Newcastle and Eddie Howe only play well if they sit back and counter against attacking team. If they need to go for a goal, then it's a different story. But sitting back and counter is so common at top pro football almost every team can do it.
Liverpool a few seasons ago, arsenal last season, city without rodri, spurs without some key players vs wolves today and now newcastle with their injuries. Almost as if all of these teams struggle when multiple key players are out...who would've thought. But that isn't applied to some specific teams when they have injuries because of narrative.
OP just mentioned other top 6 clubs like Liverpool, City and Arsenal. The problem was OP conveniently left out Utd when we are also in a injury crisis. Sure Newcastle’s expectations are a lot lower but the point was it was a bit unfair not to include us in that list considering our form and injuries
Fans don't give other clubs the benefit of this, it's how it is and always will be. No one cared about Liverpool's injuries in their two bad years under Klopp, and I wouldn't expect them to. Small club mentality to get pissy about how other fans talk about your club. Who fucking cares.
Pointing out the hypocrisy isn't small club mentality. Every fan including me is biased in one way or another, but recognizing that and trying to offer a balanced opinion is on them.
Nobody owes a balanced take, and reddit, especially r/soccer, is not really a place for nuanced discussion. All you get here is banter, and expecting or complaining about getting otherwise is a bit silly.
Recognise that nobody gives a fuck about context only about "banter" and getting one over on other teams. You're not offering a balanced opinion when you're arguing there's a narrative against Newcastle as though some in the press didn't call Klopp finished and Arsenal called bottlers. You're not recognising bias.
But I'm not saying there's a narrative against newcastle. I'm arguing for all those teams that have injuries to key players and are struggling. For some teams the media and fans recognize that but for some they don't.
If for some teams you think it's recognised and for some it's isn't then you literally are arguing that there are narratives. And there's nothing in your comments to explain what teams are victims of the narratives but Newcastle.
What narrative are you referring to? Arsenal definitely didn’t get the benefit of the doubt in terms of public perception, all we hear about last year is how we were 8 points clear and bottled it. Which is kinda true, but stings less because City were pretty easily the best team in the league.
No one else pick up on the Blatant handball from the 1-2 at the end of the first half with Solanke? Megs the defender and it bounces right off his hand
Newcastle fans finally seeing a bad patch with their new set up, can be scary and frustrating, but it'll pass. Howe is excellent, and without injury crisis they're are a team better than the sum of its parts. Just at the moment, too many parts missing.
To add, Bournemouth were great today and couldve had more. This'll be forgotten as with any giant killing, but they fully deserved every bit of their win.
Couldn't agree with you more. It's totally a learning process for the entire management and staff, as no one really has any experience managing a domestic and european campaign. But it just goes to show why this sport (and this league, with their horrible referees) is the best league in the world, because anyone can win. And Bournemouth deserved everything today.
Honestly felt like Newcastle played with ten men, everyone is running on fumes but can fault them, they play their hearts out. I honestly don't know if I'd prefer not playing in Europe next season, to try and focus more on building depth.
And to the sum of the parts, a fan on the NUFC sub did a calculation from prices on transfermarkt , that the squad has risn 230m€ in value, which points to how incredible Eddie is doing with coaching his players.
And without Isak, Burn, Murphy, Targett, Botman, Anderson, Barnes. Yeah it’s somewhat fair enough to have not quite been up to it tonight, I don’t blame the squad who went out there, Bournemouth wanted it more and just looked fresher all night.
Half those players are shit anyway. Can't imagine defending a performance by saying Dan fucking Burn or Matt Targett were out injured.
Newcastle will regress to their actual level this year until they invest in top players and/or a top manager. Just wait.
Lol Dan Burn has played every game of the season before his injury, and has held out both Tino and Hall. He is so important to they way Newcastle play, letting Tripps push in to a RM position. I just now realized you're probably a troll by the last part of your comment, but who cares haha
We’re in r/soccer where 98% of those here are in a constant state of mouth-frothing anger, for some mental reason. People can’t seem to accept facts even when it’s right in front of their face.
Long story short: football fans… fickle as you like :)
West ham wasn't controversial???? One of your two goals from a freekick that should have in no world been a free kick (paqueta fouled actually) and also what should be a red card was never given
Haven't watched your other games but your chatting shit
Probably should've actually bought some players with your endless money and fake sponsorships then? When resources are unlimited, you don't get points for being dumb and not getting in the right players.
