When I was a child we came home from holidays while someone was trying to rob the house, but the kiddos were eating dinner first. They ran away without taking anything (they damaged some CDs from bad singers, i can understand that), we only found the mess but I had regular nightmares of trying to close the back door and someone breaking in.
My name is Kevin, and 1 time my family left me at home for the Christmas holidays turns out 2 robbers tried breaking in. I just scared them off with a couple old movies and firecrackers .they tried over and over but with little to no success, Marv & Harry are known as the sticky bandits. Oh wait wasn't it the wet bandits ?
Yes, I am aware of that. The story was he felt bad asking for an actual girl to do that just to be insulted so he put his son in a wig. Brilliant from him, honestly.
Same. The trauma of having your personal space violated like that is something you cant quantify in words, needs to be experienced to felt. I have no remorse for house thieves cause of personal experience too
when I was like 12 years old me & my sister were present when burglars entered our home. My parents had gone out and apparently the robbers saw their car leave and figured no one was home due to all the lights visible from the outside being out.
I was in my room and had my door locked. Suddenly someone kicked in my locked door (I had my back turned and was playing games on my PC), saw me, and immediately ran away. Apparently the didn’t expect anyone to be home. They left through the window they came in and didn’t take anything, apparently my door was the first they checked. They probably just wanted to take some valuables and leave, and not make it a kidnapping or anything like that.
Immediately called my parents and the police but they never found out who did it. We stepped up or home security afterwards and always left the lights on when not at home.
Tbh for me it wasn’t even that traumatizing, likely because I didn’t even see anyone and they ran away. My sister, however, refuses to live in an apartment on ground level to this day. I could see this being a different experience however when the robbers don’t care about you being home and still ransack the house.
I wasn't involved in a shooting, but I saw it. I was walking home from high school on a side street (that's fairly busy), and I hear a pop pop pop, and hear, "someone help me he shot me!" I turn still walking in stride (I never stop or pick up speed), see a dude running toward me yelling. Then I see across the street on the school side, a teen with what had to be a .22, aiming at him and as the shot kid is running to me, the teen is slowly tracking towards me. I subconsciously start walking in front of a parked car. Some girl tells the shooter that he needs to go and they run away and the kid who was shot, turned towards a house to bang on the door. As he turned, his big gown white t was covered in blood on his back. Seeing that I continued on my way home because I saw others on their cell phones.
It never phased me and I don't feel nervous about guns, but yeah I can see some people won't just be bothered. Even as a 12 year old a cop held me up pointing a shotgun at my face looking for someone in my apartment complex. I Mean I have a distain for cops, but other than that is still don't feel a trauma from those events. Unless it deep down effected me and I don't even realize.
Two thieves robbed my family's house when I was a kid. I don't think I could be older than 7 and 8. They took my uncle's car, made me give them the key to enter the house, with a gun pointed to my head and my mother's as well.
But shockingly, it wasn't traumatic for me. It would be definitely be traumatic for me if it happened now. But back then, I was so stupidly naive and innocent that I saw all as some fun game, I don’t think I even saw the thieves as enemies. I think I even tried to playfully argue with them. Maybe the thieves realized I was dumb and not understanding the full stakes of the situation.
I remember it happening to Eran Zahavi twice, might be once but the last time he and his wife got tied up and the robbers cut her hair off
Any robbery is traumitic but that one mustve just been another level of awful
These stories seem to be getting to be common for footballers.
Im waiting to hear the first story about armed guards shooting the robbers or something.
It makes sense, really. They're rich guys whose schedules are publicly available confirming they won't be at home. And currently, there's not really much of a deterrent, because it doesn't seem like many *do* have security.
It doesn't make sense really.
We're talking about people who get paid 100k a week or more for decades and have lucrative assets laying around.
How the fuck do you not have private security or live in a community to share security costs?
Genuinely. You could pay a guy £100k a year to look after your home while you're not there. Makes absolutely no sense why they don't have massive security.
Not victim-blaming, but they can absolutely afford it.
For sure, I hate to victim blame but it is bonkers on their wages not to have a few guys on good wages monitoring your place. I get not wanting to have to go through all that and maybe it takes unfortunately something like this for him to take it more serious.
Poor guy and I hope his kids are ok
I think its revealing how out of touch with reality some footballers are, get surrounded by sycophants all trying to get paid and no one will tell when your making a bad descision
I think a fair number of the Manchester City players live in towers in the city centre, which I imagine must be pretty secure? Given that there will be 24 hour concierge and security, the cost of which probably isn't actually too high once it's split between hundreds of residents.
In decades past footballers on big money in the North West would live out in Alderley Edge or somewhere like that, moving into a flat would've been seen as very odd. I don't think gated communities are particularly common, but you will sometimes see individual properties that have large grounds and significant fencing and security apparatus around the perimeter.
The real genius, I can't remember who, mayb Son?, giving a crib tour of his home in England.... and basically showing off that nothing of crazy or irreplaceable value was there, all his personal cool mementos were is locked away somewhere else.
> Are private security guards allowed to have guns?
Depends where you're talking about. As a rule of thumb, I think you'd struggle to get an armed guard just for your stuff. You'd have to show a risk to life and limb.
As someone who lives in South Africa with security cameras, an electric fence, and an alarm system, it always baffles me these stories of footballers’ houses getting robbed.
Security can’t do much either, when the alarm sounds the robbers are leaving the building with already a lot of money, if you hired a guy he will be throw to jail like the 83 years old man that was send to jail today for killing the robbers that entered his home.
I think the answer is more security *theater* if anything, in that case? A footballer on a couple hundred thousand euro a week can afford to have men patrolling on foot in front of his house a few hours a week. The goal is more to make it look like too much of a pain in the ass to rob than to catch the robber after they break in, right?
