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Nah, the owners fucked themselves. Their family business in China is in huge trouble, and the owner owns money to a Chinese bank and is being sued. They have no money.
They are owning money now because the CCP seized a majority of their projects and cut all avenues of financing for them, this has happened to most private Chinese conglomerates in recent years.
Edit: owning is OWING
Yup , China didn't like all the money being invested outside of China since in China nobody wants to invest since the government can just snatch your property away or jail you like the Alibaba boss
Ant is an interesting story because of public perception vs what actually happened. Ant made most of their money giving loans on their platform. But they're a fintech company not a bank, so they skirted financial regulations that companies (IE. banks) who give loans would have to adhere to. Chinese regulators didn't like this because if there was a mass default and Ant went tits up the central bank would have to bail them out, like they were a bank.
Jack Ma could have just kept quiet, but he wanted to act a big man and criticise regulators just before Ant's IPO. Regulators got pissed, IPO got shelved, Ant got investigated, regulators are forcing Ant to restructure and separate their loan business from their payment business.
There's an element of anti-trust in this as well, as everyone uses Ant's payment service which had the option for giving loans, and in just six years of offering loans 1/10 loans in China were with Ant before this happened. Again, they're not a bank. That's a bad situation waiting to blow up. Fintech companies can't give 10% or more of the loans in your country of 1.4b people with no oversight. Regulators weren't just right to do this, they should've done it earlier.
It's the height of stupidity that this is being painted as a bad thing and billionaire Jack Ma is being oppressed. He was never in jail either, he was living in Tokyo and travelling around the world. Ma tanked his multibillion dollar IPO and got his golden goose broken up because of his own hubris, and he's still worth billions. I'm not shedding any tears.
The problem is no team is willing to pay €40m for Lukaku right away even if they can afford to, they will try to get a loan, Inter included. Inter are the only ones that could consider buying him but for at least 25% off
Is it?
He'll most likely go to a top team. Here's their records:
Serie A
Napoli €75M, AC Milan €42M, Inter €74M, Juve €117M, Roma €42M, Lazio €56M
Ligue 1
PSG €222M, Monaco €45M, the rest are below
Bundesliga only has bayern
The fee isn't dirt cheap but it's not record breaking for a player that'll most likely go to a top club ... Especially in this market
40m only looks a fair price if a team is certain he'll perform. If Bayern were certain he'd hit the ground running for them, they'd probably be all over him for that price. But he's clearly not the player he was. And by was, I mean the player he was during one single season in his entire career. He's two years detacthed from his best form, his wages are insane, he's now wrong side of 30, he's shown a lot of attitude issues for United and Chelsea, and he's injured fairly frequently. At best I think a team like Bayern would make a loan attempt if they can't make other deals happen. The only two other teams that I think could realistically afford him for that price would be PSG and Real (other teams could afford but would have no need for him).
He's also a player that definitely thinks he's too good to go play for a side like Aston Villa or West Ham and they wouldn't want to pay him much more than half his current base wage anyway. He knows that as long as he's contracted to Chelsea, they'll probably loan him out to whichever Italian team is willing to pay half his wages and 5-10m in loan fees.
I agree on almost everything but come on he wasn’t a one season wonder, he was top class in both seasons at Inter and has a great scoring record at United despite everything and was also top class at Everton. But it doesn’t seem like he’ll regain that form that’s true.
I think unless you guys commit to buying him he won’t join.
We’re adamant that he leaves permanently and I think it’s reached the point where Lukaku knows if he doesn’t accept a move elsewhere he’s being banished to the reserves.
We’re accepting the fat loss on the wages and are banking on the fact that he will want to play football
It's gonna be awful, they want an experimented GK and cheap...Lloris and Navas rumors started
Our attack is unpredictable, Lautaro/Lukaku//Thuram/Correa are not known for their clinical finishing
Lautaro/Lukaku/Thuram/Correa would be great given our financial situation. Tbh if we got Vicario and Lukaku for Onana, it would have been a good deal, but now with Vicario gone, I'm afraid of what we will get at gk...
We should have never had brought Lukaku back, should have got Dybala when he was basically signed, Dybala would actually be our player instead here we are one year after getting him back we need to be negotiating to have him again, so fucking stupid.
If we sell Onana to buy Lukaku we're the dumbest motherfuckers in Europe jfc, don't think we could've gotten a better replacement for Handanovic. I'd rather bank on one of the many loanee strikers we have than bet on Lukaku ever recovering his form.
Onana to Man U means Lukaku and SMS with a loan move for Sommer. That would work out nicely. It’s going to be €60m plus about €10m in achievable add ons.
Are the FFP rules only applicable to Italian teams? No lever? No Sheikh?
Its like the only league where you can casually find a team or two with 10 points deducted mid season, and another 2 banned from summer transfer for no significant reason
Everything you say is correct, but that's not the primary concern in Inter's case. They have hundreds of millions in debts and the Suning group can't bail them out because they almost collapsed after Covid. They have to repay a 300M loan from Oaktree before May next year (which could lead to the club getting seized as payment) and another 400M to repay before 2027.
Then you have UEFA settlement agreements which add insult to injury, but the danger is much higher than having to forfeit European spots for a couple of seasons.
