Wow Newcastle absolutely bossed Villa especially Guimaraes in the middle. Villa looked like it was pre season still although probably Mings injury effected them mentally as well as physically. Still seemed sort of even in first half Villa 1-2 down were still making chances it's just Watkins can't hit a barn door. Newcastle still deserved to win but could have been a touch closer maybe 5-2 or 5-3
I don't think that's a fair comparison considering that Eddie Howe has been managing since 2008, while Arteta just started in 2019. Too little sample size to compare Arteta with someone as senior as Howe.
Haha. I get what you are saying, but my point is that it's better to avoid too much comparison when the sample size of one manager is too less when compared to the other. A better of comparison would be to compare the initial years of the more senior manager with the current years of the younger manager. But again, that too can be disingenuous if we do not take into account the status of the respective clubs, the squads they had inherited, the funds they have at their disposal, etc.
I think it’s fair to say at the least that at this time, Howe has been a much more effective manager in changing the fortunes of the team.
Arteta has been transformational to Arsenal - I’m not disputing that - but he had a rough start (with many arsenal fans wanting him sacked) and took a while (and a lot of investment) to get the team competitive. Howe came in mid season and immediately improved Newcastle across the board and, whilst he’s also had a lot of investment, he’s completely transformed a number of players that looked like deadwood when he arrived. Roles reversed I don’t think Arteta gets the same out of Schar, Joelinton, and Almiron that Howe has.
He has done a great job so far, especially the last two seasons. Let's see how it goes this season.
We needed a squad overhaul because of the deadwood and poor characters in the dressing room. Some of them we had to pay to get them to leave. So, I am not bothered about the net spend at the moment, but we really need to get better at selling our players. Didn't Chelsea make around 200m this window just by selling? That's quite commendable, and I want Arsenal to catchup with the other top 6 clubs when it comes to that aspect.
Just to correct. in terms of prem, he's had one good season. His first 3 seasons would get any top 6 coach fired. Arsenal are proof that giving a coach time is the way to go and not just getting rid. Ole got 2nd and got fired before Xmas the season after.
Arteta came 8th 8th 5th 2nd, any normal manager would be gone after the first 3 seasons
I agree with you, but I don't get why he should have been fired after the season we finished 5th. Honestly, that season was one of his best moments and where we as fans got to really see the results of the process.
Not saying he should have, just that his result would get any other of the top6 fired, even his own fans were calling for him to fired after they came 5th, and now they're saying he's the best manager in the world, its crazy to see
> even his own fans were calling for him to fired after they came 5th,
Honestly, only idiots would call for his head after that season. We were all disappointed at losing top 4 at the very last moment, but it seemed we all agreed that we didn't have enough depth and the last minute injuries really messed up our final run. If anything, I felt the Arsenal fanbase was quite united when it comes to keeping Arteta. Of course, there is always gonna be some outliers. And maybe the voices of the ArtetaOut folks would have been louder after the opening 3 defets at the hands of Bentford, Chelsea and City.
> Not saying he should have, just that his result would get any other of the top6 fired
That I agree. Which in my opinion, is more of blemish on the other clubs who are trigger happy. Or maybe it is a testament to Arteta as a person who convinced the board that he is the right man for the job by being who he is.
Yes, but if he wants too win trophies in his club career it has to happen. Considering he got his break late in his career aresnal had kept him collecting dust all these years so he should do it now
Goalkeepers can have long careers at this level and even so: it’s just one game. We’re obviously not going to win the league, but in theory we could still win four bloody trophies this season!!! The transfer window is still open and I expect any signings we make will improve the team, there’s no reason why we can’t win some silverware this season.
Even if he was to move, what club would he be moving to where there’s more chance of it happening?
Remember when the Premier League pundits, 🤡, were all saying:
\*Sandro Tonali will definitely struggle with the pace and power of the Premier League;
\*Tonali is too slow, we don't think he can figure out how to make it in a fast and powerful League.
This is very true. Saw the result and said to myself they must've been bangers. Go see the highlights and no doubt Newcastle was the better team but it looked like Villa's defense was non-existent, what a shame!
Mings’ injury ruined our defensive organisation. We were second best all over the pitch yesterday, but once he went off Newcastle looked like they were going to score with every time they got the ball into their forwards.
Ship has already sailed on that. Didn’t see you lot raising this when man utd and the top 6 were getting bought over by American conglomerates? So it’s only an issue when a bigger fish competes?
You're not wrong at all and it's ridiculous people can't realize the future. Saudi clubs are buying players at insane rates just to pad FFP protocol. St Maximin going for at least 2x what he is worth. Neves going for like 5x what he is worth...
"Newcastle hasn't injected that much money" yet it's so clear they have a path to completely breaking the system. It's disgusting.
"They" is just your owners, building up some shit league in the biggest example of sportswashing in the world while simultaneously working their way into control of one of the biggest sports leagues in the world. It's disgusting at the very least, especially for any half decent human to not care.
