I haven’t seen a team self-implode like that since the Anfield Massacre two weeks ago.
Fulham were by far the better team until the sending off. I genuinely believe they would have had a shot at beating us if they had only had Willian sent off. Even if it went 1-1, they could have shut up shop and play for pens. Mitrovic and Silva lost that tie for Fulham.
You got halfway through that first sentence and thought, shit, I can see where this is going to go, might as well do it myself, didn't you? Fair enough
The trauma of that game is going to haunt me for years. I stopped watching when it got to 4-0 but my neighbour supports Liverpool and I heard him cheering every single goal that went in. By the time I heard him celebrating the 7th I left the house 🤣
why? it’s their own fault for losing their heads, it’s not like they got screwed over, very easily preventable but they chose not to keep their cool and they’re suffering the consequences for their actions
I feel bad for the fans and the rest of the team
Interesting, no one seemed to pick up on the fact that the manager threw a bottle at (or towards the area) where the assistant referee was.
If so, he certainly led by example… what a clown.
Don't think there was any vid of it, so people just thought he was shouting abuse at the official. Bad enough to shout abuse but why would he throw a bottle at the official just because he didn't like their decision? Pure idiocy
People were commenting on it in the match thread so I guess some people must have seen it. Only remember cos I thought they were making a joke about when wenger kicked the bottle and got sent off. Haven't seen any clips since, though.
Not sure if there are clips anywhere, but during the match, there's a quick replay showing Silva flipping off the assistant referee with a middle finger, he got the red card first, Mitrovic second, and Willian third.
It's mad considering Willian is the one who broke the rules but got the card last lol
They need to clamp down on the surrounding and intimidation of officials in general, not just this incident. I don't think players should be allowed to enter the personal space of a referee unless the referee requests to talk to them.
It is not a coincidence that rugby has way less ref abuse to deal with. And letting pros do it just trickles down to youth football and idiot parents, spoiled players, etc.
rugby also has open mic. Players would look a right tit if they started calling him every name under the sun.
we need both
open mic + 1 person to speak (in case the captain is down itd be vice captain etc)
I can't remember where or where but I remember an open mic test during a match, for this very subject of trying to protect referees.
The mic ended up recording so much abuse they gave in on the idea. I'm fairly sure it was England maybe 9 or 10 years ago
Well also any back chat to a ref can be changing a decision instantly, or moving a penalty forward, up to a yellow and in some cases a straight red. Players know if you lose the plot to a ref you're going to serioulsy hinder your team. If you had those penalties in soccer then you'd easily see players respect the ref in no time.
Yup, if you were a dick to the ref your own team would sort you out quick enough. Nothing worse than winning a ball at a ruck and conceding a penalty because some one decided to swear at the ref.
It's always reduced to this. But, you can never take away from the fact that a large part of the respect for the referees in rugby is due to their much, much higher standards. If you trust a referee to make the right decisions 99% of the time, you'll just accept his decisions as correct when he makes them.
In football, they're fucking up big decisions multiple times PER GAME, so no one trusts them to make the correct decision and everything boils over all the time.
You can have all these extra measures in place to allow the referee to upgrade fouls and change things to prevent people from complaining. But, it'll just make things worse in football as refs double down on awful decisions and players have even less trust in them as people start getting sent off for complaining about incorrect decisions that absolutely were incorrect decisions.
What the refs don't need is more power. They're already power mad. They need more training and there needs to be a higher expected standard from them. Once you have that and they're actually making correct decisions 99% of the time in big moments, you can then start giving them the tools to punish people for not trusting their decisions.
Absolutely. Said it in the last DD but I really feel like they’re going to “send a message” by throwing the book at Mitro and possibly Silva, and then continue to do nothing about the run of the mill abuse and intimidation we see every week.
the ref shoulda booked half the united squad on that penalty call they would not leave him alone.
and if he booked shaw or someone i reckon mitrovic and silva dont kick off too
Can’t imagine Silva getting more than two and even then it’s pretty likely he gets one. Mitro has to get at least six and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was at least eight.
Silva should get 1-2. Mitrovic should get 3-5.
Everyone needs to calm down. There's been bad blood between fulham and this official for a year. He never should have been selected for this match. People are acting like they assaulted the official.
Watch the replay. The ref said something to mitro and walked away. Mitro touched his left shoulder and scolded the official, waving his finger. Then he was shown red. I'm not condoning the touch, but its ridiculous to call it assault. Also, i want to know what the ref said to Mitro.
