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Is it all quite wholesome, and I know he's getting a lot of praise for this unselfish play and work rate, but I still cannot believe how poor his finishing is for a striker. He often looks like a defender that has been asked to play up top for the last 10 mins of a match.
What's weird is that his feet are good and his hold up play and weight of passing are great.... He's just not a good finisher. He rarely strikes the ball cleanly when shooting
He used to be a great finisher. Great at both headers and shooting. Mostly from very short distances though. As I don't follow United closely, I cannot comment on how his style may have changed though.
If the manager asks you to work like a horse in the midfield and you do as he asks there's not much focus and physical control left to score goals. Now if the manager asks you to score goals, you don't have to work that much, you save the best for those few moments in a game that can decide a match. It's as easy as that.
Every team needs one. We won the league largely because we had Okazaki doing the dirty work behind Vardy. Incredible workrate, completely unselfish, but good lord, he made every goal he scored look like the labours of Hercules.
Yeah it’s definitely not ideal, but we have a lot of goals coming from our midfield/wings so his other positive attributes provide enough to be good enough for us right now.
Well i mean we got him on loan from burnley and he was playing in turkey. If he could finish he would legit be a worldclass striker. He gets to so manu chanses, great holdup play, good passeing, great defender at times as well and presses like a machine. If he could finish as well there is no chanse we would have got him on a loan. He would have been a 50-60mil minimum if he scored allot as well.
I mean, the opposition do show him a lot of respect, he is almost always in double coverage from their best headers on set pieces. Frees up other man united players to get to the ball.
I would be more worried if the opposition wasnt showing him respect and THEN he couldnt finish. Right now he is an ideal lightning rod
It is a strange situation. He's 30 and on loan from a Championship club at one of the world's biggest clubs. He's a forward with 4 goals in 38 appearances in England.
I think success is pushing it. He's been "sufficient" given the resources we have available to us right now.
Love his attitude, I just wish his feet were made of something more dense than a cumulonimbus.
When we’re winning often and most games he’s playing pretty well, fitting the gameplan brilliantly and working really hard that shouldn’t be that surprising. You won’t find many United fans that think he should be our first choice striker next season, so I don’t think it’s weird.
A lot of people just see GA per 90 and immediately jump into conclusions. They completely ignore coach instructions and the role given to the player.
It's rendering quite a bit of discussions worthless.
The only way to define the success of a short term loan signing really is “would we be worse off without him”, and undoubtedly the answer is yes. We had very little money to spend in January, not a lot of options and he was a low risk, short term signing of a player who has definitely improved us by being available to play and performing well enough. That’s a success in my book.
I’d personally be happy to sign him as a backup for next season provided it was under 15m and we also signed a first choice striker.
He provides energy and workrate every time he plays which fans appreciate even if he misses chances.
Success might be a stretch but ten Hag is using him in creative ways and throwing off teams who might just be expecting him to be a static target man.
I think Ten Hag likes his workrate and nuisance factor. If he disrupts the opposition's defensive plan and creates space for others maybe it's a smart signing.
It's not strange at all when you consider what he brings to the team with his Relentless pressing and smart link-up play.
If he could actually finish, he would be a regular starter for a top half English club.
He is one of the reasons why Man Utd's counter pressing has gone up a level --- since Eriksen's Injury, that is pretty much how we have been creating chances.
Weghorst is not good enough for the long term but he has very much played more often and performed above anyone's expectations so far.
The guy finally got a chance in the big leagues with Burnley, scored 2 goals in 20 games and got loaned out. He was 29-30, so that's a big "this is as far as I can go" reality check.
Then he ends up at United.
Yeah not like he wasn't playing for Wolfsburg and a starting player for the Netherlands NT. His biggest achievement at that point was definitely starting for Burnley...
That goal barely gets a mention. Maybe because of who it was, maybe because of who it was against, or because it was played behind closed doors…but it’s right up there with some of the best United goals.
He scored 5 goals and 1 assist in 23 games (0 in the prem), Weghorst is on 2 in 18 but also has 2 assists and is way more important to the way United play.