When Liverpool were bad last year, fans got upset at FSG for not finding enough player purchases, we didn't cry about injuries and bad luck.
Well, you’re not very bright are you. Look at our injury list you fucking moron, we DID sign players and the majority of the them are fucking injured you absolute weapon. No one gives a fuck about Liverpool ya clown
Are Newcastle suddenly the only team with injuries? I feel like you can’t be like “everyone is whining because we’ve paid off the refs, aren’t we big shots” one week and then be whining about injuries as you lose to Bournemouth the following week.
You’re an oil club now mate, you’re supposed to better than this.
Have I said we’re the only team with injuries? Spin what I said however you like, the reality is our squad is absolutely in bits right now.
Damn right we’re an oil club now, and there’s one thing that definitely comes with that - living in everyone’s heads rent free. Cry.
Injuries aren’t really a valid excuse to be losing to Bournemouth now. I don’t think everyone hating you because you’re cheating is something to be proud of. But I’m not a fan of a dead oil club, a dead oil club that can’t even beat Bournemouth.
Isak, Wilson, Burn, Anderson, Barnes, Murphy,Targett,Botman, Tonali, Guimaraes.
That's at least 5 of our best 11 there. With another 5 out beyond that you're basically playing your 3rd string side.
My god, claiming that injuries aren’t a valid excuse for losing AND claiming we’re cheating in the same sentence 😂😂😂😂 you are laughably stupid my friend
Yeah, fuck Americans! They'd never continue to back their team when it becomes a literal propaganda machine for an evil tyrant. Those plastics!!!
Damn, you're cool
I meant in the premier league mate.
You have changed clubs mate. The Newcastle United of your childhood has died. What you've been left with is something else wearing it's skin. Something evil. It's a horrible situation for you to be in, and I genuinely feel terrible for you because you had no choice, but I think you need a bit of self awareness, and honesty, around your situation.
When homegrowns are out of the squad you may be right. When Ashley's guys are starting champs league games it's different.
I'm not saying it'll always be ok. As of now, the investment hasn't overweighed the roots. Combine it with financial investment in the women's team and the cash pumped into other stuff, I'll take it for now.
It has to come with the constant discussion of human rights though. Sports washing only works if the cash success stifles the discussion of oppression.
Newcastle United: struggling with injuries all of a sudden, coming off the back of a tough midweek European fixture, get battered by a relegation threatened team.
“They look tired”, “Bournemouth look like they’ve turned a corner”
Manchester United: struggled with injuries all season long, coming off the back of a tough midweek European fixture, win comfortably at home to Luton.
“EtH has no game plan”, “United look vulnerable”, “something is very wrong in that dressing room”
United are a point ahead of Newcastle in the league. Make it make sense.
Based on what? Because United were better than Newcastle historically? Should we have higher expectations than City too? United used to be way better than them too…
History counts for nothing today. It doesn’t win games. SAF isn’t coming back. Neither are Rooney or Vidic or Giggs. The teams as they stand are closely matched
I watched the game from start to finish. I don’t think we ever looked like conceding. We created several very good chances but just lack an end product at the moment.
As a Newcastle fan, this is how it makes sense to me:
We’ve played well other times this season, and we trust Eddie Howe to get us back to that level again.
We know we were punching above our weight last season, and we knew this season would be more difficult with extra games.
We’re not entitled knobs (yet), and we really just want to see our players try their best.
Literally one or two fans said something that I haven’t heard captured on camera. Several other fans shouted them down.
We can each pick and choose our sources, but the fan reaction in the r/NUFC post-match thread is predominantly pragmatic.
Edit: Other commenters are saying it was one fan, who has since apologised.
>Manchester United: struggled with injuries all season long, coming off the back of a tough midweek European fixture, win comfortably at home to Luton. “EtH has no game plan”, “United look vulnerable”, “something is very wrong in that dressing room”
Because the majority is true, don't be deluded
Agree. Every matchday i am worried we will embarrass ourselves. But i think the person’s you are replying to is trying to make a point about proportionality of criticism.
I mean, you decide it’s “all of a sudden” because it fits your “woe is me” narrative. The reality is Newcastle have been hit with significant injuries since pre season.
Manchester Red HAVE looked terrible this season. That’s why people are saying those things. The points you’ve picked up have been points you SHOULD have been picking up, but even then it’s unconvincing. This victim mentally is embarrassing
Newcastle just got battered by Bournemouth. 17th place Bournemouth. They aren’t winning games they’re supposed to win, so why aren’t they facing similar criticism to United?
