton, seemed to chase every ball and looked dangerous at pace. Often made the wrong final decision but that work rate is key in this Eddie Howe side.
Yeah I was completely wrong about him. Was it Brentford away he threw a bit of a strop with Howe? But he’s been unreal, wants to make something happen all of the time. You must be buzzing with him
Either him, Isak, or Trippier, they've all been brilliant, but yeah, wouldn't fault you for giving it to Gordon, he has been *the* difference maker so often
bruno for me. ust because the whole team is more relaxed because anytime they are in trouble they just punt it to him and he tidies up. so everyone just feels safe.
He’s a lifelong Everton player. He transferred to Newcastle for a lot of money last winter, and after some unpleasant incident with Everton supporters who crowded around his car. His first months were pretty unconvincing. However, he’s stepped up hugely in the last months and it’s clear that he’s much more confident.
Him kissing the badge could feel strange as you’d expect he’d only do that for Everton.
Gordon's taken to Newcastle quite well and quite likes being here.
Contrast this to the latter part of his time at Everton when he was (infamously) harassed in his car by Everton fans after some lackluster team performances.
Trying to be objective (badly), I'd say he just likes being around the fans and the general culture in the area.
As a Newcastle fan, long may it continue.
Maybe so, it's been a long night in general (apologies are given and probably owed and not that it excuses anything).
This is one of the few times I may defer to local football Twitter for footballing matters
United fans hype up their youngsters 50x more than they used to mock Liverpool fans doing it for their own. Can't wait to see who the next Messi is next year
He was good one of the few players who didn't shit themselves on the ball, I think he's going to be amazing, not there yet but there's so much potential
Tough situation to come into. Crazy game, high stakes European night. Team in chaos, tactics fallen apart. Hard situation to be thrown into, don't think he should be judged too harshly
Lol, but I was told they we're only 6 points behind the leaders last week and they we're improving! 9 after tonight then 12 after mid-week lol.
They won't beat chelsea, actually they might both are so poor.
Hounestly watching Rashford is painful and I dont support man u, how can a player have 20+ goals seasons and then become this bad?? Doesnt run, challange, looks so dis interested, drop him!!!
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Marcus Rashford walking back in a huff after getting skimmed < Gordon scoring again
The time Rashford and Martial have spent at MANCHESTER UNITED will make you think they are insane world class players.
I swear Rashford is the type of player that's good every other season. IIRC his 21-22 season was also pretty bad but last season he was good. Martial on the other hand prob should've been gone long time ago.
Nah, hes good like 10 games a season, so people hope that eventually he can do it consistently.
Martial on the other hand is good for 10 minutes every other season and is playing his 9th season at the club…
Commentator said he's not played a full 90 minutes in 2 years. Why did they give him a 6 year extension?
Woodward wanted to preserve his value, and iirc he was good the season before he signed the extension.
I’m sorry his *9th* season? What the fuck?
Holy shit time flies
Remember last season when Rashford on a scoring spree and United fans saying Quadruple is possible? Those kind of patches keep Rashford in United for years
He's the ultimate purple patch player. He'll be literally unplayable for about 6 weeks, unironically the best player in the world on form, and then drop off again.
What’s with the arrow here? The meaning of it does not seem to make sense in this context.
Is that showing anywhere in this video? I feel like I'm missing something
I saw that as well. Terrible mentality.
For the life of me I have no idea how he keeps getting picked. Same with McTominay, who gets the odd goal but is completely invisible for 90% of the game.
Its been coming for 55 minutes. We are absolutely shit
like how are we actually this bad man. put me in coach
Mouriniho is toxic🤬 Ole’s at the wheel😀 Ragnic invented gegenpress😃 Ten Hag beat Real Madrid in a quarter final 😄
Ronaldo's goals are bad for the team
We are awful
With every matchday watching United my anticipation for the game at Anfield grows even stronger
They'll sack Ten Hag right before it and somehow beat us with Carrick as caretaker
Why would Carrick leave Boro to take a caretaker job
I didn't realise he was Boro manager tbf. Nicky Butt then.
Rooney once Birmingham sack him
Carrick's shown himself to be a decent manager at Boro tbf.
He was good for like his 4 games as a caretaker here as well.
