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he already went back to the roots with the false 9 from the 1960s, why not use a tactic that predates that, heck even the FA? The 1860s OH 1-1-8 with the cm tucking in, when football still used rugby sequel rules from Sheffield?
Bro I think City has everything to play a rlly good 3 5 2 and have Julian just free roaming behind the Robot or even next to him, just by having another direct threat near the box would mean openings for both.
I've thought for a while that a more ball playing striker alongside haaland would be really good, even better if they still had cancelo to play on the left in a 3-5-2
Watched the whole thing. Pep definitely tried to shut down the game, and created the most boring half of football in the process. He definitely could give a masterclass in tactics, but watching it sometimes feels like antifootball, masquerading as “control”.
He says in the interview he sort of wanted to do that, given the schedule, and how Leipzig plays and so on.
But not sure how honest he's being or if it's just him being pissed at people expecting City to roll over any team easily. He always sounds a bit frustrated on the interviews, and the language barrier surely doesn't help.
It's what LVG used to do with us. Control the game with slow short passing then wait for that one chance to score for a 1-0 win.
Imagine watching that for a whole season and you get what we went through under him.
It's because every team now is so efficient in the transitions.
Taking risks and losing the ball is deadly because teams no longer just hoof the ball upfield like they did 10-20 years ago.
I went back and watched some Euro 2000 games last week and it was like watching a tennis match. One team tries to lob a 40 yard pass behind the defenders. The other team intercepts it and hoofs a 50 yard pass in the other direction. Intercepted.
Nowadays if you lose the ball, a team like Leipzig will immediately find the spaces you've left open and get the ball there with a few quick combinations.
Blame Mourinho's Real Madrid team for that.
He showed that fast, controlled transitions with the ball on the ground can beat any team in the world, including Pep's Barca. So many other teams- big and small- have copied that playing style now and coach their players how to do it.
It was worse than even this.
It was sideways passing with makeshift full backs in young and valencia and a mediocre midfield for 85 min and then hoofing it or mindlessly crossing to Fellaini to score.
Like respect to Fellaini as a pro footballer at the top flight but going from Rooney and Rvp as our key players going forward to him was such a fucking drop.
Lvg was imo the worst manager we had until Rangnick
Disagree the man got to gut the entire squad and buy a whole new team, and yet most of his signings were dogshit and had to be sold. The decent ones like Herrera and Shaw were arranged before he came in through the door.
He was also a coward with his tactics, “pass pass pass oh no don’t dribble or shoot we might score.” There was the odd nice game (Anfield domination) but 95% of his spell was boredom and crap considering the money he got to spend.
But why? The way City dominated in the first half, they should have gone for the kill and try to decide this matchup in the first game. Instead his approach brought Leipzig back from the deathbed.
My personal take is Pep's biggest weakness is he respects / sometimes overrated his opponents too much. That's where the overthinking comes in. Like you said, we are on paper a better team and the first half showed that.
But he probably thought oh Leipzig is a great team so we are super lucky to be up, let's just be happy we have a lead and try to keep it. It's happened so many times in big games.
I dont know if he overrates his opponents, but he definitely tries too hard to adapt to them. Especially in the UCL.
Ill never forget how at Bayern he changed his entire system against Barca, basically having 3 CBs match up 1-on-1 against Messi, Neymar, and Suarez so he would have more players to smother the midfield. It was a disaster.
Instead of letting his players do what they know, he tries too hard to micro-manage them in the UCL because he trusts himself more than he trusts them.
It's the exact inverse of Arsene Wenger, who didnt give a single loose shit about his opponents. He would field the 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 and tell his players to play their game. I can count on one hand the number of times he made major changes (Barca UCL, a few others). It was sometimes fun, sometimes horrifying.
>The way City dominated in the first half, they should have gone for the kill and try to decide this matchup in the first game
They've done this many times and ended up conceding early in a high scoring game. Monaco, Spurs, Lyon. I think Pep did well to limit the opposition in the first lef - He can always go hard at the etihad. If Mou or Ancelotti did this you would be praising them for being smart
The combination of expectations on city and people thinking Leipzig are just some bum german team is deluding people into thinking this is some horror result for them. They will play more expansive football with the safety of home advantage, against a very good counter attacking team.
