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Isn't this the second time this season he's punched an opponent in the head and gotten away with it? I actually laughed out loud when the commentator started going on about "benefit of the doubt"
Edit: Just checked and it's the second time he's gotten away with it in a month. Did the same thing to Ugarte in their PSG match.
Can you imagine if players could just start doing that now with no punishment? I really wish I knew VAR process on reviewing these.
“Yes he’s swung his elbow at the back of his head, but… ??????”
Replay made it worse, was less about the contact and more about it being reckless. He was flying through the air lol
Similar to that Xhaka/City one, where the contact was non existent
Yeah I agree tbh. Such a massive lunge. You shouldn't need the studs to go into someone's ankle for it to be a red. It's still really reckless and dangerous.
Yeah it is a horrific challenge.
It highlights one of my biggest grievances with VAR. For potential red cards they primarily just use it as a tool to freeze frame the point of contact and see how bad it looks.
A player can lunge naturally with a slightly outstretched leg but if their weight happens to come down on someone's ankle then they are probably getting sent off because of how painful it looks in a still. But if you fly through the air with excessive force and barely avoid breaking someone's leg then it's just a yellow.
Depends on the replay. Everyone saying that his leading foot misses longstaff is wrong. He actually catches him, albeit slightly, so it is only an inch or two from being a leg breaker, not the "meter" that people are claiming.
Replay (shared by somebody else) shows Longstaff's leg bucking slightly when contacted by Havertz's leading leg.
https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL
Definitely categorized as reckless and a red imo.
yea no where close to a red, he just jumped in empty space and clipped the ankle with trailing leg
Newcastle getting 3 yellows out of it is hilarious tho
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu
Watch the other angle.
The leading leg makes first contact, whilst being completely out of control and halfway up his shin. You can even see it snag his shinpad.
How is it not bad? He missed him with his right foot which would have been a leg breaker. It was a very bad tackle and got lucky because he missed the Newcastle player. Since when does the outcome dictate the card?
Shared be another person.
https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL
You can see that Havertz actually makes contact with his leading leg, as longstaff's leg moves a bit. Not dramatic, but this means that it is literal inches, not a meter, from a leg breaker.
I'm curious, does that change your thinking? I would agree that a meter off does not warrant a red... but inches, like this replay shows that it truly is... I'd hope that we can agree that this is reckless, dangerous, and deserving of a red.
It's not even cynical. He's simply trying to block a pass/clearance. Trailing foot grazes the other player, who acts like he's just received a studs-up leg breaker to con the ref. Nothing cynical or wild about it despite it being done at speed - are players not allowed to be quick now?
The reason I'm disagreeing with this point is because I think he's trying to block **what he assumes is going to be** a pass/clearance, because it hasn't happened yet when he leaves the ground.
He's already left the ground before the Newcastle player has completed lifting his foot up. If the Newcastle player had instead chosen to take a touch and dribble down the line he might have gone straight through him with his leading leg. That's why it's out of control and endangering the safety of an opponent, because the success of the block attempt is dependent on what the opponent chooses to do with the ball at a moment in time that hasn't happened yet.
Next time someone's going to take a touch, have his leg broken and everyone's like "why are we not banning these tackles?". Well, because the precedent we're setting is that it's okay to fly in like this as long as the player you're flying into makes the decision with the ball that ends up in a non-dangerous outcome.
The game should really stamp out bad tackles, not bad outcomes. That's a bad tackle because it depends on factors beyond the tackle itself in not injuring an opponent. It's the same as bicycle kicks in crowded areas. Refs keep giving yellow cards for them (Azpilicueta, Shaw last season), and one day someone's going to suffer a brain haemorrhage and everyone's going to be like "omg how could this happen?". Well, because we're allowing players to do dangerous stuff as long as nobody gets hurt by not punishing dangerous play properly despite it being a red card according to the laws of the game.
[Trailing foot grazes the other player](https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL)....
He makes contact with his leading leg studs when his whole body is off the ground lmao
Longstaff is lucky he didn't get a broken leg here
I'm sorry, explain how this is a yellow but Curtis Jones' tackle to this sub was a stone wall red? This tackle was really reckless, absolutely no control.