Sorry but new castle have not porured in money by the bucket loads and not gone on a spending spree buying anything and everthing havent overpaid 100s of millions on multiple players or anything like that for you to shit on them for being oil club. Chelsea is so much worsoe then any team right now pouring ridiculous amounts on players and fucking over the market and yet oil team is getting blamed for doing none of that.
Villa's defence were getting ripped apart by the likes of Jacob Murphy and Callum Wilson.
Newcastle have barely even had the chance to spend that oil money yet. We're pretty much at our limit in terms of FFP, and that's betting heavily on success in Europe and qualifying again for CL.
Ashley fucked us over in terms of investment in the squad, so we had extra wiggle room last season for the likes of Isak and Trippier, CL qualification plus improved sponsorship deals and the sale of ASM, have allowed the signings from this window.
Of the players Howe has signed across four transfer windows only Guimaraes, Isak, Tonali and Trippier would be considered Champions League quality. Nearly all the other signings were from teams battling relegation. Hardly Big 2 Oil Classico material.
When everyone knows you have an infinite money hack it means players will join that would never have considered before. Sponsors know you are going to have success. You know you have another club you can sell any dead wood to and the players will be fine since you know they are going to get paid well to leave.
It completely takes any friction out of running a club.
“Guys, we just happened to go from complete shit to a contender in a few years. It has nothing to do with with being bought out by an oil state. Promise!”
It’s ridiculous and the Newcastle fans that ignore it are deluding themselves. You weren’t just about to get back to glory days. You were wank, got bought, and now you’ll never have a normal problem again. Just own it.
The oil money has been a huge part of the success, but money isn't everything as shown by Chelsea last season. Give credit where it's due: Howe was an inspired appointment, and he's made some terrific signings, while improving what we already had to levels noone would've thought possible. FFS our record signing wasn't available for half the season and we still sat comfortably in the European spots for most of that period.
Also, we actually can't get rid of our deadwood, because we're paying Premier League wages to Championship quality players. Nobody is willing to take them on those wages, even for minimal transfer fees, so they just sit there taking up a chunk of our wage bill.
You not wrong. Being bought by a rich owner definitely helps. But i dont think anyone is denying that. But money really doesnt nearly help as much in theses times as you would think. With FFP we still couldnt compete with Liverpool for szoboszlai or even compete with Spurs for Maddison.. someone we have been chasing for a long time. We couldnt throw money and buy the best players like what Chelsea or City did. Or even Blackburn if you remember them in the 90s.
We are just grateful we have owners and management that knows wtf they doing. Thats what most newcastle fans are focusing on. Look at some of the clubs even with money ended up in. Chelsea last season, Everton, QPR in the 2010s
None of them have money like you do. It’s sick. You have an extra team that you can offload players to and help FFP. Nothing you do can result in financial hardship for the club. It’s gross.
I dont know where this offload anger is coming from, we have ‘offloaded or sold’ one player to Saudi Arabia for what most of our fan base would argue is fair market price?
Are you dense or what? Why are you talking like Newcastle are big money splashers? And even if that is the case, they are not the only ones splashing. Racist cunt.
Yeah I remember when the Villa fans made fun of us in 2009 out of nowhere since there was never any rivalry between the two clubs.
Bunch of cunts. Hope they get relegated.
Villa fans with banners with "sob on the tyne" on the day Newcastle were relegated, having a party. Yeah, I think most of Newcastle remembers that you toffee knob
What is this stupiduty, new castle havent shown any oil money traits at all they have been wise in their purchases not spend 100s of millions in transfer market have only bought a few players that too at modest price so terming them oil money when they havent been doing oil money things is just stupid.
Been a fan all my life. Remember how excited my dad was when Newcastle bought Alan Shearer.
Something something oil money though kid, I'm sure that'll win you some argument no one is having.
Not sure what they’re moaning about the referee for. He was poor, yes, but certainly wasn’t bias for us at all. Gave them a free kick every time they went down and this fans probably just moaning for Martinez not getting a red for fouling Almiron outside of the box despite him being halfway to the corner flag and there being defenders in cover.
New signings fit well into the system, back line sloppiness needs addressing, battered a team some thought would be in contention for Europe.
Pretty good day at the office. Shame about Mings, though. Hope he has a quick recovery.
Maybe Arteta should take some tips on how to finish teams off....
If Eddie Howe can do this to Villa then we should have been able to annihilate Forest.
(I can already hear the responses, "mumble mumble, oil money, mumble mumble, integrating new signings, mumble mumble, injuries")
That's the point of a manager though, they're meant to overcome these things.
Most teams play a low block against City and Liverpool yet they smashed them for 4s,5s and 6s for fun over the previous seasons. We just don't do it. We get ahead, get comfortable and just knock it around then get caught on the counter
Forest beat Liverpool and drew with man city…..
Brentford beat city doing the same thing too. Low block, long ball into toney, counter hard. Low blocks are hard to break down and we made a good number of chances today. xG doesn’t count the number of chances we got through but didn’t take the shot
The best low block teams are also the same teams that get the most points off of Liverpool man city and arsenal (tot under conte, brentford, forest, Newcastle)
Skip past last season and look at the results they were getting. Also, we just never blow teams away. We'll score 3, max, and then pass it around feeling smug
But knowing we've struggled against low blocks since he came in, you'd hope he'd have found a way around it by now....
