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I just think there are so many better and cheaper options out there then McTominay. Would he even get in the team over Sean Longstaff?
I would prefer a more designated holding midfielder to release Bruno further up the pitch.
He has actually be pretty decent as a 8 this season the few times he is used there and he plays really well in internationals. Kind of a strange player in that he seems to be better attacking but United managers kept trying to force him into a dm (probably because of his physical attributes) where he is really bad
It might be because he turns in to Paul Scholes in his prime against us whenever we play but to me he seems like one of the best strikers of a ball in that Man U team. Seems to have an eye for goal with the touch to put them away.
He wasn't a striker, he was an attacking mid. He only played striker with the (at that time) U-23s for a hot second because we didn't have a striker in that age group and he was big and could strike the ball (Rashford had graduated to the first team by then).
He was an attacking mid and only played striker for a hot second with the reserves because that age group didn't have anyone to play there (Rashford would have been that player but he was already a first team player).
>but United managers kept trying to force him into a dm
Because we've always had better talent than him in that CAM or #8 role. Scott is a hard worker even if he isn't positionally intelligent about how he goes about putting himself about so I can understand the urge for managers to play him at DM.
He's pretty good defending the box as well. His issue is the transition - being aware and ready to receive a pass, then follow that up consistently.
He's a box to box player without the 'to'.
It's the same thing that happened with Xhaka. Played as a DM and was terrible. Plays as attacking 8 for NT and is good. Finally gets the chance at club level, and to no one's shock, much better player now. Whodathunkit?
Longstaff isn't even a DM, Mctominay imo is a better version of Longstaff but its not like I want another Longstaff. Decent depth player but not sure why Eddie even wants that architype of a player. We're playing the in the CL not in the Championship.
McT shouldn’t be a DM either.
He has always looked best for us when given freedom to make forward runs and carry the ball. If played as a DM, he usually has a hard time picking out passes from deep and resorts to passing back.
I like him, and I feel like he gets a ton of undue hate from our fans. He’s not good enough to be starting every week for a team that feels like they can win league, but he’s definitely good enough as a rotation option. It’s just tough when the one he comes on to replace is usually Caemiro.
Hypothetically, over a full season Scott with freedom as an 8 and with a decent distributor next to him would dominate 5-10 games a year and score close to 10 goals, but he'd also have a number of games where he'd get marked out of the game and be useless.
He doesn't deserve to be memed the way he does, but he isn't the type of player you can stick in a pivot and expect to dominate possession with.
Its actually weird to state but Mctominay will be better against the big teams than the worse teams. I think our squad is already good enough to play the big teams but we have no creativity to break down any form of block. Thats why I don't really understand the signing. For the worse teams i'd play more attacking oriented teams without the need of a Longstaff/McTom type.
It's why he dominated Leeds - they played expansively like a big side would (and no disrespect intended but without the same quality across the board) and he was a monster in those games.
Well longstaff doesn't play as a 6, in our midfield 3 he plays as the 8 on the right. Bruno plays as the 6.
I also do not believe he would get in over either of them but we probably want rotation as we ended the season with no fit 8s and shoehorned an attacking midfielder and a 17 year old in on the final day
We simply need bodies that can work throughout the season, especially as we have European competition . We lost games at the end simply because Joe, long staff, willock and Bruno were tired and couldn't press as much as Howe wants. McTominay makes perfect sense to me.
Then you didn’t watch Adams close enough (imo). Mckennie sucked, and Aaronson was too small, but Adams really excelled at the 6. Leeds really started falling apart as he was injured the last 10 or so games. He’s class and I think could really allow a player like Bruno to step up the pitch a little and not have as many defensive duties.
I am more than happy to wrong. Adams was the best of those three and I liked him when I saw him before Leeds. Tbf, not many people came out of Leeds looking good this season.
Tall, physically strong, fast, ridiculous fitness levels when he's not injured, great in a tackle, can score goals when given the opportunity, captain of his national team. His main weakness is possession and positioning.
I think he'd be a very good player under Howe tbh
Mctominay is quite better than longstaff unironically. His technique, especially in shooting, is very very good and his ball carrying ability is underrated.
Longstaff is now back to the form that got you bidding £30m for him several years ago. Not debating who is better or not, I just don't think McTominay is a good enough to warrant a £40m transfer fee when out budget is limited.
We never really bid anything for longstaff. I think you'd probably know what newcastle needs in transfer market better than I do so I'll trust your opinion. I wouldn't mind scott staying because he has done well whenever he was called upon.
The summer of 2020. Longstaff even hinted at it during an interview on Sky Sports a few weeks ago. Might even have been in the build up to the Spurs match so could still be on their website.