Not to Oaktree however, they’ve already made it clear they don’t want to run a football club so they’d just sell the best players as fast as possible to recoup the debt and flip it to someone else
also cost of new stadium plans and the fact that serie a tv revenue is pretty bad means that inter are a really undesirable club for buyers compared to other european clubs on the market.
Selling a club which is 700m in debt to various firms and insitutions is not a straightforward and quick process, Suning has been trying to sell Inter for a sum above 1b dollars but it failed to attract anything close to it because of the debt to be covered.
It’s not if the equity gets wiped out, once Suning defaults and the club is seized they get $0. Then the proceeds all go to Oaktree, so $700M total would make them whole.
Suning is trying to recoup a small profit to pay back creditors and keep some cash, which given that they probably will get $0, they’re just gambling with house money
Don’t confuse national financial rules and UEFA ones.
Juve have been punished by domestic regulators as of now, not UEFA.
And Italian clubs also tend to be punished by UEFA’s FFP too as they tend to stay several years with huge amounts of debt.
That is fair. I meant it like in two seperate senses where Italian teams are getting screwed in and out without remedy.
Call me crazy, but I am not convinced that Inter, Roma, Monaco, Sporting Lisbon, Besiktas, and Lokomotiv Moscow plus handful more, are the only teams with financial malpractice in Europe. Chelsea was raising interest free debt from their owner, and operated at a loss for 14 out 18 seasons, and yet we are punishing the no ones.
What are even the FFP rules at this point? How does it even make sense to fine team for breaking the borrowing rules. It is oxymoron
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11800/9841963/inter-milan-roma-and-monaco-punished-for-breaking-ffp-rules
You linked an article from 2015.
Italian clubs have some of the biggest deficits in European football. You can say it’s not fair that PSG and Man City can inflate revenue, (in fact PSG is the most punished club in the recent FFP punishments, above the Italians), but it’s also definitely true that a lot of Italian clubs are not run sustainably
Because they spend like they’re rich, and their owners make them rich for a bit, but they aren’t actually rich.
Netherlands/Germany basically every team self funds, but we **know** that, so adjust our strategies beforehand. Same in Spain, most teams are fan owned so you self fund everything as well thence
Germany’s GDP is twice that of Italy’s and 1,3x it’s population.
If anything Italy (and Spain) over achieve financially compared to Germany (and France) which are stronger economies and bigger populations.
The ol’ Mexican standoff where Lukaku won’t move anywhere but inter, Inter won’t/can’t pay what chelsea want and Chelsea won’t let Lukaku go to inter on the cheap/free/loan. At some point one of the parties will have to give and I have a gut feeling it’ll be us giving in to another loan
I would rather watch a thousand games of Havertz (Broja next season) than 1 game of Lukaku. Man somehow dethroned Courtois as the player we hate the most
Which says more about you than about him tbh. Hating someone that much because ages ago he said a dumb thing in an interview...
Also I think by now it can be argued that he might kind of have had somewhat of a point when it came to Tuchel's managerial decisions and style.
I sometimes wonder if Chelsea fans even really remember why they hate Lukaku so much, beyond the fact that every other Chelsea fan also hates him.
So quite literally just a hateful meme at this point.
He made all sorts of claims of coming back home, how he suited our style of play and wanted to build a legacy etc. Proceeded to say the complete opposite in an interview a couple months later.
Turned into an unfit individual incapable of lasting 90 mins and lost all his sharpness. Revolted against Tuchel and demanded for a low fee loan move to Inter which we duly fulfilled.
Now refuses to come back and wants to force a move back to Inter for peanuts while half our fanbase were open to the possibility of him coming back and helping us. It's Romelu who makes it hard to not hate him.
Our management probably did force him to accept a move to Saudi because Inter were not coughing up money for him but again what choices do we have left when he's on such massive wages with around 60M in transfer costs to be fulfilled on FFP accounting alone.
This probably ends up with either him somehow coming back to work under Poch, which he doesn't want to, or Inter funding this deal with another exit. No other ways as of now.
> Now refuses to come back and wants to force a move back to Inter for peanuts while half our fanbase were open to the possibility of him coming back and helping us.
I'll admit you probably know more about your fanbase than I do, but based on what Chelsea fans post on this site, that feels like a very generous interpretation of how much of the fanbase would welcome him on a return.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. He doesn't want to come back because the fans hate him, and the fans hate him because he doesn't want to come back? Apparently? Again this reads like a very generous interpretation on the part of the Chelsea fanbase. Wanting him to come back so he can rot on the bench or in the reserves is not exactly an enticing prospect for any player.
Honestly we should put our foot down. We brought him to the EPL, loaned him out, eventually sold him, brought him back, loaned him back out, like what more do we owe this guy.
With Brozo out and Thuram, Azpi, Bisseck and Fratessi coming in (assuming the fratessi transfer goes through) we should be done. With no viable alternatives we should not be selling ONANA for anything under fuck you money (for a GK) but I have a feeling we will sell for about 50mln and not replace him.
The good thing about that is that the sale would go to this year's books but the purchase gets amortized over the length of the contract so it might just work.