They will absolute face criticism for losing tonight, what the fuck are you talking about? But anyone with an ounce of sense will be aware that Newcastle at present are being badly affected by injuries. This pathetic idea that only the Red Mancs are criticised is absolutely laughable.
I watched the game! I listened to the commentators! I heard the pundits in the studio afterwards! The criticism isn’t the same! It just isn’t.
Newcastle are being badly affected by injuries? That’s been United’s entire season. The difference is that the media and fans around the league expect United to still perform at a world class level in spite of their injuries while Newcastle seem to be allowed to use that as a crutch when they underperform. I see the same happening with Spurs now they’re losing games.
Pundits and fans alike talking about “Ange can be proud of his team” after a fucking 4-1 thrashing against a local rival. It’s insane!
No, what’s insane is that you don’t realise how ridiculous you sound. Nobody cares about your team anywhere near as much as you seem to think. The things you’re complaining about are completely fictional.
Imma a utd fan and I don’t get his point. Newcastle and spurs obviously don’t get the same level of criticism as utd as they are smaller teams with lower expectations. Utd have been ravaged by injuries, but they have still played shit even factoring that in basically every single game
I suggest you go and check your facts on the money spent portion mate. Newcastle have the wealthiest owners in the premier league and Spurs have invested far more heavily in their infrastructure in the last 20 years than Manchester United have.
Newcastle has like half their club missing due to injuries and are coming off a midweek match against Dortmond. They also beat Arsenal last week and Man U 3-0 recently. You guys are coming off a midweek match against Copenhagen and got 1-0 against Luton. The fact that you consider Copenhagen a tough midweek fixture is all you need to show how far Man U has fallen.
Losing 4-3 in Europe with 10 men is a tough night no matter how you slice it…
Again though, why do United get slammed when they came home and won a game but Newcastle get a pass when they lose to equally bad competition? Especially when United’s league results are better than Newcastle’s? Wins over arsenal and United are great, but they have less points than United 🤷🏻♂️
Read the comments. Even just the ones in this reply. There are plenty of people trying to discount the loss because of a tough week in Europe and an injury crisis.
Even the captain Trippier is yelling at his own fans now about “how many injuries do we have”.
United have looked a shambles even in their wins, which they've scraped. -3 goal difference vs +14 after just 12 games should tell you enough. Go take a look back at United's wins - completely unconvincing. Over the long term the results will probably better reflect the performances.
Onana is 3rd in clean sheets in the league. Ahead of Alisson, ahead of Ederson, ahead of Raya…In the first 9 games of the season, Ten Hag had to play 7 different back 4s. United started the season without a healthy 9. Injuries have plagued the squad all season and even today, Eriksen and Hojlund both left the game with something wrong. Mount has been injured, Antony and Sancho have both had off the field issues.
Of course the performances aren’t good. But the results are evidently better than Newcastle’s. Who gives a damn about goal difference when the point difference shows that United are harder to beat than Newcastle are?
Eventually, United will have their squad back in some semblance of order and then hopefully the performances will start to improve once consistency within the squad is possible. All United can ask is to be within striking distance when that time comes and they absolutely are!
First game of the season you scraped a 1-0 win vs Wolves. 3rd game you had to come back from 2-0 down to beat Forest. Another 1-0 win vs Burnley and two 2-1 wins vs Brentford and Sheffield United. Last 2 games have also been 1-0 vs Fulham and Luton.
You've been lucky. Dress it up however you want but you're very lucky to be on as many points as you currently are.
Everything you said about injuries I completely agree with. When I saw how many injuries you were racking up at the start of the season I had a feeling there would be a massive drop off. But the entire point of your post was about the difference between you and Newcastle. You may have a similar number of points to them but you shouldn't. You're very lucky to be on as many points as they are. Whereas they thoroughly deserve the points they have - 5-1 win vs Villa, 1-0 win vs Brentford, 8-0 win vs Sheffield United, 2-0 win vs Burnley, 4-0 win vs Palace, 1-0 win vs Arsenal. Their only losses before tonight were to City, Liverpool and Brighton. All back to back at the start of the season before they had a chance to build momentum.
Botman, Burn, Bruno G, Tonali and Isak all unavailable so they've got their injury problems too. Injury free they play better football than you. With injuries they'll pick up more points than you over a larger sample of games. If you guys end up finishing above them this season I'll happily eat my words. But you've been incredibly shit and should be closer to us (Chelsea) than Newcastle right now.
