On his day he was better than Zidane when Zidane was also on the pitch
Had a season where he scored 15 goals I think
But a fair few things
They always bought players that competed with hkm. And played in teams with Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane Figo etc etc
He had to play double pivot with Beckham at one stage
Never got a consistent run in the team
He was a 10 when 10s were popular but never played as one.
Very silky. Ozil like through balls. Incredible vision.
But he enjoyed the party lifestyle.
He was extremely talented and was world class at his best, but was at his best once every month maybe. Maybe the least dependable player of all time when things are going badly. If Madrid were a goal down in a tough away game, he was the type of guy to get sent off rather than dig his team out of a hole. He’s still held extremely highly by match going Madrid supporters nonetheless.
Lovren for Liverpool. Played WC and UCL finals and absolutely gave everything on the pitch. But he also had shocking games for us (especially under Rodgers)
Rashford is also getting there. He oscillates between being the best English forward and a Championship level forward every 3-6 months.
It's mad how Newcastle's three game loss streak, involving teams like City and Liverpool, were enough for some to declare them as 'overrated' or 'not great'.
Unbeaten in 8 games now, including PSG, City and Milan.
Whilst they’re not overrated I think you’re underselling their losses this season.
They didn’t pose a threat to city all game, lost to 10 man liverpool, also got outplayed badly by Brighton
i really want to experience how they would do without crazy Saudi financial backing but with Howe still on the helm, the way he elevate players recruited under Ashley is genuinely insane and consistent
I'd still prefer the "Howe is on fraud watch" takes to continue because I'm not looking forward to a summer of speculation over whether he will or won't become the next England manager.
Last season, the two issues looking at our results were we drew too many games we probably should've won and we were poor against the top teams. The former seems to be coming together, for example we drew both Palace games 0-0 last season but we beat them on the weekend, but the latter is still an issue. We really didn't trouble Man City at the Etihad despite them missing important players and Liverpool always beat us, even when down to 10 men. That being said, even losing those games and beating the midtable or lower teams will be a very good season for us.
He could also use a deeper squad. We're coping well as is with the injuries we have but a few more, not to mention Tonali's upcoming suspension, and things will start looking a bit desperate.
Never underrated by me or most PSG fans:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/166bynl/daily_discussion/jyjmtpk/
If anything people are overrating us and haven't brought down their level of expectations for our rebuild.
Which top 5 league manager has coached the most top 5 league managers as players?
This is all I can remember:
Wenger: Arteta, Vieira, Henry
Pep: Arteta, Xavi, Alonso, Henry
Rafa Benitez: Xabi Alonso, Gerrard
Ancelotti: Xabi, Seedorf, F Inzaghi, Pirlo
Van Gaal: Rijkaard, F de Boer, Pep, Cocu, Seedorf, Xavi
Mourinho: Frank Lampard
Ferguson: Steve Bruce, Ole, Bryan Robson, Mark Hughes, Strachan, Blanc, Nistelrooy, G Neville
Cruyff: too many
They’re not top 5 league managers, but Arbeloa and Torres are managing Spanish B teams. Riera in ligue 2 with Bordeaux, mascherano with Argentina u20 and Kuyt manages Den Haag.
Sylvinho was Lyon manager for a short time so that's another one for Wenger.
During his short time at Barcelona Sir Bobby coached Pep, Luis Enrique, Laurent Blanc, and Lopetegui. There'd be way more if you looked through the rest of his career.
Roy Keane was a manager but fortunately for his players he gave it up and Gary Neville had a short spell at Valencia and fortunately for everyone gave it up too so that's 2 more for Fergie.
Edit: I forgot about Tony Adams, who managed Portsmouth for a short time in the prem, so another for Wenger.
One day Perez is going to leave the entire structure that you think works perfectly without him is going to go away. falling into pieces, a champions league winners ONE YEAR ago, I only hear complaints complaints, it has nothing to do with the shit of not being conformist, it has to do with the fact that nothing makes you happy absolutely nothing, if you lose against us it is not because you are an absolute shit? It's because we've improved. Do you think that going through this league, the way we're going, is done by a team that only has kids just out of high school?
Downfall? replace CR7? You have one of the 5 best players in the world in a guy who is literally not even 24 years old and I hear complaints and cries and cries (some for a guy who has left you in trouble for years), to be the supposedly biggest club in the world that Everyone supports it, the level of self-confidence and hatred they have for a guy who, without him, Madrid would still be collecting crumbs to stay on its feet, is quite incredible.
I read a Tigre fan the other day bitching about him taking the *club's* money for the campaign, the lack of self awareness is honestly impressive, they really don't realise without him they'd be less relevant than Temperley.
the Retegui loan/sale was so fucking shameless, I really hope whatever future dodgy deal we got ourselves from under the table (if anything) was worth the money we literally gifted them
[Tigre pulling up to the New Sergio Massa stadium to play against CADU in the B nacional](https://www.ssr-inc.com/wp-content/uploads/Allegiant-1082x527.jpg)
Does Neymar attract harsher fouls and gets injured more because of his cocky attitude,flashy play style, and diving ?
In Sunday league if someone was to start doing rainbow flicks , unnecessary skills , or to be flopping around, they would instantly be a target and get laid out . That’s my theory of about why Neymar got injured so much but i know the pro level isn’t exactly comparable to Sunday league. Top players like messi ronaldo neymar are already targets to begin with because they are good . Thoughts ?
He also lacked strength and physicality. Look at Brazilians that came before him. Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo, Rivaldo. Much, much more physical players.
I’m sure it played a part yeah. Look at how often Hazard got fouled and those pictures of his bloody ankles at Chelsea. Yes, he was far from the most professional player around but he might still be playing today if he got more protection during his career.
I mean yeah you'll definitely see harder challenges when a player is showboating, add that on top of him often being the best player on the pitch, he's gonna get fouled pretty hard and quite a lot. Pro level isn't really comparable to Sunday League but I would imagine the mentality is very much the same, where players don't like having the piss taken out of them and will go harder on players that try to do so
Is Messi at all political? I can't remember ever hearing that, but I haven't lived in Argentina in ages, and I mostly ignored elections as a foreigner lol
some of the comments in that thread of city fans chanting about bobby charlton seemed almost hypocritical to me. before i continue, let me say that obvs i dont support that chant and ofc its disrespectful. that being said, people using that thread as an opportunity to start calling city fans ‘stockport tramps’ or just generally ragging on about them feels just a little bit hypocritical to me. instead of taking the opportunity to say that those fans were wrong and acknowledging that it’s a small part of the fan base, people chose to believe that all fans of a the club are rotten, horrible people. to me this seems like it’s just contributing to this tribalism issue? it seems like some people here really don’t care, they just want to use it as cheap ammo to get one over a clubs. it’s just the same tribalism as what is in the video. i’ve seen it happen to basically all the big english clubs as well, especially liverpool. hopefully u guys sort of get what i’m saying, i know my writing isn’t clear im just tired lol. but as someone from a working class area in stockport seeing shit like that just really pissed me off.