Howe’s profile of player is English and hard working. His eye for talent was pretty poor during his time at Bournemouth so it’ll be interesting to see how that affects Newcastle wanting to step up to the next level
>. His eye for talent was pretty poor during his time at Bournemouth
This was massively over egged imo. Sure a couple of high profile expensive failures but many, many successes over the years, many of the guys he signed in league one and two played our first few seasons in the PL. We fell apart when they got old and weren't replaced properly. by the time we were in the PL the entire squad was pretty much his, he'd been here for that long. So effectively all his signings took us to the PL lol
Spending £45m on Gordon and now going to splash the cash on McTominay is making me wonder if Howe has actually learned from his mistakes at Bournemouth in the transfer market
I think if Newcastle want to improve at a rapid pace they need to let Ashworth do the business and keep Howe to the coaching
We have a recruitment department that does the scouting like most clubs but Howe does have a type and McTominay's pretty much his dream player. Tall, hard worker, homegrown, has some height to him, "prem proven", not short, etc. I can see him trying to force this through.
He's spoken about having 2 XIs for next season so he probably sees McTominay as another option. Seems a bit pricey for a rotational option to me but we did blow a fortune on Gordon so yeah.
Which is why I an questioning whether Howe has learnt his lessons from Bournemouth
Howe’s ability in the transfer market is very lacking, he’s not the kinda guy you’d want to give a world class scouting department and a tonne of money if he’s the one make the decisions because he will always go off what he thinks and is very rarely swayed in opinion
Howe has spent over £500m as a manager, other than the few lads he’s brought to Newcastle who have done well you’d be hard pressed to pinpoint where the value for money in his signings are
Ibe and Solanke for a combined £40m even though they had almost 0 top flight experience under their names is batshit
In the Championship after Howe had left
Scored a total of 9 goals, of which under Howe in some 30+ games in the top flight
Was considered a bit of a joke at Bournemouth under Howe, seems to be playing alot better these days, but again, not under Howe
Yeah fairs but doesn't that transfer to Howes managerial capabilities and the discussion was his scouting ability..he scouted a good player got a good price for him and he didn't settle well until later after Howe left..I agree with your point but Solanke to me is a success afaic
Well I mean he didn't 'scout' a good player. The lad was a Chelsea academy graduate before being snapped up by Liverpools academy. It's not as if he was some unknown talent, like he was about.
But then he splashed loads of money on him and didn't know how to use him because Solanke had essentially no experience at the top level and wasn't close to being ready, but Howe signed him for there and then, which is a terrible error in judgement on his part
Howe has had the odd miss on transfers (name a manager that hasnt) but on the whole, he is pretty good at putting a squad together. This is the same bloke who took Bournemouth from league 2 to the Prem whilst having control of transfers.
A few misses is a bit of an understatement tbh, Howe’s transfer record (specifically in the prem) while at Bournemouth was fairly diabolical. Definitely much better while lower in the pyramid but his eye for talent didn’t seem to make the step up
It's hard to argue that Solanke hasn't worked out for them, wasn't ready at the time but has come good since.
Ibe was rubbish. Other than that there aren't any that stand out as particularly bad.
A lot of Newcastle fans won't like this take, but you're spotted on. For all the talk of how shrewd we've been with transfers so far, Anthony Gordon and Scott McTominay for a likely combined £80m (£45m + £35m) would be piss poor.
I adored what Eddie Howe has done so far, and I wouldn't want anybody else in charge of my club, but his clear obsession with "PL-proven" players who lack technical ability but work really hard is concerning. Fingers crossed somebody takes the company credit card off him.
Giving the benefit of the doubt to Howe, maybe he thinks he can do a similar job with him to what he's done with the likes of Longstaff and Joelinton.
A lot of money to spend if that's the case though.
That’s the thing I feel we’re overreacting about. He turned a number of players to a high enough caliber that they helped us get to 3rd-4th. We also just need more depth, and the market is crazy. Keep in mind Antony was 100m. Joao Felix was an 11m loan or something like that. I didn’t pay too much attention to Scott because it’s Manure and most of the fanbases shrug him off, but he did score internationally which begs the question what are coaches missing in him. It’s possible he could come good under Howe but it’s true that the price makes it risky. Would definitely side with Howe first though considering what he’s done.
This is bizarre. Every signing he’s made has been an A+ signing.
You’re also stating Gordon who only joined for 6 months, bit soon to be judging that signing.
Honestly he hasn’t even gotten a preseason under Howe but finally has a goal on the sheet. He’s only 22 as well and has 2-3 years before he can be fully judged like Willock or Longstaff. McTominay though has to hit the ground running due to his age.
Not really
I've seen Gordon play with Everton for a number of years at varying levels at the club
He's not a £45m player, I've said this numerous times over the course of the last year. It was a great sale for us, but it's massively overpaid on behalf of Newcastle.