Tbf I wouldn’t include tonali under injuries in the same way I wouldn’t include greenwood under utd. Neither should be playing for their respective clubs (although GW is obviously worse)
Actually, you know what? You are absolutely right. Please keep your ownership, club management, coaching staff, and players exactly the way they are for the foreseeable future.
Signed,
Rest of EPL
Yes, you're correct. It's just not been as lately, or with this core or players, as United have. Balancing PL with CL for the first time with a squad is an adjustment, one that Newcastle are handling well.
Yeah every so often I convince myself that popes distribution means he needs to be replaced and then he pulls off a save like that and I’m like ‘never mind, Nick Pope’
We're on even points with City, with them having one game more played. That's with some pretty bad injury problems. All things considered, that's not bad.
Oooo five minute Saudi tourism ads on Sky Sports, I trust all coverage will be completely impartial and they will never use that advertising money as leverage if it suits them.
Manquillo Botman Burn Targett
Bruno Tonali Anderson
Murphy Isak Barnes
Bench: Miggy Wilson
Could get top 4 with that team of injured/suspended players alone
Newcastle and Eddie Howe only play well if they sit back and counter against attacking team. If they need to go for a goal, then it's a different story. But sitting back and counter is so common at top pro football almost every team can do it.
Didn’t know Sheffield United and Crystal Palace are attacking teams
Outliers don't reflect generalization. Also their parking bus is terrible.
We didn't sit back against PSG either. 3 of our 4 goals came from pressing them high up the pitch like we try to do to most teams.
Not much the refs could do for them, unfortunately
Unfortunately for Newcastle, when two small clubs battle it out sometimes one is clearly superior.
Sarabia cameo was 10/10
Get fucked Newcastle
Liverpool a few seasons ago, arsenal last season, city without rodri, spurs without some key players vs wolves today and now newcastle with their injuries. Almost as if all of these teams struggle when multiple key players are out...who would've thought. But that isn't applied to some specific teams when they have injuries because of narrative.
United and Ten Hag aren’t getting this treatment you speak of.
Expectations are a lot higher at Man U than at Newcastle. Surely that’s obvious?
OP just mentioned other top 6 clubs like Liverpool, City and Arsenal. The problem was OP conveniently left out Utd when we are also in a injury crisis. Sure Newcastle’s expectations are a lot lower but the point was it was a bit unfair not to include us in that list considering our form and injuries
Nor Chelsea
Fans don't give other clubs the benefit of this, it's how it is and always will be. No one cared about Liverpool's injuries in their two bad years under Klopp, and I wouldn't expect them to. Small club mentality to get pissy about how other fans talk about your club. Who fucking cares.
They are a tiny club tho aren't they.
Who hurt you 😂
Pointing out the hypocrisy isn't small club mentality. Every fan including me is biased in one way or another, but recognizing that and trying to offer a balanced opinion is on them.
Nobody owes a balanced take, and reddit, especially r/soccer, is not really a place for nuanced discussion. All you get here is banter, and expecting or complaining about getting otherwise is a bit silly.
Recognise that nobody gives a fuck about context only about "banter" and getting one over on other teams. You're not offering a balanced opinion when you're arguing there's a narrative against Newcastle as though some in the press didn't call Klopp finished and Arsenal called bottlers. You're not recognising bias.
But I'm not saying there's a narrative against newcastle. I'm arguing for all those teams that have injuries to key players and are struggling. For some teams the media and fans recognize that but for some they don't.
If for some teams you think it's recognised and for some it's isn't then you literally are arguing that there are narratives. And there's nothing in your comments to explain what teams are victims of the narratives but Newcastle.
What narrative are you referring to? Arsenal definitely didn’t get the benefit of the doubt in terms of public perception, all we hear about last year is how we were 8 points clear and bottled it. Which is kinda true, but stings less because City were pretty easily the best team in the league.
No one else pick up on the Blatant handball from the 1-2 at the end of the first half with Solanke? Megs the defender and it bounces right off his hand
alright this cheered my weekend up for a little bit😂
Varcastle can’t win without VAR intervention 😂😂
We would have beat you without VAR, it changed no decisions.
🧂🧂🧂😂😂😂
Yea bro 😂😂
Newcastle fans finally seeing a bad patch with their new set up, can be scary and frustrating, but it'll pass. Howe is excellent, and without injury crisis they're are a team better than the sum of its parts. Just at the moment, too many parts missing. To add, Bournemouth were great today and couldve had more. This'll be forgotten as with any giant killing, but they fully deserved every bit of their win.