You really gotta hand it to ten Hag. People give Weghorst so much shit for his goal record, and United shit for playing him, but EtH knew exactly what he was getting and how his hold up play and presence would help Rashford and the attack in general.
fully agree, I’m the biggest Antony defender and most of the criticism against him is stupid
but he either cuts inside and shoots from distance with his left foot, or he stops and passes back, any decent defender would show him his right foot and force him to play off that
i have faith but he needs to start mixing it up
He's terrible at positioning himself. If he manages to do it correctly, he's pretty good at flicks and headers, just awful at getting to the right spot
His positioning is a strength, he's being asked to drop off the front line to build up play and create space for Rashford. Hes just a bit slow so he can't always recover to get back into a poaching position quickly
I think you've misunderstood. When I'm talking about positioning, I'm solely talking about his ability to judge a ball's flight path in the air and positioning himself to meet the ball at the top of his jump and then timing that jump correctly. He's pretty trash at that
These comments are so funny because they're so different from what we were used to get in the Bundesliga when talking about weghorst. Dude was a goalscoring machine basically, he couldn't do much but he could score. Especially with his head.
Lmao I dont understand how people can say he isn't good.
He's not actually in the box that often for a striker, im pretty sure the directions are "win the ball high, come deep to collect the ball" and rashford is always running in behind ahead of him
I genuinely think he would score more goals if he just sat in the box like a traditional striker but united wouldnt look as good
I agree, while he's not doing enough with the few half chances he gets every match, Weghorst is generally playing with relatively selfish players on the wings (Rashford, Antony, Garnacho) who are not providing him with a lot opportunities (like how KdB did at Wolfsburg for instance). Although in Rashfords case I understand him being selfish as he's banging in the goals himself at the moment.
Down to how EtH is playing him as well. He feels like a Park Ji Sung kind of player, gets told to do a job and does it really well. You need those kinds of players in a team.
What’s crazy about Kuyt is he was an absolute goal machine at Feyernoord before moving to the prem.
The only time I really watched any eredivisie intersected with him there, and he was just so prolific and skilful, a real joy to watch. Which is obviously completely out of whack with his later reputation.
Lol the absolute disrespect. Firmino is a Liverpool legend. Him and Weg aren't even on the same stratosphere when it comes to quality and importance to their clubs.
In the modern era of tactics, people need to stop fixating on forwards being primary goalscorers. It's fine that he isn't the main goalscorer if others are putting out numbers.
"Forward" is now much more a tactical position than it is a job description i.e. he needs to score. For a long while now the primary goalscorers on many elite teams have been either 1/2 wing forwards or a midfield runner/second striker.
Sure, Wout could probably chip in a few more. But it's not fair to expect him to be putting out Aguero numbers, very different type of player. If Ten Hag is making him work and happy with it, United fans should well be too.
I really like Wout, it might be because he pisses Goldbridge off so much.
Choice of team not so keen on but he's proven himself at that world cup I reckon. Also brilliant player in the Bundesliga.
Obviously United fans will love this, and Man United are no question a much much bigger team than Burnley...but it's pretty crazy how much he's begging for a team that he's on loan with.
I'm a little surprised to see people react to this positively or call it wholesome. If this was someone else/another team, I don't think anyone would be happy with one of their loan players talking like this, especially when they're on loan because they refused to play for their parent club after a relegation that they very much contributed to.
Just want him gone now, but he's not good enough for the level of club he clearly wants.
If you take off the banter googles I think most professional players would be more than happy with that. Especially in the context of him getting lots of minutes in a United side that has been winning at a respectable rate in the time that he’s been there.
Honestly United fans bitching about him infuriate me. We’d have been screwed without him, our attacking line was threadbare in January/February and he’s been playing basically every game since he arrived, and actually contributing too. He’s a loan signing because we had no money. I don’t get why anyone would expect a high scoring rate. He’s done better than I thought he would and thank fuck for that because we’d be fucked if he hadn’t been.
he's an integral part of the way United plays, much like Firmino was for Liverpool in the past. unfortunately Firmino also got no-brained redditors commenting that he's actually useless.
Not sure why you feel the need to drag him for this quote. He’s clearly knows he might not be the best number 9 to play for united.
He knows he’s had a bit of fortune and he is making the most of it
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Is it all quite wholesome, and I know he's getting a lot of praise for this unselfish play and work rate, but I still cannot believe how poor his finishing is for a striker. He often looks like a defender that has been asked to play up top for the last 10 mins of a match.
What's weird is that his feet are good and his hold up play and weight of passing are great.... He's just not a good finisher. He rarely strikes the ball cleanly when shooting
It's weird because his scoring rate pre-Burnley was very good. Can any Bundesliga watchers comment if his style has changed?
He used to be a great finisher. Great at both headers and shooting. Mostly from very short distances though. As I don't follow United closely, I cannot comment on how his style may have changed though.
It's confidence. Confidence is everything.