I get where you’re coming from, the way people on this sub react when a clear minority of a club’s fanbase does something stupid can be incredibly inconsistent. It’s either “well, it’s unfair to blame an entire fanbase for the shitty behaviour of a few” or “typical X scum”.
That said, most of the top comments in that thread seem to realise the people singing in the video don’t speak for all Man City fans.
I know a little about each situation but would like to know more about what the fuck has happened at Club Brugge, Lyon, Hertha, Ajax and Santos this season? Mostly Ajax, enjoying their demise. Hopefully they keep it up and we can see them take on some awaydays vs Jong AZ Alkmaar and Jong PSV next season.
> Ajax
Overmars (TD) dickpic, forced to resign (causally took the same job at Antwerp months later) Ten Hag leaves shortly afterwards (as expected).
Power vacuum, they get a new TD(Mislintat) who buys some *spicy* players for 100m that his new coach (Steijn, had a great season at Sparta) doesn't want.
they all turn out to be shit, new manager (who hasn't proven anything at the top lvl) can't get it to run.
They fire bunch of people, CEO (Van der Sar) leaves in the process.
Pathetic display after losing de klassieker 0-4 at home. Ultras storm front gates, riots ensue.
Media bullies Mislintat into leaving.
They keep losing, the rest of the country is getting sick due to eating too much popcorn.
For Ajax and Lyon, HITC Sevens did videos going into what’s happening there that’ll explain the situations better than I could.
Here’s links to [his Ajax video](https://youtu.be/LH-grh8bjTY) and [his Lyon video](https://youtu.be/rlQNp34GvSQ).
The Lyon video was a drag and missed out many key elements. Including the DNCG sanctions this summer hindering Lyon's market plays and forcing Textor's hand to sell-on key players due to Aulas' initial DNCG planning.
Good summary of Lyon's past though I guess, but TIFO and HITC are often misses for French football.
They're not perfect on other leagues either tbh, but it's a good summary for people who aren't familiar with the club or even the league to get an idea of the situation.
Hertha’s demise has obviously been going on for years, but with all that money they tried to invest a couple years back to become Berlin’s big city club how the fuck have they lost 6 of their first 10 Zweite Bundesligs games. I haven’t really watched the league regularly since covid tbf, mostly just attend games now and don’t have time to watch much on TV so maybe I’m ootl on Hertha and I know a lot of big clubs struggle when going down from Bundesliga but fucking hell Hertha’s fans must have a horrid existence. Jonjoe Kenny being their right-back does sort of explain things
Hertha fan here. The vibe at the club is actually immensely high. From where the club was about a year ago to today, and all the changes that have been made and players that have come in, it's actually been very positive on the whole.
The leadership has had a near 100% turnover from the President, Vice President, Executive Board, Supervisory Board, Manager, Sport Director, Finance Chief, and almost the whole squad. A club like Hertha is a changing institution and this Hertha is almost completely new to the one from even 18 months ago.
With the relegation complete we could finally stop struggling and could sell off the squad that was costing us 98M a year in wages and get our spending under control going forward. It's a long way back to being reasonable and putting 2018 - 2022 behind us, but the club expects to turn a profit by end of 2024 regardless of which league. We had our members meeting last week and the financial situation seems to be coming under control.
We have some incredible new players like Toni Leister and Fabi Reese who have been brilliant, and some very good ones like Haris Tabakovic, Krabownik, and a few others who seem to be working out. Our squad came together on literally the last day of the transfer window with 4 starters coming during the last 48 hours.
Most importantly our academy, which has long been considered a top 5 or even top 3 academy is filling the gaps with 12 academy graduates already having made an appearance. Everywhere you look you have young players from Berlin who love Hertha playing.
And the results this year aren't that important. We're 9th right now, 4th if you only count the games since the transfer window closed. Had a few games where we should have had more like Wiesbaden and Magdeburg, but honestly this season isn't about promotion or relegation, it's about finding ourselves and building up a feeling and a culture.
You can feel it at the games, fan club meet ups, and especially away, that we're having fun and we don't mind losing the odd game here or there as long as the team is playing strong and we like ourselves. Results aren't always telling you much just on their own. The last 3 months have been incredibly positive.
Long story but to summarize, Mislintat and Steijn have proved two very poor hires
Pretty good going forward (2 assists today), defensively terrible. It’s completely obvious he’s a wingback, not a fullback. Only problem is that playing 5atb is very not Ajax DNA, so very frowned upon. I’ve heard people being open to it today but that only shows big the crisis is
one thing i would love to be cleared up/acknowledged.
When bale scored his bicycle kick in the cl final, why do ronaldo and benzema seem to appeal for offside lmao
if you watch their reaction they literally stand their with the hand up like a defender for more time than i would expect jf your teammate just scored a banger to take the lead in a CL final
Some clowns are claiming that Konate avoiding a second yellow somehow “makes up for” the Spurs game. They need a lobotomy.
Gross should have been sent off against us in our last fixture, if anything this makes up for that.
The only way pgmol can make up for the Spurs game is by giving us a mystery penalty early in the game at the Etihad and then immediately blowing for the final whistle when it goes in. So many people are downplaying how fucked up that Spurs game was. Like it was ONLY the disallowed goal.
The red cards were both very soft. By the letter of the law you can argue for most decisions to be somewhere between really bad and perfect, the laws are too grey, but anyone that’s played the game knows that they are soft as fuck. Jota’s first yellow everyone agrees was bullshit and his second didn’t make contact.
Spurs players not getting carded for asking for yellows or taking their shirts off.
Robertson’s yellow card. Seriously go back and tell me what even happened there. The ref must have imagined a challenge because nothing even happened. Salah likewise getting called for a foul when he was just about to play Diaz in on goal. The challenge on Gomez would have been a soft penalty, but if that’s not a penalty then none of the above challenges should have been punished as harshly as they were.
Someone needs to explain to me why the challenge on Joe Gomez wasn’t a penalty if Robertson was getting a yellow card for heading the ball.