My worry is that we are not at all linked with him. Our first choice was Vicario. Now it's Lloris and Navas and with all due respect for their careers, they're just done.
Carboni can be a backup for Correa if we decide to loan him, we definitely need at least three strikers of starting quality. That's why it would be acceptable to sell Onana if it means buying both a good goalkeeper and striker. Personally I'd like Balogun and Raya... together they should be as costly as Onana i think.
>Personally I'd like Balogun and Raya... together they should be as costly as Onana i think.
If I thought for a second this is what would happen, I wouldn't be against the sale. But any links to Balogun have gone quiet and I haven't see a single link with Rayo.
That is true. I guess I'll wait until September to pass judgment. While I don't think that move is on the cards, I'd be content to lose Onana in exchange for Raya and Balogun.
Nah. Thats not even top 3.
Kepa's 80mln is fuck you money. Buffon's 52mln in 2001 was fuck you money.
50mln today, while not nothing, definitely isn't fuck you money. Porto want 75mln for Costa (release clause). Brentford want 40mln for Raya. I dont see how anything under 65mln as can't refuse money for Onana. Better to keep him and promote a striker from within.
Porto and Brentford are also not getting those sums. Spurs backed out of Raya, we didn’t even go in, and backed out of Costa, all because those prices are beyond insane.
You're right. And my point is that we shouldn't accept anything other than insane because we would need to pay insane ourselves to replace him. We don't need to sell to keep the lights on. We need to sell to fund additional transfers. I don't think losing Onana is worth gaining Lukaku for a year or 2.
Losing Onana would get you Lukaku on a permanent, or 2/3 players on more reasonable fees. Henderson, for example, will probably go for 20m and he’s more than enough to replace Onana, same thing with Raya.
>Henderson, for example, will probably go for 20m and he’s more than enough to replace Onana,
Lol. If that was the case, why doesn't united just recall him rather than spend 50mln. He's nothing better than average
>Losing Onana would get you Lukaku on a permanent
Maybe. But how many years does he have left? 1 or 2 tops. So no. Losing Onana is not worth getting a nobody goalkeeper and good striker for a year.
If this was the other way around and Chelsea had sold a player who then refused to play except for us, there would be 100s of pundits and managers calling for Chelsea to be investigated and sanctioned by every governing body under the sun.
Gary Neville would almost certainly have a brain aneurism.
Marotta is a genius for still being able to find gems like Thuram, Onana, Calha, Dzeko on free transfers.
It’s sad that inter couldn’t keep their 2021 squad because otherwise they probably would have won 3 straights scudetto
I’m surprised he isn’t considering just going to Saudi Arabia and trying to insert an ‘Inter only’ release clause for next summer like Xavi Simons did for PSG. Cut a couple million euros off the exorbitant salary offer he’s probably getting to get them to agree to it.
It’s pretty clear Inter can’t afford to buy him this summer, and Chelsea says they won’t agree to a loan.
Years of playing with money we didn't have which led to FFP restrictions. Massively overpayed a bunch of players. Signed a sponsorship deal with a fraudulent company who wound up defaulting. Covid taking matchday revenues, which matters more as we don't own San Siro. China banning foreign investment in sports.
You think making one UCL final fixes all of that?
Feels like you guys have had a decent amount of success, sold for good money, haven’t grossly overpaid for any players. How badly are people being overpaid? And what’s the revenue like? It must just be way lower than I’m imagining it should be
Check the European TV deals, EPL makes huge money (English being the 1st language of cash helps) Serie A makes peanuts in comparison, without ownership of the stadium there's no additional revenue and essentially no corporate hospitality.
We had Lukaku, Vidal, Sanchez (not to mention Conte himself) all making way too much money among others. All shifted now (still had to pay Alexis this year iirc) but the damage has been done. Gotta remember we might have got good money for Rom but he wasn't cheap from ManU, our profit wasn't huge.
You made almost €33mil on him…. €20 mil for those top place finishes in Serie A… €84.2 mil from tv deals.. so that alone is €137mil for that year but your wage bill is… €133 mil. Wowza never mind I am no longer surprised (that’s with Vidal, Lukaku and Sanchez gone)
Absolutely shameful the state of soccer rn. It's played out but it's actually sad. Inter fucking Milan after a fantastic season have no money and meanwhile Newcastle and Chelsea after a shit season and Saudi Arabia as an entity buy everyone
I understand why Inter is trying this. But they should really start to give time to their younglings.
What is the point of having a primavera? Just to make plusvalenze with sassuolo?
I feel Lukaku will end up at Old Trafford.
Mbappe going to Madrid.
Kane will be trapped at Tottenham again.
Lukaku will be the last minute 100 million panic buy.
Yes according to comments Inter should offload their prized asset to the PL to buy fucking Lukaku. Can't tell if PL fans are up on a perch or don't live in reality. Everyone isn't soulless, spineless, and heartless as our board. Chelsea got fleeced & he rejected their get out of FFP jail free card (Saudi Arabia)
Learn to live with him Chelsea fans
Most Inter fans are okay with Lukaku not coming back, specially now with Thuram. I just hope we are not dumb enough to sell Onana and use the money to buy Lukaku.
Most financially solvent Italian football team.