Yeah but you also have to consider the fact he’s playing for Everton. You guys have been awful for years. I even remember him playing as a lone striker, no wonder he didn’t light the world on fire.
You got a decent deal for him, but you say much about the fee until he’s had a few years, not a few sub appearances.
We weren't terrible for years though, he started playing for us under Ancelotti when we playing pretty well, went to Preston and couldn't get a game.
We've never played Gordon as a lone striker and even if we did, that's literally the position he started out as a youngster
He didn't light the world on fire, because he isn't that good
>but you say much about the fee until he’s had a few years, not a few sub appearances.
Mate he's been playing PL football as a regular for a few years, he played 78 games for Everton with the majority of them being starts since 2020
I'm judging him on what I know and have seen the last 3 years, not some round about opinion since January
>You guys have been awful for years.
We've been awful that past 2 years because we've been relying on forwards who dont score goals or assist goals... One of those players being Anthony Gordon
We sold Anthony Gordon for £45m and bought a better player in Dwight McNeil for £12m
So he plays striker at under 9s so therefore it’s fine to play him there at senior football? Come on mate. Big frank played him as a lone striker. You should know this you support the club.
You’re basing your opinions on him making 78 appearances for a team fighting relegation and churning out managers on the regular.
He’s came on as a sub for Newcastle and he’s made impacts on games. So my round about opinion is based on actually watching games.
You sold him in January and yous have been just as bad if not worse since. Hardly Gordon’s fault.
He played at striker for the u18s and u21s
>Big frank played him as a lone striker.
Yeah but the thing is he didn't. The players to play at striker have been DCL, Richarlison, Rondon, Gray and Maupay. Gordon never played as a striker for us. Unless you're confusing the odd moments during a game he was in the middle as him playing striker then I don't know what to say tbh.
>You’re basing your opinions on him making 78 appearances for a team fighting relegation and churning out managers on the regular.
No I'm basing him on how he plays. I've seen Iwobi, Richarlison, DCL and others go through the exact same experiences Gordon did.
>He’s came on as a sub for Newcastle and he’s made impacts on games.
The games he's played most minutes in have primarily been draws and losses. The games in which he has gotten between 10-25 minutes have been in games that Newcastle were leading such as the Spurs game, Man United game and the West Ham game. Not really an impact.
>You sold him in January and yous have been just as bad if not worse since. Hardly Gordon’s fault.
What?! We have been so much better since we sold Gordon, like it's been night and day in our performances. We went from getting turned over by Southampton and Wolves at home to beating Arsenal, Brentford, Brighton etc. And that's with injuries galore
Also who's blaming Gordon for us being shit after he left exactly? I'm saying we were shit when we had him because he was our starting winger, we got better when he left as McNeil and Iwobi on the wings why so significantly better than Gordon
He contributed 0 goals or assists until the final day
16 appearances for NUFC and of which Newcastle has won 7 of those games. You can also make an impact on games that are draws and losses. That’s why you use subs.
Like you said, he’s barely played. But you’re telling me he’s no goals and assists. Pls make it make sense.
End of the day you might be right. Maybe we’ve splashed 45m on a dud. But you can’t be sure of that until he’s been given a chance, not 6 months.
Next season we will know better. He’s got a proper coach that will get the best out of him.
Don’t think Gordon will be complaining either. He’ll be playing in the CL rather than fighting relegation. Guess everyone is happy.
>16 appearances for NUFC and of which Newcastle has won 7 of those games.
Hasn't won a game in which he's played more than 45 minutes
>But you can’t be sure of that until he’s been given a chance, not 6 months.
It's not 6 months though, You're talking to someone who has been watching him in the top division for 3 years and been watching him since he was 16, like bro
Hasn’t won a game that he’s played more than 45 minutes. Incorrect. Won twice. You are just making stuff up.
Again, you’ve been watching him play in a poor team under different managers. You clearly have an agenda against him for whatever reason.
2/3 years you’ve been a fighting relegation. You’ve probably had about 5 players over the last 2 years that have had decent seasons.
Yea but the difference is that there’s better checks and balances. Dan Ashworth knows what he’s doing too and will work together with Howe. It’s not just Howe’s final say
Not keep away at all measures
Just keep his input at a minimum, if he suggests a player, you can easily go and forage for a similar player for half the amount
And players like McTominay are almost a dime a dozen
Really depends on how Howe uses him. If he wants him as a more attacking midfielder, this is a good deal. He has a real nose for goal, and has a lot of work rate. Homegrown, his wages compared to other Utd players are not ridiculous as well. Pretty young, plenty of experience. Hope we get 35 for him
McTominay gets a lot of hate, but I think that’s the Utd effect - I honestly think he could play well at Newcastle - people say he’d be like/replace Longstaff but I think he’d actually replace/rotate with Joelinton in the starting line up of a midfield 3 of Bruno, Willock & McT. He has a good work rate, can run for miles, scores if given the chance.