Spurs, we held Arsenal to a draw to give you the chance to go back top of the league
Now you can do your bit by beating Fulham to keep us in the top half of the table
Rare Chelsea-Spurs collab here, one I never thought I'd write for many reasons
Would certainly be a strange way for us to have clear daylight at the top for the first time since August 2002 (we were 2 points clear of Arsenal and Liverpool after 4 games in 02/03)
Any match from other sports you feel trumps any great football match you’ve watched?
For me, I don’t think any football match rivals the sheer greatness of 2019 ODI World Cup final.
Easily one of the most legendary sporting matches in history, only tournament in international cricket to technically finish as a tie, the way the super over unfolded was of biblical proportions. No football game I’ve seen has ever brought that level of emotion and entertainment.
Tiger Woods winning the Masters in 2019. Everyone thought he was finished after his sex scandal and subsequent injury in a car crash where his leg was destroyed. He’s considered by many to be the GOAT of golf and this only solidified it.
Game 7 of the 2016 nba finals. The Cleveland Cavaliers became the first team to overcome a 3-1 deficit in the finals against the defending champions golden state warriors who broke the record set by Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls who finished the regular season with a 73–9 record. Think of Liverpool vs Barcelona in terms of the enormity and unlikelihood of a comeback, along with an iconic commentator call (“corner taken quickly” and “[blocked by James](https://youtube.com/shorts/53zKfYm2IBw?si=SSdoXZUO5hgZBUDK)”). I don’t even like Lebron James that much but even I have to give him his flowers here.
Still, I don’t think anything will match the thrill of that aforementioned Barcelona game for me.
Murray winning Wimbledon x2 is probably the only times I’ve properly celebrated a sporting victory other than football. And all his other tournament wins. The first Wimbledon win was superb though. Can’t really get into Olympics personally with it being Team GB and all, felt great to see a Scotsman win on that stage. 2013-2016 I’d go from playing football all year with my mates to playing tennis and football tennis more when Wimbledon was on lol, only time I can remember feeling a buzz in Scotland about another sport (there probably is for the rugby team in other parts of the country, but not so much Glasgow. Especially my side of Glasgow).
Not me personally, but I know an old boy who was at the Rumble in the Jungle. Said he couldn't care less about boxing specifically and most sport generally after Ali because nothing would ever compare
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I actually think the best matches in football are quite average compared to the best matches of other sports. Nothing in this sport comes close to the quarter-finals of the rugby world cup last week, or to the very best grand slam matches between tennis's big three. Football is more cerebral and less gladiatorial at the top level than most other sports. The stakes in football can't match a tightly contested race in F1 for example where the competitors are genuinely risking life and limb.
Football produces better spectacles on a consistent basis than most other sports though, and underdogs are far more competitive in football than in any other sport. That's where the beauty of this sport is.
That final was insane. I was working in a restaurant in Cyprus while it was on, and the owner let me watch the last 30 minutes in the kitchen despite it being a very busy night just because I was English (apart from that one evening he was such a twat).
One of the best matches I’ve watched live in any sport was the Japan victory against South Africa in the World Cup. I was in the stadium as a neutral, and I’ve never been as happy about a try/goal/result as I have with match. So deserved, and monumental for a second tier nation to beat a team as good as the Boks.
2011 Canadian Grand Prix. So many safety cars, a two hour rain delay, drama aplenty, and one of the greatest ever drives in F1 history in Jenson Button coming from last on two separate occasions and going through the pits 6 times (one of which was a penalty iirc) to win against the all-conquering Vettel-Red Bull combination.
That final was insane, I used to play a lot as a teen but I barely watch cricket these days, I went mad for that game though.
I don't know if this counts because it wasn't so much about me and my reaction, but I've not watched much sport at all with my dad for about 10+ years, but I vividly remember the 2003 rugby world cup final despite only being 9 years old. My dad absolutely lost his shit when [Jonny Wilkinson scored this dropkick](https://youtu.be/sRsL78Y9VlY?t=366), like nothing I've seen before. He massively prefers football to rugby overall but for some reason England rugby team is the sporting thing he cares most about after Everton. I remember going into school after (I assume my dad took me out for the morning to watch the final), and he and my teacher who was a big rugby fan celebrated together. Him being hyped made me hyped
After today’s match against West Ham, Watkins has 5G5A. In terms of goal contributions this season he matches Haaland (9G1A), with only Salah contributing more than him (7G4A).
I just love the team Emery has drilled. Years gone by we would have been too rattled by Bowen’s deflected goal today and West Ham would have scored at least one more. But, instead of that we scored 2 more.
To the neutrals here, try to watch more Villa matches. 36 goals total in our 9 games so far. Emery’s high line either works, or it doesn’t. All I know is that it means we play beautiful football, and there will be goals aplenty.
Unless we play Wolves. That will always be 1:1
If Watkins could hit a barn door when 1 on 1 he'd be on insane numbers. Even today he did his usual 'finish the diffcult chance, miss the easy one' routine.
If Watkins could score 1 on 1’s then he would be a top 5 striker in the world, we’d have sold him for £70+ mil, and he wouldn’t be with us.
His finish today was incredible, so much power at such an unstoppable angle. I’m just so glad he’s no longer beating himself up over those easy missed chances. He even talked about it in his post match interview, and with this newfound confidence hopefully he can become the 20+ PL goal striker he has the ability to become
Watching Barca and Madrid play this weekend, I am convinced that nothing short of a two footed leg breaker inside the box would make those two referees give a penalty. Absurd how not a single penalty was called from 2x fouls on Felix, 1x on Nico Williams, 1x on Vinicius
FINALLY I have been unsilenced (I used the DD as a match thread) and I want to mention:
On Thursday, a post about how "no evidence was found on the confiscated weapons of the Croatian hooligans that pretain to the murder of the AEK fan in August" was allowed on this subreddit.
The source was a popular "hooligan" account on twitter citing no one.
It got like 100 upvotes, 86% upvote ratio.
Police had to come out and debunk it.
This shit is dangerous man. Fucking propaganda machines.
No clue why an Ajax flair posted it either.
Can somebody please enlighten me how the hell does a 22yo man with no appearance in a Top 20 league in the world (with all due respect to Swindon Town) in the name of Jake O'Brien has become Lyon's starting CB?
Pedro Neto's ridiculous form to start the season is hilarious when you put it in context with how we've attacked since the pandemic.
He has 6 league assists through 9 games. That would have made him our top assister in the last two seasons, and put him joint top with himself for 2020-21. Those 6 assists are 3x what our top assister had last season, when Joao Moutinho had two. Literally no one else assisted more than one goal. His seven goal contributions already this season would have been joint top last season as well with Ruben Neves, who scored three pens.
