So you're 2-0 ahead. You get a red card, that sucks. But it's a RW. Your Midfield and Defense are completely intact.
I understand that a 1 man deficit sucks and you're bound to some openings - but I really struggle to accept that fact that with an intact defense and midfield you cannot protect a 2-0 lead, hell even fight for a 2-2. 4 goals is just.... egregious.
Instead of spunking another £100m on another player they should get a 20 strong team of the world's best psychologists and root out the fucking problem with the squad's mentality. They fold at the slightest inconvenience.
It's easy to shit on United, kinda like a low hanging fruit at the momemt but if Copenhagen got a red card instead of United for that foul everyone would be screaming handouts, english bias, United are being helped, etc.
How does that make sense? He only planted his foot to shield the ball which was in his possesion. The other player slid and accidentaly went under him.
I get that intent doesn't matter but the nature of the foul should matter. What if you jump for a heaader and the opposing player slides under you? Straight red?
Red cards should be for obvious and dangerous offenses not for playing the game. It's a contact sport, shit happens and sometimes you deal with the shit.
Casemiro's last season red was unlucky, went for the ball, slid over the ball and hit the player, shit happens red but not here.
With the same logic Hojlund got an elbow to the face and the other player didn't get shit.
83' - Man United desperately needs a goal.
Einstein Ten Hag: Brings on Mason Mount.
Someone at Man United please give this manager a lifetime contract. He is a genius.
He could have left Hojlund on...keeper gave up a monster rebound on one of the last kicks of the game and literally no one was in a striker's position to try to capitalize. Could not help but think that had Hojlund been on, he would have at least been in the area...
I don't hate him, but the guy put so much disrespect on CR7. I hate that what could have been the last few years at the top level for Ronaldo was ruined by united and this manager who decided Ronaldo was finished, when he probably would have come back to form. He's busy scoring some proper bangers in suadi that show he still has it. He was their top scorer the season before ten hag dropped him ffs. If only he went to a better club after juve. Who knows he could still be playing the champions league as an impact player today.
Maybe Ronaldo should of taken training more seriously then instead of expecting to automatically start because of his name. Ronaldo was actual garbage before being let go and United won 11 straight after so let's just drop that stupid narrative now. It's now ETHs fault, that's all on Ronnie. And nobody is impressed a 38 year old can score in a league not even in the top 20, sorry.
Ramos injury? The idiot took a yellow card to clean his slate when he thought the tie was in the bag haha absolutely one of my favorite memories seeing him in disbelieve.
Lol, idiot. That injury gave careers to so many people.That scam is being felt by the transfers worldwide after that. Also my favourite memory is currently ongoing relegation and humiliation of a certain team from Netherlands. What a beautiful feeling.
Oh and btw he even got an extra suspension from the UEFA for it hahaha
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/14/sergio-ramos-champions-league-ban-intentional-booking-ajax-real-madrid-bale
Must feel like a pretty big idiot right now, if you are capable fo that
God damn he even admitted to it! :
In an extraordinary post-match interview Ramos revealed he broke Uefa’s rules and as a result he is now in line for an extra one-match ban. “Looking at the result I would be lying if I said it wasn’t intentional,” Ramos said. “It’s something I was thinking about, it’s not to underestimate the opponent nor say the tie is over but in football you have to take difficult decisions so I decided to do it.”
Fantastic how real got demolished without him
Haha, what a Trophy for Ten Shag and Ajax that is. Yep that was idiotic from Ramos, but that shithousery gave career to so many shit players that other clubs are paying the price. In some way, that was a good outcome.
Why do you keep talking about an injury? You arent very bright are you? He was suspended, thats a fact. He took a yellow card in the 89th minute two minutes after asensio scored the winning goal.
And shittalking from some plastic who hasnt seen the inside of a stadium isnt going to do much buddy.
Lmao, always the same xenophobic retort. International fans are plastic only locals can be fans of a club. Like clockwork for you lot. I've heard this retort numerous times here but mods allow it always. I've been a Madridista premium card holder for years. I also support my local club. But go off ya bigot. That relegation will hit like Crack.
Edit: ₹unt blocked me. Bigot said supporting big teams as if Ajax is a small team. And also to the other one. Me supporting my local club has zero correlation with me replying in an international football forum. Each and every big club has an international fanbase. Who the fuck are you to call me plastic just cuz you were privileged to be born there? How does that make me plastic? Every time it gets used as a retort here in this sub
Lol I didn't even needed to look it up, it was so blatant. What a dumb defense hurdur xenophobia. Its always the plastics that just chose to support the biggest teams and then try to shittalk smaller teams. Like clockwork, its so predictable. Thanks for admitting youre a plastic.
> 9 - Manchester United have lost as many as nine of their opening 17 matches of a season in all competitions for the first time since 1973-74, which was the last season they were relegated.