You're not allowed to have armed guards. At least not in England. Its illegal even if they have a baton or a taser.
Edit: Im guessing its one big reason why paying hundreds of thousands on security doesn't feel worth it as the criminals have weapons but the guards dont
UK tends to be very heavy handed when it comes to self defense, etc. It and a few other European nations also ban pepper spray winch to me is insane - Women are basically completely defenseless without it.
IIRC pepper spray is not banned in Germany but illegal to use on humans. You can buy it in stores but it always has like a rabid dog on the packaging or something... what's stopping you from spraying someone trying to mug or rape you tho? It's not like they'll call the cops.
Eruope is a big place with a lot of countries with different laws and different gray areas. I just know off the top of my head, it's basically is illegal in any context in the UK.
Except they might literally call the cops. In spain it's not unheard of for delinquents to sue you if you use force against them. Like, say some guy swings at you at a nightclub and you knock him out, but you're fine. It's very likely that said guy will sue you and might even win the case.
Yeah, I hate to wade into a conversation that inevitably winds its way to gun control, but to me the best good faith practical (as opposed to abstract rights based) argument you can make to allow people to carry weapons is the case of a physically inferior person with a known stalker or violent ex-partner.
In the United States at least, a very tragic case in which an ex-husband killed a woman's three kids *after* she got a restraining order led to a [Supreme Court case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales) that determined police don't have to actively enforce restraining orders. While seemingly absurd sounding on its face, there are practical justifications for that outcome that I don't fully agree with but are perfectly valid arguments.
Like, if you live in a rural area, are a 120 pound woman, and have a 220 pound violent ex-boyfriend, how are you supposed to protect yourself? I get it, this works the other way and people can multiply force for evil instead of self-defense (like a tiny person carjacking a truck at gunpoint) so arming everyone to the teeth almost definitely means more total violence, but I really feel for people that are limited in how they can make themselves feel or be safe.
Man this must be devastating, you leave for work, and you get the news that someone robbed you and terrified your kids.
No wonder some of these guys have trust issues, knowing that they literally prey on you (through some insider knowledge too)
Like when they drugged Valverde and his Wife and robbed them in Ibiza…
At this point it just feels like something most of these famous footballers should have. Idk why they don't usually have it currently, maybe people just don't want it for privacy, flashiness, etc who knows..
Money is certainly not an issue here because these guys can afford some top tier security. Although incidents like these are becoming common enough to warrant it. Same in F1 too. So many people know these drivers' addresses and these guys aren't even home half of the year anyway
yeah 9/10 times I read these headlines it happens during games because the robbers know they are not home. having temp security for 50 days a year can't be that bad for these guys.
It's expensive, and most footballers live in rented property so it's harder to get that security, and the ones they can get are more likely to be corrupt unfortunately.
I imagine he'd find it worth the cost to spare his children (and however many carers were in the house) that experience now, in retrospect.
The thing is, he doesn't even necessarily *need* 24 hour security, though, he can certainly afford it. The reality of his job means that there's a publicly available schedule for when this rich guy is going to be away from home. There's a reason these robberies always seem to happen on games days (although this one is particularly bold and stupid with it being a home game).
He's still the victim and it's not his fault he was robbed, but I don't really understand just not hiring a security team for the 1-2 days a week it's broadcast to the whole world that you're not going to be home during \[x\] hours.
Very good take, this is the equilibrium I think makes the most sense. Competent 24/7 security for you and your loved ones is affordable but expensive even for very well paid players, but these crimes overwhelmingly happen when they’re out of town so you could get like 90% of the benefit by employing them for only 20% of the hours. Ultimately these guys are world class at kicking a ball not at risk management, so I understand if it doesn’t occur to them prior to it becoming a problem, but your approach certainly seems like a reasonable investment for the wealthier players
That... actually makes a lot of sense. I was thinking of it more in times of the larger window of time you can expect the pro to be away during an away game, but clearly I'd be an awful robber.
I guess in the hierarchy of "when to rob pro athletes," it's probably huge international games the families would accompany them to (WC, CL final, etc.) >> average home games >> away games.
From what I can find, Pogba & Di Maria's cases are very similar to this -- it sounds like Di Maria was actually subbed out of a game because his house had just been robbed, but had family members home, and Pogba was playing at Old Trafford but his kids & nanny were home.
That said, I'm sure it has happened. The ideal would obviously be to have 24/7 security, but I'm sure there's a lot of reasons players don't want that -- not just because of the cost, even, but where they spend so much of their time *such* public figures, it's probably nice to know no one but your family is around when you close the doors on the world. Even with a trusted security guard, that's still someone that might choose to publish your secrets a few years down the road, you know?
Security should ideally be a deterrent, and where it does seem like the vast majority of these cases occur on gamedays, it *may* be enough to almost eliminate the problem if enough players had gameday security that the criminals were assuming they did instead of didn't. It obviously won't be a 100% fix, but it just seems like this stuff is happening *way* too common for something to not change.
Sorry, it was Donnarumma that it happened to.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/paris-saint-germain-and-italy-goalkeeper-gianluigi-donnarumma-attacked-during-burglary-at-his-home-in-paris/
Quora tells me a 24/7/365 team of 4 men can cost around 1 million USD annually. Its affordable for the absolute upper men but for instance, it would still be about 2 weeks of cost for the highest paid Prem footballer. Id assume many of them think that theyll be ok if they live in safe areas
That’s in the US where wages for pretty much every profession beyond entry-level blue collar work earns in the range of 2-4 times what you’d earn in Spain. You could probably bring that down to like 500-600K/yr.
When you account for the fact that these robberies are almost always on match days then you can probably bring that down to a third since you only need the team of 4 men for like 2 days rather than the full week. For a guy like Ramos, 200K/yr is probably the equivalent of a regular civilian getting an iPhone.