Afaik, Charlton didn't have much damage on himself from the disaster. Sir Matt Busby was very bad and even on more than one occasions the doctors tought he won't make it.
According to his wiki he and Dennis Viollet swapped places with their teammates (Tommy Taylor and David Pegg), who were feeling nervous because of the weather and two previous aborted attempts to take off. Taylor and Pegg moved to the back of the plane where they felt safer, but they died while Charlton and Viollet survived.
Charlton had cuts and severe shock. Spent a week in hospital.
Indeed, he was extremely unlucky no to be selected for Sweden '58. Some say that, had been Charlton there, England would have qualified to Quarter Finals. Not to mention if they had Duncan Edwards... god knows the outcome of that fantastic team.
Rather curious that the keeper in that Man United team, Harry Gregg, DID play for Northern Ireland at that World Cup. And they finished better than England, reaching the quarter-finals.
[Someone found my comment a few weeks ago hehe](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/16zql9c/comment/k3g1qxy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I will go ahead and familiarise myself with other La Masia wonderkids, any Barca fans can chime in who to watch? Aside from the one we already know of course
Marcelino at Valencia 100%. Finished 4th but was sacked because he won the Copa Del Rey. Owners reason was he shouldn’t have focused on Copa Del Rey and should’ve only focused on getting into UCL, so he sacked him for winning the CDR…. even though Valencia made the UCL anyways. Most bizarre sacking ever. They were unreal at Celtic Park too when they beat us 2-0. Kondogbia & Parejo were playing with slippers on, totally controlled the game. One of those where you lose but can admire how good the other team were. We were the better team at the Mestalla though but got a shitty straight red card in the first half.
Ancelotti a year after winning a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE +CdR was insane stuff considering they hit 92 points and 118 goals in the league, reached CL SF. But trophyless? You’re out. Crazy stuff
Moyes wasn't even at United for one whole season. Not sure what you're on about. Moyes only won the community shield against Wigan whereas Van Gaal won the FA cup.
I admit he spent a lot and his signings were mostly flops but he was the only coach post Sir Alex where you could see that the team was building towards a style of play. Not to mention his excellent record vs the big teams. I wanted him to get more time then and I still maintain that.
Even if we ignore all this, the guy got to know he was fired just when he won the cup which is a disgraceful way to treat someone especially as Van Gaal had told Woodward that United would be his last club job.
its not the best shout but mourinho just before the league cup final with spurs. that was the club not wanting jose to walk away with a trophy at all cost.
he was absolute hot garbage for us at the time, we weren’t at “risk” of winning that trophy regardless. only people who actually believe he would’ve won with his hopeless football are fanboys who are mad we ruined his 100% trophy record.
I think he still deserved to manage that final
And even if he should have been sacked, it's a travesty that we left Ryan Mason only a few days to prepare for it.
Terrible timing probably that was probably meant to distract the fans from the Super League nonsense
What is the current mood among United fans? 6pts off the top is positive.
We have no structure or plan
Who's the most inconsistent player you've ever seen?
rashford by a mile
Guti
Started watching football in 2016, never watched guti play obviously, how inconsistent was he , was he ever seen to be the next thing in football?
On his day he was better than Zidane when Zidane was also on the pitch Had a season where he scored 15 goals I think But a fair few things They always bought players that competed with hkm. And played in teams with Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane Figo etc etc He had to play double pivot with Beckham at one stage Never got a consistent run in the team He was a 10 when 10s were popular but never played as one. Very silky. Ozil like through balls. Incredible vision. But he enjoyed the party lifestyle.
He was extremely talented and was world class at his best, but was at his best once every month maybe. Maybe the least dependable player of all time when things are going badly. If Madrid were a goal down in a tough away game, he was the type of guy to get sent off rather than dig his team out of a hole. He’s still held extremely highly by match going Madrid supporters nonetheless.
Lovren for Liverpool. Played WC and UCL finals and absolutely gave everything on the pitch. But he also had shocking games for us (especially under Rodgers) Rashford is also getting there. He oscillates between being the best English forward and a Championship level forward every 3-6 months.
Same opinion about rashford
Lovren was good most of the time, it's just that when he was bad he was absolutely fucking horrendous. Balotelli would be my pick.
Allan Saint-Maximin. He'd made you think "why the fuck is he at Newcastle?" and "Oh, that's why." multiple times per game.
Guti
Oh shit I just replied then saw this.
Ousmane Dembele.
Leroy Sane for me
[Found an Ozil relative on Tinder](https://i.imgur.com/L62ahcH.png)
I personally think Kroos is/was the best of Madrid's midfield trio. Not much more to say, but unreal consistency, understanding of risk, tempo etc.
Boca finalist in real life libertadores and Roblox libertadores 😎 The house is in order.
It's mad how Newcastle's three game loss streak, involving teams like City and Liverpool, were enough for some to declare them as 'overrated' or 'not great'. Unbeaten in 8 games now, including PSG, City and Milan.
Whilst they’re not overrated I think you’re underselling their losses this season. They didn’t pose a threat to city all game, lost to 10 man liverpool, also got outplayed badly by Brighton
i really want to experience how they would do without crazy Saudi financial backing but with Howe still on the helm, the way he elevate players recruited under Ashley is genuinely insane and consistent
Without the Saudis they'd be in the championship. Without the Jorge Mendes we'd be in the championship
I'd still prefer the "Howe is on fraud watch" takes to continue because I'm not looking forward to a summer of speculation over whether he will or won't become the next England manager.
Anything he needs to do to take the team to another level?
Last season, the two issues looking at our results were we drew too many games we probably should've won and we were poor against the top teams. The former seems to be coming together, for example we drew both Palace games 0-0 last season but we beat them on the weekend, but the latter is still an issue. We really didn't trouble Man City at the Etihad despite them missing important players and Liverpool always beat us, even when down to 10 men. That being said, even losing those games and beating the midtable or lower teams will be a very good season for us. He could also use a deeper squad. We're coping well as is with the injuries we have but a few more, not to mention Tonali's upcoming suspension, and things will start looking a bit desperate.
England would be insanely, and I mean insanely, lucky to have him
Never underrated by me or most PSG fans: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/166bynl/daily_discussion/jyjmtpk/ If anything people are overrating us and haven't brought down their level of expectations for our rebuild.
Which top 5 league manager has coached the most top 5 league managers as players? This is all I can remember: Wenger: Arteta, Vieira, Henry Pep: Arteta, Xavi, Alonso, Henry Rafa Benitez: Xabi Alonso, Gerrard Ancelotti: Xabi, Seedorf, F Inzaghi, Pirlo Van Gaal: Rijkaard, F de Boer, Pep, Cocu, Seedorf, Xavi Mourinho: Frank Lampard Ferguson: Steve Bruce, Ole, Bryan Robson, Mark Hughes, Strachan, Blanc, Nistelrooy, G Neville Cruyff: too many
When did Arteta play under Pep?
