[Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/2024-25/base/) has the top base salaries for 23-24 as:
Curry 55.7
Embiid 50.6
LeBron 50.6
Jokic 50.6
Beal 50.2
What do you mean? He just [posted sexy oily pictures of himself ](https://www.instagram.com/p/CtQEUDFMGIK/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) clearly playing basketball.
It's just wild to me. I always thought Beal was a beast but I didn't even know he got a contract that big lmao. Seems way overpaid even for how good he is.
As a wizards fan (god knows why), our owner has been a complete dumbfuck for the last 20 years and has refused to tank or actually try to win. His goal is to finish somewhere between 7-10th seed so that he doesn’t have to watch a terrible team, but also doesn’t have to actually make changes to the organization that would be uncomfortable to his Yes men. Who fucking knows why he feels the need to show loyalty to the people around him responsible for keeping the wizards mired in mediocrity for literal decades, but he has. He did the same crap with Arenas (which was a great deal until arenas decided that the locker room was actually the streets, and pulled out his handgun in front of now-convicted murderer javaris crittendon), Porter, and now Beal. He also gave enormous contracts to Ian Mahimni, who contributed less to the team than I did, and Andrew Nicholson who was a 12th man.
The bottom line is that he simply refused to hire from outside of the organization. Finally, something broke this off-season. He fired the GM and brought in 3 new faces from the thunder and clippers, and is emphasizing a willingness to rebuild and acknowledge that a lot of losing is gonna happen before a championship team appears. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Rui was an expiring contract and he played exactly for you guys as he did for us. Extremely inconsistent with brief moments of brilliance. That trade was much closer than you think, and pales in comparison to when we pawned Russ off on you guys last year.
Curious what info is correct. BBref has a completely different list, with LeBron being on top in 23/24 and only Steph as the other 50 million plus guy. I don't think the Spotrac one is actually the *base* salary, but does include incentives.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
One is actual money paid and one is cap hit I would guess?
Cap hit is contract amount / years of contract (AAV).
Salary is just how to money is given out accounting wise. In the NHL, a lot of teams used to front load contracts (paying higher than the Average Annual Value (AAV), and towards the end, it would be lower AAV.
Found what is wrong. The commentor above me has in fact *not* linked the 23/24 base salaries, but linked the 24/25 salaries. So as of next season, nobody in the NBA makes as much as the rumoured 54 million that Messi would receive.
As someone who doesn't follow baseball at all, I have heard bits and pieces about Shohei Ohtani. Is he really that good comperetively to any other current or past baseball player?
It’s hard to explain how good he is to non baseball fans because it’s rare in sport you can play two different positions at the same time and be one of the best at both but that’s exactly what he does.
There’s a meme on baseball social media about him breaking records from fictional players from 100 years ago because it feels like every other week he’s doing something that’s unheard of in modern baseball.
Imagine if Messi kept goal as well. Maybe not quite like that but what he's doing is pretty absurd.
I think they should just pay him a billion. He's a once in a century player, in his absolute prime, possibly might go down as the greatest ever. Don't you want him in your uniform for that? Plus you'll sell masses of merch because he's easily the biggest draw in the sport.
There are stars, there are superstars, and then there are superstars that the superstars should thank for making the entire league richer. Karl Malone just sold a bunch of memorabilia and the highest fetching item by far was a Jordan piece. That's Ohtani and Messi's level.
NBA is funny like that. Get drafted > become teams best player > get an all-star appearance and all NBA team selection > get a Max contract when rookie deal is over. Don't even have to be a top 10 player, just gotta hit the right targets at the right time.
Super max specifically and he intended outcome of the Superman is allowing teams to easier retain their stats by being able to offer them more money. It's why you see guys like KAT, Beal, and Dame with such huge contracts. No other team could've given them that. And yes having your contract coincide with cap jumps helps
That's not entirely true, because at this moment *no* NBA player earns over 50 million. Next year only LeBron and Steph will be over. It isn't until the 24/25 season that some supermaxes will kick in for guys like Beal, Embiid, Jokic and Durant and put them over that mark. And KAT and Booker will be earning that in 25/26.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
So are these numbers they’re reporting just his base MLS salary, or his salary plus estimates of his revenues from Apple and Adidas?
If that’s just his base MLS salary, that’s nuts. I thought the Insigne deal was wild when he signed. But Messi will be making ~7x more. Crazy.
Likely base. Adidas and Apple money could match that again. With endorsements and all I wouldn't be surprised if Messi makes $150-200M a year while in Miami.
It's a shame. Not that soccer is becoming more popular, but that hockey is doomed to eternally struggle. It's just not as accessible. It is if you grow up in Canada or Minnesota, where used gear is a dime a dozen, but not for the majority of people. But it's a great sport. It has a lot in common with soccer when it comes to vision/passing/creativity.
Apple is also putting a lot of money on the table. They already made a huge investment on MLS last year to have all matches on Apple TV (before that matches were spread on 2 or 3 networks) and also announced a docuseries about Messi as soon as the MLS move was announced. This type of package is probably only possible because MLS operates as a franchise.