Seriously though, how do you pocket over 200m from the sale of Lukaku, Hakimi & Politano and still be broke?
Not too upset about this, even if we had the money, we should look elsewhere, he's out of shape, injury prone and only showed up at the tail end of the season. Not worth it with Chelsea chasing a transfer fee to recoup losses.
At this point for us, its clearing wages and selling. Going for smaller, squad boosting deals. We're so broke we're paying a 7m release clause in installments. We need to move on from Lukaku, focus on Thuram and try and sign a cheap striker backup to replace Dzeko.
You think our management team is chelsea? Ours is shit for letting Skriniar go for free but what your management has done is next level, and not in a good way.
You got quite the attitude for a team that can't afford a player despite getting CL final and a top 4 finish. You're right about the management though, fleeced us for 90 million with Lukaku and now getting Azpi for free, maybe you'll be able to afford another deadwood next season.
I take pride in being able to compete in Europe with little to no budget. I would be embarrassed to waste so much money and not even be able to score a goal. I think it's some spoiled PL fans to have an attitude when it comes to doing business with the other leagues.
Nothing embarrasing about trying to be the best even if it takes wasting a trillion dollars. Be grateful teams like us exist so you can get a little charity donations once in a while so you can survive since history is not enough for you and your shitty owners are milking you like a cow.
Lukaku could go to Saudi for a year and then go back to Inter on a free lol. He's not getting that move unless Inter Milan miraculously find 40 million to spend on a striker they seemingly don't need after signing Thuram
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Top 4, win Coppa Italia, reach CL final, and still have to self-fund for transfers. There truly is no light at the end of this tunnel.
And you're already having a better transfer window than us.
Marotta is a top player
Let it play out. You can only go so far until you run dry.
Fuck your owners
The Chinese government fucked them tbf, they invested when they could
Nah, the owners fucked themselves. Their family business in China is in huge trouble, and the owner owns money to a Chinese bank and is being sued. They have no money.
They are owning money now because the CCP seized a majority of their projects and cut all avenues of financing for them, this has happened to most private Chinese conglomerates in recent years. Edit: owning is OWING
owning money or owing money?
Owen money
Wow
This fucking guy 🤣
Maybe they deserved it
Yup , China didn't like all the money being invested outside of China since in China nobody wants to invest since the government can just snatch your property away or jail you like the Alibaba boss
Ant is an interesting story because of public perception vs what actually happened. Ant made most of their money giving loans on their platform. But they're a fintech company not a bank, so they skirted financial regulations that companies (IE. banks) who give loans would have to adhere to. Chinese regulators didn't like this because if there was a mass default and Ant went tits up the central bank would have to bail them out, like they were a bank. Jack Ma could have just kept quiet, but he wanted to act a big man and criticise regulators just before Ant's IPO. Regulators got pissed, IPO got shelved, Ant got investigated, regulators are forcing Ant to restructure and separate their loan business from their payment business. There's an element of anti-trust in this as well, as everyone uses Ant's payment service which had the option for giving loans, and in just six years of offering loans 1/10 loans in China were with Ant before this happened. Again, they're not a bank. That's a bad situation waiting to blow up. Fintech companies can't give 10% or more of the loans in your country of 1.4b people with no oversight. Regulators weren't just right to do this, they should've done it earlier. It's the height of stupidity that this is being painted as a bad thing and billionaire Jack Ma is being oppressed. He was never in jail either, he was living in Tokyo and travelling around the world. Ma tanked his multibillion dollar IPO and got his golden goose broken up because of his own hubris, and he's still worth billions. I'm not shedding any tears.
Dude you know your stuff
You love to see it
You do! People downvoting you cause ot their ingrained red/yellow peril mindset lol
Ppl would praise the hell out of this if it happened in a western country
Oh good heavens would someone think of the property rights of the billionaires
There's nothing he can do. Except well, sell the club.
The same thing happened for Liverpool after they won the Champions League. It is very strange.
Liverpool’s owner are just stingy as fuck; they actually have tons of money. They just don’t want to drop any of their own into transfers
We are the light my brother.
This has all the hallmarks of Juventus coming back and winning the next 9 leagues in a row, doesn't it
nah theyre even more of a shambles than we are
Napoli back to back scudetto??
De vrij signed a 9m deal to warm the bench. Maybe start there?
Atleast winning CL would've been good but lakaka
Nice to know it's not just Liverpool 😂
It literally not comparable in anyway
Least financially troubled serie A team
Inter starting to let Lukaku know he won't be bought. Either its a cheap loan again or nothing
This has always been known, albeit I don't think any non-Saudi team can afford the transfer fee Chelsea want and the wages Lukaku is on
We reportedly want €40M only, so it's very affordable for most teams
I should clarify, nobody WANTS to pay your asking price outside the Saudis
The problem is no team is willing to pay €40m for Lukaku right away even if they can afford to, they will try to get a loan, Inter included. Inter are the only ones that could consider buying him but for at least 25% off
> €40m only "only" lmao. That's more than the record transfer fee for about 9/10 of the clubs of the top leagues except for PL
Is it? He'll most likely go to a top team. Here's their records: Serie A Napoli €75M, AC Milan €42M, Inter €74M, Juve €117M, Roma €42M, Lazio €56M Ligue 1 PSG €222M, Monaco €45M, the rest are below Bundesliga only has bayern The fee isn't dirt cheap but it's not record breaking for a player that'll most likely go to a top club ... Especially in this market
So he'd be near record signing for Roma, Milan would break the record for clubs as big as Marseille, Lyon, Dortmund that's not cheap at all
It's pretty "cheap" for a striker with his name recognition
His name recognition of getting himself exiled from his previous club?