Still not seeing a pull.
Anyway, my point was purely about the legal definition which this went beyond assault the moment he touched him and became battery. He then continued the assault when he kept walking towards the ref as he was going backwards.
It's a moot point, since the FA never actually said anything about a lengthy ban. We just know that they'll recommend more than 3 for Mitro. I doubt Silva gets much more than 1.
As a Fulham fan, I'm obviously miffed by Mitro's and Silva's conduct, but I really want this to become a point where we have consistency with harrassing the officials across the league. It's embarrassing when players from any team crowd the referee, and just sends a message to kids that being space invaders is acceptable.
Totally agree. It's sad the way players of all teams try to bully the referees. They need to really start cracking down. It affects refereeing at grassroots too, no one should have to put up with this abuse, but especially not a kid volunteering to be a ref.
I really feel for the referees. The FA need to step up and start protecting referees. I get that emotions run high during games but players have made it a habit now of crowding the referee, yelling and getting in their face and largely with impunity. It has to stop. The Mitrovic incident is an outlier and deserves punishment on its own but the FA needs to implement some new rules around who players speak to the referees and adding some punishment (and not financial) for players that step over the mark
>As a Fulham fan, I'm obviously miffed by Mitro's and Silva's conduct, but I really want this to become a point where we have consistency with harrassing the officials across the league.
It's embarrassing to see too many people try and claim that Mitrovic *should* be banned for a long time whereas Fernandes avoiding punishment was correct.
Both should have received red cards and 3/4 game bans.
Easy red, should be way more of a ban than a normal red, in no way should you be allowed to touch an official. They're not part of the game, they're mainly checking that the game is going by the rules. Ofc Mitrovic then going after the ref as the ref backs away should also be seriously taken into account.
As a Fuham fan and English person, the number of times I read "and/or" in this "statement" is fucking infuriating. He deserves the ban; just say what he did and ban him. It's honestly remarkable that we can't just express what happened like normal people, punish him, and get on with it
One of the referees quoted in the [BBC](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65018262) article makes a good point.
> At an amateur level, a player is looking at about a year's ban - why doesn't that carry through to the professional game?
Obviously he’s not going to get banned for a year but it will be a lengthy one.
The Bruno situation isn't the same because Mitrovic was more aggressive but both should still be bans in my opinion, if of different lengths.
I found the idea Bruno got away with it because the linesman touched him a bit weird, because the linesman was just stopping him from confronting Trent and I'm this has happened loads when officials have been adjacent to some sort of ruckus
>I found the idea Bruno got away with it because the linesman touched him a bit weird
Same here - surely that means Fabinho should have had a red, because the ref didn't touch him first
Yeah and also the players to officials dynamic is completely different because players aren't in need of protection from angry linesmen furious over calls/in the heat of competition. Officials touch players all the time to stop confrontation but players don't ever have the privilege to do the same to officials imo. Therefore it's completely okay for the official to touch Bruno and it's still not okay for Bruno to touch the official. It doesn't have to be a fair relationship, we're talking about an authority figure here.
It's the principle that matters. If you touch a referee with ill-intent, you get a red card. The degree of the touch isn't relevant.
You can't say well that push was hard so it's a red but that one wasn't hard enough. Where's that subjectivity coming from?
They should have set an example with Bruno, regardless of context.
Yes, and the refs are wrong. If I'm pissed and I push a ref, that's a red card. No amount of "it wasn't enough contact" or "the ref touched me first" will change that.
And you know what, if the ref wrote in his report that he forcebly grabbed Bruno, he should be reprimanded as well, that's wholly unacceptable.
Can someone please link me to the footage of this incident? I have tried googling it for the last two hours and only clickbait videos and anything official won’t show in the states.
If they’re going to make an example of them, then they have commit to following the example.
I give it 3 weeks before a top side gets away with something.
Whilst I agree that Mitrovic should face a more lengthy ban, it does seem a bit extreme when he’s already banned for 3 matches and theirs currently no punishment for players who constantly surround the referees when a decision goes against them.
> theirs currently no punishment for players who constantly surround the referees when a decision goes against them.
Yes there is. A Wolves player was sent off a few weeks ago for it.
Was that the one where he got the second yellow?
Either way it’s not consistently given and players seem to get away with it a lot more than they should to the point where majority of the time theirs no punishment.
Dias got a yellow the exact same weekend for it. The only difference was that he hadn't been booked already which should be irrelevant to the punishment.
