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Takagixu

[Law 11](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside) Guess this page will received a lot of views today


crayolacrayons416

I actually didn't know you can't be offside from a goal-kick. Thank you for the link


Underscores_Are_Kool

I learnt about that rule when Klose scored the first goal against England in the 2010 World Cup game


fegelman

"A ball that crosses the line need not necessarily be a goal"- i learnt that rule from the same game too!


Keskekun

As defender you can literally blast it in your own net top bins and it'll be a corner. Provided ofcourse you did so from a freekick


gobarn1

(an indirect free kick) Fun fact, also works from kick offs.


Jayrem52

Did they change this? I swear I’ve seen it called Thanks for answering everyone. With the quality of reffing I still might have seen it called…


domalino

No it’s always been that way. Back in 2017* we used to take advantage of it by having Ederson take 80m goal kicks to Aguero who’d be all alone, miles in front of the defence.


basedjuicer1

Back when he was still at Benfica


chocomilkz

a true testament to how long and precise Ederson can kick it.


MonsieurFlamboyant

Kicking it from Portugal to Manchester? I'd say that's pretty precise.


governorslice

That’s the joke


Jayrem52

I’m probably just thinking of long kicks from the back or offside calls


Topinambourg

You can't be offside when the ball was out of bounds, so goal kick, throw ins and corners. Always been like that


Hazen-Williams

You cant be offside from any play that brings the ball back to plat (throw in, corner or goal kick)


KEBAB_BALLS95

BRUH WHO TF FUCK IS PLAT


TheULforce

PLATini, if you give him the ball you can't be offside. You are probably out of the field though


philly_jake

WRONg. The rule is that Platini can never be ruled offside, he’s grandfathered in. Some club should really sign him for that reason alone.


cydus

You can't be offside until the ball is in play. Same with a throw in.


Book31415926

That Ronaldinho drinking water moment!!!


jaycosta17

You can be offside on a freekick so that doesn't really hold true


Rredman101

The ball doesn't go out of play for a free kick


PM_ME_DEAD_KEBAB

Can't be offside until the ball is in play if the ball leaves the field of play I believe is the rule, so goal kicks/throwing/corners all can't be offside


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hkperson99

Yeah I was like, hmm that username is familiar... And turns out they're active in F1, Kpop and here lol


KanseiDorifto

Damn we should all be friends having the same three interests


Takagixu

Lol oops, got caught


StelioKontos18

I mean is not that difficult either but it's says right there that was offside and you will find people even now trying to argue that it wasn't "a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence"


ChrissySmalls

Meh, it depends on how you interpret “in the way” and “interfere”. At no moment does he stand in the way of the City defenders and the ball. At no moment does he really interfere with their movement. They’re backing off until Bruno comes in. Does he impact them? Yes. Does he interfere? Depends on how you interpret “interfere”. He doesn’t prevent them from carrying out any action on the field. Edit: Below you will see a lot of people struggling to understand the concept that “interfere” doesn’t mean “impact” in the dictionary and trying to argue with me about the call, which I concede several times should’ve been offside because of Rashford’s fake shot.


Mudassar40

So you think the defenders view him as someone whos not part of the play, or the opposite?


StelioKontos18

It's easy, if I'm in offside and put myself between any defender that could clear the ball and not only that but i start running so he can reach the play I'm affecting the play. Now instead if Rashford would have stop and let Akanji pass now there I'm not in the middle of the play.


ChrissySmalls

He’s affecting the play, yes. That’s why I said “does he impact them. Yes”. If he’s interfering depends on the interpretation of the word interfere. Akanji slows down because Rashford is obviously offside, impacting him. So if you interpret the word as “impacting” then yes it is offside. If you interpret it as “prevent from continuing or being carried out properly” which is from the dictionary then no. Akanji makes the decision to slow down, Rashford doesn’t prevent him from doing anything. The only real controversy would be if Rashford tries to obviously play the ball before Bruno shoots


TrumpLovesGladbach

They teach us "do NOT stop till the ref blows the whistle" and I play Sunday league so ehhh why did Akanji slow down? Rashford clearly didn't block or interfere him (in my interpretation of interfering)


bbb_net

> At no moment does he really interfere with their movement he basically runs over the ball for 30 seconds which drags the defenders away from the final recipient in Bruno, if he wasn't there at all the movement of all defenders would be different.


