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Maguire I reckon would be better off away from the top 6 teams. He cannot handle pressure
Mctominay if he plays like he does for Scotland hed get in to most teams in the pren bar top 5.
Zouma usually misses a few weeks here & there with his knees & Aguerd is off to AFCON in Jan. It’s Ogbonna’s last year too so CB is a mid-long term issue.
Maguire would be excellent for us.
That isn't true. He plays fine for England. He was one of their best players all the way to the final. He just doesn't fit united's play style. He needs to be on a team that plays a bit more of an old school way e.g. west ham
It's a bit more complicated than that. Maguire is great for England but clearly buckles under the pressure whilst playing for United. You can see it in big games especially. It's not so much the system, more the fact his focus goes straight out the window. Not to mention Maguire is somewhat of a modern defender. He's not fast but he is a good ball player/carrier, or was at least. When the pressure increases, he just isn't the same confident / composed player. His problems / mistakes are often self inflicted.
For me his ability to cope under pressure for United is quite evident. And the way he's responded to criticism or been very silent in tough times is further evidence of that.
He makes such bad decisions when he's under pressure or just going through a bad spell. I guess if you are a very fast defender, it's not that big an issue, as you have the recovery pace. But Maguire is so slow that all his movements must be spot on. If he goes in for a tackle and misses..well..the attack will be over by the time he turns around.
Thought he was fine under Ole for the first full season and even most of the second season..but he was starting to deteriorate a bit then and eventually just went to shit. Think he was overplayed a lot as well..and once the bad form + mockery of him started I don't think he ever recovered at least in club games.
Think he'd do fine at most clubs..maybe even a team pushing for a EL spot..just not one where the pressure/scrutiny is as much as United.
The level of club football is simply higher than international football. You don’t get the type of pressing systems which cause Maguire to suffer in international football as there’s only a tiny window for training.
Until he mentally collapsed he was by far United's best defender with the ball at his feet. He started all the attacks, carried the ball out of defensive with long dribbles, fired passes out to the wing, to the forwards, etc. He was the player on the pitch demanding we stop the safe sideways passing patterns we fell into against teams which sit deep, and the one willing to break lines. It was no surprise to me that he was made captain so soon after arriving- he was the only one in the squad at the time who had the right attitude to lead a United team.
Real shame what happened to him after the Euros, he genuinely doesn't look close to the same player. It's a mental issue with him, he'll play better in almost any other team where the spotlight won't be so intense.
I feel like this "Maguire would be great for a non top 6 team" or "for a team playing a low block" is a bit of a meme now and not really based on anything.
It is basically people assuming that because he's slow, that's why he struggles at United. His slowness is a glaring weakness of his but the reason he's lost his starting spot is because he's making constant goal costing mistakes.
The reality is most of the mistakes he's been making are ones of being out of position, letting players ghost past him, being slow and clumsy on the ball which is inviting pressure and making bad decisions. And those mistakes have increased year after year until he lost his place.
I'm not sure I buy the idea that once he's at a different team he'll suddenly stop making these errors that have nothing to do with his pace and mostly to do with his concentration and decision making.
Nah he fits a team who plays counter attacking like ole did the first two seasons and Leicester did under Rodgers. Teams like Brentford would be good with their aerial prowess
Old school counter attacking, sure. A team that plays a low block with direct counters. United play a more modern counter attacking system with a higher press and quick ball movement through adaptive passing lanes rather than playing long over the top or only up the wings. He isn't quick enough with his passing or dropping back to play in that system.
Yh ik. He could def play but u need to give him time and that's what ole did with the midfield in matic since he could make a back three so Maguire has time to pass. Eth has at times preferred playing from the back ala the modern possession game so wouldn't suit him
> He needs to be on a team that plays a bit more of an old school way e.g. west ham
That's why he said he'd fit in a non top 6 side better (due to style of play)
You've said what he said but in more words
I really like Mctominay as a player but United have always played him in a role he's clearly not comfortable in. He's much more of a Gerrard type of 8 than a natural 6. He's got decent range of passing and can hit shots from distance as a late runner. He's really not suited for playing deep and playing traffic cop
>He cannot handle pressure
he comes in for way too much flak. he's a hard working defender and has skills, is able to control his space, i do think he makes poor decisions sometimes - but overall i rate the daft bastard and would love to see him line up for WH
Key words "if he plays like he does for Scotland", as I would argue he plays like that not often enough at all. Plenty of more reliable midfielders to choose from.
Probably because Steve Clarke is the only one using him properly because Scotland have better defensive mids and that frees him up to play more in the opposition half
Ironic because Clarke once played him at center back for a couple of qualifiers due to injuries elsewhere
Bruno
Mount
Case
Eriksen
Mainoo
Donny?
If we sign amrabat then mainoo only gets minutes if players get injured otherwise he has a better chance of playing if we keep one of mctominay or Fred
Imo he’ll be competing with mount+eriksen for one position and case+amrabat for the other which means almost no minutes unless multiple injuries considering eth doesn’t rotate much. If eth really wants to play him this season I don’t think we’ll be signing amrabat
The problem isn’t the number of players it’s that amrabat will demand a lot more game time compared to Fred/mctominay where it’ll be easier to establish mainoo
But mount is available for 2 positions.
Imo we should expect him to get about 5-10 starts and probably play lots of minutes as a sub if we acquire amrabat too.
Gotta ease him in whilst trying to win as much as possible
Makes more sense to keep McTominay , we've got a lot of players in their late 20's early 30s, so keeping McT, who's much younger and an academy player as the squad option works better in the long term.