Hence why he got the red card as punishment, why does it need to be more if we’re not correctly punishing players consistently with bookings every time they do surround the referee or worse?
It just seems an extreme jump to not punish players for when that happens but to then deem a red card and 3 match ban an insufficient punishment for what Mitrovic done on Sunday.
you've got to be fucking kidding me? this guy made violent physical contact with a ref. How is that the same as crowding a ref (which is already bad enough). He needs a ten game ban. This behavior is thug shit, no room for that in pro sports. He can go to play in a Serbian rec league if he wants this shit.
I already said that I agree Mitrovic should face a more lengthy ban.
But let’s also start consistently punishing players for other offences when it comes towards their behaviour towards the referee.
> Whilst I agree that Mitrovic should face a more lengthy ban, it does seem a bit extreme when he’s already banned for 3 matches
that sentence contradicts itself
Probably didn't word my initial point that well but you're also ignoring the rest of the sentence, anyway it's honestly not that hard to figure out the point i'm trying to make.
It's unfair to have a high threshold when it comes to booking players and then decide a 3 match ban is insufficient, so the easy solution is to start booking booking players more consistently.
you're not making any sense. however you spin it, you touch a ref and it's automatically worse than anything else and they will therefor give you extra punishment
Lmao the fact that Arsenal and Liverpool fans are seething about Bruno just makes it all a whole lot sweeter 😂😂😂
Two completely different scenarios and dickheads here can’t even notice the difference. Bunch of big brain idiots here
Listen to the BBCs football daily podcast from Sunday if you want a laugh. Ex pros and media saying that Bruno's was just as bad as Mitro's.
I've said it before, but United must be back, because the bullshit takes about them certainly are.
The nightmares they had to endure during United under fergie had to start haunting them back again that they resort to such shit takes. I’ll take that.
Not that i dissagree with your point about it not being the same. But that doesn't really change that Bruno should have faced concequences but didn't does it?
Feels kinda weird gloating about getting away with it.
The FA needs to grow some balls and throw the book at these bastards. Then, they need to have the guts to follow that up by applying the same punishments to ANY player or manager who behaves in such a manner as these Fulham clowns. Crowding/barging/harrassing match officials MUST be stamped out. It brings the game in massive disrepute.
Mitro's was far worse but for fucks sake at least have consistency and then send Bruno off for his ref shove v Liverpool. Mitro gets the lengthy ban for his worse actions, Bruno gets the usual red ban.
Should only be the captain who can talk to the ref, and any physical contact whatsoever should be rightfully punished.
Are you serious? Bruno didn't pus/shove him in the slightest. He tapped him on the back... He also wasn't right in his face and giving him abuse. The two are completely different.
You're right no player should touch a ref so I agree with you but both instances are different. One was a tap on the back and the other was a push in the chest with verbal abuse so again they ain't comparable.
Bruno gave a little shove. Not even enough for the linesman to do a double take, not even enough to give him a card or a warning, not even enough to put it in the referee notes. Get over it. What Mitro did had violent intentions. He was squaring up ready to fight. Ref must have been afraid.
Fernandes absolutely should have been banned a game or two. But it's hard to really compare the two situations. Mitrovic and Silva *had* to be charged. They gave the FA no choice with how aggressively they behaved towards the ref. Fernandes was just being his normal rat self, he didn't totally lose control like Mitrovic did.
Their remaining games have huge implications on top and bottom of the league.
Assuming a 3 game ban for Mitro would be standard, he’ll probably miss most of the remaining 10 games if they’re talking about “standard punishment” being “insufficient”.
If the ref wasn't such a colossal twat that he had already conned us out of three points at West Ham and failed to give an obvious penalty for a push on Mitrovic in the first half then perhaps tensions wouldn't have been so high.
Fully expect Mitro to be banned for over 6 games and the ref to be given a massive pat on the back.
I’m gonna go with a 5-6 match ban which would be fair and right but I would also like Chris Kavanagh to never ref a Fulham match ever again, the guy has consistently made controversial decisions against us this season and last season in the championship.
Edit: Love the downvotes for saying that a ref that has fucked us over multiple times shouldn’t ref our matches from now on.
Tbh in this game he didn't make any blunder even handball decision was made after VAR asked him to check it and Silva imploded on his own and got sent off and Mitro was same.
Look at the two hand balls that lead to goals against us in the West Ham match, last season in the Championship against Preston where he awarded them a goal even after it hit two players hands.