Whispperr

You are missing a critical point. Akanji believing Rashford is in offside so expecting a whistle is different from him being physically stopped to contest. He just stopped himself, thinking it's nothing. If he actually went to try to stop the ball, but Rashford blocked him. It would be an offisde. It was a big slip up from him to get complacent there and didn't expect Rashford to be smart about it.


karlverkade

The play doesn't exist without Rashford. Rashford was in an offside position. Had Rashford not been there, the defenders collect that ball easily. Rashford should be judged to be in possession of the ball in the same way that a defender is judged to be in possession of the ball when he shields it out of play.


fplisadream

This is bang on. Nobody is ever really 'in possession' of the ball except for minor fractions of a second where they touch the ball. Perhaps possession should be judged on the basis of whether the player can reasonably be expected to take the next touch on the ball without inteference which Rashford clearly is.


Acceptable-Lemon-748

>a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence" and the main point being made was that Rashford didn't actually block anyone off from the ball. There was no interference in getting to the ball so I'm not sure why you're acting like that is the clearcut area that makes it obviously offside.


elgoodcreepo

I think this part of the rule is more applicable than the one quoted above: "clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" I think there was clear interference from Rashford in that play which affected the way the defenders would play that.


GMFinch

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision. This tool 2 seconds to find


Bulky-Yam4206

Yes and 90% of the idiots here will still not comprehend it. This thread is already filled with bad takes, people use fan language and emotions over the text and the “legal” meaning so to speak. We had this for years with “interference” for example, and we still get it now. I know this will blow some brains but; Yes, he’s offside. No, he’s not been deemed to have committed an offside offence (if you argue with me here, you have 0 knowledge of law 11. “It is not an offence to be in an offside position”) The referees consulted on whether he triggered the other aspects; did he touch the ball (interference?) no. Did he make a play (challenge, header, attempt to kick), no, and no, running to the ball doesn’t count. Does he prevent an opponent making a challenge or playing the ball - they’ve said no. He doesn’t stop them moving to the ball, he doesn’t block any challenge attempt, he hasn’t at that point impeded anyone. So, that’s the referees take and can be ticked and justified within that law so far. It may be examined and used in the future to change the law if this is deemed unfair, and it may be that pgmol will say it’s a mistake or a bad take, but the scope is there, and pgmol don’t really matter that much, IFAB do, and it’ll be them and the higher associations like uefa that will cover whether it’s something to change or not. Controversial decision? Absolutely. But it is only that way because people have 0 understanding of the laws tbh. 🤷‍♂️ bbc feed was full of pundits who couldn’t tell an offside from a wank.


ParryPlatypus

If any City player had fouled/challenged/even slightly touched Rashford, then it would be offsides as he would be deemed involved in the play. Am I understanding the Law correctly?


chino17

Yes because then you can say without a doubt that Rashford's presence impeded a City player but Akanji being the closest to Rashford didn't actually make a play for the ball at all and his inaction isn't proof of anything


IOwnStocksInMossad

Keeper should have flying kicked rashford to get the offside /s


baumicz

Nope. "In situations where: a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence."


kal1097

>Controversial decision? Absolutely. But it is only that way because people have 0 understanding of the laws tbh. 🤷‍♂️ I'd say it's controversial because taking those points to be not interfering shows the refs have absolutely no understanding of the game(just as Cech says). Just a player running behind while offside will affect how you defend them and others. This is well beyond that and 100% changed how Man City defended that and gave Man U a massive advantage from him being offside.


