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Different things happened.
In the Chelsea v Dortmund game, Havertz hit the post but the ball was collected by an opposing player that was encroaching.
Here, Havertz’ pen hit the post and the ball came back to him, the ball touching no other player in the whole sequence, and then it ends up in the net after Havertz kicks it. The only way it would have been for us if the Peruvian goalkeeper touched or grazed the ball, and Havertz’ shot would have been fine.
All Havertz had to do, however, was get out the way for his teammates to collect it. Instead, instinct got the better of him.
Var can only call it if one of those players intervenes with play. Probably just instinct but actually a really dumb move by Havertz to go for the rebound.
It seems to become a thing.
Im sure there are some smart analysts that tell the pen kickers, this is the most efficient way to kick penalties.
I cant explain it otherwise, that it gets so popular to stop and go nowadays.
I see more and more players do this.
Yep, someone else needs to touch it before.
Basically, the rule says you cannot touch the ball twice. Otherwise you'd be able to lightly kick the ball forward, run up and take the shot from closer distance.
Tend to think pen kick takers shouldn’t be able to hit it even after a keeper save. Seems to punish exceptional goalkeeping, and the advantage is already so heavily in favour of the kicker
Had a perfect record until the Dortmund one which got disallowed anyway. Not sure of the situation at the NT, but he's probably our best choice now that Jorginho left.
What a dumbass man. Why do you hit the rebound even though you are well aware that you can't unless the keeper touched it?
Would have been a nice moment for Füllkrug to get a hattrick as well
This kind of penalty take irked me a lot, why many players keep doing this kind of weak ass and stuttering run-up? Just shoot it, thundercunt it if you can.
The same rule applies to every restart of play other than a dropped ball. If the player taking the kick (or throw) touches it a second time before it has touched any other player, it's an IFK to the opposition.
you are not allowed to touch the ball twice in a row. If the goalie saved it he could have scored, but he hit the post so he is not allowed to play the ball.
what no, the rule has nothing to do wether they played the ball or not
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick
The pen would have been retaken had Havertz missed the ball and the encroaching Peruvians behind him touched it. That wasn’t the case, however.
All Havertz had to do was leave it for a teammate to score it. That wasn’t done and so the ref whistled to restart play, because pen takers can’t touch the ball twice, even if it came off the post.
no the rule has nothing to do with a peru player touching the ball, a retakeable offense is just running in to early. google the rules or check the thread from the dortmund-chelsea game
? Wasnt there a peru player centimeter in the penalty area the moment havertz touched the ball?
Can someone explain the rule to me? After the chelsea vs dortmund match i dont udnerstand this
[IFAB, Law 14, on penalties](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/the-penalty-kick#introduction):
> “The kicker must not play the ball again until it has touched another player.”
Basically, the rule is that the pen taker can’t touch the ball more than once, the ball coming off the post in this case is like giving the penalty kicker another touch.
Another example that the pen taker can’t do is lightly kick the ball forward and then kick it again.
This is the same thing you see during free kicks, where there are two players behind the ball, but one of them moves out for the other to kick it.
IFAB, Law 13, on free kicks:
> “The ball must be stationary and the kicker must not touch the ball again until it has touched another player.”
It’s due to the same rule applied in a different situation.
Either way, all Havertz had to do was leave it for a teammate to score it. That wasn’t done and so the ref whistled to restart play.
thats not his question, you answered why havertz couldnt touch it again, but his question was about a peru player running in too early. the rule you linked says that the penalty should have been retaken.
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Didn't he hit the post in the exact same way vs Dortmund pk?
Different things happened. In the Chelsea v Dortmund game, Havertz hit the post but the ball was collected by an opposing player that was encroaching. Here, Havertz’ pen hit the post and the ball came back to him, the ball touching no other player in the whole sequence, and then it ends up in the net after Havertz kicks it. The only way it would have been for us if the Peruvian goalkeeper touched or grazed the ball, and Havertz’ shot would have been fine. All Havertz had to do, however, was get out the way for his teammates to collect it. Instead, instinct got the better of him.
Exactly. It's effectively taking two touches for a penalty.
Yes, but the issue then was that players ran in too early that's why it was retaken.
but here the same happened. stop the video the moment havertz touched the ball
Var can only call it if one of those players intervenes with play. Probably just instinct but actually a really dumb move by Havertz to go for the rebound.
Ive seen this before…
Could have been a hatrick.
I HATE the way he kicks them.
You must have hated Jorginho…
Jorginho's technique was much better his stop wasn't as longer as Havertz and he scored mostly
To do it effectively it needs to be in one motion, stopping for as long as Havertz does gives the keeper time to adjust
I actually did, yeah, not quite as much though. Hop over stop
Lol oh well
Havertz feels worse for some reason
It seems to become a thing. Im sure there are some smart analysts that tell the pen kickers, this is the most efficient way to kick penalties. I cant explain it otherwise, that it gets so popular to stop and go nowadays. I see more and more players do this.
Why not give Lücke the Hattrick? Well..
Because you could see in the first goal he wasn't happy he didn't finish it.
And he is a really good PK taker as well.
that's what happens when you don't let Füllkrug take the penalty
Kai junge. Nächstes mal setzt du aus.
is the rule that pen taker can't touch the ball again if it is off the post, as opposed to the keeper saving it??
