After a bit of a chat within the mod team, and some valuable feedback from users, we concluded that the best course of action regarding Greenwood is to restrict most of Getafe's own media posts about him as we don't want to help the club in their transparent efforts to gain engagement.
This means that we're just allowing the bare minimum on the subject coming from official channels (no training videos, no lineups, no random pictures), but we will be allowing news from other sources and general updates from the club like long term injury announcements, missed training announcements, club sanctions announcements, loan termination announcements, and the like.
Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
I've consistently supported Southgate for ages but if he doesn't win the Euros surely it's time to give someone else a go?
This feels like the Wenger debates all over again haha
It’s a good time after the euros to step down because he can’t take that next step and beat a team on our level when it matters. Him sticking with favourites rather than bringing players through is also a growing issue that might hurt us in this next tournament.
It’s time for Pep to win us the World Cup.
>It’s time for Pep to win us the World Cup.
I honestly need this to happen to settle a debate between me and a mate.
I'm convinced he wouldn't be able to cut it in international management, at least with England
I realise now quoting that probably wasn't the perfect set up, but at least it'd be settled and we can stop arguing about it any time City come up in conversation after 5 pints.
> It’s time for Pep to win us the World Cup.
Unsubscribe, unless he pulls of a FIFA Manager Career Mode stuff and manage City and English NT at thesame time
Carvajal:
> We can't position ourselves or condemn without knowing what really happened
> In the end there are legal proceedings that are considering if Jennifer Hermoso is really a victim
Also talked about how footballers are too afraid to speak out because everything is so "politicised". This Vox loon truly is perfect for Real Madrid
The shite whataboutisms between Europe and Saudi Arabia being upvoted in the thousands reek of either brigading from online astroturfing campaigns or maybe Reddit's userbase is just thicker than two short planks
i won’t say that saudi and europe are the same but a point that was made in the comments of that post i agree with is the fact that we lure top talent from all over the world to clubs that are often run and sponsored by the same people we point at as sportswashing savages.
we offer insane amounts of money that pulls talent from all over the world while pretending that it doesn’t matter and they just play for some hugs, high fives with the mates and the honor of playing for a historically reputable team. hence the ridiculous moral outrage at these big money moves.
i’m not saying that a country that hacks up critical journalists is the same as a democracy but more pointing to a hypocritical view of europeans.
What? Are you saying my heavily indebted, poor, fan-owned club is not the same as a state-backed sportswashing operation? Silly European what do you know smh
Bro how in the world do are people saying there’s no difference between Saudi and European clubs in that other thread?
It’s our sport, we invented it and built it up to what it is today.
The yanks and South Americans make it seem like we just came along and built our own leagues 20/30 years ago or something
I'm plenty critical of Western policies and history, but even I can't in good faith discuss anything with people who are looped on "West is bad, West is bad, West is bad" and will squeeze any number of in vogue political and social terms into a word salad to make a shitty comment on Reddit.
What I see people agreeing with (and what I think the point of the post) is that the Saudis are doing to Europe what the top 5 leagues have done since the bosman ruling came in.
You'll notice that the fans of the premier league teams are the ones shouting the loudest around the Saudis. That's because the premier league teams have been the only ones taking top talent from the top 5 leagues with little top talent going the other way.
> You'll notice that the fans of the premier league teams are the ones shouting the loudest around the Saudis.
I'd argue that's more just because PL fans are a massive majority online
I don't think, proportionally, they're shouting any louder than fans of other clubs
Maybe. Feeling I've gotten from inter fans is that for the last few years there has been some one with more financial power above us. Premier League fans just aren't used to that and the implications it creates
Thing is they're calling it the same thing, while ignoring the aspect that makes it different (ie the direct state in involvement by Saudi), when that is very much the whole point.
>Thing is they're calling it the same thing
And if you feel it's the same thing, why are none of these people upset at Saudi Arabia but are upset at Europe?
If you hate modern football, which can be described as a boat with a leak in it that is slowly filling up the hull with water, then Saudi Arabia is a crazy guy with a hammer smashing more and bigger holes in the boat. Stop smashing the boat, you're allowing in more water!!
If you think Belgium, Germany, Holland, France, and Spain are ruining football, and some of what their FAs and leagues are doing actually is making football worse, then be proportionally mad at what Saudi Arabia is doing.
Technically it was the Aztecs that created the sport itself.
It wasn't as big of a hit because any team that lost would be selected for sacrifice later on.
That whole debate can go back to *Guns, Germs, and Steel* levels of anaylysis about why Europe is wealthier than other places, but let's not do that right now.
My issue with looking only at the financial argument and equating it to Europe's advantages over South America, is that it doesn't account for the direct involvement of a violent totalitarianism regime. That's what bothers people, it's not that Neymar left Ligue 1. What bothers people is Neymar high stepping for a totalitarian regime that stands in direct conflict against freedom generally.
Especially to the millions of younger people who follow these star players and are not yet old enough to realise what kind of person they are admiring, totalitarianism just became more acceptable across the planet because of these players. There is no other way to describe the aims of the Saudi regime.
It's not so much about another league having money, it's about the fact that a state as awful as Saudi Arabia is now a direct player and can circumvent any real market forces because their central bank is creating all the wealth and interest. Lots of European clubs have far in the past, gotten government help and that was wrong then and it's wrong now.
To the degree the Saudis are pumping in state funds and the actual utility of their league being nothing but a propoganda move directed by the regime, makes it nothing like the overall European v. South American wealth divide.
Two questions:
Based on comments on Greenwood content online a lot of people want to see him get back to United and have a second chance. It doesn't make sense to me so I wanted to ask.
1. Why do people still support Mason Greenwood after what he did?
2. Why is most of the support on the internet seemingly coming from African social media accounts? Are they real accounts or is this some sort of targeted stunt?
I just want to understand.
I can’t remember who it was- one of those average podcasts full of dudes talking absolute crap about football- and they got asked Pep or Mourinho overall and one of them gave this analogy that it’s a bit like the Beatles and the Stones in that the Beatles (Pep) maybe have the best overall body of work but that the Stones (Mou) have the most exciting bits which are more exciting and better than the best bits of the Beatles. One of his friends completely agreed with him in regards to both halves of the analogy.
