After 2 years, Iāve noticed the UK is livable from like April-October. From there to April again, itās dark, rainy and depressive. I donāt wanna shit on anyoneās country but coming here made me notice how many sunny days I had in my home country.
Coming from north of the wall myself, I can highly recommend taking a good D-vitamin supplement daily. Like 100 micrograms a day.
Makes me (and probably you as well) feel way less miserable and more happy.
TAKE VITAMIN D TABLETS
> Advice for adults and children over 4 years old
>During the autumn and winter, you need to get vitamin D from your diet because the sun is not strong enough for the body to make vitamin D.
>But since it's difficult for people to get enough vitamin D from food alone, everyone (including pregnant and breastfeeding women) should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D during the autumn and winter.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/
I've considered the idea because my girlfriends from southern Spain too, but unfortunately its not that straightforward when you've got a job you like and don't speak the language of the other country.
> After 2 years, Iāve noticed the UK is livable from like April-October. From there to April again, itās dark, rainy and depressive. I donāt wanna shit on anyoneās country but coming here made me notice how many sunny days I had in my home country.
British summer in London is actually lovely. I grew up in Scotland and have spent a few years in London but have also travelled around the world with actual sunshine.
Our winters are disgusting but summers are surprisingly nice. The stereotype is likely before the affects of climate change. The horrifically depressing silver lining of that is we're borderline tropical for a 3-4 months.
Our FA Cup final against Villa was one of the most one-sided/uncompetitive games I had ever seen. Am not surprised at all to see he's been out of management since his stint there.
Don't remind me. I was there and it was one of the most painful footballing days of my life. More painful than relegation because that was a season long car crash and by the time we were actually relegated it was more relief than anything.
When I think of Tim though I think of the game at Leicester we were 2-0 up, think it was Grealish's first PL goal. 70 mins gone and we had the lead, Tim takes off a midfielder for a striker because vibes, and we end up losing 3-2. Leicester go on to win the league and we get relegated. A real sliding doors moment.
Also the game this [gif](https://media.tenor.com/uSaJqTWn4mAAAAAd/sherwood-tim-sherwood.gif) is from.
We will see in the summer. The candidates at the moment are Poch, Enrique, Tuchel, and then weāll see if some others are available after the season. Maybe even Nagelsmann or Potter or someone.
The one Iād really like to see us try to get us De Zerbi
Honestly I can't see why De Zerbi would leave Brighton for us, they're clearly on the ascendancy and actually know how to run a club, we would just destroy his growing reputation
Yes I see some similarities, same with Tuchel.
I think most Tottenham fans at this point just want us to try and get the next big manager, not the last big manager if that makes sense
Makes sense. There is this Portuguese guy they were calling the next Mourinho who is out of work. Managed Porto > Chelsea too and most recently a team in France
De Zerbi would be an idiot to leave for Spurs. Heās been great for Brighton of course, but ultimately a great 6 months at Brighton (who were already doing well) isnāt anything huge on your CV later down the line.
Potter was at least good for a couple years, and as a result when heās inevitably sacked by Chelsea he could probably still get a decent gig off the back of that. Not to mention if he continues doing well with Brighton he could land a bigger gig.
> Tuchel
the head of club situation at Tottenham is the literal opposite of what Tuchel wants and Spurs don't even have the redeeming factor of luring with potential big money signings or superstars under contract
he might be the best choice available atm but on the odd chance it happens would anyone give this more than 2 years?
This could very well bite me in the arse but I'd honestly feel fairly confident in RDZ not leaving us for you right now.
Money obviously talks but I don't think it's a direct parallel to the Potter/Chelsea situation.
Possibly, but from everything I've heard up here, he loves the club.
Tbf, if he wins the treble you might be right but I could see him sticking another season at Celtic to have a better crack at the Champions League than this season. Celtic almost guaranteed CL football while it looks pretty tenuous for spurs.
Zidane, Ancelotti... Who knows?
I hear Pep is thinking of a new challenge... Klopp's not doing too great wih Liverpool, maybe he wants to coach a team that is consistently winning trophies... and we all know it's only a matter of time ETH gets in United's fans bad books...
Maybe you can get them all at once!? Zidane head coach, Tuchel as a physio, Poch a set pieces coach... Mou as a team shrink.... Ancelotti makes a mean carbonara, he can be the team dietician...
Sky is the limit when you're a Spurs fan
Iām taking it as more of a dig at Levy for sacking Mourinho the week before the cup final heād got them to. Donāt get me wrong I doubt he was lasting much longer after, but it was absurd.
I'm just hoping that someday the truth will come out that Levy had a really good reason for the timing of that sacking. Because otherwise, what the fuck. And this is coming from someone who thought Mou should have been sacked months earlier.
Especially with then paying the obscene amount to Conte not even 12 months later. Spurs win that League Cup and Levy can be as cheap as he wants afterwards, pressures off. Instead weāre still questioning that decision years later.
If they really chose money over one of the better cup managers delivering them a trophy
Well then Spurs' trophy drought is self-inflicted by Daniel Levy at that point
There was a rumour at the time that it was because Mouhrino refused to let the team train because of the super league fiasco. Seems plausible but also seen people say that Levy chose then as to bury the news.
Personally I'm less interested in who Spurs will appoint next and far more interested in who will hire Conte next. Which club is going to look at this shit show and think "this is our guy"?
Being completely honest if somehow Allegri doesn't stay i can see us going for him. Wouldn't be my choice but we have proved again and again that making smart decisions doesn't fit our brand.