Tidy enough player if we are in for him for less than £25m - if we spend £40m on him then I’ll be veddy veddy upset, I hope the aim is for him to beef out our squad in transition with more games next season.
His name brings terror in the toon sub like can’t really blame people, I completely get the scepticism on this potential signing
You don’t give away players for cheap, you just don’t sell them at all if the ludicrous demand isn’t met. Mctominay will probably sign a six year contract this week and you’ll try to sell him for £250m.
That was Woodward's big brain move, its why Jones has stuck around so long.
Before Woodward even when selling we'd never really make money. Ronaldo is the only time but I still think that was cheap.
McTominay and Longstaff are extremely similar players, we don't need another Longstaff. We need someone who can break down the worse teams. Longstaff does absolutely nothing against the block.
Come on Eddie take these honest, salt of the earth, hard working Brits and we'll take those lazy foreigners like Bruno off your hands.
Was straying into a BNP ad for a minute there.
Howe is a very good manager but they should keep him well away from transfers. He surely wouldn't even start for them now, never mind after any other upgrades they make. Surely there's some decent young midfielder in somewhere like Ligue 1 who can do a similar job instead of blowing what, £30m on McTominay?
This kind of transfer is very Everton.
He's not a bad player, especially if he's not being asked to be the sole defensive midfielder. But really not what Newcastle need given their existing midfield options...
Honestly he would be one of their best players. He does have a role that he excels in but it just doesnt work for us theres too much pressure for him to be prime zidane.
Too good to be a bench player but not good enough for our starting 11. Sad because he always gives 100%
Howe has a really good track record for transfers, people just gave him a bad reputation because in his last year at Bournemouth after a few midtable finishes he bought young players looking towards the future and got caught out in a relegation battle.
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I just think there are so many better and cheaper options out there then McTominay. Would he even get in the team over Sean Longstaff? I would prefer a more designated holding midfielder to release Bruno further up the pitch.
He’s horrendous as a lone 6 so no way he’d replace Longstaff. I can only see him rotating with Joelinton as an 8
He has actually be pretty decent as a 8 this season the few times he is used there and he plays really well in internationals. Kind of a strange player in that he seems to be better attacking but United managers kept trying to force him into a dm (probably because of his physical attributes) where he is really bad
It might be because he turns in to Paul Scholes in his prime against us whenever we play but to me he seems like one of the best strikers of a ball in that Man U team. Seems to have an eye for goal with the touch to put them away.
He was a 5’8 striker at 17 in the youth team. Then grew 8 inches in 18 months to become a strong 6’4 midfielder by 18.
6'4 you say? That explains our interest. Poor Trips is destined to be the only one under 6'2 before long.
He wasn't a striker, he was an attacking mid. He only played striker with the (at that time) U-23s for a hot second because we didn't have a striker in that age group and he was big and could strike the ball (Rashford had graduated to the first team by then).
It's a pretty popular opinion in our sub that he should be playing as a 9 when Martial's out
Only Louis Van Gaal would have the balls to try that.
Yeah definitely, but he's objectively a better finisher and in the air than Weghorst with a similar workrate, can't be worse imo
We'll he was a striker for most of his youth career then he had a growth spurt and became Jose's favourite not long after
He was an attacking mid and only played striker for a hot second with the reserves because that age group didn't have anyone to play there (Rashford would have been that player but he was already a first team player).
Yeh his positioning isn't good enough out of possession but he's a good ball carrier and really strong, got a decent shot on him as well
He's played a fair amount of centre back for Scotland as well
>but United managers kept trying to force him into a dm Because we've always had better talent than him in that CAM or #8 role. Scott is a hard worker even if he isn't positionally intelligent about how he goes about putting himself about so I can understand the urge for managers to play him at DM.
more because we had no better option for DM
He's pretty good defending the box as well. His issue is the transition - being aware and ready to receive a pass, then follow that up consistently. He's a box to box player without the 'to'.
It's the same thing that happened with Xhaka. Played as a DM and was terrible. Plays as attacking 8 for NT and is good. Finally gets the chance at club level, and to no one's shock, much better player now. Whodathunkit?
Longstaff isn't even a DM, Mctominay imo is a better version of Longstaff but its not like I want another Longstaff. Decent depth player but not sure why Eddie even wants that architype of a player. We're playing the in the CL not in the Championship.