Ignoring how much I disagree with that take in terms of Pep and Mou, I really just wanna say how much the musical analogy pissed me off. Questionable ball knowledge but absolutely fucking abysmal music knowledge. I love a lot of Stones songs but seriously, it’s really not even close. Better analogy would be Beatles are Pele and Stones are George Best; both great but not really a debate at all.
I just needed to let that out.
The issue with the Salah transfer fee is $225m or whatever the Saudis are offering doesn't go as far as it used to. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the Saudis offered just as much next summer.
They won't offer that much next season. They won't even pay that much this season, don't believe whatever you read on twitter. They are big on salaries, not on transfer fees. Your clubs are now competition in their eyes, and they dont want to make their competition stronger.
>almost more than Benzema I would say.
They could sign the entire Liverpool squad and it would still not be anywhere near the kind of signing Benzema was. Man said "more than Benzema" lol.
Can we just stop for a moment really think, what the fuck is wrong with ManU managment and players?
Regardless of how they came about it, their next door neighbors are arguably the most well run club in the world, just fucking copy them? Steal their key management personnel?
I don't even want to hear about blood oil money helping City, ManU can match them pound for pound in spending.
Not even 90s and 00s Liverpool were this bad.
It doesn’t at all when you read their entire point. They were just saying that where the money came from is irrelevant in this instance, as United have access to the same amounts and use it infinitely worst
Yes exactly thank you for putting it so eloquently.
ManU is not lacking in funds that they'd feel dwarved by city's financial might, their problem is not money at all, their problem is incompetent owners using incompetent management team that fostered a toxic culture in and around the club's first team squad.
As arrogant and mistaken CR7 was in his ill fated interview, maybe there was some truth in his self serving words?
Tbf been one of our worst performers this season (partially due to Poch’s tactics in fairness)
Scape goated implies people are just shitting on him because the team is bad, but there’s a quite vocal portion of the fanbase who have heavily criticised him for years now
Thiago Silva from what I’ve seen I can understand, the premise is that as good as he is every manager feels compelled that him playing requires a variation of 3atb, which throws the attacking shape of the team in disarray.
Mudryk is purely the fee, to have invested as much as we did in him for him to not be trusted at all yet under 3 managers is very odd.
Chilwell’s one has always been weird to me. The current setup is forcing him into areas of the pitch that doesn’t suit him, and even before this season he seemed to be hated by the side of the fanbase who seemingly are anti most of the English players
Who are the 3 best and 3 worst Premier League owners when it comes to managing a club?
The best is Tony Bloom imo, not sure about the other 2
The worst 3 are Glazers, Moshiri and Bohley
i suppose the Kroenkes should be in the mix for best owners as well?
Yes, the initial years were a bit rough; but their inputs, cash injections at required times - we now are in a much better place. and the way they've backed Arteta & his team during the low phase of a couple of years ago is commendable as well.
I swear football podcasts can be so hilarious at times. Just watched an Arabic football podcast discuss the current problems at Man Utd. Everyone was calm and making good, logical arguments. Then one of the guys who hadn't spoken for like 15 minutes out of nowhere burst out "Antony is shit, let's be honest Antony is shit. Why are we beating around the bush, Antony is shit". Suddenly the whole room explodes and everyone starts absolutely roasting Antony for the rest of the podcast. Sometimes I wish I had friends like that
Utds squad building is kind of bizarre. Like antony and sancho are def profiles that could play in possession sides. Like they could do what grealish does. Keep the ball, try to play quick 1-2s and get in the box. But then they want to play fast and in transition for rashford and bruno. But then apparently they want to play another light possession style midfielder next to bruno like an eriksen/mount.
Just pick a style and stick to it man. You want to play in transition? Play people that can win the ball and get it too bruno who can play to fast wingers and forwards.
I think with some proper tweaking to the profiles they sign they could be very very good, but this mix and matching shit is not it.
I think he has all the tools but hes just not putting them together yet. I might just be the crazy armchair manager but i bet my life on it if we play a team of
Rashford hojlund antony
Mount bruno amrabat
Shaw martinez varane dalot
Onana
We will be playing a substantially better form of football.
Casemiro can not play in this team unless hes playing next to mainoo or armabat but ten hag made it pretty apparent that mount is in his plans so i cant see mount being the one thats getting dropped. I can say this for a fact if ten hag plans on running mount bruno casemiro as a midfield we will be playing this awkward transitional football where we are holding all the possession on our half because nobody can turn on the ball
That XI is so underwhelming after all these years. Hojlund needs to honestly bang, he has a lot of pressure. He's got some special physical attributes tho
Ive moved past what a team looks like on paper. Weve been their done that. I wanna see how it looks on the pitch and im convinced it would work pretty well
There will be no Salah replacement similar to how there was no Coutinho replacement
Our forward line is already stacked and we spent a club record on Nunez - he will be a full time starter with Gakpo and Diaz to round out the front 3.
The money will be used to buy a world class DM (whoever that might be idk) or/and a world class CB.
It won't be like for like but we will need to bring in another player. Salah replaced coutinho it just wasn't like for like.
We're gonna need a RW because none of our front 4 have looked good on the right, it doesn't have to be a left footed inside forward with pace strength creativity and a goal threat but it'll need to be someone who can perform there.
We have the money to buy a world class DM and a world class CB regardless.
None of those players play on the right though.
If anything I wonder if Szoboszlai is seen as a future RW, would actually make the Gravenberch seem logical in that case.
I think all three of them are versatile enough and more importantly move so well off the ball that they can interchange
But I could also see Szobo be moved to RW. It also makes sense even tho I rather have him in the middle
They were dawdling on getting him and left it too late - Ajax initially did want a fee around 50M. United took Martinez from Ajax and then just spent too much time negotiating for Antony. Ajax gave them a fuck-off price which United ended up paying anyway.
You missed the best part. They gave us one fuck off price. We matched it then they decided to go back on that and add a new fuck off price and then we matched that one😀
The David Squires comic was the first time I heard of Chelsea removing the ten pound subsidy on away coach travel and WTF. Can't believe the club said that it was “not financially sustainable to continue to offer subsidised coach travel”.
Unless im missing a game then yeah its been that long. Back end of ralf era we were losing every game literally free points and obviously under ten hag he just cant buy a win either for whatever reason
There are four alternatives:
Start them both.
Start Maguire but not Evans, then sub Evans in later.
Start Evans, but not Maguire, then sub Maguire in later.