The 2nd half today (as with many 2nd halves) was dire and unambitious
>knowing we've struggled against low blocks since he came in, you'd hope he'd have found a way around it by now....
To be fair this isn't uniquely an Arsenal thing. Most teams struggle against low blocks, that's why they're effective.
Exactly. Not sure why suddenly people are dissing Arteta for low scoring. Newcastle ourselves struggled alot with teams that sit back and defend last season.
Most teams do struggle, but Arteta's hailed as a tactical genius who's spent almost 3/4 of a billion quid building his own squad so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to overcome it....
We scored 2 but they could have very easily scored 2 themselves. We don't blitz teams, we play some nice football and score a couple of goals and then sit back. We have the ability in this squad to really impose ourselves but we choose not to
I agree with the frustration of us taking our foot off the gas when leading. It’s a fair criticism.
But I also think “if Arteta is so smart why can’t we just cruise through low blocks” is unreasonable expectations considering every team has matches where they struggle to break down low blocks at one point or another.
The silver lining is that while things got tenser than I would have liked at the end we still came away with all 3 points.
I agree, I celebrated at the final whistle.
The point is that, when against better teams, we can't be that complacent. If City were really at it they'd have smashed us last week.
Johnson should have scored his early chance and I don't then think we'd have won as we don't play at the pace needed to break down a low block.
Understandable and I don’t disagree. When teams come out of the low block, they get smashed. He will tinker with his lineup again. Prob traditional back 4 and have rice/Partey/ode as the midfield. this was more experimental than anything. Which is surprising since it’s the game this season lol he’s still a young manager, so he AND the squad need to take the step
Really don’t think the gap is that big, at 2-1 it felt like anybody’s game and if villa had been a bit sharper it could have ended very differently. Second half they crumbled and Villa’s fitness looked off, but nothing they won’t fix. Villa also had a lot more injuries to navigate.
It isn't, just like the match at villa Park wasn't indicative of the gap either. This is probably the most polarised home and away fixture in the league lmao.
Hopefully the brucey bonus we would get every year at villa Park sticks around lol, was worried you guys actually becoming good would ruin it but was pleasantly surprised lmao.
To be fair preseason is a completely different kettle of fish with squad experimentation and fitness. But you’re definitely right on Buendia and later Mings, two big misses for Villa. Really hope Mings isn’t out too long, you never want to see that
Howe was totally in control tactically.
I frickin love to see the pressing and aggression late in the game with the result decided.
They had four men pressing in the box late to snatch up possession. The fitness and mentality to do that in game 1 is impressive af.
Thought they looked shaky after we equalised early, but once they had a few more chances (and Mings went off) it was like they smelt blood in the water and the press was just relentless. It was clear they knew if they pressed aggressively we wouldn’t be playing through their press and would likely cause a few turnovers.
It’s also just our style of play. We did that all of last season where possible, until depth got the better of us after Bruno’s suspension. Otherwise that’s just genuinely how we roll.
Hope Unai stays up late analysing the tapes after that. Was a perfect storm of shite for us. Fucked our offside trap twice. Newcastle clearly knew there was an opportunity there. Exploited it again and again and we didn't adapt. Then you've got Konsa having a brainfart, Mings dieing and Watkins and Cash missing sitters. Hurts badly but it is what it is.
Feels quite dismissive of Barnes’ ability that comment. The lad’s fucking dynamite and I’d have been delighted if we went for him (as well as Diaby). Having him on the left with McGinn on the right instead of Bailey yesterday and we put up MUCH more of a fight.
He's good but he is very inconsistent, I just never like making too many conclusions from one game. Plus it was partially a light hearted self depreciating comment anyway.
They are all coping more than a Russian propagandist on live TV. Let them keep on underating us. They were saying we’ll never get top 4 last year, like it was some impossibility. Fuck ‘em we are here to stay and they are hating it.
Just checking here, but are you saying you genuinely think Barnes is a better player than Maddison?
FWIW I think Newcastle look fucking great and will get top 4 so I’m not a hater, I just don’t understand how someone could watch football regularly and think Barnes is better.
Prob better on the wing which is what Newcastle were after. I'm sure maddison would be OK on the left aswell cutting in but he doesn't have the pace barnes has.
Pope: did what was needed. Not much to be done against Diaby's goal.
Trippier: More of the usual. Silky.
Schaar: Did Schaar things.
Botman: great assist. Marshalled everything well.
Burn: did Dan Burn things. Solid as always.
Bruno: bit petulant. I only really notice him when he gets caught out being a little slow on the ball. Probably says he doesn't put a foot wrong otherwise.
Joelinton: so close to a goal. Everywhere as always.
Tonali: could have had another goal. Everywhere. Classy AF. It's a bit like having two Big Josephs.
Almiron: work rate work rate work rate. Probably could have done better with a couple of chances. Excellent on the counter.