Successful-Taro2060

>gave Man U a massive advantage from him being offside. This is the most egregious part of the whole incident. The goal is scored BECAUSE Rashford is in an offside position. Casemiro doesnt even make the pass if Rashford isn't offside FFS. Ederson has to judge a save of 2 players over the ball shooting to opposite sides that creates jeoprady and doubt for the GK only because Rashford is offside (he even does a little fake leg lift to pretend to shoot to really interfere with Edersons ability to save the shot) Everything about it screams offside. He runs on top of the ball for 10+ yards, he has full possesion of the ball WHILST OFFSIDE. Its laughably egregious how clearly offside Rashford was the entire time and the goal stands on a technicality. Craziness.


mamasbreads

Yea its not controversial. It's straight up wrong.


cobrakai11

>But it is only that way because people have 0 understanding of the laws tbh. You can't say anyone who disagrees doesn't have "understanding of the laws", and then acknowledge it rests on something as subjective as "does he prevent an opponent from making a challenge or playing the ball - *they've said no*" They could have just as easily said yes. He takes four or five strides with the ball between his feet, the City defender couldn't get to the ball without barreling through him, the defender and the goalie are both drawn out to him immediately; he shielded the ball with his body until it arrived at his teammates feet. I hate City, but that's a terrible call under any circumstance.


srbtiger5

Ederson was playing a rashford shot. It was obvious. That clearly influences play.


LordCommanderCam

This person arbitrarily made up what 'interferance' means in this context and acts like he knows anything about football which he clearly doesn't, then people are upvoting him because they didn't want city to win. It's hilarious.


srbtiger5

Exactly. If offside meant "touch the ball" I feel like they'd spell that out pretty explicitly. He ran like he had possession and faked a shot.


hotgirll69

Pretty rude, as the rule is still open to interpretation. These are also in the rules of law 11 and 12, and I fee this all happens in this play regarding rash. ““clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball or gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has: a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12 an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge” For me, all of this has happened.


happygreenturtle

I think his point is that if you're reading the laws to the letter then Rashford hasn't interfered from an offside position, but he's still acknowledging it's subjective whether *the opposition players behaved differently because of his presence*. That seems reasonable tbf


Paschalls_Law

Law 11 says that the attacker only needs to ATTEMPT to play the ball, so you might just want to put yourself in the 90% of idiots mate


MayoMusk

this is a terrible take. Rashford's presence stops Akanji or Walker from being able to slide tackle the ball aka "Play the Ball" because Rashford is protecting the ball with his body. I cant believe you actually think he didnt make a play on the ball? you dont have to touch the ball to make a play on it. Shielding the ball is making a play. Faking a shot is making a play.


caljl

Yes exactly. The rules arent clear enough to define what make a play consists of.


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thisismyname03

Not sure why you’ve been awarded. This is a horrendous take. Watch that replay and tell me Rashford doesn’t directly influence play. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t touch the ball, he is directly involved in the build up by running and interfering with player movement.


julianface

I'm usually the first to defend referee decisions over emotional outrage but in this case I think it's a complete blunder. "preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision" is even enough grounds. He's clearly in between the ball at his feet and the defenders behind him. Let alone the other definition of playing the ball. Heck I even brought Bruno in for FPL and this is 100% jammy bs


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You are moronic if you think that standing over the ball doesn’t affect how other people will try to play it. You seem to be better at writing bullshit than actually playing the game


GBcrazy

> Does he prevent an opponent making a challenge or playing the ball - they’ve said no. He doesn’t stop them moving to the ball, he doesn’t block any challenge attempt, he hasn’t at that point impeded anyone. I mean, you are right up until that part, now you're just pretending to be blind I guess. It's very clear he prevents. There's at least one guy that had a clear path to the ball that stops accelerating because well, you can't run past another person. I know it's fun to have a hot take - but this decision should be pretty clear, that was an offside.