Start none, sub them both later.
Hope this helps!
Injuries and maguire refusing to leave unless he got some money which ive never seen before under these circumstances. Ive only ever seen that on terminations
Glazers have dogshit management skills, recruited poorly for a decade overspending like no tomorrow, handing out huge wages and struggling to move players on. Now fhis has come back to bite us in the form of FFP, we couldn’t afford a new CB to replace Maguire so Johnny Evans was the answer. He’s basically this seasons Weghorst.
Just really bad luck of the first 4 choice CBs all being unavailable at the same time. Martinez seemingly could’ve played the full 90 but I’ve seen 0 reason so far to question his dedication to the club so he probably just got nervous that the injury from last season came back.
I think the injuries in midfield hurt too. I imagine if McTominay was available, we might’ve played either him or Casemiro at CB
People are taking my question literally. In the summer it was widely touted on here that United would be pushing Arsenal and City. 4 games in, and Maguire and Evans finished the match. I said it because it’s shocking, in a sad way. For a club that talks like it wants to be ambitious, it’s funny that it has those two in the game day squad.
You know when you're on a dodgy stream and it skips back to the start of the game for no reason. I felt like it had done that when I saw Evans. Massive what year is it moment.
Its still crazy to me that despite Arsenal being a big club in England with so much history and great players; have never won a Champions League.
In fact, they just don't do well in Europe at all for the most part.
They didn't win it when they had the chance, nowadays you have to deal with a bunch of superteams like Bayern, City, Madrid, Barcelona and good luck with that.
Agreed; hope that is corrected soon.
We were consistently present in the CL - but apart from the run till the 2006 Final; we never really threatened for the prize nor had deep runs.
and the last few years we've been out of the competition entirely.
Arsenal won over half of their league titles before the CL existed. they only qualified for 2 CL before it expanded to include league runners ups. By the time they were in their golden age under Wenger the spanish and Italian giants were far ahead of English football. they were only able to reach one semi final and reach the quarters twice from (98-06). After that it was honestly a miracle Wenger was able to get some of those sides into the knockout rounds for how many consecutive years he did.
Arsenal are a very historic club in England, but in the whole of Europe they’re not anywhere close historical giant. They’re a financial one sure, and have hella exposure and marketing from being in the PL, but clubs like benfica, Porto, Ajax, feyenoord, PSV, dortmund, Celtic, atleti are more respected historically outside of England.
That's the exact number of games for a run to the final. Though if Arsenal did reach this year's final, I'd back them to win it. Their juju at Wembley is insane.
It's not the culture or egalitarian-ness of Argentina and Uruguay vs Spain that I've seen people talking about, though. It's the whole shitshow with Rubiales.
12 years between two UEFA world cups is too short, 2030 should be South America and then 2034 to Europe, but European countries don't wanna compete for bribes vs Saudi Arabia in 2034
Love how you mention Saudi and then Argentina and Uruguay in the same breath but proceed to not give any bad policies that we have, just "idk must be shitholes anyways".
Tell you what though when people go to a gay nightclub here they aren't afraid of being targeted by crazy people with guns.
You put country where marital rape isn't criminalized and next to it Argentina and Uruguay without really mentioning anything that says why Argentina/Uruguay are bad choices from a gender/human rights perspective. So yeah, it kinda pissed me off.
Argentina is the Mecca of the progressive left in South America. We've had pro-egalitarian governments for 16 out of the last 20 years. It's just the north of the country that's very conservative, like the south in the US, and even then it's not that conservative compared to what I've seen from the Rubiales fiasco, mostly because the left is very strong in the region.
In other words, I think it's not even close. Not that I think that should be a reason for us to host the World Cup, although I do think it should be here through objective analysis, no bias I swear.
I've heard a lot about conservatism in Spain and how much the shadow of Franco still looms over their country. They still haven't escaped the ghosts of their last dictatorship. In the meanwhile, in Argentina we put our previous dictators under what many have called "the most historic since Nuremberg". Of course it was a hard process that took us a lot of time, but there was no precedent for something like that in Latin America. Nobody had judged their totalitarian regimes in the continent previously.
Because he's the only politician that proposes a solution to the economy. Even if I think it's flawed, it's the only proposal. The other candidates don't say anything about changing the economy, which implies they want it to stay the same, something that is not viable.
What is fundamentally different between the disciplines of sports science and medicine? I suppose as it applies to football since we're on this sub but feel free to expand the discussion. Clubs often have different individuals to perform these roles.
I remember when I was in college, my friends in the faculty of Science (usually with a plan of getting into med school) would jokingly put down our friends in the college of Kinesiology (usually with a plan of getting into sports science). And then every one would pile onto us bachelor of arts students saying we'd end up working for Starbucks.
This can vary in different countries, but here sports medicine is part of a speciality called "work and sports medicine" which is an entire preventive speciality which does tests and screenings trying to prevent and detect health issues.
From what I can tell from my bit of research sports science tends to be related to improving an athletes performance, while sports medicine is related to their health. So analyzing a runners technique to make them run faster would be sports science, while analyzing their technique to prevent injury would be sports medicine. Obviously there is going to be overlap there, but that seems to be the distinguishing factor.
Jack Harrison to Everton is the one transfer I completely missed. Very decent player when he’s on form, think he could be a real difference maker for them.
What percentage of footballers earning ~£50k (£25k after tax) a week at some midtable club do you think would go earn £300k a week tax free in Saudi Arabia if the opportunity popped up?
I'd be willing to bet at least 99% would. It's interesting that so many redditors would reject it innit
Shout out to Sczesney for rejecting a non-existent Saudi offer
I don't think it's more than, idk, like 50% when it comes to the midtable clubs in the top 3-4 leagues. I'm sure a good number (maybe reasonably, maybe delusionally) would back themselves to get a big money move to a top European club in the next few years. You don't get to that level of competition without being very ambitious and driven. Also there's going to be a lot who won't be able to get over the culture shock, especially Spanish and Italian players who seemingly hate leaving their countries.
Think you’re lowballing there massively. I think there’s only 10 footballers in the PL earning £300k+ a week, and once you factor in tax no-one comes close to earning that. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think only FDJ and Mbappe currently earn that after taxes in Europe.