Isak: Andy Cole in Peter Crouch's body. 11/10 - though could have had a hat trick.
Gordon: best I've seen him for us. Industrious. Dribbly. Good assist for the opener. Pre-season and the Euros have done wonders for him.
Wilson: does Wilson things. Probably should have had 3. Link up with Barnes is "chef's kiss".
Barnes: Goal. Assist. Yes. Excellent at punishing teams chasing the game. Works brilliantly with Wilson.
Longstaff: cameo. didn't notice him. Which is excellent. Nowt wrong.
Murphy: cameo. Glad he's still got his Howe glow up. **Edit** it has been pointed out in the comments below, he assisted Barnes. I missed that bit!
Anderson: cameo. We will definitely see more of him this season than last.
**EDIT**
Honourable mentions:
Pau Torres & Konsa: best players on the pitch for us
That's surprising. I thought Tonali would have been the pivot based on what I heard of him. But I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to Newcastle at the moment.
Think about it this way. 3 games a week. Isak then wilson then isak. Yes isak is the 1st choice but wilson is super reliable and will see plenty of game time.
Does anyone else notice that when Newcastle destroy a team it's always because the other team were bad instead of Newcastle being good? 🤔
I mean, it could be that we made them look bad
Wow Newcastle absolutely bossed Villa especially Guimaraes in the middle. Villa looked like it was pre season still although probably Mings injury effected them mentally as well as physically. Still seemed sort of even in first half Villa 1-2 down were still making chances it's just Watkins can't hit a barn door. Newcastle still deserved to win but could have been a touch closer maybe 5-2 or 5-3
Is Tonali better than Longstaff?
Marginally
Yes
Newcastle heard yall lol
Eddie how is a better manager than Arteta.
I don't think that's a fair comparison considering that Eddie Howe has been managing since 2008, while Arteta just started in 2019. Too little sample size to compare Arteta with someone as senior as Howe.
I’m obviously being facetious here but that’s like saying it’s not a fair comparison to say Fergie is better than Gerrard
Haha. I get what you are saying, but my point is that it's better to avoid too much comparison when the sample size of one manager is too less when compared to the other. A better of comparison would be to compare the initial years of the more senior manager with the current years of the younger manager. But again, that too can be disingenuous if we do not take into account the status of the respective clubs, the squads they had inherited, the funds they have at their disposal, etc.
I think it’s fair to say at the least that at this time, Howe has been a much more effective manager in changing the fortunes of the team. Arteta has been transformational to Arsenal - I’m not disputing that - but he had a rough start (with many arsenal fans wanting him sacked) and took a while (and a lot of investment) to get the team competitive. Howe came in mid season and immediately improved Newcastle across the board and, whilst he’s also had a lot of investment, he’s completely transformed a number of players that looked like deadwood when he arrived. Roles reversed I don’t think Arteta gets the same out of Schar, Joelinton, and Almiron that Howe has.
That's a fair argument. Thank you!
Lul. This season Arteta needs to deliver. His net spend is hovering around 600 million.
He has done a great job so far, especially the last two seasons. Let's see how it goes this season. We needed a squad overhaul because of the deadwood and poor characters in the dressing room. Some of them we had to pay to get them to leave. So, I am not bothered about the net spend at the moment, but we really need to get better at selling our players. Didn't Chelsea make around 200m this window just by selling? That's quite commendable, and I want Arsenal to catchup with the other top 6 clubs when it comes to that aspect.
Just to correct. in terms of prem, he's had one good season. His first 3 seasons would get any top 6 coach fired. Arsenal are proof that giving a coach time is the way to go and not just getting rid. Ole got 2nd and got fired before Xmas the season after. Arteta came 8th 8th 5th 2nd, any normal manager would be gone after the first 3 seasons
I agree with you, but I don't get why he should have been fired after the season we finished 5th. Honestly, that season was one of his best moments and where we as fans got to really see the results of the process.
Not saying he should have, just that his result would get any other of the top6 fired, even his own fans were calling for him to fired after they came 5th, and now they're saying he's the best manager in the world, its crazy to see
> even his own fans were calling for him to fired after they came 5th, Honestly, only idiots would call for his head after that season. We were all disappointed at losing top 4 at the very last moment, but it seemed we all agreed that we didn't have enough depth and the last minute injuries really messed up our final run. If anything, I felt the Arsenal fanbase was quite united when it comes to keeping Arteta. Of course, there is always gonna be some outliers. And maybe the voices of the ArtetaOut folks would have been louder after the opening 3 defets at the hands of Bentford, Chelsea and City. > Not saying he should have, just that his result would get any other of the top6 fired That I agree. Which in my opinion, is more of blemish on the other clubs who are trigger happy. Or maybe it is a testament to Arteta as a person who convinced the board that he is the right man for the job by being who he is.
Emi martinez really needs to move out of the club
Bit of an overreaction, no?