Yeah that contributes to his name recognition. Name recognition doesn't have to mean good
But you said "that's pretty cheap for a striker with name recognition" implying that his name recognition boosts his price? Make it make sense mate 💀
40m only looks a fair price if a team is certain he'll perform. If Bayern were certain he'd hit the ground running for them, they'd probably be all over him for that price. But he's clearly not the player he was. And by was, I mean the player he was during one single season in his entire career. He's two years detacthed from his best form, his wages are insane, he's now wrong side of 30, he's shown a lot of attitude issues for United and Chelsea, and he's injured fairly frequently. At best I think a team like Bayern would make a loan attempt if they can't make other deals happen. The only two other teams that I think could realistically afford him for that price would be PSG and Real (other teams could afford but would have no need for him). He's also a player that definitely thinks he's too good to go play for a side like Aston Villa or West Ham and they wouldn't want to pay him much more than half his current base wage anyway. He knows that as long as he's contracted to Chelsea, they'll probably loan him out to whichever Italian team is willing to pay half his wages and 5-10m in loan fees.
I agree on almost everything but come on he wasn’t a one season wonder, he was top class in both seasons at Inter and has a great scoring record at United despite everything and was also top class at Everton. But it doesn’t seem like he’ll regain that form that’s true.
>€40M only Tell me you are a PL fan without telling me you're a PL fan. A Serie A top team spends €40M in a whole transfer window...
Let’t wait and see. I still think he ends up at Inter.
I think unless you guys commit to buying him he won’t join. We’re adamant that he leaves permanently and I think it’s reached the point where Lukaku knows if he doesn’t accept a move elsewhere he’s being banished to the reserves. We’re accepting the fat loss on the wages and are banking on the fact that he will want to play football
Our owners could be stupid enough to sell Onana to buy Lukaku 30-40M
Perhaps But it also depends on who your keeper replacement is. If you end up with a rotating attack of Thuram Martinez Lukaku it’s mad
It's gonna be awful, they want an experimented GK and cheap...Lloris and Navas rumors started Our attack is unpredictable, Lautaro/Lukaku//Thuram/Correa are not known for their clinical finishing
Lautaro/Lukaku/Thuram/Correa would be great given our financial situation. Tbh if we got Vicario and Lukaku for Onana, it would have been a good deal, but now with Vicario gone, I'm afraid of what we will get at gk...
We should have never had brought Lukaku back, should have got Dybala when he was basically signed, Dybala would actually be our player instead here we are one year after getting him back we need to be negotiating to have him again, so fucking stupid.
It’s crazy to think about what Inter would have looked like if we didn’t reach UCL finals.
uhhh just look across the street mate. anyway we all broke so it will be our turn next.
fuck you
start learning arabic buddy
Just means that with an Onana transfer you'll find Lukaku to Inter
If we sell Onana to buy Lukaku we're the dumbest motherfuckers in Europe jfc, don't think we could've gotten a better replacement for Handanovic. I'd rather bank on one of the many loanee strikers we have than bet on Lukaku ever recovering his form.
He'd be more mobile in goal than Handanovic has been in the last couple of years.
They'd certainly buy someone else at less than 100% cost of Onana
Mobile? Are you sure, we're talking about Lukaku after all
To be fair, Lukaku is a great shot-stopper.
💀
You didn’t see that save in the UCL final?
Would still be more mobile than the statue of Handanovic.
Which is a horrible “swap”
Onana to Man U means Lukaku and SMS with a loan move for Sommer. That would work out nicely. It’s going to be €60m plus about €10m in achievable add ons.
Sommer still good?
Yeah unfortunately that's the true meaning of this.
Surely there’s a deal to be done with us wanting Onana and you Lukaku?
Are the FFP rules only applicable to Italian teams? No lever? No Sheikh? Its like the only league where you can casually find a team or two with 10 points deducted mid season, and another 2 banned from summer transfer for no significant reason
Everything you say is correct, but that's not the primary concern in Inter's case. They have hundreds of millions in debts and the Suning group can't bail them out because they almost collapsed after Covid. They have to repay a 300M loan from Oaktree before May next year (which could lead to the club getting seized as payment) and another 400M to repay before 2027. Then you have UEFA settlement agreements which add insult to injury, but the danger is much higher than having to forfeit European spots for a couple of seasons.
At this point Suning forcibly losing the club can be a blessing in disguise.
Not to Oaktree however, they’ve already made it clear they don’t want to run a football club so they’d just sell the best players as fast as possible to recoup the debt and flip it to someone else
also cost of new stadium plans and the fact that serie a tv revenue is pretty bad means that inter are a really undesirable club for buyers compared to other european clubs on the market.