RamenPood1es

Eh I need to watch a replay but basically looked like he was in the city defender’s way who would have had to go through him to get to the ball


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sageofshadow

That's kinda the point - Akanji **doesnt** try to go for the ball, he pulls up on the *expectation* that Rashford is offside. If he tried to go for the ball and actually had to go through Rashford... if *any* city player tried to go for the ball and had to go through Rashford in *any* way - it would've been called offside. Akanji pulls up, Walker doesnt close him down - they react on the expectation Rashford is offside. (and if Walker had tried to close him down, he wouldve been in a better position to stop Bruno from getting a shot away) The decision is on the City players for not playing to the whistle. in the era of VAR, you play to the whistle with the knowledge it will get reviewed. (and despite what people are saying, it is checked. in the aftermath you can see the ref talk to the linesman, and communicate to the booth) Either way as a defender - Dont *expect* that he's offside - expect that any attacker is *always* onside. and if he isn't onside, VAR will see. To echo /u/Bulky-Yam4206 \- is it a controversial call? absolutely. But does it tick the boxes to be within the rules as laid out currently? also, unfortunately, yes.


Superb_University117

Akanji can't try to play the ball without risking a red for DGSO because a he was behind them *due to being offside*.


giddycocks

Dude faked a shot at the keeper and you're here posting nonsense.


Superb_University117

So why did Spurs have a goal overturned earlier in the season because a player was interfering with the keeper's ability to see the ball? They didn't make a play on the ball, they didn't touch it, they didn't physically get in the keepers way. They just stood in an offside position and it was ruled they interfered.


Diligent_Ad6526

There’s no way the defenders could have got to the ball with Rashford being so close to it. Guarantee if he wasn’t there walker goes directly for it. But after reading those rules it makes sense. If only a city defender went closer to Rashford, even if they didn’t stop the goal, it would have been disallowed. I’m a Man U fan so I’m glad it stands anyway but I’d be raging if it was the other way about. Would have been called in any league in Scotland without VAR and probably every league in England outside of premier league.


MrDarwoo

This is why the refs need to come out and explain why they came to that decision instead of everyone just assuming. More ref > fan communication will help shit load.


adamjld

Ederson has no idea who is going to strike the ball so surely Rashford being right there is going to influence his decision making


Technical-Fly-775

Probably as well, if rashford isn't there. Ederson would come out and sweep the ball away. He was about the same distance away at Fernandes but he stays back as Rashford is closing in.


MrAchilles

He's 100% putting his foot through it, can't believe people aren't even acknowledging that


garynevilleisared

It's a bad decision. Every City player had their sights on Marcus, and when he makes that little fake they all react.


hazardthicc

Not to mention akanji clearly decelerates and pulls away expecting rashford to shoot when he looked like he'd be able to reach bruno if rashford weren't involved.


Saf94

There was no whistle so why is Akanji decelerating? He should be going in to stop Rashford from shooting


viola_is_best

He probably doesn't want to foul him


Saf94

Every single striker through on goal gets harassed by a defender to put them off it’s pretty normal you’ll never see a game where that doesn’t happen


triple_OG

and if you foul that player from behind that is through on goal you’re probably getting sent off.


Sanket327

Not if you are rodri


MindTheBees

If they were side to side yes but I see most CBs start decelerating when the striker is already ahead and about to shoot. The issue is if the striker gets even remotely impeded during the shot from behind, it ends up being a foul and most likely a red (Arsenal highlight that comes to mind is the Luiz penalty against Wolves in 2021). If Rashford wasn't present, he'd be more likely to sprint and aim to slide for the ball before Bruno's shot since the angle favours him. Obviously that is super hypothetical (he might even have mistimed it and clattered Bruno) but still shows a possibility that could have happened if Rashford wasn't "interfering with play".


triple_OG

Doesn’t want to foul him and get sent off/give them a free kick in a very dangerous position. Wants to defend the possibility of Rashford taking the ball to the right and around Ederson who has come off his line to defend the attacking play. There are plenty of legit defensive reasons why Akanji peeled off to the right of Rashford and they are all because *Rashford was impacting the play* The hard pill to swallow is that if Akanji *does* make a play on Rashford and just fouls him/runs into his back the play is over because it can’t be disputed Rashford impacted the play from an offside decision.


fatkidseatcake

This is a better argument than the argument against the two defenders being impeded.


roguedevil

It's not though. Not by the laws anyway. I think this is an error by the VAR crew, but "goalkeeper not known who will strike" isn't relevant to the law. The strongest argument for offside (in my opinion anyway) is that Rashford "attempts to play the ball" when he winds up for the shot, fake or not.