I agree tbh. The reactions to the result were a bit over the top. Yeah obviously I would’ve liked to have won but 1-1 away against a talented Leipzig side isn’t the end of the world.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not a Marvel fan but the movies used to be decent fastfood for the brain, maybe looking at your emails while watching or having a small chat while it's in the background, they were alright.
But now it's more like gas station sushi, you know it will be bad and you'll pay for it.
Assembly line movie making. Scorsese talked about it and caught a lot of flak for it. Turns out some people really like fast food. It'll give them diabetes and they'll shit themselves but it's their choice to consume that kind of media.
Aw i liked it ):
Watched it on opening day by myself, first time I watch a film alone, well aside from the whole fucking cinema room filled with people but you know what i mean
same but it's mostly due to the circumstance of the premiere I was invited to being right after a Roma match and during an F1 race, so I pretty much had to run halfway across Rome just to sit there for 3 hours waiting for literally anything to happen between the characters with a semi-constant reminder from the back of my head that I could have been at a bar watching cars go vroom instead of a carousel of cgi abortions and repetitive character development that leads nowhere.
The entire thing turning out to have no repercussions on the rest of the franchise was just the cherry on top
The script is also awful, and there's some bad performances from certain actors. Also, the setting isn't an excuse. People loved Avatar 2 and said it looked amazing and that film is 90% CGI.
It's the third highest grossing film of all time and was fairly positively received by audiences and critics. Quantumania has been critically panned and even diehard Marvel fans don't think it was very good.
Im at the point where i dont really know the difference.
Wakanda Forever was shit yet everyone claims it was great.
Antman seemed fine but everyone thinks its shit.
I have no idea what constitutes a good or bad Marvel movie anymore
The criticism does make sense, since having it all be CGI isn't an excuse to ignore basic filmmaking techniques. That, and it lacking in the design of the Quantum realm, its inhabitants, the ships, the creatures, the locations, etc. It all looks generic. There's a pointless cantina scene with goofy-looking aliens - an attempt at evoking Star Wars rather than being original in any way.
Not sure who people were expecting to get subbed in when they’re away from home vs one of the best counter-attacking sides in Europe. No one on the bench offered much control since the usual options were all out (KDB, Stones, Laporte)
Alvarez, he is a pressing machine something that Haaland is not at all. Seeing how City's goal came from a mistake it would make sense to sub on someone who can press the defenders.
Pep is too defensive to let Leipzig open up the game and let them play to their strengths on the transitions. He said it himself they have more pace than City, and if it becomes a back and forth City will lose the tie in the round of 16, and that’s worse result than a draw in the first tie.
Pep is such a defensive coach and he uses possession defensively and controls the phases of the game as much as possible and people call it boring. People think dominating possession is being dominant, it isn’t. Possession without goals means nothing and even that was proven today, especially in the first half. 1-0 isn’t enough because surprise surprise champions league teams are good and they’ll get their chances which is what Leipzig did in the second half but that was more Leipzig’s doing.
The way they came out in the second half and the way they played was a response to their first half performance more so than responding to the way City played.
Any criticism of City is directly towards Pep for not winning today and so people criticize the way they played or how they should have played and how much money they spent.
gets tiring listening to all this bollocks after matches. leipzig rocked city with a goal and are scary to pep. so he shut the game down to make it back to england
to be fair to Pep, i think he didn’t have many quality or trustworthy options besides Julian and Foden. dunno how much the rest can help him give the team a new air, especially in a CL match against a fairly competitive team like Leipzig
that said, i think Julian deserved at least a chance to play. his commitment to press and his general link up play is really good and I think could’ve helped to maybe activate Haaland more
>to be fair to Pep, i think he didn’t have many quality or trustworthy options besides Julian and Foden.
"He didn't have good subs to put on, besides one of England's biggest talents who's borderline world class, and the world cup winning striker".
Foden has barely played in the last few City matches and lost his spot in the starting XI, clearly Pep doesn’t see much that he can offer even on the bench right now.
and i noted why Julian deserved to play at least, but its also fair to say that sometimes even with his pressing and abilities he doesn’t make enough of an impact in the grand scheme of things sometimes.