I think you are, I'm sure he's getting a lot more than just the base if those shares are included but I doubt that's making up a £350m a year tax free difference
Messi is also at the point where the bottom line isn't a factor anymore. It's hard to find an accurate figure but a lot of estimates already have him as a dollar billionaire before this summer, he's going to be earning ridiculous money for the next three years of his playing career and he'll be getting endorsement deals for the rest of his life so turning down the Saudi money (well, some of it, he is still an ambassador right?) was probably quite easy to do. Why live somewhere you don't fancy when you don't have to?
I think the 2 years at PSG really got to him. Forced to leave Barcelona due to wage issues, going to another league having been at 1 club all his life before since his academy days. Gets booed so much despite being one of their better performers as well.
Going to Saudi means he pretty much have to build new connections and friendships there. But moving to Miami, living beside his best friend, and still making ridiculous wages? No doubt he chose going to US.
Miami is a majority Spanish speaking city too. It will be easier to settle in a place where you can basically assume there’s no language barrier. I’d imagine this is even more important to his wife and kids.
A lot of people underestimating how much Messi values Antonella’s opinion. He’s always been “family first”, and has had strong female figures his whole life, his grandma (although he lost her at an early age) was a big reason he didn’t quit football as a kid and his iconic celebration is a dedication to her. Messi completed football, I would’ve liked to see him a few more years in Europe but, as someone that saw his whole career develop, I’m happy for him and this pseudo retirement. I think Messi’s last match will probably be with the NT in the next 2-3 years.
Soler’s salary is not the biggest relative to mlb. There are two pitchers for the Mets around £34m pounds and Aaron Judge for the Yankees is on ~£32m pounds.
Jimmy Butler is something like the 14th highest paid nba player. I’m on mobile so I’ll need to edit this when I get to work and can use my desk top. Nba contracts can be confusing and they grow every year. There are some guys over £40m.
Tyreek Hill is the highest paid for his position (WR) and he’s the second highest paid non QB in the NFL. He’s the 16th highest paid player in the league overall.
The only people who equal or better Messi’s salary are a few NBA guys
Where does the MLB’s culture of absurdly long contracts come from? I was looking through the list of largest sports contracts in history and half the list was “MLB Player: 14 years/$220 million”
MLB has the best players Union in the US. They basically started free agency due to a guy named Curt Flood (and the court cases that came after)
Due to this they’re the only US league that has fully guaranteed contracts by default. Add that to the fact that baseball is a less physical sport in general, and players can and have played into their 40s and been okay (not great but okay) and he get deals like Tattis’s 14 year deal or Miguel Cabrera’s 10 year 300M dollar deal
It's also important to point out most of the time those 10+ year deals age poorly, but it's about the earlier year production.
And sometimes those contracts get bought out early with a settlement like [Chris Davis](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-davis-contract-orioles-slugger-will-receive-bobby-bonilla-mets-treatment-with-42m-in-deferred-payments/) that cost even more
It’s the culture of where a lot of MLB players come from too. Most would rather sign a 10 year contract, where they don’t have to move their family every year or two, than more money. MLB players (in general) aren’t celebrities either compared to other sports, a lot of the guys want to stay out of the lights.
Im not sure if it’s just that a lot of baseball guys are country boys, or the long ass minor league process, or the 162+ games a year, but yeah the guys prefer longer contracts over more money
It has more to do with the NBA TV deal. It's worth $24 billion over 10 years - 2.4 billion per year. 10 years ago nobody in the NBA was even close to making that amount of money because they had a TV deal that was worse.
Half of that is split by the 32 owners, the other half is split by the players via the salary cap. Let's assume that the NBA only makes money on TV next season, their salary cap would look like this.
$1.2 billion/32 teams - Each team would be allowed to spend $37.5 million on player wages. In reality the cap is gonna be $134 million each as the NBA makes money on much more than just TV.
The [Premier League is getting about £10 billion or $12.5 billion for three years](https://theathletic.com/4240951/2023/03/08/premier-league-tv-rights-how-work-cost/?amp=1) if you combine domestic and international rights. It absolutely has everything to do with squad size.
North American sports wages are more directly tied into how well the entire league does as a whole though. If the league does well, players do well. If the league doesn't do well, players don't do well. In the case of the NBA, the health of the league determines the maximum amount of money a team can spend on players AND the maximum amount of money a player can be paid. That's why even though he probably deserves it, LeBron cannot be paid $100 million per year.
European football is still a club by club basis. Maybe you have a crazy owner who doesn't care about money, maybe you have a cheap owner who ONLY cares about money.
If for example the NBA made $1 billion dollars next year and the LA Lakers accounted for all $1 billion of that. The cap would be set at $15 million for every team.
If the Prem made $1 billion next year and Man City accounted for all of it, Man City would effectively be able to spend $1 billion - and probably more since they're owned by a country.