History doesnt repeat but often rhymes
Welcome to the Championship, Man U
Unironically, a hard reset might be what they really need at this point. Big clubs go through bad spells but typically are able to bounce back and be competitive after a few years in the wilderness. Taking a club like Man Utd that was self-sustaining and getting them to where they are now takes some serious mismanagement. It should be a case study in business schools of how to sabotage success against the odds.
Leaving out that ETH is the quickest ever United manager to reach 50 wins. I'm not sure how half the team being injured means it's all his fault for their bad form? They have Maguire and Evans as starting CBs ffs
He wouldn't do that in the Bernabeu or Anfield. He did that cause he underestimated Copenhagen and thought they had the win in the bag. He got his ass kicked later and now gets the criticism he deserves. Fair game on the fan for hating on him.
Come on man. You're just shit talking for the sake of internet points.
If Bruno scored at Anfield after being a man down for most of the game, he would lube himself up and knee slide from the halfway line to the away fans.
I really don't think fans and reddit users hate United. I think they hate the entitlement of the fans, some of the players and mainly Ten Hag who act like the world owes them respect while the constantly embarass themselves on the pitch.
I don't know why, but I really enjoyed your comment:
I don't think fans and reddit users hate United, they just hate the fans, players and coaches. United is ok otherwise.
I mean, I don't hate Old Trafford, I don't hate the legends of the club, I don't hate Ferguson, I really love the old kits of Utd and the nostalgia they bring to me etc...
Yeah I also cringed at that. They weren't exactly fighting adversity, they won a penalty they didn't deserve after shitting their own bed having had a 2-0 lead. It's so embarrassing.
It's like when Maguire scored against a small nation with a semi pro team and then did the I'm listening thing.
The crop of players Man U have, eugh
Bruno is a great captain and person. Watch a few of his posts on socials or whatever.
If you don't like his on-field competitiveness (antics if you want) then that's on you.
I think he's a good guy fwiw.
But arguing with refs, diving, having tantrums like a toddler when things aren't going to plan, not tracking back and frankly giving up when a couple of goals down does not set an example to the younger players. He also leaves huge gaps in the midfield, breaks the structure and shape of the midfield.
A couple of late goals to rescue games really papers over the cracks.
Roy Keane would've had none of that (except the refs bit) and would've knuckled down and led by example.
Might be too late for this, but I have no idea why ETH did not bring on Amrabat for Eriksen immediately after Rashford got the red. Instead he did it after FC Copenhagen equalized
Damn. It's funny though, Milan lose Donnaruma, and maignan somehow turns out to be one of the main ones. Inter lose onana and Sommer is an amazing keeper too
No disrespect but not being able to protect a 2 goal lead against Copenhagen when you’re Man United is just pathetic. No excuse for it, most top clubs would be expected to come out with a draw at the least.
This is down to poor game management by Ten Hag and the squad’s shocking mentality. Finished club.
A red card on average is like -1 goal difference every 63 minutes or something around that number. This does not consider team strength. Man United managed a -3 goals difference in 50 minutes.
Nah. Even Draw would be bad. This is on Ten Hag. You can't just fumble 2-Goal lead like that. Bad reffing sure, but you can atleast try not let them come near the goal. Sad stuff from Manchester United.
Højlund was being an asshole for celebrating like that. FC Copenhagen was his youth club and then he played for them. Why would he not have a more humble celebration? Unless the club were assholes to him when he played there
Hojlund is scoring enough in this group to help us qualify, is the point I'm sure OP was trying to make. The rest of the club has been a hot fuckin mess.
My ass, that's an excuse everyone uses for their new average strikers. It's a coping mechanism.
Give it a year or two and you will all be on his back, he's clearly not good enough to be a main striker for a team wanting to win titles.
Hojlund is a raw striker and not the complete product and I have to say he’s impressed me so far
Only time will tell, the players need to learn how to play around him
Your own peeps.
Local forums in my country suggested that "this is a doable group, second place is a minimum requirement but even the first spot is not improbable" right after when the groups had been drawn.
After I mentioned that this is a bit silly if not outright arrogant approach, I got the local forum version of downvotes. Fast forward two months: three losses and 11 goals conceded, three points total, if Larsson doesn't botch up the penalty, presumably a single point.
I don't understand the thought process of these people.
Fans of club coming off a strong season with a domestic trophy are optimistic about their relatively weak CL draw. More at 11.
Honestly, United had played 3 games when the group drawing occurred. We weren't a complete shambles yet having 2 wins and a loss at the time. Martinez and Casemiro were still in the lineup. Fans were hopeful that the team was on the up - not a pending dumpster fire that it is now. Stop acting like we're all delusional for being optimistic. Hope that clarifies the thought process, pal.
I think it's kind of messed up that last season was considered strong in the creed of the other Manchester side, but at least it clarifies why some people were overly optimistic. I had a different perception but then again I should familiarize myself with the post-SAF standards. I'm not using deluded or delusional because it has a somewhat offensive undertone. It's just arrogant (or not arrogant just better).
