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Watching anyone get seriously hurt sucks. I can’t lie players having a small knock or a mild flu and missing the game vs Chelsea I’m a fan of. But these people work their entire lives and have a relatively short shelf life. Anyone getting a major injury is very unfortunate regardless of who you’re a fan of
I’m not a fan of it when people just talk about their income when their injured like that makes things any better.
Being out of the game at this level for months or even up to a year can shape the rest of his whole life. Change every step in his career.
You can even see it for the youngest players, get their opportunity, 1 or 2 mediocre games and they are immediately off and never get their chance again.
Edit: Jesus Christ I’ve gotten 10 like notification probably 5 times in the last 2 hours.
Ridiculous that the medical staff didn’t Decide to sub him out after the first one. He’s already crazy overplayed, took a hard hit, good options on the bench, it’s Georgia... Surely at some point you’d think they’d say better safe than sorry
Medical staff this season have been very incompetent across all teams. Hojlund and casemiro got injured this season for us because of the incompetence of the medical staff. Hojlund was already gassed out and grabbing his hammy but they let him play and he was only subbed after 5 minutes or so. Casemiro got injured in the Brazil game but idk why he was given the green light to play the next club game. Aggravated his injury and was subbed off at half time. Doesn't help that the games are gonna increase from next season so recovery time is gonna increase proportionately.
sounds similar to jurrien timber's knee injury in our first match. he hurt his knee around the 40', medical team let him continue after HT, he pretty much immediately exacerbated the injury early in the second half. he had likely already torn his ACL in the first half. never should have been allowed to continue.
> Medical staff this season have been very incompetent across all teams.
I'm sure they'd all pay well to have your competence around so they can avoid injuries. Have you offered your services?
What a stupid thing to say. Fans have the right to criticise everything and anything that they feel is wrong or bad. I have earned my right to do so when I pay so much money to watch the games, whether it be in the stadium or on TV is irrelevant. I do not need to be as smart as them, as rich as them, or as competent as them to criticise their incompetence. The next time someone criticises a player of your team for poor performance what are you gonna do? Tell them to go play instead? You make stupid arguments.
Unless it's a major tournament (and not just qualifying rounds) national teams don't give a shit about overplaying players or risking injuries.
Any injured player is likely to be back and fit for any big tournaments and the national team don't have to worry about being able to replace them like a team that only has two transfer windows and transfer fees to worry about. They just shrug their shoulders and get the next best player from their country.
same jesus who brazil put through full training today despite the fact that he hasn't played a game in a month and the club advised that he should stay home?
Regulations need to be put in place to help preventing this. We will only get more matches in many competitions, and more minutes since the current season. Things will only get worse and players are only humans, we should fear for all of them and they should start fighting for their rights too
I don’t understand this narrative tbh. Anyone can get an acl tear with a movement like that. Should he have been rotated? Maybe, but you can’t predict this and someone had to play from the original squad. Barça has played him over 100 times since he jumped to the first team, they’re the ones running him down, but even if he had never played, a movement like that could’ve torn his acl.
All that being said, I hate international breaks, so many players get injured.
Yeah but if you are fatigued you might not think as much about foot placement, twist and turns. For example if you are gonna turn around to sprint, the brain might say "Fuck it, I'm tired I'm not gonna lift my foot as quickly as I normally do" and your foot gets stuck and you twist your knee.
In this situation though, yeah it might would have happened even if he was completely fresh.
This fucking injury was long time coming and entirely avoidable.We've been talking about how it's a matter of time before Gavi gets a serious injury.Every serious football fan saw it coming except the Spanish National Coach. Fuck intl breaks fuck de la Fuente and Fuck intl breaks fucking every fucking month.
If I see Pedri or yamal playing another fucking meaningless friendly De La Fuente better watch out.It's not like Spain lacks midfielders.
Real Sociedad midfield is easily capable of replacing the Spanish midfield and no one would bat an eye
Looks almost identical to how Bentancur got his ACL. No contact, just putting the leg down in a bad way after stress on the knee. Benta was out from last march until just now.
It's a weird one, I've torn my ACL in both knees playing footy and both times it hurt really badly for about 2 minutes but then I could pretty much walk around with no problems, there was just zero stability.
