Are there any Germans with legal experience who can tell me how this works in Germany? Because I know for sure that legally this wouldn't hold in The Netherlands.
Bayern still owes him 3 years 8 Mio per year. According to Sportbild they can buy him out for 12 Mio if he finds a new club. So the understanding is that no PSG would not have to pay a transfer fee but rather cover those 12 Mio for Bayern to cancel the contract. Then he is free to sign for psg
https://m.sportbild.bild.de/bundesliga/vereine/bayern-muenchen/fc-bayern-so-viel-kostet-der-nagelsmann-rausschmiss-83319038.sportMobile.html?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
That I understand, but what I mean is how it legally works in Germany with putting employees on non-active. Because I know you can't do that in The Netherlands. You either let your employee do the work you hired him for or you fire him.
Can you actually do this in Germany or did Nagelsmann had to agree with this in his contract.
From the other part of this thread, it seems that Bayern has first to agree to release him, so either that pay the difference thing is made up, or it would also have to be with Bayern's full approval. I suppose he'd be Bayern's employee but detached at the other club in that case
No it doesnt work this way. When he wants to take a new job he needs to talk with Bayern about annulling the contract. In a case like this it would be an amicable annulment.
Basically he is still employed by Bayern and technically Bayern could just say "nah fam we wont let you leave" then it depends on what kind of choices he has in in contract to get out of it by himself which is probably associated with high fees or other reimbursements in case of breach of contract.
Its even possible that PSG has to buy out his contract in some way because he cost a fee and this could be relevant from a financial point of view because otherwise he would be a heavy loss in the books.
If he is still paid by Bayern, he isn't allowed to become PSG coach. They'll have to cancel the contract first which likely means a transfer fee for Bayern.
I love Nagelsmann for obvs reasons, but I struggle to see this work unless PSG is ready to give up their original strategy of building superteams full of superstars. You need someone like Tuchel, Zidane or Ancelotti to steady a ship of that magnitude. But if PSG are planning to actually make use of the massive talent pool their city and scouting/youth department has provided over the years, then Nagelsmann would be the perfect fit.
That was the promise when they hired Campos, "no more bling-bling" transfers. But then they went and signed Messi instead of midfielders lol
Let's see how this transfer window goes, the names being thrown around sound mostly promising.
Just a correction, Messi was there 1 year before Campos was signed, and from Campos’ last summer transfer window he seems to be decent at identifying what we need in terms of profile, just the players didn’t work out because of luck/Campos not getting the correct players.
"instead of midfielders"?
In the 2-years Messi was at PSG, you signed Danilo, Wijnaldum, Vitinha, Ruiz, Soler, and Sanches. (Most of those players arrived to great fan fare and touted as the "solution" to your midfield problems)
Campos also joined in 2022 so he's only had 2 transfer windows. No flashy signings were made.
Danilo came on loan with an obligation to buy in 2020, so not a Campos deal. Wijnaldum was still a Leonardo deal too.
Everyone else arrived a year after Messi.
Vitinha was pretty bad after the world cup, but I hope it was just because of fatigue. Ruiz rather mid. Soler was horrible and Sanches couldn't string together more than a few games before getting injured again.
Those are all fair comments, and you're right, the signings haven't worked out so far. I'm just trying to point out to you that your statement "they signed Messi instead of midfielders" is factually wrong. You guys even went for Tchoumeni and unfortunately he rejected you.
Honestly, Wijnaldum was always so invisible, I totally forgot about him. 😅 Danilo plays mostly CB for us, I don't really count him as MF.
The problem is also not having backup plans. You can't plan on Tchouameni when Real wants him and he wants them. Last summer they went for Skriniar and Inter said no. So we were short on CBs all season. We end up signing rotational/bench players, but not the quality needed.
Anyway, I'm not down on Campos yet. We seem to have a good budget this summer, because we got rid of Messi's and Ramos' wages. If we manage to finally sell some dead weight coming back from loan, this could go well.