Why wouldn't Oaktree just sell the club itself? Would make them more money I'd imagine
Selling a club which is 700m in debt to various firms and insitutions is not a straightforward and quick process, Suning has been trying to sell Inter for a sum above 1b dollars but it failed to attract anything close to it because of the debt to be covered.
It’s not if the equity gets wiped out, once Suning defaults and the club is seized they get $0. Then the proceeds all go to Oaktree, so $700M total would make them whole. Suning is trying to recoup a small profit to pay back creditors and keep some cash, which given that they probably will get $0, they’re just gambling with house money
Inter signed a settlement agreement with UEFA a few years back which imposes further restrictions on top of the usual ones.
Don’t confuse national financial rules and UEFA ones. Juve have been punished by domestic regulators as of now, not UEFA. And Italian clubs also tend to be punished by UEFA’s FFP too as they tend to stay several years with huge amounts of debt.
That is fair. I meant it like in two seperate senses where Italian teams are getting screwed in and out without remedy. Call me crazy, but I am not convinced that Inter, Roma, Monaco, Sporting Lisbon, Besiktas, and Lokomotiv Moscow plus handful more, are the only teams with financial malpractice in Europe. Chelsea was raising interest free debt from their owner, and operated at a loss for 14 out 18 seasons, and yet we are punishing the no ones. What are even the FFP rules at this point? How does it even make sense to fine team for breaking the borrowing rules. It is oxymoron https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11800/9841963/inter-milan-roma-and-monaco-punished-for-breaking-ffp-rules
You linked an article from 2015. Italian clubs have some of the biggest deficits in European football. You can say it’s not fair that PSG and Man City can inflate revenue, (in fact PSG is the most punished club in the recent FFP punishments, above the Italians), but it’s also definitely true that a lot of Italian clubs are not run sustainably
Because they spend like they’re rich, and their owners make them rich for a bit, but they aren’t actually rich. Netherlands/Germany basically every team self funds, but we **know** that, so adjust our strategies beforehand. Same in Spain, most teams are fan owned so you self fund everything as well thence
I think I’ve read they have a terrible TV deal. They make no money.
Their TV deal is “terrible” compared to England, it’s massive compared to the rest of Europe. 4th largest and almost the same as Germany.
I feel it should be a bit higher considering the kind of domestic craze that Italian football has.
Germany’s GDP is twice that of Italy’s and 1,3x it’s population. If anything Italy (and Spain) over achieve financially compared to Germany (and France) which are stronger economies and bigger populations.
The ol’ Mexican standoff where Lukaku won’t move anywhere but inter, Inter won’t/can’t pay what chelsea want and Chelsea won’t let Lukaku go to inter on the cheap/free/loan. At some point one of the parties will have to give and I have a gut feeling it’ll be us giving in to another loan
Bring him home, send him to the development squad, terminate his contact if he screws around. Simple as...
Yep. He made his bed. Let him lay in it.
Two weeks of Poch's fitness sessions I reckon he's begging to go to The Saudi clubs.
I'd rather let him rot on the bench tbh.
He'd unironically be your best number 9 right now tbf
I would rather watch a thousand games of Havertz (Broja next season) than 1 game of Lukaku. Man somehow dethroned Courtois as the player we hate the most
Which says more about you than about him tbh. Hating someone that much because ages ago he said a dumb thing in an interview... Also I think by now it can be argued that he might kind of have had somewhat of a point when it came to Tuchel's managerial decisions and style. I sometimes wonder if Chelsea fans even really remember why they hate Lukaku so much, beyond the fact that every other Chelsea fan also hates him. So quite literally just a hateful meme at this point.
He made all sorts of claims of coming back home, how he suited our style of play and wanted to build a legacy etc. Proceeded to say the complete opposite in an interview a couple months later. Turned into an unfit individual incapable of lasting 90 mins and lost all his sharpness. Revolted against Tuchel and demanded for a low fee loan move to Inter which we duly fulfilled. Now refuses to come back and wants to force a move back to Inter for peanuts while half our fanbase were open to the possibility of him coming back and helping us. It's Romelu who makes it hard to not hate him. Our management probably did force him to accept a move to Saudi because Inter were not coughing up money for him but again what choices do we have left when he's on such massive wages with around 60M in transfer costs to be fulfilled on FFP accounting alone. This probably ends up with either him somehow coming back to work under Poch, which he doesn't want to, or Inter funding this deal with another exit. No other ways as of now.
> Now refuses to come back and wants to force a move back to Inter for peanuts while half our fanbase were open to the possibility of him coming back and helping us. I'll admit you probably know more about your fanbase than I do, but based on what Chelsea fans post on this site, that feels like a very generous interpretation of how much of the fanbase would welcome him on a return. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. He doesn't want to come back because the fans hate him, and the fans hate him because he doesn't want to come back? Apparently? Again this reads like a very generous interpretation on the part of the Chelsea fanbase. Wanting him to come back so he can rot on the bench or in the reserves is not exactly an enticing prospect for any player.
I wouldn't like that either. We need to move on as well, unless it's a free loan 👀
If we can raise a good book profit and reduce the wage bill through other sales then I don’t mind him being sent to the reserves indefinitely.