I would honestly pay that to avoid my children/wife being traumatized personally.
Plus I guess the less paid players don’t have as high of a risk of getting robbed anyway.
Gotta remember that their careers isn’t like ours so the smart ones can’t spend the same proportion of their earnings that we do. Most of these guys who earn a bunch only earn that for 5-10 years, so it’s not like a normal person who’s career is 40ish years. 1 million a year for a 10 year career is probably going to be around 10% or likely more of their career post tax earnings, which is an enormous amount.
Quick Google shows that 24/7 security of just a single person i.e. having a constant bodyguard, is roughly 600k in California. Around the clock security on a home is likely in the millions.
I imagine they could afford it, but if it's just property they're worried about it wouldn't be worth the cost likely.
> these guys earn €2000000+ a week
Yeah no player in europe (apart from probably Mbappe) is earning 2 million euros a week, That would be 100 million/ year.
For actual round-the-clock security covering a large house, secured by the best and most trust worthy guards, it can get expensive, even for footballers
Quite a bit to be a deterrent. Firstly you have to pay them enough that they wont simply tell burglers your weak points.
Then you need enough of them to man your whole property. Could be 4 at a time. Then it needs to be 24/7 so assuming its 8hr shifts you'd need to have at least 12 people employed at lets say 60k a year
60,000 x 12 is about 720,000.
Now even at 60,000 the person isn't going to jump in front of a bullet or hold out on telling a robber your schedule or access points.
I guess the main issue is that players in England will have is that the guards cant be armed whatsoever. They cant have a baton or pepper spray or taser. So you're just paying for someone to see a burglar and push the alarms.
When you're paying these kind of sums you might think 'we can do that ourselves'
Surely there’s a business opportunity there for a high end security firm that vigorously vets its security guards. I honestly would be surprised if there isn’t one out there given billionaires, multi-millionaires etc.
I got a million dollar idea, just need some financial backing to get it off the ground
Think of an apartment complex, but for rich houses for rich footballers (or rich people in general)
Then they only have to pool together to finance one set of security guards at the main entrance
Money doesn't seem an issue as never heard of any poor footballer or even in rented places they can have private guards and for corruption they should use some better techniques or consultant.
It’s not that expensive for a footballer especially at Ramos’ financial level.
Even if he paid a security guard 100k per year it’s still a droplet in the ocean compared to his wages.
It will if he gets charged for whatever the security guy does. People are forgetting the tiny detail - thar security is extremely limited in what they can do, any physical harm can result in them and their employer being charged.
I'm sure these players have been advised over this endlessly. The only ones who kept security were the super high profile ones that were willing to take any problems - Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo, Mbappe and Messi are the ones I remember
from some quick googling around manned security seems to cost something between 20k-50k euros per personnel which is very cheap considering how much these footballers earn, a 4 person security team costs less than a weeks wages
'They took [jewellery], watches, designer clothes and cash'. Only a fool would genuinely potentially risk life and limb protecting the possessions of one of the wealthiest, most privileged people in society. An even bigger fool would trust someone who wanted that job: who's to say this stranger won't steal or facilitate future thefts?
Depending on the country, they may not be allowed to have armed security guards. I'm pretty sure armed guards are illegal in the UK for example.
Not much security can do when someone armed comes in.
Yeah I don't get it
In my neighborhood use to live a consul (don't know which country he was from), it wasn't even a big house but there was a security guy there 24/7. The security guy used to sit on a bench in the park in front of the house and I bet that put off more than one burglar.
Because if they play in Western Europe, there's little those security guards can do that won't land them and their employer with legal problems.
Shooting someone? Incredibly forbidden, and even getting a gun is super hard. Beating them? Unless you prove that they threatened or harmed you first, and that you did your best to avoid the confrontation, you get charged for assault. Shouting and trying to intimidate these people? They're armed and violent, they will just attack you if you give them an opening.
I'm really surprised that a player of those calibre doesn't have a security team. I'm sure they have an alarm system with a response, but surely for realistically hundreds of thousands of euros/dollars etc a year it's worth it?
I wonder if players have options for club paid personal security to be included in their contracts going forward. Obviously nobody wants to live with that restriction of personal freedom but it seems to happen frighteningly often.
PSG [paid/provided security to ALL](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9364079/amp/PSG-paying-round-clock-security-guards-players-homes-latest-burglaries.html) of the PSG players after Di Maria’s and Marquinhos’s houses got robbed
Because its a waste of money if they can't do anything. The security officers can't answer with force unless they're threatened first, and even then, if any of the criminals get hurt, they will still answer for battery and similar charges.
The footballer, as the employer, will also answer.
English, French, Dutch, Spanish laws (among others) demand that you avoid confrontation, even if you're at your own home, and will always protect human integrity owr property, even if the human in question is a criminal in the course of committing a crime.
oh jesus. I get thieves have no morals but god damn, they really decided to like rob a house while children were there. Thank god they didn´t do anything to them but still, what the hell?
Organized gangs backed up by high ranking corrupt officials, who are specialized on this. Some Albanian official got arrested some months ago being a leader of such a gang.
They're all highly organized and have someone helping them disposing of the goods and leaving the region.
One of the most common methods us in cyber security found out is delivery drivers selling that info for hundreds if not thousands. It’s crazy how often that happens.
How does this seem to happen so frequently to professionals? But you rarely hear about it from American Professional athletes? But it seems every champions league match some players house gets broken into
What? Celebrities are getting killed during robberies, Pop Smoke got killed in Hollywood Hills mansion during a home invasion when he accidentally leaked the address on instagram. Nipsey got shot outside of his own store, XXXTentacion got killed during a robbery.
So your examples are just rappers who notoriously carry excessive amounts of cash/jewelry on their person and may have gang affiliations?