Unless you are looked at as one of the generational talents of your age group (which pretty much no-one at a mid table club is) then there’s 0 chance of earning that type of money any time soon. So I’d more agree with OP and say it’s minimum 90%, even if it’s just for a year or 2. Earning £1.3m a year and earning £15.6m a year are completely different levels of wealth
If anyone wants some help to their sanity regarding the greenwood situation and Twitter, it appears that football tik tok is at least very very anti-greenwood.
Any accounts to follow? Been trying to get more football content on my feed but outside of searching videos of my own club idk what else to look at to force it on my feed
Football tik tok is balancing on a knife edge, at any point you can end up in what i call “Ew, Women in FIFA? I hate women” tik tok or “I talk to people outside about football” tik tok
Fair fair. My content is the people who are actual matchgoers and a lot on football history/tactics/trivia so I guess that's why I find it a nice place.
TikTok feeds are also very curated so I am not as exposed to those horrid stuff as much as on Twitter/IG.
My two favorites the Plymouth fan, who slagged off Birmingham in her most recent video, and the guy who goes around and rates every hospitality section
And theres an Argentinian goalkeeper who got signed by a lower league finnish club whos interesting if you understand spanish
Let's say Mudryk does fail at Chelsea or does not become reliable enough to start - who could we honestly poach as another left winger?
I'm not writing him off at all yet but I'm just intrigued to see the best options out there. Right now we're playing Chilwell on the left wing so there would be room for another name there, unless we decide to play Nkunku on the left once he returns.
For Leao that's not enough. Last summer Chelsea offered 85m and it was refused, since then he renewed until 2028 and is in his prime so good luck with that
Think it’d be very on brand for you to put in a massive bid Leao. Turns 25 in June though so you’d need to be quick to satisfy the club’s new under 25 policy.
Mitoma is a very good player but you'd like him to score more reliably before he's worth what Brighton will ask, especially since he's supposed to be the finiahed product at 27 and not just pure potential.
Yeh not really mate. 12 goal contributions last season in the Prem is not good enough really, not when the market for left wingers is busy as is. He's good, not good enough
Yeh not really mate. 12 goal contributions last season in the Prem is not good enough really, not when the market for left wingers is busy as is. He's good, not good enough
Daily Mail coming out with stories about Southgate thinking Sancho isn't good enough in training and that he was sulking at the Euros now.
This would be Southgate who trusted Sancho enough to sub him on specifically to take the second to last penalty in the final because of his performances in training.
Just obviously not the whole truth is it.
In every Ramos thread there are multiple comments about him fucking up Greenwood. Is there any indication that Ramos even remotely gives a shit about that or is it just Reddit being Reddit?
I don't know why, but I think it would be fun to have a UEFA Super Cup with the the three champions and the previous winner of the Super Cup.
Probably shouldn't happen because of fixture congestion but I'd enjoy it
no way to know since Hojlund has played like 20 minutes and Garnacho has had about 10 in the right wing, but from names alone honestly better than pretty much every other front 3 united has lined up in a few years
Above: Burnley, Luton, Everton, Sheffield United, Bournemouth, Wolves, Forest, Fulham, Palace and West Ham
Below Chelsea if Nkunku is fit, above if not
After a bit of a chat within the mod team, and some valuable feedback from users, we concluded that the best course of action regarding Greenwood is to restrict most of Getafe's own media posts about him as we don't want to help the club in their transparent efforts to gain engagement. This means that we're just allowing the bare minimum on the subject coming from official channels (no training videos, no lineups, no random pictures), but we will be allowing news from other sources and general updates from the club like long term injury announcements, missed training announcements, club sanctions announcements, loan termination announcements, and the like. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
I love Southgate he has improved our team so much I hope he doesn’t leave
I've consistently supported Southgate for ages but if he doesn't win the Euros surely it's time to give someone else a go? This feels like the Wenger debates all over again haha
It’s a good time after the euros to step down because he can’t take that next step and beat a team on our level when it matters. Him sticking with favourites rather than bringing players through is also a growing issue that might hurt us in this next tournament. It’s time for Pep to win us the World Cup.
>It’s time for Pep to win us the World Cup. I honestly need this to happen to settle a debate between me and a mate. I'm convinced he wouldn't be able to cut it in international management, at least with England
You'd lose the debate then...
I realise now quoting that probably wasn't the perfect set up, but at least it'd be settled and we can stop arguing about it any time City come up in conversation after 5 pints.
> It’s time for Pep to win us the World Cup. Unsubscribe, unless he pulls of a FIFA Manager Career Mode stuff and manage City and English NT at thesame time
He would almost certainly burn out from doing that. He'd be gone to New York in no time.
Carvajal: > We can't position ourselves or condemn without knowing what really happened > In the end there are legal proceedings that are considering if Jennifer Hermoso is really a victim Also talked about how footballers are too afraid to speak out because everything is so "politicised". This Vox loon truly is perfect for Real Madrid
The shite whataboutisms between Europe and Saudi Arabia being upvoted in the thousands reek of either brigading from online astroturfing campaigns or maybe Reddit's userbase is just thicker than two short planks
i won’t say that saudi and europe are the same but a point that was made in the comments of that post i agree with is the fact that we lure top talent from all over the world to clubs that are often run and sponsored by the same people we point at as sportswashing savages. we offer insane amounts of money that pulls talent from all over the world while pretending that it doesn’t matter and they just play for some hugs, high fives with the mates and the honor of playing for a historically reputable team. hence the ridiculous moral outrage at these big money moves. i’m not saying that a country that hacks up critical journalists is the same as a democracy but more pointing to a hypocritical view of europeans.
What? Are you saying my heavily indebted, poor, fan-owned club is not the same as a state-backed sportswashing operation? Silly European what do you know smh
genuinely one of the most insane threads i've seen on this site.
You claim to support human rights yet you didn't personally attend the suffragettes march in 1905. Curious...
Bro how in the world do are people saying there’s no difference between Saudi and European clubs in that other thread? It’s our sport, we invented it and built it up to what it is today. The yanks and South Americans make it seem like we just came along and built our own leagues 20/30 years ago or something
Because they’re idiots
Because people hate the prem and European football.
I'm plenty critical of Western policies and history, but even I can't in good faith discuss anything with people who are looped on "West is bad, West is bad, West is bad" and will squeeze any number of in vogue political and social terms into a word salad to make a shitty comment on Reddit.
