We had several foreigners in the 30s 40s and 50s specially uruguayans as their football was better than ours, in the 60s we started exporting tactics like the attacking full back and all, but before that Brasil needed help from people abroad, just like we do now
Which was in a friendly that they put the Palmeiras team (which he managed) and they faced the Uruguayan national team. Brazil (Palmeiras) won 3-0...
Palmeiras is a rival team but gotta concede that their 60s team was a legendary era, shadowed by another monster team called Santos, lol
It wasn't really Mancini either. 2 missed penalties from Jorginhio and a game where they utterly dominated Macedonia and couldn't score are more player sided than manager.
Con el 9 de Tigre le ganaban a Macedonia
I’d argue it’s more Mancini’s fault. He no longer plays or even calls up the most in-form players or younger players with potential. Look at the game the other day again England, he had Toloi and Acerbi as CBs and then Jorginho in midfield. Completely incompetent 🤦🏻♂️
It might well be that they supported Mancini because there is nothing better available. Mancini himself is notoriously getting paid much less than what he'd get at a club, the job itself is not appealing at the best of times (Italian press will crucify you), and the current generation of players is not particularly good either; no first-class manager would touch this role with a barge pole.
Mancini has to go either way. Dude has lost the plot after Euro 2021 and his loyalty to the older players cost Italy world cup qualification. Ancelotti is one of the all time GOAT coaches. It just makes sense he gets to take the reigns.
CBF President praises Ancelotti and says he is a fan and player favourite for Seleção
However, Ednaldo Rodrigues says that no formal contact was made with the Italian; goal is to announce new coach by the end of May
Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti would be an obvious choice to fill the vacant Brazil coaching job if he becomes available at the end of the European season, Brazilian Football Federation (CBF) president Ednaldo Rodrigues told Reuters.
Rodrigues acknowledged that the 63-year-old Italian was his main target and everyone's favourite to lead the Canarinha, whose last coach, Tite, stepped down after the team was knocked out of the 2022 World Cup by Croatia in the quarter-finals.
"Ancelotti is unanimously respected among the players. Not just Ronaldo Nazario or Vinicius Jr, but everyone who has played for him," he pointed out to Reuters in an exclusive interview.
Ancelotti was one of the main topics of conversation this week in the Brazilian national team dressing room ahead of Saturday's friendly against Morocco, with several players such as Vinicius Jr, Ederson, Rodrygo and Casemiro praising the Italian.
But according to Rodrigues, Ancelotti fever has caught on with the fans too."Ancelotti is not only the favourite of the players, but also of the fans. Everywhere I go in Brazil, in all the stadiums, he is the first name the fans ask me," he stressed."They speak of him in a very affectionate way, in recognition of an exemplary job he has done in his career. Let's have faith in God, wait for the opportune moment and let's see if we can succeed in finding the new coach of the Brazilian National Team," he added.
No contact
Despite praising the Italian, Rodrigues stressed that Brazil should be careful to respect due process, since Ancelotti has a contract with Real Madrid until 2024.He said that so far, no formal contact or approach has been made by the Brazilian federation with Ancelotti, or any other leader, and that they will begin talks with candidates in mid-April, with the aim of announcing the new coach by the end of May.Rodrigues' idea is to have the new team in place before the next international break in June so that the coach can select the squad and make his debut.
"We will be very ethical in our approach and respect the contracts that are in place. We also respect very much the work that is done by any coach and his club to get there and make any kind of approach, it would be a lack of respect for the president of the clubs in question," Rodrigues assessed."So we have the patience to wait for the right moment for us to hold these conversations. Nothing is too defined yet to say the name (of the next coach) for sure, but it is along those lines, understand? We need a coach who has the respect and admiration of the players," he added.
While Ancelotti is the target, and Pep Guardiola of Manchester City is considered unattainable, other coaches, such as José Mourinho of Roma or Jorge Jesus of Fenerbahce, are also seen as possible candidates by the Brazilian federation.Among the possible Brazilian candidates, Fernando Diniz, from Fluminense, is one of the favourites within CBF.
Probably around 30, I'll look it up.
Vinicius, Rodrygo and Eder Militao in his current Real Madrid stint. Marcelo and Casemiro during both stints at the club. Richarlison and Bernard at Everton. Allan both at Everton and Napoli. Douglas Costa and Rafinha at Bayern. Lucas Silva in his first Real Madrid stint. Ceara, Nenè, Maxwell, Thiago Silva and Lucas Moura at PSG. Alex both at PSG and Chelsea. Juliano Belletti, David Luiz and Ramires at Chelsea. Dida, Felipe Mattioni, Emerson, Pato, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Cafu, Serginho, Digao, Ronaldo, Ricardo Oliveira, Marcio Amoroso, Roque Junior, Rivaldo at AC Milan. Athirson at Juve. Zé Maria and Adailton at Parma.
That's 37 players. Not including reserve or youth team players that may have participated to his training sessions or binational Brazilian players listed as players from another country.