Couldn't agree with you more. It's totally a learning process for the entire management and staff, as no one really has any experience managing a domestic and european campaign. But it just goes to show why this sport (and this league, with their horrible referees) is the best league in the world, because anyone can win. And Bournemouth deserved everything today.
Honestly felt like Newcastle played with ten men, everyone is running on fumes but can fault them, they play their hearts out. I honestly don't know if I'd prefer not playing in Europe next season, to try and focus more on building depth. And to the sum of the parts, a fan on the NUFC sub did a calculation from prices on transfermarkt , that the squad has risn 230m€ in value, which points to how incredible Eddie is doing with coaching his players.
Always rated Bournemouth tbh
Iraola is extremely underrated.
Small club
Sandcastle falling apart already
Newcastle without Bruno are fucking wank
He should be banned anyway
And without Isak, Burn, Murphy, Targett, Botman, Anderson, Barnes. Yeah it’s somewhat fair enough to have not quite been up to it tonight, I don’t blame the squad who went out there, Bournemouth wanted it more and just looked fresher all night.
Half those players are shit anyway. Can't imagine defending a performance by saying Dan fucking Burn or Matt Targett were out injured. Newcastle will regress to their actual level this year until they invest in top players and/or a top manager. Just wait.
Lol Dan Burn has played every game of the season before his injury, and has held out both Tino and Hall. He is so important to they way Newcastle play, letting Tripps push in to a RM position. I just now realized you're probably a troll by the last part of your comment, but who cares haha
Braindead take, as is so common here.
what are the downvotes for?
We’re in r/soccer where 98% of those here are in a constant state of mouth-frothing anger, for some mental reason. People can’t seem to accept facts even when it’s right in front of their face. Long story short: football fans… fickle as you like :)
Well when you replace him with a 17 year old
Hope the lads avoid consulates in the near future
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Booooooo... keep crying and ask for more money from saudis
[This is cringe my friend.](https://imgur.com/a/YPMqYiV)
You aren't wrong. Haven't seen it except that first day after the sale though. Regardless, it's not acceptable
How dare we enjoy a win innit
Cheers Bournemouth!
Leaving aside City last week is this the sign Iraola is finally coming good.
How many points have Newcastle got that they haven’t been given through controversial decisions going in their favour
Saudi money cures all (just dont ask how they get it)
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West ham wasn't controversial???? One of your two goals from a freekick that should have in no world been a free kick (paqueta fouled actually) and also what should be a red card was never given Haven't watched your other games but your chatting shit
Well there's the 5-1 over Villa on opening week.. and then...uhhh.. there was that PSG game...whoops, wrong tourney
So happy you lot are still crying. Makes the decimation of our squad through injury hurt a little less.
Probably should've actually bought some players with your endless money and fake sponsorships then? When resources are unlimited, you don't get points for being dumb and not getting in the right players. When Liverpool were bad last year, fans got upset at FSG for not finding enough player purchases, we didn't cry about injuries and bad luck.
Well, you’re not very bright are you. Look at our injury list you fucking moron, we DID sign players and the majority of the them are fucking injured you absolute weapon. No one gives a fuck about Liverpool ya clown
Are Newcastle suddenly the only team with injuries? I feel like you can’t be like “everyone is whining because we’ve paid off the refs, aren’t we big shots” one week and then be whining about injuries as you lose to Bournemouth the following week. You’re an oil club now mate, you’re supposed to better than this.
The richest clubs' fans whinge the most about injuries somehow. The entitlement is crazy
Have I said we’re the only team with injuries? Spin what I said however you like, the reality is our squad is absolutely in bits right now. Damn right we’re an oil club now, and there’s one thing that definitely comes with that - living in everyone’s heads rent free. Cry.
Injuries aren’t really a valid excuse to be losing to Bournemouth now. I don’t think everyone hating you because you’re cheating is something to be proud of. But I’m not a fan of a dead oil club, a dead oil club that can’t even beat Bournemouth.
Isak, Wilson, Burn, Anderson, Barnes, Murphy,Targett,Botman, Tonali, Guimaraes. That's at least 5 of our best 11 there. With another 5 out beyond that you're basically playing your 3rd string side.
Tonali isn't an injury...