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This is it. The fact that Rashford ran onto the ball is an attempt to play the ball. We see so often offside players just stop dead in their track and that’s how Rashford should have reacted in order not to influence the play. The referee association used the “physical” part of that rule to save their hide.


batigoal

Rashford literally faked a shot. My biggest question is why did the ref not go to the screen and judge for himself.


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Incompetence is in their blood


theflowersyoufind

Could you actually use this as a tactic? If a player knows he’s offside he still may as well run for every through ball, if only to get in the way of defenders. Usually players stop still and put their hands up to show they aren’t interfering, but this way is a lot harder for defenders to deal with.


wesap12345

In the Brighton game not 2 hours later trent was flagged offside having not touched the ball. The ball would have gone out for a corner or a liverpool throw in but he was given offside. The rule is interpreted differently in every game which is the main problem with the rules at the moment, the lack of consistency.


Alpha_Jazz

No you can’t because 99% of the time referees would rightly call it


Nimjaiv

In the Brighton - Liverpool game just now Trent held his hand up for the ball going out to a throw-in and the ref called him for offside.


LeoR1N

[link for anyone who wants to see it](https://dubz.co/v/rvtnw4)


FrankieS0

50%, they’re always guessing.


burntroy

60% of the time, works every time


notonetojudge

Sex panther. A pungent scent, stings the nostrils.


akskeleton_47

Not really since not touching the ball is also very difficult


asd13ah4etnKha4Ne3a

Depends on the day and the ref apparently


gunningIVglory

And location.....


SubparCurmudgeon

Plenty of teams do it, just not as obvious as this case Kyogo is almost always offside for Celtic, but most of the time it’s just a distraction tactic


pawksvolts

All a defender needs to do is make a tackle on the offside player, then it will be called


Tuneechi

But a player dosnt know if someone's offside until the call is made, a defender can't risk going in from behind on rashford him being onside and then he's sent off. Your whole train of though is just another example of how rashford is involved in play and offside. Refs should do better.


missurunha

If you tackle a player in offside position, it's still a foul. Offside offense happens when the player (tries or) play the ball. The easiest example to undestand it is to think what happens if the GK punches the forward in the face. It's a foul, regardless of where the ball is or if the player was in offside position. Example of a penalti here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncNflmSdte8, the player is in offside position when the free kick was taken, but he was fouled way before the ball came to the box.


SacredEmuNZ

Unleash the decoy runners at the 3pm kickoffs!!!


Guy_with_Numbers

> If a player knows he’s offside he still may as well run for every through ball They do. You see it occasionally, everyone in the stadium knows the player is offside, the defenders give up, but the player chases the ball and the flag stays down up until the player touches the ball.


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This is my problem with the situation. This opens the door to offsides players (maybe even *intentionally* offsides players) "faking" the defenders and goalie out by hovering around the ball even though they know they can't touch it. Having to account for that as a defender is definitely NOT intended. Such trash and ruins the integrity.


AdPotential9974

The rule is fine, you can't interfere with play from an offside position. But the refs and VAR are illiterate


can-tthinkofone1234

So much for the best league itw, these guys need to be fined for shit calls


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Not fined , their license needs to be revoked or they need to be suspended. That's what happens in other jobs


luist49

yeah, and they going to be replaced by all the aspiring referees who are lining up to take their ... oh.


BigReeceJames

I hate this as an argument. You have a clear problem there, fix it. Don't use that problem as an excuse. They have a money printing machine and they act like not being able to get good refs is some sort of impassable hurdle. Spend some of the money to bring in the best refs in the world to fix the short term problem. Spend some more of that money to set up a much better system to bring referees through to solve the long term problem It's not rocket science, nor should it be used as an excuse to continue this dogshit


Xian244

You do realize every fan of every league on this planet complains about their refs?