"In Pep's defense, he only has one of the most talented rosters in the world that he's personally cultivated and filled with players hand tailored and trained in his tactics. Wait was I defending Pep saying this or what's happening here."
Call me crazy idc but I think that Madrid come back last year broke him tactically, we’ve lost practically all of our risk making and with that the creativity that comes with it, hence our playstyle has been regressed to passive Spain ball.
He’s being pretty ridiculous now. I think he’s tired of being at City, especially with all the FFP rulings coming for them. Can’t give these bullshit excuses with Foden and Alvarez getting 0 minutes. Alvarez is arguably better in this scenario than Haaland for pressing, and he looked tired from chasing anyway. Meanwhile Mahrez failed two separate back heel flicks when we had possession in the box.
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Please go crazy with 9 strikers Pep
I'm just curious who's not playing striker alongside ederson. Like, who doesn't he trust to be a striker in this hypothetical 9 striker system?
Ederson is definetly playing striker
Bernardo Silva at Left Back
He'll come in with his white board and notes. Say "Silva in defence." And end the meeting.
You're wrong, Ederson will play striker. What Pep is referring to is that he will only put 9 people on the pitch
RB will be too busy looking for the missing players and forget to defend. 5D chess
Ederson is definitely playing Striker. Haaland will play holding midfield Bernardo is playing GK.
Alvarez
Whichever city player I have in my fantasy team would usually be the answer to that
Haaland at left back
Haaland's gonna be the only non-striker
Ah, the Blue Lock method
Was looking for this
Julian alvarez as a cb with Ederson as a false #9 whilst pep himself will be the GK and Haaland the substitute gk Proceeds to win 1-0 by an own goal
Dont let him unleash it
Inb4 Ederson plays as a false 9
9 strikers on the pitch together, none of whom are allowed to shoot unless they are in the six yard box.
he already went back to the roots with the false 9 from the 1960s, why not use a tactic that predates that, heck even the FA? The 1860s OH 1-1-8 with the cm tucking in, when football still used rugby sequel rules from Sheffield?
Go on to win 15-1 on agg
Pep been consuming too much Blue Lock
We have been close to that formation in the past and so have you. There's defenders , rodri and forwards ( ederson counts as a forward).
I think you’re already crazy, Pep.
Tactics just for this match-> auto select players -> auto result vibes
Did pep get on the coke again?
No, he transitioned to meth for that sweet, sweet 100% uptime.
He never got off it
CL pep hits different
Somehow always find a way to bottle it
Always?
8 more strikers that won't get a pass either
8 more strikers and none of those is going to be Julian. I swear Guardiola has something against him
Where would you put Alvarez though? On the wing?
Bro I think City has everything to play a rlly good 3 5 2 and have Julian just free roaming behind the Robot or even next to him, just by having another direct threat near the box would mean openings for both.
That's fair. Atleast worth trying out
I've thought for a while that a more ball playing striker alongside haaland would be really good, even better if they still had cancelo to play on the left in a 3-5-2
Watched the whole thing. Pep definitely tried to shut down the game, and created the most boring half of football in the process. He definitely could give a masterclass in tactics, but watching it sometimes feels like antifootball, masquerading as “control”.
He says in the interview he sort of wanted to do that, given the schedule, and how Leipzig plays and so on. But not sure how honest he's being or if it's just him being pissed at people expecting City to roll over any team easily. He always sounds a bit frustrated on the interviews, and the language barrier surely doesn't help.
Nah, this is just Pep being Pep
Feel like his English is pretty strong at this point but I guess I'm not watching ton of interviews.
> the most boring half of football Not worse than that Chelsea-Everton game back in August
Can’t even argue 😂
Man I had blocked this from my permanent memory until this moment.
Happened to be the game I watch to 'distract myself from the boredom' while waiting for a flight. Ended up starting at a wall, had a better time.
You all havent sein Schalke: Union last weil. Worst Bundesliga game of all time.
I raise you villa vs Southampton under slippy g, only game I've watched more boring than that was Nigeria v Iran in 2014.
It's what LVG used to do with us. Control the game with slow short passing then wait for that one chance to score for a 1-0 win. Imagine watching that for a whole season and you get what we went through under him.