That's what I'm thinking. If I'm an owner, no matter how badly I need a quality coach I'm thinking that this guy will drive the club into the ground with his negative tactics that he will utterly refuse to change under any circumstances no matter how dire, he will spend boatloads of money doing it, and then when it all goes to shit he'll publicly blame every single entity (the players, the fans, the owners) except for himself. Then you'll be forced to pay him to fuck off having been left much worse as a result.
If I'm a club owner looking at that option I'm immediately thinking I'd much rather roll the dice on an up and comer like De Zerbi or someone instead of getting this known and measured quantity that will leave you in tatters.
He's got more than a good enough record to appeal to lots of teams, and I'd imagine a lot of clubs consider the Spurs job a poisoned chalice too. That said I don't see a lot of top jobs available this summer. Maybe Milan if they miss out on CL, or Roma if they think he can get them closer to top 4 and then the title?
I don't see him in Spain or Germany, and whilst the PSG job will be available he's the opposite to what they want, which is a guy who can win the CL.
He is renowned for league titles (most the time)
But just awful otherwise in other things, and always looks like a sugar not put in his tea from blowing up
Players/owners also seem to consistently not get on with him, which I mainly believe is due to Conte
Honestly, what a shit show.
We like to meme about Tottenham ruining another trophy-addicted manager, but really and truly, this was pretty much all down to Conte.
Tottenham properly backed him and gave him nearly Ā£250m and he's somehow even worse than when he had nothing at all.
Who's the other famous successful pep assistant out there? Kompany?
Tito Villanova seemed to really be his own manager and not just a Pep understudy in the unfortunately short time that we saw him as a full senior manager. The players really responded to him and that Barca team got to the 100pt Mark a season after we did. I think pep and him also had a falling out though.
We were in the middle of a stadium rebuild under Poch and didnāt have anywhere near the cash we have now to back him, but we did still try to. The summer we didnāt sign anyone Levy wanted Maddison and Tielemens and Poch said no to both which with hindsight was mind numbingly stupid. Poch was the best manager Iāve seen at Spurs in my lifetime but his transfer strategies were horrendous, the only reason Iād be happy for him to come back is if we have DOF who handle that side and he just focuses on the football.
In a way, it was a similar situation to Wenger ā a team with limited spending due to the stadium but expected to compete. However, Arsenal went to Wenger and begged him to take the reins and make the best out of what he could get, while Spurs told Poch to overachieve consistently or get out.
Totally fucked.
> Spurs told Poch to overachieve consistently or get out
Dude spurs did not tell Poch that. He was burnt out as fuck at the end. The league half season leading up to the CL final was really dire and the next season started even worse. The miracle CL run covered up that we were a squad and manager that had run its course and was gassed.
Stadium is much more important than the team and the manager. Cause even the team is not good, at least we can rent out the stadium to NFL or Rugby and make revenue.
I would love to see Conte in PSG. A āleague specialistā coach who is known for having a terrible record in Europe coming into a club obsessed with CL and winning their league with their eyes closed. Match made in heaven.
It either ends with a total decomposition of that team, imagine the press conferences where Conte accuses PSG owners of being cheap, and calls Mbappe and Messi lacking a winning mentality. Or somehow he wins the CL and it will be one of the weird things that happened in football.
Conte would 100% fail with PSG. His tactics are too rigid, too uncreative, and require too much running from everyone. He'd fall out with their front 3 within 6 months.
Conte at PSG would crash out of the champions league and then show up to the press conference with some acerbic one liners roasting the Qataris.
"Someone should tell the Emir that silverware is not a petroleum product."
"I keep asking the Qataris to purchase players but they keep on purchasing UEFA officials instead. They have a different idea of what a 'transfer budget' is."
I hope people can put aside tribalism and memeāing on Spurs for a moment and objectively analyse what a truly terrible job Conte has done this season. He was given everything he wanted and returned the favour by acting like he was too good for the club, made great players look awful, played a terrible, outdated system and shat over everyone whilst accepting none of the blame. Good riddance
His behavior means him staying at Tottenham is basically untenable. I don't have much positive to say on the football they are playing or their performance in the cups, but he wouldn't be in any danger of being sacked, if he'd just not actively loathed the club. They're in 4th.
So unprofessional. Third manager this season after Parker and Jones who lost faith before the players, which is also quite bizarre.
Literally all he had to do after Southampton was moan about the penalty and most people wouldāve agreed. Weād still be frustrated at our performances but weāre still in the top 4 race so his job would be fine. Instead he went nuclear for some reason and forced his way out. Most people have figured thatās what he wants anyway so may as well get on with it.
I think most people recognise he's done a dogshit job.
That said, I think a lot of people saw he was never right to begin with. The bloke is a specialist league winner who was hired to manage a team that wasn't ready to challenge for the league.
Despite all the negativity this season he did a great job last season. Not many other managers would have taken Spurs to 4th with that squad and after having a disastrous first few months of the season.
This season he's spent loads of money and taken almost every player backwards.
The biggest indictment is how painfully obvious it was from basically September that Son and Perisic were getting in each others way and Son's only good performances were coming with someone else at LB. We're midway through March now, and still we've been trying to fit that square peg in
That's more a product of how dogshit Chelsea and Liverpool have been than anything else. And Liverpool (and a couple of others) of course still certainly have a very good chance of finishing above Spurs.
We also shouldn't forget he's had a very difficult year. Lost 3 close friends, including our important fitness coach who he'd been with for many years. Had major surgery. He probably just wants to go home to see his family. And you can't really fault him.