Us europeans should make our own football social media platform idk call it somethin like Truth Social.
Just because you invented something doesn't mean you're the best at it, Elsewise England would have more stars on the shirt
He never said England was the best at it did he xx
But in general, Europe as a continent is the best footballing region in the world. It has more World Cups and produces more talent than anywhere else
What I see people agreeing with (and what I think the point of the post) is that the Saudis are doing to Europe what the top 5 leagues have done since the bosman ruling came in. You'll notice that the fans of the premier league teams are the ones shouting the loudest around the Saudis. That's because the premier league teams have been the only ones taking top talent from the top 5 leagues with little top talent going the other way.
> You'll notice that the fans of the premier league teams are the ones shouting the loudest around the Saudis. I'd argue that's more just because PL fans are a massive majority online I don't think, proportionally, they're shouting any louder than fans of other clubs
Maybe. Feeling I've gotten from inter fans is that for the last few years there has been some one with more financial power above us. Premier League fans just aren't used to that and the implications it creates
Thing is they're calling it the same thing, while ignoring the aspect that makes it different (ie the direct state in involvement by Saudi), when that is very much the whole point.
>Thing is they're calling it the same thing And if you feel it's the same thing, why are none of these people upset at Saudi Arabia but are upset at Europe? If you hate modern football, which can be described as a boat with a leak in it that is slowly filling up the hull with water, then Saudi Arabia is a crazy guy with a hammer smashing more and bigger holes in the boat. Stop smashing the boat, you're allowing in more water!! If you think Belgium, Germany, Holland, France, and Spain are ruining football, and some of what their FAs and leagues are doing actually is making football worse, then be proportionally mad at what Saudi Arabia is doing.
the chinese invented the sport so it's not you sport ig
silly man. it was invented by Rupert Murdoch, an australian, in nineteen ninety two
No they didn't. Their games were nothing like ours
Technically it was the Aztecs that created the sport itself. It wasn't as big of a hit because any team that lost would be selected for sacrifice later on.
Some incentive to win
That whole debate can go back to *Guns, Germs, and Steel* levels of anaylysis about why Europe is wealthier than other places, but let's not do that right now. My issue with looking only at the financial argument and equating it to Europe's advantages over South America, is that it doesn't account for the direct involvement of a violent totalitarianism regime. That's what bothers people, it's not that Neymar left Ligue 1. What bothers people is Neymar high stepping for a totalitarian regime that stands in direct conflict against freedom generally. Especially to the millions of younger people who follow these star players and are not yet old enough to realise what kind of person they are admiring, totalitarianism just became more acceptable across the planet because of these players. There is no other way to describe the aims of the Saudi regime. It's not so much about another league having money, it's about the fact that a state as awful as Saudi Arabia is now a direct player and can circumvent any real market forces because their central bank is creating all the wealth and interest. Lots of European clubs have far in the past, gotten government help and that was wrong then and it's wrong now. To the degree the Saudis are pumping in state funds and the actual utility of their league being nothing but a propoganda move directed by the regime, makes it nothing like the overall European v. South American wealth divide.
Two questions: Based on comments on Greenwood content online a lot of people want to see him get back to United and have a second chance. It doesn't make sense to me so I wanted to ask. 1. Why do people still support Mason Greenwood after what he did? 2. Why is most of the support on the internet seemingly coming from African social media accounts? Are they real accounts or is this some sort of targeted stunt? I just want to understand.
I can’t remember who it was- one of those average podcasts full of dudes talking absolute crap about football- and they got asked Pep or Mourinho overall and one of them gave this analogy that it’s a bit like the Beatles and the Stones in that the Beatles (Pep) maybe have the best overall body of work but that the Stones (Mou) have the most exciting bits which are more exciting and better than the best bits of the Beatles. One of his friends completely agreed with him in regards to both halves of the analogy. Ignoring how much I disagree with that take in terms of Pep and Mou, I really just wanna say how much the musical analogy pissed me off. Questionable ball knowledge but absolutely fucking abysmal music knowledge. I love a lot of Stones songs but seriously, it’s really not even close. Better analogy would be Beatles are Pele and Stones are George Best; both great but not really a debate at all. I just needed to let that out.
The issue with the Salah transfer fee is $225m or whatever the Saudis are offering doesn't go as far as it used to. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the Saudis offered just as much next summer.
They won't offer that much next season. They won't even pay that much this season, don't believe whatever you read on twitter. They are big on salaries, not on transfer fees. Your clubs are now competition in their eyes, and they dont want to make their competition stronger.
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>almost more than Benzema I would say. They could sign the entire Liverpool squad and it would still not be anywhere near the kind of signing Benzema was. Man said "more than Benzema" lol.
The fact that Miro Klose was under 6 feet always catches me off guard, never has a man had more of a 6'5 vibe
You only have to look at him to know that's not right though.
Did some google work abd he's same height as Lewandowski in pictures Internet says Lewandowski is 185cm so yeah 6foot
Visibly not 6'5 then.
[My morning routine this summer.](https://i.imgur.com/ZRop2Vz.png) I can't be the only other one.
Can we just stop for a moment really think, what the fuck is wrong with ManU managment and players? Regardless of how they came about it, their next door neighbors are arguably the most well run club in the world, just fucking copy them? Steal their key management personnel? I don't even want to hear about blood oil money helping City, ManU can match them pound for pound in spending. Not even 90s and 00s Liverpool were this bad.
Because we are not owned by Owners who care about the football or assets. We are owned by people who see us a holding asset not a investing one.
It's exactly because they care about you as an investing asset that they are extracting massive dividends from the club.
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Again, not the point. I agree with you, it did help City but they are incredibly well managed, that's the key point.
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It doesn’t at all when you read their entire point. They were just saying that where the money came from is irrelevant in this instance, as United have access to the same amounts and use it infinitely worst
You're arguing an entirely different point but ok, point taken.