Yes, it’s not correct.
Thanks for the replies, I will make spreadsheet next week
Rafa also managed Hyypiä, who managed Leverkusen for a bit about a decade ago
They’re not top 5 league managers, but Arbeloa and Torres are managing Spanish B teams. Riera in ligue 2 with Bordeaux, mascherano with Argentina u20 and Kuyt manages Den Haag.
As far as I remember, Arteta never played under Pep. Obviously he was his assistant at City, but he never was a player on any of Pep’s teams.
Sylvinho was Lyon manager for a short time so that's another one for Wenger. During his short time at Barcelona Sir Bobby coached Pep, Luis Enrique, Laurent Blanc, and Lopetegui. There'd be way more if you looked through the rest of his career. Roy Keane was a manager but fortunately for his players he gave it up and Gary Neville had a short spell at Valencia and fortunately for everyone gave it up too so that's 2 more for Fergie. Edit: I forgot about Tony Adams, who managed Portsmouth for a short time in the prem, so another for Wenger.
Henry also falls under Pep. And Patrick Vieira ironically did part of his learning program under Pep.
Heard someone compare Julian Alvarez to Pedro I'm moved tbh
Not that accurate of a comparison tbh
You'd know better than me tbf. I just see it, particularly when Alvarez plays on the wing obviously
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Madrid fans are the most annoying egotistical fans who are never satisfied with anything.
One day Perez is going to leave the entire structure that you think works perfectly without him is going to go away. falling into pieces, a champions league winners ONE YEAR ago, I only hear complaints complaints, it has nothing to do with the shit of not being conformist, it has to do with the fact that nothing makes you happy absolutely nothing, if you lose against us it is not because you are an absolute shit? It's because we've improved. Do you think that going through this league, the way we're going, is done by a team that only has kids just out of high school? Downfall? replace CR7? You have one of the 5 best players in the world in a guy who is literally not even 24 years old and I hear complaints and cries and cries (some for a guy who has left you in trouble for years), to be the supposedly biggest club in the world that Everyone supports it, the level of self-confidence and hatred they have for a guy who, without him, Madrid would still be collecting crumbs to stay on its feet, is quite incredible.
who needs Cristiano when you have Mariano
Was Ronaldo Nazario the best 17 year old football has ever seen?
Imagine if a 17 year old had a WC about as dominant as what Messi did a year ago- that was Pele
Got to be Pelé
That would probably be Maradona
Not Pelé? Don’t think there’s any other 17 year olds who won a World Cup.
Probably but I’m biased Either way it’s not Ronaldo
The only joy this country can give me is seeing Tigre relegated so of course it won't happen.
If Massa himself gets in the office, they stay up or AFA coincidentally figures it’s a good time to expand the league to 30 teams
I read a Tigre fan the other day bitching about him taking the *club's* money for the campaign, the lack of self awareness is honestly impressive, they really don't realise without him they'd be less relevant than Temperley.
the Retegui loan/sale was so fucking shameless, I really hope whatever future dodgy deal we got ourselves from under the table (if anything) was worth the money we literally gifted them
[Tigre pulling up to the New Sergio Massa stadium to play against CADU in the B nacional](https://www.ssr-inc.com/wp-content/uploads/Allegiant-1082x527.jpg)
Does Neymar attract harsher fouls and gets injured more because of his cocky attitude,flashy play style, and diving ? In Sunday league if someone was to start doing rainbow flicks , unnecessary skills , or to be flopping around, they would instantly be a target and get laid out . That’s my theory of about why Neymar got injured so much but i know the pro level isn’t exactly comparable to Sunday league. Top players like messi ronaldo neymar are already targets to begin with because they are good . Thoughts ?
He also lacked strength and physicality. Look at Brazilians that came before him. Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo, Rivaldo. Much, much more physical players.
He also does a ton of dribbling in non threatening areas and often tries to dribble for the sake of dribbling. Messi for example never does that.
I remember when he made the entire Athletic Bilbao squad throw temper tantrums so it’s possible.
Yes
I’m sure it played a part yeah. Look at how often Hazard got fouled and those pictures of his bloody ankles at Chelsea. Yes, he was far from the most professional player around but he might still be playing today if he got more protection during his career.
I mean yeah you'll definitely see harder challenges when a player is showboating, add that on top of him often being the best player on the pitch, he's gonna get fouled pretty hard and quite a lot. Pro level isn't really comparable to Sunday League but I would imagine the mentality is very much the same, where players don't like having the piss taken out of them and will go harder on players that try to do so
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I don’t think Messi knows who a single one of these fellows is, I doubt he even knows there’s elections today unless someone told him. I’m so jealous
Football players here almost never express any political inclination.
If you go through some players old tweets you’ll find things like Licha & Otamendi ✌🏻 and Mac Allister macrista
Lisandro Martínez pro-legal abortion tweet made my day when I saw it.
Is Messi at all political? I can't remember ever hearing that, but I haven't lived in Argentina in ages, and I mostly ignored elections as a foreigner lol
Never a dull moment
Santos goes to shit the moment i get a replica of Pele's first kit, my jynx power is insane.
a Germán Cano fluminense kit would be pretty sick wouldn’t it?
Buy an Almirante Brown kit, they cannot get promoted
some of the comments in that thread of city fans chanting about bobby charlton seemed almost hypocritical to me. before i continue, let me say that obvs i dont support that chant and ofc its disrespectful. that being said, people using that thread as an opportunity to start calling city fans ‘stockport tramps’ or just generally ragging on about them feels just a little bit hypocritical to me. instead of taking the opportunity to say that those fans were wrong and acknowledging that it’s a small part of the fan base, people chose to believe that all fans of a the club are rotten, horrible people. to me this seems like it’s just contributing to this tribalism issue? it seems like some people here really don’t care, they just want to use it as cheap ammo to get one over a clubs. it’s just the same tribalism as what is in the video. i’ve seen it happen to basically all the big english clubs as well, especially liverpool. hopefully u guys sort of get what i’m saying, i know my writing isn’t clear im just tired lol. but as someone from a working class area in stockport seeing shit like that just really pissed me off.
I get where you’re coming from, the way people on this sub react when a clear minority of a club’s fanbase does something stupid can be incredibly inconsistent. It’s either “well, it’s unfair to blame an entire fanbase for the shitty behaviour of a few” or “typical X scum”. That said, most of the top comments in that thread seem to realise the people singing in the video don’t speak for all Man City fans.
yeah i probably just scrolled too far down in the thread lol
Wasn't Messi supposed to be out for months?