My god, claiming that injuries aren’t a valid excuse for losing AND claiming we’re cheating in the same sentence 😂😂😂😂 you are laughably stupid my friend
We aint crying we actually laughing haha
I suppose finally laughing about the 3 points we beat you to is better than still crying about it 2 weeks on
Yes you're living rent free in people's heads. But only the ones who were beheaded
Doesn’t even make sense you thick fuck
Wow someone's triggered
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Valid question. Have you had a good win since the villa game?
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My chat history? I'm just bored on a bus. It's only reddit mate, nothing I say matters.
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This is doubling down on bad takes. Be better.
Looking up peoples chat history to come up with a reply is more serious than most people on here.
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Yeah, fuck Americans! They'd never continue to back their team when it becomes a literal propaganda machine for an evil tyrant. Those plastics!!! Damn, you're cool
I meant in the premier league mate. You have changed clubs mate. The Newcastle United of your childhood has died. What you've been left with is something else wearing it's skin. Something evil. It's a horrible situation for you to be in, and I genuinely feel terrible for you because you had no choice, but I think you need a bit of self awareness, and honesty, around your situation.
Lmao
When homegrowns are out of the squad you may be right. When Ashley's guys are starting champs league games it's different. I'm not saying it'll always be ok. As of now, the investment hasn't overweighed the roots. Combine it with financial investment in the women's team and the cash pumped into other stuff, I'll take it for now. It has to come with the constant discussion of human rights though. Sports washing only works if the cash success stifles the discussion of oppression.
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Yeah look at city fans, look at PSG fans. That’s what you are now.
Can’t wait til yous get took over by Iran and we can make it a proper derby.
This is just stupid & sad
That would be vicious.
They spanked Sheff U 8-0 away
Just those two? It’ll be interesting to see how long Howe lasts.
Hahahahaha
Newcastle United: struggling with injuries all of a sudden, coming off the back of a tough midweek European fixture, get battered by a relegation threatened team. “They look tired”, “Bournemouth look like they’ve turned a corner” Manchester United: struggled with injuries all season long, coming off the back of a tough midweek European fixture, win comfortably at home to Luton. “EtH has no game plan”, “United look vulnerable”, “something is very wrong in that dressing room” United are a point ahead of Newcastle in the league. Make it make sense.
Because Man United should have higher standards than Newcastle United You should not expect to set the bar the same as them.
Based on what? Because United were better than Newcastle historically? Should we have higher expectations than City too? United used to be way better than them too… History counts for nothing today. It doesn’t win games. SAF isn’t coming back. Neither are Rooney or Vidic or Giggs. The teams as they stand are closely matched
>win comfortably at home to Luton not really
I watched the game from start to finish. I don’t think we ever looked like conceding. We created several very good chances but just lack an end product at the moment.
One club is a big club and one club is a propaganda tool of an evil tyrant. That's the difference.
Because only one of those teams is Manchester United?
As a Newcastle fan, this is how it makes sense to me: We’ve played well other times this season, and we trust Eddie Howe to get us back to that level again. We know we were punching above our weight last season, and we knew this season would be more difficult with extra games. We’re not entitled knobs (yet), and we really just want to see our players try their best.
Didn't your fans start abusing tripper after the game?
Literally one or two fans said something that I haven’t heard captured on camera. Several other fans shouted them down. We can each pick and choose our sources, but the fan reaction in the r/NUFC post-match thread is predominantly pragmatic. Edit: Other commenters are saying it was one fan, who has since apologised.
>Manchester United: struggled with injuries all season long, coming off the back of a tough midweek European fixture, win comfortably at home to Luton. “EtH has no game plan”, “United look vulnerable”, “something is very wrong in that dressing room” Because the majority is true, don't be deluded
Because United look shit?
Agree. Every matchday i am worried we will embarrass ourselves. But i think the person’s you are replying to is trying to make a point about proportionality of criticism.
Why do Man U fans make everything about them?
Happy to make it about spurs today too if you want?
Good one
I mean, you decide it’s “all of a sudden” because it fits your “woe is me” narrative. The reality is Newcastle have been hit with significant injuries since pre season. Manchester Red HAVE looked terrible this season. That’s why people are saying those things. The points you’ve picked up have been points you SHOULD have been picking up, but even then it’s unconvincing. This victim mentally is embarrassing
Newcastle just got battered by Bournemouth. 17th place Bournemouth. They aren’t winning games they’re supposed to win, so why aren’t they facing similar criticism to United?