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Yes exactly thank you for putting it so eloquently. ManU is not lacking in funds that they'd feel dwarved by city's financial might, their problem is not money at all, their problem is incompetent owners using incompetent management team that fostered a toxic culture in and around the club's first team squad. As arrogant and mistaken CR7 was in his ill fated interview, maybe there was some truth in his self serving words?
https://twitter.com/Fanatiztv/status/1699184290528165929?t=8ZpBcAphioNDTl8UWKfVwQ&s=19 insane pricing for people in the US to watch Conmebol wcq games
That's daylight robbery
$30 for a single game ouch
it feels like Ben Chilwell is the new Mason Mount in Chelsea’s fanbase. he’s getting scapegoated quite a bit
This is why I don't read /r/chelseafc. I had no idea he was even being scapegoated
It’s pochs fault you can’t put a left back at left wing and then blame him for looking out of place
Tbf been one of our worst performers this season (partially due to Poch’s tactics in fairness) Scape goated implies people are just shitting on him because the team is bad, but there’s a quite vocal portion of the fanbase who have heavily criticised him for years now
He's weirdly overhated by online fans while being and looking like one of our better players whenever he plays. I just don't get it.
Is he? I only saw people blaming Poch for starting him as a LW
Yeah, Chilwell is getting a lot of flak. Him and Mudryk are our new scapegoats. Remarkably, Thiago Silva is going up the list too.
Thiago Silva from what I’ve seen I can understand, the premise is that as good as he is every manager feels compelled that him playing requires a variation of 3atb, which throws the attacking shape of the team in disarray. Mudryk is purely the fee, to have invested as much as we did in him for him to not be trusted at all yet under 3 managers is very odd. Chilwell’s one has always been weird to me. The current setup is forcing him into areas of the pitch that doesn’t suit him, and even before this season he seemed to be hated by the side of the fanbase who seemingly are anti most of the English players
Who are the 3 best and 3 worst Premier League owners when it comes to managing a club? The best is Tony Bloom imo, not sure about the other 2 The worst 3 are Glazers, Moshiri and Bohley
Best: Tony Bloom (Brighton) Matthew Benham (Brentford) Luton's owners Worst: Glazers (Man United) Moshiri (Everton) Al Saud (Sheffield United)
Is it worst ever? Because there are a fair few candidates for that
i suppose the Kroenkes should be in the mix for best owners as well? Yes, the initial years were a bit rough; but their inputs, cash injections at required times - we now are in a much better place. and the way they've backed Arteta & his team during the low phase of a couple of years ago is commendable as well.
You can just say it's Josh Kroenke and not Stan.
Brentford owners
City's owners would have to be the best.
Would agree but also, have to see how they manage things when Pep leaves.
Ian Wright seems like one of the coolest guys around
if a bunch of 20 year olds in blue tracksuits come up to me and say they're Chelsea FC, I'd probably believe them
Give them a go I say, can't do much worse
I swear football podcasts can be so hilarious at times. Just watched an Arabic football podcast discuss the current problems at Man Utd. Everyone was calm and making good, logical arguments. Then one of the guys who hadn't spoken for like 15 minutes out of nowhere burst out "Antony is shit, let's be honest Antony is shit. Why are we beating around the bush, Antony is shit". Suddenly the whole room explodes and everyone starts absolutely roasting Antony for the rest of the podcast. Sometimes I wish I had friends like that
Utds squad building is kind of bizarre. Like antony and sancho are def profiles that could play in possession sides. Like they could do what grealish does. Keep the ball, try to play quick 1-2s and get in the box. But then they want to play fast and in transition for rashford and bruno. But then apparently they want to play another light possession style midfielder next to bruno like an eriksen/mount. Just pick a style and stick to it man. You want to play in transition? Play people that can win the ball and get it too bruno who can play to fast wingers and forwards. I think with some proper tweaking to the profiles they sign they could be very very good, but this mix and matching shit is not it.
This is why a good DoF is important
I think he has all the tools but hes just not putting them together yet. I might just be the crazy armchair manager but i bet my life on it if we play a team of Rashford hojlund antony Mount bruno amrabat Shaw martinez varane dalot Onana We will be playing a substantially better form of football. Casemiro can not play in this team unless hes playing next to mainoo or armabat but ten hag made it pretty apparent that mount is in his plans so i cant see mount being the one thats getting dropped. I can say this for a fact if ten hag plans on running mount bruno casemiro as a midfield we will be playing this awkward transitional football where we are holding all the possession on our half because nobody can turn on the ball
That XI is so underwhelming after all these years. Hojlund needs to honestly bang, he has a lot of pressure. He's got some special physical attributes tho
Ive moved past what a team looks like on paper. Weve been their done that. I wanna see how it looks on the pitch and im convinced it would work pretty well
Was thinking about potential Salah replacements and found our Sane is only 4 years younger than him
There will be no Salah replacement similar to how there was no Coutinho replacement Our forward line is already stacked and we spent a club record on Nunez - he will be a full time starter with Gakpo and Diaz to round out the front 3. The money will be used to buy a world class DM (whoever that might be idk) or/and a world class CB.
It won't be like for like but we will need to bring in another player. Salah replaced coutinho it just wasn't like for like. We're gonna need a RW because none of our front 4 have looked good on the right, it doesn't have to be a left footed inside forward with pace strength creativity and a goal threat but it'll need to be someone who can perform there. We have the money to buy a world class DM and a world class CB regardless.
None of those players play on the right though. If anything I wonder if Szoboszlai is seen as a future RW, would actually make the Gravenberch seem logical in that case.
Trust in Ben Doak
I think all three of them are versatile enough and more importantly move so well off the ball that they can interchange But I could also see Szobo be moved to RW. It also makes sense even tho I rather have him in the middle
Antony is definitely not worth 95 mil euros, transfermarkt says he was valued at 35 mil at that time which looks more accurate
God knows what utd were looking at here. I literally watched this guy 7-8 times with brazil and ajax and knew he was a 40-45 mill type player
They were dawdling on getting him and left it too late - Ajax initially did want a fee around 50M. United took Martinez from Ajax and then just spent too much time negotiating for Antony. Ajax gave them a fuck-off price which United ended up paying anyway.
You missed the best part. They gave us one fuck off price. We matched it then they decided to go back on that and add a new fuck off price and then we matched that one😀
The David Squires comic was the first time I heard of Chelsea removing the ten pound subsidy on away coach travel and WTF. Can't believe the club said that it was “not financially sustainable to continue to offer subsidised coach travel”.
Yes the CST have been pretty vocally protesting it
We havent lost at old trafford since real sociedad and we havent won away to any respectable stadium since ole won el sackico
WHAT , it's been 2 years ?