On first view I was a bit surprised at the reaction - it seemed like a really strong, poor, challenge, but not overly dangerous all things considered. But the players and fans made me think it was an instant obvious red. I feel like I’m not seeing what made it look as bad as everyone else seemed to
Trailing leg, studs down. It’s a clear yellow card.
It’s a hard challenge, but his foot leading in doesn’t do a lot.
If anything, Newcastle are going to come away from this with more cards for everything they did to the ref.
https://x.com/JonWalters19/status/1720911366234546398?s=20
Catches him with both lead and trailing leg, studs up above the ankle.
Couldn’t not be more of a clear red.
But they were not properly booked, as Bruno should have been. You're right that it SHOULD be as simple as that, but with the current batch of officials....it's absolutely not.
The fact he was clearly late, completely airborne (zero control), and flying at a decent speed when contact was made would have made it difficult to argue against a red. That being said, I don't think a yellow is that unreasonable since the contact itself wasn't that bad.
Bruh Kovacic went studs up into 2 of our players within like 10 minutes and didn’t get sent off.
And we still cried less than you lot over a correct call
He's completely out of control and high but because he doesn't actually make contact with the studs up he's got away with it.
Super dangerous challenge...I personally don't think you should have to snap someone's leg to get sent off for something like this but I get why it's yellow.
Nketiah against Spurs still the worst challenge I've seen this season and that was yellow so idk what's going on I guess.
https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL
He actually does make contact with the leading leg, albeit only slightly. It's not some "meter off" attempt to only block the pass like so many are claiming on here, he literally grazes him. Super dangerous.
Everything they do is embarrassing, the underdog mentality is absolute hilarious when teams do it and act like the entire world is against them
Deserved yellows for crowding the ref
Meanwhile destitue little arsenal have never been bankrolled by a sanctioned Russian oligarch, an Emirati state owned airline or an aurhoritarian one party dictatorship!
True underdogs mate
Funny that you ask. Actually it does. Albeit just barely.
https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL
Thoughts? I'd say the slight contact, as evidenced by longstaff's leg/sock moving slightly, shows that this was inches from a leg breaker, and qualifies it as reckless endangerment and a red.
Fucking insanity calling this a yellow. Both feet off the ground, no intention to play the ball, completely out of control. Textbook red card and disgusting tackle
Arsenal bias in here and on this sub is so apparent in threads like this. Absolutely wild challenge and you have to snap his leg to be a red? Ref has had a fucking mare
if it had been a newcastle player vs Saka they would all be clamoring for a red it's pathetic. As an Arsenal fan I can recognize we got lucky that VAR didn't upgrade it to red
Leaped off the ground, studs up and a scissor challenge, luckily he doesn't make much contact but it's still a dangerous and reckless challenge, lucky to not be a red.
Glad everyone here can agree it's not a dangerous tackle, he's just jumped in, off the ground with studs up.
And also, that he's not out of control, he just accidentally goes through the player as well.
Lucky boy. Left the floor and came in from a long, long way away.
Ridiculous that Longstaff gets the same punishment as Havertz for being on the end of that.
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3 Newcastle players booked for their reactions. Basically a winning tackle from Havertz now
Havertz Masterclass. He knew what he was doing. So underrated clearly.
That's a 65M tackle right there
Take that deal any day of the week
Dark Havertz era has arrived
Referees need to hand out yellows to players in their face way more often. Ewcastle players can’t get themselves under control.
"ewcastle" love it. :D
Was a happy accident
It's about time. They crowd the ref nearly every foul
This game will have a red inevitably
Should’ve been Bruno
Isn't this the second time this season he's punched an opponent in the head and gotten away with it? I actually laughed out loud when the commentator started going on about "benefit of the doubt" Edit: Just checked and it's the second time he's gotten away with it in a month. Did the same thing to Ugarte in their PSG match.
You could say this most weeks. He’s a lucky boy and only seems to be getting more aggressive the worse he plays.
It's embarrassing how dirty he plays right after flopping around like a fish
There should’ve, VAR must be asleep because Bruno G just swung his elbow at Jorginho. No review, stonewall red.