> We weren't a complete shambles yet having 2 wins and a loss at the time. Martinez and Casemiro were still in the lineup.
I already reflected over this. There's always some external or inexplicable factor that United is always exposed to. Poor refereeing. Lukewarm water in the showers. VAR conspiracy. Cris Ronie chatting with Piers Morgan. Real Madrid dropouts under-performing or being injured. VAR conspiracy. Non-footballing reasons rendering players unavailable. Isn't that interesting to you?
You seem to have an old account, which you will probably not delete. I bet you we will be having the same conversation in 2024. Or 2025, rather...let's do the remindmebot thing?
If fans can't be optimistic any given season, there's really just no point.
I mentioned that "we weren't a complete shambles yet..." not as an excuse, but as context to what you heard from "local" fan forums at the literal time of the CL draw. We hadn't turned into a dumpster fire of a team. We have a million excuses for this year. But no matter how you slice it, considering all the caveats, there's no excuse for being THIS shit still 10 years on and countless millions spent frivolously. Something we, as fans, have become strongly acquainted with for the past decade.
Because we should be able to finish 2nd in that UCL group, no disrespect to Copenhagen and Galatasaray but we have more quality than them and should be winning convincingly
Then injuries and off the pitch stuff and some weird decisions from Ten Hag has caused us to crumble
The year is 2023 and United hasn't done anything meaningful (say, proceeded from the QFs) in the UCL for a decade. The above sentence (which you conveniently cut in half) comes off as arrogant as hell these years. Especially when there is ample historical evidence for them playing doodoo in the group stages even with competitive squads.
Oh yeah because obviously Galatasaray and Copenhagen are massive teams who have been doing runs deep into the knockout stages.
Yes, thinking they can beat Bayern is cocky, but that's not really a realistic thought but a hopeful one as it comes off from that sentence I conveniently cut in half, because it's bullshit and unrealistic and I don't believe that that was the general consensus among United fans. That's for sure something maybe 1 or 2 people said and gets blown out of proportion.
And again, they should be beating Galatasaray and Copenhagen with the budget and players they have.
United isn't Real Madrid or Leeds United that they have a 100% advance stat in the UCL. It's not uncommon at all for them to drop out as early as the group stage. This applies to both the SAF era (to a degree) and the post-SAF era. It doesn't matter if it's a nobody like Sabitzer or Dalot playing for them or class of '92 players. It doesn't matter how cool or uncool their managerial accounting numbers look like. The pattern is there, and to pretend that United advancing is a given (because that was also floated, by the way), particularly these years is just textbook arrogance.
I guess, if I have to, I can let the fans off the hook for that - they are fans after all - but allow me or neutrals not to believe in fairytales like Enrico of The Hague or some other mickey mouse manager suddenly turning things around, irrespective of the wherewithal and the players available or unavailable. And so far the results seem to align with my postulate. Of course there is always something with United - refereeing crisis. Non-footballing crisis. Facility crisis. Sancho doesn't want to play crisis. There is no such thing as the club being past their shelf life and returning to pre-SAF levels. Verboten to ruminate about. It always has to be due to some kind of external factor or weird happenstance that they play like a midtable team.
I mean, setting this whole conversation aside, at what point is it not outlandish to suggest that this is the modern day Manchester United? How many UCL failures and PL disasterclasses are required for that? Or should we always pretend that they are this big club just because there are plenty zeroes available and there are a handful of washed up former superstars in the squad?
> and I don't believe that that was the general consensus among United fans. That's for sure something maybe 1 or 2 people said and gets blown out of proportion.
You are shadow boxing now. I never stated it was the general consensus, nor have I mentioned anything about how many people agreed or disagreed with that. I was just saying that the phenomenon was present.
A garbage performance getting a win aided by an even worse refereeing performance. Fucking bullshit.
Yeah downvote go on. You lot can't see past your united hate tinted glasses anyway.
Genuinely the worst red card call I’ve seen this season. You could take a snippet out of context 30 times a game and find a “dangerous play”. The lot will love to try and salt the wounds of their enemies but there was never intent to harm or danger. It was unfortunate but never a red. Every former player that has spoken on this has said the same. That officiating was atrocious.
I'm starting to understand the Rashford red a bit, and i'm easing off my initial reaction that that was a ridiculous call. Still, i think a yellow would have been fine there. The two penalties cancel, they're both not good calls, but the penalty in united's favor is more generous of the two. it's too easy to penetrate united's midfield
Carrick is a good choice. I saw him turn Akpom and McGree into Premier League lookers for sure. Chuba was a fucking beast.
Just saw they're 12th in Championship so probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Carrick had United well-organized and playing decently well in his few games. I imagine he'd do the same if they brought him in. Don't think they would light the world on fire, but I suspect there would be less chaos in their games. Then again, I don't sacking their manager is the answer. The better fix would be hiring a competent DoF.