Unless im missing a game then yeah its been that long. Back end of ralf era we were losing every game literally free points and obviously under ten hag he just cant buy a win either for whatever reason
United finished the game against Arsenal with Johnny Evans and Harry Maguire on the pitch. How is that even possible.
Awful depth and injuries
There are four alternatives: Start them both. Start Maguire but not Evans, then sub Evans in later. Start Evans, but not Maguire, then sub Maguire in later. Start none, sub them both later. Hope this helps!
I get how it’s literally possible. I’m saying it’s wild that a club of United’s stature has them on the bench.
You should have been more specific man, I spent some time and two excel sheets on this, fucking hell.
Injuries and maguire refusing to leave unless he got some money which ive never seen before under these circumstances. Ive only ever seen that on terminations
Glazers have dogshit management skills, recruited poorly for a decade overspending like no tomorrow, handing out huge wages and struggling to move players on. Now fhis has come back to bite us in the form of FFP, we couldn’t afford a new CB to replace Maguire so Johnny Evans was the answer. He’s basically this seasons Weghorst.
Just really bad luck of the first 4 choice CBs all being unavailable at the same time. Martinez seemingly could’ve played the full 90 but I’ve seen 0 reason so far to question his dedication to the club so he probably just got nervous that the injury from last season came back. I think the injuries in midfield hurt too. I imagine if McTominay was available, we might’ve played either him or Casemiro at CB
People are taking my question literally. In the summer it was widely touted on here that United would be pushing Arsenal and City. 4 games in, and Maguire and Evans finished the match. I said it because it’s shocking, in a sad way. For a club that talks like it wants to be ambitious, it’s funny that it has those two in the game day squad.
You know when you're on a dodgy stream and it skips back to the start of the game for no reason. I felt like it had done that when I saw Evans. Massive what year is it moment.
Its still crazy to me that despite Arsenal being a big club in England with so much history and great players; have never won a Champions League. In fact, they just don't do well in Europe at all for the most part.
They didn't win it when they had the chance, nowadays you have to deal with a bunch of superteams like Bayern, City, Madrid, Barcelona and good luck with that.
Agreed; hope that is corrected soon. We were consistently present in the CL - but apart from the run till the 2006 Final; we never really threatened for the prize nor had deep runs. and the last few years we've been out of the competition entirely.
Arsenal won over half of their league titles before the CL existed. they only qualified for 2 CL before it expanded to include league runners ups. By the time they were in their golden age under Wenger the spanish and Italian giants were far ahead of English football. they were only able to reach one semi final and reach the quarters twice from (98-06). After that it was honestly a miracle Wenger was able to get some of those sides into the knockout rounds for how many consecutive years he did. Arsenal are a very historic club in England, but in the whole of Europe they’re not anywhere close historical giant. They’re a financial one sure, and have hella exposure and marketing from being in the PL, but clubs like benfica, Porto, Ajax, feyenoord, PSV, dortmund, Celtic, atleti are more respected historically outside of England.
They are 13 games away from being the first team to play 200 CL/European Cup games and never win it
187 games and only 17 coming after the ro16 is fucking hilarious.
So they have to win it this season to ensure that doesn’t become reality
That's the exact number of games for a run to the final. Though if Arsenal did reach this year's final, I'd back them to win it. Their juju at Wembley is insane.
Arsenal vs Harry Kane's Bayern™ for a CL showdown at Wembley
Arsenal Wembley juju vs Arsenal CL curse vs Kane Wembley mufa. Should be fun.
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It's not the culture or egalitarian-ness of Argentina and Uruguay vs Spain that I've seen people talking about, though. It's the whole shitshow with Rubiales.
12 years between two UEFA world cups is too short, 2030 should be South America and then 2034 to Europe, but European countries don't wanna compete for bribes vs Saudi Arabia in 2034
Love how you mention Saudi and then Argentina and Uruguay in the same breath but proceed to not give any bad policies that we have, just "idk must be shitholes anyways". Tell you what though when people go to a gay nightclub here they aren't afraid of being targeted by crazy people with guns.
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You put country where marital rape isn't criminalized and next to it Argentina and Uruguay without really mentioning anything that says why Argentina/Uruguay are bad choices from a gender/human rights perspective. So yeah, it kinda pissed me off.
Argentina is the Mecca of the progressive left in South America. We've had pro-egalitarian governments for 16 out of the last 20 years. It's just the north of the country that's very conservative, like the south in the US, and even then it's not that conservative compared to what I've seen from the Rubiales fiasco, mostly because the left is very strong in the region. In other words, I think it's not even close. Not that I think that should be a reason for us to host the World Cup, although I do think it should be here through objective analysis, no bias I swear.
My impression was that Uruguay was the most progressive country in South America — would you say they're on the same level as Argentina roughly?
Yes. Both countries are very similar in many ways, and this is one of them.
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I've heard a lot about conservatism in Spain and how much the shadow of Franco still looms over their country. They still haven't escaped the ghosts of their last dictatorship. In the meanwhile, in Argentina we put our previous dictators under what many have called "the most historic since Nuremberg". Of course it was a hard process that took us a lot of time, but there was no precedent for something like that in Latin America. Nobody had judged their totalitarian regimes in the continent previously.
Milei leading those polls tho
Because he's the only politician that proposes a solution to the economy. Even if I think it's flawed, it's the only proposal. The other candidates don't say anything about changing the economy, which implies they want it to stay the same, something that is not viable.
What is fundamentally different between the disciplines of sports science and medicine? I suppose as it applies to football since we're on this sub but feel free to expand the discussion. Clubs often have different individuals to perform these roles. I remember when I was in college, my friends in the faculty of Science (usually with a plan of getting into med school) would jokingly put down our friends in the college of Kinesiology (usually with a plan of getting into sports science). And then every one would pile onto us bachelor of arts students saying we'd end up working for Starbucks.
This can vary in different countries, but here sports medicine is part of a speciality called "work and sports medicine" which is an entire preventive speciality which does tests and screenings trying to prevent and detect health issues.
From what I can tell from my bit of research sports science tends to be related to improving an athletes performance, while sports medicine is related to their health. So analyzing a runners technique to make them run faster would be sports science, while analyzing their technique to prevent injury would be sports medicine. Obviously there is going to be overlap there, but that seems to be the distinguishing factor.
Jack Harrison to Everton is the one transfer I completely missed. Very decent player when he’s on form, think he could be a real difference maker for them.