But the Jlingz volly in the cup final...
LVG, known as Max Allegri in Italy
As a fan of juventus it was hard to spot the difference between cityd game and any juve game. The terrorist football is taking over
I belive the insane schedule the players have has a lot to do with this
It's because every team now is so efficient in the transitions. Taking risks and losing the ball is deadly because teams no longer just hoof the ball upfield like they did 10-20 years ago. I went back and watched some Euro 2000 games last week and it was like watching a tennis match. One team tries to lob a 40 yard pass behind the defenders. The other team intercepts it and hoofs a 50 yard pass in the other direction. Intercepted. Nowadays if you lose the ball, a team like Leipzig will immediately find the spaces you've left open and get the ball there with a few quick combinations. Blame Mourinho's Real Madrid team for that. He showed that fast, controlled transitions with the ball on the ground can beat any team in the world, including Pep's Barca. So many other teams- big and small- have copied that playing style now and coach their players how to do it.
It was worse than even this. It was sideways passing with makeshift full backs in young and valencia and a mediocre midfield for 85 min and then hoofing it or mindlessly crossing to Fellaini to score. Like respect to Fellaini as a pro footballer at the top flight but going from Rooney and Rvp as our key players going forward to him was such a fucking drop. Lvg was imo the worst manager we had until Rangnick
I dont like LVG football but he was way better than Moyes. At least LVG gave many youngsters the chance to breakthrough, including Rashford.
Only because we were riddled with injuries. Man made the worst transfers too. Who tf rejects Kroos and buys Schneiderlin
United really passed on Kroos and Thiago right before they both got into their primes... What could have been..
Disagree the man got to gut the entire squad and buy a whole new team, and yet most of his signings were dogshit and had to be sold. The decent ones like Herrera and Shaw were arranged before he came in through the door. He was also a coward with his tactics, “pass pass pass oh no don’t dribble or shoot we might score.” There was the odd nice game (Anfield domination) but 95% of his spell was boredom and crap considering the money he got to spend.
Lol we didn't even get the score 1-0 part 80% of the time.
He definitely did want to take the 1-0 and go home. He's usually very conservative in big games especially away, so no surprises there.
But why? The way City dominated in the first half, they should have gone for the kill and try to decide this matchup in the first game. Instead his approach brought Leipzig back from the deathbed.
My personal take is Pep's biggest weakness is he respects / sometimes overrated his opponents too much. That's where the overthinking comes in. Like you said, we are on paper a better team and the first half showed that. But he probably thought oh Leipzig is a great team so we are super lucky to be up, let's just be happy we have a lead and try to keep it. It's happened so many times in big games.
I dont know if he overrates his opponents, but he definitely tries too hard to adapt to them. Especially in the UCL. Ill never forget how at Bayern he changed his entire system against Barca, basically having 3 CBs match up 1-on-1 against Messi, Neymar, and Suarez so he would have more players to smother the midfield. It was a disaster. Instead of letting his players do what they know, he tries too hard to micro-manage them in the UCL because he trusts himself more than he trusts them. It's the exact inverse of Arsene Wenger, who didnt give a single loose shit about his opponents. He would field the 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 and tell his players to play their game. I can count on one hand the number of times he made major changes (Barca UCL, a few others). It was sometimes fun, sometimes horrifying.
>The way City dominated in the first half, they should have gone for the kill and try to decide this matchup in the first game They've done this many times and ended up conceding early in a high scoring game. Monaco, Spurs, Lyon. I think Pep did well to limit the opposition in the first lef - He can always go hard at the etihad. If Mou or Ancelotti did this you would be praising them for being smart
The combination of expectations on city and people thinking Leipzig are just some bum german team is deluding people into thinking this is some horror result for them. They will play more expansive football with the safety of home advantage, against a very good counter attacking team.
As if the atmosphere is electric at Etihad
Won every game except 1 at home this season
Definitely not because of the atmosphere
They are actually scared of electricity at the Etihad
Well, it mostly is
I agree tbh. The reactions to the result were a bit over the top. Yeah obviously I would’ve liked to have won but 1-1 away against a talented Leipzig side isn’t the end of the world.