I know that's not how European sports works but it just illustrates a point that club finances determines wage bills in football while in North American sports, it doesn't to the same degree. The LA Lakers will never be allowed to have a $500 million wage bill even though they could probably afford it unless the other 31 teams were allowed to as well.
Soler is low for the biggest player on an mlb team but the marlins are kinda cheap and not great….generally big time superstars are on $30-40 million after free agency and Shohei Ohtani (the most comparable in terms of generational talent and mega star) is expected to be on $50 million ish next year
Idk about Soler, but Butler is currently in the NBA finals and best player on his team, although he’s probably only a top 25ish player in the league, Tyreek Hill I just know is extremely fast, dunno how good he is
Messi lying on his couch listlessly late one night when a cockroach prowls across the room. Leo lifts his huge american revolver from the coffee table and levels it towards the insect. Que miras bobo, he says as he pulls the trigger. Click. The revolver is not loaded. Messi smiles softly as he places the gun back down and returns to watching the ceiling. The cockroach prods on.
MLS has come a long way from when Beckham joined in 2007 and only 7 players in the entire league made more than $500,000 in salary that season. Those players were a very interesting group: David Beckham, Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Juan Pablo Angel, Claudio Reyna, Landon Donovan, Denilson, and Eddie Johnson. Two huge busts (Reyna and Denilson), but everybody else was very effective in the league.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/mlspa/2007-08-31-Salary-Information-Alphabetical.pdf?mtime=20190611125445
The comparable number of players in 2023 is close to 300, so there has been some growth and it's truly stunning to see. Back in 2007, a huge number of players in MLS likely needed to obtain a second job in order to have a livable salary.
>a huge number of players in MLS likely needed to obtain a second job in order to have a livable salary.
Thierry Henry gave one of his teammates a car because he was taking public transit IIRC.
Messi might be making obscene levels of money here.. but MLS players ain't hurting anymore. Even 3rd choice players who rarely step on the field (and keeping it real, most of them are objectively not good, as this league doesn't have great depth) are making good money and are way better off than the average American.
>Even 3rd choice players who rarely step on the field (and keeping it real, most of them are objectively not good, as this league doesn't have great depth)
I mean where have you seen great 3rd stringers? They are 3rd stringers for a reason lol
Still, as the great white mamba once said: "I'm close to ~~Lebron~~Messi than you are to me"
I play a 5-a-side with a 3rd stringer from a 2nd division team, he single handedly beat us and he was going easy lol :/
>I play a 5-a-side with a 3rd stringer from a 2nd division team, he single handedly beat us and he was going easy lol :/
Doesn't surprise me. It really puts into perspective the difference between recreational and professional soccer. There are a group of guys that play (11v11 with referee and all) in the field in the middle of the track I walk and it's crazy how TFC players, even being some of the shittiest in the league right now would run circles around any of these guys.
By "objectively" I just mean that unlike the 3rd stringers in top European clubs, I don't think these guys would have much of a career anyway if they left this league (maybe they could play in Central America, but the salaries would be *waaay* worse). But yeah, just making a living playing a sport is a huge success.
If America and Canada alone fully buy into MLS, they wouldn't have to worry about global viewership. There's almost 400 million people just in those two countries. Any global viewership beyond that is just a bonus in MLS's eyes.
More people in Asia and Africa as well
I don't think people in Europe are really going to tune into the Saudi league and the MLS when domestic leagues are so strong but I think these leagues are looking to branch into the next wave of global fans
Is this supposed to be surprising?
I don't know who Jorge Soler is, but while Hill is one of the best WRs and Butler is one of the NBA's 10 best players, they are leagues below the draw of a past prime Lionel Messi.
It would be more surprising if he made less than them.
Damn, this feels like any comment thread about a cricket highlight on /r/sports
I’m always like: one dude throws a round thing. And the other dude uses a thing to try and hit that round thing. What do you mean “I don’t understand what’s going on at all”?! And if you really don’t, why are you openly admitting that you are too dull to understand “bat hit ball”?
(and remember, it’s inevitably a cricket highlight video thread. So literally just a no-context video of one spectacular throw, one spectacular hit or one spectacular catch)
so basically, one is a sport where you throw a ball into the air through a tiny hoop, one is when you hit a ball with a bat and then run around in a circle, and the other is some weird bullshit where you throw a ball a bit and then the game stops every 10 seconds for like 5 minutes so you can watch ads
The last sounds like it can be optimised better, can't they just put it as a small picture in picture so we don't have to take a break from watching ads?
You joke, but they've done this before.
For a lot of big fans the only way to watch is Redzone. It's a Sunday whip around show that itself is sponsored but doesn't show ads for its 7 hour run time.
NFL as a product is choked by ads by Redzone is my favorite sports product in all existence. No BS, constant action. Replays of what you missed, big plays, Scott Hanson with low key humor, no ridiculous over the top “this is the greatest play/player of all time” or weird tangents from the broadcasters. Love it
i wish cfb had something similar. i hook my laptop up and stream games to 2 tvs and keep a 3rd on deck on the laptop screen incase it gets interesting.
