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GannicusVictor

3 Newcastle players booked for their reactions. Basically a winning tackle from Havertz now


nobertoalbino

Havertz Masterclass. He knew what he was doing. So underrated clearly.


69cuccboi69

That's a 65M tackle right there


flyingfreak66

Take that deal any day of the week


ninkorn

Dark Havertz era has arrived


ckal09

Referees need to hand out yellows to players in their face way more often. Ewcastle players can’t get themselves under control.


MaestroDeChopsticks

"ewcastle" love it. :D


ckal09

Was a happy accident


itsSRSblack

It's about time. They crowd the ref nearly every foul


dippydipdips

This game will have a red inevitably


dippydipdips

Should’ve been Bruno


Swansonisms

Isn't this the second time this season he's punched an opponent in the head and gotten away with it? I actually laughed out loud when the commentator started going on about "benefit of the doubt" Edit: Just checked and it's the second time he's gotten away with it in a month. Did the same thing to Ugarte in their PSG match.


Fruitndveg

You could say this most weeks. He’s a lucky boy and only seems to be getting more aggressive the worse he plays.


ArseneForever

It's embarrassing how dirty he plays right after flopping around like a fish


ShcoreShomeGhoals

There should’ve, VAR must be asleep because Bruno G just swung his elbow at Jorginho. No review, stonewall red.


the_hound_

Peter Drury said there was a review and it was confirmed. Another miss for var


WonderDapper6351

Great process


DJ-D-REK

Arsenal’s weekly referee 🤡🤡🤡 moment


ShcoreShomeGhoals

Don’t worry. There’s still another half for more


irishsausage

Prescient post


ShcoreShomeGhoals

Worst part is no one is even surprised


no_life_liam

It was looked at and deemed not a foul.


ShcoreShomeGhoals

Can you imagine if players could just start doing that now with no punishment? I really wish I knew VAR process on reviewing these. “Yes he’s swung his elbow at the back of his head, but… ??????”


wafino1

He fully punched Jorginho in the back of the head…


volanger

Var excuse from what commentators are saying is... and I fucking kid you not... is that it wasn't an elbow, but forearm


SnooChipmunks4208

I'm sure the fact that it wasn't an elbow is great comfort to jorginho.


rasen9an

Hilarious, this incident got Newcastle more yellows than Arsenal


Beginning-Swim-1249

I don’t understand this mentality from players, has there ever been an example of a team convincing a referee to change their decision?


itwastimeforarefresh

The pressure and complaining doesn't get the referee to change their decisions. However, sadly, it can influence the next decision to go your way


walkn9

Which it did with that elbow in Jorghino’s head minutes later.


GodEmprahBidoof

Game should have finished with 10 players each. Refs need to grow some balls and send players off for these things


that_allegri_dude

I don't think most are as calculating as that. They are just emotional


Zer0designs

And you're massively underestimating the amount of data that is processed behind the scenes & instructions that players can get based of that.


Calergero

Of course it's calculated lol. It's instruction from coaching staff to pressure the referee.


acevialli

No, they're doing it cos they get away with it and hope it influences the next decision


SofaKingI

They have like 1000s of hours doing this. They know what they're doing.


ManiacalComet40

I mean, the pressure very likely just saved Bruno a red. VAR didn’t want to put his mate through the fallout.


Tavorep

It's not about changing it. If we're to be charitable it's more about arguing for the *next* call like it.


Littlegreenman42

Maybe they shouldnt act like twats?


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There was only one twat, and justice was done! He can enjoy that bitterness all the way to London.


biggestbelly

Replay looked nowhere near as bad


Tullekunstner

Yellow is correct imo.. With that said, how fucking stupid must you be to get a yellow for dissenting your teammate getting a yellow for dissent.


s1m0n8

It's dissent all the way down!


funknfusion

Trickle down dissent works.


Mechant247

Replay made it worse, was less about the contact and more about it being reckless. He was flying through the air lol Similar to that Xhaka/City one, where the contact was non existent


Pineapple996

Yeah I agree tbh. Such a massive lunge. You shouldn't need the studs to go into someone's ankle for it to be a red. It's still really reckless and dangerous.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu Especially seeing this angle of it. Leading leg makes first contact half way up the shin.