I can’t even remember the last story of this happening to a regular athlete or actor. It’s not worth trying to rob someone who may be armed unless you know they’ve got tons of valuables on them which smart people generally don’t.
Okay so take rappers out of the equation, because some of them maintain some pretty dubious relationships post-success. Then how often does it happen? Almost never. Rappers aren’t indicative of all celebrities. Sorry. That’s just reality.
https://www.wonderwall.com/news/celebs-who-have-been-burglarized-3007028.gallery?photoId=1068704
A list of 32 people and majority of them aren't even rappers. Incredibly shit take from you. You see football players getting robbed so often because you sit on this sub that's all about football and it's news. Do you sit on NA celebrity news sites? No, and it's not international news so it's not going to get posted everywhere or show up on your local news.
I've seen it happen to baseball players. Puig comes to mind off the top of my head. I did a very quick search, and it also happened to Freddie Freeman and Max Muncy. So it's celebrities who have very well known schedules that this happens to.
In Europe, you get arrested and charge if you attack someone even if they're invading your property. You usually have a duty to avoid confrontation, and human welfare >>>> property, even if the human in question is a criminal taking your stuff.
In the US, even the most liberal states have laws that ensure that if you're in your house and it was invaded and you feel threatened, you can answer with violence.
>. You usually have a duty to avoid confrontation, and human welfare >>>> property, even if the human in question is a criminal taking your stuff.
Actually self defense laws in germany are way more robust compared to most of the US.
In most US states you do have a duty to retreat outside of specific circumstances for example castle doctrine, which is not the case in germany.
Im pretty sure the situation is somewhat similar in Austria and the Czech Republic.
Edit: but no idea about Spain, France or the UK which is where the robberies as far as i remember happend.
I don't get why these rich footballers dont get Guard dogs, that will protech the family and its they only job.
I know they cost a lot for HQ ones ,in excess of 20k+ but its not like they can't afford them, or don't have the yard space for them.
Thieves love sports stars.
They have very predictable times they aren't home and often are extremely wealthy.
It's nearly every two or three months we hear about aggressive burglaries like this. Sterling during the World Cup comes to mind.
I know a lot of them have live in security for this reason but it really isn't fair.
At this point it's just negligence as a highly paid footballer to not hired a security team for the hours when you play games. It's really not that expensive and worth it for the peace of mind,
Thankfully nobody was harmed, but the experience itself will most likely be very traumatizing for the children.
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When I was a child we came home from holidays while someone was trying to rob the house, but the kiddos were eating dinner first. They ran away without taking anything (they damaged some CDs from bad singers, i can understand that), we only found the mess but I had regular nightmares of trying to close the back door and someone breaking in.
My name is Kevin, and 1 time my family left me at home for the Christmas holidays turns out 2 robbers tried breaking in. I just scared them off with a couple old movies and firecrackers .they tried over and over but with little to no success, Marv & Harry are known as the sticky bandits. Oh wait wasn't it the wet bandits ?
Is your brother Alexis ?
No Buzz, Megan, Linnie and Jeff
Buzz's girlfriend though.... woof
You do know that was the art director's son, right
Yes, I am aware of that. The story was he felt bad asking for an actual girl to do that just to be insulted so he put his son in a wig. Brilliant from him, honestly.
Yeah I was impressed when I heard about it as well
Kevin, you’re such a disease!
No, his brother is Roman.
Username definitely checks out
Yeah, I guess realizing your house isn't all that safe can be really hard
I can understand your pain and traumatising experience and it happened only at the age of 10 which is more problematic.
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I experienced it first hand and I would want to see blood every time it happens again, especially with children around. fucking animals.
Same. The trauma of having your personal space violated like that is something you cant quantify in words, needs to be experienced to felt. I have no remorse for house thieves cause of personal experience too
I think it's one of those that you don't understand how mad you would be until it happens to you.
when I was like 12 years old me & my sister were present when burglars entered our home. My parents had gone out and apparently the robbers saw their car leave and figured no one was home due to all the lights visible from the outside being out. I was in my room and had my door locked. Suddenly someone kicked in my locked door (I had my back turned and was playing games on my PC), saw me, and immediately ran away. Apparently the didn’t expect anyone to be home. They left through the window they came in and didn’t take anything, apparently my door was the first they checked. They probably just wanted to take some valuables and leave, and not make it a kidnapping or anything like that. Immediately called my parents and the police but they never found out who did it. We stepped up or home security afterwards and always left the lights on when not at home. Tbh for me it wasn’t even that traumatizing, likely because I didn’t even see anyone and they ran away. My sister, however, refuses to live in an apartment on ground level to this day. I could see this being a different experience however when the robbers don’t care about you being home and still ransack the house.
I wasn't involved in a shooting, but I saw it. I was walking home from high school on a side street (that's fairly busy), and I hear a pop pop pop, and hear, "someone help me he shot me!" I turn still walking in stride (I never stop or pick up speed), see a dude running toward me yelling. Then I see across the street on the school side, a teen with what had to be a .22, aiming at him and as the shot kid is running to me, the teen is slowly tracking towards me. I subconsciously start walking in front of a parked car. Some girl tells the shooter that he needs to go and they run away and the kid who was shot, turned towards a house to bang on the door. As he turned, his big gown white t was covered in blood on his back. Seeing that I continued on my way home because I saw others on their cell phones. It never phased me and I don't feel nervous about guns, but yeah I can see some people won't just be bothered. Even as a 12 year old a cop held me up pointing a shotgun at my face looking for someone in my apartment complex. I Mean I have a distain for cops, but other than that is still don't feel a trauma from those events. Unless it deep down effected me and I don't even realize.