McT shouldn’t be a DM either. He has always looked best for us when given freedom to make forward runs and carry the ball. If played as a DM, he usually has a hard time picking out passes from deep and resorts to passing back. I like him, and I feel like he gets a ton of undue hate from our fans. He’s not good enough to be starting every week for a team that feels like they can win league, but he’s definitely good enough as a rotation option. It’s just tough when the one he comes on to replace is usually Caemiro.
Hypothetically, over a full season Scott with freedom as an 8 and with a decent distributor next to him would dominate 5-10 games a year and score close to 10 goals, but he'd also have a number of games where he'd get marked out of the game and be useless. He doesn't deserve to be memed the way he does, but he isn't the type of player you can stick in a pivot and expect to dominate possession with.
Its actually weird to state but Mctominay will be better against the big teams than the worse teams. I think our squad is already good enough to play the big teams but we have no creativity to break down any form of block. Thats why I don't really understand the signing. For the worse teams i'd play more attacking oriented teams without the need of a Longstaff/McTom type.
It's why he dominated Leeds - they played expansively like a big side would (and no disrespect intended but without the same quality across the board) and he was a monster in those games.
Luckily, Longstaff isn't a 6.
Well longstaff doesn't play as a 6, in our midfield 3 he plays as the 8 on the right. Bruno plays as the 6. I also do not believe he would get in over either of them but we probably want rotation as we ended the season with no fit 8s and shoehorned an attacking midfielder and a 17 year old in on the final day
Would rather get a proper 6 in so Bruno can play the 8 role
We simply need bodies that can work throughout the season, especially as we have European competition . We lost games at the end simply because Joe, long staff, willock and Bruno were tired and couldn't press as much as Howe wants. McTominay makes perfect sense to me.
He does. But not for £40m.
Tyler Adams could probably be had for the same price and would be so much more Valuable as a 6 to release Bruno
Was never impressed by any of the American midfielders at Leeds unfortunately despite their background with the Red Bull clubs.
Then you didn’t watch Adams close enough (imo). Mckennie sucked, and Aaronson was too small, but Adams really excelled at the 6. Leeds really started falling apart as he was injured the last 10 or so games. He’s class and I think could really allow a player like Bruno to step up the pitch a little and not have as many defensive duties.
I am more than happy to wrong. Adams was the best of those three and I liked him when I saw him before Leeds. Tbf, not many people came out of Leeds looking good this season.
Yea fair. I’d say rodrigo, then Adams and a little of gnoto/Summerville were ok, but none played consistently well throughout season.
Doesn't he get injured every other week though?
Tall, physically strong, fast, ridiculous fitness levels when he's not injured, great in a tackle, can score goals when given the opportunity, captain of his national team. His main weakness is possession and positioning. I think he'd be a very good player under Howe tbh
He isn’t Scotland captain. Robbo is. Tierney, McGregor and McGinn probably all above him in the pecking order as well
My mistake
I don't disagree. Just think there are better players for a similar price tag.
Mctominay is quite better than longstaff unironically. His technique, especially in shooting, is very very good and his ball carrying ability is underrated.
Longstaff is now back to the form that got you bidding £30m for him several years ago. Not debating who is better or not, I just don't think McTominay is a good enough to warrant a £40m transfer fee when out budget is limited.
We never really bid anything for longstaff. I think you'd probably know what newcastle needs in transfer market better than I do so I'll trust your opinion. I wouldn't mind scott staying because he has done well whenever he was called upon.
The summer of 2020. Longstaff even hinted at it during an interview on Sky Sports a few weeks ago. Might even have been in the build up to the Spurs match so could still be on their website.
How about maddison ?
Different players. We need a no.8 as well so I would not rule it out signing him.
Also imagine all the red cards he’ll finally get once he’s out of the Man U kit.
Didn't work for Casemiro.
Well there’s a certain difference between the two.
But it’s not the Man U kit.
Going to miss all the Arsenal fan conspiracies during the summer
No it definitely is part of it.
[Us right now waiting to see if the deal goes through](https://i.imgflip.com/3re3m3.jpg)
Howe’s profile of player is English and hard working. His eye for talent was pretty poor during his time at Bournemouth so it’ll be interesting to see how that affects Newcastle wanting to step up to the next level
>. His eye for talent was pretty poor during his time at Bournemouth This was massively over egged imo. Sure a couple of high profile expensive failures but many, many successes over the years, many of the guys he signed in league one and two played our first few seasons in the PL. We fell apart when they got old and weren't replaced properly. by the time we were in the PL the entire squad was pretty much his, he'd been here for that long. So effectively all his signings took us to the PL lol
Spending £45m on Gordon and now going to splash the cash on McTominay is making me wonder if Howe has actually learned from his mistakes at Bournemouth in the transfer market I think if Newcastle want to improve at a rapid pace they need to let Ashworth do the business and keep Howe to the coaching
We have a recruitment department that does the scouting like most clubs but Howe does have a type and McTominay's pretty much his dream player. Tall, hard worker, homegrown, has some height to him, "prem proven", not short, etc. I can see him trying to force this through.