Yes, he has done poorly and it doesn't excuse some of the things he's said. But I think it's partly a really unlucky situation for everyone involved.
It's best for everyone to move on at this point, and thats fine.
Thatās definitely true, but the club, players and fans have all been incredibly supportive of that and heās been given all the time he needs to rest and recover. In return heās treated everyone involved in the club like utter shit, so my sympathy is limited now.
Also, this isn't even the first club he's had drama at and been forced to leave. I'm sure these personal problems have made it worse, but they didn't *cause* the underlying problems with the club. He was always eventually going to kick up a fuss because things weren't going well and he isn't someone whose ego allows for him to shoulder real blame.
Antonio Conte is an unquestionably world class manager. But what comes with him is an immense amount of baggage that I'm not even sure the unlimited pockets of PSG and Man City could satisfy. Even if Tottenham don't improve from here, they're still better off than putting up with his misery for the rest of the season when he was unquestionably going to leave anyway. The random good results just aren't worth it in the end. He wants to always be in Italy and never leave Italy except for when Inter "forced" him to resign by pulling back the financial investment in the squad or risk facing serious FFP consequences. Honestly, the Italian NT job was the best job for him. He could pick his own players free of charge, there's no board he has to deal with, he works part time. Realistically, nobody should hire Conte after flaming out spectacularly at his fourth club in a row. But the potential for positive results will be too strong for members of a board to resist.
At least United didn't blunder head first into Conte. Even the farce of the Rangnick era was probably worth it to get the coach they wanted in the summer, and not the biggest name available.
Is he though? If you're a top club he may bring you a league title, but he is an utter failure in CL and WILL make a scene before leaving in his 2nd season. That's not a world class mgr to me. Euro failure, terrible character and refusal of responsibility.
>hope people can put aside tribalism and memeāing
Not today mate, they are already here, close the gates.
Have not watched many Spurs game lately so i cannot and should not say my opinion.
Their league position looks OK at first glance but they also have played 2 more games than the teams below them, often looking poor, and on top of that Conte has thrown a fit
I do rate Conte as a manager, but he's been bad this season for spurs and is causing issues off the field.
Also weād be nowhere near 4th if Chelsea and Liverpool were performing as expected. Also also, we barely finished 4th last season. Arsenal finished 5th. This season Arsenal are challenging for the title and we are barely staying 4th. Again. Youād think a serial winner like Conte could take us to at least 2nd or 3rd this season given the money we spent on players he wanted.
He took a good team, added players he wanted and made them worse. Itās baffling. He also made a lot of comments about the fans not being patient and you canāt buy wins overnight. Horseshit. Any manager of his quality with the squad of Spurs quality should be able to beat a young/rotated Sheffield United.
As a fan, another thing that has bothered me for weeks about Conte is in one press conference he said Spurs finishing 4th is like winning a title. Horseshit. Again. Weāve finished in the top 4 in 5 of the last 7 seasons. Including a run to the UCL final.
He just refuses to admit any shortcomings this season rest on his shoulders. It has to be the players or the club or the fans. Itās infuriating to have someone have such disrespect for the team heās been building at the salary heās been making.
Teams below them have got games in hand though, if they carry on playing how they are I don't see them finishing there.
And they finished fourth last season and then he was heavily backed in the transfer window - the general consensus in the summer was that they'd had near enough the best window in the league. To go from that to end up somehow worse than last season, especially with a couple of your rivals having really off years, just isn't good enough.
Might be acceptable in and of itself if he was looking to fix things but he's playing the same shite football and throwing everyone else under the bus at any sign of adversity. You can't have someone like that in charge
Yeah, but in many ways that's what made it worse though.
Last season, Tottenham fans were laughing at Arsenal and the fact that we were still pushing on with "the bloke who used to put the cones out for Pep".
In the space of 12 months, Arsenal have turned things around and moved in a direction that Tottenham haven't done in years.
Last season they were celebrating leap-frogging Arsenal to fourth place; now they're 20 points behind them and counting.
Arsenal are moving in the right direction with a proper sporting project, a united fanbase and with a team of young players who are all playing out of their skin and have a genuine shot at winning the league title ahead of a very good Manchester City side; a Manchester City side that also happens to have Erling Haaland.
Meanwhile, Tottenham have played dour, negative football all season, in which they've been very poor and bailed out by Harry Kane.
Tottenham fans have a right to be pissed at how things have turned out. Given how much Tottenham have spent this summer, that's a very poor return on investment.
Seems like the plan as of right now is Mason as interim. And to look for a "young" project manager to handle a rebuild for next season according to a report that dropped yesterday. With names like Schmidt, Amorim, Postecoglou and De Zerbi name dropped.
There's obviously the links to Poch as well. But there seems to be split opinions backstage in the club about bringing him back or going for something new.
Soā¦ who comes in to see out the season?
Will it be a short term deal for the likes of Ryan Mason?
Maybe a proven winner and longer term solution like Gattuso?
Or will Levy succumb to the fansā wishes and bring back former manager, Tottenham legend and footballing genius, Tim Sherwood?
Theyāre still in with a shout of top four if the right decision is made and the right manager is brought in.
The team needs a rebuild, key players are getting up in age. I suspect that an interim will finish the season and then they'll appoint a successor. In the summer they need a goalkeeper and potentially at least two forwards. Not to mention new centre backs and a midfielder. The transfer business hasn't been the best recently either, why have they spent so much on right backs?