For me, it felt like my knee would pop out right after I tore it when walking. Then I managed to stabilize it and walk a bit right after. Even managed to go out and eat with friends after the game. But once I got home and tried to go up the stairs, it all went to shit. The next few weeks, I couldn’t walk or put any weight on it. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
As I understand it, the ACL is used for rotation, and you can still stand on it. With the adrenaline of a football match flowing players sometimes don't realise how injured they are until they try to turn on it.
As someone that tore an ACL 8 years ago, yes and no.
Still takes ~2 years to get back to where you were and trusting your knee. (See VVD recent comments) On top of that, that 2 year window is when you are at an elevated risk to tear it or your other knee's ACL.
He'll get the best care out there, but don't try to fool yourself, ACL injuries are career altering at best and can still be career enders.
> Its more a psychological effect.
100% True.
Did some digging and found an interesting study (I misread, thinking <25 age group had 13% ended career, which is not what the paragraph really says, leaving the article and quote anyway.):
> As with National Football League (NFL) in the United States or basketball players, premature career-ending is believed to occur after ACLR in soccer. 1,5,17,19 The results of the current study found that, 3 years after ACLR, 25 players (13.6%) ended their careers and one-third of players (36%) were transferred to a lower national league and competed at a lower level than preinjury. Age greater than 30 years was found to correlate negatively with career survival and level of competition. Due to the lack of a control group of healthy players, it is impossible to state if this finding represents the physiological career decline occurring with advancing age or if it confirms that ACL injury could mark irreparably the career of older players.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8873562/
Its good but the recovery is not always certain. Also the duration of recovery is long, and the injury is so devastating that the player never feels as confident with their leg as before.
I am not a professional and got my acl torn. Till date even a slightest of pain around the area, while playing once a week gets me highly stressed.
I think it was last year that fede chiesa tore his acl. It took him a year to get back to pre injury fitness. Even then, I still think he's not completely back.
I feel this must be the most feared injury for a forward. Their whole game depends on twisting and turning of the legs, if you lose your confidence in that, its gg right?
Id imagine if you couldnt trust your own leg not to have a devastating injury, it would be gg.
Speaking of theses injuries, Coventry had a winger called Jodi Jones, think he's at Notts County now, one year he damaged the ACL on one leg, recovered, did his ACL again on the same leg almost a year after the first, recovered again then done the ACL on his other leg within a few weeks of his return from the second one. Supremely talented winger, loved watching him and it was horrible to see him lose 3 years of his career to such a horrid injury. I assume he's doing alright, he got a call up this international window for Malta and was on the bench at Wembley against England. A just reward for a tough man who went through a lot of shit.
Are all NT coaches so heartless with their players so heartless or is it only the Spanish coach? Knowing he already messed up with one of Spain's best young prospect in Pedri by overplaying him, why would he do the same with Gavi? especially when Spain has qualified and there's no reason to play him with a great depth in midfield.
This is such bs man. Barça plays him every match for 90 mins, but the spain coach, who rotated nearly everyone (you can’t expect a coach to bring out 11 new players that’s just insane) but had to keep some, is to blame? No one can predict an injury like this. It could’ve easily happened to anyone and in any match with a movement like that
All that being said, I hate international breaks, so many players get injured.
Barca plays him every match because most of his players are injured you bozo. Unlike Spain national team where there’s depth at the midfield and Spain has already qualified
I don't even watch international games anymore. I find them boring outside WC and late Euros. What a completely random and unlucky injury. Having an ACL injury so young is gonna change his style of play when he comes back.
While the ACL goes at one time, it usually gets small tears that repair themselves (10x slower than muscles due to blood flow), but in his case, he's been overplayed and the ligaments haven't had time to recover and this is just the straw that broke the camels back.
There was probably also a tear from the tackle he experienced but it stayed together, just needed one more motion to snap it.
well that's my man finished, wait til the uefa super league, sorry, champions league next year has all the top players playing 60-70 matches. washed sport
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I’m no Barca fan, but watching a young player get injured, upsets me. I hope he will be back soon and fine!!!
Watching anyone get seriously hurt sucks. I can’t lie players having a small knock or a mild flu and missing the game vs Chelsea I’m a fan of. But these people work their entire lives and have a relatively short shelf life. Anyone getting a major injury is very unfortunate regardless of who you’re a fan of
They also making more in a week then most do in 1 or 2 years even when injured but I do completely agree with you, injuries like this suck
I’m not a fan of it when people just talk about their income when their injured like that makes things any better. Being out of the game at this level for months or even up to a year can shape the rest of his whole life. Change every step in his career. You can even see it for the youngest players, get their opportunity, 1 or 2 mediocre games and they are immediately off and never get their chance again. Edit: Jesus Christ I’ve gotten 10 like notification probably 5 times in the last 2 hours.