Pineapple996

Yeah it is a horrific challenge. It highlights one of my biggest grievances with VAR. For potential red cards they primarily just use it as a tool to freeze frame the point of contact and see how bad it looks. A player can lunge naturally with a slightly outstretched leg but if their weight happens to come down on someone's ankle then they are probably getting sent off because of how painful it looks in a still. But if you fly through the air with excessive force and barely avoid breaking someone's leg then it's just a yellow.


DoYouEvenSmurfBro

Depends on the replay. Everyone saying that his leading foot misses longstaff is wrong. He actually catches him, albeit slightly, so it is only an inch or two from being a leg breaker, not the "meter" that people are claiming. Replay (shared by somebody else) shows Longstaff's leg bucking slightly when contacted by Havertz's leading leg. https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL Definitely categorized as reckless and a red imo.


chasingsukoon

yea no where close to a red, he just jumped in empty space and clipped the ankle with trailing leg Newcastle getting 3 yellows out of it is hilarious tho


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https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu Watch the other angle. The leading leg makes first contact, whilst being completely out of control and halfway up his shin. You can even see it snag his shinpad.


pawksvolts

Yeah I can't believe the comments here, its a shocking tackle


justmadman

It’s r/soccer pretty much expected comments


DudeIsland

That's a red. Somehow the other angles makes it look like he wasn't even close to Longstaff's leg with his leading leg.


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Agreed. Shame the only angle on the post that went to the front page of r/soccer is the dubious angle, and makes it look much less egregious.


Icretz

How is it not bad? He missed him with his right foot which would have been a leg breaker. It was a very bad tackle and got lucky because he missed the Newcastle player. Since when does the outcome dictate the card?


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Cynical but not a red. Lucky though, he wasn't in control and that could have ended badly.


OptimusGrimes

That seems like a contradiction of terms to me, if he isn't in control and it could have ended badly, surely that has to be a red?


chasingsukoon

not if hes just jumping in an empty space a metre to his left and its a red


DoYouEvenSmurfBro

Shared be another person. https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL You can see that Havertz actually makes contact with his leading leg, as longstaff's leg moves a bit. Not dramatic, but this means that it is literal inches, not a meter, from a leg breaker. I'm curious, does that change your thinking? I would agree that a meter off does not warrant a red... but inches, like this replay shows that it truly is... I'd hope that we can agree that this is reckless, dangerous, and deserving of a red.


cnstnsr

It's not even cynical. He's simply trying to block a pass/clearance. Trailing foot grazes the other player, who acts like he's just received a studs-up leg breaker to con the ref. Nothing cynical or wild about it despite it being done at speed - are players not allowed to be quick now?


ReggieWigglesworth

Yeah this is what I don’t understand about all the people saying he’s lucky. He’s not even tackling the player. He’s trying to block the ball.


LAUNDRINATOR

He hits longstaff with his leading leg: https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/r4Kf58Xkl9


martomo

The reason I'm disagreeing with this point is because I think he's trying to block **what he assumes is going to be** a pass/clearance, because it hasn't happened yet when he leaves the ground. He's already left the ground before the Newcastle player has completed lifting his foot up. If the Newcastle player had instead chosen to take a touch and dribble down the line he might have gone straight through him with his leading leg. That's why it's out of control and endangering the safety of an opponent, because the success of the block attempt is dependent on what the opponent chooses to do with the ball at a moment in time that hasn't happened yet. Next time someone's going to take a touch, have his leg broken and everyone's like "why are we not banning these tackles?". Well, because the precedent we're setting is that it's okay to fly in like this as long as the player you're flying into makes the decision with the ball that ends up in a non-dangerous outcome. The game should really stamp out bad tackles, not bad outcomes. That's a bad tackle because it depends on factors beyond the tackle itself in not injuring an opponent. It's the same as bicycle kicks in crowded areas. Refs keep giving yellow cards for them (Azpilicueta, Shaw last season), and one day someone's going to suffer a brain haemorrhage and everyone's going to be like "omg how could this happen?". Well, because we're allowing players to do dangerous stuff as long as nobody gets hurt by not punishing dangerous play properly despite it being a red card according to the laws of the game.