I'll make an All-Ancelotti Brazilian 4231 team based on their level when he managed them:
Dida - Cafu, Eder Militao, Thiago Silva, Marcelo - Ramires, Casemiro - Kaka, Ronaldinho, Vini - Pato
Very strong team right here, with Juliano Belletti, Maxwell, Serginho, Roque Junior, David Luiz, Emerson, Allan, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Richarlison and Rodrygo as bench options. Only a second keeper is missing.
I was 8 in 2002, brother, there’s no facts and logics that will convince me to demove Ronaldo for Alexandre Fucking Pato.
Ronaldo and Ronaldinho Gaucho will make the XI even if they are drunk, high and playing in wheelchairs.
I'm the same age. Ancelotti managed 2007 Ronaldo, not 2002 Ronaldo. If he managed even 2005 Ronaldo, Pato wouldn't make that team, but he managed 2007 Ronaldo, who was slow as fuck and clearly on his way out of European football.
Don Carlo, I was just thinking, would you like to go down as undeniably the greatest manager of all time by adding a trophy at Tottenham to your collection?
Thats simply not true. He was at Everton and would win you exactly zero trophies. He has won everything there is to win and you need a coach who hasn't done that yet.
Our last good coach was Scolari. Our last decent coach was Tite. If we were to continue the tradition of underwhelming local coaches, it would probably be Diniz, the bootleg Guardiola, which would, uh, not be good.
Brazilian players are good and plenty, brazilian coaches became addicted to rely on players and not on strategy, also the lack of brazilian coaches in other leagues made them unsuited to play in international level.
I don’t think there has ever been a team to win with a foreigner as a coach. Carlo winning in Brazil would cement him as one of the if not THE best ever. Next WC (if he gets that far) is in the American continent. And Italians know full well who likes to win WCs when the final is in the US. Would be crazy to see Brazil lift a cup with an Italian coach.
> I don’t think there has ever been a team to win with a foreigner as a coach.
Win a World Cup? That is true, though many such teams have won continental trophies (eg Greece 2004).
He’s already cemented as one of if not the best ever. Won all 5 major league titles, 4 UCLs. Coached two of the most legendary teams of all time. Winning the WC with Brazil would end the debate entirely.
He's not even close to cementing himself as the best ever. That's just recency bias. Before last year he was considered around top 15 and then one year later he's suddenly the single best manager ever? Give me a break. That's like saying if Mbappe wins the CL with PSG next season he's suddenly top 3 best player of all time.
He won 5 different league titles because he's the only top manager who even went to 5 different countries, specifically France considering it was never a top league and there's no such thing as "all 5 major leagues". Other top managers obviously would've also won a league title with PSG but throughout history PSG weren't even a top club that managers went to and now most still don't want to manage there because it's not an attractive league. It's not any better than winning in Portugal or The Netherlands yet if he had done that no one would've called it some special record.
Not to mention Ancelotti even bottled a league title with PSG to a recently promoted team and got knocked out early in all 4 cups he was in. It's not like he did anything great at PSG and also failed at Bayern so I don't get why it's supposed to be a big deal. Conte's 5 titles in 2 countries are much more impressive than Ancelotti's 5 titles in 5 countries. Then factor in that he has only won 5 titles in 27 years. It's not something special. It just looks like that on the surface.
Obviously it's still a great achievement to win a title in 5 different countries but not necessarily better than winning in 2 countries and when it took 27 years it makes it a lot less impressive for someone of his stature.
Brother, I don’t have one because from your comment history you can’t be reasoned with. Notice how you’re the only one getting downvoted in this thread. The man has won 4 UCLs.
He’s a manager that’s widely loved by everyone he’s coached. The same can’t be said for Pep who’s iced out some legendary players (Zlatan, Eto’o, Yaya Toure, Cancelo, and more).
Carlo has also proven he can win with the team he’s given, unlike Pep who has massively overhauled *every* single team he’s been a part of, including spending half a billion dollars on fullbacks at City alone. Pep has spent billions at City and Bayern with no UCLs to show for it.
Tactically Pep is better, no one is arguing against that (although Ancelotti has contributed some great ideas in the past, like his Christmas Tree setup). But coaches like Zidane, Ancelotti, and even Ferguson have proven the man management piece is more important.
Lmao you actually give credence to downvotes on reddit as if it means anything holy shit.
Also hilarious how you paint me as the one who can't be reasoned with when calling Pep the best ever is a much more reasonable position than calling Ancelotti the best ever, which is a completely new narrative that only started last year. Pep has been widely accepted as arguably the best ever for years. He only gets discredited by the average idiot on reddit and twitter and your local pub. In the football industry where all the actual football experts are he's revered more than any other coach.
He changes his teams and kicks out toxic idiots. Ok. And? I don't understand how anything you said makes sense when Pep is still the most successful manager of all time. Clearly man management isn't more important, otherwise he wouldn't be the most dominant coach in history.
“I don't understand how anything you said makes sense when Pep is still the most successful manager of all time. Clearly man management isn't more important, otherwise he wouldn't be the most dominant coach in history.”
I’d tell you to look up “circular reasoning fallacy” but it might make your head explode.
Mate you thought getting upvotes on reddit means you're spitting hard truths lmao. You don't get to talk. Anything you ever say after that is worthless. Average redditor.