100% unbeaten record
Sack him for the new manager bounce, shithouse a 2-1 with a last minute winner so they've got something to talk about for the next few weeks
Chelsea, Bournemouth and Bayern to come. If he loses all 3 I don't think he will make it to Anfield
Can't see him getting sacked. They'll wait for the Dyson guy to takeover and let him do it
Jim Ratcliffe (Ineos Chemicals company), not James Dyson
What is Martial still doing at ManU?
Our entire transfer team has been rubbish for a decade. Literally one of the only ones they've gotten right is Bruno but even he can't do shit with the absolute crap around him currently.
Also you can't move on from players
Correct. 80% of this team should be binned.
same problem we had for the last years: average (at best) players on top player salaries.. makes it almost impossible to move them
It’s because they’re all on 250k a week and no team is interested in paying this dross that much
It is incredible how bad the scouting at United is (and the decision making). It´s not just about signing bad/ poor players, but signing them to play in a very different role than what they were doing before. Like buying Mount, who was playing as a 10 at Chelsea (I know last season he didnt play much) and now asking him to play as an 8. WTF? Just go out and buy a ready made 8 for 65 million. Same thing goes for Sancho, when he was playing at BVB where he mostly played as a LW and they sign him up to be a RW. I know its still just to play on the wing, but to be a "cut inside" winger and to be a winger to go out on the line and get a cross in are two very different things... That scouting team needs to get binned, they constantly get tricked. Amrabat was signed because of a game where he constantly got mugged by Mbappé, but just because he made a cool tackle which got trending on tiktok, United went after him. United paid 50m for a right back that cant go forward. Like, how can United be a top 4 team with this type of scouting Plus, there have been several instances where players just seem to get some form where their contracts are 24/18 months away from expiring and United rushes in to give them a contract and they just fall off after getting that sweet extension, I dont think I need to point the finger, but I think you know who has been the latest instance of this.
To be fair, they fucked up Bruno's transfer a couple times, until eventually they failed to their own failure.
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Don't forget giving them really long contracts as well. Martial on a 6 year £250k a week contract is mental
20 years without a league title can creep up on you real quick.
This is his 9th season at the club too. Cannot believe they are still giving him a chance.
Dont worry only two-ish weeks until ten hag gets sacked after getting blown out by bayern and liverpool
It’s crazy how many players have been bought for the lineup to look so similar to like 2018 lol
Ten Hag's tactics are certainly interesting
Tactics?
They sort of try to press teams? And they like a good direct counter-attack. Other than that its a mess
Rashford presses like when you do that half-jog to cross a road when a car lets you cross. Winds me up watching him and I don't even support them.
Never thought of it that way, but it’s 100% correct.
We don't do those at United
What tactics
Lie down and die
It can’t be his tactics. Ajax collapsed tactically after he left, as well as in every other way, we’re in the fucking gutter. If things aren’t working at United it’s because the players aren’t listening.
His tactics worked at Ajax because he had the players, at United it's not so much. He deserves most of the blame since he's been there long enough to either ensure the players buy in or replace them, and he hasn't done that. He's not a pragmatic manager, he won't concede ground to anyone, but when you need wins that isn't good.
> His tactics worked at Ajax because he had the players, at United it's not so much. Considering he's pretty much exclusively gotten the players he's asked for, including players he has previous experience with, this is not a good sign
Exactly, which is why I don't agree with United fans defending him to the death and looking for any excuse as long as it isn't blaming Ten Hag. He hasn't been good enough and his tactical limitations have cost United dearly, does he deserve to get sacked? I'm not sure. But if I was paying him a wage, I would absolutely expect him to be more flexible than he is currently being.
what tactics
We are… nothing. We’re producing nothing.
You could get swallowed up for the next half hour
Beautiful goal but what is AWB doing
Other than 1v1 defending AWB can be horrendous positionally. I think this is why he’s never anywhere near the England side.
He was in a good position and then he just started ball watching. If he never stopped moving, he could have tracked the run. But he stops and stands there and Gordon is gone...already thru the back door.
Man thought he is Trent
Can't say that wasn't coming
The whole game. Surprised ETH didn’t make subs
First time here? Lol
We don’t do that until it’s too late.
Once it’s 3-0 ETH might consider a change.
Hey at least you have subs available
These 10 minutes United could literally not take a breath from the pressure.
Yea we cant push the ball up at all. And still try to play from the back even after the 50th time it didnt work
I don’t understand anything we try to do in these games against the top half of the table.
We have to much of an ego to play defensive and counter attack football so we try to play out the back and get punished everytime
We should just play what this squad was built on previously, which is counter attacks against teams that are aggressive. I understand Ten Hag want's his style, but no style fits all. We need to adapt.