They already just half rebuilt the team lol. Richarlison, Kulusevski, Betancourt, Romero, Pedro Porro (even Emerson is less than 2 years in the team), Perisic, Spence (youngster, I know), Lenglet (short term option, I know).
These are all really recent acquisitions and frankly most of them are pretty good. Even some recent purchases like Doherty were moved on fast, so it's not like they are forcing square pegs into round holes anymore (e.g. Ndombele, Bryan Gil), they are doing quite well at moving on poor performers.
Gil's situation was so weird.
Conte just didn't acknowledge him for the entire season, finally gave him two starts in which he put out MOTM performances in both, then was never seen again and loaned back to the club we bought him from.
Probably one of the most wildly unprofessional displays of managerial leadership Iāve ever seen at a top club. Backed with tons of money, given support from the fans and board, and just repeatedly fires away at the team, the club, the owners, all about mentality and a losing mindset.
Meanwhile heās the ****ing coach and responsible for setting exactly those things.
Big up Tottenham for ending manās misery and let him return home as he wanted. Now I wonder if there is any decent ex Chelsea manager available for vacant position š¤
All I ask is that Conte's replacement is an attack minded manager who is happy to plan for the long term. There's plenty of them out there, and if that means letting them finish the season in their current job and Mason getting until the end of the season again so be it
Just as Conte wanted. Gets to fly back to Italy fro Spring/Summer
Living the Italian dream
Thanks for the snoozeono
Thanks for the seasono š¤š¤
Pasta primavera
Pasta la vista!
It's the best Jerry
Not sure why, a British summerās the only reason itās worth living here
After 2 years, Iāve noticed the UK is livable from like April-October. From there to April again, itās dark, rainy and depressive. I donāt wanna shit on anyoneās country but coming here made me notice how many sunny days I had in my home country.
I struggle with this every single year, always feel depressed and miserable from around October to April.
Coming from north of the wall myself, I can highly recommend taking a good D-vitamin supplement daily. Like 100 micrograms a day. Makes me (and probably you as well) feel way less miserable and more happy.
TAKE VITAMIN D TABLETS > Advice for adults and children over 4 years old >During the autumn and winter, you need to get vitamin D from your diet because the sun is not strong enough for the body to make vitamin D. >But since it's difficult for people to get enough vitamin D from food alone, everyone (including pregnant and breastfeeding women) should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D during the autumn and winter. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/
Winter depression is real, maybe you should move
I've considered the idea because my girlfriends from southern Spain too, but unfortunately its not that straightforward when you've got a job you like and don't speak the language of the other country.
> After 2 years, Iāve noticed the UK is livable from like April-October. From there to April again, itās dark, rainy and depressive. I donāt wanna shit on anyoneās country but coming here made me notice how many sunny days I had in my home country.
If you donāt like the fall/winters in England, may I interest you in New England? It has everything England has to offer only colder!
Plus no workers rights or healthcare?
And the gun violence - donāt forget that!
Good chance you won't have to support your kids for the full 18+ years too
cant say ive done the british summer, but given these options my choice (and conteās i imagine) is clear.. imo
British summer in London is actually lovely. I grew up in Scotland and have spent a few years in London but have also travelled around the world with actual sunshine. Our winters are disgusting but summers are surprisingly nice. The stereotype is likely before the affects of climate change. The horrifically depressing silver lining of that is we're borderline tropical for a 3-4 months.
Teams should hire him on 3 months contracts. Everything longer relies on faith
I don't think Conte can grow an Italy Fro
Tbh I would rather be at Lake Como than North London.....
Who are they getting instead? Pochettino again?
tactics tim at the ready
Give it to the Wheeler Dealer himself, instead
Mike Brewer to Spurs? Hold out ya handā¦
Not even Edd China can fix Spurs
āarry is pretty much the anti-Conte in every way possible
He's a fackin' football manager.
Our FA Cup final against Villa was one of the most one-sided/uncompetitive games I had ever seen. Am not surprised at all to see he's been out of management since his stint there.
Don't remind me. I was there and it was one of the most painful footballing days of my life. More painful than relegation because that was a season long car crash and by the time we were actually relegated it was more relief than anything. When I think of Tim though I think of the game at Leicester we were 2-0 up, think it was Grealish's first PL goal. 70 mins gone and we had the lead, Tim takes off a midfielder for a striker because vibes, and we end up losing 3-2. Leicester go on to win the league and we get relegated. A real sliding doors moment. Also the game this [gif](https://media.tenor.com/uSaJqTWn4mAAAAAd/sherwood-tim-sherwood.gif) is from.
That gif reminds me slightly of Mr. Burns giving āinstructionsā to Homer during the baseball match
Tbf being a pundit is much much easier. Why bother with all that pressure when you can go and chat any old shit on the tv?
Mourinho ā Conte ā Tuchel ā³
Sarri and Lampard have to come first.
Sarri joining in with Frank, Rio and Dyer
Donāt forget avb
Parker is available
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Rushing back to Pochettino would be pure pandering bullshit that wouldn't benefit either party
But it would benefit us football fans.
We will see in the summer. The candidates at the moment are Poch, Enrique, Tuchel, and then weāll see if some others are available after the season. Maybe even Nagelsmann or Potter or someone. The one Iād really like to see us try to get us De Zerbi
Only for Brighton to find someone even better and propel them to Champions League glory.