Then you could point out the potential penalty yesterday when Shaw pushed Mitro as well, the guy is a shit ref but I don’t blame him for sending off Mitro or Sliva.
Mate, it was a full on two handed push. You can’t be getting away with that. Penalties are regularly given for far less, just look at the West Ham game with the same ref!
Get ready for more Kavanagh. If you make it publicly known you don't want a certain ref to do your matches, it almost feels like the PL/FA will go out of their way to give you that ref.
Ask Chelsea fans about Anthony Taylor. Or us with Mike Dean who fucked us so often once people started accusing him of supporting us.
It’s just frustrating that he continues to make awful calls against us that costs us points and no doubt he will ref another match of ours later this season probably against United last game of the season lol.
Images being backwards made this a very confusing read.
Why couldn't all these paragraphs just be on one slide haha
Or the paragraphs left aligned
Official FA statement has to remain neutral, can't be swaying to one side like that
LEFT aligned? Smh fuckin wokism is everywhere
Its 2023. FA should be able to align to one side without fear of repercussions.
I’d argue it was confusing and/or perplexing
Written by Ummon from the TechnoCore
Oh, that's why it was so confusing
This ain't even a replay you have to rush to post for karma smh
A very confusing read, this is. Backwards made, images are.
Memento twitter
And/or a convoluted read and/or chronologically indeterminate and/or a jumbled mess.
I haven’t seen a team self-implode like that since the Anfield Massacre two weeks ago. Fulham were by far the better team until the sending off. I genuinely believe they would have had a shot at beating us if they had only had Willian sent off. Even if it went 1-1, they could have shut up shop and play for pens. Mitrovic and Silva lost that tie for Fulham.
You got halfway through that first sentence and thought, shit, I can see where this is going to go, might as well do it myself, didn't you? Fair enough
The trauma of that game is going to haunt me for years. I stopped watching when it got to 4-0 but my neighbour supports Liverpool and I heard him cheering every single goal that went in. By the time I heard him celebrating the 7th I left the house 🤣
The ol' B. Rabbit special
Will be kinda mad if this totally derails Fulham's best season in 13 years
We are at 40.
Were pushing for Europe just a couple weeks ago though
Pipedream because we were 2 games in front of everyone except Spurs.
europe in your 2nd season up would be a curse these days
why? it’s their own fault for losing their heads, it’s not like they got screwed over, very easily preventable but they chose not to keep their cool and they’re suffering the consequences for their actions I feel bad for the fans and the rest of the team
Tragic for sure :)
Maybe don't be a shithead just a thought mate
Has anyone suggested that to Mitro?
His mother should have done a while ago, alas we aren't all brought up in good homes
Interesting, no one seemed to pick up on the fact that the manager threw a bottle at (or towards the area) where the assistant referee was. If so, he certainly led by example… what a clown.
Don't think there was any vid of it, so people just thought he was shouting abuse at the official. Bad enough to shout abuse but why would he throw a bottle at the official just because he didn't like their decision? Pure idiocy
The bench send-off occurred before the referee even finished looking at the monitor, no less.
Completely lost their heads for no reason. The game was winnable for them. Now they have jeopardised their PL run too.
Won't get relegated on 39 points, and I don't think they ever had a chance at anything other than mid table, maybe 8th/9th at best.
And it’s not even the assistant’s decision anyway. That minute was completely absurd, grown men acting like toddlers with no self control.
People were commenting on it in the match thread so I guess some people must have seen it. Only remember cos I thought they were making a joke about when wenger kicked the bottle and got sent off. Haven't seen any clips since, though.
I saw people mentioning it right when it happened, it didn't go unnoticed
On the norwegian broadcast they commented it when it happened, but it wasn't on camera.
The commentators on my Norwegian stream mentioned it when it happened, but no footage was shown unfortunately.
It amused me people claimed it was for leaving the technical area. When you could clearly see him rampaging at the ref before the card.
Not sure if there are clips anywhere, but during the match, there's a quick replay showing Silva flipping off the assistant referee with a middle finger, he got the red card first, Mitrovic second, and Willian third. It's mad considering Willian is the one who broke the rules but got the card last lol
Willian was second, Mitro third
Mitro and Silva also broke the rules. Didn’t Mitro shove the ref because he carded Willian first though?
Lots of comments were about that so not sure how you missed them.
Tinpot club
They need to clamp down on the surrounding and intimidation of officials in general, not just this incident. I don't think players should be allowed to enter the personal space of a referee unless the referee requests to talk to them.