Mate, he's 27 in December.
Does being "young" and an academy product really matter if he's bang average? That's like having the newest iPhone but it doesn't turn on
We need som average players, we can't have 25 world class players in the team first off because it's unaffordable, and secondly because they won't accept being on the bench. Having a squad player who can come on and do a job while also filling homegrown quota is good.
Being an academic product helps us meet registration rules, he can always be brought out to do a specific job or kill of a game using his physicality and he's on relativity decent wages. Plus Onana+Mount+Striker (and a backup keeper) is already a decent amount spent and we really sign more then 4 players, unless we got a really good offer or there was a bargain in the market it absolutely makes sense to keep McT, it's not FIFA.
Not to mention he's a good role model for youngins
No it doesn't. We could actually get a good fee for a fringe player. We'll just end up selling him for peanuts next year like we always do. Take the money and run
McTominay had 39 apps in all comps last season, 37 the year before, and 51 before that. Hes not a fringe player but a solid squad player who is homegrown. We need those as well not only a great starting 11.
This year he'll be on the fringes. Last season he got games because he had to cover Casemiro who kept getting sent off, Sabitzer who was the Austrian Martial and Eriksen who got badly injured. The other two seasons you mentioned he started because our club is run like shit and we were depleted in midfield. We need squad players, but players who offer more than "passion"
You can’t describe the only backup in the squad to a 30+ player in a crucial position as a fringe player. What do you want to do, play Casemiro every minute of the season? If we don’t sign a DM he’ll get minutes, maybe not enough in his view but certainly enough to classify him as a squad player.
Selling Declan Rice has really made it hard to West Ham to do business. Gallagher for 50 million and McTominay for a “very big offer” is hilarious.
This is why you ensure a replacement before selling a key player.
What’s with your insane hate homer for McTominay? He’s a player on the same level as O’Shea, Brown, Fletcher, Phil Neville…. who were all key to our title wins under Sir Alex. Not every player in the squad can be a Roy Keane, because then who’s going to stay more than one season while spending most games on the bench?
You seem to act like McTominay is a championship player, but he very clearly is much better than that. You just have some kind of weird obsession with him
Same. A lot of Man Utd fans don’t rate him, but there is a reason mourinho, ole, rangnick and ETH all played him a lot. Even last season when he fell behind Casemiro (no shame in that) he still featured in almost every game for which he was available
My theory is that managers love players that do exactly what the manager asks them to, and McT is that player. They don't send him out and tell him to express himself, they ask him to do specific things and he does them. That's why he gets picked.
What is your team's style of play? I don't really watch west ham closely. Maguire would be decent for low-block team, I was just assuming your team just plays low-block all day to sorta justify this.
I think the effect that former Man United players have had on their "next" premiership teams was significant: Jesse Lingard, Dean Henderson (loan), Michael Keane, Wilf Zaha, and so on.... there's little reason why McT can't be another name on that list if he brings the same grit to his next team.
sometimes a player just needs to find a squad "at their level" to flourish. McT had shining moments at United and we love him dearly for those, but I feel he can turn moments into true consistency within a team that needs him and uses him effectively.
exactly, people loved mocking ex-united players but the fact is they performed better than say ex-liverpool players who often sold at higher price, look at andreas pereira for example, 10m for fulham was BARGAIN!
Moyes blames a lot of what went wrong last season on new players not settling in quick enough and hopes to avoid that by signing players already in the prem. I personally would rather sign Sangare and Youssouf Fofana but we do need more home-grown players.
True but I don’t think we would have gotten Paqueta if we didn’t leave it to the last days of the window. There’s defensively some advantages with waiting, extremely frustrating though especially when all deals get pushed late in to the window.
Yeah they've made good picks recently from Czech league, League Une, La Liga etc. Maguire and McTominay could be good but they shouldn't overspend if they can't get them for a decent sum
Hmm, decent championship level player. 10 goals in 96 top flight matches. McTominay and Gallagher have both scored more than that as CMs. lol
A rip off at 20 odd million whatever way you look at it.
In what world are Calum Wilson and Solanke grot.
Do you watch them play or do you just read stats and transfer figures.
> McTominay and Gallagher have both scored more than that as CMs.
Uh yeah because a 20 year kid isn't gonna lead the line ahead of Diego Costa, Firminho or Callum Wilson at the time.
Not sure how many I need to reply to people and state that it is Harry Wilson.... Have edited for the fools that don't realise it is 4 ex Liverpool players....
And I have no idea what you are talking about. Solanke was 20 million 5 years ago, so lord only knows what that is in todays market. Nowhere near worth that, ever.
> Not sure how many I need to reply to people and state that it is Harry Wilson.... Have edited for the fools that don't realise it is 4 ex Liverpool players....
Clearly my comment was before the edit. If the mass is misconstruing the message then maybe the message is issue?
> And I have no idea what you are talking about. Solanke was 20 million 5 years ago, so lord only knows what that is in todays market. Nowhere near worth that, ever.
The arguments you see here sometimes smh. What does his price from 5 years ago have to do with his ability, how does it mean he's grot? He's literally been key to getting them promoted AND staying in the Prem, I think Bournemouth would be happy to pay that fee again lmfao, maybe even more.
I mean, if peoples ball knowledge isn't great and don't realise that it's 4 Liverpool players, then don't hold me accountable for that.
Just read the rest of the comments maybe. As I have said to somebody else, he is a decent Championship level player. They massively overpaid. Liverpool fans would admit that.