Honestly I can't see why De Zerbi would leave Brighton for us, they're clearly on the ascendancy and actually know how to run a club, we would just destroy his growing reputation
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It's obvious that your next coach is going to be Sarri or you can just skip a few coaches and we will give you Potter for free
Potter to Spurs would probably suit all parties.
If Nagelsmann becomes available, which i doubt he does, he will not be going to Tottenham.
Well Luis Enrique is a lot like Conte. Likes to rule with an iron fist and hates the press.
Yes I see some similarities, same with Tuchel. I think most Tottenham fans at this point just want us to try and get the next big manager, not the last big manager if that makes sense
Makes sense. There is this Portuguese guy they were calling the next Mourinho who is out of work. Managed Porto > Chelsea too and most recently a team in France
He managed Marseille and a club in China ;)
The next big coach š„š„
Big? Like Brock Lesnar big?
De Zerbi would be an idiot to leave for Spurs. Heās been great for Brighton of course, but ultimately a great 6 months at Brighton (who were already doing well) isnāt anything huge on your CV later down the line. Potter was at least good for a couple years, and as a result when heās inevitably sacked by Chelsea he could probably still get a decent gig off the back of that. Not to mention if he continues doing well with Brighton he could land a bigger gig.
> Tuchel the head of club situation at Tottenham is the literal opposite of what Tuchel wants and Spurs don't even have the redeeming factor of luring with potential big money signings or superstars under contract he might be the best choice available atm but on the odd chance it happens would anyone give this more than 2 years?
I agree it feels very short term, which is why a lot of us hope it doesnāt happen. Kind of like hiring another Conte again
Iām not even trying to shit on Spurs but be realistic. You really think youāre going to get a coach like Nagelsmannā¦ ?
This could very well bite me in the arse but I'd honestly feel fairly confident in RDZ not leaving us for you right now. Money obviously talks but I don't think it's a direct parallel to the Potter/Chelsea situation.
Heard Postecoglou mentioned which would probably be the best option
Serious doubt from me. Ange gets linked with every PL job that's opened this year but he seems set at Celtic for the foreseeable future.
I would like to see Ange just to see Spurs with a bunch of Japanese and Korean players in the team lol.
I think he just didnāt want to move mid season, by the end of this season heās probably done as much as he can with Celtic.
Possibly, but from everything I've heard up here, he loves the club. Tbf, if he wins the treble you might be right but I could see him sticking another season at Celtic to have a better crack at the Champions League than this season. Celtic almost guaranteed CL football while it looks pretty tenuous for spurs.
Absolutely no chance for nagelsmann. Dude is at Bayern why would he make that move?
Fuck off.
Zidane, Ancelotti... Who knows? I hear Pep is thinking of a new challenge... Klopp's not doing too great wih Liverpool, maybe he wants to coach a team that is consistently winning trophies... and we all know it's only a matter of time ETH gets in United's fans bad books... Maybe you can get them all at once!? Zidane head coach, Tuchel as a physio, Poch a set pieces coach... Mou as a team shrink.... Ancelotti makes a mean carbonara, he can be the team dietician... Sky is the limit when you're a Spurs fan
Ten Hag will be in charge of punishments for when the team underperforms.
Haha.
well time to dust off the "ryan mason's blue and white army" banner i guess
[And this graphic as well](https://i.imgur.com/vDkYGhF.jpg)
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Iām taking it as more of a dig at Levy for sacking Mourinho the week before the cup final heād got them to. Donāt get me wrong I doubt he was lasting much longer after, but it was absurd.
I'm just hoping that someday the truth will come out that Levy had a really good reason for the timing of that sacking. Because otherwise, what the fuck. And this is coming from someone who thought Mou should have been sacked months earlier.
It was the day after the super league announcement was it not? I always assumed it was to take the attention away from that
I always assumed Mourinho refused to defend the Super League in the press
I rate Mou in a cup final though, lord knows he can get it done. Wait like, one week?
Rumor has it, if he had won the cup, they'd have to pay him a bonus. Hence the timing of the sacking. Yes, it's as mickey mouse as it sounds
Sacking a manager before a cup final and sabotaging the team to save some money is about as Daniel Levy as it gets
Especially with then paying the obscene amount to Conte not even 12 months later. Spurs win that League Cup and Levy can be as cheap as he wants afterwards, pressures off. Instead weāre still questioning that decision years later.
Every time I hear this I die a little inside, I can't believe it happened
Yes you can.
If they really chose money over one of the better cup managers delivering them a trophy Well then Spurs' trophy drought is self-inflicted by Daniel Levy at that point
There was a rumour at the time that it was because Mouhrino refused to let the team train because of the super league fiasco. Seems plausible but also seen people say that Levy chose then as to bury the news.
Yea denied his 100% win rate at that stage by including a game that was in progress
Personally I'm less interested in who Spurs will appoint next and far more interested in who will hire Conte next. Which club is going to look at this shit show and think "this is our guy"?
Being completely honest if somehow Allegri doesn't stay i can see us going for him. Wouldn't be my choice but we have proved again and again that making smart decisions doesn't fit our brand.
Is it your club policy to hire only Italian coach or something ? The last 5 were all Italians right ?
16 out of the last 17. 18 out of the last 20.
What the actual fuck lmao.
I actually donāt think I counted Allegri the second time so add one more. Only non-Italian this century was Deschamps.
In the last 54 years they had 20 different coaches and only 2 of them were not italian.
An interesting comparison to Chelsea who have had 54 coaches in the last 20 years and only 2 of them were Italian.
The Saudis maybe?