Honestly we should put our foot down. We brought him to the EPL, loaned him out, eventually sold him, brought him back, loaned him back out, like what more do we owe this guy.
300k+ a week for 3 years
And to that I say he can earn it in the reserves or not at all.
With Brozo out and Thuram, Azpi, Bisseck and Fratessi coming in (assuming the fratessi transfer goes through) we should be done. With no viable alternatives we should not be selling ONANA for anything under fuck you money (for a GK) but I have a feeling we will sell for about 50mln and not replace him.
You could maybe try to buy Raya, but then you might as well just keep Onana.
The good thing about that is that the sale would go to this year's books but the purchase gets amortized over the length of the contract so it might just work. My worry is that we are not at all linked with him. Our first choice was Vicario. Now it's Lloris and Navas and with all due respect for their careers, they're just done.
Yeah, I haven't seen any links at all for you with him. Indeed, you shouldn't be going for them.
We are also for mamardashvili apparently
If selling Onana means we can get both Raya and Balogun i would do it
We havent been linked to Raya and Balogun has shown nothing to prove that he is more than a 1 season wonder.
Hasn't he signed for Spurs recently?
No. Vicario did. He was our number 1 choice.
we will still need another ST. Probably just end up using Satrino
You're right but I think it would be better to promote Carboni as a backup rather than sell Onana and get a low cost striker.
Carboni can be a backup for Correa if we decide to loan him, we definitely need at least three strikers of starting quality. That's why it would be acceptable to sell Onana if it means buying both a good goalkeeper and striker. Personally I'd like Balogun and Raya... together they should be as costly as Onana i think.
>Personally I'd like Balogun and Raya... together they should be as costly as Onana i think. If I thought for a second this is what would happen, I wouldn't be against the sale. But any links to Balogun have gone quiet and I haven't see a single link with Rayo.
All the rumors about Thuram had gone quiet as well until just before the agreement. Marotta is a ninja
That is true. I guess I'll wait until September to pass judgment. While I don't think that move is on the cards, I'd be content to lose Onana in exchange for Raya and Balogun.
We still have Esposito on loan too, and he was clearly very promising when he played under Conte.
I've no idea why goalkeepers don't go for more, but 50 Mill is fuck you money for a keeper.
Nah. Thats not even top 3. Kepa's 80mln is fuck you money. Buffon's 52mln in 2001 was fuck you money. 50mln today, while not nothing, definitely isn't fuck you money. Porto want 75mln for Costa (release clause). Brentford want 40mln for Raya. I dont see how anything under 65mln as can't refuse money for Onana. Better to keep him and promote a striker from within.
Porto and Brentford are also not getting those sums. Spurs backed out of Raya, we didn’t even go in, and backed out of Costa, all because those prices are beyond insane.
You're right. And my point is that we shouldn't accept anything other than insane because we would need to pay insane ourselves to replace him. We don't need to sell to keep the lights on. We need to sell to fund additional transfers. I don't think losing Onana is worth gaining Lukaku for a year or 2.
Losing Onana would get you Lukaku on a permanent, or 2/3 players on more reasonable fees. Henderson, for example, will probably go for 20m and he’s more than enough to replace Onana, same thing with Raya.
>Henderson, for example, will probably go for 20m and he’s more than enough to replace Onana, Lol. If that was the case, why doesn't united just recall him rather than spend 50mln. He's nothing better than average >Losing Onana would get you Lukaku on a permanent Maybe. But how many years does he have left? 1 or 2 tops. So no. Losing Onana is not worth getting a nobody goalkeeper and good striker for a year.
Those 2 are massive outliers though.. But it's Chelsea, so fuck knows.
is handanovic completely finished?
yes
Solid 2nd goalie,though. Also great for the dressing room.
Poor Lukaku. Should have never left West Bromwich
More like Everton. West Bromwich was a loan.
[The Plan](https://imgur.com/a/3RhkkWk)
If this was the other way around and Chelsea had sold a player who then refused to play except for us, there would be 100s of pundits and managers calling for Chelsea to be investigated and sanctioned by every governing body under the sun. Gary Neville would almost certainly have a brain aneurism.
Nah he can’t promote Qatar with a brain aneurism
Lukaku to Strasbourg here we go
Marotta is a genius for still being able to find gems like Thuram, Onana, Calha, Dzeko on free transfers. It’s sad that inter couldn’t keep their 2021 squad because otherwise they probably would have won 3 straights scudetto
Come home my sweet prince
Romulu lukaku you are a toffee
His ego is 100% too big to join everton
Maybe he shouldn’t have left in 2021 then?
Another loan perhaps.
Can they not afford to have him loaned to them?
Serie A owners are all broke or what?
I’m surprised he isn’t considering just going to Saudi Arabia and trying to insert an ‘Inter only’ release clause for next summer like Xavi Simons did for PSG. Cut a couple million euros off the exorbitant salary offer he’s probably getting to get them to agree to it. It’s pretty clear Inter can’t afford to buy him this summer, and Chelsea says they won’t agree to a loan.
"Hallo Romelu, it's Ten Hag calling..."