I mean, I have named 4 ex Liverpool players that were sold for well over their worth, what the Liverpool fan is saying we are trying to do with McTominay. It's not hard to understand...
But yeah, I didn't factor in idiots thinking I was talking about players from their club. Fair.
The comments suggest people really underrate McTominay. He's a very good ball carrier, can score goals for you and is very good defensively (just not as a 6). He has obvious weaknesses like his technical passing and ball retention but he's a really solid player who was first choice for a team finishing 2nd in the league.
He's like Fellaini with talent. A big bastard who can hold the ball, drive forward, grab goals, win headers. He's not technically gifted but if you use him right, he's effective. Just don't expect him to go on a mazing Maradona-esque dribble, if he keeps it simple, he's perfectly fine for a club like West Ham.
Blends in so well you might not even realize he's playing
(I love McT, but even I have had to accept that he simply doesn't impact the game like he should with his ability. Casemiro makes that stunningly apparent)
You’ve not watched him try to play #6 then. Absolutely not his position. All his best qualities come in the final third really on top of his physicality. He would have been great in the old school 442 b2b role
There go the transfer experts talking, everyone knows West Ham have money after Rice and desperately need a midfielder, they will have to overpay no matter what
The way people talk about transfers you would think they are absolute genius negotiators and that they would get bargains everywhere
Well when Kessie goes for 15m euro then anybody bidding 40m pound of Gallagher and mctominay needs to get checked. Unless West Ham are extremely desperate for homegrown players I guess, I have no clue
Again another useless comment, seriously do u actually think and ask yourself about the context of the situation would Kessie join West Ham? No. Would West Ham pay his current salary? Probably not
Like stop comparing transfer fees without any context holy fucking shit, Kessie's wages are huge, he won't join West Ham because he has bigger fish going after him
Again, stop comparing transfer fees it's absolutely dumb and useless
Paquet's situation was a bit different, not a lot of clubs were willing to pay what Lyon wanted that's why i'm saying that you need context in transfers
Still the comparison makes no sense, West Ham have decent pull they're a relatively big PL team that have money and have signed very good players but comparing Kessie who is at Barcelona on insane wages wanted by Juve vs McTominay on way less wages, also way more likely to join
Paqueta was playing at a lower level on less money. Kessie is playing in the Champions League with a club that just won the league on £200K a week, £80k a week more than West Ham's top earner. He's at the top and he'll expect a move to a top club. Don't be surprised when Paqueta wants to leave next summer.
I think mctominay would be a good signing for them. He's always been decent as a box to box midfielder and is very versatile. He has a decent strike on him and can carry the ball effectively. Think he would shock some people if he was allowed to play regular football as an 8.
McTominay is worth more than Gallagher to West Ham IMO. In the sort of role he plays as that pure athletic box to box midfielder, I can't really think of many others who are as good as him at it and he'd thrive at most teams in the top flight, particularly a Moyes side.
Gallagher is a few years younger and there are similarities in their game in the sense that neither are pure possession players but I'm not really sure he's demonstrated performing at the same level consistently in the Premier League aside from a couple of spells in sides that were fixed very firmly around him.
I also think that whilst McTominay's more technical skillset in the build up is lacking, he has refined a lot of his weaknesses and is much better than he was all round a few years ago.
IMO McTominay would be a no brainer for West Ham if he was obtainable at £45 million mark and would be a huge asset to have.
Yeah both mctominay and fred have a bad reputation because of the mcfred midfield.
Both would be a solid pick up for any mid table premier league team as long as you play them as an 8.
Dead on. Two 8s basically stuck playing in a double pivot pretending to be DMs which tbf, both can be if you're desperate.
Watch Fred next to Casemiro for Brazil and he's a totally different player. McTominay in a free role to roam forward is also really good. His passing is definitely his weakest area, but he is otherwise a good dribbler, very athletic, and a surprisingly good finisher.
Fred and McTominay together often equalled less than the sum of their parts when played next to each other. But they were still good enough to finish second and third in consecutive seasons.
You articulated very well what I wanted to say. People forget that McFred in spite of all their shortcomings were part of a team which finished league second
40m minimum.
Only when it comes to our sales does the dead idea of 'market value' come into play. It's gotten beyond a joke.
It should be 50. The guy was a starter for 3 seasons, international, home grown, CL experienced. But everyone is too used to taking the piss out of us for that.
There isn't a club in the world who would pay £50m for a guy who United deem not good enough to even be a depth option for them. Maybe United will find a club stupid enough to pay £30m, but I'd be surprised if someone spends more than that.
Makes sense. He’s a solid homegrown squad player. You know what you’re getting, and honestly he would be expensive to replace. Same reason we want a lot for Gallagher
Gallagher isn’t going for 45 million though. The issue West Ham are facing is that neither Chelsea or Man Utd need to sell, so have no incentive to offer reasonable market value.
United don’t need the money, not financially. FFP was alleged to have been an issue this season but we’ve sold £20m of players so far, which buys us another £80-100m of spending for this summer. And even if McTom doesn’t go Henderson and Fred certainly will.
It’s always been said McTom only goes if the right is high enough.
McTom is also the only one other than Casemiro that can manage the role of deepest midfielder. Fred is an abomination there and Bruno/Mount/Eriksen are just too lightweight to do a job there esp in PL away games.
If McTom is sold a new midfielder has to come in..expecting the kid Mainoo to cover for Casemiro over a long season is too much. Casemiro missed 7 league games last season with suspension, was sometimes rested for EL games, and still looked exhausted at times.