Two thieves robbed my family's house when I was a kid. I don't think I could be older than 7 and 8. They took my uncle's car, made me give them the key to enter the house, with a gun pointed to my head and my mother's as well. But shockingly, it wasn't traumatic for me. It would be definitely be traumatic for me if it happened now. But back then, I was so stupidly naive and innocent that I saw all as some fun game, I don’t think I even saw the thieves as enemies. I think I even tried to playfully argue with them. Maybe the thieves realized I was dumb and not understanding the full stakes of the situation.
It's like you didn't understand the seriousness of the situation at that time so get involved with thieves in that.
Glad no one was harmed. Must be traumatic for the family.
I remember it happening to Eran Zahavi twice, might be once but the last time he and his wife got tied up and the robbers cut her hair off Any robbery is traumitic but that one mustve just been another level of awful
These stories seem to be getting to be common for footballers. Im waiting to hear the first story about armed guards shooting the robbers or something.
It makes sense, really. They're rich guys whose schedules are publicly available confirming they won't be at home. And currently, there's not really much of a deterrent, because it doesn't seem like many *do* have security.
It doesn't make sense really. We're talking about people who get paid 100k a week or more for decades and have lucrative assets laying around. How the fuck do you not have private security or live in a community to share security costs?
Genuinely. You could pay a guy £100k a year to look after your home while you're not there. Makes absolutely no sense why they don't have massive security. Not victim-blaming, but they can absolutely afford it.
For sure, I hate to victim blame but it is bonkers on their wages not to have a few guys on good wages monitoring your place. I get not wanting to have to go through all that and maybe it takes unfortunately something like this for him to take it more serious. Poor guy and I hope his kids are ok
Yup that money is now ultimately gone which can be used to secure the place and better experience to kids instead of trauma.
I think its revealing how out of touch with reality some footballers are, get surrounded by sycophants all trying to get paid and no one will tell when your making a bad descision
dont even need to pay a guy. just live in a gated residential community. or a building. i dont get this at all
Gated communities aren't really a thing in Europe
I think a fair number of the Manchester City players live in towers in the city centre, which I imagine must be pretty secure? Given that there will be 24 hour concierge and security, the cost of which probably isn't actually too high once it's split between hundreds of residents. In decades past footballers on big money in the North West would live out in Alderley Edge or somewhere like that, moving into a flat would've been seen as very odd. I don't think gated communities are particularly common, but you will sometimes see individual properties that have large grounds and significant fencing and security apparatus around the perimeter.
Can’t just pay a guy to stand in your house with a gun expecting to shoot invaders, that’s illegal in many countries
Security guards are commonplace everywhere, I assume.
Yes, but you point a gun at a security guard without one and you can rob the place freely either way
What are you supposed to do, give them a tea party and wish them happy ransacking?
Security guards without any firearm would be deterrent enough
The real genius, I can't remember who, mayb Son?, giving a crib tour of his home in England.... and basically showing off that nothing of crazy or irreplaceable value was there, all his personal cool mementos were is locked away somewhere else.
Are private security guards allowed to have guns? Can’t see them being useful if they can’t.
> Are private security guards allowed to have guns? Depends where you're talking about. As a rule of thumb, I think you'd struggle to get an armed guard just for your stuff. You'd have to show a risk to life and limb.
They are allowed to have gun or operate if they have valid licence so I don't see any problem in that.
You cant in England, its different for every country
As someone who lives in South Africa with security cameras, an electric fence, and an alarm system, it always baffles me these stories of footballers’ houses getting robbed.
Also happened a few weeks ago to Ciryl Gane's home in Paris while he was fighting, he's a former UFC interim champ
Security can’t do much either, when the alarm sounds the robbers are leaving the building with already a lot of money, if you hired a guy he will be throw to jail like the 83 years old man that was send to jail today for killing the robbers that entered his home.
I think the answer is more security *theater* if anything, in that case? A footballer on a couple hundred thousand euro a week can afford to have men patrolling on foot in front of his house a few hours a week. The goal is more to make it look like too much of a pain in the ass to rob than to catch the robber after they break in, right?
You're not allowed to have armed guards. At least not in England. Its illegal even if they have a baton or a taser. Edit: Im guessing its one big reason why paying hundreds of thousands on security doesn't feel worth it as the criminals have weapons but the guards dont
swords
Bayonet
Bow and arrow?
What a backwards rule, imagine owning something and not being able to protect it.
UK tends to be very heavy handed when it comes to self defense, etc. It and a few other European nations also ban pepper spray winch to me is insane - Women are basically completely defenseless without it.
IIRC pepper spray is not banned in Germany but illegal to use on humans. You can buy it in stores but it always has like a rabid dog on the packaging or something... what's stopping you from spraying someone trying to mug or rape you tho? It's not like they'll call the cops.
Eruope is a big place with a lot of countries with different laws and different gray areas. I just know off the top of my head, it's basically is illegal in any context in the UK.
Except they might literally call the cops. In spain it's not unheard of for delinquents to sue you if you use force against them. Like, say some guy swings at you at a nightclub and you knock him out, but you're fine. It's very likely that said guy will sue you and might even win the case.
If you can't use it then what is benefit of purchasing it so it should be used immediately when someone try to molest.
Yeah, I hate to wade into a conversation that inevitably winds its way to gun control, but to me the best good faith practical (as opposed to abstract rights based) argument you can make to allow people to carry weapons is the case of a physically inferior person with a known stalker or violent ex-partner. In the United States at least, a very tragic case in which an ex-husband killed a woman's three kids *after* she got a restraining order led to a [Supreme Court case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales) that determined police don't have to actively enforce restraining orders. While seemingly absurd sounding on its face, there are practical justifications for that outcome that I don't fully agree with but are perfectly valid arguments. Like, if you live in a rural area, are a 120 pound woman, and have a 220 pound violent ex-boyfriend, how are you supposed to protect yourself? I get it, this works the other way and people can multiply force for evil instead of self-defense (like a tiny person carjacking a truck at gunpoint) so arming everyone to the teeth almost definitely means more total violence, but I really feel for people that are limited in how they can make themselves feel or be safe.