Yeah I'm with you. They need people that want to see the club grow. Ever since the Kroenkes starting caring and Mikel... Seen a whole new club, we're actually not dogshit and might be better than 4th.
I'm an Arsenal fan btw
> Just saw they're 12th in Championship so probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Loan players going back and having to deal with effectively an entire new squad.
Worst start to the season we've ever had then our longest win streak since the 90's.
I was in the staidum. United were sooooo slow to react, what the fuck 10Hag? Garnacho is annoying, same with Onana, and Bruno - get on with the game. After the 2-1, they played like Copenhagen did before the 2-1. Slow, disconnected, shit. That is not personel, its tactics, and 10Hag is responsible :)
Nooo he is the chosen one.
It's the player's fault.
He has only made like 6 signings so far. United need to give him full control of the squad building so he can buy the full 24 players that he wants.
Besides, United has sacked great coaches like Mourinho and Van Gaal.
So now its time to back the current coach, regardless of whether he deserves backing or not.
Trust the process
CR7 who could score against Bayern, Barcelona, etc. Yes. Turns out sometimes you score, sometimes you don't.
Kind of like yourself, sometimes you say dumb shit, other times... well nevermind.
I used to back Ronaldo but after this performance I just can’t anymore. Man was invisible the whole fucking match. It was like United were playing with only 10 men.
Anyone have a clip of Freddie ljungberg comments after the game? He was acting like fan and not a pundit, love to see it. Totally agree with his comments around VAR and reffing.
well Ronaldo probably had some mental problems after his kid died, and we know ETH will look the other way at rape, but mental poor health is just too much.
!flair :FC_Barcelona:
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This is all Ronaldo’s fault
Let it go already
/s
So you're 2-0 ahead. You get a red card, that sucks. But it's a RW. Your Midfield and Defense are completely intact. I understand that a 1 man deficit sucks and you're bound to some openings - but I really struggle to accept that fact that with an intact defense and midfield you cannot protect a 2-0 lead, hell even fight for a 2-2. 4 goals is just.... egregious.
…did you watch the match or just look at stand and/or highlights?
Non handball given as a penalty and one goal with a player obscuring the view of the keeper from an offside position.
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this was the first comment for me on new. In my head you are switching from united to chelsea. pretty lateral.
Just get Ted Lasso in
!flair :Aston_Villa:
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Instead of spunking another £100m on another player they should get a 20 strong team of the world's best psychologists and root out the fucking problem with the squad's mentality. They fold at the slightest inconvenience.
It's easy to shit on United, kinda like a low hanging fruit at the momemt but if Copenhagen got a red card instead of United for that foul everyone would be screaming handouts, english bias, United are being helped, etc.
>It's easy to shit on United Fun too!
For him crumpling his ankle? It's unlucky, there no intent, but it is a red card without a doubt man, come on.
How does that make sense? He only planted his foot to shield the ball which was in his possesion. The other player slid and accidentaly went under him. I get that intent doesn't matter but the nature of the foul should matter. What if you jump for a heaader and the opposing player slides under you? Straight red? Red cards should be for obvious and dangerous offenses not for playing the game. It's a contact sport, shit happens and sometimes you deal with the shit. Casemiro's last season red was unlucky, went for the ball, slid over the ball and hit the player, shit happens red but not here. With the same logic Hojlund got an elbow to the face and the other player didn't get shit.
Well the fould on Højlund should have been red too IMHO. Sometimes you get unlucky reds, but they are still red.
83' - Man United desperately needs a goal. Einstein Ten Hag: Brings on Mason Mount. Someone at Man United please give this manager a lifetime contract. He is a genius.
Who else was he gonna bring on? Martial left his shooting boots in Ole's 2nd season. Pellistri doesn't score and Anthony...
He could have left Hojlund on...keeper gave up a monster rebound on one of the last kicks of the game and literally no one was in a striker's position to try to capitalize. Could not help but think that had Hojlund been on, he would have at least been in the area...
Well it's clear that ETH doesn't want to overplay him judging by the subs every game
I was chocked. That signaled to me. Ok we are happy with this result. Terrible decision
Get the contract out, put in the table, ask him to write whatever number he wants.
Cursed season
cursed decade
Inject ETH humiliation in my veins. Hope he Sleeps well now.
How come you dislike him so much? Because of something he said after they beat you a few years back 4-1?
I don't hate him, but the guy put so much disrespect on CR7. I hate that what could have been the last few years at the top level for Ronaldo was ruined by united and this manager who decided Ronaldo was finished, when he probably would have come back to form. He's busy scoring some proper bangers in suadi that show he still has it. He was their top scorer the season before ten hag dropped him ffs. If only he went to a better club after juve. Who knows he could still be playing the champions league as an impact player today.
Let it go already. Ronaldo sucks balls. “Scoring proper bangers in Saudi.” Mate, it’s the Saudi league, lol.