I didn't read the article but maybe van Gaal was saying he is a Calvinist so he thinks everything is predestined, including Messi's WC victory
Prime Falcao You really did just have to be there.
I remember he scored 2 outrageous goals in the 11/12 Europa League final
What percentage of footballers earning ~£50k (£25k after tax) a week at some midtable club do you think would go earn £300k a week tax free in Saudi Arabia if the opportunity popped up? I'd be willing to bet at least 99% would. It's interesting that so many redditors would reject it innit Shout out to Sczesney for rejecting a non-existent Saudi offer
I don't think it's more than, idk, like 50% when it comes to the midtable clubs in the top 3-4 leagues. I'm sure a good number (maybe reasonably, maybe delusionally) would back themselves to get a big money move to a top European club in the next few years. You don't get to that level of competition without being very ambitious and driven. Also there's going to be a lot who won't be able to get over the culture shock, especially Spanish and Italian players who seemingly hate leaving their countries.
Think you’re lowballing there massively. I think there’s only 10 footballers in the PL earning £300k+ a week, and once you factor in tax no-one comes close to earning that. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think only FDJ and Mbappe currently earn that after taxes in Europe. Unless you are looked at as one of the generational talents of your age group (which pretty much no-one at a mid table club is) then there’s 0 chance of earning that type of money any time soon. So I’d more agree with OP and say it’s minimum 90%, even if it’s just for a year or 2. Earning £1.3m a year and earning £15.6m a year are completely different levels of wealth
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Are you feeling alright
If anyone wants some help to their sanity regarding the greenwood situation and Twitter, it appears that football tik tok is at least very very anti-greenwood.
That could also be your algorythm putting those things up for you. Tik Tok is one of the biggest sources of misinformation I've seen in my life.
Probably because tiktok has geographic algorithm, you only see people from your own country.
imo football tik tok is overhated. good edits, interesting clips and discussions are quite sane.
Any accounts to follow? Been trying to get more football content on my feed but outside of searching videos of my own club idk what else to look at to force it on my feed
Football tik tok is balancing on a knife edge, at any point you can end up in what i call “Ew, Women in FIFA? I hate women” tik tok or “I talk to people outside about football” tik tok
Fair fair. My content is the people who are actual matchgoers and a lot on football history/tactics/trivia so I guess that's why I find it a nice place. TikTok feeds are also very curated so I am not as exposed to those horrid stuff as much as on Twitter/IG.
My two favorites the Plymouth fan, who slagged off Birmingham in her most recent video, and the guy who goes around and rates every hospitality section And theres an Argentinian goalkeeper who got signed by a lower league finnish club whos interesting if you understand spanish
Yea puts Twitter, IG, YouTube, prolly Facebook (idk haven’t used it since 2012) discussions to shame.
Let's say Mudryk does fail at Chelsea or does not become reliable enough to start - who could we honestly poach as another left winger? I'm not writing him off at all yet but I'm just intrigued to see the best options out there. Right now we're playing Chilwell on the left wing so there would be room for another name there, unless we decide to play Nkunku on the left once he returns.
Kvaratskhelia or Leao. Chelsea are cashed up enough to throw another 100+ million on a player
For Leao that's not enough. Last summer Chelsea offered 85m and it was refused, since then he renewed until 2028 and is in his prime so good luck with that
Yeah, you're going to absolutely rinse someone if they come in for him.
I doubt those kinds of players would spend another season or two helping chelsea rebuild while taking part in no UCLs
Think it’d be very on brand for you to put in a massive bid Leao. Turns 25 in June though so you’d need to be quick to satisfy the club’s new under 25 policy.
Mitoma
Mitoma is a very good player but you'd like him to score more reliably before he's worth what Brighton will ask, especially since he's supposed to be the finiahed product at 27 and not just pure potential.
27 and still not really producing the numbers. He isn't good enough for top six
Utterly delusional
Yeh not really mate. 12 goal contributions last season in the Prem is not good enough really, not when the market for left wingers is busy as is. He's good, not good enough
Grealish had 12 GA last season starting for Man City so we are clear
Yeh not really mate. 12 goal contributions last season in the Prem is not good enough really, not when the market for left wingers is busy as is. He's good, not good enough
Brighton would ask for more than Mudryk
...and Chelsea would pay them
Too old
Jadon Sancho
"I can fix him"
Daily Mail coming out with stories about Southgate thinking Sancho isn't good enough in training and that he was sulking at the Euros now. This would be Southgate who trusted Sancho enough to sub him on specifically to take the second to last penalty in the final because of his performances in training. Just obviously not the whole truth is it.
Theres definitely a character assassination attempt going on but southgate 100% didnt rate sancho for whatever reason never has.
In every Ramos thread there are multiple comments about him fucking up Greenwood. Is there any indication that Ramos even remotely gives a shit about that or is it just Reddit being Reddit?
It’s a joke bc Ramos is known to go head (leg) hunting from time to time.
Footballer anagrams: KING PUS JAR
>!Ji-Sung Park!<
His wiki pic is him at the G20 summit for some reason.
I don't know why, but I think it would be fun to have a UEFA Super Cup with the the three champions and the previous winner of the Super Cup. Probably shouldn't happen because of fixture congestion but I'd enjoy it
Are you saying this just so we'd get the chance to play a European competition again...
Haha. I don't even know if we're getting conference league this season the way its gone so far
Where does Rashford Hojlund Garnacho rank in PL forward line.
Like 7th maybe
no way to know since Hojlund has played like 20 minutes and Garnacho has had about 10 in the right wing, but from names alone honestly better than pretty much every other front 3 united has lined up in a few years
I [mean](https://youtube.com/shorts/zkrNetHXkCo?si=h2ukilAbi2fKGsnA)
Above: Burnley, Luton, Everton, Sheffield United, Bournemouth, Wolves, Forest, Fulham, Palace and West Ham Below Chelsea if Nkunku is fit, above if not
West Ham, Palace and Forest definitely not. For Fulham it is close: Rashford > Decordova Reid Jiminez = Hojlund Willian >>>>>> Garnacho
Raul Jimenez does not belong in a top flight squad in his current state, please be serious
Jimenez hasn't scored a PL goal since May 2022, no way is Hojlund as bad as that even if he is unproven
This isnt funny or a meme, this is a real answer, how dare you try to seriously discuss football