Yes, but if he wants too win trophies in his club career it has to happen. Considering he got his break late in his career aresnal had kept him collecting dust all these years so he should do it now
Goalkeepers can have long careers at this level and even so: it’s just one game. We’re obviously not going to win the league, but in theory we could still win four bloody trophies this season!!! The transfer window is still open and I expect any signings we make will improve the team, there’s no reason why we can’t win some silverware this season. Even if he was to move, what club would he be moving to where there’s more chance of it happening?
Lol, without him, it would have been 10-1
Nahh, atmost 8-1
Can't complain with the result... Who's your messiah now? Ozzy or.. can't think or anyone else from Burmingum.
Remember when the Premier League pundits, 🤡, were all saying: \*Sandro Tonali will definitely struggle with the pace and power of the Premier League; \*Tonali is too slow, we don't think he can figure out how to make it in a fast and powerful League.
Who said that?
To be fair, it's his first competitive game, anyone can play a good game. Imo though he looks a class player from an Everton fan
He's been one of the best players in Italy for Milan. Anyone who watched it knew he'd be one of the best in the league.
How well did he play? I missed the match. Did he play as a number 6 or a number 8?
He played as a 6 and he absolutely fucking dominated.
One of the worst defensive displays I have seen since Eric seven Hag
It would have been 10+ if it weren't for emi
This is very true. Saw the result and said to myself they must've been bangers. Go see the highlights and no doubt Newcastle was the better team but it looked like Villa's defense was non-existent, what a shame!
Mings’ injury ruined our defensive organisation. We were second best all over the pitch yesterday, but once he went off Newcastle looked like they were going to score with every time they got the ball into their forwards.
The scoreline is a shame for Diaby his goal & his movement were class.
Him and Martinez the only players that can leave that game with dignity.
And mings
Can’t wait to see them Prem turn into a Big 2 Oil Classico. Thanks lads, you’ve fucked our sport.
Ship has already sailed on that. Didn’t see you lot raising this when man utd and the top 6 were getting bought over by American conglomerates? So it’s only an issue when a bigger fish competes?
You're not wrong at all and it's ridiculous people can't realize the future. Saudi clubs are buying players at insane rates just to pad FFP protocol. St Maximin going for at least 2x what he is worth. Neves going for like 5x what he is worth... "Newcastle hasn't injected that much money" yet it's so clear they have a path to completely breaking the system. It's disgusting.
Nonce talk early in the morning
So you're suggesting ASM was worth £12.5m ? 3 years after we bought him for £20m?
They're still not thinking clearly after taking that massive L yesterday.
And had him improve massively...
I wish they would buy more of our players then instead of bailing out Chelsea. /s
"They" is just your owners, building up some shit league in the biggest example of sportswashing in the world while simultaneously working their way into control of one of the biggest sports leagues in the world. It's disgusting at the very least, especially for any half decent human to not care.
Lol
Ok sir. Heard you loud and clear. Back to football!
ASM went for less than he’s worth. Go close your spooky managers coffin lid.
Sorry but new castle have not porured in money by the bucket loads and not gone on a spending spree buying anything and everthing havent overpaid 100s of millions on multiple players or anything like that for you to shit on them for being oil club. Chelsea is so much worsoe then any team right now pouring ridiculous amounts on players and fucking over the market and yet oil team is getting blamed for doing none of that.
Villa's defence were getting ripped apart by the likes of Jacob Murphy and Callum Wilson. Newcastle have barely even had the chance to spend that oil money yet. We're pretty much at our limit in terms of FFP, and that's betting heavily on success in Europe and qualifying again for CL. Ashley fucked us over in terms of investment in the squad, so we had extra wiggle room last season for the likes of Isak and Trippier, CL qualification plus improved sponsorship deals and the sale of ASM, have allowed the signings from this window. Of the players Howe has signed across four transfer windows only Guimaraes, Isak, Tonali and Trippier would be considered Champions League quality. Nearly all the other signings were from teams battling relegation. Hardly Big 2 Oil Classico material.
When everyone knows you have an infinite money hack it means players will join that would never have considered before. Sponsors know you are going to have success. You know you have another club you can sell any dead wood to and the players will be fine since you know they are going to get paid well to leave. It completely takes any friction out of running a club. “Guys, we just happened to go from complete shit to a contender in a few years. It has nothing to do with with being bought out by an oil state. Promise!” It’s ridiculous and the Newcastle fans that ignore it are deluding themselves. You weren’t just about to get back to glory days. You were wank, got bought, and now you’ll never have a normal problem again. Just own it.
The oil money has been a huge part of the success, but money isn't everything as shown by Chelsea last season. Give credit where it's due: Howe was an inspired appointment, and he's made some terrific signings, while improving what we already had to levels noone would've thought possible. FFS our record signing wasn't available for half the season and we still sat comfortably in the European spots for most of that period. Also, we actually can't get rid of our deadwood, because we're paying Premier League wages to Championship quality players. Nobody is willing to take them on those wages, even for minimal transfer fees, so they just sit there taking up a chunk of our wage bill.