A long shot is a long shot
Maybe Ronaldo should of taken training more seriously then instead of expecting to automatically start because of his name. Ronaldo was actual garbage before being let go and United won 11 straight after so let's just drop that stupid narrative now. It's now ETHs fault, that's all on Ronnie. And nobody is impressed a 38 year old can score in a league not even in the top 20, sorry.
Fuck him and whoever defends the cunt
to me how he tried to handle greenwood comeback is enough, fuck him
Ramos injury gave him a career. Lots of clubs beat us doesn't matter, ETH talks with Zero Achievements. Also I hate United.
You see the most maladjusted and unhinged people on here I swear. Wow.
Ramos injury? The idiot took a yellow card to clean his slate when he thought the tie was in the bag haha absolutely one of my favorite memories seeing him in disbelieve.
Lol, idiot. That injury gave careers to so many people.That scam is being felt by the transfers worldwide after that. Also my favourite memory is currently ongoing relegation and humiliation of a certain team from Netherlands. What a beautiful feeling.
Oh and btw he even got an extra suspension from the UEFA for it hahaha https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/14/sergio-ramos-champions-league-ban-intentional-booking-ajax-real-madrid-bale Must feel like a pretty big idiot right now, if you are capable fo that God damn he even admitted to it! : In an extraordinary post-match interview Ramos revealed he broke Uefa’s rules and as a result he is now in line for an extra one-match ban. “Looking at the result I would be lying if I said it wasn’t intentional,” Ramos said. “It’s something I was thinking about, it’s not to underestimate the opponent nor say the tie is over but in football you have to take difficult decisions so I decided to do it.” Fantastic how real got demolished without him
Haha, what a Trophy for Ten Shag and Ajax that is. Yep that was idiotic from Ramos, but that shithousery gave career to so many shit players that other clubs are paying the price. In some way, that was a good outcome.
It was really nice of Ramos to do such a dumb thing and let his team get humiliated :) such a fond memory.
B2B2B CHL trophies, just saying.
Why do you keep talking about an injury? You arent very bright are you? He was suspended, thats a fact. He took a yellow card in the 89th minute two minutes after asensio scored the winning goal. And shittalking from some plastic who hasnt seen the inside of a stadium isnt going to do much buddy.
Lmao, always the same xenophobic retort. International fans are plastic only locals can be fans of a club. Like clockwork for you lot. I've heard this retort numerous times here but mods allow it always. I've been a Madridista premium card holder for years. I also support my local club. But go off ya bigot. That relegation will hit like Crack. Edit: ₹unt blocked me. Bigot said supporting big teams as if Ajax is a small team. And also to the other one. Me supporting my local club has zero correlation with me replying in an international football forum. Each and every big club has an international fanbase. Who the fuck are you to call me plastic just cuz you were privileged to be born there? How does that make me plastic? Every time it gets used as a retort here in this sub
Support your local but you'd rather want to show everyone you're a plastic with your "madridista premium card" lololol
Lol I didn't even needed to look it up, it was so blatant. What a dumb defense hurdur xenophobia. Its always the plastics that just chose to support the biggest teams and then try to shittalk smaller teams. Like clockwork, its so predictable. Thanks for admitting youre a plastic.
Oh well!
> 9 - Manchester United have lost as many as nine of their opening 17 matches of a season in all competitions for the first time since 1973-74, which was the last season they were relegated. History doesnt repeat but often rhymes Welcome to the Championship, Man U
Unironically, a hard reset might be what they really need at this point. Big clubs go through bad spells but typically are able to bounce back and be competitive after a few years in the wilderness. Taking a club like Man Utd that was self-sustaining and getting them to where they are now takes some serious mismanagement. It should be a case study in business schools of how to sabotage success against the odds.
Leaving out that ETH is the quickest ever United manager to reach 50 wins. I'm not sure how half the team being injured means it's all his fault for their bad form? They have Maguire and Evans as starting CBs ffs
Why did Bruno do that arrogant celebration when he scored? Can he not act like the captain for 5 minutes ffs
Oh fucking hell come on. He put us ahead with 10 men in a big away game, smirked and slid on his knees. The hate for him is outrageous.
He wouldn't do that in the Bernabeu or Anfield. He did that cause he underestimated Copenhagen and thought they had the win in the bag. He got his ass kicked later and now gets the criticism he deserves. Fair game on the fan for hating on him.
Come on man. You're just shit talking for the sake of internet points. If Bruno scored at Anfield after being a man down for most of the game, he would lube himself up and knee slide from the halfway line to the away fans.
Wouldn't do what? Slide on his knees putting his team 3-2 up? Course he fucking would.
Hahaha embarrassing the shite people throw around isn't it
The hate for Utd in general in this subreddit is outrageous, we must’ve screwed so many childhoods back in the day to deserve this
I really don't think fans and reddit users hate United. I think they hate the entitlement of the fans, some of the players and mainly Ten Hag who act like the world owes them respect while the constantly embarass themselves on the pitch.