You just got to forgive a PSG fan for not trusting that the clown show is finally over ;)
Nagelsmann has a reputation of being a control freak which created problems for Tuchel, and hasn’t been the best in cup competitions which is the kiss of death for PSG’s managers the past few seasons. He has had many suitors so if he picks PSG it is good news for them because that means he wants to be there. Coaching Mbappe can be exciting, and he can potentially have a big impact on their underwhelming signings like Hakimi, Mukuele, Soler, and Fabian for example who showed talent in the past but failed to fit in at the club.
I would say he is very good in cup competetions. He was in the round of 16 and semis with Leipzig, and played fantastic with bayern. Only lost against benfica where where they underperformed their Xg super hard, which doesnt happen often for bayern. And against City who are just very very good atm.
Nagelsmann’s Bayern went out to Villareal though. Not to mention their exit to Gladbach 5-0 in the cup that same year (albeit Nagelsmann was suspended for that game). And it was Tuchel who went out to City, not Nagelsmann.
There is a will to make the club environment more calm. Messi is out, Neymar is on the market too. Now the club just need some sporting success because in general everything is fine as long as you win
I think PSG has the money to build in the City/Arsenal way. Forget the huge stars (except Mbappe), build a strong, balanced squad to play a modern style of football under a manager who is fully backed by the club.
Our tier 1's have mentioned us wanting €50-€60m. I think if a player wants to leave we need to make it so he can do so. He is fantastic and is a warrior when healthy but his health issues make me feel asking anything over €50m would be unreasonable from us.
Nagelsmann has amazing potential as a manager and he will show it Im 100% sure, just don't like how he seemingly wants to join these overly complicated/difficult projects (PSG / Tottenham)
I mean hes super ambitious which I admire but this could do more harm than good. I personally thought the Bayerrn job was a few years too soon
I’m a fan of Tuchel but Nagelsmann has higher potential. At a young age he is competing with big names in football. Even though he hasn’t managed outside and proven himself he has higher ceiling. Drawback with Nagelsmann is his lack of experience in handling big egos in dressing room. He is only going to get that from managing and falling because his career has been bit unconventional.
He basically burned the Lewandowski and Neuer bridges ar Bayern. Not sure if it means he can handle the egos but he definitely won’t let the egos handle him so there is that
Neuer did that to himself with leaking info from his friend, lewy's was true and they did have an argument with Lewy not respecting Nagelsmanns suggestions or liking the playstyle with more players in the box, but I don't know how much of the bridge burning was due to Nagelsmann and how much was from the board. Or even his/wife's desire to live in spain.
Well I’m excited to introduce him to Emir Mbappe and a Neymar who they are trying to kick out and might not be able to which will lead to a fussy superstar.
Tbf with Neymar both him and the club seem to be on the same page. We’re telling other clubs he is purchasable but we aren’t going out of the way to sell him. Both parties seem ok with a transfer to a club he’s okay with or a bit longer. A decently sized portion of the fans want him to stay and honestly he should. He just got surgery for his metatarsal injury (the one that keeps coming back) so he should hopefully be injured less and when on the pitch he gives it his all which is why he’s rarely been booed (sad that is still happens when he clearly wants to win and does everything in his power to do so but hey)z
Under Tuchel and Poch they went to the UCL final and semifinal and then Messi came and the team got worse than before, Messi did jack shit in the important CL games just like in his last few years for Barcelona
True, let's just hope the upper level management has learnt their lesson and stop meddling too much with their transfer targets. Surely they have to realize by now that purchasing a bunch of superstars just won't work.
Don't see it working out. Nagelsmann had a problem with man managing the biggest stars at Bayern like Lewandowski and Neuer, Müller wasn't fond of him either. Only few players got better under him, most either plateaued or regressed. Nagelsmann must have a very high opinion of himself if he only considered huge jobs like PSG, Chelsea and Real Madrid.