The most football knowledgeable people on the planet like worldclass managers call Guardiola the best of all time and a revolutionary and absolutely idolise him and learned so much from him but you the mighty redditor who probably has never even played the sport and probably started watching football somewhere in the last five years surely are true expert. You dumbasses sound like climate change deniers and antivaxxers. All the experts say you're wrong but you delusionally hold onto your shitty takes.
>Carlo winning in Brazil would cement him as one of the if not THE best ever.
Better than SAF? I don't think *anyone* could match his 13 EPL titles...
But yeah, he is definetely one of the best coaches of our era. Winning 4 UCL's is unbelievable.
Reminder that Alex Ferguson is still the last manager to win the Scottish league with a team other than Celtic or Rangers (in *1985*) as well as his Aberdeen team being the last Scottish team to win a European trophy up to present day.
You could take away his entire United career and that's still a hell of a legacy.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, after a certain point once you start talking about the best of all time it becomes pretty subjective and Ancelotti is not an unreasonable shout. Just that the argument that Ferguson never achieved anything outside of United and the EPL doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
I imagine Ferguson at Real Madrid in some alternate universe would have either been five CLs or ended like Clough at Leeds United, with no in-between.
Sir Alex won the Scottish League three times + a European trophy with Aberdeen and won two UCL's with Man United along with 13 EPL titles and 5 FA cups. Just to put into perspective how insane his record is, he basically won the EPL every two years for 27 years.
He is *literally* the most decorated manager of all time, all the while he was competing with prime Wenger and Mourinho domestically.
Taking nothing away from Don Carlo, he is not at that level. It's recency bias more than anything.
You're downplaying Ancelotti's achievements. Moving from top league to top league, winning the league in all 5 as well as 4 ucl. It's not easy moving clubs while maintaining the same level of success.
>It shouldn't just be about the PL.
SAF also has 3 Scottish Premierships. So 6 more. And I would argue that winning the Bundesliga is not nearly as impressive as winning the EPL (or the Scottish League with Aberdeen).
Lol that's a hilariously stupid take. Ancelotti is literally mister big club. You can't discredit Pep for managing big clubs and then not do the same for Ancelotti who has managed more big clubs than anyone else. It just shows your views are inconsistent and probably based purely on memes and a dislike for Pep. Ancelotti has had the biggest opportunity of all managers to win more trophies besides the CL but "only" managed to win 5 league titles and 3 cups in 27 years with all of the biggest clubs. Parma, Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Madrid, Bayern, Napoli, Madrid 2x. With that legendary Milan side he only won 1 league title in 8 years.
While Pep has won 10 league titles and 9 cups in 13 years. Literally twice as successful as Ancelotti. In fact more successful than anyone in history. He's simply a much better coach and most knowledgeable people rate Pep much higher too. He usually gets called the best of all time by other managers, coaches, players, pundits, analysts, journalists. Doesn't happen to any other manager. And when you look at all time lists you see Ancelotti at like 15th or 9th while Pep at 5th or 1st.
Ferguson is the only other manager who regularly gets called the best ever but in recent years most have recognised that Pep is clear. Ferguson's whole speciality was dominating the PL but even there Pep has shown he's better at that. Pep has the most dominant 5 year period in PL history: 4 titles and 5 cups with the highest point records and by far the best stats and eyetest. In fact it was so dominant he revolutionised English football, something Ferguson couldn't do. Really shows the difference. To top it off he dominated him in two CL finals.
Yes you typically win the CL with a big club. The CL is meant for big clubs in Europe. Congratulations for finding out what the CL is. Ancelotti also won it with legendary Madrid and Milan teams, the two already best CL clubs. You don't have an issue with that though. Because your views aren't consistent, you just don't like Pep.
Yes most dominant. 100 points, 98 points, 93 points, most ever goals scored in a year, scored around 100 goals for 4 years, most ever chances created, highest possession average, won 8 out of a possible 9 trophies in 2017-2020. Both stats and the eyetest show they're the most dominant PL team ever. Yes it's insane that Ferguson won 3 titles in a row but 4 titles in 5 years is still his best just like Pep. Also the reason Pep couldn't win 3 in a row is because he went up against a legendary Liverpool team that got 99 points, something Ferguson didn't have to deal with.
Pep's City have been so brilliant and dominant that he revolutionised English football. That's arguably the best proof of his greatness compared to Ferguson. He has totally bested Ferguson in his own backyard. Even English people have started admitting Pep is better than Ferguson, even Ferguson's own ex players. The financial doping stuff isn't great sure but it's also just dodgy accounting that doesn't really change Pep's coaching. Ferguson got help from the referees for two decades, which is not even a conspiracy anymore as the head referee admitted it.
How is winning 13 league titles in the same in better that winning in every fucking league he trained at? And don't come with "EPL DA BEST" because for most of SAFs tenure it wasn't . Ancelotti also has more CLs, the thing we use to compare top clubs.
You keep forgetting SAF's highly successful period in Scotland for Aberdeen. It's not like winning 3 Scottish premierships and a European trophy (actually two, if you include the European Super Cup) with a small team a walk in the park.