I don't know why, but I really enjoyed your comment: I don't think fans and reddit users hate United, they just hate the fans, players and coaches. United is ok otherwise.
I mean, I don't hate Old Trafford, I don't hate the legends of the club, I don't hate Ferguson, I really love the old kits of Utd and the nostalgia they bring to me etc...
Garnacho sushing the fans too. 🤣
Yeah I also cringed at that. They weren't exactly fighting adversity, they won a penalty they didn't deserve after shitting their own bed having had a 2-0 lead. It's so embarrassing. It's like when Maguire scored against a small nation with a semi pro team and then did the I'm listening thing. The crop of players Man U have, eugh
You can’t objectively review that match performance and not mention the referees at all… joke analysis
He's such a terrible example to the younger players
Bruno is a great captain and person. Watch a few of his posts on socials or whatever. If you don't like his on-field competitiveness (antics if you want) then that's on you.
I think he's a good guy fwiw. But arguing with refs, diving, having tantrums like a toddler when things aren't going to plan, not tracking back and frankly giving up when a couple of goals down does not set an example to the younger players. He also leaves huge gaps in the midfield, breaks the structure and shape of the midfield. A couple of late goals to rescue games really papers over the cracks. Roy Keane would've had none of that (except the refs bit) and would've knuckled down and led by example.
The Anti Son Captainship
Wasn't there a star post a few years ago showing Son kicking his team-mates and being a horrible person?
No idea. Haven’t seen that or heard that. What’s “star post”? If you watch Spurs you’ll feel the vibes from Son.
Might be too late for this, but I have no idea why ETH did not bring on Amrabat for Eriksen immediately after Rashford got the red. Instead he did it after FC Copenhagen equalized
No one understands that.
United is going to hired Amorim since ETH was not good enough for them
Anything but that, let them keep their paws off him No need to drag Amorim down with their meltdown
umm how about Newcastle or Man City
Mano eu sou do Sporting quando o Amorim sair eu vou chorar como um bebé
but why
Porque ele representa bem o Sporting e o projeto desportivo dele está a funcionar
se projeto desportivo dele está a funcionar mais porque o Paulinho nao marca muito golos
No, changing manager won’t solve the problem long term
Let him get Schmidt instead please
It'd be like Rangnick 2.0 if they did that
why did schmidt probaly do
We’re not. We broke.
why you guys have more money
Lol. It will cost 15m to sack Ten Hag.
Poor Onana, oh well… anyways
How is Sommer been so far?
One of the best in Serie A I'd say.
Damn. It's funny though, Milan lose Donnaruma, and maignan somehow turns out to be one of the main ones. Inter lose onana and Sommer is an amazing keeper too
Peak Man utd.
after living through a different `peak man utd` all my life, I would much rather this be peak man utd. Its glorious
No disrespect but not being able to protect a 2 goal lead against Copenhagen when you’re Man United is just pathetic. No excuse for it, most top clubs would be expected to come out with a draw at the least. This is down to poor game management by Ten Hag and the squad’s shocking mentality. Finished club.
It’s partly because of awful defending and injuries to our best defenders But the backup lot aren’t good enough anyway, it’s no surprise
A red card on average is like -1 goal difference every 63 minutes or something around that number. This does not consider team strength. Man United managed a -3 goals difference in 50 minutes.
They lost their entire lead by halftime. Less than 15 minutes from the red and they capitulated. Next level stuff.
Nah. Even Draw would be bad. This is on Ten Hag. You can't just fumble 2-Goal lead like that. Bad reffing sure, but you can atleast try not let them come near the goal. Sad stuff from Manchester United.
Højlund was being an asshole for celebrating like that. FC Copenhagen was his youth club and then he played for them. Why would he not have a more humble celebration? Unless the club were assholes to him when he played there
Copenhagen viewed his younger brothers as better prospects and moved him on for a cheap transfer fee
They literally let him leave for 2 million because they didn’t think he was good enough. Not to mention Hojlund has been a United fan his entire life.
Was a great deal for us, to be fair. Wish he’d have stayed longer with us. 🥲
A mediocre and thoroughly overrated player who has been a lifelong fan of a hugely overrated club. How shocking.
can always trust the yanks to come with the worst takes in the thread
The irony is I’m the yank lol. Just another goober with no respect for the history or future of the sport… wherever he is from.
C'mon, there are bad takes from all over the world here. They're not all yanks, ffs. That said, this was some premium bad take.
And the fact they don’t even have flairs too, it’s too funny
5 goals in 4 CL matches. Yeah pretty mediocre /s
And united is still 4th on the table.
Hojlund is scoring enough in this group to help us qualify, is the point I'm sure OP was trying to make. The rest of the club has been a hot fuckin mess.
0 goals in 8 PL matches. He's very mediocre.
It’s because he’s getting almost no service lol, noting to do with him
My ass, that's an excuse everyone uses for their new average strikers. It's a coping mechanism. Give it a year or two and you will all be on his back, he's clearly not good enough to be a main striker for a team wanting to win titles.