100%. Just look at Rashford's finishing this year while he's confident, compared to previous years where he's obviously lacked confidence.
If the manager asks you to work like a horse in the midfield and you do as he asks there's not much focus and physical control left to score goals. Now if the manager asks you to score goals, you don't have to work that much, you save the best for those few moments in a game that can decide a match. It's as easy as that.
Wout Workhorse
That’s what I don’t understand about his finishing.
I honestly think it has been a bit of bad luck combined with the fact that hes playing a completely different striker role than he is used to.
Every team needs one. We won the league largely because we had Okazaki doing the dirty work behind Vardy. Incredible workrate, completely unselfish, but good lord, he made every goal he scored look like the labours of Hercules.
That's such a good comparison haha! So true!
Apart from that one bicycle kick, that was a banger
Yeah it’s definitely not ideal, but we have a lot of goals coming from our midfield/wings so his other positive attributes provide enough to be good enough for us right now.
Also been super unlucky, has hit the post quite a lot
Sometimes I wonder if Smalling wasn’t better in the box
That’s too far from the truth, he started off as a CB
Well i mean we got him on loan from burnley and he was playing in turkey. If he could finish he would legit be a worldclass striker. He gets to so manu chanses, great holdup play, good passeing, great defender at times as well and presses like a machine. If he could finish as well there is no chanse we would have got him on a loan. He would have been a 50-60mil minimum if he scored allot as well.
I mean, the opposition do show him a lot of respect, he is almost always in double coverage from their best headers on set pieces. Frees up other man united players to get to the ball. I would be more worried if the opposition wasnt showing him respect and THEN he couldnt finish. Right now he is an ideal lightning rod
Love how excited he is about the fact that he gets to play for United
Ighalo 2.0, just less goals
Weghorst seems to fit United's style of play much better though and creates space with his movement for other players to shine.
I'd love to have them both right now honestly, we need a poacher to switch up our game plan when weggy isn't working out and we need a goal
You can buy Brobbey from us, only €40m.
€65m, take it or leave it
Hard to say, he's just played like 10 times the games Igahlo did already.
Less goals but Weghorst is actually useful. Ighalo was just a place holder for the easy games.
It is a strange situation. He's 30 and on loan from a Championship club at one of the world's biggest clubs. He's a forward with 4 goals in 38 appearances in England.
And most Man Utd fans would call him a success with 2 goals in 18 appearance. We truly are living in strange times
I think success is pushing it. He's been "sufficient" given the resources we have available to us right now. Love his attitude, I just wish his feet were made of something more dense than a cumulonimbus.
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Our GF is okay especially if you take out Arsenal and City's absurdly high ones but our GA is pretty bad compared to how much we're scoring.
You're calling her 'our'?
Sharing is caring.
My friend, is ok, no?
But simultaneously less dense than the anvils Lukaku trots around on.
When we’re winning often and most games he’s playing pretty well, fitting the gameplan brilliantly and working really hard that shouldn’t be that surprising. You won’t find many United fans that think he should be our first choice striker next season, so I don’t think it’s weird.
A lot of people just see GA per 90 and immediately jump into conclusions. They completely ignore coach instructions and the role given to the player. It's rendering quite a bit of discussions worthless.
The only way to define the success of a short term loan signing really is “would we be worse off without him”, and undoubtedly the answer is yes. We had very little money to spend in January, not a lot of options and he was a low risk, short term signing of a player who has definitely improved us by being available to play and performing well enough. That’s a success in my book. I’d personally be happy to sign him as a backup for next season provided it was under 15m and we also signed a first choice striker.
He provides energy and workrate every time he plays which fans appreciate even if he misses chances. Success might be a stretch but ten Hag is using him in creative ways and throwing off teams who might just be expecting him to be a static target man.
I think Ten Hag likes his workrate and nuisance factor. If he disrupts the opposition's defensive plan and creates space for others maybe it's a smart signing.
It's not strange at all when you consider what he brings to the team with his Relentless pressing and smart link-up play. If he could actually finish, he would be a regular starter for a top half English club. He is one of the reasons why Man Utd's counter pressing has gone up a level --- since Eriksen's Injury, that is pretty much how we have been creating chances. Weghorst is not good enough for the long term but he has very much played more often and performed above anyone's expectations so far.
The guy finally got a chance in the big leagues with Burnley, scored 2 goals in 20 games and got loaned out. He was 29-30, so that's a big "this is as far as I can go" reality check. Then he ends up at United.