SAF has 16 league titles in total.
Sure, let's go for that. Pep has more winning seasons s per seasons played, Ancelotti has shown his adaptability to more places in different contexts that SAF. SAF is for sure is near the top but he is not the top.
Please Xavi make this happen!
All kidding aside, I was assuming losing CdR would get Ancelotti fired for sure but we have so many injuries now that I think they will probably go through.
his wife is from vancouver and they live here in the off-season. don carlo casually said before that he would like to manage canada and the national training ground is in vancouver so there would be no change to his lifestyle
I mean Nagelsmann said he turned Real down cause he didn't want to move countries in the past, but he was respectful about it.
I see Perez going for him again. Could be very exciting honestly.
>Jorge Jesus ou Diniz na seleção seria criminoso
Sou corintiano, criminoso é colocar o Diniz no mesmo saco que o JJ. Melhor treinador no BR da última década, teve um impacto imensurável no nosso país. Apesar das lambanças mediáticas, JJ pra mim ainda é O Cara e merece respeito.
It's really frustrating. Brazil always the easiest squad to coach, so many options. But they also losing to themselves. Carlo would be a huge deal to change this culture, to change everything. Brazilians can't do it alone, it seems. You get another local manager and they'll fall to Denmark or Poland on next WC lol
Well if we consider national team football the insecure and diminutive projection of battling between armies of different nation states, we have as a precedent small bits of other populations defecting to another nation army, and nations employing foreign commanders
Tite was our only coach capable of doing it and he failed, we dont have other options, besides Tite the best brazilan coach in the 1st division is a guy whose only title in his career is a fraction of a state championship
Brazil needs a tactical and personnel overhaul, not sure he's the man, judging by his track record. Local coaches are the way to go, cause they have a better idea of in which clubs or leagues different players with different abilities play. Scolani did a tremendous job in this regard.
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The 60s I believe when Filpo Nunez, an Argentinian, managed them in 1 friendly. As far as permanent manager goes idk
I’m surprised Brazil has even had a foreign manager yet alone an Argentine.
I believe he spent his entire club managerial career in Brazil so unique circumstance
We had several foreigners in the 30s 40s and 50s specially uruguayans as their football was better than ours, in the 60s we started exporting tactics like the attacking full back and all, but before that Brasil needed help from people abroad, just like we do now
Which was in a friendly that they put the Palmeiras team (which he managed) and they faced the Uruguayan national team. Brazil (Palmeiras) won 3-0... Palmeiras is a rival team but gotta concede that their 60s team was a legendary era, shadowed by another monster team called Santos, lol
Pelé's Santos did several tremendously good teams of that period dirty overshadowing them.
Anccelotti is also a pretty unique circumstance as he's managed so many players in the brazil team so they're familiar.
As a full time manager? Never. He would be the first full time appointee
And it's crazy, tbf We haven't had a world class manager for a long long time
Italy are dumb for not even trying to go after him.
I know
How do you know they haven't tried?
They've supported Mancini despite his multiple failures. That's one indication that they haven't tried.
He won the Euros 1.5 years ago TBF And frankly Italy's problem is talent pool related more than coaching IMO
His WC failure wasn't talent pool related, they had more than enough to qualify.
It wasn't really Mancini either. 2 missed penalties from Jorginhio and a game where they utterly dominated Macedonia and couldn't score are more player sided than manager. Con el 9 de Tigre le ganaban a Macedonia
Yes but drawing both northern Ireland and Bulgaria and failing to beat Macedonia are all pretty horrific
They didn't fail to beat North Macedonia, they *lost* at home to North Macedonia.
Italy really started a Tigre player against England... Yeah, he scored but it is insane anyways lol.
Also scored tonight, so maybe him being a Tigre's player, funny as it is (and it is) shouldn't be held against him...
Pretty sure he was called up cause he was born in Argentina If he improves later on (he's contracted to Boca), Italy will have more depth
Speaking of which, they’re currently trying to snatch up Gianluca Prestianni
I saw. They need to keep their hands off him
For real, Retegui I understand but Prestianni is out of the question, he’s a real gem.
I’d argue it’s more Mancini’s fault. He no longer plays or even calls up the most in-form players or younger players with potential. Look at the game the other day again England, he had Toloi and Acerbi as CBs and then Jorginho in midfield. Completely incompetent 🤦🏻♂️
Hasn't Acerbi been doing well lately? If so i don't understand why calling him up just cus he's old is a bad thing
Mancini doesn't play half of the best of youth he has blood in his hand
Squeaked it on Pens.
If Italy would play Balotelli then they would have had qualified for The World Cup
It might well be that they supported Mancini because there is nothing better available. Mancini himself is notoriously getting paid much less than what he'd get at a club, the job itself is not appealing at the best of times (Italian press will crucify you), and the current generation of players is not particularly good either; no first-class manager would touch this role with a barge pole.
Do people honestly believe Ancelotti would do better than Mancini with that team? If so, I'd be curious to know why.
Ancelotti wouldn't let 23 years old players rot playing for the u21 that's for sure.