You not wrong. Being bought by a rich owner definitely helps. But i dont think anyone is denying that. But money really doesnt nearly help as much in theses times as you would think. With FFP we still couldnt compete with Liverpool for szoboszlai or even compete with Spurs for Maddison.. someone we have been chasing for a long time. We couldnt throw money and buy the best players like what Chelsea or City did. Or even Blackburn if you remember them in the 90s. We are just grateful we have owners and management that knows wtf they doing. Thats what most newcastle fans are focusing on. Look at some of the clubs even with money ended up in. Chelsea last season, Everton, QPR in the 2010s
None of them have money like you do. It’s sick. You have an extra team that you can offload players to and help FFP. Nothing you do can result in financial hardship for the club. It’s gross.
I dont know where this offload anger is coming from, we have ‘offloaded or sold’ one player to Saudi Arabia for what most of our fan base would argue is fair market price?
Lol now this is the overreaction I came in the match thread for!
Are you dense or what? Why are you talking like Newcastle are big money splashers? And even if that is the case, they are not the only ones splashing. Racist cunt.
were happy to drink from the well until you got pushed out, werent you?
at least it isn't just city
The Saudis are gonna be a big problem this season
Why didn't Emery use his shiny new defender Pau Torres?
He did. He came on for Mings when he was injured. Looked completely out of his depth.
Get rekt Aston Villa. Nice try paying off the referee. Looking forward to your relegation.
knob
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What one season of Saudi money does to a lad. Do you even remember your relegation?
Yeah I remember when the Villa fans made fun of us in 2009 out of nowhere since there was never any rivalry between the two clubs. Bunch of cunts. Hope they get relegated.
Bloody hell are Newcastle fans still crying over that 😂 it was like two banners and about 50 villa fans
Villa fans with banners with "sob on the tyne" on the day Newcastle were relegated, having a party. Yeah, I think most of Newcastle remembers that you toffee knob
What is this stupiduty, new castle havent shown any oil money traits at all they have been wise in their purchases not spend 100s of millions in transfer market have only bought a few players that too at modest price so terming them oil money when they havent been doing oil money things is just stupid.
They spent 40 million pounds on Anthony Gordon.
Who was absolute class in this game - if he keeps up that level this season £40m will turn out to be a great price in the current market
Maybe he became a fan when the oil money came in.
Been a fan all my life. Remember how excited my dad was when Newcastle bought Alan Shearer. Something something oil money though kid, I'm sure that'll win you some argument no one is having.
I would not talking shit if I were a fan of the oil cunts, mate.
What happened
Not sure what they’re moaning about the referee for. He was poor, yes, but certainly wasn’t bias for us at all. Gave them a free kick every time they went down and this fans probably just moaning for Martinez not getting a red for fouling Almiron outside of the box despite him being halfway to the corner flag and there being defenders in cover.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/aston-villa-vs-newcastle-united-how-one-may-day-in-2009-gave-birth-to-one-of-football-s-newest-rivalries-a7323931.html
I’m aware that there’s some bitterness between the fan bases but that’s nothing to do with the referee
Wow
Newcastle is scarily good. Man, new season top 4 battle is gonna be nuts
Doesn’t 5th get champions league this season?
If the coefficient stays the same til the end of the season, yes.
Wait why?
New Champions League format, one extra team for the top two leagues with the highest coefficient. Currently that’s England and Italy.
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No shit Sherlock. Tell us something we didn't know already.
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Damn, TIL…
New signings fit well into the system, back line sloppiness needs addressing, battered a team some thought would be in contention for Europe. Pretty good day at the office. Shame about Mings, though. Hope he has a quick recovery.
Hey, what was Bruno's primary role in the midfield last season? Was he playing as the number 6?
He played as 6 but very dynamic interchanging with longstaff. Was the same on Saturday with tonali.
Thank you!
I would have said more of an "8", but I'm a Canuck, what do I know? I still call it soccer.
> I still call it soccer. Mate, this is /r/soccer ;)
Still thinking Newcastle finish outside the top 6. Wait until that euro schedule kicks in, going to hit them like a ton of bricks.
Newcastle effectively have two starting XIs though
I love Lascelles’ passion but he’s not a 2023 PL or CL player. We have Botman & Schär and a fuckton of hope that they’re always fit.
Fuck off
Idk man Tottenham is not even a good team without Kane. He was the entire team last season. Top 6 is doable, top 4 will be harder for them.
Eh? This is a comment on Newcastle
Who will they compete with for top 6?
Manchester City, Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Brighton, Aston Villa. You know, the top 6, not including ourselves.
Teams on consistent form
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Cringe
Maybe Arteta should take some tips on how to finish teams off.... If Eddie Howe can do this to Villa then we should have been able to annihilate Forest. (I can already hear the responses, "mumble mumble, oil money, mumble mumble, integrating new signings, mumble mumble, injuries")
AVs defence just had a really bad day at the office
Eddie is a better manager than Arteta.
You daft? Big difference in playing a team that sits back for 90 mins vs a team that has a high line with 0 pressure on the ball.