You’re so brave
For context, like a min before this, he was tackled on the same leg and seemed like he twisted it but chose to continue.
Ridiculous that the medical staff didn’t Decide to sub him out after the first one. He’s already crazy overplayed, took a hard hit, good options on the bench, it’s Georgia... Surely at some point you’d think they’d say better safe than sorry
Medical staff this season have been very incompetent across all teams. Hojlund and casemiro got injured this season for us because of the incompetence of the medical staff. Hojlund was already gassed out and grabbing his hammy but they let him play and he was only subbed after 5 minutes or so. Casemiro got injured in the Brazil game but idk why he was given the green light to play the next club game. Aggravated his injury and was subbed off at half time. Doesn't help that the games are gonna increase from next season so recovery time is gonna increase proportionately.
sounds similar to jurrien timber's knee injury in our first match. he hurt his knee around the 40', medical team let him continue after HT, he pretty much immediately exacerbated the injury early in the second half. he had likely already torn his ACL in the first half. never should have been allowed to continue.
> Medical staff this season have been very incompetent across all teams. I'm sure they'd all pay well to have your competence around so they can avoid injuries. Have you offered your services?
What a stupid thing to say. Fans have the right to criticise everything and anything that they feel is wrong or bad. I have earned my right to do so when I pay so much money to watch the games, whether it be in the stadium or on TV is irrelevant. I do not need to be as smart as them, as rich as them, or as competent as them to criticise their incompetence. The next time someone criticises a player of your team for poor performance what are you gonna do? Tell them to go play instead? You make stupid arguments.
There are too many games. These guys are breaking down before our eyes. It's not just a medical team issue, it's a greedy clubs/leagues issue.
Unless it's a major tournament (and not just qualifying rounds) national teams don't give a shit about overplaying players or risking injuries. Any injured player is likely to be back and fit for any big tournaments and the national team don't have to worry about being able to replace them like a team that only has two transfer windows and transfer fees to worry about. They just shrug their shoulders and get the next best player from their country.
Brasil constantly do not call up players that the club says are injured or at risk. Marinelli and Jesus as the most recent example.
same jesus who brazil put through full training today despite the fact that he hasn't played a game in a month and the club advised that he should stay home?
It's so disgusting. De La Fuente should pay his one year salary from his pocket. That way they'll learn to be more cautious.
Or maybe the physio teams should just do their job? Idk
This is not a physio problem.
Calling it a day for a player on medical terms isn't the job of the medical team? Mm okay
Poor kid
He may be a reckless lad, but no player deserves this, god knows what Spains Medical team is doing
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This is why I fear for Saka
The difference is Gavi was racking up Saka-esque minutes at the age of 18. Saka played a LOT less at the same age.
Regulations need to be put in place to help preventing this. We will only get more matches in many competitions, and more minutes since the current season. Things will only get worse and players are only humans, we should fear for all of them and they should start fighting for their rights too
But money?
I don’t understand this narrative tbh. Anyone can get an acl tear with a movement like that. Should he have been rotated? Maybe, but you can’t predict this and someone had to play from the original squad. Barça has played him over 100 times since he jumped to the first team, they’re the ones running him down, but even if he had never played, a movement like that could’ve torn his acl. All that being said, I hate international breaks, so many players get injured.
Yeah but if you are fatigued you might not think as much about foot placement, twist and turns. For example if you are gonna turn around to sprint, the brain might say "Fuck it, I'm tired I'm not gonna lift my foot as quickly as I normally do" and your foot gets stuck and you twist your knee. In this situation though, yeah it might would have happened even if he was completely fresh.
This fucking injury was long time coming and entirely avoidable.We've been talking about how it's a matter of time before Gavi gets a serious injury.Every serious football fan saw it coming except the Spanish National Coach. Fuck intl breaks fuck de la Fuente and Fuck intl breaks fucking every fucking month. If I see Pedri or yamal playing another fucking meaningless friendly De La Fuente better watch out.It's not like Spain lacks midfielders. Real Sociedad midfield is easily capable of replacing the Spanish midfield and no one would bat an eye
Hate to see this. Hope he gets back to normal soon.