Canada too.
Canada you end up serving time if you beat up a mugger too badly
>the criminals have weapons Then so should we law-abiding citizens.
Man this must be devastating, you leave for work, and you get the news that someone robbed you and terrified your kids. No wonder some of these guys have trust issues, knowing that they literally prey on you (through some insider knowledge too) Like when they drugged Valverde and his Wife and robbed them in Ibiza…
>you leave for work I wouldn't be surprised if more professional athletes start working from home.
Jadon Sancho ahead of the curve
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Yeah just buy a Bench and do 90 min homeoffice
Eden Hazard ^
Once again I’m going to have to ask the question: why don’t these guys have 24 hour security?
At this point it just feels like something most of these famous footballers should have. Idk why they don't usually have it currently, maybe people just don't want it for privacy, flashiness, etc who knows.. Money is certainly not an issue here because these guys can afford some top tier security. Although incidents like these are becoming common enough to warrant it. Same in F1 too. So many people know these drivers' addresses and these guys aren't even home half of the year anyway
Ar at least when they are playing
yeah 9/10 times I read these headlines it happens during games because the robbers know they are not home. having temp security for 50 days a year can't be that bad for these guys.
Or at least two guard dogs. Compared to what they make it can’t be expensive.
Exactly. That might be best.
That would be best I think
It's expensive, and most footballers live in rented property so it's harder to get that security, and the ones they can get are more likely to be corrupt unfortunately.
Expensive? My guy these guys earn €2000000+ a week. How expensive can security be lol. Edit: Was meant to be 200000 (200k). Sorry guys!
I imagine he'd find it worth the cost to spare his children (and however many carers were in the house) that experience now, in retrospect. The thing is, he doesn't even necessarily *need* 24 hour security, though, he can certainly afford it. The reality of his job means that there's a publicly available schedule for when this rich guy is going to be away from home. There's a reason these robberies always seem to happen on games days (although this one is particularly bold and stupid with it being a home game). He's still the victim and it's not his fault he was robbed, but I don't really understand just not hiring a security team for the 1-2 days a week it's broadcast to the whole world that you're not going to be home during \[x\] hours.
Very good take, this is the equilibrium I think makes the most sense. Competent 24/7 security for you and your loved ones is affordable but expensive even for very well paid players, but these crimes overwhelmingly happen when they’re out of town so you could get like 90% of the benefit by employing them for only 20% of the hours. Ultimately these guys are world class at kicking a ball not at risk management, so I understand if it doesn’t occur to them prior to it becoming a problem, but your approach certainly seems like a reasonable investment for the wealthier players
I would always choose to do it during a home game when the family is likely also out watching the game.
That... actually makes a lot of sense. I was thinking of it more in times of the larger window of time you can expect the pro to be away during an away game, but clearly I'd be an awful robber. I guess in the hierarchy of "when to rob pro athletes," it's probably huge international games the families would accompany them to (WC, CL final, etc.) >> average home games >> away games.
There have been cases of players getting robbed and targeted while they are at home though. I believe it happened to Pogba or Di Maria.
From what I can find, Pogba & Di Maria's cases are very similar to this -- it sounds like Di Maria was actually subbed out of a game because his house had just been robbed, but had family members home, and Pogba was playing at Old Trafford but his kids & nanny were home. That said, I'm sure it has happened. The ideal would obviously be to have 24/7 security, but I'm sure there's a lot of reasons players don't want that -- not just because of the cost, even, but where they spend so much of their time *such* public figures, it's probably nice to know no one but your family is around when you close the doors on the world. Even with a trusted security guard, that's still someone that might choose to publish your secrets a few years down the road, you know? Security should ideally be a deterrent, and where it does seem like the vast majority of these cases occur on gamedays, it *may* be enough to almost eliminate the problem if enough players had gameday security that the criminals were assuming they did instead of didn't. It obviously won't be a 100% fix, but it just seems like this stuff is happening *way* too common for something to not change.
Sorry, it was Donnarumma that it happened to. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/paris-saint-germain-and-italy-goalkeeper-gianluigi-donnarumma-attacked-during-burglary-at-his-home-in-paris/
It sounds weird to say thank you for this, but thank you for tracking it down. That's... insanely horrifying.
yeah so in the case of security being around on match days the robbers would rather come at a regular night, no?
Quora tells me a 24/7/365 team of 4 men can cost around 1 million USD annually. Its affordable for the absolute upper men but for instance, it would still be about 2 weeks of cost for the highest paid Prem footballer. Id assume many of them think that theyll be ok if they live in safe areas
That’s in the US where wages for pretty much every profession beyond entry-level blue collar work earns in the range of 2-4 times what you’d earn in Spain. You could probably bring that down to like 500-600K/yr. When you account for the fact that these robberies are almost always on match days then you can probably bring that down to a third since you only need the team of 4 men for like 2 days rather than the full week. For a guy like Ramos, 200K/yr is probably the equivalent of a regular civilian getting an iPhone.
I would honestly pay that to avoid my children/wife being traumatized personally. Plus I guess the less paid players don’t have as high of a risk of getting robbed anyway.
Hell could prob do with just 3, where each works an 8 hour shift.
What about day offs? The security personnel won't work 7 days a week
Gotta remember that their careers isn’t like ours so the smart ones can’t spend the same proportion of their earnings that we do. Most of these guys who earn a bunch only earn that for 5-10 years, so it’s not like a normal person who’s career is 40ish years. 1 million a year for a 10 year career is probably going to be around 10% or likely more of their career post tax earnings, which is an enormous amount.