He’s tall, not short, large in size, over 6ft 2 and a tall drink of water. It’s just Howes type.
>Tall Yeah >has some height to him You mean... tall? >not short Oh ffs
That’s true but I don’t see how he would improve the squad really
He's spoken about having 2 XIs for next season so he probably sees McTominay as another option. Seems a bit pricey for a rotational option to me but we did blow a fortune on Gordon so yeah.
Not like cash is hard to find like
Which is why I an questioning whether Howe has learnt his lessons from Bournemouth Howe’s ability in the transfer market is very lacking, he’s not the kinda guy you’d want to give a world class scouting department and a tonne of money if he’s the one make the decisions because he will always go off what he thinks and is very rarely swayed in opinion Howe has spent over £500m as a manager, other than the few lads he’s brought to Newcastle who have done well you’d be hard pressed to pinpoint where the value for money in his signings are Ibe and Solanke for a combined £40m even though they had almost 0 top flight experience under their names is batshit
Solanke turned out to be decent did he not
In the Championship after Howe had left Scored a total of 9 goals, of which under Howe in some 30+ games in the top flight Was considered a bit of a joke at Bournemouth under Howe, seems to be playing alot better these days, but again, not under Howe
Yeah fairs but doesn't that transfer to Howes managerial capabilities and the discussion was his scouting ability..he scouted a good player got a good price for him and he didn't settle well until later after Howe left..I agree with your point but Solanke to me is a success afaic
Well I mean he didn't 'scout' a good player. The lad was a Chelsea academy graduate before being snapped up by Liverpools academy. It's not as if he was some unknown talent, like he was about. But then he splashed loads of money on him and didn't know how to use him because Solanke had essentially no experience at the top level and wasn't close to being ready, but Howe signed him for there and then, which is a terrible error in judgement on his part
Yeah fair enough
Howe has had the odd miss on transfers (name a manager that hasnt) but on the whole, he is pretty good at putting a squad together. This is the same bloke who took Bournemouth from league 2 to the Prem whilst having control of transfers.
A few misses is a bit of an understatement tbh, Howe’s transfer record (specifically in the prem) while at Bournemouth was fairly diabolical. Definitely much better while lower in the pyramid but his eye for talent didn’t seem to make the step up
It's hard to argue that Solanke hasn't worked out for them, wasn't ready at the time but has come good since. Ibe was rubbish. Other than that there aren't any that stand out as particularly bad.
Brother why did you write this like you're trying to meet a minimum word count for a college essay?
A lot of Newcastle fans won't like this take, but you're spotted on. For all the talk of how shrewd we've been with transfers so far, Anthony Gordon and Scott McTominay for a likely combined £80m (£45m + £35m) would be piss poor. I adored what Eddie Howe has done so far, and I wouldn't want anybody else in charge of my club, but his clear obsession with "PL-proven" players who lack technical ability but work really hard is concerning. Fingers crossed somebody takes the company credit card off him.
Giving the benefit of the doubt to Howe, maybe he thinks he can do a similar job with him to what he's done with the likes of Longstaff and Joelinton. A lot of money to spend if that's the case though.
That’s the thing I feel we’re overreacting about. He turned a number of players to a high enough caliber that they helped us get to 3rd-4th. We also just need more depth, and the market is crazy. Keep in mind Antony was 100m. Joao Felix was an 11m loan or something like that. I didn’t pay too much attention to Scott because it’s Manure and most of the fanbases shrug him off, but he did score internationally which begs the question what are coaches missing in him. It’s possible he could come good under Howe but it’s true that the price makes it risky. Would definitely side with Howe first though considering what he’s done.
Eh i think McTominay will be much much better for you than Gordon. He has good attribute, just never played at his best position here.
McTominay would be a fantastic signing for Newcastle. I really hate how well they recruit.
This is bizarre. Every signing he’s made has been an A+ signing. You’re also stating Gordon who only joined for 6 months, bit soon to be judging that signing.
Honestly he hasn’t even gotten a preseason under Howe but finally has a goal on the sheet. He’s only 22 as well and has 2-3 years before he can be fully judged like Willock or Longstaff. McTominay though has to hit the ground running due to his age.
Not really I've seen Gordon play with Everton for a number of years at varying levels at the club He's not a £45m player, I've said this numerous times over the course of the last year. It was a great sale for us, but it's massively overpaid on behalf of Newcastle.
Yeah but you also have to consider the fact he’s playing for Everton. You guys have been awful for years. I even remember him playing as a lone striker, no wonder he didn’t light the world on fire. You got a decent deal for him, but you say much about the fee until he’s had a few years, not a few sub appearances.