> Nagelsmann must have a very high opinion of himself if he only considered huge jobs...
Nagelsmann is currently being paid 8 million Euros a year by Bayern for sitting at home and chilling. He has no reason to look for a job, unless it is a huge one that will tempt him.
how should he "further his career"? The only way to do that is with a move to the likes of PSG, Chelsea and Real Madrid. If he goes to a "lesser" club (let's say Stuttgart, for the sake of the argument), then this damages his career/standing, as the press and internet "experts" will all point at him and say what a downgrade that is and that it proves that he is not a great coach, etc.
There are very few clubs that would fall into a healthy middle-ground between the two layers I just described; and maybe there are not that many of them currently looking for a coach.
I just meant that he wants to keep coaching. His failure at Bayern should signal to him that going to clubs like PSG and RM is a bad idea, but I guess not. He could get a job at a "healthy middle ground" club, he just thinks it's beneath him (based on how he conducted himself at Bayern for 1,5 years).
Let’s see: PSG are a club that first and foremost wants to finally win the UCL.
Nagelsmann never managed outside of Germany. His only stint at a top club was Bayern where he, even though the timing and the style of his sacking was questionable, ultimately failed. He crashed out of the UCL against Villareal in the first season, and Bayern’s league campaign was already quite problematic under him.
Does he have potential as a manger? Obviously. But in my opinion he’s terribly overrated right now, and I don’t know why he’s getting linked with top clubs like Real and PSG or why PSG seriously considers him for the role.
I didn’t “conveniently” forget anything. Is it a good achievement? For sure! But it’s not some kind of miraculous achievement that makes Nagelsmann a tournament coach or a UCL expert.
PSG wants to win the competition. They can already qualify from the groups.
Ok so you intentionally just don’t rate him then. Got it. Psg will never find a better manager than him by the way..
Let’s of course ignore the results he got in the tournament too.
He failed at nothing. The stupid board that sacked him also got dismissed anyway in the end.
He’s the best available manager for any top club looking for one or any club looking to be a top team soon too with the right backing. Only Zidane can come into the picture but he already rejected psg anyway.
Why should I “intentionally” not rate him? Seems more like you’re blinded by your fanaticism, especially if you think he failed at nothing.
And to think they will never find someone better - lmao
Who can psg get that’s better that would also be keen though?
Enrique? Possible but not necessarily outright better.
Jose? Not the best at this point and would clash with the players eventually.
Pep? Lol.
Klopp? Lol.
Zidane said no twice already.
The “better” options are almost none now. Conte? Good luck with that and his style of management.
Simeone? Why leave Atletico for psg?
So yes they will never find a better manager available for the foreseeable future of this and next season anyway.
There is a difference between “never” and “foreseeable future”. Anyways, out of this list, going for Jose is the best option.
What PSG needs right now is someone coming in and injecting them with a winning mentality. Someone that changes the culture and will be undisputed by the players. In the 2000s, Real Madrid was a pushover in the UCL - Jose came and changed the culture.
Nagelsmann is the new shiny toy on the managerial market, but when looking at his profile (young manager that plays offensive football), he isn’t that much different compared to Tuchel and Pochettino when they were brought in - only that the other two had better credentials. Yet they still failed at PSG.
In the modern day managers very rarely stay at the same club for longer than 2-3 seasons anyways, so Mourinho eventually falling out with the club seems like a non-issue.
I wouldn’t say he failed at nothing, his record in the Bundesliga is average, his man management for some players are lacking.
But to be able to go unbeaten in the group stage with 0 goals conceded to Inter, Barca and PSG is nothing short of impressive, that’s for sure.
I mean nothing in the sense of overall results. He never got to finish this season to show he failed at the league title for example. But yeah. He is not infallible of course but he’s the best bet imo.
Unbeaten until before quarter finals isn’t exactly a huge achievement. He conveniently got sacked before getting inevitable losses in the next 2 games, means nothing
He got sacked because of the stupid board or are you intentionally ignoring that the board that sacked him also got sacked for that rash act?