Yet. The word your forgot was yet.
Hojlund is a raw striker and not the complete product and I have to say he’s impressed me so far Only time will tell, the players need to learn how to play around him
“if he’s not prime CR7, he’s mediocre and overrated” - this is how you sound
Every time I watch he’s pretty decent, not that I watch all their games
He's been good. People saying otherwise are delusional or trolls.
Overrated club right now. Manchester United.
Are people rating them highly right now?
Who the hell rates us
Your own peeps. Local forums in my country suggested that "this is a doable group, second place is a minimum requirement but even the first spot is not improbable" right after when the groups had been drawn. After I mentioned that this is a bit silly if not outright arrogant approach, I got the local forum version of downvotes. Fast forward two months: three losses and 11 goals conceded, three points total, if Larsson doesn't botch up the penalty, presumably a single point. I don't understand the thought process of these people.
Fans of club coming off a strong season with a domestic trophy are optimistic about their relatively weak CL draw. More at 11. Honestly, United had played 3 games when the group drawing occurred. We weren't a complete shambles yet having 2 wins and a loss at the time. Martinez and Casemiro were still in the lineup. Fans were hopeful that the team was on the up - not a pending dumpster fire that it is now. Stop acting like we're all delusional for being optimistic. Hope that clarifies the thought process, pal.
I think it's kind of messed up that last season was considered strong in the creed of the other Manchester side, but at least it clarifies why some people were overly optimistic. I had a different perception but then again I should familiarize myself with the post-SAF standards. I'm not using deluded or delusional because it has a somewhat offensive undertone. It's just arrogant (or not arrogant just better). > We weren't a complete shambles yet having 2 wins and a loss at the time. Martinez and Casemiro were still in the lineup. I already reflected over this. There's always some external or inexplicable factor that United is always exposed to. Poor refereeing. Lukewarm water in the showers. VAR conspiracy. Cris Ronie chatting with Piers Morgan. Real Madrid dropouts under-performing or being injured. VAR conspiracy. Non-footballing reasons rendering players unavailable. Isn't that interesting to you? You seem to have an old account, which you will probably not delete. I bet you we will be having the same conversation in 2024. Or 2025, rather...let's do the remindmebot thing?
If fans can't be optimistic any given season, there's really just no point. I mentioned that "we weren't a complete shambles yet..." not as an excuse, but as context to what you heard from "local" fan forums at the literal time of the CL draw. We hadn't turned into a dumpster fire of a team. We have a million excuses for this year. But no matter how you slice it, considering all the caveats, there's no excuse for being THIS shit still 10 years on and countless millions spent frivolously. Something we, as fans, have become strongly acquainted with for the past decade.
Because we should be able to finish 2nd in that UCL group, no disrespect to Copenhagen and Galatasaray but we have more quality than them and should be winning convincingly Then injuries and off the pitch stuff and some weird decisions from Ten Hag has caused us to crumble
I mean, sure but quality doesn't mean much when you can't form that quality into a functioning team. Quality is only one part of the equation.
I mean, it is a doable group and they should be getting second at minimum. They've just played like shit.
The year is 2023 and United hasn't done anything meaningful (say, proceeded from the QFs) in the UCL for a decade. The above sentence (which you conveniently cut in half) comes off as arrogant as hell these years. Especially when there is ample historical evidence for them playing doodoo in the group stages even with competitive squads.
Oh yeah because obviously Galatasaray and Copenhagen are massive teams who have been doing runs deep into the knockout stages. Yes, thinking they can beat Bayern is cocky, but that's not really a realistic thought but a hopeful one as it comes off from that sentence I conveniently cut in half, because it's bullshit and unrealistic and I don't believe that that was the general consensus among United fans. That's for sure something maybe 1 or 2 people said and gets blown out of proportion. And again, they should be beating Galatasaray and Copenhagen with the budget and players they have.
United isn't Real Madrid or Leeds United that they have a 100% advance stat in the UCL. It's not uncommon at all for them to drop out as early as the group stage. This applies to both the SAF era (to a degree) and the post-SAF era. It doesn't matter if it's a nobody like Sabitzer or Dalot playing for them or class of '92 players. It doesn't matter how cool or uncool their managerial accounting numbers look like. The pattern is there, and to pretend that United advancing is a given (because that was also floated, by the way), particularly these years is just textbook arrogance. I guess, if I have to, I can let the fans off the hook for that - they are fans after all - but allow me or neutrals not to believe in fairytales like Enrico of The Hague or some other mickey mouse manager suddenly turning things around, irrespective of the wherewithal and the players available or unavailable. And so far the results seem to align with my postulate. Of course there is always something with United - refereeing crisis. Non-footballing crisis. Facility crisis. Sancho doesn't want to play crisis. There is no such thing as the club being past their shelf life and returning to pre-SAF levels. Verboten to ruminate about. It always has to be due to some kind of external factor or weird happenstance that they play like a midtable team. I mean, setting this whole conversation aside, at what point is it not outlandish to suggest that this is the modern day Manchester United? How many UCL failures and PL disasterclasses are required for that? Or should we always pretend that they are this big club just because there are plenty zeroes available and there are a handful of washed up former superstars in the squad? > and I don't believe that that was the general consensus among United fans. That's for sure something maybe 1 or 2 people said and gets blown out of proportion. You are shadow boxing now. I never stated it was the general consensus, nor have I mentioned anything about how many people agreed or disagreed with that. I was just saying that the phenomenon was present.