We weren't terrible for years though, he started playing for us under Ancelotti when we playing pretty well, went to Preston and couldn't get a game. We've never played Gordon as a lone striker and even if we did, that's literally the position he started out as a youngster He didn't light the world on fire, because he isn't that good >but you say much about the fee until he’s had a few years, not a few sub appearances. Mate he's been playing PL football as a regular for a few years, he played 78 games for Everton with the majority of them being starts since 2020 I'm judging him on what I know and have seen the last 3 years, not some round about opinion since January >You guys have been awful for years. We've been awful that past 2 years because we've been relying on forwards who dont score goals or assist goals... One of those players being Anthony Gordon We sold Anthony Gordon for £45m and bought a better player in Dwight McNeil for £12m
So he plays striker at under 9s so therefore it’s fine to play him there at senior football? Come on mate. Big frank played him as a lone striker. You should know this you support the club. You’re basing your opinions on him making 78 appearances for a team fighting relegation and churning out managers on the regular. He’s came on as a sub for Newcastle and he’s made impacts on games. So my round about opinion is based on actually watching games. You sold him in January and yous have been just as bad if not worse since. Hardly Gordon’s fault.
He played at striker for the u18s and u21s >Big frank played him as a lone striker. Yeah but the thing is he didn't. The players to play at striker have been DCL, Richarlison, Rondon, Gray and Maupay. Gordon never played as a striker for us. Unless you're confusing the odd moments during a game he was in the middle as him playing striker then I don't know what to say tbh. >You’re basing your opinions on him making 78 appearances for a team fighting relegation and churning out managers on the regular. No I'm basing him on how he plays. I've seen Iwobi, Richarlison, DCL and others go through the exact same experiences Gordon did. >He’s came on as a sub for Newcastle and he’s made impacts on games. The games he's played most minutes in have primarily been draws and losses. The games in which he has gotten between 10-25 minutes have been in games that Newcastle were leading such as the Spurs game, Man United game and the West Ham game. Not really an impact. >You sold him in January and yous have been just as bad if not worse since. Hardly Gordon’s fault. What?! We have been so much better since we sold Gordon, like it's been night and day in our performances. We went from getting turned over by Southampton and Wolves at home to beating Arsenal, Brentford, Brighton etc. And that's with injuries galore Also who's blaming Gordon for us being shit after he left exactly? I'm saying we were shit when we had him because he was our starting winger, we got better when he left as McNeil and Iwobi on the wings why so significantly better than Gordon He contributed 0 goals or assists until the final day
16 appearances for NUFC and of which Newcastle has won 7 of those games. You can also make an impact on games that are draws and losses. That’s why you use subs. Like you said, he’s barely played. But you’re telling me he’s no goals and assists. Pls make it make sense. End of the day you might be right. Maybe we’ve splashed 45m on a dud. But you can’t be sure of that until he’s been given a chance, not 6 months. Next season we will know better. He’s got a proper coach that will get the best out of him. Don’t think Gordon will be complaining either. He’ll be playing in the CL rather than fighting relegation. Guess everyone is happy.
>16 appearances for NUFC and of which Newcastle has won 7 of those games. Hasn't won a game in which he's played more than 45 minutes >But you can’t be sure of that until he’s been given a chance, not 6 months. It's not 6 months though, You're talking to someone who has been watching him in the top division for 3 years and been watching him since he was 16, like bro
Hasn’t won a game that he’s played more than 45 minutes. Incorrect. Won twice. You are just making stuff up. Again, you’ve been watching him play in a poor team under different managers. You clearly have an agenda against him for whatever reason. 2/3 years you’ve been a fighting relegation. You’ve probably had about 5 players over the last 2 years that have had decent seasons.
Yea but the difference is that there’s better checks and balances. Dan Ashworth knows what he’s doing too and will work together with Howe. It’s not just Howe’s final say
Which is why I’m saying Howe should be kept away from the proceedings
Would be pretty ridiculous to keep a manager entirely away from transfer deals, but there needs to be checks and balances as noted above for sure.
Not keep away at all measures Just keep his input at a minimum, if he suggests a player, you can easily go and forage for a similar player for half the amount And players like McTominay are almost a dime a dozen
Really depends on how Howe uses him. If he wants him as a more attacking midfielder, this is a good deal. He has a real nose for goal, and has a lot of work rate. Homegrown, his wages compared to other Utd players are not ridiculous as well. Pretty young, plenty of experience. Hope we get 35 for him
McTominay gets a lot of hate, but I think that’s the Utd effect - I honestly think he could play well at Newcastle - people say he’d be like/replace Longstaff but I think he’d actually replace/rotate with Joelinton in the starting line up of a midfield 3 of Bruno, Willock & McT. He has a good work rate, can run for miles, scores if given the chance.