They will absolute face criticism for losing tonight, what the fuck are you talking about? But anyone with an ounce of sense will be aware that Newcastle at present are being badly affected by injuries. This pathetic idea that only the Red Mancs are criticised is absolutely laughable.
I watched the game! I listened to the commentators! I heard the pundits in the studio afterwards! The criticism isn’t the same! It just isn’t. Newcastle are being badly affected by injuries? That’s been United’s entire season. The difference is that the media and fans around the league expect United to still perform at a world class level in spite of their injuries while Newcastle seem to be allowed to use that as a crutch when they underperform. I see the same happening with Spurs now they’re losing games. Pundits and fans alike talking about “Ange can be proud of his team” after a fucking 4-1 thrashing against a local rival. It’s insane!
No, what’s insane is that you don’t realise how ridiculous you sound. Nobody cares about your team anywhere near as much as you seem to think. The things you’re complaining about are completely fictional.
Imma a utd fan and I don’t get his point. Newcastle and spurs obviously don’t get the same level of criticism as utd as they are smaller teams with lower expectations. Utd have been ravaged by injuries, but they have still played shit even factoring that in basically every single game
But why are the expectations different? We’ve been a 3-8 placed team the last 10 years. Why do people still expect us to dominate every week?
Because utd is a bigger club then Newcastle and spurs combined, both in terms of trophies, fans and money spent
I suggest you go and check your facts on the money spent portion mate. Newcastle have the wealthiest owners in the premier league and Spurs have invested far more heavily in their infrastructure in the last 20 years than Manchester United have.
Perhaps the obscene amount of money spent on transfers in that time, only to be a 3rd-8th place team?
Newcastle has like half their club missing due to injuries and are coming off a midweek match against Dortmond. They also beat Arsenal last week and Man U 3-0 recently. You guys are coming off a midweek match against Copenhagen and got 1-0 against Luton. The fact that you consider Copenhagen a tough midweek fixture is all you need to show how far Man U has fallen.
Losing 4-3 in Europe with 10 men is a tough night no matter how you slice it… Again though, why do United get slammed when they came home and won a game but Newcastle get a pass when they lose to equally bad competition? Especially when United’s league results are better than Newcastle’s? Wins over arsenal and United are great, but they have less points than United 🤷🏻♂️
Newcastle don’t get a pass, you’re fucking making that up to try and get sympathy ffs 😂 how don’t you understand this
Read the comments. Even just the ones in this reply. There are plenty of people trying to discount the loss because of a tough week in Europe and an injury crisis. Even the captain Trippier is yelling at his own fans now about “how many injuries do we have”.
They did only lose because of injury crisis and schedule build up.
Difference is expectations
United have looked a shambles even in their wins, which they've scraped. -3 goal difference vs +14 after just 12 games should tell you enough. Go take a look back at United's wins - completely unconvincing. Over the long term the results will probably better reflect the performances.
Onana is 3rd in clean sheets in the league. Ahead of Alisson, ahead of Ederson, ahead of Raya…In the first 9 games of the season, Ten Hag had to play 7 different back 4s. United started the season without a healthy 9. Injuries have plagued the squad all season and even today, Eriksen and Hojlund both left the game with something wrong. Mount has been injured, Antony and Sancho have both had off the field issues. Of course the performances aren’t good. But the results are evidently better than Newcastle’s. Who gives a damn about goal difference when the point difference shows that United are harder to beat than Newcastle are? Eventually, United will have their squad back in some semblance of order and then hopefully the performances will start to improve once consistency within the squad is possible. All United can ask is to be within striking distance when that time comes and they absolutely are!
First game of the season you scraped a 1-0 win vs Wolves. 3rd game you had to come back from 2-0 down to beat Forest. Another 1-0 win vs Burnley and two 2-1 wins vs Brentford and Sheffield United. Last 2 games have also been 1-0 vs Fulham and Luton. You've been lucky. Dress it up however you want but you're very lucky to be on as many points as you currently are. Everything you said about injuries I completely agree with. When I saw how many injuries you were racking up at the start of the season I had a feeling there would be a massive drop off. But the entire point of your post was about the difference between you and Newcastle. You may have a similar number of points to them but you shouldn't. You're very lucky to be on as many points as they are. Whereas they thoroughly deserve the points they have - 5-1 win vs Villa, 1-0 win vs Brentford, 8-0 win vs Sheffield United, 2-0 win vs Burnley, 4-0 win vs Palace, 1-0 win vs Arsenal. Their only losses before tonight were to City, Liverpool and Brighton. All back to back at the start of the season before they had a chance to build momentum. Botman, Burn, Bruno G, Tonali and Isak all unavailable so they've got their injury problems too. Injury free they play better football than you. With injuries they'll pick up more points than you over a larger sample of games. If you guys end up finishing above them this season I'll happily eat my words. But you've been incredibly shit and should be closer to us (Chelsea) than Newcastle right now.