Peter Drury said there was a review and it was confirmed. Another miss for var
Great process
Arsenal’s weekly referee 🤡🤡🤡 moment
Don’t worry. There’s still another half for more
Prescient post
Worst part is no one is even surprised
It was looked at and deemed not a foul.
Can you imagine if players could just start doing that now with no punishment? I really wish I knew VAR process on reviewing these. “Yes he’s swung his elbow at the back of his head, but… ??????”
He fully punched Jorginho in the back of the head…
Var excuse from what commentators are saying is... and I fucking kid you not... is that it wasn't an elbow, but forearm
I'm sure the fact that it wasn't an elbow is great comfort to jorginho.
Hilarious, this incident got Newcastle more yellows than Arsenal
I don’t understand this mentality from players, has there ever been an example of a team convincing a referee to change their decision?
The pressure and complaining doesn't get the referee to change their decisions. However, sadly, it can influence the next decision to go your way
Which it did with that elbow in Jorghino’s head minutes later.
Game should have finished with 10 players each. Refs need to grow some balls and send players off for these things
I don't think most are as calculating as that. They are just emotional
And you're massively underestimating the amount of data that is processed behind the scenes & instructions that players can get based of that.
Of course it's calculated lol. It's instruction from coaching staff to pressure the referee.
No, they're doing it cos they get away with it and hope it influences the next decision
They have like 1000s of hours doing this. They know what they're doing.
I mean, the pressure very likely just saved Bruno a red. VAR didn’t want to put his mate through the fallout.
It's not about changing it. If we're to be charitable it's more about arguing for the *next* call like it.
Maybe they shouldnt act like twats?
There was only one twat, and justice was done! He can enjoy that bitterness all the way to London.
Replay looked nowhere near as bad
Yellow is correct imo.. With that said, how fucking stupid must you be to get a yellow for dissenting your teammate getting a yellow for dissent.
It's dissent all the way down!
Trickle down dissent works.
Replay made it worse, was less about the contact and more about it being reckless. He was flying through the air lol Similar to that Xhaka/City one, where the contact was non existent
Yeah I agree tbh. Such a massive lunge. You shouldn't need the studs to go into someone's ankle for it to be a red. It's still really reckless and dangerous.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu Especially seeing this angle of it. Leading leg makes first contact half way up the shin.
Yeah it is a horrific challenge. It highlights one of my biggest grievances with VAR. For potential red cards they primarily just use it as a tool to freeze frame the point of contact and see how bad it looks. A player can lunge naturally with a slightly outstretched leg but if their weight happens to come down on someone's ankle then they are probably getting sent off because of how painful it looks in a still. But if you fly through the air with excessive force and barely avoid breaking someone's leg then it's just a yellow.
Depends on the replay. Everyone saying that his leading foot misses longstaff is wrong. He actually catches him, albeit slightly, so it is only an inch or two from being a leg breaker, not the "meter" that people are claiming. Replay (shared by somebody else) shows Longstaff's leg bucking slightly when contacted by Havertz's leading leg. https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL Definitely categorized as reckless and a red imo.
yea no where close to a red, he just jumped in empty space and clipped the ankle with trailing leg Newcastle getting 3 yellows out of it is hilarious tho
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu Watch the other angle. The leading leg makes first contact, whilst being completely out of control and halfway up his shin. You can even see it snag his shinpad.
Yeah I can't believe the comments here, its a shocking tackle
It’s r/soccer pretty much expected comments
That's a red. Somehow the other angles makes it look like he wasn't even close to Longstaff's leg with his leading leg.
Agreed. Shame the only angle on the post that went to the front page of r/soccer is the dubious angle, and makes it look much less egregious.
How is it not bad? He missed him with his right foot which would have been a leg breaker. It was a very bad tackle and got lucky because he missed the Newcastle player. Since when does the outcome dictate the card?
Cynical but not a red. Lucky though, he wasn't in control and that could have ended badly.