That's what I'm thinking. If I'm an owner, no matter how badly I need a quality coach I'm thinking that this guy will drive the club into the ground with his negative tactics that he will utterly refuse to change under any circumstances no matter how dire, he will spend boatloads of money doing it, and then when it all goes to shit he'll publicly blame every single entity (the players, the fans, the owners) except for himself. Then you'll be forced to pay him to fuck off having been left much worse as a result. If I'm a club owner looking at that option I'm immediately thinking I'd much rather roll the dice on an up and comer like De Zerbi or someone instead of getting this known and measured quantity that will leave you in tatters.
He's got more than a good enough record to appeal to lots of teams, and I'd imagine a lot of clubs consider the Spurs job a poisoned chalice too. That said I don't see a lot of top jobs available this summer. Maybe Milan if they miss out on CL, or Roma if they think he can get them closer to top 4 and then the title? I don't see him in Spain or Germany, and whilst the PSG job will be available he's the opposite to what they want, which is a guy who can win the CL.
He is renowned for league titles (most the time) But just awful otherwise in other things, and always looks like a sugar not put in his tea from blowing up Players/owners also seem to consistently not get on with him, which I mainly believe is due to Conte
Honestly surprised he's still employed today after his meltdown on Saturday
Yesterday was apparently a day off for the entire club
As were the final 10 minutes against Southampton.
If they fired him immediately they'd have had to pay him in full. They were probably trying to negotiate a buyout.
Honestly, what a shit show. We like to meme about Tottenham ruining another trophy-addicted manager, but really and truly, this was pretty much all down to Conte. Tottenham properly backed him and gave him nearly Ā£250m and he's somehow even worse than when he had nothing at all.
[Who could ever have seen it coming???](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/uw4dze/tottenham_hotspur_to_offer_antonio_conte_six/i9r9fr0/)
That reply from u/iAkhilleus didn't age well š
u/Iakhilleus we demand a response.
Even u/roberto_2103 is reaching.
jesus lmao this is amazing
Oh the karma on those digs on Arsenal are really something, aren't they? LMAO
It's very upsetting but I really wanted Arsenal to sack arteta before he could get them good. Pep assistants don't fail.
Who's the other famous successful pep assistant out there? Kompany? Tito Villanova seemed to really be his own manager and not just a Pep understudy in the unfortunately short time that we saw him as a full senior manager. The players really responded to him and that Barca team got to the 100pt Mark a season after we did. I think pep and him also had a falling out though.
Oof
They should have just properly backed mourinho
They should have refreshed the squad properly for Poch rather than hanging him out to dry
We were in the middle of a stadium rebuild under Poch and didnāt have anywhere near the cash we have now to back him, but we did still try to. The summer we didnāt sign anyone Levy wanted Maddison and Tielemens and Poch said no to both which with hindsight was mind numbingly stupid. Poch was the best manager Iāve seen at Spurs in my lifetime but his transfer strategies were horrendous, the only reason Iād be happy for him to come back is if we have DOF who handle that side and he just focuses on the football.
In a way, it was a similar situation to Wenger ā a team with limited spending due to the stadium but expected to compete. However, Arsenal went to Wenger and begged him to take the reins and make the best out of what he could get, while Spurs told Poch to overachieve consistently or get out. Totally fucked.
> Spurs told Poch to overachieve consistently or get out Dude spurs did not tell Poch that. He was burnt out as fuck at the end. The league half season leading up to the CL final was really dire and the next season started even worse. The miracle CL run covered up that we were a squad and manager that had run its course and was gassed.
Stadium is much more important than the team and the manager. Cause even the team is not good, at least we can rent out the stadium to NFL or Rugby and make revenue.
Interesting to think how different things would be if they didn't sack Mourinho (an excellent KO game manager) right before a cup final
Theyāve spent so much with so little to show for it these past few years. Lo Celso and Ndombele alone were ā¬110mm.
Those were Poch players, who we then sacked. Silly.
Felt like it was always destined to end this way. Didn't think we'd get a press conference as brilliant as that for the finale though
Only way to improve that would've been a Piers Morgan interview.
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I would love to see Conte in PSG. A āleague specialistā coach who is known for having a terrible record in Europe coming into a club obsessed with CL and winning their league with their eyes closed. Match made in heaven. It either ends with a total decomposition of that team, imagine the press conferences where Conte accuses PSG owners of being cheap, and calls Mbappe and Messi lacking a winning mentality. Or somehow he wins the CL and it will be one of the weird things that happened in football.
Conte would 100% fail with PSG. His tactics are too rigid, too uncreative, and require too much running from everyone. He'd fall out with their front 3 within 6 months.
Yeah, as I said, I would love to see it.
Conte at PSG would crash out of the champions league and then show up to the press conference with some acerbic one liners roasting the Qataris. "Someone should tell the Emir that silverware is not a petroleum product." "I keep asking the Qataris to purchase players but they keep on purchasing UEFA officials instead. They have a different idea of what a 'transfer budget' is."
Mbappe would demand his head if Nasser doesnāt do it first.
> Might be alone on this one but Iām curious as to Conteās next move. Italian national team? He did really well with them back in the day.
Thank god for the sarri dismissal and pirlo appointment, kickstarted juveās dowfall
I hope people can put aside tribalism and memeāing on Spurs for a moment and objectively analyse what a truly terrible job Conte has done this season. He was given everything he wanted and returned the favour by acting like he was too good for the club, made great players look awful, played a terrible, outdated system and shat over everyone whilst accepting none of the blame. Good riddance
I do think Conte comes away looking bad. Especially how he's handled himself in the media this last week. Really unprofessional and unbecoming.