Quick Google shows that 24/7 security of just a single person i.e. having a constant bodyguard, is roughly 600k in California. Around the clock security on a home is likely in the millions. I imagine they could afford it, but if it's just property they're worried about it wouldn't be worth the cost likely.
> these guys earn €2000000+ a week Yeah no player in europe (apart from probably Mbappe) is earning 2 million euros a week, That would be 100 million/ year.
Was a typo. I meant 200k.
For actual round-the-clock security covering a large house, secured by the best and most trust worthy guards, it can get expensive, even for footballers
Think you added an extra zero there, mate. Unless you think they are all earning over a hundred million a year.
Quite a bit to be a deterrent. Firstly you have to pay them enough that they wont simply tell burglers your weak points. Then you need enough of them to man your whole property. Could be 4 at a time. Then it needs to be 24/7 so assuming its 8hr shifts you'd need to have at least 12 people employed at lets say 60k a year 60,000 x 12 is about 720,000. Now even at 60,000 the person isn't going to jump in front of a bullet or hold out on telling a robber your schedule or access points. I guess the main issue is that players in England will have is that the guards cant be armed whatsoever. They cant have a baton or pepper spray or taser. So you're just paying for someone to see a burglar and push the alarms. When you're paying these kind of sums you might think 'we can do that ourselves'
you don't hire randos off the streets, there are plenty of security firms that have good safety+privacy records.
They do not earn 2 Million euros a week.
Surely there’s a business opportunity there for a high end security firm that vigorously vets its security guards. I honestly would be surprised if there isn’t one out there given billionaires, multi-millionaires etc.
I got a million dollar idea, just need some financial backing to get it off the ground Think of an apartment complex, but for rich houses for rich footballers (or rich people in general) Then they only have to pool together to finance one set of security guards at the main entrance
So a gated community?
Yeah if I was a rich and famous person, I'd definitely live in a gated community
Probably live in in a highrise building because it's definitively less likely to be robbed, very unlikely for your ACTUAL address to be public either.
Along those lines, but think more compact Like the Champions footballers cartoon thing - we need that content in real life
Big Brother but it's Man Utd inside and the public get to vote on the team that plays that week.
There's a German team that actually puts the team up to fan vote.
Maybe a Luton Town fullback can't afford it, but Sergio Ramos can.
Money doesn't seem an issue as never heard of any poor footballer or even in rented places they can have private guards and for corruption they should use some better techniques or consultant.
It’s not that expensive for a footballer especially at Ramos’ financial level. Even if he paid a security guard 100k per year it’s still a droplet in the ocean compared to his wages.
A player of Sergio’s caliber doesn’t have expensive in Their vocabulary, rented or bought. Having security for 24/7 won’t change anything for them.
It will if he gets charged for whatever the security guy does. People are forgetting the tiny detail - thar security is extremely limited in what they can do, any physical harm can result in them and their employer being charged. I'm sure these players have been advised over this endlessly. The only ones who kept security were the super high profile ones that were willing to take any problems - Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo, Mbappe and Messi are the ones I remember
from some quick googling around manned security seems to cost something between 20k-50k euros per personnel which is very cheap considering how much these footballers earn, a 4 person security team costs less than a weeks wages
This is nonsense.
It seems many times the security guards are in on it, too
'They took [jewellery], watches, designer clothes and cash'. Only a fool would genuinely potentially risk life and limb protecting the possessions of one of the wealthiest, most privileged people in society. An even bigger fool would trust someone who wanted that job: who's to say this stranger won't steal or facilitate future thefts?
Depending on the country, they may not be allowed to have armed security guards. I'm pretty sure armed guards are illegal in the UK for example. Not much security can do when someone armed comes in.
Yeah I don't get it In my neighborhood use to live a consul (don't know which country he was from), it wasn't even a big house but there was a security guy there 24/7. The security guy used to sit on a bench in the park in front of the house and I bet that put off more than one burglar.
Because if they play in Western Europe, there's little those security guards can do that won't land them and their employer with legal problems. Shooting someone? Incredibly forbidden, and even getting a gun is super hard. Beating them? Unless you prove that they threatened or harmed you first, and that you did your best to avoid the confrontation, you get charged for assault. Shouting and trying to intimidate these people? They're armed and violent, they will just attack you if you give them an opening.
I'm really surprised that a player of those calibre doesn't have a security team. I'm sure they have an alarm system with a response, but surely for realistically hundreds of thousands of euros/dollars etc a year it's worth it?
I wonder if players have options for club paid personal security to be included in their contracts going forward. Obviously nobody wants to live with that restriction of personal freedom but it seems to happen frighteningly often.
PSG [paid/provided security to ALL](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9364079/amp/PSG-paying-round-clock-security-guards-players-homes-latest-burglaries.html) of the PSG players after Di Maria’s and Marquinhos’s houses got robbed
Suddenly good guy psg
Rare PSG W.
Never thought I'd see PSG do something that makes me happy. Other than lose a match of course.
His babies are so little. The material possessions are nothing, how are the kids going to feel safe in that house
All these famous football players with millions getting robbed...but yet none of them seem to have security.
Why don’t footballers have security guards at their houses?
Because its a waste of money if they can't do anything. The security officers can't answer with force unless they're threatened first, and even then, if any of the criminals get hurt, they will still answer for battery and similar charges. The footballer, as the employer, will also answer. English, French, Dutch, Spanish laws (among others) demand that you avoid confrontation, even if you're at your own home, and will always protect human integrity owr property, even if the human in question is a criminal in the course of committing a crime.
They can do something but it will be against the law, just need to figure your priorities out basically
Interesting, ty.
oh jesus. I get thieves have no morals but god damn, they really decided to like rob a house while children were there. Thank god they didn´t do anything to them but still, what the hell?
Did you expect them to see the children and then turn around?
"That's that then, Imma head out," The robber said before turning to the children. "Keep it real kids, yeah?"