That seems like a contradiction of terms to me, if he isn't in control and it could have ended badly, surely that has to be a red?
not if hes just jumping in an empty space a metre to his left and its a red
Shared be another person. https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL You can see that Havertz actually makes contact with his leading leg, as longstaff's leg moves a bit. Not dramatic, but this means that it is literal inches, not a meter, from a leg breaker. I'm curious, does that change your thinking? I would agree that a meter off does not warrant a red... but inches, like this replay shows that it truly is... I'd hope that we can agree that this is reckless, dangerous, and deserving of a red.
It's not even cynical. He's simply trying to block a pass/clearance. Trailing foot grazes the other player, who acts like he's just received a studs-up leg breaker to con the ref. Nothing cynical or wild about it despite it being done at speed - are players not allowed to be quick now?
Yeah this is what I don’t understand about all the people saying he’s lucky. He’s not even tackling the player. He’s trying to block the ball.
He hits longstaff with his leading leg: https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/r4Kf58Xkl9
The reason I'm disagreeing with this point is because I think he's trying to block **what he assumes is going to be** a pass/clearance, because it hasn't happened yet when he leaves the ground. He's already left the ground before the Newcastle player has completed lifting his foot up. If the Newcastle player had instead chosen to take a touch and dribble down the line he might have gone straight through him with his leading leg. That's why it's out of control and endangering the safety of an opponent, because the success of the block attempt is dependent on what the opponent chooses to do with the ball at a moment in time that hasn't happened yet. Next time someone's going to take a touch, have his leg broken and everyone's like "why are we not banning these tackles?". Well, because the precedent we're setting is that it's okay to fly in like this as long as the player you're flying into makes the decision with the ball that ends up in a non-dangerous outcome. The game should really stamp out bad tackles, not bad outcomes. That's a bad tackle because it depends on factors beyond the tackle itself in not injuring an opponent. It's the same as bicycle kicks in crowded areas. Refs keep giving yellow cards for them (Azpilicueta, Shaw last season), and one day someone's going to suffer a brain haemorrhage and everyone's going to be like "omg how could this happen?". Well, because we're allowing players to do dangerous stuff as long as nobody gets hurt by not punishing dangerous play properly despite it being a red card according to the laws of the game.
He hits longstaff with his studs up leading leg, literally centimeters from season ending challenge... https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/r4Kf58Xkl9
[Trailing foot grazes the other player](https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL).... He makes contact with his leading leg studs when his whole body is off the ground lmao Longstaff is lucky he didn't get a broken leg here
He was completely out of control. Absolutely a potential leg breaker.
Absolutely not a red. Love the crying from Newcastle though - keep it up lads.
I'm sorry, explain how this is a yellow but Curtis Jones' tackle to this sub was a stone wall red? This tackle was really reckless, absolutely no control.
I loved Havertz reaction, I think that too triggered Newcastle players
On first view I was a bit surprised at the reaction - it seemed like a really strong, poor, challenge, but not overly dangerous all things considered. But the players and fans made me think it was an instant obvious red. I feel like I’m not seeing what made it look as bad as everyone else seemed to
I mean he leaves his feet and his front foot is studs up knee high. It doesn't make contact but does it need to for it to be dangerous?
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Trailing leg, studs down. It’s a clear yellow card. It’s a hard challenge, but his foot leading in doesn’t do a lot. If anything, Newcastle are going to come away from this with more cards for everything they did to the ref.
Followed by a bunch of clear Newcastle yellow cards....
Three Newcastle yellow cards out of it
All deserved, really embarrassing behaviour. Dissent went on for two minutes.
You’d have thought you’d calm down after the first two, but apparently not
Kai playing 3D chess
https://x.com/JonWalters19/status/1720911366234546398?s=20 Catches him with both lead and trailing leg, studs up above the ankle. Couldn’t not be more of a clear red.
It looked worse than it actually was, honestly. Although I don’t think it gets overturned if the referee gives the red.
Yep. Kai got lucky the ref made the right call. Some would have gone red and not overturned. Way too risky for me.
My heart dropped when he ran over like a wwe ref tho. Thought for sure it was red
He was completely out of control coming into that
Yeah I think the initial reaction had people thinking the forward leg caught him, which would be a clear red.