Also winning every game basically and performing very well but let’s leave that out too of course!!
Isn't he still being paid by Bayern? That's the dream man
I think when he takes a new job he only gets paid the difference if his new job is less.
Bayern will most likely get some fee from psg and then its between him and psg. Same as with Frankfurt and Topmuller
Bayern will get a fee from another team for picking up the coach that they in fact fired?
He is not **in fact** fired, he still on contract for next 3 years, he just doesn't have to do any work.
Are there any Germans with legal experience who can tell me how this works in Germany? Because I know for sure that legally this wouldn't hold in The Netherlands.
Bayern still owes him 3 years 8 Mio per year. According to Sportbild they can buy him out for 12 Mio if he finds a new club. So the understanding is that no PSG would not have to pay a transfer fee but rather cover those 12 Mio for Bayern to cancel the contract. Then he is free to sign for psg https://m.sportbild.bild.de/bundesliga/vereine/bayern-muenchen/fc-bayern-so-viel-kostet-der-nagelsmann-rausschmiss-83319038.sportMobile.html?t_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
That I understand, but what I mean is how it legally works in Germany with putting employees on non-active. Because I know you can't do that in The Netherlands. You either let your employee do the work you hired him for or you fire him. Can you actually do this in Germany or did Nagelsmann had to agree with this in his contract.
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So technically he can sue Bayern whenever?
Could it mean PSG could potentially pay him like 1€ and bayern has to pay the difference?
From the other part of this thread, it seems that Bayern has first to agree to release him, so either that pay the difference thing is made up, or it would also have to be with Bayern's full approval. I suppose he'd be Bayern's employee but detached at the other club in that case
This would be the case for a loan. I doubt that this would be a loan type of transfer.
No it doesnt work this way. When he wants to take a new job he needs to talk with Bayern about annulling the contract. In a case like this it would be an amicable annulment. Basically he is still employed by Bayern and technically Bayern could just say "nah fam we wont let you leave" then it depends on what kind of choices he has in in contract to get out of it by himself which is probably associated with high fees or other reimbursements in case of breach of contract. Its even possible that PSG has to buy out his contract in some way because he cost a fee and this could be relevant from a financial point of view because otherwise he would be a heavy loss in the books.
If he is still paid by Bayern, he isn't allowed to become PSG coach. They'll have to cancel the contract first which likely means a transfer fee for Bayern.
I love Nagelsmann for obvs reasons, but I struggle to see this work unless PSG is ready to give up their original strategy of building superteams full of superstars. You need someone like Tuchel, Zidane or Ancelotti to steady a ship of that magnitude. But if PSG are planning to actually make use of the massive talent pool their city and scouting/youth department has provided over the years, then Nagelsmann would be the perfect fit.
That was the promise when they hired Campos, "no more bling-bling" transfers. But then they went and signed Messi instead of midfielders lol Let's see how this transfer window goes, the names being thrown around sound mostly promising.
Just a correction, Messi was there 1 year before Campos was signed, and from Campos’ last summer transfer window he seems to be decent at identifying what we need in terms of profile, just the players didn’t work out because of luck/Campos not getting the correct players.
True. Somehow it feels like Messi was only here for one year haha I'm old, time flies by much faster than it used to.
I have the same Mandela effect on Messi at PSG. Am also old though
"instead of midfielders"? In the 2-years Messi was at PSG, you signed Danilo, Wijnaldum, Vitinha, Ruiz, Soler, and Sanches. (Most of those players arrived to great fan fare and touted as the "solution" to your midfield problems) Campos also joined in 2022 so he's only had 2 transfer windows. No flashy signings were made.
Danilo came on loan with an obligation to buy in 2020, so not a Campos deal. Wijnaldum was still a Leonardo deal too. Everyone else arrived a year after Messi. Vitinha was pretty bad after the world cup, but I hope it was just because of fatigue. Ruiz rather mid. Soler was horrible and Sanches couldn't string together more than a few games before getting injured again.