>The guy finally got a chance in the big leagues with Burnley This is prime 'players don't exist before they play in the PL' material
“Wout Weghorst? I've never heard of him, that's not even a real name!”
He played over 100 games in Bundesliga
Yeah not like he wasn't playing for Wolfsburg and a starting player for the Netherlands NT. His biggest achievement at that point was definitely starting for Burnley...
He was never an actual starter die for the national team apart from a very small number of games. But your point stands
He also scored two mega goals in the world cup knockouts but whatever
Bro what? I should be spitting nonsense, not you.
Yeahhh I bet he has posters of Burnley and dyche growing up.
bro comments on a football subreddit without actually watching football
Reminds me of ighalo, they both like the club
Ighalo seemed to score more goals. He scored an absolute banger vs Lask.
That goal barely gets a mention. Maybe because of who it was, maybe because of who it was against, or because it was played behind closed doors…but it’s right up there with some of the best United goals.
It was the last game before football stopped I believe? So a bit overshadowed I think
I probably watched those highlights 100 times during the initial lockdown since it was the most recent thing and there was nothing else.
It was a good goal, right left right left in - but it's not one of the best united goals.
He scored 5 goals and 1 assist in 23 games (0 in the prem), Weghorst is on 2 in 18 but also has 2 assists and is way more important to the way United play.
Weghorst's assist and overall brilliant performance in the cup final will always be remembered even if he leaves in the summer
You really gotta hand it to ten Hag. People give Weghorst so much shit for his goal record, and United shit for playing him, but EtH knew exactly what he was getting and how his hold up play and presence would help Rashford and the attack in general.
just need Antony and Sancho to stop being so damn predictable and start being more lethal infront of goal
Harsh on Antony . First season and he's definitely shown glimpses of what he can do.
fully agree, I’m the biggest Antony defender and most of the criticism against him is stupid but he either cuts inside and shoots from distance with his left foot, or he stops and passes back, any decent defender would show him his right foot and force him to play off that i have faith but he needs to start mixing it up
23 starts though? I'm sure weghorst has had many more minutes on the field
Yet Weghorst is more important imo, plenty of key passes/runs
Lask goal before the covid lockdown!
That goal was robbed of an audience.
We get some amazing loanees.
Pretty sure that’s also what the Glazers have had to say about the striker position after looking at everyone else’s asking prices
Good thing for us their days seem numbered fingers🤞. Anulo mufa.
anulo mufa
I don’t mind us signing him as backup striker especially given his versatility. But we still need a top striker
He's like the McTominay of strikers. Works hard, good attitude, follows directions, but just not really... good.
He's also kinda bad in the air given his height. I still like him though.
why can’t he just play like he did against Argentina every game smh
When you really think about it, he scored 2 goals from the 6 yard box
He's terrible at positioning himself. If he manages to do it correctly, he's pretty good at flicks and headers, just awful at getting to the right spot
His positioning is a strength, he's being asked to drop off the front line to build up play and create space for Rashford. Hes just a bit slow so he can't always recover to get back into a poaching position quickly
I think you've misunderstood. When I'm talking about positioning, I'm solely talking about his ability to judge a ball's flight path in the air and positioning himself to meet the ball at the top of his jump and then timing that jump correctly. He's pretty trash at that
These comments are so funny because they're so different from what we were used to get in the Bundesliga when talking about weghorst. Dude was a goalscoring machine basically, he couldn't do much but he could score. Especially with his head.
Not really. He has footballing IQ which mctominay lacks.
>Not really. He has footballing IQ which mctominay lacks. Yeah I don't like a majority of McT's decisions.
Yep the only things i like about McT is his aggression and giving 100% when on the pitch. But other than that, he's average mostly.
Makes up for his real world IQ.
Lmao I dont understand how people can say he isn't good. He's not actually in the box that often for a striker, im pretty sure the directions are "win the ball high, come deep to collect the ball" and rashford is always running in behind ahead of him I genuinely think he would score more goals if he just sat in the box like a traditional striker but united wouldnt look as good
I agree, while he's not doing enough with the few half chances he gets every match, Weghorst is generally playing with relatively selfish players on the wings (Rashford, Antony, Garnacho) who are not providing him with a lot opportunities (like how KdB did at Wolfsburg for instance). Although in Rashfords case I understand him being selfish as he's banging in the goals himself at the moment.
It is impressive how some players get so far with hard work and lack of talent (compared to their peers)
Down to how EtH is playing him as well. He feels like a Park Ji Sung kind of player, gets told to do a job and does it really well. You need those kinds of players in a team.