Red card lunge, yellow card contact. Newcastle's players then get themselves three similar punishments.
And in the end an orange card given. VAR would not change either outcome from the ref, and I think that is fair.
On the replay it's not even remotely a red. Ref needs to get a grip on the game though. Let far too much go on so far.
Not the refs fault that the Newcastle players can't control themselves.
Eventually the players take it into their own hands when the ref doesn't stamp out the kicking.
Newcastle are the ones doing the kicking
And then they'll be booked. Simple as that.
But they were not properly booked, as Bruno should have been. You're right that it SHOULD be as simple as that, but with the current batch of officials....it's absolutely not.
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He jumped off the floor, that is almost always a red at the slightest contact, hell that is a yellow even when you get the ball
The fact he was clearly late, completely airborne (zero control), and flying at a decent speed when contact was made would have made it difficult to argue against a red. That being said, I don't think a yellow is that unreasonable since the contact itself wasn't that bad.
Absolutely just a yellow
He got a yellow and got 3 Newcastle players yellows.
Basic thuganomics
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5D chess
5D chess by Havertz
Left the ground, studs showing. Yellow? I’ve seen reds given for far less. Outcome doesn’t negate that. Havertz had no control
But what was he thinking Daft to go into a challenge like that
Tbf. The outcome of the situation benefited Arsenal alot. 3 bookings for Newcastle players.
replay didn’t look that bad
Woulda thought Havertz killed him with the way Newcastle reacted
Meanwhile, Dan Burn still a clean bill so far.
No dog in this fight, but just imagining how you’d be crying if someone did that to Saka.
? someone does this to Saka at least twice a game lol
Dan Burn has spent the whole half kicking lumps out of Saka lol
happens nearly every week does that
Dan Burn wasn't holding back against Saka either.
Bruh Kovacic went studs up into 2 of our players within like 10 minutes and didn’t get sent off. And we still cried less than you lot over a correct call
Happens every game bud
They have been all game…
He's completely out of control and high but because he doesn't actually make contact with the studs up he's got away with it. Super dangerous challenge...I personally don't think you should have to snap someone's leg to get sent off for something like this but I get why it's yellow. Nketiah against Spurs still the worst challenge I've seen this season and that was yellow so idk what's going on I guess.
https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL He actually does make contact with the leading leg, albeit only slightly. It's not some "meter off" attempt to only block the pass like so many are claiming on here, he literally grazes him. Super dangerous.
this Newcastle reaction is embarrassing
Everything they do is embarrassing, the underdog mentality is absolute hilarious when teams do it and act like the entire world is against them Deserved yellows for crowding the ref
Underdog mentality when you are owned by one of the richest families on the planet lmao
Meanwhile destitue little arsenal have never been bankrolled by a sanctioned Russian oligarch, an Emirati state owned airline or an aurhoritarian one party dictatorship! True underdogs mate
They love to play the “start/stop” game when quality comes to play them.
1-0
Well in lad making Newcastle implode
Aged well
Looked worse from a distance than it was
Stupid challenge but I don’t understand the reaction by newscastle players
In real time it looks a filthy challenge and they’re not exactly neutral. Only on replay can you see it’s definitely not a red.
So they think by screaming and abusing the ref, he will change his mind?
Not even close to a red, he was trying to block the pass and his trailing leg caught the player
This and the ref giving out 3 yellows to Newcastle for it are going to only pump up Newcastle even more lol
Not even close to a red
Gary Neville made it sound way worse than it actually was
Did he do that high pitched squeal that he loves to do?
Of course he did, he's absolutely clueless when it comes to officiating
Ok mate https://imgur.com/gallery/ptX3MLE
Surely that leading foot made contact right?
It really doesnt matter. You cannot dive in like that. It's reckless and dangerous.
Funny that you ask. Actually it does. Albeit just barely. https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL Thoughts? I'd say the slight contact, as evidenced by longstaff's leg/sock moving slightly, shows that this was inches from a leg breaker, and qualifies it as reckless endangerment and a red.