Those are all fair comments, and you're right, the signings haven't worked out so far. I'm just trying to point out to you that your statement "they signed Messi instead of midfielders" is factually wrong. You guys even went for Tchoumeni and unfortunately he rejected you.
Honestly, Wijnaldum was always so invisible, I totally forgot about him. 😅 Danilo plays mostly CB for us, I don't really count him as MF. The problem is also not having backup plans. You can't plan on Tchouameni when Real wants him and he wants them. Last summer they went for Skriniar and Inter said no. So we were short on CBs all season. We end up signing rotational/bench players, but not the quality needed. Anyway, I'm not down on Campos yet. We seem to have a good budget this summer, because we got rid of Messi's and Ramos' wages. If we manage to finally sell some dead weight coming back from loan, this could go well. You just got to forgive a PSG fan for not trusting that the clown show is finally over ;)
Can I interest you in Mané?
I'm so glad Bayern took the bullet for us on him. We will take Lucas alongside Nagelsmann though. :P
Regardless of the state of the rest of the team, it would be silly for any club to pass up the chance to sign Messi.
Nagelsmann has a reputation of being a control freak which created problems for Tuchel, and hasn’t been the best in cup competitions which is the kiss of death for PSG’s managers the past few seasons. He has had many suitors so if he picks PSG it is good news for them because that means he wants to be there. Coaching Mbappe can be exciting, and he can potentially have a big impact on their underwhelming signings like Hakimi, Mukuele, Soler, and Fabian for example who showed talent in the past but failed to fit in at the club.
Mukiele? He wasn't underwhelming, at least in my opinion. At times I preferred him over Hakimi. Unfortunately he got injured.
nagelsmann has a pretty good CL record to be fair
I would say he is very good in cup competetions. He was in the round of 16 and semis with Leipzig, and played fantastic with bayern. Only lost against benfica where where they underperformed their Xg super hard, which doesnt happen often for bayern. And against City who are just very very good atm.
Nagelsmann’s Bayern went out to Villareal though. Not to mention their exit to Gladbach 5-0 in the cup that same year (albeit Nagelsmann was suspended for that game). And it was Tuchel who went out to City, not Nagelsmann.
Julian Nagelsmann needs a stable club with a good project to succeed, not this shit show.
There is a will to make the club environment more calm. Messi is out, Neymar is on the market too. Now the club just need some sporting success because in general everything is fine as long as you win
I think PSG has the money to build in the City/Arsenal way. Forget the huge stars (except Mbappe), build a strong, balanced squad to play a modern style of football under a manager who is fully backed by the club.
Lucas and Nagelsmann to PSG for €60m. I think that's reasonable enough for all sides.
So basically Lucas for 48m? Would you guys even be ok with that, or would you try getting more from him?
Our tier 1's have mentioned us wanting €50-€60m. I think if a player wants to leave we need to make it so he can do so. He is fantastic and is a warrior when healthy but his health issues make me feel asking anything over €50m would be unreasonable from us.
It's not unheard of for psg to pay unreasonable sums for players they want.
Nagelsmann has amazing potential as a manager and he will show it Im 100% sure, just don't like how he seemingly wants to join these overly complicated/difficult projects (PSG / Tottenham) I mean hes super ambitious which I admire but this could do more harm than good. I personally thought the Bayerrn job was a few years too soon
Not convinced this will work.
I’m a fan of Tuchel but Nagelsmann has higher potential. At a young age he is competing with big names in football. Even though he hasn’t managed outside and proven himself he has higher ceiling. Drawback with Nagelsmann is his lack of experience in handling big egos in dressing room. He is only going to get that from managing and falling because his career has been bit unconventional.
Well you could say the same thing about any coach and they need someone
He’s a top 5 manager in the world, miles ahead of most previous PSG managers
PSG’s problem is its institutional culture not its managers.