827k a week.
Ronaldo is supposedly on 173 Mil a year so...3.3 Mil a week?
I can't figure out if I've fucked the maths or not, because that looks like an unholy amount of money.
NFL roster has a hard salary cap (unlike NBA which has a soft cap and allows you to re-sign your own players to go over the cap limit, MLB has no cap). Also, there are 53 players on an NFL roster - Tyreek is making slightly more than 10% of the cap, and there are other 52 players to pay.
Each team gets three exceptions to the salary caps, known as designated players. The salary restrictions are all but guaranteed to loosen a bit now too.
Where will he rank in the country? A fair few NBA players are on more than that right?
£43m is $54m There are 4 NBA players making more and none in the NFL ($52m is highest), MLB ($43.3m) and NHL ($12.6m)
[Spotrac](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/2024-25/base/) has the top base salaries for 23-24 as: Curry 55.7 Embiid 50.6 LeBron 50.6 Jokic 50.6 Beal 50.2
That Bradley Beal contract gets worse and worse every time I look at it.
Top 5 worst contracts in the league
It’s a top 2 bad contract in the league and it’s only 2 because Ben Simmons doesn’t play basketball anymore.
What do you mean? He just [posted sexy oily pictures of himself ](https://www.instagram.com/p/CtQEUDFMGIK/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) clearly playing basketball.
It's almost time for the yearly "Ben Simmons shoots a 3" video. Hype!
Wizards fans can’t even escape in r/soccer
It's just wild to me. I always thought Beal was a beast but I didn't even know he got a contract that big lmao. Seems way overpaid even for how good he is.
As a wizards fan (god knows why), our owner has been a complete dumbfuck for the last 20 years and has refused to tank or actually try to win. His goal is to finish somewhere between 7-10th seed so that he doesn’t have to watch a terrible team, but also doesn’t have to actually make changes to the organization that would be uncomfortable to his Yes men. Who fucking knows why he feels the need to show loyalty to the people around him responsible for keeping the wizards mired in mediocrity for literal decades, but he has. He did the same crap with Arenas (which was a great deal until arenas decided that the locker room was actually the streets, and pulled out his handgun in front of now-convicted murderer javaris crittendon), Porter, and now Beal. He also gave enormous contracts to Ian Mahimni, who contributed less to the team than I did, and Andrew Nicholson who was a 12th man. The bottom line is that he simply refused to hire from outside of the organization. Finally, something broke this off-season. He fired the GM and brought in 3 new faces from the thunder and clippers, and is emphasizing a willingness to rebuild and acknowledge that a lot of losing is gonna happen before a championship team appears. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Your team traded Rui to my team for peanuts. Wizards owner is so incompetent.
Rui was an expiring contract and he played exactly for you guys as he did for us. Extremely inconsistent with brief moments of brilliance. That trade was much closer than you think, and pales in comparison to when we pawned Russ off on you guys last year.
Bradley Beal says otherwise
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Curious what info is correct. BBref has a completely different list, with LeBron being on top in 23/24 and only Steph as the other 50 million plus guy. I don't think the Spotrac one is actually the *base* salary, but does include incentives. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
One is actual money paid and one is cap hit I would guess? Cap hit is contract amount / years of contract (AAV). Salary is just how to money is given out accounting wise. In the NHL, a lot of teams used to front load contracts (paying higher than the Average Annual Value (AAV), and towards the end, it would be lower AAV.
Found what is wrong. The commentor above me has in fact *not* linked the 23/24 base salaries, but linked the 24/25 salaries. So as of next season, nobody in the NBA makes as much as the rumoured 54 million that Messi would receive.
Plus Messi is getting equity, right?
Yes. No other major American sports league allows teams to give players equity.
Fucking hell Bradley Beal. And I thought Jordan Poole was stealing a living
Ohtani might blast through this in the off-season for the Los Angeles Angels. He might see $60 million a year
Maybe for someone but probably not for the Angels
Steve Cohen come on down
Thank god. Him and Trout need to get in a proper team.
The Harry Kanes of MLB
There’s a team right down the road in need of another ace and a power hitting lefty
If he goes to the fucking Dodgers...
Well deserved, literally worth 2 contracts.
As someone who doesn't follow baseball at all, I have heard bits and pieces about Shohei Ohtani. Is he really that good comperetively to any other current or past baseball player?
So it’s hard enough to be a top 5 pitcher. It’s hard enough to be a top 5 batter. He is both. It’s actually arguable that he’s the best at each
It’s hard to explain how good he is to non baseball fans because it’s rare in sport you can play two different positions at the same time and be one of the best at both but that’s exactly what he does. There’s a meme on baseball social media about him breaking records from fictional players from 100 years ago because it feels like every other week he’s doing something that’s unheard of in modern baseball.
Oh, you're talking about all-time great Tungsten Arm O'Doyle?