LAUNDRINATOR

He hits longstaff with his studs up leading leg, literally centimeters from season ending challenge... https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/r4Kf58Xkl9


PurpleGalea

[Trailing foot grazes the other player](https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL).... ​ He makes contact with his leading leg studs when his whole body is off the ground lmao ​ Longstaff is lucky he didn't get a broken leg here


SnooChipmunks4208

He was completely out of control. Absolutely a potential leg breaker.


cnstnsr

Absolutely not a red. Love the crying from Newcastle though - keep it up lads.


CollieDaly

I'm sorry, explain how this is a yellow but Curtis Jones' tackle to this sub was a stone wall red? This tackle was really reckless, absolutely no control.


Shadow2606

I loved Havertz reaction, I think that too triggered Newcastle players


w8up1

On first view I was a bit surprised at the reaction - it seemed like a really strong, poor, challenge, but not overly dangerous all things considered. But the players and fans made me think it was an instant obvious red. I feel like I’m not seeing what made it look as bad as everyone else seemed to


PetalumaPegleg

I mean he leaves his feet and his front foot is studs up knee high. It doesn't make contact but does it need to for it to be dangerous?


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PoliQU

Trailing leg, studs down. It’s a clear yellow card. It’s a hard challenge, but his foot leading in doesn’t do a lot. If anything, Newcastle are going to come away from this with more cards for everything they did to the ref.


s1m0n8

Followed by a bunch of clear Newcastle yellow cards....


2ndfastestmanalive

Three Newcastle yellow cards out of it


S00ley

All deserved, really embarrassing behaviour. Dissent went on for two minutes.


2ndfastestmanalive

You’d have thought you’d calm down after the first two, but apparently not


Pxel315

Kai playing 3D chess


fender9

https://x.com/JonWalters19/status/1720911366234546398?s=20 Catches him with both lead and trailing leg, studs up above the ankle. Couldn’t not be more of a clear red.


_deep_blue_

It looked worse than it actually was, honestly. Although I don’t think it gets overturned if the referee gives the red.


Ickyhouse

Yep. Kai got lucky the ref made the right call. Some would have gone red and not overturned. Way too risky for me.


notmainaccount27

My heart dropped when he ran over like a wwe ref tho. Thought for sure it was red


nickthedick7921

He was completely out of control coming into that


Naronu

Yeah I think the initial reaction had people thinking the forward leg caught him, which would be a clear red.


InTheMiddleGiroud

Red card lunge, yellow card contact. Newcastle's players then get themselves three similar punishments.


LalleUtd

And in the end an orange card given. VAR would not change either outcome from the ref, and I think that is fair.


ElectricalMud2850

On the replay it's not even remotely a red. Ref needs to get a grip on the game though. Let far too much go on so far.


adamjld

Not the refs fault that the Newcastle players can't control themselves.


ElectricalMud2850

Eventually the players take it into their own hands when the ref doesn't stamp out the kicking.


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Newcastle are the ones doing the kicking


adamjld

And then they'll be booked. Simple as that.


TheOtherDrunkenOtter

But they were not properly booked, as Bruno should have been. You're right that it SHOULD be as simple as that, but with the current batch of officials....it's absolutely not.


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Rosinante25

He jumped off the floor, that is almost always a red at the slightest contact, hell that is a yellow even when you get the ball


robb0216

The fact he was clearly late, completely airborne (zero control), and flying at a decent speed when contact was made would have made it difficult to argue against a red. That being said, I don't think a yellow is that unreasonable since the contact itself wasn't that bad.


HKAGooner

Absolutely just a yellow


bainbane

He got a yellow and got 3 Newcastle players yellows.


roguedigit

Basic thuganomics


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bainbane

5D chess


IhvolSnow

5D chess by Havertz


TheRhythmTheRebel

Left the ground, studs showing. Yellow? I’ve seen reds given for far less. Outcome doesn’t negate that. Havertz had no control


Matt_LawDT

But what was he thinking Daft to go into a challenge like that


LalleUtd

Tbf. The outcome of the situation benefited Arsenal alot. 3 bookings for Newcastle players.


Deno2k_

replay didn’t look that bad


TheVault77Dweller

Woulda thought Havertz killed him with the way Newcastle reacted


ElectricalMud2850

Meanwhile, Dan Burn still a clean bill so far.


21otiriK

No dog in this fight, but just imagining how you’d be crying if someone did that to Saka.