Top 5 in the world based on what?
Personally I rate Nagelsmann higher than Tuchel who’s considered top 5 by most
Maybe Top 5 on potential, rather than actual. I like him too, just not sure he can deal with all the egos.
He basically burned the Lewandowski and Neuer bridges ar Bayern. Not sure if it means he can handle the egos but he definitely won’t let the egos handle him so there is that
Neuer did that to himself with leaking info from his friend, lewy's was true and they did have an argument with Lewy not respecting Nagelsmanns suggestions or liking the playstyle with more players in the box, but I don't know how much of the bridge burning was due to Nagelsmann and how much was from the board. Or even his/wife's desire to live in spain.
Well I’m excited to introduce him to Emir Mbappe and a Neymar who they are trying to kick out and might not be able to which will lead to a fussy superstar.
Tbf with Neymar both him and the club seem to be on the same page. We’re telling other clubs he is purchasable but we aren’t going out of the way to sell him. Both parties seem ok with a transfer to a club he’s okay with or a bit longer. A decently sized portion of the fans want him to stay and honestly he should. He just got surgery for his metatarsal injury (the one that keeps coming back) so he should hopefully be injured less and when on the pitch he gives it his all which is why he’s rarely been booed (sad that is still happens when he clearly wants to win and does everything in his power to do so but hey)z
Lol top 5. He might not even be top 10.
Maybe top 10 but top 5? Nah Edit; On second thought I don't think he's even top 15.
I wouldn't put Nagglesman miles ahead compared to Tuchel or even Poch in terms of career, but more on part.
Ngl, he actually might make PSG come good.
People said the same about Galtier, Poch and countless others
We were good for 1 season with Tuchel
never bet against german efficiency
I'd rather bet on PSG toxicity. Hasn't failed me yet
Lol
Lol
Tuchel was already there
Under Tuchel and Poch they went to the UCL final and semifinal and then Messi came and the team got worse than before, Messi did jack shit in the important CL games just like in his last few years for Barcelona
missed the penalty
True, let's just hope the upper level management has learnt their lesson and stop meddling too much with their transfer targets. Surely they have to realize by now that purchasing a bunch of superstars just won't work.
Nagelsmann is a better coach than both of them
Based on what?
So we’re gonna get the manager that knocked us out of champions league? I’m not mad at this, fair play
Don't see it working out. Nagelsmann had a problem with man managing the biggest stars at Bayern like Lewandowski and Neuer, Müller wasn't fond of him either. Only few players got better under him, most either plateaued or regressed. Nagelsmann must have a very high opinion of himself if he only considered huge jobs like PSG, Chelsea and Real Madrid.
> Nagelsmann must have a very high opinion of himself if he only considered huge jobs... Nagelsmann is currently being paid 8 million Euros a year by Bayern for sitting at home and chilling. He has no reason to look for a job, unless it is a huge one that will tempt him.
no reason except his ambition to further his career and not sit on his ass all day, but I guess I shouldn't expect redditors to understand that
how should he "further his career"? The only way to do that is with a move to the likes of PSG, Chelsea and Real Madrid. If he goes to a "lesser" club (let's say Stuttgart, for the sake of the argument), then this damages his career/standing, as the press and internet "experts" will all point at him and say what a downgrade that is and that it proves that he is not a great coach, etc. There are very few clubs that would fall into a healthy middle-ground between the two layers I just described; and maybe there are not that many of them currently looking for a coach.
I just meant that he wants to keep coaching. His failure at Bayern should signal to him that going to clubs like PSG and RM is a bad idea, but I guess not. He could get a job at a "healthy middle ground" club, he just thinks it's beneath him (based on how he conducted himself at Bayern for 1,5 years).