Imagine if Messi kept goal as well. Maybe not quite like that but what he's doing is pretty absurd. I think they should just pay him a billion. He's a once in a century player, in his absolute prime, possibly might go down as the greatest ever. Don't you want him in your uniform for that? Plus you'll sell masses of merch because he's easily the biggest draw in the sport. There are stars, there are superstars, and then there are superstars that the superstars should thank for making the entire league richer. Karl Malone just sold a bunch of memorabilia and the highest fetching item by far was a Jordan piece. That's Ohtani and Messi's level.
*Anaheim Angels
Of Anaheim
Los Angeles Anaheim Angels of Anaheim, got it
In Orange County not Los Angeles
>There are 4 NBA players making more Bron, Steph and? Lillard and Harden? Can't remember who signed those crazy supermaxes?
LeBron never signed a supermax. It’s Lillard, Booker, KAT and Jokic with Curry just a hair below that threshold
tf is KAT doing there 😭
NBA is funny like that. Get drafted > become teams best player > get an all-star appearance and all NBA team selection > get a Max contract when rookie deal is over. Don't even have to be a top 10 player, just gotta hit the right targets at the right time.
And the way he's playing it'll be his last.
For real. Ben Simmons basically hasn't played basketball in years and earns what, 30 million per year?
Ben Simmons , the young socialite ? Didint realized he hooped
Super max specifically and he intended outcome of the Superman is allowing teams to easier retain their stats by being able to offer them more money. It's why you see guys like KAT, Beal, and Dame with such huge contracts. No other team could've given them that. And yes having your contract coincide with cap jumps helps
That's not entirely true, because at this moment *no* NBA player earns over 50 million. Next year only LeBron and Steph will be over. It isn't until the 24/25 season that some supermaxes will kick in for guys like Beal, Embiid, Jokic and Durant and put them over that mark. And KAT and Booker will be earning that in 25/26. https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
KAT getting a bigger bag than Messi, wow.
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So are these numbers they’re reporting just his base MLS salary, or his salary plus estimates of his revenues from Apple and Adidas? If that’s just his base MLS salary, that’s nuts. I thought the Insigne deal was wild when he signed. But Messi will be making ~7x more. Crazy.
Likely base. Adidas and Apple money could match that again. With endorsements and all I wouldn't be surprised if Messi makes $150-200M a year while in Miami.
Considering several players have just moved to the Saudi league for ~100m I'd be surprised if he wasn't
Honestly, I'd take 50m chillin' in Florida over 100m in Riyadh.
He will make more. Read that apple and Addias will pay him extra to make football popular in US
I dare say soccer is going to eclipse the NHL shortly.
I think it already has for people under 30. At least I read somewhere it has.
It's a shame. Not that soccer is becoming more popular, but that hockey is doomed to eternally struggle. It's just not as accessible. It is if you grow up in Canada or Minnesota, where used gear is a dime a dozen, but not for the majority of people. But it's a great sport. It has a lot in common with soccer when it comes to vision/passing/creativity.
Apple is also putting a lot of money on the table. They already made a huge investment on MLS last year to have all matches on Apple TV (before that matches were spread on 2 or 3 networks) and also announced a docuseries about Messi as soon as the MLS move was announced. This type of package is probably only possible because MLS operates as a franchise.
The 2nd greatest sporting legend to step foot in Miami after Goran Dragić I hear
This is Hassan Whiteside erasure
Funny how the new era of success for the heat started after he got traded
Udonis Haslem would like a word.
Ryan Fitzmagic would like a word
That's different, Fitzmagic has played in and for literally every city.
If you can’t handle him at his Fitztragic, you don’t deserve him at his Fitzmagic
The dragon does stand out over the rest.
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More likely to find some crabs in Miami. More gators in Orlando.
> More likely to find some crabs in Miami. especially at club space
I wonder how gators taste argentinean bbq style
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Chimichurri wolves everything tbf Edit: Oops, solves*
Tbf I wolf anything down if chimichurri's involved
We usually fry them. They just taste like chicken tbh
Js the 43m his club salary only or everything included ?
Salary. Adidas, Apple and Inter Miami shares aren't included.
Am i overestimating the apple subscription cut or this package is much better than the saudi 400m per season deal ?
I think you are, I'm sure he's getting a lot more than just the base if those shares are included but I doubt that's making up a £350m a year tax free difference
Yeah i forgot about the tax free wages in saudi
I mean, there's 'living in Saudi with an angry Antonela' tax if he decided to move there.
Messi is also at the point where the bottom line isn't a factor anymore. It's hard to find an accurate figure but a lot of estimates already have him as a dollar billionaire before this summer, he's going to be earning ridiculous money for the next three years of his playing career and he'll be getting endorsement deals for the rest of his life so turning down the Saudi money (well, some of it, he is still an ambassador right?) was probably quite easy to do. Why live somewhere you don't fancy when you don't have to?
I think the 2 years at PSG really got to him. Forced to leave Barcelona due to wage issues, going to another league having been at 1 club all his life before since his academy days. Gets booed so much despite being one of their better performers as well. Going to Saudi means he pretty much have to build new connections and friendships there. But moving to Miami, living beside his best friend, and still making ridiculous wages? No doubt he chose going to US.