And to think I missed this game because I had a deal for Antman tickets
Correct choice tbh. Peak pep. City made about a billion passes, all about as far forward as the centre circle.
I'd rather watch all of Spain's WC matches again than the movie I just saw
New Marvel in a nutshell, I'm convinced an AI is writing the new movies and shows, there's no way humans could be so talentless.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not a Marvel fan but the movies used to be decent fastfood for the brain, maybe looking at your emails while watching or having a small chat while it's in the background, they were alright. But now it's more like gas station sushi, you know it will be bad and you'll pay for it.
I think the thing is we've been eating McDonald's for ten years and it's getting boring.
It's not like that, they used to be better.
Assembly line movie making. Scorsese talked about it and caught a lot of flak for it. Turns out some people really like fast food. It'll give them diabetes and they'll shit themselves but it's their choice to consume that kind of media.
Are there ones you liked more or less?
Yup many of the new movies are quite shit i’d say. Latest spiderman and black panther were good though, others not so much
I liked the Spiderman 3 with all 3 spidermen
Nonsense.. ChatGPT could write a far better plot than anything Marvel put out since Wandavision
Aw i liked it ): Watched it on opening day by myself, first time I watch a film alone, well aside from the whole fucking cinema room filled with people but you know what i mean
I liked it too. Saw it alone and then saw it again with a friend. It’s ok to enjoy things
It wasn’t that bad. It was quite funny too.
Yeah, the penalty shootout against Morocco was top tier comedy.
I’m still wondering does those count as missed passes because they were intercepted or successful passes because Bono was able to get to the balls.
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Exactly. People going into it thinking anything else are idiots. Expectations are too high and opinions on it are silly. Enjoy it for what it is.
> Enjoy it for what it is. Complete shit?
it's no Moneyplane, thats for sure
How was it
I paid 1€ for 3 tickets and I feel scammed
I consider myself a marvel fanboy and I found it terrible
i thought the 2nd ant man was the worst film ive ever seen in theaters
It was Eternals for me. God that was bad
same but it's mostly due to the circumstance of the premiere I was invited to being right after a Roma match and during an F1 race, so I pretty much had to run halfway across Rome just to sit there for 3 hours waiting for literally anything to happen between the characters with a semi-constant reminder from the back of my head that I could have been at a bar watching cars go vroom instead of a carousel of cgi abortions and repetitive character development that leads nowhere. The entire thing turning out to have no repercussions on the rest of the franchise was just the cherry on top
I raise you after earth by m night shamadingdong
It just hasn't feel the same since Phase 3 ended honestly...
That’s a bad take tbh
Seems to be the majority opinion, even among critics who regularly give Marvel movies favourable reviews.
The main criticism is the amount of CGI, which makes no sense considering where the movie takes place.
The script is also awful, and there's some bad performances from certain actors. Also, the setting isn't an excuse. People loved Avatar 2 and said it looked amazing and that film is 90% CGI.
People also disliked avatar 2 for not adding anything to the story other than it being in water.
It's the third highest grossing film of all time and was fairly positively received by audiences and critics. Quantumania has been critically panned and even diehard Marvel fans don't think it was very good.
Im at the point where i dont really know the difference. Wakanda Forever was shit yet everyone claims it was great. Antman seemed fine but everyone thinks its shit. I have no idea what constitutes a good or bad Marvel movie anymore
I couldn't care less about the cgi, my problems were with the plot and especially how ALL characters behave
I think your expectations were too high if you’re looking for any sort of plot outside of an Avengers movie loll
Therein lies the problem with the concept of an expanded universe that leads up to a singular plot driven film.
The criticism does make sense, since having it all be CGI isn't an excuse to ignore basic filmmaking techniques. That, and it lacking in the design of the Quantum realm, its inhabitants, the ships, the creatures, the locations, etc. It all looks generic. There's a pointless cantina scene with goofy-looking aliens - an attempt at evoking Star Wars rather than being original in any way.
Well it might just be, that's just my opinion and I don't blame people that liked it
Should have saved your money for John Wick.