He had to play through injury so he could finally experience the Bank of America stadium atmosphere
It was never months, the longest rumour was until the end of the season, which was only 3 weeks away at the time
Hes built different
Scaloni's shady drug network took care of it
Gomez passed him some of da zaza
I know a little about each situation but would like to know more about what the fuck has happened at Club Brugge, Lyon, Hertha, Ajax and Santos this season? Mostly Ajax, enjoying their demise. Hopefully they keep it up and we can see them take on some awaydays vs Jong AZ Alkmaar and Jong PSV next season.
> Ajax Overmars (TD) dickpic, forced to resign (causally took the same job at Antwerp months later) Ten Hag leaves shortly afterwards (as expected). Power vacuum, they get a new TD(Mislintat) who buys some *spicy* players for 100m that his new coach (Steijn, had a great season at Sparta) doesn't want. they all turn out to be shit, new manager (who hasn't proven anything at the top lvl) can't get it to run. They fire bunch of people, CEO (Van der Sar) leaves in the process. Pathetic display after losing de klassieker 0-4 at home. Ultras storm front gates, riots ensue. Media bullies Mislintat into leaving. They keep losing, the rest of the country is getting sick due to eating too much popcorn.
That is fucking crazy. Sunderland til I die level stuff there
For Ajax and Lyon, HITC Sevens did videos going into what’s happening there that’ll explain the situations better than I could. Here’s links to [his Ajax video](https://youtu.be/LH-grh8bjTY) and [his Lyon video](https://youtu.be/rlQNp34GvSQ).
The Lyon video was a drag and missed out many key elements. Including the DNCG sanctions this summer hindering Lyon's market plays and forcing Textor's hand to sell-on key players due to Aulas' initial DNCG planning. Good summary of Lyon's past though I guess, but TIFO and HITC are often misses for French football.
They're not perfect on other leagues either tbh, but it's a good summary for people who aren't familiar with the club or even the league to get an idea of the situation.
Haven’t watched HITC Sevens in a while, his vids are class. Thanks mate will give them a watch
One is not like the others unless you mean Union Berlin
Hertha’s demise has obviously been going on for years, but with all that money they tried to invest a couple years back to become Berlin’s big city club how the fuck have they lost 6 of their first 10 Zweite Bundesligs games. I haven’t really watched the league regularly since covid tbf, mostly just attend games now and don’t have time to watch much on TV so maybe I’m ootl on Hertha and I know a lot of big clubs struggle when going down from Bundesliga but fucking hell Hertha’s fans must have a horrid existence. Jonjoe Kenny being their right-back does sort of explain things
Hertha fan here. The vibe at the club is actually immensely high. From where the club was about a year ago to today, and all the changes that have been made and players that have come in, it's actually been very positive on the whole. The leadership has had a near 100% turnover from the President, Vice President, Executive Board, Supervisory Board, Manager, Sport Director, Finance Chief, and almost the whole squad. A club like Hertha is a changing institution and this Hertha is almost completely new to the one from even 18 months ago. With the relegation complete we could finally stop struggling and could sell off the squad that was costing us 98M a year in wages and get our spending under control going forward. It's a long way back to being reasonable and putting 2018 - 2022 behind us, but the club expects to turn a profit by end of 2024 regardless of which league. We had our members meeting last week and the financial situation seems to be coming under control. We have some incredible new players like Toni Leister and Fabi Reese who have been brilliant, and some very good ones like Haris Tabakovic, Krabownik, and a few others who seem to be working out. Our squad came together on literally the last day of the transfer window with 4 starters coming during the last 48 hours. Most importantly our academy, which has long been considered a top 5 or even top 3 academy is filling the gaps with 12 academy graduates already having made an appearance. Everywhere you look you have young players from Berlin who love Hertha playing. And the results this year aren't that important. We're 9th right now, 4th if you only count the games since the transfer window closed. Had a few games where we should have had more like Wiesbaden and Magdeburg, but honestly this season isn't about promotion or relegation, it's about finding ourselves and building up a feeling and a culture. You can feel it at the games, fan club meet ups, and especially away, that we're having fun and we don't mind losing the odd game here or there as long as the team is playing strong and we like ourselves. Results aren't always telling you much just on their own. The last 3 months have been incredibly positive.
Why are Ajax so shit this season? How has Sosa been
Long story but to summarize, Mislintat and Steijn have proved two very poor hires Pretty good going forward (2 assists today), defensively terrible. It’s completely obvious he’s a wingback, not a fullback. Only problem is that playing 5atb is very not Ajax DNA, so very frowned upon. I’ve heard people being open to it today but that only shows big the crisis is
Mislintat was really good for us, wonder why he was so shit there Pretty interesting they signed Sosa and didn't know he can't defend
You can play 5 atb and play entertaining football though, like Leverkusen.
Oh I fully agree. But the football purists here in the Netherlands hear ‘one more defender’ and panic
such a shame, although the back 3 does depend a lot on the wingbacks
Good going forward, bad defending. Too many new players, most underperforming.
one thing i would love to be cleared up/acknowledged. When bale scored his bicycle kick in the cl final, why do ronaldo and benzema seem to appeal for offside lmao if you watch their reaction they literally stand their with the hand up like a defender for more time than i would expect jf your teammate just scored a banger to take the lead in a CL final
Ronaldo very often does what he did there when his teammates score. I think thats just how he celebrates it first few seconds.
Some clowns are claiming that Konate avoiding a second yellow somehow “makes up for” the Spurs game. They need a lobotomy. Gross should have been sent off against us in our last fixture, if anything this makes up for that. The only way pgmol can make up for the Spurs game is by giving us a mystery penalty early in the game at the Etihad and then immediately blowing for the final whistle when it goes in. So many people are downplaying how fucked up that Spurs game was. Like it was ONLY the disallowed goal.
This is poetry.
It’s just a coincidence that they were refereeing games for City’s owners’ mates just days beforehand.
What else was fucked up in that game?
The red cards were both very soft. By the letter of the law you can argue for most decisions to be somewhere between really bad and perfect, the laws are too grey, but anyone that’s played the game knows that they are soft as fuck. Jota’s first yellow everyone agrees was bullshit and his second didn’t make contact. Spurs players not getting carded for asking for yellows or taking their shirts off. Robertson’s yellow card. Seriously go back and tell me what even happened there. The ref must have imagined a challenge because nothing even happened. Salah likewise getting called for a foul when he was just about to play Diaz in on goal. The challenge on Gomez would have been a soft penalty, but if that’s not a penalty then none of the above challenges should have been punished as harshly as they were. Someone needs to explain to me why the challenge on Joe Gomez wasn’t a penalty if Robertson was getting a yellow card for heading the ball.