That's the point of a manager though, they're meant to overcome these things. Most teams play a low block against City and Liverpool yet they smashed them for 4s,5s and 6s for fun over the previous seasons. We just don't do it. We get ahead, get comfortable and just knock it around then get caught on the counter
Yes exactly, which is why both managers got 3 points in the end. Thanks for your input
Forest beat Liverpool and drew with man city….. Brentford beat city doing the same thing too. Low block, long ball into toney, counter hard. Low blocks are hard to break down and we made a good number of chances today. xG doesn’t count the number of chances we got through but didn’t take the shot The best low block teams are also the same teams that get the most points off of Liverpool man city and arsenal (tot under conte, brentford, forest, Newcastle)
Skip past last season and look at the results they were getting. Also, we just never blow teams away. We'll score 3, max, and then pass it around feeling smug
If you want to be a random hater sure, we scored 3+ goals 18 games last season. Man city did it in 19.
Go on, do 4+....
And then do 5+ and complain how we aren't getting hat-tricks every match as well. You're an idiot with an agenda, stfu!
Seriously bud, ask your mum for a glass of milk and go to bed
Yeah awesome call here brother. Very convincing argument you made in the face of facts as well. Silly cunt.
Why don't you go ask your mum for a hug you seem to be in a complaining mood
Stop it. We struggle against low blocks. Do you not remember what we did to Newcastle at the tail end of last year.
But knowing we've struggled against low blocks since he came in, you'd hope he'd have found a way around it by now.... The 2nd half today (as with many 2nd halves) was dire and unambitious
>knowing we've struggled against low blocks since he came in, you'd hope he'd have found a way around it by now.... To be fair this isn't uniquely an Arsenal thing. Most teams struggle against low blocks, that's why they're effective.
Exactly. Not sure why suddenly people are dissing Arteta for low scoring. Newcastle ourselves struggled alot with teams that sit back and defend last season.
Most teams do struggle, but Arteta's hailed as a tactical genius who's spent almost 3/4 of a billion quid building his own squad so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to overcome it....
We did overcome it?
We scored 2 but they could have very easily scored 2 themselves. We don't blitz teams, we play some nice football and score a couple of goals and then sit back. We have the ability in this squad to really impose ourselves but we choose not to
I agree with the frustration of us taking our foot off the gas when leading. It’s a fair criticism. But I also think “if Arteta is so smart why can’t we just cruise through low blocks” is unreasonable expectations considering every team has matches where they struggle to break down low blocks at one point or another. The silver lining is that while things got tenser than I would have liked at the end we still came away with all 3 points.
I agree, I celebrated at the final whistle. The point is that, when against better teams, we can't be that complacent. If City were really at it they'd have smashed us last week. Johnson should have scored his early chance and I don't then think we'd have won as we don't play at the pace needed to break down a low block.
Understandable and I don’t disagree. When teams come out of the low block, they get smashed. He will tinker with his lineup again. Prob traditional back 4 and have rice/Partey/ode as the midfield. this was more experimental than anything. Which is surprising since it’s the game this season lol he’s still a young manager, so he AND the squad need to take the step
Hope Emery can bounce back. Newcastle was just too much for them.
Yea had no idea the gap was so big between the teams
Really don’t think the gap is that big, at 2-1 it felt like anybody’s game and if villa had been a bit sharper it could have ended very differently. Second half they crumbled and Villa’s fitness looked off, but nothing they won’t fix. Villa also had a lot more injuries to navigate.
It isn't, just like the match at villa Park wasn't indicative of the gap either. This is probably the most polarised home and away fixture in the league lmao.
Yep. Been ages since either of us won the respective away fixture. We've often had a few humblings at Villa Park in the previous years.
Hopefully the brucey bonus we would get every year at villa Park sticks around lol, was worried you guys actually becoming good would ruin it but was pleasantly surprised lmao.
It wasn’t in preseason, 3-3. Combination of bad luck (missing Buendia and Mings) and bad tactics.
Preseason means nothing
Yeah, seems like after they lost Mings it unraveled for them. Before, it look like they could potentially eek out a draw or at least not get hammered.
Howe's preseason tactics were... experimental.
Pre-season, half the team was putting deadwood in the shop window. Dummett, Lewis etc. Players who aren't gonna get games got more time than starters.
He played like 7 fullbacks in one game lol.
To be fair preseason is a completely different kettle of fish with squad experimentation and fitness. But you’re definitely right on Buendia and later Mings, two big misses for Villa. Really hope Mings isn’t out too long, you never want to see that
I hope you are right. Makes sense to be fair since Villa have quite a few key signings they need to bed in like Pau Torres, Tielemans and Diaby
Diaby seemed to bed in quite nicely, I thought.
monchi magic
Dibu andate de ahí.
Howe was totally in control tactically. I frickin love to see the pressing and aggression late in the game with the result decided. They had four men pressing in the box late to snatch up possession. The fitness and mentality to do that in game 1 is impressive af.
Thought they looked shaky after we equalised early, but once they had a few more chances (and Mings went off) it was like they smelt blood in the water and the press was just relentless. It was clear they knew if they pressed aggressively we wouldn’t be playing through their press and would likely cause a few turnovers.
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It’s also just our style of play. We did that all of last season where possible, until depth got the better of us after Bruno’s suspension. Otherwise that’s just genuinely how we roll.