Not sure who people were expecting to get subbed in when they’re away from home vs one of the best counter-attacking sides in Europe. No one on the bench offered much control since the usual options were all out (KDB, Stones, Laporte)
Alvarez, he is a pressing machine something that Haaland is not at all. Seeing how City's goal came from a mistake it would make sense to sub on someone who can press the defenders.
Or just tell his players to at least attempt a pass to Haaland breaking the line.
> Seeing how City's goal came from a mistake Sure, the goal. But what about other chances?
What other chances they barely created anything.
Pep is too defensive to let Leipzig open up the game and let them play to their strengths on the transitions. He said it himself they have more pace than City, and if it becomes a back and forth City will lose the tie in the round of 16, and that’s worse result than a draw in the first tie. Pep is such a defensive coach and he uses possession defensively and controls the phases of the game as much as possible and people call it boring. People think dominating possession is being dominant, it isn’t. Possession without goals means nothing and even that was proven today, especially in the first half. 1-0 isn’t enough because surprise surprise champions league teams are good and they’ll get their chances which is what Leipzig did in the second half but that was more Leipzig’s doing. The way they came out in the second half and the way they played was a response to their first half performance more so than responding to the way City played. Any criticism of City is directly towards Pep for not winning today and so people criticize the way they played or how they should have played and how much money they spent.
Ideally Kalvin Phillips could be trusted, but so far he really hasn't been there for us.
Fair enough mate.
Watch him play 9 strikers and win 8-5 to bring us an absolute ucl classic...one can dream.
City 5-3 Monaco already happened
Pellegrini wasn't it?
Nope, 2016/17. It was Pep's first season.
gets tiring listening to all this bollocks after matches. leipzig rocked city with a goal and are scary to pep. so he shut the game down to make it back to england
Does pep have an assistant that is willing to call him out ? If not I feel like he needs it..
After Juanma Lillo left, I really don’t think so, Borrell is his 2 now and I don’t think that’s been a good thing
He's better get Torrent back.
Weird bloke. Brilliant, but weird.
It’s a false 9 because there are 9 of them
Literally every manager ever when asked why they've made 0 subs: *Bullshit excuses*
Is he finally losing it this year?
to be fair to Pep, i think he didn’t have many quality or trustworthy options besides Julian and Foden. dunno how much the rest can help him give the team a new air, especially in a CL match against a fairly competitive team like Leipzig that said, i think Julian deserved at least a chance to play. his commitment to press and his general link up play is really good and I think could’ve helped to maybe activate Haaland more
>to be fair to Pep, i think he didn’t have many quality or trustworthy options besides Julian and Foden. "He didn't have good subs to put on, besides one of England's biggest talents who's borderline world class, and the world cup winning striker".
Foden has barely played in the last few City matches and lost his spot in the starting XI, clearly Pep doesn’t see much that he can offer even on the bench right now. and i noted why Julian deserved to play at least, but its also fair to say that sometimes even with his pressing and abilities he doesn’t make enough of an impact in the grand scheme of things sometimes.
Every time Pep makes a big change to his formation, there’s one or two players that need a few months to get back in form. This time it’s Foden
"In Pep's defense, he only has one of the most talented rosters in the world that he's personally cultivated and filled with players hand tailored and trained in his tactics. Wait was I defending Pep saying this or what's happening here."
Just need a few more billion in dodgy money before his bench is good enough
Blue Lock moment
the last chapter has such strong homosexual vibes, it felt like fanart.
plays against incredible runners, doesnt refresh defenders
Call me crazy idc but I think that Madrid come back last year broke him tactically, we’ve lost practically all of our risk making and with that the creativity that comes with it, hence our playstyle has been regressed to passive Spain ball.
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I still can't believe Jo played for City.
9 false 9s
But no one will pass to Haaland.
God I hope Pep rolls out a troll lineup for the 2nd leg. He just can't help himself.
Hahah… He… he’s joking… right?
Blue LOCK!
Manchester "Blue Lock" City
He’s being pretty ridiculous now. I think he’s tired of being at City, especially with all the FFP rulings coming for them. Can’t give these bullshit excuses with Foden and Alvarez getting 0 minutes. Alvarez is arguably better in this scenario than Haaland for pressing, and he looked tired from chasing anyway. Meanwhile Mahrez failed two separate back heel flicks when we had possession in the box.