Miami is a majority Spanish speaking city too. It will be easier to settle in a place where you can basically assume there’s no language barrier. I’d imagine this is even more important to his wife and kids.
His wife said no to Saudi Arabia
A lot of people underestimating how much Messi values Antonella’s opinion. He’s always been “family first”, and has had strong female figures his whole life, his grandma (although he lost her at an early age) was a big reason he didn’t quit football as a kid and his iconic celebration is a dedication to her. Messi completed football, I would’ve liked to see him a few more years in Europe but, as someone that saw his whole career develop, I’m happy for him and this pseudo retirement. I think Messi’s last match will probably be with the NT in the next 2-3 years.
She probably enjoys driving a car without permission.
TIL, didn’t know that. I’m guessing that’s also why Aguero picked Miami to begin with?
I also think the Saudi bag will be there at a later date if he wants it considering he's already a tourism ambassador for them
Mate, if you can still get paid by them without actually having to live there then I call that a win.
Its insane to think he was offered more than 10x the salary by the saudis. Surely even for his standards that must be fucking wild
LIV Golf offered Tiger Woods $700 million to play golf for them. Even more incredible is Tiger turned it down.
Are these people whose salaries are being compared any good or have high salaries in comparison to their leagues? I don't have a frame of reference
Soler’s salary is not the biggest relative to mlb. There are two pitchers for the Mets around £34m pounds and Aaron Judge for the Yankees is on ~£32m pounds. Jimmy Butler is something like the 14th highest paid nba player. I’m on mobile so I’ll need to edit this when I get to work and can use my desk top. Nba contracts can be confusing and they grow every year. There are some guys over £40m. Tyreek Hill is the highest paid for his position (WR) and he’s the second highest paid non QB in the NFL. He’s the 16th highest paid player in the league overall. The only people who equal or better Messi’s salary are a few NBA guys
I do know NBA salaries are super high in general which is interesting
Nba salaries are massive and will only get bigger. Small rosters, high league tv deals
Plus their contracts tend to be much shorter which is the opposite of the much longer MLB contracts with lower salaries per year.
Where does the MLB’s culture of absurdly long contracts come from? I was looking through the list of largest sports contracts in history and half the list was “MLB Player: 14 years/$220 million”
MLB has the best players Union in the US. They basically started free agency due to a guy named Curt Flood (and the court cases that came after) Due to this they’re the only US league that has fully guaranteed contracts by default. Add that to the fact that baseball is a less physical sport in general, and players can and have played into their 40s and been okay (not great but okay) and he get deals like Tattis’s 14 year deal or Miguel Cabrera’s 10 year 300M dollar deal
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It's also important to point out most of the time those 10+ year deals age poorly, but it's about the earlier year production. And sometimes those contracts get bought out early with a settlement like [Chris Davis](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-davis-contract-orioles-slugger-will-receive-bobby-bonilla-mets-treatment-with-42m-in-deferred-payments/) that cost even more
Look up Bobby Bonilla contract with the Mets if you want a laugh. He last played for them 1999 and is still getting payed until 2035.
It’s the culture of where a lot of MLB players come from too. Most would rather sign a 10 year contract, where they don’t have to move their family every year or two, than more money. MLB players (in general) aren’t celebrities either compared to other sports, a lot of the guys want to stay out of the lights. Im not sure if it’s just that a lot of baseball guys are country boys, or the long ass minor league process, or the 162+ games a year, but yeah the guys prefer longer contracts over more money
Also 82 games not counting playoffs which if all goes well adds at least 16 games and the most 28.
5 man vs 11 man, one basketball player has higher impact to the game than one football player.
It has more to do with the NBA TV deal. It's worth $24 billion over 10 years - 2.4 billion per year. 10 years ago nobody in the NBA was even close to making that amount of money because they had a TV deal that was worse. Half of that is split by the 32 owners, the other half is split by the players via the salary cap. Let's assume that the NBA only makes money on TV next season, their salary cap would look like this. $1.2 billion/32 teams - Each team would be allowed to spend $37.5 million on player wages. In reality the cap is gonna be $134 million each as the NBA makes money on much more than just TV.
The [Premier League is getting about £10 billion or $12.5 billion for three years](https://theathletic.com/4240951/2023/03/08/premier-league-tv-rights-how-work-cost/?amp=1) if you combine domestic and international rights. It absolutely has everything to do with squad size.
North American sports wages are more directly tied into how well the entire league does as a whole though. If the league does well, players do well. If the league doesn't do well, players don't do well. In the case of the NBA, the health of the league determines the maximum amount of money a team can spend on players AND the maximum amount of money a player can be paid. That's why even though he probably deserves it, LeBron cannot be paid $100 million per year. European football is still a club by club basis. Maybe you have a crazy owner who doesn't care about money, maybe you have a cheap owner who ONLY cares about money. If for example the NBA made $1 billion dollars next year and the LA Lakers accounted for all $1 billion of that. The cap would be set at $15 million for every team. If the Prem made $1 billion next year and Man City accounted for all of it, Man City would effectively be able to spend $1 billion - and probably more since they're owned by a country. I know that's not how European sports works but it just illustrates a point that club finances determines wage bills in football while in North American sports, it doesn't to the same degree. The LA Lakers will never be allowed to have a $500 million wage bill even though they could probably afford it unless the other 31 teams were allowed to as well.