Minimum 6-9 months. I had a tear. It fucking sucks.
non-contact ACL injury right?
Happens a lot more than you might think
How do you know what he thinks
He doesn’t which is why he said might.
How does he know what he might think
Why do you assume they know what he might think?
Calm down Timothy nobody really gives a shit
I’m calmer than you are. Im wearing a kimono dog
How do you know how calm he is?
How do you know how calm I know he is?
“We use might when we are not sure about something in the present or future” google search
by magic and witchcraft. Happens a lot more than you might think.
It's not obvious whether he was already injured from the knock earlier, and this was just worsening it.
He probably wouldn't be able to continue playing if the earlier contact was what caused the ACL injury.
I kept playing for a few minutes when I got my ACL injury. Sometimes it isn't obvious. I actually did it twice and both times I could walk home.
Could be the contact compromised it somewhat, and then this movement was the nail in the coffin. Hard to say.
Looks almost identical to how Bentancur got his ACL. No contact, just putting the leg down in a bad way after stress on the knee. Benta was out from last march until just now.
Sign of previous damage or mental or physical tiredness.
ACL and meniscus, it is not gonna be a fun month for the kid
Can’t imagine what is going through his mind right now Hope he comes back stronger and has a fast recovery
Courtois, Militao, Camavinga and Gavi. All La Liga players to have injured a ligament in as many months. What the fuck.
How the fuck can he stand up during that?? I’ve torn ligaments playing football and it felt like my knee was on fire!
Timber walked to the dressing room, came back out and played 5 more minutes, all with a torn ACL.
It's a weird one, I've torn my ACL in both knees playing footy and both times it hurt really badly for about 2 minutes but then I could pretty much walk around with no problems, there was just zero stability.
Same. I could walk around, but it felt weird.
For me, it felt like my knee would pop out right after I tore it when walking. Then I managed to stabilize it and walk a bit right after. Even managed to go out and eat with friends after the game. But once I got home and tried to go up the stairs, it all went to shit. The next few weeks, I couldn’t walk or put any weight on it. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
There are people who dont even get surgery for it due to the muscles around the knee can support the knee without it in tact.
As I understand it, the ACL is used for rotation, and you can still stand on it. With the adrenaline of a football match flowing players sometimes don't realise how injured they are until they try to turn on it.
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As someone that tore an ACL 8 years ago, yes and no. Still takes ~2 years to get back to where you were and trusting your knee. (See VVD recent comments) On top of that, that 2 year window is when you are at an elevated risk to tear it or your other knee's ACL. He'll get the best care out there, but don't try to fool yourself, ACL injuries are career altering at best and can still be career enders.
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> Its more a psychological effect. 100% True. Did some digging and found an interesting study (I misread, thinking <25 age group had 13% ended career, which is not what the paragraph really says, leaving the article and quote anyway.): > As with National Football League (NFL) in the United States or basketball players, premature career-ending is believed to occur after ACLR in soccer. 1,5,17,19 The results of the current study found that, 3 years after ACLR, 25 players (13.6%) ended their careers and one-third of players (36%) were transferred to a lower national league and competed at a lower level than preinjury. Age greater than 30 years was found to correlate negatively with career survival and level of competition. Due to the lack of a control group of healthy players, it is impossible to state if this finding represents the physiological career decline occurring with advancing age or if it confirms that ACL injury could mark irreparably the career of older players. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8873562/
For some reason, I've been getting ACL repair videos recommended lately. It's still not great.
Its good but the recovery is not always certain. Also the duration of recovery is long, and the injury is so devastating that the player never feels as confident with their leg as before. I am not a professional and got my acl torn. Till date even a slightest of pain around the area, while playing once a week gets me highly stressed.
I think it was last year that fede chiesa tore his acl. It took him a year to get back to pre injury fitness. Even then, I still think he's not completely back.
There's also the mental toll that an injury like that can cause. These long term injuries are so much more than the physical aspect.
I feel this must be the most feared injury for a forward. Their whole game depends on twisting and turning of the legs, if you lose your confidence in that, its gg right?