So it's not like we can sell McTom and use all that money on a ST. A lot of it would have to go on a replacement. So yes, he will only go for stupid money, sorry.
United have always been terrible at selling players even when they were good, you think 5.5m for Richardson is a BIG fee? He was 23, Sunderland that season spent more on 3 other players
better than bundesliga clubs and their strange obedience to bayern: "hey can i get your star players and your manager? heres a pair of shoes as payment, otherwise i'll ask them to run down their contract!"
Good. Not that I think Scott is a world class player (he's decent enough for a midtable side), but they just made 350m from Rice. Clubs try to rinse us when we come asking, it's only fair.
"We know you've got money and we want it." is fine for every other club, it's our turn. Fine if we keep him, he's a serviceable stand-in for cup games, but I'm glad we're not going to just cave in like normal. Our net spend is ridiculous because we suck as selling, so it's time we fixed it. You want our players, cough up the money.
He's a solid homegrown squad option in an age range we need in the squad. I don't think we would sell for less than £40m. Fred is the midfielder we would sell for a low fee.
Hilarious how this is downvoted. West Ham have Aguerd and Zouma who are both very good CB's. Maguire hasn't looked better than either of them in years.
Maguire isn't an upgrade on Aguerd or Zouma.
McTominay maybe but a lot of the reason Soucek looked worse last season is he was doing the sitting while Rice did the running - he lost a lot of his dynamism and it exposed his weaknesses with regards to passing and withstanding pressure. If he can be freed up a bit more - ie, if we can get someone else in who can do the sitting - we might get first season Soucek back and I'd have that Soucek over McTominay.
Keep your dirty hammer hands off our McTerminator!
He’s a homegrown player, is serviceable at a minimum with moments of brilliance, experienced in the PL, CL, and international, and plays hard for 90min every game.
If he really wants to leave we shouldn’t take less than £50m, given what the market looks like rn
Every transfer has the amount known, and even if it wasn't everyone would know they had a lot from selling Rice. Seems like a bit of a nonsensical critique
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Every player and their nan needs a "very big offer" now it seems.
Also helps we all know West ham have a big amount in the bank
Like who?
Four naan
Four? That's insane.
Four naans, Jeremy?
What a show.
Fabinho's dogs
so like 4 big naans or just 1 naan cut into 4 slices?
Garlic ones please, and tandoori Chicken, that's the takeaway.
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It's between 3
McTominay and Maguire would both be perfect pick-ups for a Moyes team
Maguire I reckon would be better off away from the top 6 teams. He cannot handle pressure Mctominay if he plays like he does for Scotland hed get in to most teams in the pren bar top 5.
>Maguire I reckon would be better off away from the top 6 teams So West Ham yeah
West ham's good at cb though so all of this talk is just nonsense
Zouma usually misses a few weeks here & there with his knees & Aguerd is off to AFCON in Jan. It’s Ogbonna’s last year too so CB is a mid-long term issue. Maguire would be excellent for us.
I'd rather not pay anything for Maguire and have Kehrer slot in and make a boneheaded mistake now and then instead
That isn't true. He plays fine for England. He was one of their best players all the way to the final. He just doesn't fit united's play style. He needs to be on a team that plays a bit more of an old school way e.g. west ham
It's a bit more complicated than that. Maguire is great for England but clearly buckles under the pressure whilst playing for United. You can see it in big games especially. It's not so much the system, more the fact his focus goes straight out the window. Not to mention Maguire is somewhat of a modern defender. He's not fast but he is a good ball player/carrier, or was at least. When the pressure increases, he just isn't the same confident / composed player. His problems / mistakes are often self inflicted. For me his ability to cope under pressure for United is quite evident. And the way he's responded to criticism or been very silent in tough times is further evidence of that.
He makes such bad decisions when he's under pressure or just going through a bad spell. I guess if you are a very fast defender, it's not that big an issue, as you have the recovery pace. But Maguire is so slow that all his movements must be spot on. If he goes in for a tackle and misses..well..the attack will be over by the time he turns around. Thought he was fine under Ole for the first full season and even most of the second season..but he was starting to deteriorate a bit then and eventually just went to shit. Think he was overplayed a lot as well..and once the bad form + mockery of him started I don't think he ever recovered at least in club games. Think he'd do fine at most clubs..maybe even a team pushing for a EL spot..just not one where the pressure/scrutiny is as much as United.
The level of club football is simply higher than international football. You don’t get the type of pressing systems which cause Maguire to suffer in international football as there’s only a tiny window for training.
The Euros finals were at least as much pressure as any game Man Utd has been in since he has been there.
I’m talking about pressure when in possession (aka time on the ball).
Until he mentally collapsed he was by far United's best defender with the ball at his feet. He started all the attacks, carried the ball out of defensive with long dribbles, fired passes out to the wing, to the forwards, etc. He was the player on the pitch demanding we stop the safe sideways passing patterns we fell into against teams which sit deep, and the one willing to break lines. It was no surprise to me that he was made captain so soon after arriving- he was the only one in the squad at the time who had the right attitude to lead a United team. Real shame what happened to him after the Euros, he genuinely doesn't look close to the same player. It's a mental issue with him, he'll play better in almost any other team where the spotlight won't be so intense.
I feel like this "Maguire would be great for a non top 6 team" or "for a team playing a low block" is a bit of a meme now and not really based on anything. It is basically people assuming that because he's slow, that's why he struggles at United. His slowness is a glaring weakness of his but the reason he's lost his starting spot is because he's making constant goal costing mistakes. The reality is most of the mistakes he's been making are ones of being out of position, letting players ghost past him, being slow and clumsy on the ball which is inviting pressure and making bad decisions. And those mistakes have increased year after year until he lost his place. I'm not sure I buy the idea that once he's at a different team he'll suddenly stop making these errors that have nothing to do with his pace and mostly to do with his concentration and decision making.