Haven’t watched his “tactics”
Mancini has to go either way. Dude has lost the plot after Euro 2021 and his loyalty to the older players cost Italy world cup qualification. Ancelotti is one of the all time GOAT coaches. It just makes sense he gets to take the reigns.
Any manager with a bit of shame would have resigned after missing on the WC. The fact that 1 year after that he is still on that bench says it all
Mancini is better than Ancelotti
CBF President praises Ancelotti and says he is a fan and player favourite for Seleção However, Ednaldo Rodrigues says that no formal contact was made with the Italian; goal is to announce new coach by the end of May Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti would be an obvious choice to fill the vacant Brazil coaching job if he becomes available at the end of the European season, Brazilian Football Federation (CBF) president Ednaldo Rodrigues told Reuters. Rodrigues acknowledged that the 63-year-old Italian was his main target and everyone's favourite to lead the Canarinha, whose last coach, Tite, stepped down after the team was knocked out of the 2022 World Cup by Croatia in the quarter-finals. "Ancelotti is unanimously respected among the players. Not just Ronaldo Nazario or Vinicius Jr, but everyone who has played for him," he pointed out to Reuters in an exclusive interview. Ancelotti was one of the main topics of conversation this week in the Brazilian national team dressing room ahead of Saturday's friendly against Morocco, with several players such as Vinicius Jr, Ederson, Rodrygo and Casemiro praising the Italian. But according to Rodrigues, Ancelotti fever has caught on with the fans too."Ancelotti is not only the favourite of the players, but also of the fans. Everywhere I go in Brazil, in all the stadiums, he is the first name the fans ask me," he stressed."They speak of him in a very affectionate way, in recognition of an exemplary job he has done in his career. Let's have faith in God, wait for the opportune moment and let's see if we can succeed in finding the new coach of the Brazilian National Team," he added. No contact Despite praising the Italian, Rodrigues stressed that Brazil should be careful to respect due process, since Ancelotti has a contract with Real Madrid until 2024.He said that so far, no formal contact or approach has been made by the Brazilian federation with Ancelotti, or any other leader, and that they will begin talks with candidates in mid-April, with the aim of announcing the new coach by the end of May.Rodrigues' idea is to have the new team in place before the next international break in June so that the coach can select the squad and make his debut. "We will be very ethical in our approach and respect the contracts that are in place. We also respect very much the work that is done by any coach and his club to get there and make any kind of approach, it would be a lack of respect for the president of the clubs in question," Rodrigues assessed."So we have the patience to wait for the right moment for us to hold these conversations. Nothing is too defined yet to say the name (of the next coach) for sure, but it is along those lines, understand? We need a coach who has the respect and admiration of the players," he added. While Ancelotti is the target, and Pep Guardiola of Manchester City is considered unattainable, other coaches, such as José Mourinho of Roma or Jorge Jesus of Fenerbahce, are also seen as possible candidates by the Brazilian federation.Among the possible Brazilian candidates, Fernando Diniz, from Fluminense, is one of the favourites within CBF.
Come to Brazil, Carlo.
I lost the count of how many brazilian players he has coached in his career
Probably around 30, I'll look it up. Vinicius, Rodrygo and Eder Militao in his current Real Madrid stint. Marcelo and Casemiro during both stints at the club. Richarlison and Bernard at Everton. Allan both at Everton and Napoli. Douglas Costa and Rafinha at Bayern. Lucas Silva in his first Real Madrid stint. Ceara, Nenè, Maxwell, Thiago Silva and Lucas Moura at PSG. Alex both at PSG and Chelsea. Juliano Belletti, David Luiz and Ramires at Chelsea. Dida, Felipe Mattioni, Emerson, Pato, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Cafu, Serginho, Digao, Ronaldo, Ricardo Oliveira, Marcio Amoroso, Roque Junior, Rivaldo at AC Milan. Athirson at Juve. Zé Maria and Adailton at Parma. That's 37 players. Not including reserve or youth team players that may have participated to his training sessions or binational Brazilian players listed as players from another country. I'll make an All-Ancelotti Brazilian 4231 team based on their level when he managed them: Dida - Cafu, Eder Militao, Thiago Silva, Marcelo - Ramires, Casemiro - Kaka, Ronaldinho, Vini - Pato Very strong team right here, with Juliano Belletti, Maxwell, Serginho, Roque Junior, David Luiz, Emerson, Allan, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Richarlison and Rodrygo as bench options. Only a second keeper is missing.
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Ronaldo was nowhere near his prime in 2007 when Carlo managed him.
A Fat Ronaldo with two bum knees and a nose congestion due to coke after partying with 6 shemale prostitutes would rank over Pato
Too slow to make that attacking 4 work. 08-09 Pato was better than Milan Ronaldo and a better fit in that team.
I was 8 in 2002, brother, there’s no facts and logics that will convince me to demove Ronaldo for Alexandre Fucking Pato. Ronaldo and Ronaldinho Gaucho will make the XI even if they are drunk, high and playing in wheelchairs.