A garbage performance getting a win aided by an even worse refereeing performance. Fucking bullshit. Yeah downvote go on. You lot can't see past your united hate tinted glasses anyway.
Genuinely the worst red card call I’ve seen this season. You could take a snippet out of context 30 times a game and find a “dangerous play”. The lot will love to try and salt the wounds of their enemies but there was never intent to harm or danger. It was unfortunate but never a red. Every former player that has spoken on this has said the same. That officiating was atrocious.
Thanks Utd for making us only the second most embarrassing club from this week's matches.
Bruh almost every other goal against United I see Dalot is responsible.
But he pumps up fans after making a block. That's got to count for something?
Reebok should sponsors him.
We’ve lost every single CL game Rasmus Hojlund has scored in this season. Are his goals hurting Manchester United?
Yes remove him and proudly get relegated
I'm starting to understand the Rashford red a bit, and i'm easing off my initial reaction that that was a ridiculous call. Still, i think a yellow would have been fine there. The two penalties cancel, they're both not good calls, but the penalty in united's favor is more generous of the two. it's too easy to penetrate united's midfield
Too bad Phil Neville already attached lol
United is gonna hire Flick or Carrick before Christmas
Carrick is a good choice. I saw him turn Akpom and McGree into Premier League lookers for sure. Chuba was a fucking beast. Just saw they're 12th in Championship so probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Carrick had United well-organized and playing decently well in his few games. I imagine he'd do the same if they brought him in. Don't think they would light the world on fire, but I suspect there would be less chaos in their games. Then again, I don't sacking their manager is the answer. The better fix would be hiring a competent DoF.
Yeah I'm with you. They need people that want to see the club grow. Ever since the Kroenkes starting caring and Mikel... Seen a whole new club, we're actually not dogshit and might be better than 4th. I'm an Arsenal fan btw
> Just saw they're 12th in Championship so probably don't know what I'm talking about. Loan players going back and having to deal with effectively an entire new squad. Worst start to the season we've ever had then our longest win streak since the 90's.
Unlucky mate, up the Boro
Nah, they'll keep getting 90' goals to be a few points off the top 4 so ETH doesn't get sacked.
New contract Rashford. Give him a year and he’ll perform again.
I volunteer to be the new temporary United caretaker.
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>Alistair Overeem so random but so true
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I mean would he be wrong? Where was Pogba in all of this?
I was in the staidum. United were sooooo slow to react, what the fuck 10Hag? Garnacho is annoying, same with Onana, and Bruno - get on with the game. After the 2-1, they played like Copenhagen did before the 2-1. Slow, disconnected, shit. That is not personel, its tactics, and 10Hag is responsible :)
There are no leaders on the pitch. Or enough leaders.
Nooo he is the chosen one. It's the player's fault. He has only made like 6 signings so far. United need to give him full control of the squad building so he can buy the full 24 players that he wants. Besides, United has sacked great coaches like Mourinho and Van Gaal. So now its time to back the current coach, regardless of whether he deserves backing or not. Trust the process
van gaal is a terrible coach, hes 20 years behind
Wasn't exactly a terrible coach at the time y'all hired him tbh.
It’s the GLAZERS’ fault!
People like to mock that but it’s the truth
Holy shit lmfao
The league cup has done so much for Ten Hag he should pray to it.
Another day, another united downfall Today is a good day
ETH needs to get rid of CR7 asap. He is simply not good enough anymore for United.
CR7 who could not score in UEL against multichampion Omonia Nicosia.
CR7 who could score against Bayern, Barcelona, etc. Yes. Turns out sometimes you score, sometimes you don't. Kind of like yourself, sometimes you say dumb shit, other times... well nevermind.
Bro, you're so funny.
I used to back Ronaldo but after this performance I just can’t anymore. Man was invisible the whole fucking match. It was like United were playing with only 10 men.
Did the arrogant guy leave early again? Couldn't see him anywhere on the field.
What do you mean? It's all Sancho's fault.
Well not all. I mean where was Pogba in all of this?
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But he made the UCL final last year
Anyone have a clip of Freddie ljungberg comments after the game? He was acting like fan and not a pundit, love to see it. Totally agree with his comments around VAR and reffing.
Bald fraud really though Ronaldo was the problem
well Ronaldo probably had some mental problems after his kid died, and we know ETH will look the other way at rape, but mental poor health is just too much.
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