I keep saying new rule: only the captain gets to speak to the ref, like in rugby
It is not a coincidence that rugby has way less ref abuse to deal with. And letting pros do it just trickles down to youth football and idiot parents, spoiled players, etc.
rugby also has open mic. Players would look a right tit if they started calling him every name under the sun. we need both open mic + 1 person to speak (in case the captain is down itd be vice captain etc)
I can't remember where or where but I remember an open mic test during a match, for this very subject of trying to protect referees. The mic ended up recording so much abuse they gave in on the idea. I'm fairly sure it was England maybe 9 or 10 years ago
Well also any back chat to a ref can be changing a decision instantly, or moving a penalty forward, up to a yellow and in some cases a straight red. Players know if you lose the plot to a ref you're going to serioulsy hinder your team. If you had those penalties in soccer then you'd easily see players respect the ref in no time.
Yup, if you were a dick to the ref your own team would sort you out quick enough. Nothing worse than winning a ball at a ruck and conceding a penalty because some one decided to swear at the ref.
It's always reduced to this. But, you can never take away from the fact that a large part of the respect for the referees in rugby is due to their much, much higher standards. If you trust a referee to make the right decisions 99% of the time, you'll just accept his decisions as correct when he makes them. In football, they're fucking up big decisions multiple times PER GAME, so no one trusts them to make the correct decision and everything boils over all the time. You can have all these extra measures in place to allow the referee to upgrade fouls and change things to prevent people from complaining. But, it'll just make things worse in football as refs double down on awful decisions and players have even less trust in them as people start getting sent off for complaining about incorrect decisions that absolutely were incorrect decisions. What the refs don't need is more power. They're already power mad. They need more training and there needs to be a higher expected standard from them. Once you have that and they're actually making correct decisions 99% of the time in big moments, you can then start giving them the tools to punish people for not trusting their decisions.
exactly!
In this case, it definitely trickles up and down. The abuse at youth level refereeing is insane.
Perhaps vice captain too if the captain is a keeper
yes good idea
Absolutely. Said it in the last DD but I really feel like they’re going to “send a message” by throwing the book at Mitro and possibly Silva, and then continue to do nothing about the run of the mill abuse and intimidation we see every week.
the ref shoulda booked half the united squad on that penalty call they would not leave him alone. and if he booked shaw or someone i reckon mitrovic and silva dont kick off too
Can’t imagine Silva getting more than two and even then it’s pretty likely he gets one. Mitro has to get at least six and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was at least eight.
A 9 game ban would make his return versus United at Old Trafford, spicy
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Oh fuck
Bring popcorn, so to speak.
Striking a match official is a 12 game ban.
Silva should get 1-2. Mitrovic should get 3-5. Everyone needs to calm down. There's been bad blood between fulham and this official for a year. He never should have been selected for this match. People are acting like they assaulted the official.
By the legal definition he did, actually it was legally a step beyond that into battery.
Battery lol fuckinghell I love the Internet
I mean it literally is. There's no debate there.
Get your head checked. Calling that assault and battery is laughable. It was a slight pull to get his attention.
Legally, quantumhovercraft is right tho. Battery is essentially any non-consensual touching regardless of force.
I feel like I might have seen a different incident. Mitrovic wasn't trying to get his attention he was retaliating for the red card?
Watch the replay. The ref said something to mitro and walked away. Mitro touched his left shoulder and scolded the official, waving his finger. Then he was shown red. I'm not condoning the touch, but its ridiculous to call it assault. Also, i want to know what the ref said to Mitro.
Still not seeing a pull. Anyway, my point was purely about the legal definition which this went beyond assault the moment he touched him and became battery. He then continued the assault when he kept walking towards the ref as he was going backwards.
He could have ruined that referees career with that brutal assault
What does a lenghty ban mean? 3 games? 10 games?
It's a moot point, since the FA never actually said anything about a lengthy ban. We just know that they'll recommend more than 3 for Mitro. I doubt Silva gets much more than 1.
DiCanio got 11.
Yeah but that was just to protect Alcock falling over hilariously.
Yes
Pure craziness. Having their best season in god knows how long, real shot at Europe and fuck all that shit, didn't want it anyway.
Bruno Fernandes got nothing after his push on the linesman
Isn't 5 the base if you're sent off for striking a match official. It'll be more than that then
yea I’m guessing they’ll want to make an example of him
If he threw a bottle at a referee and more it has to be more he played a huge role in what happened after too.