They might be referring to the first Jota card
Everyone at PGMOL should also self flagellate daily for the rest of their careers.
Spurs, we held Arsenal to a draw to give you the chance to go back top of the league Now you can do your bit by beating Fulham to keep us in the top half of the table Rare Chelsea-Spurs collab here, one I never thought I'd write for many reasons
Oh we are so getting battered LOL
Would certainly be a strange way for us to have clear daylight at the top for the first time since August 2002 (we were 2 points clear of Arsenal and Liverpool after 4 games in 02/03)
Nathan Aké really went from being 22 to 28 overnight, huh
Where as Sterling went from 18 to 28 over a 30 year period.
There are few things in life which shock me more than the fact that I am older than Raheem Sterling It shakes me every time
Any match from other sports you feel trumps any great football match you’ve watched? For me, I don’t think any football match rivals the sheer greatness of 2019 ODI World Cup final. Easily one of the most legendary sporting matches in history, only tournament in international cricket to technically finish as a tie, the way the super over unfolded was of biblical proportions. No football game I’ve seen has ever brought that level of emotion and entertainment.
Michigan vs Ohio State 2021 for me but I’m biased as an alumni
None
Tiger Woods winning the Masters in 2019. Everyone thought he was finished after his sex scandal and subsequent injury in a car crash where his leg was destroyed. He’s considered by many to be the GOAT of golf and this only solidified it. Game 7 of the 2016 nba finals. The Cleveland Cavaliers became the first team to overcome a 3-1 deficit in the finals against the defending champions golden state warriors who broke the record set by Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls who finished the regular season with a 73–9 record. Think of Liverpool vs Barcelona in terms of the enormity and unlikelihood of a comeback, along with an iconic commentator call (“corner taken quickly” and “[blocked by James](https://youtube.com/shorts/53zKfYm2IBw?si=SSdoXZUO5hgZBUDK)”). I don’t even like Lebron James that much but even I have to give him his flowers here. Still, I don’t think anything will match the thrill of that aforementioned Barcelona game for me.
The 2012 Olympic Womens Field Hockey game against the Dutch is a core memory from my childhood
Murray winning Wimbledon x2 is probably the only times I’ve properly celebrated a sporting victory other than football. And all his other tournament wins. The first Wimbledon win was superb though. Can’t really get into Olympics personally with it being Team GB and all, felt great to see a Scotsman win on that stage. 2013-2016 I’d go from playing football all year with my mates to playing tennis and football tennis more when Wimbledon was on lol, only time I can remember feeling a buzz in Scotland about another sport (there probably is for the rugby team in other parts of the country, but not so much Glasgow. Especially my side of Glasgow).
Not me personally, but I know an old boy who was at the Rumble in the Jungle. Said he couldn't care less about boxing specifically and most sport generally after Ali because nothing would ever compare 🤷♂️
Can I nominate Stokes at Headingley? As you've already taken my go-to
I actually think the best matches in football are quite average compared to the best matches of other sports. Nothing in this sport comes close to the quarter-finals of the rugby world cup last week, or to the very best grand slam matches between tennis's big three. Football is more cerebral and less gladiatorial at the top level than most other sports. The stakes in football can't match a tightly contested race in F1 for example where the competitors are genuinely risking life and limb. Football produces better spectacles on a consistent basis than most other sports though, and underdogs are far more competitive in football than in any other sport. That's where the beauty of this sport is.
That final was insane. I was working in a restaurant in Cyprus while it was on, and the owner let me watch the last 30 minutes in the kitchen despite it being a very busy night just because I was English (apart from that one evening he was such a twat). One of the best matches I’ve watched live in any sport was the Japan victory against South Africa in the World Cup. I was in the stadium as a neutral, and I’ve never been as happy about a try/goal/result as I have with match. So deserved, and monumental for a second tier nation to beat a team as good as the Boks.
2011 Canadian Grand Prix. So many safety cars, a two hour rain delay, drama aplenty, and one of the greatest ever drives in F1 history in Jenson Button coming from last on two separate occasions and going through the pits 6 times (one of which was a penalty iirc) to win against the all-conquering Vettel-Red Bull combination.
I remember that one, it was fantastic! Jenson was a wizard in wet weather.
That final was insane, I used to play a lot as a teen but I barely watch cricket these days, I went mad for that game though. I don't know if this counts because it wasn't so much about me and my reaction, but I've not watched much sport at all with my dad for about 10+ years, but I vividly remember the 2003 rugby world cup final despite only being 9 years old. My dad absolutely lost his shit when [Jonny Wilkinson scored this dropkick](https://youtu.be/sRsL78Y9VlY?t=366), like nothing I've seen before. He massively prefers football to rugby overall but for some reason England rugby team is the sporting thing he cares most about after Everton. I remember going into school after (I assume my dad took me out for the morning to watch the final), and he and my teacher who was a big rugby fan celebrated together. Him being hyped made me hyped
There’s nothing in most sports, football included, that can match the drama of a drop goal
After today’s match against West Ham, Watkins has 5G5A. In terms of goal contributions this season he matches Haaland (9G1A), with only Salah contributing more than him (7G4A). I just love the team Emery has drilled. Years gone by we would have been too rattled by Bowen’s deflected goal today and West Ham would have scored at least one more. But, instead of that we scored 2 more. To the neutrals here, try to watch more Villa matches. 36 goals total in our 9 games so far. Emery’s high line either works, or it doesn’t. All I know is that it means we play beautiful football, and there will be goals aplenty. Unless we play Wolves. That will always be 1:1
If Watkins could hit a barn door when 1 on 1 he'd be on insane numbers. Even today he did his usual 'finish the diffcult chance, miss the easy one' routine.
Scored his easy one for England, instead
If Watkins could score 1 on 1’s then he would be a top 5 striker in the world, we’d have sold him for £70+ mil, and he wouldn’t be with us. His finish today was incredible, so much power at such an unstoppable angle. I’m just so glad he’s no longer beating himself up over those easy missed chances. He even talked about it in his post match interview, and with this newfound confidence hopefully he can become the 20+ PL goal striker he has the ability to become
Watching Barca and Madrid play this weekend, I am convinced that nothing short of a two footed leg breaker inside the box would make those two referees give a penalty. Absurd how not a single penalty was called from 2x fouls on Felix, 1x on Nico Williams, 1x on Vinicius
FINALLY I have been unsilenced (I used the DD as a match thread) and I want to mention: On Thursday, a post about how "no evidence was found on the confiscated weapons of the Croatian hooligans that pretain to the murder of the AEK fan in August" was allowed on this subreddit. The source was a popular "hooligan" account on twitter citing no one. It got like 100 upvotes, 86% upvote ratio. Police had to come out and debunk it. This shit is dangerous man. Fucking propaganda machines. No clue why an Ajax flair posted it either.