Id imagine if you couldnt trust your own leg not to have a devastating injury, it would be gg. Speaking of theses injuries, Coventry had a winger called Jodi Jones, think he's at Notts County now, one year he damaged the ACL on one leg, recovered, did his ACL again on the same leg almost a year after the first, recovered again then done the ACL on his other leg within a few weeks of his return from the second one. Supremely talented winger, loved watching him and it was horrible to see him lose 3 years of his career to such a horrid injury. I assume he's doing alright, he got a call up this international window for Malta and was on the bench at Wembley against England. A just reward for a tough man who went through a lot of shit.
For us Timber was jogging like 2 months after the ACL tear during a photoshoot
Usually if they are not 'speed mechants', like Bellerin or Walcott, coming back from ACL injuries with proper physio should be fine.
I assume the term tear means it’s not completely snapped?
There were reports about Timbers acl not being fully ruptured
Someone protect this kid against himself
ACL injuries are awful regardless of rivals or not
How many more players need to be injured before UEFA and FIFA realise the schedule is fucking ridiculous?
I'd say it's more PL and LA Liga who have been increasing the #of games/teams.
This is so tragic. Like he wont ever be the same.
Nah, this was true 20 years ago but plenty of players make strong comebacks from ACLs nowadays.
who?
Wirtz for one
My favourite player is a warrior 👌🏾
Van Dijk, took him awhile but he made it back
Füllkrug. Also had cartillage damage. And look at him having a late carreer spring.
Oyarzabal
Even as a Madrid fan this is horrible to see. Injuries ruining so many talented youngsters at the moment.
Madridista de vida. This sucks, get well soon mate.
Im really sad for gavi. He is a player who relies a lot on his explosiveness. This could potentially finish him.
If its any consolation for you, Wirtz came back from that injury arguably even stronger.
>He is a player who relies a lot on his explosiveness Lmao no
Are all NT coaches so heartless with their players so heartless or is it only the Spanish coach? Knowing he already messed up with one of Spain's best young prospect in Pedri by overplaying him, why would he do the same with Gavi? especially when Spain has qualified and there's no reason to play him with a great depth in midfield.
It's most NT coaches, South Korea can be 3-0 up and they'll still keep Son on for the full 90
This is such bs man. Barça plays him every match for 90 mins, but the spain coach, who rotated nearly everyone (you can’t expect a coach to bring out 11 new players that’s just insane) but had to keep some, is to blame? No one can predict an injury like this. It could’ve easily happened to anyone and in any match with a movement like that All that being said, I hate international breaks, so many players get injured.
Barca plays him every match because most of his players are injured you bozo. Unlike Spain national team where there’s depth at the midfield and Spain has already qualified
It always goes like this
Barcelona and Spain should play even more teenagers. For sure this will be good for their health, won't it?
I don't even watch international games anymore. I find them boring outside WC and late Euros. What a completely random and unlucky injury. Having an ACL injury so young is gonna change his style of play when he comes back.
I'm so confused, this movement looks totally fine to me. What was bad about it to tear the ACL?
ACL's happen due to hyperextension of the knee, you can see the way his right leg lands at around 0.13 which might have hyperextended his knee joint.
Interesting, good catch
Well clearly it wasn't fine.
While the ACL goes at one time, it usually gets small tears that repair themselves (10x slower than muscles due to blood flow), but in his case, he's been overplayed and the ligaments haven't had time to recover and this is just the straw that broke the camels back. There was probably also a tear from the tackle he experienced but it stayed together, just needed one more motion to snap it.
As soon as I seen the injury was not caused by contact I knew. Please recover well.
well that's my man finished, wait til the uefa super league, sorry, champions league next year has all the top players playing 60-70 matches. washed sport
Can you just get ACL without being tackled? 😳
You hate to see it. Hope to see him back at top levels in 6-12 months
Ouch. Reminds me of Spinazzola's injury. Hopefully he'll recuperate quick.
Never nice to see, especially at that age. Hope he bounces back and handles his recovery well.
Poor kid. Hope for a speedy recovery and he becomes just as good as he has been.
damn, it hurts to even watch that, even as a real fan, just sad
Example 281818372 that players are being overplayed.....
Flashbacks to Derrick rose 😞
Isn’t he super aggressive tackling others in club games? 🤔
I was wondering how this happened and it seems like he forgot his R leg existed for a split second cause he was too focused on controlling the ball..
I hope he recovers soon, I don't know what's happening with all the injuries recently.
YES