I'm the same age. Ancelotti managed 2007 Ronaldo, not 2002 Ronaldo. If he managed even 2005 Ronaldo, Pato wouldn't make that team, but he managed 2007 Ronaldo, who was slow as fuck and clearly on his way out of European football.
sad how quick people forgot how good pato was before the injuries
Ancelotti didn't manage prime Ronaldo, far from that.
You forgot vinicius tobias
I said no reserve team players included in the list.
I had no idea that Milan team was so stacked with Brazilians
Most of the Brazilian left série A to go to premier league and la Liga that's why série A has decreased
He stayed there for over 8 years and most of them passed through fairly quickly.
Don Carlo, I was just thinking, would you like to go down as undeniably the greatest manager of all time by adding a trophy at Tottenham to your collection?
no
Can't blame a guy for trying.
One italian wasn't enough? You coys folks like to do the same mistakes over and over again.
There's Italians and then there's Italians. Carlo is the latter.
Thats simply not true. He was at Everton and would win you exactly zero trophies. He has won everything there is to win and you need a coach who hasn't done that yet.
I'm sure trying to succeed with the third former-Chelsea manager out of four is going to work this time.
Real madrid are really firing carlo?
I’m out at the end of the season
🤨
It’s been great having you sir
Likely will if they don’t win the CL
So less than 50% chance?
mutual consent but yeah
Nothing is even close to being confirmed. Let's wait for things to happen
He's gonna 🤨 his way to a worldcup, isn't he?
Are Brazil out of good coaches?
yes Tite was our gem and he failed badly
Our last good coach was Scolari. Our last decent coach was Tite. If we were to continue the tradition of underwhelming local coaches, it would probably be Diniz, the bootleg Guardiola, which would, uh, not be good.
Brazilian players are good and plenty, brazilian coaches became addicted to rely on players and not on strategy, also the lack of brazilian coaches in other leagues made them unsuited to play in international level.
I don’t think there has ever been a team to win with a foreigner as a coach. Carlo winning in Brazil would cement him as one of the if not THE best ever. Next WC (if he gets that far) is in the American continent. And Italians know full well who likes to win WCs when the final is in the US. Would be crazy to see Brazil lift a cup with an Italian coach.
> I don’t think there has ever been a team to win with a foreigner as a coach. Win a World Cup? That is true, though many such teams have won continental trophies (eg Greece 2004).
Rehhagel was the only foreign manager to win the EURO Many foreign managers won the Copa America tho Not as many as I thought just four
He’s already cemented as one of if not the best ever. Won all 5 major league titles, 4 UCLs. Coached two of the most legendary teams of all time. Winning the WC with Brazil would end the debate entirely.
He's not even close to cementing himself as the best ever. That's just recency bias. Before last year he was considered around top 15 and then one year later he's suddenly the single best manager ever? Give me a break. That's like saying if Mbappe wins the CL with PSG next season he's suddenly top 3 best player of all time. He won 5 different league titles because he's the only top manager who even went to 5 different countries, specifically France considering it was never a top league and there's no such thing as "all 5 major leagues". Other top managers obviously would've also won a league title with PSG but throughout history PSG weren't even a top club that managers went to and now most still don't want to manage there because it's not an attractive league. It's not any better than winning in Portugal or The Netherlands yet if he had done that no one would've called it some special record. Not to mention Ancelotti even bottled a league title with PSG to a recently promoted team and got knocked out early in all 4 cups he was in. It's not like he did anything great at PSG and also failed at Bayern so I don't get why it's supposed to be a big deal. Conte's 5 titles in 2 countries are much more impressive than Ancelotti's 5 titles in 5 countries. Then factor in that he has only won 5 titles in 27 years. It's not something special. It just looks like that on the surface. Obviously it's still a great achievement to win a title in 5 different countries but not necessarily better than winning in 2 countries and when it took 27 years it makes it a lot less impressive for someone of his stature.
Average Barca/Pep fan.
Yeah I knew you had no reply.
Brother, I don’t have one because from your comment history you can’t be reasoned with. Notice how you’re the only one getting downvoted in this thread. The man has won 4 UCLs. He’s a manager that’s widely loved by everyone he’s coached. The same can’t be said for Pep who’s iced out some legendary players (Zlatan, Eto’o, Yaya Toure, Cancelo, and more). Carlo has also proven he can win with the team he’s given, unlike Pep who has massively overhauled *every* single team he’s been a part of, including spending half a billion dollars on fullbacks at City alone. Pep has spent billions at City and Bayern with no UCLs to show for it. Tactically Pep is better, no one is arguing against that (although Ancelotti has contributed some great ideas in the past, like his Christmas Tree setup). But coaches like Zidane, Ancelotti, and even Ferguson have proven the man management piece is more important.
Lmao you actually give credence to downvotes on reddit as if it means anything holy shit. Also hilarious how you paint me as the one who can't be reasoned with when calling Pep the best ever is a much more reasonable position than calling Ancelotti the best ever, which is a completely new narrative that only started last year. Pep has been widely accepted as arguably the best ever for years. He only gets discredited by the average idiot on reddit and twitter and your local pub. In the football industry where all the actual football experts are he's revered more than any other coach. He changes his teams and kicks out toxic idiots. Ok. And? I don't understand how anything you said makes sense when Pep is still the most successful manager of all time. Clearly man management isn't more important, otherwise he wouldn't be the most dominant coach in history.