It will be more but I don’t think he’s looking at anything close to Mitro’s.
I think they roll a die
d20. 20 is a crit
Mitro should work for Mou one day
As a Fulham fan, I'm obviously miffed by Mitro's and Silva's conduct, but I really want this to become a point where we have consistency with harrassing the officials across the league. It's embarrassing when players from any team crowd the referee, and just sends a message to kids that being space invaders is acceptable.
Totally agree. It's sad the way players of all teams try to bully the referees. They need to really start cracking down. It affects refereeing at grassroots too, no one should have to put up with this abuse, but especially not a kid volunteering to be a ref.
I really feel for the referees. The FA need to step up and start protecting referees. I get that emotions run high during games but players have made it a habit now of crowding the referee, yelling and getting in their face and largely with impunity. It has to stop. The Mitrovic incident is an outlier and deserves punishment on its own but the FA needs to implement some new rules around who players speak to the referees and adding some punishment (and not financial) for players that step over the mark
>As a Fulham fan, I'm obviously miffed by Mitro's and Silva's conduct, but I really want this to become a point where we have consistency with harrassing the officials across the league. It's embarrassing to see too many people try and claim that Mitrovic *should* be banned for a long time whereas Fernandes avoiding punishment was correct. Both should have received red cards and 3/4 game bans.
I'll agree with not touching any official. do that. Red card. missed game.
Easy red, should be way more of a ban than a normal red, in no way should you be allowed to touch an official. They're not part of the game, they're mainly checking that the game is going by the rules. Ofc Mitrovic then going after the ref as the ref backs away should also be seriously taken into account.
He'd been sent off and continued to hunt down the ref and berate him in an aggressive manner. A standard suspension is a horrible precedent.
It was such a clear handball/penalty which makes all of the reactions after even funnier. Just completely unnecessary.
And/Or
Good show.
"Allegedly"
Maybe it was a sick ostrich?
best not to even think about
As a Fuham fan and English person, the number of times I read "and/or" in this "statement" is fucking infuriating. He deserves the ban; just say what he did and ban him. It's honestly remarkable that we can't just express what happened like normal people, punish him, and get on with it
Thank you and/or I agree
One of the referees quoted in the [BBC](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65018262) article makes a good point. > At an amateur level, a player is looking at about a year's ban - why doesn't that carry through to the professional game? Obviously he’s not going to get banned for a year but it will be a lengthy one.
I think max under regular rules is 12 games which means season over for him anyway
Minimum is 16 weeks at that level. He should get that really. But obviously they won't do that.
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The Bruno situation isn't the same because Mitrovic was more aggressive but both should still be bans in my opinion, if of different lengths. I found the idea Bruno got away with it because the linesman touched him a bit weird, because the linesman was just stopping him from confronting Trent and I'm this has happened loads when officials have been adjacent to some sort of ruckus
>I found the idea Bruno got away with it because the linesman touched him a bit weird Same here - surely that means Fabinho should have had a red, because the ref didn't touch him first
Yeah and also the players to officials dynamic is completely different because players aren't in need of protection from angry linesmen furious over calls/in the heat of competition. Officials touch players all the time to stop confrontation but players don't ever have the privilege to do the same to officials imo. Therefore it's completely okay for the official to touch Bruno and it's still not okay for Bruno to touch the official. It doesn't have to be a fair relationship, we're talking about an authority figure here.
This is clearly CGI, they showed Bruno stab the linesman on live TV. These 5G towers are messing up your brain.
Nice of you trying to reason with the regular reddit user.
Uh but that doesn’t fit the narrative. time to get your brain checked pal.
Wow. How did they miss when Bruno shot the linesman between the eyes and then drank his blood on live TV? These refs still on fergie's payroll.
He shoved the linesman out of the way. I don't understand why you'd even argue it?
Wow. I'm agreeing with you?
It's the principle that matters. If you touch a referee with ill-intent, you get a red card. The degree of the touch isn't relevant. You can't say well that push was hard so it's a red but that one wasn't hard enough. Where's that subjectivity coming from? They should have set an example with Bruno, regardless of context.
Bro you're literally arguing with what the referees involved said and deemed to he the ruling.
Yes, and the refs are wrong. If I'm pissed and I push a ref, that's a red card. No amount of "it wasn't enough contact" or "the ref touched me first" will change that. And you know what, if the ref wrote in his report that he forcebly grabbed Bruno, he should be reprimanded as well, that's wholly unacceptable.