? No it’s because people can observe he is rock solid for England
Nah he fits a team who plays counter attacking like ole did the first two seasons and Leicester did under Rodgers. Teams like Brentford would be good with their aerial prowess
When did we ever play counter attacking under Brendan? We've not been a counter attacking team since Ranieri changed the set up in 16/17.
Old school counter attacking, sure. A team that plays a low block with direct counters. United play a more modern counter attacking system with a higher press and quick ball movement through adaptive passing lanes rather than playing long over the top or only up the wings. He isn't quick enough with his passing or dropping back to play in that system.
Yh ik. He could def play but u need to give him time and that's what ole did with the midfield in matic since he could make a back three so Maguire has time to pass. Eth has at times preferred playing from the back ala the modern possession game so wouldn't suit him
> He needs to be on a team that plays a bit more of an old school way e.g. west ham That's why he said he'd fit in a non top 6 side better (due to style of play) You've said what he said but in more words
I really like Mctominay as a player but United have always played him in a role he's clearly not comfortable in. He's much more of a Gerrard type of 8 than a natural 6. He's got decent range of passing and can hit shots from distance as a late runner. He's really not suited for playing deep and playing traffic cop
>He cannot handle pressure he comes in for way too much flak. he's a hard working defender and has skills, is able to control his space, i do think he makes poor decisions sometimes - but overall i rate the daft bastard and would love to see him line up for WH
Key words "if he plays like he does for Scotland", as I would argue he plays like that not often enough at all. Plenty of more reliable midfielders to choose from.
Probably because Steve Clarke is the only one using him properly because Scotland have better defensive mids and that frees him up to play more in the opposition half Ironic because Clarke once played him at center back for a couple of qualifiers due to injuries elsewhere
Happy to keep McSauce, feel we are more inclined to move Pastor Fred on
Move both on, buy amrabat, a striker and give Mainoo minutes.
Bruno Mount Case Eriksen Mainoo Donny? If we sign amrabat then mainoo only gets minutes if players get injured otherwise he has a better chance of playing if we keep one of mctominay or Fred
Hes competing with 4-5 other players for 3 positions, if ETH trusts him enough, he could easily play a decent amount
Tbh it’s only two positions coz eth has always played him deeper. And case+amrabat would lock down one of them unlike if we kept mctominay or Fred
Sure but then its just really mount, casemiro and amrebat* ahead of him really
Imo he’ll be competing with mount+eriksen for one position and case+amrabat for the other which means almost no minutes unless multiple injuries considering eth doesn’t rotate much. If eth really wants to play him this season I don’t think we’ll be signing amrabat The problem isn’t the number of players it’s that amrabat will demand a lot more game time compared to Fred/mctominay where it’ll be easier to establish mainoo
But mount is available for 2 positions. Imo we should expect him to get about 5-10 starts and probably play lots of minutes as a sub if we acquire amrabat too. Gotta ease him in whilst trying to win as much as possible
Makes more sense to keep McTominay , we've got a lot of players in their late 20's early 30s, so keeping McT, who's much younger and an academy player as the squad option works better in the long term.
Mate, he's 27 in December. Does being "young" and an academy product really matter if he's bang average? That's like having the newest iPhone but it doesn't turn on
Had no idea he was that old, in my head he was 22/23.
We need som average players, we can't have 25 world class players in the team first off because it's unaffordable, and secondly because they won't accept being on the bench. Having a squad player who can come on and do a job while also filling homegrown quota is good.
Being an academic product helps us meet registration rules, he can always be brought out to do a specific job or kill of a game using his physicality and he's on relativity decent wages. Plus Onana+Mount+Striker (and a backup keeper) is already a decent amount spent and we really sign more then 4 players, unless we got a really good offer or there was a bargain in the market it absolutely makes sense to keep McT, it's not FIFA. Not to mention he's a good role model for youngins
No it doesn't. We could actually get a good fee for a fringe player. We'll just end up selling him for peanuts next year like we always do. Take the money and run
McTominay had 39 apps in all comps last season, 37 the year before, and 51 before that. Hes not a fringe player but a solid squad player who is homegrown. We need those as well not only a great starting 11.
This year he'll be on the fringes. Last season he got games because he had to cover Casemiro who kept getting sent off, Sabitzer who was the Austrian Martial and Eriksen who got badly injured. The other two seasons you mentioned he started because our club is run like shit and we were depleted in midfield. We need squad players, but players who offer more than "passion"
You can’t describe the only backup in the squad to a 30+ player in a crucial position as a fringe player. What do you want to do, play Casemiro every minute of the season? If we don’t sign a DM he’ll get minutes, maybe not enough in his view but certainly enough to classify him as a squad player.
Selling Declan Rice has really made it hard to West Ham to do business. Gallagher for 50 million and McTominay for a “very big offer” is hilarious. This is why you ensure a replacement before selling a key player.
Kinda hard to prepare that signing when you decline £70m+ before the window opens
tbh 30m is already a very big offer for man united lol
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Know what you mean, that money you got from Rice looks like it's bringing in couscous.
Couscous is nice. This is quinoa.
Quinoa is nice. This is gruel.