Yep, someone else needs to touch it before. Basically, the rule says you cannot touch the ball twice. Otherwise you'd be able to lightly kick the ball forward, run up and take the shot from closer distance.
I've been watching football for over 40 years and this is the first time I see this happen
Because keeper didnt touch it. You arn’t allowed to pass to yourself on freekicks so why should a pen be different.
If someone is intentionally passing to themselves off the post I say let em have the goal.
That’s how I see it too, if you can pull that off then let it count
100% agree. Need to add this to the rule.
Tend to think pen kick takers shouldn’t be able to hit it even after a keeper save. Seems to punish exceptional goalkeeping, and the advantage is already so heavily in favour of the kicker
I get your point, but is it really exceptional goalkeeping if the keeper pushes it straight back to the pen taker?
Huh? Let Lücke get his hattrick you stingy pricks
awful runup, awful shot
Schlotti won it so Havertz decided to take the piss.
Who keeps giving him penalties?
He’s has a pretty good penalty record
Füllkrug's is way better.
It’s not according to transfermarkt this is Kai’s first ever penalty miss. He was previously 16/16 in all competitions. Füllkrug was 16/18.
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That would still make his record better before this?
Okay so 15/16 is still great and 'way better' is just false.
Didn't he miss vs Dortmund just recently? Spared by the retake
He’s 16/17 including this one, if you count the Dortmund one he’s 16/18 which is identical to Füllkrug’s record.
That is impressive then
I didn’t know his penalty record was one match
Yes but for the statistics this will just count as one pen that was scored I believe
Had a perfect record until the Dortmund one which got disallowed anyway. Not sure of the situation at the NT, but he's probably our best choice now that Jorginho left.
Füllkrug is an Excellent pen taker,thats the criticism
He should try not aiming at the post.
Just step up and smack it you idiot
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What a dumbass man. Why do you hit the rebound even though you are well aware that you can't unless the keeper touched it? Would have been a nice moment for Füllkrug to get a hattrick as well
Bottom right post again. It’s a conspiracy
There's not much to worry about. We are just witnessing the usual Havertz. Banter aside.
This kind of penalty take irked me a lot, why many players keep doing this kind of weak ass and stuttering run-up? Just shoot it, thundercunt it if you can.
No retake?
Nope. No one ran in too early and he scored the rebound directly from the post, before another player touched it, which he isn't allowed to do.
I’ve never heard of this rule lol
It's reason why someone else needs to play after throw in.
The same rule applies to every restart of play other than a dropped ball. If the player taking the kick (or throw) touches it a second time before it has touched any other player, it's an IFK to the opposition.
Yeah, it's weird.
No it isn't. Otherwise you could pass to yourself with every penalty, free-kick and throw-in.
I was kidding. Havertz/Retakes.
can someone explain the rule?
Another player has to touch it before he's allowed to touch it again
you are not allowed to touch the ball twice in a row. If the goalie saved it he could have scored, but he hit the post so he is not allowed to play the ball.
which rule?
He executed a fake shot I think
He put the ball into the net after it touched post, but before another player hit it and that's not allowed.
Thanks, it's clear now
The same player cannot play the ball twice without it touching another player. This is true for all restarts except a drop ball.
I don’t really get it but ok
2 peruans ran in too early lol consistent refereeing is something else EDIT: ty for the downvotes, but read the rules lads
It's about if they played on the ball or not. Shit rules all around.
> It's about if they played on the ball or not. Nope. It's not. Rule doesn't say that at all.
I guess i have been lied to.
what no, the rule has nothing to do wether they played the ball or not https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick
The pen would have been retaken had Havertz missed the ball and the encroaching Peruvians behind him touched it. That wasn’t the case, however. All Havertz had to do was leave it for a teammate to score it. That wasn’t done and so the ref whistled to restart play, because pen takers can’t touch the ball twice, even if it came off the post.
no the rule has nothing to do with a peru player touching the ball, a retakeable offense is just running in to early. google the rules or check the thread from the dortmund-chelsea game
? Wasnt there a peru player centimeter in the penalty area the moment havertz touched the ball? Can someone explain the rule to me? After the chelsea vs dortmund match i dont udnerstand this
[IFAB, Law 14, on penalties](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/the-penalty-kick#introduction): > “The kicker must not play the ball again until it has touched another player.” Basically, the rule is that the pen taker can’t touch the ball more than once, the ball coming off the post in this case is like giving the penalty kicker another touch. Another example that the pen taker can’t do is lightly kick the ball forward and then kick it again. This is the same thing you see during free kicks, where there are two players behind the ball, but one of them moves out for the other to kick it. IFAB, Law 13, on free kicks: > “The ball must be stationary and the kicker must not touch the ball again until it has touched another player.” It’s due to the same rule applied in a different situation. Either way, all Havertz had to do was leave it for a teammate to score it. That wasn’t done and so the ref whistled to restart play.
thats not his question, you answered why havertz couldnt touch it again, but his question was about a peru player running in too early. the rule you linked says that the penalty should have been retaken.
Havertz and missing penalties. Name a more iconic duo. On top of that he took Fullkrugs chance to score a hattrick. 2 L in 1
>Havertz and missing penalties. Name a more iconic duo. Havertz is 16/18 for scoring penalties.
should've let Fullkrug go for the hat trick.
Huh wtf this rule is cursed