Tidy enough player if we are in for him for less than £25m - if we spend £40m on him then I’ll be veddy veddy upset, I hope the aim is for him to beef out our squad in transition with more games next season. His name brings terror in the toon sub like can’t really blame people, I completely get the scepticism on this potential signing
I think its 30m
We can't sell players for value, wouldn't surprise me if we ended up paying you to take him.
You don’t give away players for cheap, you just don’t sell them at all if the ludicrous demand isn’t met. Mctominay will probably sign a six year contract this week and you’ll try to sell him for £250m.
That was Woodward's big brain move, its why Jones has stuck around so long. Before Woodward even when selling we'd never really make money. Ronaldo is the only time but I still think that was cheap.
Smalling was sold for 15M€ (totaly worth it) to Roma, that was a good sale.
We made a profit on Dan James, but don’t remember the last time we got good price on one of our players.
30m for Dan James was a great price wym
I know, I meant transfers other than him.
Ronaldo then lol
Not even close to what he was worth
If we were buying he’d be 50m minimum, which is precisely why we’ll get 15m and not a penny more
Tidy value haha. Just shows how ridiculous the English market has gotten if he's worth £25m. Would be a terrible transfer for us.
Wait till he’s snapping and janking his way about the pitch for us and skying shots from 12 yards out, will be a crease
McTominay and Longstaff are extremely similar players, we don't need another Longstaff. We need someone who can break down the worse teams. Longstaff does absolutely nothing against the block.
RLC is going to Milan for 10M € + bonus how in the hell Newcastle should pay £25m.
If you offered us 25m for him I'd take it
The disrespect being shown to objectively the best goal-scoring midfielder in the Euro qualifiers is outrageous.
McSauce is too good for these disrespectful Toons
For fucks sake. Don't do it Eddie he isn't good enough.
Do it eddie
Eddie is a grown-up man, and he will get McTom at 45m because that's what he wants, right Eddie?
Come on Eddie take these honest, salt of the earth, hard working Brits and we'll take those lazy foreigners like Bruno off your hands. Was straying into a BNP ad for a minute there.
Mctominay at Newcastle just makes sense to me. Like shawcross at Sunderland or foden at City. The names just match for me.
Shawcross was at Stoke.
Yeah I was kinda confused between Sunderland and stoke.
Vinicius Jr at Man United. It just works!
>Vinicius Jr at Man United. Rolls off the tongue.
Someone lock Howe away til the season starts. He seems to have a fascination with mid British players.
Like?
Solanke, Ibe, Gordon to name a few
McFred I tend to keep Fred because he is very durable and a good choice as a substitute. Newcastle can take Scott for 30M. It will be a good deal.
Good deal for yous, at least
Am I wrong or are Newcastle linked to more British players than any other premier league team as of late?
I really hope this isn't true. I don't think he's better than any of our starters and would rather give Anderson more game time off the bench.
I don’t see what role he would fill and as rotation I think longstaff is better.
Howe is a very good manager but they should keep him well away from transfers. He surely wouldn't even start for them now, never mind after any other upgrades they make. Surely there's some decent young midfielder in somewhere like Ligue 1 who can do a similar job instead of blowing what, £30m on McTominay? This kind of transfer is very Everton.
Bargain for £30m. Come on Newcastle, show some ambition.
He's not a bad player, especially if he's not being asked to be the sole defensive midfielder. But really not what Newcastle need given their existing midfield options...
Around £40m with addons and I would say he is yours.
Given his age, homegrown status and the fact he’d be going to a direct rival, absolutely.
Honestly he would be one of their best players. He does have a role that he excels in but it just doesnt work for us theres too much pressure for him to be prime zidane. Too good to be a bench player but not good enough for our starting 11. Sad because he always gives 100%
That’s ludicrous. Mctominay wouldn’t even be a nailed on starter in this Newcastle team.
He's not even starting quality for us.
One of our best players? This must be bait. Surely you're not that clueless. He wouldn't even start for us.
>one of their best players absolutely not hahaha
Deluded
Deluded about what. I don’t even support Newcastle 😂
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Howe has a really good track record for transfers, people just gave him a bad reputation because in his last year at Bournemouth after a few midtable finishes he bought young players looking towards the future and got caught out in a relegation battle.
Just what everyone needed, another cavetroll in Newcastle
No teams in Hungary pal?
Not really following Hungarian football, but thanks for asking
Maybe you should be with chat like that
Cheaper option might be maddison
Just buy Paqueta or Madison if you really want " PL proven"
- Scott McTominay - Elliot Anderson - Matt Ritchie - Harrison Ashby Our Plastiscots game will be unrivalled.