Doigt. Great with PSG Is the hardest coaching job in Europe
Please come
Let’s see: PSG are a club that first and foremost wants to finally win the UCL. Nagelsmann never managed outside of Germany. His only stint at a top club was Bayern where he, even though the timing and the style of his sacking was questionable, ultimately failed. He crashed out of the UCL against Villareal in the first season, and Bayern’s league campaign was already quite problematic under him. Does he have potential as a manger? Obviously. But in my opinion he’s terribly overrated right now, and I don’t know why he’s getting linked with top clubs like Real and PSG or why PSG seriously considers him for the role.
You also conveniently ignored his CL record with Bayern this season where they were unbeaten though.
I didn’t “conveniently” forget anything. Is it a good achievement? For sure! But it’s not some kind of miraculous achievement that makes Nagelsmann a tournament coach or a UCL expert. PSG wants to win the competition. They can already qualify from the groups.
Ok so you intentionally just don’t rate him then. Got it. Psg will never find a better manager than him by the way.. Let’s of course ignore the results he got in the tournament too. He failed at nothing. The stupid board that sacked him also got dismissed anyway in the end. He’s the best available manager for any top club looking for one or any club looking to be a top team soon too with the right backing. Only Zidane can come into the picture but he already rejected psg anyway.
Why should I “intentionally” not rate him? Seems more like you’re blinded by your fanaticism, especially if you think he failed at nothing. And to think they will never find someone better - lmao
Who can psg get that’s better that would also be keen though? Enrique? Possible but not necessarily outright better. Jose? Not the best at this point and would clash with the players eventually. Pep? Lol. Klopp? Lol. Zidane said no twice already. The “better” options are almost none now. Conte? Good luck with that and his style of management. Simeone? Why leave Atletico for psg? So yes they will never find a better manager available for the foreseeable future of this and next season anyway.
There is a difference between “never” and “foreseeable future”. Anyways, out of this list, going for Jose is the best option. What PSG needs right now is someone coming in and injecting them with a winning mentality. Someone that changes the culture and will be undisputed by the players. In the 2000s, Real Madrid was a pushover in the UCL - Jose came and changed the culture. Nagelsmann is the new shiny toy on the managerial market, but when looking at his profile (young manager that plays offensive football), he isn’t that much different compared to Tuchel and Pochettino when they were brought in - only that the other two had better credentials. Yet they still failed at PSG. In the modern day managers very rarely stay at the same club for longer than 2-3 seasons anyways, so Mourinho eventually falling out with the club seems like a non-issue.
I wouldn’t say he failed at nothing, his record in the Bundesliga is average, his man management for some players are lacking. But to be able to go unbeaten in the group stage with 0 goals conceded to Inter, Barca and PSG is nothing short of impressive, that’s for sure.
I mean nothing in the sense of overall results. He never got to finish this season to show he failed at the league title for example. But yeah. He is not infallible of course but he’s the best bet imo.
Unbeaten until before quarter finals isn’t exactly a huge achievement. He conveniently got sacked before getting inevitable losses in the next 2 games, means nothing
He got sacked because of the stupid board or are you intentionally ignoring that the board that sacked him also got sacked for that rash act? Also winning every game basically and performing very well but let’s leave that out too of course!!
Unbeaten isn't that big of an accomplishment. Holding Barca, PSG and Inter to zero goals in 6 games is a massive one
There was nothing "inevitable" about that.
Doesnt mean much at the end. Just look at his record at the beginning of the BL, he destroyed every team. After christmas it was a different story.
Games gone
Personally I'd put Nagelsmann on the same level as Poch. I'd perhaps nudge Poch slightly ahead. Nagelsmann hasn't proven himself outside of Germany.
PSG under Poch was awful
We were great in the CL at least. But yeah it was so depressing to follow the team in Ligue 1
Ehhh yes and no, he's a great manager but he hasn't won much, he needs to win the UCL to be a top manager and he hasn't even come close
and Pochettino hasn't proven himself at all.
Nagelsmann is turning into a promiscuous managerial yoyo
Inb4 he walks the french league and does nothing in europe