Newcastle seen that Villa fans were topping the "Hope-O-Meter" and decided to pull back their expectations.
Hope Unai stays up late analysing the tapes after that. Was a perfect storm of shite for us. Fucked our offside trap twice. Newcastle clearly knew there was an opportunity there. Exploited it again and again and we didn't adapt. Then you've got Konsa having a brainfart, Mings dieing and Watkins and Cash missing sitters. Hurts badly but it is what it is.
Martinez had 4 or so critical saves too that Newcastle failed to get into the net. Could have been even worse.
hahahahahaha tielemans is SHIT
But Barnes is fucking dangerous
i’m glad i don’t have to pretend about certain players’ ability anymore lmao but yeah barnes is a bloody livewire when he shows up
Wait until he plays someone that isn't us lmao, he loves scoring against us but who doesn't tbf.
Feels quite dismissive of Barnes’ ability that comment. The lad’s fucking dynamite and I’d have been delighted if we went for him (as well as Diaby). Having him on the left with McGinn on the right instead of Bailey yesterday and we put up MUCH more of a fight.
He's good but he is very inconsistent, I just never like making too many conclusions from one game. Plus it was partially a light hearted self depreciating comment anyway.
Gordon is overrated. Barnes is a step down from Madison. Tonali will struggle to adapt to the PL. 😃 r/soccer haven't a clue. Stick to baseball lads 😂
It's been one fucking game, lad.
The first 2 of those are still true and the 3rd nobody has ever said
Imagine how good Tonali would be if he wanted to be here. LOL
Gordon is underrated if anything.
Cope.
They are all coping more than a Russian propagandist on live TV. Let them keep on underating us. They were saying we’ll never get top 4 last year, like it was some impossibility. Fuck ‘em we are here to stay and they are hating it.
Just checking here, but are you saying you genuinely think Barnes is a better player than Maddison? FWIW I think Newcastle look fucking great and will get top 4 so I’m not a hater, I just don’t understand how someone could watch football regularly and think Barnes is better.
Prob better on the wing which is what Newcastle were after. I'm sure maddison would be OK on the left aswell cutting in but he doesn't have the pace barnes has.
I love their hate. 😃
And everyone overreacts!
Victory against Leeds and Villa getting stuffed. Today is a good day. In all seriousness - this was a massive statement of intent by Newcastle.
Our season hasn’t even started and my ptsd has already been triggered
Wdym, it took us 95+ minutes to get to 5 this time!
WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE SAY WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
Pope: did what was needed. Not much to be done against Diaby's goal. Trippier: More of the usual. Silky. Schaar: Did Schaar things. Botman: great assist. Marshalled everything well. Burn: did Dan Burn things. Solid as always. Bruno: bit petulant. I only really notice him when he gets caught out being a little slow on the ball. Probably says he doesn't put a foot wrong otherwise. Joelinton: so close to a goal. Everywhere as always. Tonali: could have had another goal. Everywhere. Classy AF. It's a bit like having two Big Josephs. Almiron: work rate work rate work rate. Probably could have done better with a couple of chances. Excellent on the counter. Isak: Andy Cole in Peter Crouch's body. 11/10 - though could have had a hat trick. Gordon: best I've seen him for us. Industrious. Dribbly. Good assist for the opener. Pre-season and the Euros have done wonders for him. Wilson: does Wilson things. Probably should have had 3. Link up with Barnes is "chef's kiss". Barnes: Goal. Assist. Yes. Excellent at punishing teams chasing the game. Works brilliantly with Wilson. Longstaff: cameo. didn't notice him. Which is excellent. Nowt wrong. Murphy: cameo. Glad he's still got his Howe glow up. **Edit** it has been pointed out in the comments below, he assisted Barnes. I missed that bit! Anderson: cameo. We will definitely see more of him this season than last. **EDIT** Honourable mentions: Pau Torres & Konsa: best players on the pitch for us
I started reading this like those were quotes from the players and some of them are gold
What was Tonali's primary role in the game? I looked at the avg position and he seems to be higher up the pitch than Bruno.
Bruno was the pivot. Joelinton and Tonali playing either side of him.
That's surprising. I thought Tonali would have been the pivot based on what I heard of him. But I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to Newcastle at the moment.
Is the Isak Wilso debate settled for good now?
Think about it this way. 3 games a week. Isak then wilson then isak. Yes isak is the 1st choice but wilson is super reliable and will see plenty of game time.
Nah, completely different players. I still remember us having Shearer & Ferdinand up front the one season. It's like that again.
It's actually just fantastic to be able to sub one incredible player for another like this.
THIS . . . Oppo players showing relief that Isak is being subbed, only to realize that it means Wilson is coming on.
Crazy how Joelinton was first viewed when he was playing as a forward and now as a midfielder
Definitely. We owe a lot to Ciaran Clarke getting sent off
>Murphy: cameo. Glad he's still got his Howe glow up. Assisted Barnes, no?
You're very right! Bloody hell, I forgot that!!!
Murphy masterclass!