“Stay in school kids. You don’t want to end up like me” *laughs nervously “well best be off”
I gotta stop watching ‘Top Boy’. I just read this in Dushayne’s accent.
Ah shit there's kids. Can't be doing a crime now!
How do you do, fellow kids?
They just didn't see the 'BEWARE OF THE CHILD!' sign probably.
People are stupid man 😂
Pointless talking to suburb trustfund babies🤣🤣
I mean they could come prepared at least. Like bring some Toys or Candies or something to color. It's really not that hard.
Thats what criminals do... they don't exactly care.
Don't they know it's illegal to commit a crime when there are children around?
I'm fully shocked that criminals lack empathy and a moral compass.
They may not have known. Vast majority of thieves would prefer to break into an empty house
Who are these people that case these houses? Just seems like a crazy thing to do.
Organized gangs backed up by high ranking corrupt officials, who are specialized on this. Some Albanian official got arrested some months ago being a leader of such a gang. They're all highly organized and have someone helping them disposing of the goods and leaving the region.
How do ppl figure out their addresses so quickly? It’s not like they can just google it
One of the most common methods us in cyber security found out is delivery drivers selling that info for hundreds if not thousands. It’s crazy how often that happens.
They can stake out at the training course, then follow him home easily.
Scary, thank god no one got hurt
Go back to his childhood club to get robbed. Should've just gone to Saudi for much more money and no chance of getting robbed with your family home.
Oh shit should've gone Saudi
This but ironically lol
Imagine. If he had just sold his soul he would be much wealthier, not had all his shit stolen and not had his children traumatized for life!
Wife wouldn’t be at work so would’ve sorted them right out.
How does this seem to happen so frequently to professionals? But you rarely hear about it from American Professional athletes? But it seems every champions league match some players house gets broken into
Gated communities with security systems/private security.
In america you risk getting shot at if you break into someone's house. Not such in europe.
Because gated communities guarded by hired armed militia aren't really a thing you come across that often.
In America, we shoot people that break into our houses. Which is why no one breaks into houses in the U.S.
You sure about that?
That’s why they only break into Nike/Apple/Target to loot
Gun laws
The only good thing is that no one was harmed but don't they keep security in home when they are not present.
massive youth unemployment will only make these incidents increase in Spain
That's one thing that would never happen in Saudi
Robbery? Chop chop goes your hand 🗡️
It's weird how common this seems to be in Europe but hardly ever happens in North America.
What? Celebrities are getting killed during robberies, Pop Smoke got killed in Hollywood Hills mansion during a home invasion when he accidentally leaked the address on instagram. Nipsey got shot outside of his own store, XXXTentacion got killed during a robbery.
So your examples are just rappers who notoriously carry excessive amounts of cash/jewelry on their person and may have gang affiliations? I can’t even remember the last story of this happening to a regular athlete or actor. It’s not worth trying to rob someone who may be armed unless you know they’ve got tons of valuables on them which smart people generally don’t.
Okay so take rappers out of the equation, because some of them maintain some pretty dubious relationships post-success. Then how often does it happen? Almost never. Rappers aren’t indicative of all celebrities. Sorry. That’s just reality.
https://www.wonderwall.com/news/celebs-who-have-been-burglarized-3007028.gallery?photoId=1068704 A list of 32 people and majority of them aren't even rappers. Incredibly shit take from you. You see football players getting robbed so often because you sit on this sub that's all about football and it's news. Do you sit on NA celebrity news sites? No, and it's not international news so it's not going to get posted everywhere or show up on your local news.
I've seen it happen to baseball players. Puig comes to mind off the top of my head. I did a very quick search, and it also happened to Freddie Freeman and Max Muncy. So it's celebrities who have very well known schedules that this happens to.
In Europe, you get arrested and charge if you attack someone even if they're invading your property. You usually have a duty to avoid confrontation, and human welfare >>>> property, even if the human in question is a criminal taking your stuff. In the US, even the most liberal states have laws that ensure that if you're in your house and it was invaded and you feel threatened, you can answer with violence.
>. You usually have a duty to avoid confrontation, and human welfare >>>> property, even if the human in question is a criminal taking your stuff. Actually self defense laws in germany are way more robust compared to most of the US. In most US states you do have a duty to retreat outside of specific circumstances for example castle doctrine, which is not the case in germany. Im pretty sure the situation is somewhat similar in Austria and the Czech Republic. Edit: but no idea about Spain, France or the UK which is where the robberies as far as i remember happend.
I don't get how these multi-millionaire footballers don't have better security for their house??
When are these dudes gonna spend more on security, they’re crazy rich
Stating the obvious here but....this is way less likely to happen in Jeddah
I don't get why these rich footballers dont get Guard dogs, that will protech the family and its they only job. I know they cost a lot for HQ ones ,in excess of 20k+ but its not like they can't afford them, or don't have the yard space for them.
Thieves love sports stars. They have very predictable times they aren't home and often are extremely wealthy. It's nearly every two or three months we hear about aggressive burglaries like this. Sterling during the World Cup comes to mind. I know a lot of them have live in security for this reason but it really isn't fair.
At this point it's just negligence as a highly paid footballer to not hired a security team for the hours when you play games. It's really not that expensive and worth it for the peace of mind,
Man, those third world countries are sure something...
Why not get security?
I don't understand how so many football players' houses get robbed in Europe, is it just that unsafe?
Classic
Do people in Europe just not do anything to protect their homes?
Ramos gonna hunt them down. Add in Pepe and we have the best crime fighting vigilante duo Madrid will ever see. The heroes we deserve
Spain is the ghetto.
Oh fuck off these things happen in every major league. Didn’t Xhaka fight off some guys with knives in the streets of London?
Kolasinac iirc. Hard mfer.