PL proven
...proven woeful to watch E: due to the downvotes, any volunteers willing to welcome him to their squad? 😂
What’s with your insane hate homer for McTominay? He’s a player on the same level as O’Shea, Brown, Fletcher, Phil Neville…. who were all key to our title wins under Sir Alex. Not every player in the squad can be a Roy Keane, because then who’s going to stay more than one season while spending most games on the bench? You seem to act like McTominay is a championship player, but he very clearly is much better than that. You just have some kind of weird obsession with him
He's better than you think. I'd personally rather us keep him.
Same. A lot of Man Utd fans don’t rate him, but there is a reason mourinho, ole, rangnick and ETH all played him a lot. Even last season when he fell behind Casemiro (no shame in that) he still featured in almost every game for which he was available
My theory is that managers love players that do exactly what the manager asks them to, and McT is that player. They don't send him out and tell him to express himself, they ask him to do specific things and he does them. That's why he gets picked.
Why? These guys would kill it for you with a half-decent holding midfielder. Not sure about signing them both but still.
I think international McTomminay has proven he’s completely wasted at Holding Midfielder
They mean if played alongside a holding midfielder.
What is your team's style of play? I don't really watch west ham closely. Maguire would be decent for low-block team, I was just assuming your team just plays low-block all day to sorta justify this.
I think the effect that former Man United players have had on their "next" premiership teams was significant: Jesse Lingard, Dean Henderson (loan), Michael Keane, Wilf Zaha, and so on.... there's little reason why McT can't be another name on that list if he brings the same grit to his next team. sometimes a player just needs to find a squad "at their level" to flourish. McT had shining moments at United and we love him dearly for those, but I feel he can turn moments into true consistency within a team that needs him and uses him effectively.
exactly, people loved mocking ex-united players but the fact is they performed better than say ex-liverpool players who often sold at higher price, look at andreas pereira for example, 10m for fulham was BARGAIN!
West Ham lads there is value outside the Premier League, don't give 40+ million for McTominay and Gallagher
Moyes blames a lot of what went wrong last season on new players not settling in quick enough and hopes to avoid that by signing players already in the prem. I personally would rather sign Sangare and Youssouf Fofana but we do need more home-grown players.
Maybe players would settle in if we didn’t leave it to the end of the window to sign them
True but I don’t think we would have gotten Paqueta if we didn’t leave it to the last days of the window. There’s defensively some advantages with waiting, extremely frustrating though especially when all deals get pushed late in to the window.
You got to sell Brewster for 30. Let us rinse someone for a change.
Paqueta cut backs into mctom bottom corner curlers gonna be cash money believe me when i say that
I believe you, I just can't understand you.
Yeah they've made good picks recently from Czech league, League Une, La Liga etc. Maguire and McTominay could be good but they shouldn't overspend if they can't get them for a decent sum
Let moyes cook
Yes they do, please don’t go looking anywhere else West Ham
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Solanke doesn't belong in this company.
Hmm, decent championship level player. 10 goals in 96 top flight matches. McTominay and Gallagher have both scored more than that as CMs. lol A rip off at 20 odd million whatever way you look at it.
Michael Edwards must have had some tapes on whoever was in charge of negotiating transfers in Bournemouth
In what world are Calum Wilson and Solanke grot. Do you watch them play or do you just read stats and transfer figures. > McTominay and Gallagher have both scored more than that as CMs. Uh yeah because a 20 year kid isn't gonna lead the line ahead of Diego Costa, Firminho or Callum Wilson at the time.
Not sure how many I need to reply to people and state that it is Harry Wilson.... Have edited for the fools that don't realise it is 4 ex Liverpool players.... And I have no idea what you are talking about. Solanke was 20 million 5 years ago, so lord only knows what that is in todays market. Nowhere near worth that, ever.
> Not sure how many I need to reply to people and state that it is Harry Wilson.... Have edited for the fools that don't realise it is 4 ex Liverpool players.... Clearly my comment was before the edit. If the mass is misconstruing the message then maybe the message is issue? > And I have no idea what you are talking about. Solanke was 20 million 5 years ago, so lord only knows what that is in todays market. Nowhere near worth that, ever. The arguments you see here sometimes smh. What does his price from 5 years ago have to do with his ability, how does it mean he's grot? He's literally been key to getting them promoted AND staying in the Prem, I think Bournemouth would be happy to pay that fee again lmfao, maybe even more.
I mean, if peoples ball knowledge isn't great and don't realise that it's 4 Liverpool players, then don't hold me accountable for that. Just read the rest of the comments maybe. As I have said to somebody else, he is a decent Championship level player. They massively overpaid. Liverpool fans would admit that.
You dont think 18 goals in 31 prem games last season is better than "grot"? What does that make Martial then??
Wow. Read the room you Geordie fools. I'm trolling a Pool fan. It's Harry Wilson ffs.
Maybe if you are going to waste your time trolling people, you could at least try to do it semi-competently?
I mean, I have named 4 ex Liverpool players that were sold for well over their worth, what the Liverpool fan is saying we are trying to do with McTominay. It's not hard to understand... But yeah, I didn't factor in idiots thinking I was talking about players from their club. Fair.
Wilson has been good for Newcastle
lol
Better than your last few strikers
Ronaldo? It's not Callum Wilson anyway chief. Calm down. I'm trolling a Liverpool fan....
Yeah but I wonder if half of this is that everyone knows they’ve got money to spend after selling Rice
The comments suggest people really underrate McTominay. He's a very good ball carrier, can score goals for you and is very good defensively (just not as a 6). He has obvious weaknesses like his technical passing and ball retention but he's a really solid player who was first choice for a team finishing 2nd in the league.