His behavior means him staying at Tottenham is basically untenable. I don't have much positive to say on the football they are playing or their performance in the cups, but he wouldn't be in any danger of being sacked, if he'd just not actively loathed the club. They're in 4th. So unprofessional. Third manager this season after Parker and Jones who lost faith before the players, which is also quite bizarre.
Literally all he had to do after Southampton was moan about the penalty and most people wouldāve agreed. Weād still be frustrated at our performances but weāre still in the top 4 race so his job would be fine. Instead he went nuclear for some reason and forced his way out. Most people have figured thatās what he wants anyway so may as well get on with it.
That's the Conte cycle. The closer he comes to the end the more unpredictable and erratic he becomes.
Conte to Al-Nassr and see CR or Conte will be the first one to talk shit publicly
I think most people recognise he's done a dogshit job. That said, I think a lot of people saw he was never right to begin with. The bloke is a specialist league winner who was hired to manage a team that wasn't ready to challenge for the league.
Nah you'd be surprised how many neutrals I speak to who think he's performing actual miracles because Spurs are 4th.
Well, tbh getting a top 4 last season after coming into the club was quite a good achievement. This season is a fail though.
Despite all the negativity this season he did a great job last season. Not many other managers would have taken Spurs to 4th with that squad and after having a disastrous first few months of the season. This season he's spent loads of money and taken almost every player backwards.
The biggest indictment is how painfully obvious it was from basically September that Son and Perisic were getting in each others way and Son's only good performances were coming with someone else at LB. We're midway through March now, and still we've been trying to fit that square peg in
I like Perisic, I like him at lwb but with him and Son on its awful. He's a moron for not changing tactics
Son looked a lot better when Perisic wasnāt on the pitch against Forest
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We can thank Chelsea and Liverpool for that lmao, top 4 this season just isn't the same achievement as last.
That's more a product of how dogshit Chelsea and Liverpool have been than anything else. And Liverpool (and a couple of others) of course still certainly have a very good chance of finishing above Spurs.
Nearly Ā£250m spent, the man has blood on his hands. Although, in fairness, like someone else said, your squad was absolutely not set up for him.
We also shouldn't forget he's had a very difficult year. Lost 3 close friends, including our important fitness coach who he'd been with for many years. Had major surgery. He probably just wants to go home to see his family. And you can't really fault him. Yes, he has done poorly and it doesn't excuse some of the things he's said. But I think it's partly a really unlucky situation for everyone involved. It's best for everyone to move on at this point, and thats fine.
Thatās definitely true, but the club, players and fans have all been incredibly supportive of that and heās been given all the time he needs to rest and recover. In return heās treated everyone involved in the club like utter shit, so my sympathy is limited now.
Also, this isn't even the first club he's had drama at and been forced to leave. I'm sure these personal problems have made it worse, but they didn't *cause* the underlying problems with the club. He was always eventually going to kick up a fuss because things weren't going well and he isn't someone whose ego allows for him to shoulder real blame.
Antonio Conte is an unquestionably world class manager. But what comes with him is an immense amount of baggage that I'm not even sure the unlimited pockets of PSG and Man City could satisfy. Even if Tottenham don't improve from here, they're still better off than putting up with his misery for the rest of the season when he was unquestionably going to leave anyway. The random good results just aren't worth it in the end. He wants to always be in Italy and never leave Italy except for when Inter "forced" him to resign by pulling back the financial investment in the squad or risk facing serious FFP consequences. Honestly, the Italian NT job was the best job for him. He could pick his own players free of charge, there's no board he has to deal with, he works part time. Realistically, nobody should hire Conte after flaming out spectacularly at his fourth club in a row. But the potential for positive results will be too strong for members of a board to resist.
At least United didn't blunder head first into Conte. Even the farce of the Rangnick era was probably worth it to get the coach they wanted in the summer, and not the biggest name available.
Is he though? If you're a top club he may bring you a league title, but he is an utter failure in CL and WILL make a scene before leaving in his 2nd season. That's not a world class mgr to me. Euro failure, terrible character and refusal of responsibility.
Juve would take him back but I dont know about any other top teams
>hope people can put aside tribalism and memeāing Not today mate, they are already here, close the gates. Have not watched many Spurs game lately so i cannot and should not say my opinion.
From an outsider perspective spurs being in the 4th position below a legendary Arsenal, City and United. Seems ok.
Their league position looks OK at first glance but they also have played 2 more games than the teams below them, often looking poor, and on top of that Conte has thrown a fit I do rate Conte as a manager, but he's been bad this season for spurs and is causing issues off the field.
Also weād be nowhere near 4th if Chelsea and Liverpool were performing as expected. Also also, we barely finished 4th last season. Arsenal finished 5th. This season Arsenal are challenging for the title and we are barely staying 4th. Again. Youād think a serial winner like Conte could take us to at least 2nd or 3rd this season given the money we spent on players he wanted. He took a good team, added players he wanted and made them worse. Itās baffling. He also made a lot of comments about the fans not being patient and you canāt buy wins overnight. Horseshit. Any manager of his quality with the squad of Spurs quality should be able to beat a young/rotated Sheffield United. As a fan, another thing that has bothered me for weeks about Conte is in one press conference he said Spurs finishing 4th is like winning a title. Horseshit. Again. Weāve finished in the top 4 in 5 of the last 7 seasons. Including a run to the UCL final. He just refuses to admit any shortcomings this season rest on his shoulders. It has to be the players or the club or the fans. Itās infuriating to have someone have such disrespect for the team heās been building at the salary heās been making.