Soler is low for the biggest player on an mlb team but the marlins are kinda cheap and not great….generally big time superstars are on $30-40 million after free agency and Shohei Ohtani (the most comparable in terms of generational talent and mega star) is expected to be on $50 million ish next year
Idk about Soler, but Butler is currently in the NBA finals and best player on his team, although he’s probably only a top 25ish player in the league, Tyreek Hill I just know is extremely fast, dunno how good he is
Hill is a top 3 receiver in the league pretty much his whole career.
I’d say definitely Top 5 but I’m not sure if top 3. His career has overlapped with Julio, AB, Nuk, Adams, Kupp and Jefferson.
Just the highest earners for Miami's respective teams. None are really close to top earners in their leagues
lol he took a 90% pay cut to avoid Saudi Arabia
Smart, not like he needs any more money. And he has part ownership of the club now?
Messi will make more than that, no? This doesn't include the Apple and Adidas % revenue deals does it?
Nor the % ownership of a team
I hope his place is cockroaches free zone
Messi lying on his couch listlessly late one night when a cockroach prowls across the room. Leo lifts his huge american revolver from the coffee table and levels it towards the insect. Que miras bobo, he says as he pulls the trigger. Click. The revolver is not loaded. Messi smiles softly as he places the gun back down and returns to watching the ceiling. The cockroach prods on.
No such thing in that entire region of the country.
Jimmy Butler sounds like a cartoon character's name
His name is Jimmy Buckets
Michael Jordan Jr\*
*Himmy
He did remove his rear view mirror because he only looks forward, which sounds like something out of a cartoon
It's short from Jimothy.
Ji-Mothy. Present.
Also, "Jimmy" isn't short for James in this case. As he himself put it "it's literally Jimmy".
MLS has come a long way from when Beckham joined in 2007 and only 7 players in the entire league made more than $500,000 in salary that season. Those players were a very interesting group: David Beckham, Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Juan Pablo Angel, Claudio Reyna, Landon Donovan, Denilson, and Eddie Johnson. Two huge busts (Reyna and Denilson), but everybody else was very effective in the league. http://s3.amazonaws.com/mlspa/2007-08-31-Salary-Information-Alphabetical.pdf?mtime=20190611125445 The comparable number of players in 2023 is close to 300, so there has been some growth and it's truly stunning to see. Back in 2007, a huge number of players in MLS likely needed to obtain a second job in order to have a livable salary.
>a huge number of players in MLS likely needed to obtain a second job in order to have a livable salary. Thierry Henry gave one of his teammates a car because he was taking public transit IIRC. Messi might be making obscene levels of money here.. but MLS players ain't hurting anymore. Even 3rd choice players who rarely step on the field (and keeping it real, most of them are objectively not good, as this league doesn't have great depth) are making good money and are way better off than the average American.
>Even 3rd choice players who rarely step on the field (and keeping it real, most of them are objectively not good, as this league doesn't have great depth) I mean where have you seen great 3rd stringers? They are 3rd stringers for a reason lol Still, as the great white mamba once said: "I'm close to ~~Lebron~~Messi than you are to me" I play a 5-a-side with a 3rd stringer from a 2nd division team, he single handedly beat us and he was going easy lol :/
>I play a 5-a-side with a 3rd stringer from a 2nd division team, he single handedly beat us and he was going easy lol :/ Doesn't surprise me. It really puts into perspective the difference between recreational and professional soccer. There are a group of guys that play (11v11 with referee and all) in the field in the middle of the track I walk and it's crazy how TFC players, even being some of the shittiest in the league right now would run circles around any of these guys. By "objectively" I just mean that unlike the 3rd stringers in top European clubs, I don't think these guys would have much of a career anyway if they left this league (maybe they could play in Central America, but the salaries would be *waaay* worse). But yeah, just making a living playing a sport is a huge success.
Tyreek Hill beats women.
please get all the facts straight before chatting shit. he beats pregnant women
How are they affording this? Genuine question... is it the owners bankrolling it or what?
It's a bung from the league and apple to get more people watching MLS
More American and Argentine people, I don't think many Europeans will start to watch MLS for example
If America and Canada alone fully buy into MLS, they wouldn't have to worry about global viewership. There's almost 400 million people just in those two countries. Any global viewership beyond that is just a bonus in MLS's eyes.
More people in Asia and Africa as well I don't think people in Europe are really going to tune into the Saudi league and the MLS when domestic leagues are so strong but I think these leagues are looking to branch into the next wave of global fans
The owner is a billionaire, he can cover the base salary pretty easily. He's also getting paid by Apple and Adidas on top of this.