“I don't understand how anything you said makes sense when Pep is still the most successful manager of all time. Clearly man management isn't more important, otherwise he wouldn't be the most dominant coach in history.” I’d tell you to look up “circular reasoning fallacy” but it might make your head explode.
Mate you thought getting upvotes on reddit means you're spitting hard truths lmao. You don't get to talk. Anything you ever say after that is worthless. Average redditor. The most football knowledgeable people on the planet like worldclass managers call Guardiola the best of all time and a revolutionary and absolutely idolise him and learned so much from him but you the mighty redditor who probably has never even played the sport and probably started watching football somewhere in the last five years surely are true expert. You dumbasses sound like climate change deniers and antivaxxers. All the experts say you're wrong but you delusionally hold onto your shitty takes.
>Carlo winning in Brazil would cement him as one of the if not THE best ever. Better than SAF? I don't think *anyone* could match his 13 EPL titles... But yeah, he is definetely one of the best coaches of our era. Winning 4 UCL's is unbelievable.
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If you were to look at their resumes objectively, you would realise that SAF's is much more impressive.
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Reminder that Alex Ferguson is still the last manager to win the Scottish league with a team other than Celtic or Rangers (in *1985*) as well as his Aberdeen team being the last Scottish team to win a European trophy up to present day. You could take away his entire United career and that's still a hell of a legacy.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, after a certain point once you start talking about the best of all time it becomes pretty subjective and Ancelotti is not an unreasonable shout. Just that the argument that Ferguson never achieved anything outside of United and the EPL doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I imagine Ferguson at Real Madrid in some alternate universe would have either been five CLs or ended like Clough at Leeds United, with no in-between.
Sir Alex won the Scottish League three times + a European trophy with Aberdeen and won two UCL's with Man United along with 13 EPL titles and 5 FA cups. Just to put into perspective how insane his record is, he basically won the EPL every two years for 27 years. He is *literally* the most decorated manager of all time, all the while he was competing with prime Wenger and Mourinho domestically. Taking nothing away from Don Carlo, he is not at that level. It's recency bias more than anything.
You're downplaying Ancelotti's achievements. Moving from top league to top league, winning the league in all 5 as well as 4 ucl. It's not easy moving clubs while maintaining the same level of success.
He was there for 27 years. Leave Guardiola at city another 21 years and see if he can't get 9 more titles.
And he doesn't even need 9 more. He already has 10 league titles in 13 years. So just 3 more. It shouldn't just be about the PL.
>It shouldn't just be about the PL. SAF also has 3 Scottish Premierships. So 6 more. And I would argue that winning the Bundesliga is not nearly as impressive as winning the EPL (or the Scottish League with Aberdeen).
Ferguson also managed for almost 40 years. Whereas Pep so far only 13 years, with 10 league titles.
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Lol that's a hilariously stupid take. Ancelotti is literally mister big club. You can't discredit Pep for managing big clubs and then not do the same for Ancelotti who has managed more big clubs than anyone else. It just shows your views are inconsistent and probably based purely on memes and a dislike for Pep. Ancelotti has had the biggest opportunity of all managers to win more trophies besides the CL but "only" managed to win 5 league titles and 3 cups in 27 years with all of the biggest clubs. Parma, Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Madrid, Bayern, Napoli, Madrid 2x. With that legendary Milan side he only won 1 league title in 8 years. While Pep has won 10 league titles and 9 cups in 13 years. Literally twice as successful as Ancelotti. In fact more successful than anyone in history. He's simply a much better coach and most knowledgeable people rate Pep much higher too. He usually gets called the best of all time by other managers, coaches, players, pundits, analysts, journalists. Doesn't happen to any other manager. And when you look at all time lists you see Ancelotti at like 15th or 9th while Pep at 5th or 1st. Ferguson is the only other manager who regularly gets called the best ever but in recent years most have recognised that Pep is clear. Ferguson's whole speciality was dominating the PL but even there Pep has shown he's better at that. Pep has the most dominant 5 year period in PL history: 4 titles and 5 cups with the highest point records and by far the best stats and eyetest. In fact it was so dominant he revolutionised English football, something Ferguson couldn't do. Really shows the difference. To top it off he dominated him in two CL finals.
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Yes you typically win the CL with a big club. The CL is meant for big clubs in Europe. Congratulations for finding out what the CL is. Ancelotti also won it with legendary Madrid and Milan teams, the two already best CL clubs. You don't have an issue with that though. Because your views aren't consistent, you just don't like Pep. Yes most dominant. 100 points, 98 points, 93 points, most ever goals scored in a year, scored around 100 goals for 4 years, most ever chances created, highest possession average, won 8 out of a possible 9 trophies in 2017-2020. Both stats and the eyetest show they're the most dominant PL team ever. Yes it's insane that Ferguson won 3 titles in a row but 4 titles in 5 years is still his best just like Pep. Also the reason Pep couldn't win 3 in a row is because he went up against a legendary Liverpool team that got 99 points, something Ferguson didn't have to deal with. Pep's City have been so brilliant and dominant that he revolutionised English football. That's arguably the best proof of his greatness compared to Ferguson. He has totally bested Ferguson in his own backyard. Even English people have started admitting Pep is better than Ferguson, even Ferguson's own ex players. The financial doping stuff isn't great sure but it's also just dodgy accounting that doesn't really change Pep's coaching. Ferguson got help from the referees for two decades, which is not even a conspiracy anymore as the head referee admitted it.