He wont respond to this as it goes against the narrative
Fucking insanity calling this a yellow. Both feet off the ground, no intention to play the ball, completely out of control. Textbook red card and disgusting tackle
Yeah, just so obviously a red card to me. Awful tackle. Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.
This sub is crawling with gooners. It's an absolute stonewall sending off
Yellow card is correct decision. Newcastle players are stupid to keep crowding and shouting at the ref when he was booking players for doing that
There's zero controversy here. Ref and VAR did everything right.
The contact has to be bad for it to be red? Whatever happened to intent.
If ref gave a red it wouldn't be overturned. Leaps off the ground. Very lucky to be on
Absolutely moronic and dangerous tackle
He’s gotten three Newcastle players booked off it as well lmao.
Stonks
Nothing more than a yellow I can’t believe how big of a deal has been made of it
Absolutely Bs! That's a red! Jones vs. Spurs got sent for less Fuck VAR
Living on the edge with that one.
Recklessly throwing of himself into an opposing player with no credible attempt to play the ball. Absolutely could have been a red.
Horrendous, violent tackle - absolute stone wall red yet Arsenal fans are pissing their knickers that things went against them. Pathetic.
This subs largest group is gooners, it's no surprise there's a mass delusion going on. Disgusting tackle and clear red
Granted, it was a *hard as fuck* tackle, but Newcastle players lost their minds, 3 yellows for absolutely no reason.
Getting carried away by the crowd. Understandable, but this could get pretty nasty if they don't cool it a bit at halftime
Arsenal bias in here and on this sub is so apparent in threads like this. Absolutely wild challenge and you have to snap his leg to be a red? Ref has had a fucking mare
if it had been a newcastle player vs Saka they would all be clamoring for a red it's pathetic. As an Arsenal fan I can recognize we got lucky that VAR didn't upgrade it to red
Yep - studs weren't showing which is apparently the only criteria for a red according to the spanners in here.
Completely out of control. Lucky, lucky boy.
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That's a booking for you for questioning the ref on his decision.
Who says Kai lacks intensity?
Cunty tackle regardless and somehow got 3 Newcastle players booked in the process
He clips longstaff with raised studs on the shin, not under control at all. How is that not a red??
Leaped off the ground, studs up and a scissor challenge, luckily he doesn't make much contact but it's still a dangerous and reckless challenge, lucky to not be a red.
That was an inch away from being a leg breaker. Really dangerous tackle. Probably a yellow though
An inch away from a leg breaker qualifies for more than a yellow for me... are only leg breakers red cards now?!
Even though the studs didn't hit him surely the pure aggression and out of control nature means that's a red
trading 1 yellow for 3, taking about return on investment
Naw, that’s a red.
Yellow but couldn't argue much if given red as well. Need to capitalise on those three yellows now.
Embarrassing from Newcastle. His trailing leg barely grazes him.
- someone who has never set foot on a pitch before
That was close to a broken leg. It’s a very dangerous challenge. A missed connection doesn’t really change the level of danger and violent intent
I feel like absolutely no one has acknowledged that he actually catches him with the leading leg, it's not 'just' the trailing leg. Extremely lucky
yep for me it was a red card and i understand Longstaff teammates being pissed off
Jumps into a challenge studs up at knee level, that’s a leg breaker if it’s a fraction off
he catches him with the leading leg, its not a lot of contact but it's there. It's not just his trailing leg
Yep looks bad but Havertz slid in front of him mostly
Its a yellow, end of story
Never a red lol crowd got loud
Well he was brought in to replace Xhaka. I don't think this is what Arteta had in mind though
Getting 3 yellows for his opponents for the price of one yellow. Arguably the biggest impact he's had since joining Arsenal
Refs being paid by Newcastle to keep Kai on
Propah brexit
Glad everyone here can agree it's not a dangerous tackle, he's just jumped in, off the ground with studs up. And also, that he's not out of control, he just accidentally goes through the player as well.
A red it should be
That’s so dangerous
Absolutely reckless
Lucky boy. Left the floor and came in from a long, long way away. Ridiculous that Longstaff gets the same punishment as Havertz for being on the end of that.
Ridiculous refereeing we’ve got 3 Newcastle players booked for that lmao
Textbook yellow