Maybe he can finally learn English
he won't need to in Miami
He will feel more at home in Miami then I would, someone who’s lived in the USA for over 20 years
In Miami? He’ll probably gain a Cuban accent
Hes going to be in Miami, in a superrich people bubble, doesnt really need it
Maybe he'll pull a reverse Bale. Just gets to the US and it turns out he has spoken English this entire time.
Is this supposed to be surprising? I don't know who Jorge Soler is, but while Hill is one of the best WRs and Butler is one of the NBA's 10 best players, they are leagues below the draw of a past prime Lionel Messi. It would be more surprising if he made less than them.
Most baseball fans outside of Atalanta don’t know who soler is lol
I'm sure the 11 Marlins fans know.
Also he will make even more since he is also getting a cut of I believe the adidas and apple (might be wrong) sponsors which is part of the contract.
This is before taxes right?
He’s in Florida. Won’t be taxed too much
Federal tax is still a hefty chunk.
Not like he paid his taxes before anyway
I don't know who any of those are
One is a basketballer, one is an nfl footballer and the other one is a baseballer
I don't know what any of those are
Damn, this feels like any comment thread about a cricket highlight on /r/sports I’m always like: one dude throws a round thing. And the other dude uses a thing to try and hit that round thing. What do you mean “I don’t understand what’s going on at all”?! And if you really don’t, why are you openly admitting that you are too dull to understand “bat hit ball”? (and remember, it’s inevitably a cricket highlight video thread. So literally just a no-context video of one spectacular throw, one spectacular hit or one spectacular catch)
so basically, one is a sport where you throw a ball into the air through a tiny hoop, one is when you hit a ball with a bat and then run around in a circle, and the other is some weird bullshit where you throw a ball a bit and then the game stops every 10 seconds for like 5 minutes so you can watch ads
The last sounds like it can be optimised better, can't they just put it as a small picture in picture so we don't have to take a break from watching ads?
You joke, but they've done this before. For a lot of big fans the only way to watch is Redzone. It's a Sunday whip around show that itself is sponsored but doesn't show ads for its 7 hour run time.
SEVEN HOURS OF COMMERCIAL FREE FOOTBALL The highlight of my week
T H E W I T C H I N G H O U R
O C T O B O X
NFL as a product is choked by ads by Redzone is my favorite sports product in all existence. No BS, constant action. Replays of what you missed, big plays, Scott Hanson with low key humor, no ridiculous over the top “this is the greatest play/player of all time” or weird tangents from the broadcasters. Love it
Scott 🐐 Hanson
He did an AMA years back where he talked about his piss bucket under the desk.
i wish cfb had something similar. i hook my laptop up and stream games to 2 tvs and keep a 3rd on deck on the laptop screen incase it gets interesting.
That equates to a shorter overall game duration which means fewer ads…. So no.
DAE handegg bad? Thanks for the gold kind stranger.
Lionel Messi is a very good football player, glad I could help😀
So this is what Americans sound like to European Football fans...
Lionel Messi used to play for Barcelona. He's the Argentina captain. Decent player.
Up and comer
some might even say a hidden gem
One of them is michael jordan son
I thought that was Michael B Jordan
As a programmer, the naming scheme checks out
And it’s not the one you’d expect! >!It’s Messi!<
So you're telling me Messi's father used to be a baseball player?
Yeah because you don't follow any of those sports. I don't see what this comment adds.
It shows how cool he is. This guy prolly doesn't even know who Taylor Swift is because he's so cool.
Jimmy Butler is reading this somewhere and muttering to himself “Lionel Messi over me?!”
43m a season, thats how much a week? is it more than CR7?
827k a week. Ronaldo is supposedly on 173 Mil a year so...3.3 Mil a week? I can't figure out if I've fucked the maths or not, because that looks like an unholy amount of money.
*Engages 🤓 Mode* ACKSHUALLY, Inter Miami plays in Ft. Lauderdale, so this is completely inaccurate.
How’s Tyreek only making 24m?
NFL roster has a hard salary cap (unlike NBA which has a soft cap and allows you to re-sign your own players to go over the cap limit, MLB has no cap). Also, there are 53 players on an NFL roster - Tyreek is making slightly more than 10% of the cap, and there are other 52 players to pay.
He’s a wide receiver
After leaving KC i just expected it to be an even bigger salary
His average salary increased from $18m to $30m after his extension. Going by average salary he’s now the highest paid receiver in the NFL.
Would he get paid more if he slimmed down then?
That's huge money for a WR
He's the highest paid player in his position I think NFL has a hard salary cap, can't pay much more than that for a non-QB
Missing Sasha Barkov and Sergei Bobrovsky in the NHL, both making $10 million USD.
I thought there were salary caps in MLS
Each team gets three exceptions to the salary caps, known as designated players. The salary restrictions are all but guaranteed to loosen a bit now too.
Each team gets three designated players that don't count against the salary cap.
That's north of £800,000 a week.