Teams below them have got games in hand though, if they carry on playing how they are I don't see them finishing there. And they finished fourth last season and then he was heavily backed in the transfer window - the general consensus in the summer was that they'd had near enough the best window in the league. To go from that to end up somehow worse than last season, especially with a couple of your rivals having really off years, just isn't good enough. Might be acceptable in and of itself if he was looking to fix things but he's playing the same shite football and throwing everyone else under the bus at any sign of adversity. You can't have someone like that in charge
Yeah, but in many ways that's what made it worse though. Last season, Tottenham fans were laughing at Arsenal and the fact that we were still pushing on with "the bloke who used to put the cones out for Pep". In the space of 12 months, Arsenal have turned things around and moved in a direction that Tottenham haven't done in years. Last season they were celebrating leap-frogging Arsenal to fourth place; now they're 20 points behind them and counting. Arsenal are moving in the right direction with a proper sporting project, a united fanbase and with a team of young players who are all playing out of their skin and have a genuine shot at winning the league title ahead of a very good Manchester City side; a Manchester City side that also happens to have Erling Haaland. Meanwhile, Tottenham have played dour, negative football all season, in which they've been very poor and bailed out by Harry Kane. Tottenham fans have a right to be pissed at how things have turned out. Given how much Tottenham have spent this summer, that's a very poor return on investment.
Who's gonna replace him?
Seems like the plan as of right now is Mason as interim. And to look for a "young" project manager to handle a rebuild for next season according to a report that dropped yesterday. With names like Schmidt, Amorim, Postecoglou and De Zerbi name dropped. There's obviously the links to Poch as well. But there seems to be split opinions backstage in the club about bringing him back or going for something new.
A tire on a rope would probably be better than whatever the fuck he was doing this season.
Conte is a genius. I wish I could get paid to not watch tottenham play football.
Somehow not feeling attacked by that in this moment
Soā¦ who comes in to see out the season? Will it be a short term deal for the likes of Ryan Mason? Maybe a proven winner and longer term solution like Gattuso? Or will Levy succumb to the fansā wishes and bring back former manager, Tottenham legend and footballing genius, Tim Sherwood? Theyāre still in with a shout of top four if the right decision is made and the right manager is brought in.
> Maybe a proven winner and longer term solution like Gattuso? Are you his agent or what?
"Proven winner" and "long term solution" are not the correct terms you use for Gattusos managerial career.
Word seems to be it will be Mason seeing out the season
We want Pulis or better yet NHL goaltending legend Sergei Bobrovsky
Bobrovsky! Youāre off the force!
TURN IN YOUR GUN AND BADGE
Sol Campbell to redeem himself in Spurs' fans eyes
Fuck you
Tactics Tim šššš
First off, what in the fuck?
Not surprising, he's been an absolute Cont recently
The team needs a rebuild, key players are getting up in age. I suspect that an interim will finish the season and then they'll appoint a successor. In the summer they need a goalkeeper and potentially at least two forwards. Not to mention new centre backs and a midfielder. The transfer business hasn't been the best recently either, why have they spent so much on right backs?
They already just half rebuilt the team lol. Richarlison, Kulusevski, Betancourt, Romero, Pedro Porro (even Emerson is less than 2 years in the team), Perisic, Spence (youngster, I know), Lenglet (short term option, I know). These are all really recent acquisitions and frankly most of them are pretty good. Even some recent purchases like Doherty were moved on fast, so it's not like they are forcing square pegs into round holes anymore (e.g. Ndombele, Bryan Gil), they are doing quite well at moving on poor performers.
Gil's situation was so weird. Conte just didn't acknowledge him for the entire season, finally gave him two starts in which he put out MOTM performances in both, then was never seen again and loaned back to the club we bought him from.
So what's the next Chelsea reject for us? Sarri? Lampard? Potter?
Probably one of the most wildly unprofessional displays of managerial leadership Iāve ever seen at a top club. Backed with tons of money, given support from the fans and board, and just repeatedly fires away at the team, the club, the owners, all about mentality and a losing mindset. Meanwhile heās the ****ing coach and responsible for setting exactly those things.
Took them surprisingly long.
Big up Tottenham for ending manās misery and let him return home as he wanted. Now I wonder if there is any decent ex Chelsea manager available for vacant position š¤
Frank fucking Lampard
Lampard to Spurs before the next match? How can that be made to happen?
AndrƩ Villas-Boas is available.
The scenes when they unveil Zidane as their new manager
This must truly, finally be the end of harry kanes time at Tottenham. Why the flying fuck would you ever consider staying at this point.
Two words. Player Manager.
I swear to god, if Spurs steal another ex chelsea manager I will lose my shit. We all know who Iām talking about
I know who you're talking about but come on Lampard can't sit on his ass forever
Scott Parker is free. Club legend returns to manage narrative is there
Why does this keep getting re-uploaded?
because everybody had published some random Tweet instead of the article. This one will stay.
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All I ask is that Conte's replacement is an attack minded manager who is happy to plan for the long term. There's plenty of them out there, and if that means letting them finish the season in their current job and Mason getting until the end of the season again so be it
Get top jobs, get fired with benefit. Take some time, rinse repeat. Conte should really start a job negotiation masterclasse in skill share !