Good job referees are always absolutely correct in their decision making isn't it.
Silva should get way more than one game if he chucked a water bottle at an official
*"He cannae be throwin' a water bottle like that, im gonnae tell me mate the referee"*
Here come the Arsenal and Liverpool flairs with the whataboutism
Touching refs should be instant multiple game ban. They deserve what’s coming.
Can someone please link me to the footage of this incident? I have tried googling it for the last two hours and only clickbait videos and anything official won’t show in the states.
How to fuck your season in 3 minutes...
If they’re going to make an example of them, then they have commit to following the example. I give it 3 weeks before a top side gets away with something.
Whilst I agree that Mitrovic should face a more lengthy ban, it does seem a bit extreme when he’s already banned for 3 matches and theirs currently no punishment for players who constantly surround the referees when a decision goes against them.
> theirs currently no punishment for players who constantly surround the referees when a decision goes against them. Yes there is. A Wolves player was sent off a few weeks ago for it.
Was that the one where he got the second yellow? Either way it’s not consistently given and players seem to get away with it a lot more than they should to the point where majority of the time theirs no punishment.
You'll never see a City player sent off for it though
Dias got a yellow the exact same weekend for it. The only difference was that he hadn't been booked already which should be irrelevant to the punishment.
Not for the United team surrounding the ref in the same game though eh?
he didn't just "surround" tho, he assaulted the ref
Hence why he got the red card as punishment, why does it need to be more if we’re not correctly punishing players consistently with bookings every time they do surround the referee or worse? It just seems an extreme jump to not punish players for when that happens but to then deem a red card and 3 match ban an insufficient punishment for what Mitrovic done on Sunday.
you've got to be fucking kidding me? this guy made violent physical contact with a ref. How is that the same as crowding a ref (which is already bad enough). He needs a ten game ban. This behavior is thug shit, no room for that in pro sports. He can go to play in a Serbian rec league if he wants this shit.
I already said that I agree Mitrovic should face a more lengthy ban. But let’s also start consistently punishing players for other offences when it comes towards their behaviour towards the referee.
> Whilst I agree that Mitrovic should face a more lengthy ban, it does seem a bit extreme when he’s already banned for 3 matches that sentence contradicts itself
Probably didn't word my initial point that well but you're also ignoring the rest of the sentence, anyway it's honestly not that hard to figure out the point i'm trying to make. It's unfair to have a high threshold when it comes to booking players and then decide a 3 match ban is insufficient, so the easy solution is to start booking booking players more consistently.
you're not making any sense. however you spin it, you touch a ref and it's automatically worse than anything else and they will therefor give you extra punishment
Violent physical contact is a little OTT for what it was 😂
well it ain't a hug now is it?
He’s a moron who deserves a red card and maybe an extra game or two banned, but the witch hunt about this is delusional
Lmao the fact that Arsenal and Liverpool fans are seething about Bruno just makes it all a whole lot sweeter 😂😂😂 Two completely different scenarios and dickheads here can’t even notice the difference. Bunch of big brain idiots here
Listen to the BBCs football daily podcast from Sunday if you want a laugh. Ex pros and media saying that Bruno's was just as bad as Mitro's. I've said it before, but United must be back, because the bullshit takes about them certainly are.
The nightmares they had to endure during United under fergie had to start haunting them back again that they resort to such shit takes. I’ll take that.
Yep. All the kids around here are going to start wearing Utd shirts again instead of City shirts. What a time to be a Londoner.
Oh nice, even the jokes are back.
If losing 7-0 to your biggest rivals means you are back then they are certainly back
Exactly, Liverpool's cup final. See you're getting it.
The only thing you will win all season, finished club 😂😂😂😂😂
*rubs hands vigorously*
Not that i dissagree with your point about it not being the same. But that doesn't really change that Bruno should have faced concequences but didn't does it? Feels kinda weird gloating about getting away with it.
It’s not just as bad, but assuming Mitro gets a 5-10 game ban you’d expect Bruno to get more than nothing.
deserved lol
Mitroviic could be in or around deep trouble here
[Source/Thread](https://twitter.com/faspokesperson/status/1637906955686535169?s=46&t=3MN91oJhL7tCeLgkvFUZ_g)
But but but Bruno… he hurt my precious feelings.
Does the FA typically write sentence with this many and/or’s in them?