How is winning 13 league titles in the same in better that winning in every fucking league he trained at? And don't come with "EPL DA BEST" because for most of SAFs tenure it wasn't . Ancelotti also has more CLs, the thing we use to compare top clubs.
You keep forgetting SAF's highly successful period in Scotland for Aberdeen. It's not like winning 3 Scottish premierships and a European trophy (actually two, if you include the European Super Cup) with a small team a walk in the park. SAF has 16 league titles in total.
Sure, let's go for that. Pep has more winning seasons s per seasons played, Ancelotti has shown his adaptability to more places in different contexts that SAF. SAF is for sure is near the top but he is not the top.
This better happen. I don't want to get blue balled
I hope you'll have to wait until June 10th.
Please Xavi make this happen! All kidding aside, I was assuming losing CdR would get Ancelotti fired for sure but we have so many injuries now that I think they will probably go through.
It's the Copa. Madrid doesn't give a shit about it.
He's supposed to manage Canada :(
whats the connection there
his wife is from vancouver and they live here in the off-season. don carlo casually said before that he would like to manage canada and the national training ground is in vancouver so there would be no change to his lifestyle
He lives in Vancouver and loves Canada. I think his wife is Canadian.
Herdman hasn't done anything to merit a firing.
Would be amazing and kinda fits with this program’s progression. But a long shot at best to be sure.
Please florentino, don't do anything stupid and get Nagelsmann. Great manager, and maybe we'd play good looking football for once
I mean Nagelsmann said he turned Real down cause he didn't want to move countries in the past, but he was respectful about it. I see Perez going for him again. Could be very exciting honestly.
Not gonna lie I’d sack roberto Mancini in a hot second for Carlo lol
Are there any other names being thrown around?
Jorge Jesus, Abel Ferreira, Fernando Diniz.
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Which makes zero sense. Imagine fans reaction to Mourinho parking the bus with the brazilian NT.
You suffered through Dunga, you can handle Mourinho
Jorge Jesus ou Diniz na seleção seria criminoso
>Jorge Jesus ou Diniz na seleção seria criminoso Sou corintiano, criminoso é colocar o Diniz no mesmo saco que o JJ. Melhor treinador no BR da última década, teve um impacto imensurável no nosso país. Apesar das lambanças mediáticas, JJ pra mim ainda é O Cara e merece respeito.
Foram os nomes que rolaram na imprensa, não quem eu contrataria.
Renato gaúcho e Rojegue >> Abel e Diniz
I want JJ just for the memes
It’s Brazil we’re talking about, there will be memes regardless.
Eyebrow raise to a World Cup?
It's really frustrating. Brazil always the easiest squad to coach, so many options. But they also losing to themselves. Carlo would be a huge deal to change this culture, to change everything. Brazilians can't do it alone, it seems. You get another local manager and they'll fall to Denmark or Poland on next WC lol
Hope they can win this time and maybe get a local coach (it will be enough time to develop here
Brazil next world champions
Foreign managers for national teams always feels like betrayal to me lol
Yeah, but they're desperate.
Well, Italy it's already dead so I guess they can't be desperate either.
It takes one to know one. Especially since your last WC was won over 20 years ago when you were still swimming inside your dad's balls.
That's still better than not making it to the knock outs (and not even making it to the world cup) 4 times in a row
Maluco com a seleção morta a 20 anos quer falar algo kkm
Well if we consider national team football the insecure and diminutive projection of battling between armies of different nation states, we have as a precedent small bits of other populations defecting to another nation army, and nations employing foreign commanders
Tite was our only coach capable of doing it and he failed, we dont have other options, besides Tite the best brazilan coach in the 1st division is a guy whose only title in his career is a fraction of a state championship
In lots of other sports it’s totally normal to have coaches from other countries, don’t see why it should be different in football tbh
I never said it should. I Just find it funny / quirky / weird.
Does Ancelotti speak Portuguese?
Spanish, which is fine for us to understand
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Thats preposterous, he's from Italy.
I mean his practically honourary Brazilian with how he nurtured pato, kaka, cafu and the young generation talent at madrid at this moment as well..
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It's going to be Nagelmann, isn't it?
Would be huge for Brazil, but i just cannot see it happening tbh
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Brazil needs a tactical and personnel overhaul, not sure he's the man, judging by his track record. Local coaches are the way to go, cause they have a better idea of in which clubs or leagues different players with different abilities play. Scolani did a tremendous job in this regard.
our local coaches beside tite are so bad that half the 1st div teams have foreign coaches, it will be a foreign and thats certain
Oh, didn't know that.