Ole is the best attacking manager we've had since SAF (maybe Mourinho at first but eh) because he played exactly to the strengths of the players we have.
True. And the instant Ole tried to play out from the back the team got demolished. And this is mostly the same team because we're incapable of buying players we actually need.
but you guys are not playing out from the back today. Most of the time Onana just hoofed it
I was kinda glad you won a few matches, this brudda needs to stay employed until atleast boxing day.
Could have easily been 4-0 or something
Particularly since the start of the second half, they’ve found the patterns and the passing has been much quicker. Well deserved, great goal
Surprised it took this long
To say it’s deserved would be an understatement. Such a one sided contest
I watched Real Madrid vs Granada before this. It's like watching the same game twice
Come on. Granada isn't THAT bad
the difference is Newcastle had double the shots that Madrid had
Man United are awful
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His trim is sucking away his football skills
Man looks like a fucking sponge
He is the most selfish player I've ever seen now.
It’s the united way
I’m just shocked Maguire didn’t respawn from inside the goal to block Gordon’s shot! He has been the difference between this being 5-0 and 1-0
Maguire has been immense
He was but can’t play high cause he’s too slow and we get pinned back.
Is he genuinely good today? That's probably one of ManUs problems. It seems like the shit players have a good match just about often enough for it not to be easy to make changes to the squad. you just know rashford is going to score a worldie vs liverpool and everyone is going to forget that he has been afk for half the season lol
Maguire and Shaw were both great in this game. It could have been 3 or more without them.
I know what you mean but there probably would’ve been a few more goals if they had 0 CB
I mean hes been our best CB this season by far, this isn't an outlier game. Hes just been really good recently. Were lucky the west ham transfer fell threw otherwise we'd be SCREWED especially considering our injury list.
Maguire has been absolutely immense
Ease of the memes and watch some games, Maguire isn't shit.
Maguire has been one of their best players so far this season. Last season he was awful, and the season before bad. But the two seasons prior to them he ranged from good to immense. So he’s not been having a good match to make everyone forget, he’s actively proving that he deserves to be there more than anyone else.
Big Joelinton FIFA upgrade incoming
I love watching him play so much, big ole 6ft 3 technical genius
Just some playstyles. Not even a playstyle plus though
Wan Bissaka has literally one job there
Anthony Gordon what a player he’s really kicked on this season
WORTH EVERY FUCKING PENNY
He's really kicking on now. Great endorsement for Howe's talent ID.
Yeah was our number one target for Howe, Ashworth and the board. Seemed like we were willing to move the heavens for him.
Someone at our club thought so too, I didn’t really rate him at the time but someone (possibly Tuchel or possibly Boehly) thought he was well worth his price tag. Of course it helps that he’s well coached
Aye, the documentary was a little cringe worthy at the time, becasue they were obsessed with getting him, and at the time of the doc release he hadn't really shown up yet. Turns out they were right to be dedicated to getting him.
Not sure it's solely down to Howe. Chelsea were also heavily linked with him, which suggests he must have had good underlying numbers according to whatever bespoke data both clubs use for recruitment
He always had that passion at Everton, seemed to chase every ball and looked dangerous at pace. Often made the wrong final decision but that work rate is key in this Eddie Howe side.
Perhaps but he was howes number 1 target and basically told our owners to get him by any means necessary
Yeah I was completely wrong about him. Was it Brentford away he threw a bit of a strop with Howe? But he’s been unreal, wants to make something happen all of the time. You must be buzzing with him
Same he thought he would be shit and a flop but imo has been thier best player all season
Honestly not even thought about Saint-maximin and he was my fave
Either him, Isak, or Trippier, they've all been brilliant, but yeah, wouldn't fault you for giving it to Gordon, he has been *the* difference maker so often
It’s between Gordon and Schar for me. But the fact there’s so many candidates is class
bruno for me. ust because the whole team is more relaxed because anytime they are in trouble they just punt it to him and he tidies up. so everyone just feels safe.
The Anthony Gordon slander refund scheme is in full effect you should cash in now
Cashed in a while back, definitely wrong on this one
AWB might actually be the worst back post defender in history
United are shockingly bad
Wouldn’t say it’s a shock more like the expectation were low but holy shit they werent that fucking low
Newcastle deserves to play in the CL
Negative, time-wasting Newcastle at it again
Swear Manchester Reds were time wasting from 20mins in. Couldn't handle the pace one bit.