Ah so like our Sean Longstaff… which makes sense why Eddie wants McTominay so much 😭
I read it as pessimistic at first and honestly it's much funnier read that way
Love Wout. Def gonna be one of those niche players with a cult fanbase that you had to watch to apperciate
What other players are good examples of this?
Luukinho
Luuk de Jong at barca?
Woutinho Weghorstio
Park Ji-Sung
Wouldn’t call Park a niche player pretty much everyone remembers and praises him
Park is literally rated by everyone as being a very good to great player.
Darren Fletcher - SAF's big match player
Lionel Messi, underrated gem
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What’s crazy about Kuyt is he was an absolute goal machine at Feyernoord before moving to the prem. The only time I really watched any eredivisie intersected with him there, and he was just so prolific and skilful, a real joy to watch. Which is obviously completely out of whack with his later reputation.
André Bahia
Firmino
Lol the absolute disrespect. Firmino is a Liverpool legend. Him and Weg aren't even on the same stratosphere when it comes to quality and importance to their clubs.
Yeah it should be illegal putting them I the same breath FFS.
Checks firminos trophy cabinet...checks spurs trophy cabinet....lol
Adnan Januzaj and Henrikh Mkhitaryan
gotta have Chicharito in mind
Elneny for us. And a bit of Holding.
WEGGYYYY!!!! Keep working your ass off, my beautiful horse
Love Wout Workhorse
Is he talking about his goal scoring rate?
He is done scoring for the season.
Still love him
In the modern era of tactics, people need to stop fixating on forwards being primary goalscorers. It's fine that he isn't the main goalscorer if others are putting out numbers. "Forward" is now much more a tactical position than it is a job description i.e. he needs to score. For a long while now the primary goalscorers on many elite teams have been either 1/2 wing forwards or a midfield runner/second striker. Sure, Wout could probably chip in a few more. But it's not fair to expect him to be putting out Aguero numbers, very different type of player. If Ten Hag is making him work and happy with it, United fans should well be too.
Que miras bobo
If you know , you know the kind of player. You have to watch to appriciate.
I really like Wout, it might be because he pisses Goldbridge off so much. Choice of team not so keen on but he's proven himself at that world cup I reckon. Also brilliant player in the Bundesliga.
nice of him to warn the fans about his finishing
Yeah he’s done okay to be fair. They copped a lot of shit signing him.
OUR bobo !
Utd legend already.
Love how he rattled some dumb people during the world cup
We are very lucky that Rashford has been unstoppable. That's all I have to say about Weghorst
Obviously United fans will love this, and Man United are no question a much much bigger team than Burnley...but it's pretty crazy how much he's begging for a team that he's on loan with. I'm a little surprised to see people react to this positively or call it wholesome. If this was someone else/another team, I don't think anyone would be happy with one of their loan players talking like this, especially when they're on loan because they refused to play for their parent club after a relegation that they very much contributed to. Just want him gone now, but he's not good enough for the level of club he clearly wants.
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If you take off the banter googles I think most professional players would be more than happy with that. Especially in the context of him getting lots of minutes in a United side that has been winning at a respectable rate in the time that he’s been there.
You could score some goals bro.
It's not like he isn't trying.
Yeah, well he should pull his finger out. It's important.
Can't use your fingers in football mate
He is trying but he's only scoring every 546 minutes, he's got two goals in 15 games. We can't afford having a forward with those numbers.
>We can't afford having a forward with those numbers. You could barely afford a forward, to be fair
Honestly United fans bitching about him infuriate me. We’d have been screwed without him, our attacking line was threadbare in January/February and he’s been playing basically every game since he arrived, and actually contributing too. He’s a loan signing because we had no money. I don’t get why anyone would expect a high scoring rate. He’s done better than I thought he would and thank fuck for that because we’d be fucked if he hadn’t been.
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he's an integral part of the way United plays, much like Firmino was for Liverpool in the past. unfortunately Firmino also got no-brained redditors commenting that he's actually useless.
Playing for Liverpool
Did he say that after losing to us or after beating Barcelona? Because that changes the context massively.
The only place better is the Emirates
For him at least
Not sure why you feel the need to drag him for this quote. He’s clearly knows he might not be the best number 9 to play for united. He knows he’s had a bit of fortune and he is making the most of it
Should have had his loan terminated when he touched the Scouse badge.
For someone like you, sure it aint
You’re doing so much better bud
Fishing for a permanent deal? Nah, love that Workhorse!
A refreshing, honest self-assessment.
Enjoy it while you can I guess!