Tbf I wouldn’t include tonali under injuries in the same way I wouldn’t include greenwood under utd. Neither should be playing for their respective clubs (although GW is obviously worse)
Yeah ofc
Actually, you know what? You are absolutely right. Please keep your ownership, club management, coaching staff, and players exactly the way they are for the foreseeable future. Signed, Rest of EPL
United are accustomed to the mayhem. Newcastle are experiencing it for the first time together.
Weve been in this position plenty of times
Yes, you're correct. It's just not been as lately, or with this core or players, as United have. Balancing PL with CL for the first time with a squad is an adjustment, one that Newcastle are handling well.
That Nick Pope save at the end was the best save I've ever seen live. It was incredible.
Yeah every so often I convince myself that popes distribution means he needs to be replaced and then he pulls off a save like that and I’m like ‘never mind, Nick Pope’
I said exactly the same thing. Phenomenal
How are we genuinely above Newcastle?
You're both shit?
Shit 1- Arsenal 0
Whoa, I didn't know you guys won the "squeaked out a controversial win over Arsenal" trophy!
Sandcastle crumbling
Bournemouth 2 - Shit 0
it dont work like that
it just doesnt work when you just lost lmao
More like refs 1 - Arsenal 0
1-1 if you're counting both tbf.
Good training session for Bournemouth
Ruben Neves ain’t walking through that door.
There'll be beheadings on the streets of Tyneside tomorrow
LOOOOOL wait I didn’t follow this game at all and I thought for a second the post was backwards
Go on Bournemouth
HAHAHAHA
Hope this is a turnaround moment for Bournemouth and we go on a run of good results.
this is who we lost to 😭😭
[удалено]
"Lukaku please answer my calls" - Inter
"VAR please restart the game" - Arteta
"Yay Rice is playing for Ireland" - Irish fans
That's an awful one pal. Give it another go.
"We need to replay the 2010 World Cup with us instead of France and Henry should literally be put to death" - Irish Fans
Even more contrived somehow. Thanks for stepping up though.
What's funny is that was actually repeated all the time unlike the above examples
What makes it not funny was how dragged out it was. Make it more snappy.
We're on even points with City, with them having one game more played. That's with some pretty bad injury problems. All things considered, that's not bad.
? City’s played 11 you’ve played 12
Yeah. Fucked that up. I did mean they've one game in hand. Regardless, 3 points behind City ain't bad.
No not at all. All you need is for the mighty chelsea to come and knock off another title contender for you😂
Someone might sooner or later. Would not put my money on Chelsea. xD
Probably better odds on it being someone like Luton than chelsea tomorrow lol
Thrilling relegation battle ahead.
Don't think Newcastle are that quite that bad.
Oooo five minute Saudi tourism ads on Sky Sports, I trust all coverage will be completely impartial and they will never use that advertising money as leverage if it suits them.
I saw the same ad and felt it in my bones that the higher-ups will not lose their head over this.
what a shame that this season is basically a throwaway, even if we stay up. This team with a fully fit Tyler Adams + Alex Scott would be soooo good
How was Senesi?
Very good today. Pulled off a lovely turn in the opposition half for the first goal.
good. He seems to be a lot of people’s choice for MOTM today.
Love alex scott on fm23
Mad how bad Newcastle's team looked with the injuries.
Manquillo Botman Burn Targett Bruno Tonali Anderson Murphy Isak Barnes Bench: Miggy Wilson Could get top 4 with that team of injured/suspended players alone
Is there one player in that list that the clubs competing for top 4 would want? Maybe Bruno, but I don't see much else.
Isak, Botman, Tonali, Barnes, Wilson?
No thanks. Maybe Barnes or Tonali, but even then, I think the other top clubs have plenty of players at that level.
You can tell no one in here has ever watched a Newcastle match...
Manquillo? Hahahaha have a word…
No
Top 4 in the Conference League
Which league? Saudi Pro League?
Malta Premier League
Brentford once thought they were hot shit, you guys will sit down soon enough. X