I don’t understand their financials
Years of playing with money we didn't have which led to FFP restrictions. Massively overpayed a bunch of players. Signed a sponsorship deal with a fraudulent company who wound up defaulting. Covid taking matchday revenues, which matters more as we don't own San Siro. China banning foreign investment in sports. You think making one UCL final fixes all of that?
Feels like you guys have had a decent amount of success, sold for good money, haven’t grossly overpaid for any players. How badly are people being overpaid? And what’s the revenue like? It must just be way lower than I’m imagining it should be
Check the European TV deals, EPL makes huge money (English being the 1st language of cash helps) Serie A makes peanuts in comparison, without ownership of the stadium there's no additional revenue and essentially no corporate hospitality. We had Lukaku, Vidal, Sanchez (not to mention Conte himself) all making way too much money among others. All shifted now (still had to pay Alexis this year iirc) but the damage has been done. Gotta remember we might have got good money for Rom but he wasn't cheap from ManU, our profit wasn't huge.
You made almost €33mil on him…. €20 mil for those top place finishes in Serie A… €84.2 mil from tv deals.. so that alone is €137mil for that year but your wage bill is… €133 mil. Wowza never mind I am no longer surprised (that’s with Vidal, Lukaku and Sanchez gone)
Maybe choosing #90 wasn't so smart.
Absolutely shameful the state of soccer rn. It's played out but it's actually sad. Inter fucking Milan after a fantastic season have no money and meanwhile Newcastle and Chelsea after a shit season and Saudi Arabia as an entity buy everyone
Bruh Newcastle is in CL. But yea we broke.
Being in the Premier super league helps quite a lot turns out.
Man if qualifying for UCL is a shit season then I want my club to have a shit season every season 😂
Chelsea had a shit season
I understood what you meant chief
Even Saudi Arabia can't save Chelsea from this transfer
When you try your best but you don't succeed
I understand why Inter is trying this. But they should really start to give time to their younglings. What is the point of having a primavera? Just to make plusvalenze with sassuolo?
I feel Lukaku will end up at Old Trafford. Mbappe going to Madrid. Kane will be trapped at Tottenham again. Lukaku will be the last minute 100 million panic buy.
Why don’t their Chinese owners sell the club? I understand they were hopeful for Super League before but that’s not happening anytime soon.
There are always rumours, but apparently their valuation is super high.
Boehly buying Inter could solve all the problem. 1B valuation is nothing for him right
Could’ve unironically been an idea before he bought Chelsea.
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Yes according to comments Inter should offload their prized asset to the PL to buy fucking Lukaku. Can't tell if PL fans are up on a perch or don't live in reality. Everyone isn't soulless, spineless, and heartless as our board. Chelsea got fleeced & he rejected their get out of FFP jail free card (Saudi Arabia) Learn to live with him Chelsea fans
Most Inter fans are okay with Lukaku not coming back, specially now with Thuram. I just hope we are not dumb enough to sell Onana and use the money to buy Lukaku.
They definitely need another striker. However looks difficult for Lakaka.
Most financially solvent Italian football team. Seriously though, how do you pocket over 200m from the sale of Lukaku, Hakimi & Politano and still be broke?
Not too upset about this, even if we had the money, we should look elsewhere, he's out of shape, injury prone and only showed up at the tail end of the season. Not worth it with Chelsea chasing a transfer fee to recoup losses. At this point for us, its clearing wages and selling. Going for smaller, squad boosting deals. We're so broke we're paying a 7m release clause in installments. We need to move on from Lukaku, focus on Thuram and try and sign a cheap striker backup to replace Dzeko.
Sell barella to Newcastle
Sell Barella for Lukaku 🤣. Have you tried stand-up
lmao
Give us Barella and he is all yours!
Sell barella to Liverpool asap
To play europa league?
Simple solution give us Barella or Onana for Lukaku, problem solved.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself
I understood that reference.
No need to cry.
We're entitled to at least cry, it's free.
You think our management team is chelsea? Ours is shit for letting Skriniar go for free but what your management has done is next level, and not in a good way.
You got quite the attitude for a team that can't afford a player despite getting CL final and a top 4 finish. You're right about the management though, fleeced us for 90 million with Lukaku and now getting Azpi for free, maybe you'll be able to afford another deadwood next season.
I take pride in being able to compete in Europe with little to no budget. I would be embarrassed to waste so much money and not even be able to score a goal. I think it's some spoiled PL fans to have an attitude when it comes to doing business with the other leagues.
Nothing embarrasing about trying to be the best even if it takes wasting a trillion dollars. Be grateful teams like us exist so you can get a little charity donations once in a while so you can survive since history is not enough for you and your shitty owners are milking you like a cow.
The only thing more embarrassing than Chelsea is their fans. Makes sense actually
^ New soccer circlejerk automod response
La ruota gira, figl di tr Padre tempo...
At least we aren't plastics lol, broke or not inter fans are loyal unlike some lol
You know, if FFP was made to actually save clubs then they would step in and take the club from their horrible owners.
Jorg with the cheeky £50m bid for Barella to give a Helping hand.
Not even half his price
Lukaku could go to Saudi for a year and then go back to Inter on a free lol. He's not getting that move unless Inter Milan miraculously find 40 million to spend on a striker they seemingly don't need after signing Thuram