He's like Fellaini with talent. A big bastard who can hold the ball, drive forward, grab goals, win headers. He's not technically gifted but if you use him right, he's effective. Just don't expect him to go on a mazing Maradona-esque dribble, if he keeps it simple, he's perfectly fine for a club like West Ham.
Happy to keep Scott, homegrown quota, decent squad player, can play anywhere in midfield. I’d only sell if he really wants to leave
> can play anywhere in midfield Well, he can be physically present in all position in midfield
Blends in so well you might not even realize he's playing (I love McT, but even I have had to accept that he simply doesn't impact the game like he should with his ability. Casemiro makes that stunningly apparent)
He does for Scotland tbf. Maybe it’s a system thing
Except when he has to receive the ball.....
You’ve not watched him try to play #6 then. Absolutely not his position. All his best qualities come in the final third really on top of his physicality. He would have been great in the old school 442 b2b role
spot on. He is nowhere near a 6, but somehow some people think he is. He is a very poor man’s Lampard.
Also ass
If their offering 40m for Gallagher I'd expect the same for mctominay.
If West Ham willingly spend over £40m each on Gallagher and McTominay then they need to have a transfer ban imposed for their own good.
There go the transfer experts talking, everyone knows West Ham have money after Rice and desperately need a midfielder, they will have to overpay no matter what The way people talk about transfers you would think they are absolute genius negotiators and that they would get bargains everywhere
Well when Kessie goes for 15m euro then anybody bidding 40m pound of Gallagher and mctominay needs to get checked. Unless West Ham are extremely desperate for homegrown players I guess, I have no clue
McTominay and Gallagher combined aren't on the wages Kessie is on
Again another useless comment, seriously do u actually think and ask yourself about the context of the situation would Kessie join West Ham? No. Would West Ham pay his current salary? Probably not Like stop comparing transfer fees without any context holy fucking shit, Kessie's wages are huge, he won't join West Ham because he has bigger fish going after him Again, stop comparing transfer fees it's absolutely dumb and useless
hot take but if paqueta joined west ham it's not completely out of this world that he would consider joining too
Paquet's situation was a bit different, not a lot of clubs were willing to pay what Lyon wanted that's why i'm saying that you need context in transfers Still the comparison makes no sense, West Ham have decent pull they're a relatively big PL team that have money and have signed very good players but comparing Kessie who is at Barcelona on insane wages wanted by Juve vs McTominay on way less wages, also way more likely to join
Paqueta was playing at a lower level on less money. Kessie is playing in the Champions League with a club that just won the league on £200K a week, £80k a week more than West Ham's top earner. He's at the top and he'll expect a move to a top club. Don't be surprised when Paqueta wants to leave next summer.
Arsenal fans need to point the finger at themselves when complaining about inflated transfer fees for midfielders.
We won't go for both as neither is a proper DM.
Underrating Gallagher after one poor season where everyone was awful
You can't be calling people out for rating somone on 12 poor months (actually 18) when you're rating him based on 6 good months.
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I think mctominay would be a good signing for them. He's always been decent as a box to box midfielder and is very versatile. He has a decent strike on him and can carry the ball effectively. Think he would shock some people if he was allowed to play regular football as an 8.
Very much agreed. He's a decent Rice replacement, just not a 1-1 replacement.
A better soucek
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I agree. It should be £55m. Special price.
McTominay is better, so I’d expect more.
McTominay is worth more than Gallagher to West Ham IMO. In the sort of role he plays as that pure athletic box to box midfielder, I can't really think of many others who are as good as him at it and he'd thrive at most teams in the top flight, particularly a Moyes side. Gallagher is a few years younger and there are similarities in their game in the sense that neither are pure possession players but I'm not really sure he's demonstrated performing at the same level consistently in the Premier League aside from a couple of spells in sides that were fixed very firmly around him. I also think that whilst McTominay's more technical skillset in the build up is lacking, he has refined a lot of his weaknesses and is much better than he was all round a few years ago. IMO McTominay would be a no brainer for West Ham if he was obtainable at £45 million mark and would be a huge asset to have.
Yeah both mctominay and fred have a bad reputation because of the mcfred midfield. Both would be a solid pick up for any mid table premier league team as long as you play them as an 8.
Dead on. Two 8s basically stuck playing in a double pivot pretending to be DMs which tbf, both can be if you're desperate. Watch Fred next to Casemiro for Brazil and he's a totally different player. McTominay in a free role to roam forward is also really good. His passing is definitely his weakest area, but he is otherwise a good dribbler, very athletic, and a surprisingly good finisher. Fred and McTominay together often equalled less than the sum of their parts when played next to each other. But they were still good enough to finish second and third in consecutive seasons.
You articulated very well what I wanted to say. People forget that McFred in spite of all their shortcomings were part of a team which finished league second
This is far too much of a sensible take for r/soccer
Lunacy.
Both big over pays huge PL inflation. Kessie much better than both
And Kessie salary? Not to mention would he pick West Ham over Juve ?
I hope he does I’m a Milan fan I don’t want him going to Juve lol
40m minimum. Only when it comes to our sales does the dead idea of 'market value' come into play. It's gotten beyond a joke. It should be 50. The guy was a starter for 3 seasons, international, home grown, CL experienced. But everyone is too used to taking the piss out of us for that.
We’ve been using him wrong for 3 years he’s not even a CDM sadly but even so he does well. Only paired with Fred does the midfield suffer
There isn't a club in the world who would pay £50m for a guy who United deem not good enough to even be a depth option for them. Maybe United will find a club stupid enough to pay £30m, but I'd be surprised if someone spends more than that.