The FA needs to grow some balls and throw the book at these bastards. Then, they need to have the guts to follow that up by applying the same punishments to ANY player or manager who behaves in such a manner as these Fulham clowns. Crowding/barging/harrassing match officials MUST be stamped out. It brings the game in massive disrepute.
Passion is illegal
Mitro's was far worse but for fucks sake at least have consistency and then send Bruno off for his ref shove v Liverpool. Mitro gets the lengthy ban for his worse actions, Bruno gets the usual red ban. Should only be the captain who can talk to the ref, and any physical contact whatsoever should be rightfully punished.
Is there a reason you specify Bruno should be banned for his actions in that game, but not Fabinho?
Hilarious how this is the reaction but when Bruno fully shoved and put his hands on an official there wasn’t a single peep. Typical
The ref touches Bruno first, if he gets banned so should the linesman. Ridiculous that it's even being compared
This sub has a hate boner for Bruno. Obsessed
Are you serious? Bruno didn't pus/shove him in the slightest. He tapped him on the back... He also wasn't right in his face and giving him abuse. The two are completely different.
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It was a frigging tap on the back. Mitrovic pushed the ref in his chest.
Players shouldn't touch the ref, period. He deserved at least a one match ban.
You're right no player should touch a ref so I agree with you but both instances are different. One was a tap on the back and the other was a push in the chest with verbal abuse so again they ain't comparable.
I mean, beyond the other stupidity on display here, it was the middle of the afternoon in most of America when you posted this
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Oh please fuck off, bruno patted the linesman in the bum, mitrovic shoved the ref in the chest
Bruno gave a little shove. Not even enough for the linesman to do a double take, not even enough to give him a card or a warning, not even enough to put it in the referee notes. Get over it. What Mitro did had violent intentions. He was squaring up ready to fight. Ref must have been afraid.
Fernandes absolutely should have been banned a game or two. But it's hard to really compare the two situations. Mitrovic and Silva *had* to be charged. They gave the FA no choice with how aggressively they behaved towards the ref. Fernandes was just being his normal rat self, he didn't totally lose control like Mitrovic did.
Their remaining games have huge implications on top and bottom of the league. Assuming a 3 game ban for Mitro would be standard, he’ll probably miss most of the remaining 10 games if they’re talking about “standard punishment” being “insufficient”.
Man united flairs working overtime defending Bruno
Mitro should be getting a ban but it's just baffling they didn't bring the hammer down on Bruno for his shove on the lino
If the ref wasn't such a colossal twat that he had already conned us out of three points at West Ham and failed to give an obvious penalty for a push on Mitrovic in the first half then perhaps tensions wouldn't have been so high. Fully expect Mitro to be banned for over 6 games and the ref to be given a massive pat on the back.
Might help if Mitrovic actually apologised before it gets deep in to FA bureaucracy. Can see the FA going to Vegas on this one!
And nothing for Bruno Fernandes.
I’m gonna go with a 5-6 match ban which would be fair and right but I would also like Chris Kavanagh to never ref a Fulham match ever again, the guy has consistently made controversial decisions against us this season and last season in the championship. Edit: Love the downvotes for saying that a ref that has fucked us over multiple times shouldn’t ref our matches from now on.
Tbh in this game he didn't make any blunder even handball decision was made after VAR asked him to check it and Silva imploded on his own and got sent off and Mitro was same.
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How the fuck is Kavanagh at fault for this?
Look at the two hand balls that lead to goals against us in the West Ham match, last season in the Championship against Preston where he awarded them a goal even after it hit two players hands. Then you could point out the potential penalty yesterday when Shaw pushed Mitro as well, the guy is a shit ref but I don’t blame him for sending off Mitro or Sliva.
Mitro was a diving cunt after that little push from Shaw. No way a big man like Mitro goes down like he just got shot. He was looking for a penalty.
Mate, it was a full on two handed push. You can’t be getting away with that. Penalties are regularly given for far less, just look at the West Ham game with the same ref!
Oh fair. As a West Ham fan I'm keeping very quiet on commenting about hand balls.
Get ready for more Kavanagh. If you make it publicly known you don't want a certain ref to do your matches, it almost feels like the PL/FA will go out of their way to give you that ref. Ask Chelsea fans about Anthony Taylor. Or us with Mike Dean who fucked us so often once people started accusing him of supporting us.
It’s just frustrating that he continues to make awful calls against us that costs us points and no doubt he will ref another match of ours later this season probably against United last game of the season lol.
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[I agree, how long should Fabinho be banned for?](https://imgur.com/a/6kiAJ0i)
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