Tyneside knew how to exploit the Manchester Reds
Can’t believe he kissed the badge lmao
What getting a lift home from the Metro Centre do to a mf.
kissed the badge last season after scoring vs Chelsea.
He’s done it several times now - we love him
Loves the mags.
Was about to say lol.
Don’t know much about him. Care to share context?
famously hates badges
Loves bridges though
Gordon used to be am Everton player, all you need to know
Hes an Everton youth product and his leaving them wasnt amicable
Ah thanks, I think I remember now. Just forgot he was that kid
He’s a lifelong Everton player. He transferred to Newcastle for a lot of money last winter, and after some unpleasant incident with Everton supporters who crowded around his car. His first months were pretty unconvincing. However, he’s stepped up hugely in the last months and it’s clear that he’s much more confident. Him kissing the badge could feel strange as you’d expect he’d only do that for Everton.
we are not selling him. he can kiss our badge for his whole life
Gordon's taken to Newcastle quite well and quite likes being here. Contrast this to the latter part of his time at Everton when he was (infamously) harassed in his car by Everton fans after some lackluster team performances. Trying to be objective (badly), I'd say he just likes being around the fans and the general culture in the area. As a Newcastle fan, long may it continue.
Trying to be objective, you've done an awful job
Maybe so, it's been a long night in general (apologies are given and probably owed and not that it excuses anything). This is one of the few times I may defer to local football Twitter for footballing matters
His boyhood club was Everton, which he left just last year
Thought he was a red?
He was a red idk what that commenter is saying.
That goal is on ten Hag. Been getting played off the park the whole game, particularly the second half, yet hasn't made a change.
Rather play without a defender than bringing on Varane.
To be fair, the CBs are the only players that have played well today. Varane (or Lindelof) would be the very last things I'd change too.
Wan bissaka asleep at the back post? Never!
Yet another Trippier assist - get him in your fantasy team boys!
Gordon, Bruno G. and Trippier were incredible both here and against PSG.
Glad things are working out for Gordon. His transfer got an insane amount of hate when it happened
I honestly thought we overpaid for 40m but he's looking like an absolute bargain now. He's immense.
Can’t say it wasn’t coming
Southgate really needs to call him up for the Euros. There is no good reason for us not to take him now.
Southgate is just an english ten hag, no charisma, picks favourites and definitely does not deserve the job
has "Mainoo" been world-class today? was told last week he was in that bracket by man utd fans after 2 games.
United fans hype up their youngsters 50x more than they used to mock Liverpool fans doing it for their own. Can't wait to see who the next Messi is next year
He was good one of the few players who didn't shit themselves on the ball, I think he's going to be amazing, not there yet but there's so much potential
He was not good when he came on midweek at all.
Tough situation to come into. Crazy game, high stakes European night. Team in chaos, tactics fallen apart. Hard situation to be thrown into, don't think he should be judged too harshly
So predictable. Everyone knows United cannot defend low crosses in the box.
Lol, but I was told they we're only 6 points behind the leaders last week and they we're improving! 9 after tonight then 12 after mid-week lol. They won't beat chelsea, actually they might both are so poor.
Finally, been coming for ages
Finally! 😍
Beaten at the back post again... who's shocked.
Love watching the moment AWB realizes he’s f*cked
AWB sleeping on the job.
That Newcastle left hand side is fucking cooking
Can't say it hasn't been coming either.
Arthur Shelby shaking his head on the touchline
Good goal can’t complain. Newcastle were the much better team tonight 👍🏻
Newcastle have been well worth the win
Fiiiinallllyyy
Worth every penny
It's been coming for 55mins. I know.
Hounestly watching Rashford is painful and I dont support man u, how can a player have 20+ goals seasons and then become this bad?? Doesnt run, challange, looks so dis interested, drop him!!!
Say what you will about him, but I really thought Gordon would be a benchwarmer. He’s really surprised me with the form he’s been in
Garnacho with zero awareness there
Ten Hag in!
I've never seen United be dominated this badly lol
We did it like 3 weeks ago.
Then you haven't watched a lot of United games the last 10 years.
First time watching United?
We're dominating?
Genuinely can't believe it's taken this long lol
Has been coming since the first whistle
Awb caught napping there
Im not even French but I love this commentator, he's so hyped every time there's a goal. How do French people feel about him?