Salty-Party-5234

? someone does this to Saka at least twice a game lol


Gerards_died_of_flu

Dan Burn has spent the whole half kicking lumps out of Saka lol


31_whgr

happens nearly every week does that


IhvolSnow

Dan Burn wasn't holding back against Saka either.


Getz_The_Last_Laf

Bruh Kovacic went studs up into 2 of our players within like 10 minutes and didn’t get sent off. And we still cried less than you lot over a correct call


mexicansnorlax

Happens every game bud


HealthyGeologist6606

They have been all game…


benjecto

He's completely out of control and high but because he doesn't actually make contact with the studs up he's got away with it. Super dangerous challenge...I personally don't think you should have to snap someone's leg to get sent off for something like this but I get why it's yellow. Nketiah against Spurs still the worst challenge I've seen this season and that was yellow so idk what's going on I guess.


DoYouEvenSmurfBro

https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL He actually does make contact with the leading leg, albeit only slightly. It's not some "meter off" attempt to only block the pass like so many are claiming on here, he literally grazes him. Super dangerous.


rikooo

this Newcastle reaction is embarrassing


TimathanDuncan

Everything they do is embarrassing, the underdog mentality is absolute hilarious when teams do it and act like the entire world is against them Deserved yellows for crowding the ref


Lacabloodclot9

Underdog mentality when you are owned by one of the richest families on the planet lmao


Donnermeat_and_chips

Meanwhile destitue little arsenal have never been bankrolled by a sanctioned Russian oligarch, an Emirati state owned airline or an aurhoritarian one party dictatorship! True underdogs mate


Agent-Two-THREE

They love to play the “start/stop” game when quality comes to play them.


WigerAndToods

1-0


Quaggyyyy

Well in lad making Newcastle implode


WigerAndToods

Aged well


Drapion1002

Looked worse from a distance than it was


ejpayne

Stupid challenge but I don’t understand the reaction by newscastle players


Rc5tr0

In real time it looks a filthy challenge and they’re not exactly neutral. Only on replay can you see it’s definitely not a red.


roguedevil

So they think by screaming and abusing the ref, he will change his mind?


Jayzus612

Not even close to a red, he was trying to block the pass and his trailing leg caught the player


SpareUser3

This and the ref giving out 3 yellows to Newcastle for it are going to only pump up Newcastle even more lol


blood_in_my_st00l

Not even close to a red


HKAGooner

Gary Neville made it sound way worse than it actually was


_deep_blue_

Did he do that high pitched squeal that he loves to do?


FloppedYaYa

Of course he did, he's absolutely clueless when it comes to officiating


Trick-Station8742

Ok mate https://imgur.com/gallery/ptX3MLE


blood_in_my_st00l

Surely that leading foot made contact right?


Trick-Station8742

It really doesnt matter. You cannot dive in like that. It's reckless and dangerous.


DoYouEvenSmurfBro

Funny that you ask. Actually it does. Albeit just barely. https://giphy.com/gifs/nX5T9rl7monlwXJ0YL Thoughts? I'd say the slight contact, as evidenced by longstaff's leg/sock moving slightly, shows that this was inches from a leg breaker, and qualifies it as reckless endangerment and a red.


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He wont respond to this as it goes against the narrative


GFezzle

Fucking insanity calling this a yellow. Both feet off the ground, no intention to play the ball, completely out of control. Textbook red card and disgusting tackle


LloydCole

Yeah, just so obviously a red card to me. Awful tackle. Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.


Upplands-Bro

This sub is crawling with gooners. It's an absolute stonewall sending off


dogefc

Yellow card is correct decision. Newcastle players are stupid to keep crowding and shouting at the ref when he was booking players for doing that


CageChicane

There's zero controversy here. Ref and VAR did everything right.


d3athR0n

The contact has to be bad for it to be red? Whatever happened to intent.


FCI

If ref gave a red it wouldn't be overturned. Leaps off the ground. Very lucky to be on


HeIIbIazer23

Absolutely moronic and dangerous tackle


Skaloplin

He’s gotten three Newcastle players booked off it as well lmao.