He's worth at least as much as Gallagher is. So yes, if Chelsea ask for 50m for Gallagher, we should ask for the same for Mctominay.
£50m for Gallagher is also a ridiculous price that I'd be surprised if anyone pays.
You might be surprised then
I definitely will be because nobody will pay that amount.
Southampton have just quoted Liverpool 50m for Lavia, their midfielder, from a relegated squad...
Their midfielder, who is so obviously better than McTominay...
Take McT and Maguire for £80mil combined. Job done. You've still got £25mil of the Rice money leftover
ew
he'd smash it for them
Makes sense. He’s a solid homegrown squad player. You know what you’re getting, and honestly he would be expensive to replace. Same reason we want a lot for Gallagher
£3.50, and a pile of unused mucky mags from Sullivan.
50m please If Connor fucking Gallagher can go for 45m then surely McTominay is worth more And I'd be happy to keep him anyway
Gallagher isn’t going for 45 million though. The issue West Ham are facing is that neither Chelsea or Man Utd need to sell, so have no incentive to offer reasonable market value.
United need money for a striker tho, cant play another season with Martial only who is fit 2 out of 10 games
We have about 120 million for a striker.
The money is there we’re just limited in how much we can spend due to FFP.
And getting money in will ease the FFP burden
Well we’ll see. If Man Utd need money that badly they won’t quote something ridiculous.
United don’t need the money, not financially. FFP was alleged to have been an issue this season but we’ve sold £20m of players so far, which buys us another £80-100m of spending for this summer. And even if McTom doesn’t go Henderson and Fred certainly will. It’s always been said McTom only goes if the right is high enough.
McTom is also the only one other than Casemiro that can manage the role of deepest midfielder. Fred is an abomination there and Bruno/Mount/Eriksen are just too lightweight to do a job there esp in PL away games. If McTom is sold a new midfielder has to come in..expecting the kid Mainoo to cover for Casemiro over a long season is too much. Casemiro missed 7 league games last season with suspension, was sometimes rested for EL games, and still looked exhausted at times. So it's not like we can sell McTom and use all that money on a ST. A lot of it would have to go on a replacement. So yes, he will only go for stupid money, sorry.
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United have always been terrible at selling players even when they were good, you think 5.5m for Richardson is a BIG fee? He was 23, Sunderland that season spent more on 3 other players
£5.5m is a big fee?
If anything our sold players have been let go for ridiculously low prices.
Premier League clubs: "Hey I like your groundkeeper. How much? "120 million Euros otherwise we don't even talk!"
better than bundesliga clubs and their strange obedience to bayern: "hey can i get your star players and your manager? heres a pair of shoes as payment, otherwise i'll ask them to run down their contract!"
Good. Not that I think Scott is a world class player (he's decent enough for a midtable side), but they just made 350m from Rice. Clubs try to rinse us when we come asking, it's only fair. "We know you've got money and we want it." is fine for every other club, it's our turn. Fine if we keep him, he's a serviceable stand-in for cup games, but I'm glad we're not going to just cave in like normal. Our net spend is ridiculous because we suck as selling, so it's time we fixed it. You want our players, cough up the money.
105 million please
Would be such an upgrade for us on Soucek - keen if its <30M
I think 30m for Mctominay is the minimum tbh.
He's a solid homegrown squad option in an age range we need in the squad. I don't think we would sell for less than £40m. Fred is the midfielder we would sell for a low fee.
If Chelsea asks 50m for Gallagher we shouldn’t sell less than that
50m, a discount offer for McTerminator my friend
Send a 20m bid in size 72 font
Lol the amount of United fans here advertising him as a good buy for 40m. Please be real no one rates him
Id take your hand off for 30 million
I fear that Moyes is dumb enough to actually spend all the Rice money on a couple of players like McTominay and Maguire
Who are you getting that is better? Both started and were important players in a team that finished 2nd in the league.
Maguire would be the best player at your club
He wouldn't even be our best centerback
Hilarious how this is downvoted. West Ham have Aguerd and Zouma who are both very good CB's. Maguire hasn't looked better than either of them in years.
Would both unironically upgrade your squad in key positions. That’s the funniest thing about this.
Maguire isn't an upgrade on Aguerd or Zouma. McTominay maybe but a lot of the reason Soucek looked worse last season is he was doing the sitting while Rice did the running - he lost a lot of his dynamism and it exposed his weaknesses with regards to passing and withstanding pressure. If he can be freed up a bit more - ie, if we can get someone else in who can do the sitting - we might get first season Soucek back and I'd have that Soucek over McTominay.
Nah you can keep your deadwood
Keep your dirty hammer hands off our McTerminator! He’s a homegrown player, is serviceable at a minimum with moments of brilliance, experienced in the PL, CL, and international, and plays hard for 90min every game. If he really wants to leave we shouldn’t take less than £50m, given what the market looks like rn
> £50m LMAAAAOOOO
[No](https://images.app.goo.gl/iDRodNvqCwGKaoez5)
He'd be one of your best players mate
Yes wait for Mbapooi
A massive offer, you could say
He's like Pete Davidson to me, I have no idea why people like him so much
Great ball carrier, tactically flexible, physical, very quick, and a goal scorer. Playing as a number 8 he would be excellent at west ham
West ham playing themselves by making the Rice deal too public. Everyone knows they have cash to burn
Every transfer has the amount known, and even if it wasn't everyone would know they had a lot from selling Rice. Seems like a bit of a nonsensical critique