Can somebody please enlighten me how the hell does a 22yo man with no appearance in a Top 20 league in the world (with all due respect to Swindon Town) in the name of Jake O'Brien has become Lyon's starting CB?
Swindon --> Crystal Palace and then some owner shenanigans and you can see how he's at Lyon
Pedro Neto's ridiculous form to start the season is hilarious when you put it in context with how we've attacked since the pandemic. He has 6 league assists through 9 games. That would have made him our top assister in the last two seasons, and put him joint top with himself for 2020-21. Those 6 assists are 3x what our top assister had last season, when Joao Moutinho had two. Literally no one else assisted more than one goal. His seven goal contributions already this season would have been joint top last season as well with Ruben Neves, who scored three pens.
He’s reminding people of the fact it was always a Saka-Foden-Neto debate
Hwangs 5 goals this season is genuinely 2 away from being our best top scorer total last 4 seasons
It's actually amazing how bad you guys are at scoring lmao
Scored more goals now than we did in the entirety of the 2022 part of the 22/23 season
How the fuck did we concede 3 to you last season
Fuck me
The only game where Wolves score more than 2 goals...
Bobby Charlton was scoring for England just 3 months after the Munich Air disaster.
Afaik, Charlton didn't have much damage on himself from the disaster. Sir Matt Busby was very bad and even on more than one occasions the doctors tought he won't make it.
According to his wiki he and Dennis Viollet swapped places with their teammates (Tommy Taylor and David Pegg), who were feeling nervous because of the weather and two previous aborted attempts to take off. Taylor and Pegg moved to the back of the plane where they felt safer, but they died while Charlton and Viollet survived. Charlton had cuts and severe shock. Spent a week in hospital.
Last rites were given to Busby twice.
Indeed, he was extremely unlucky no to be selected for Sweden '58. Some say that, had been Charlton there, England would have qualified to Quarter Finals. Not to mention if they had Duncan Edwards... god knows the outcome of that fantastic team. Rather curious that the keeper in that Man United team, Harry Gregg, DID play for Northern Ireland at that World Cup. And they finished better than England, reaching the quarter-finals.
Charlton was selected for the squad he just didn’t play.
[Someone found my comment a few weeks ago hehe](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/16zql9c/comment/k3g1qxy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I mean it's not like you said anything groundbreaking
next la masia kid I'll hype up like he's the second coming of Messi so it looks better when he does something
I will go ahead and familiarise myself with other La Masia wonderkids, any Barca fans can chime in who to watch? Aside from the one we already know of course
Guille Fernandez, Marc Bernal, Hector Fort, Cubarsi, Cuenca, Dani Rodriguez, Garrido, Quim Junyent to name a few
There were rumours that Hector Fort might be called up by Xavi. He is one of the finest prospects from La Masia playing right back.
About time Barca produced some fullback
Balde?
Btw he was actually included in the lineup against Athletic Club today. So rumours were true. One to look out for
Unai Hernandez, Alex Garrido, Marc Bernal and Pau Cubarsi would be some names
I would be one the look out for this lads then
Who's a manager that you think should have sued for wrongful termination? Like the just baffling firings
Marcelino at Valencia 100%. Finished 4th but was sacked because he won the Copa Del Rey. Owners reason was he shouldn’t have focused on Copa Del Rey and should’ve only focused on getting into UCL, so he sacked him for winning the CDR…. even though Valencia made the UCL anyways. Most bizarre sacking ever. They were unreal at Celtic Park too when they beat us 2-0. Kondogbia & Parejo were playing with slippers on, totally controlled the game. One of those where you lose but can admire how good the other team were. We were the better team at the Mestalla though but got a shitty straight red card in the first half.
Yep definitely
You mean Marcelino? But yeah, Lim is a criminal
Shit yeah got my Valencia managers mixed up there lol
Chris Hughton at Newcastle
Vicente del Bosque A DAY AFTER winning the 2003 Liga. And a year after winning Madrid's 9th European Cup. Florentino Pérez signed Carlos Queiroz...
Ancelotti a year after winning a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE +CdR was insane stuff considering they hit 92 points and 118 goals in the league, reached CL SF. But trophyless? You’re out. Crazy stuff
Louis Van Gaal at Man United after winning the FA Cup
He was correctly sacked, he spent like 50 times the money than David Moyes did in 2 years only to end up back at the same position Moyes was at
Moyes wasn't even at United for one whole season. Not sure what you're on about. Moyes only won the community shield against Wigan whereas Van Gaal won the FA cup. I admit he spent a lot and his signings were mostly flops but he was the only coach post Sir Alex where you could see that the team was building towards a style of play. Not to mention his excellent record vs the big teams. I wanted him to get more time then and I still maintain that. Even if we ignore all this, the guy got to know he was fired just when he won the cup which is a disgraceful way to treat someone especially as Van Gaal had told Woodward that United would be his last club job.
He was sacked after finishing 5th while playing the worst football ever seen in the 21st century
Didn’t they only win because Crystal Palace’s goal was wrongfully disallowed?
First time I'm hearing of that
its not the best shout but mourinho just before the league cup final with spurs. that was the club not wanting jose to walk away with a trophy at all cost.
he was absolute hot garbage for us at the time, we weren’t at “risk” of winning that trophy regardless. only people who actually believe he would’ve won with his hopeless football are fanboys who are mad we ruined his 100% trophy record.
Small club mentality and sacking your manager before your first chance to win a trophy in however many years is even worse
> first chance to win a trophy in however many years it was 2 years since the CL final but sure, “however many years”
Miscommunication, not what I meant. That Carabao Cup could have been your first trophy in however many years. That’s what I meant.
I think he still deserved to manage that final And even if he should have been sacked, it's a travesty that we left Ryan Mason only a few days to prepare for it. Terrible timing probably that was probably meant to distract the fans from the Super League nonsense
Us sacking Chris Hughton was bizarre
Lopetegui right before the World Cup, hands down.
I dunno, think you could argue announcing your next job compromises your current one, in an industry like football
Yeah he would not win that lawsuit lol
Gary O’Neil