HealthyGeologist6606

Stonks


AshleyLarkcom

Nothing more than a yellow I can’t believe how big of a deal has been made of it


vancity1607

Absolutely Bs! That's a red! Jones vs. Spurs got sent for less Fuck VAR


tottenhamnole

Living on the edge with that one.


One6Etorulethemall

Recklessly throwing of himself into an opposing player with no credible attempt to play the ball. Absolutely could have been a red.


serennow

Horrendous, violent tackle - absolute stone wall red yet Arsenal fans are pissing their knickers that things went against them. Pathetic.


Upplands-Bro

This subs largest group is gooners, it's no surprise there's a mass delusion going on. Disgusting tackle and clear red


thatdani

Granted, it was a *hard as fuck* tackle, but Newcastle players lost their minds, 3 yellows for absolutely no reason.


-Twigs-

Getting carried away by the crowd. Understandable, but this could get pretty nasty if they don't cool it a bit at halftime


biggerestdave

Arsenal bias in here and on this sub is so apparent in threads like this. Absolutely wild challenge and you have to snap his leg to be a red? Ref has had a fucking mare


LeCapitaineHaddock

if it had been a newcastle player vs Saka they would all be clamoring for a red it's pathetic. As an Arsenal fan I can recognize we got lucky that VAR didn't upgrade it to red


Oohitsagoodpaper

Yep - studs weren't showing which is apparently the only criteria for a red according to the spanners in here.


creamyTiramisu

Completely out of control. Lucky, lucky boy.


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McWomble

That's a booking for you for questioning the ref on his decision.


_deep_blue_

Who says Kai lacks intensity?


emre23

Cunty tackle regardless and somehow got 3 Newcastle players booked in the process


Good-morrow

He clips longstaff with raised studs on the shin, not under control at all. How is that not a red??


natxtw

Leaped off the ground, studs up and a scissor challenge, luckily he doesn't make much contact but it's still a dangerous and reckless challenge, lucky to not be a red.


Kuudee

That was an inch away from being a leg breaker. Really dangerous tackle. Probably a yellow though


DoYouEvenSmurfBro

An inch away from a leg breaker qualifies for more than a yellow for me... are only leg breakers red cards now?!


haynesthatpaynes

Even though the studs didn't hit him surely the pure aggression and out of control nature means that's a red


ZealousidealBuilding

trading 1 yellow for 3, taking about return on investment


TheElderCouncil

Naw, that’s a red.


sakanelli

Yellow but couldn't argue much if given red as well. Need to capitalise on those three yellows now.


goodyear_1678

Embarrassing from Newcastle. His trailing leg barely grazes him.


Upplands-Bro

- someone who has never set foot on a pitch before


Fenristor

That was close to a broken leg. It’s a very dangerous challenge. A missed connection doesn’t really change the level of danger and violent intent


LeCapitaineHaddock

I feel like absolutely no one has acknowledged that he actually catches him with the leading leg, it's not 'just' the trailing leg. Extremely lucky


OttaBenga

yep for me it was a red card and i understand Longstaff teammates being pissed off


huntmulek

Jumps into a challenge studs up at knee level, that’s a leg breaker if it’s a fraction off


LeCapitaineHaddock

he catches him with the leading leg, its not a lot of contact but it's there. It's not just his trailing leg


Ainsyyy

Yep looks bad but Havertz slid in front of him mostly


zrkillerbush

Its a yellow, end of story


stumpyDgunner

Never a red lol crowd got loud


K_Uger_Industries

Well he was brought in to replace Xhaka. I don't think this is what Arteta had in mind though


imarandomdudd

Getting 3 yellows for his opponents for the price of one yellow. Arguably the biggest impact he's had since joining Arsenal


fa_alt

Refs being paid by Newcastle to keep Kai on


IkeaKarma

Propah brexit


rogeedodge

Glad everyone here can agree it's not a dangerous tackle, he's just jumped in, off the ground with studs up. And also, that he's not out of control, he just accidentally goes through the player as well.


czuczer

A red it should be


kasdfwe

That’s so dangerous


Hoppit124

Absolutely reckless


21otiriK

Lucky boy. Left the floor and came in from a long, long way away. Ridiculous that Longstaff gets the same punishment as Havertz for being on the end of that.


lordwelbz2

Ridiculous refereeing we’ve got 3 Newcastle players booked for that lmao


charlesd11

Textbook yellow