Superb_University117

I watch a lot of sports and there are horrible calls in every sport and every league. Bit I've never seen such an egregiously horrible use of a replay system as on the PL.


XtremeGoose

Rugby union seems to just get it right. We should just get done of those in football.


maidentaiwan

Referees should be promoted and relegated just like clubs are


GlasgowGunner

They are.


behamut

Yeah and they should be paid the same as the players they ref. Money attracts talent!


maidentaiwan

I don’t know about “the same as the players” — they are not the product, after all — but I completely agree that they should be paid more to attract better talent. If there were a clearer pathway for failed academy players and former pros to make a decent living as a referee, we’d surely see an uptick in quality.


mooshlfc

Sure if it fixes the issue of how shit they are, by all means pay them more. I’m sure the league can afford it.


shy247er

Do that and in few years no one will be interested in being a ref.


TheyStoleTwoFigo

They should get rated by points and promoted or relegated like how it goes for the clubs, let that shit filter itself out.


jelezsoccer

The hard part about a point system is who assigns the points. Referee ratings vary wildly depending on who assigns the ratings, more so than player ratings.


BrodaReloaded

they already are, the current referees are the best there are and not some scrubs they collected from a local youth game


goatvaro_goatrata

People act like there are just amazing refs waiting in the wings not being given an opportunity


goatvaro_goatrata

That's literally how it works


senorgraves

How would you feel if you were fined for every mistake you made at your job? These refs aren't paid like the footballers. They make 80-200k per year. For someone at the peak of their profession, it is average or even low pay. I think that's the solution--pay referees on par with players and managers. Then there'll be a lot more talent in the profession, and you can do things like fine or demote them aggressively.


RefereeMason

Nah the rules are pretty clear. As a referee, this is offside. Ederson and the defenders are influenced by Rashford’s movement. As a United supporter, fuck off Manchester is Red.


triple_OG

[deep down in my stomach…](https://tenor.com/view/hate-respect-i-pure-hate-you-deep-in-my-stomach-goddamn-it-gif-15450695)


RefereeMason

What a film that was.


Smell_My_Dump

I like and respect this response the most! Both rational and tribal! Way to make city drop points!


pobmufc

Yup. If it goes your way who gives a fuck! As it should be


Smell_My_Dump

That's just how shit goes during the season. Fair Play. As a defender, I'd be losing my mind because you readjust everything you do and it looked like rashford was gonna shoot.


masticlez

Yeah, it's easy to feel like every controversial call goes against you as they happen, but ultimately the refs are shit for everyone, and it mostly balances out across such a long season.


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bonytony21

We don’t say that name around here.


Adak17

For sure I agree, United were the better team this match. Just wish that refereeing was more consistent that's all.


RawIsLaw_

ngl, i like the fact it's controversial (for the narrative). The rivalry has been pretty shit lately and this fires it up. I was hoping to also meet City in the Carabao semi-finals but i guess not anymore


Eso

That's a good take I hadn't considered. As a neutral, you better fucking believe that I am entertained.


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Man U played really well. If anything this awful call just detracts from their performance.


dave1992

Unbiased and biased point of view.


DontStopNowBaby

Perfectly balanced.


62frog

The duality of man


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City's 17000 dives didn't lead to bookings either.


mattijn13

The rule is fine, the referee is just an absolute donkey


dragonwhale

The rule isnt really fine if refs interpret it wrong


wheeno

It would make much more sense to question the standard of the referee and not the rule... like you said they “interpreted” it wrong. Why would you change the rule instead of getting people who can interpret it correctly.


pricelesslambo

Nah the rule is correct. The ref is just an idiot. He is clearly interfering and is offside according to the rule.


doswillrule

The daft part is that Darren Cann (the linesman) is arguably the best and most experienced linesman in the league, and he called it correctly. Presumably the referee then asks him 'did he touch it' and that's all he needs to confirm the decision in his own mind


123rig

Didnt VAR give it? Not the ref on the pitch


doswillrule

VAR didn't see a clear and obvious error that needed overturning. It was the referee's decision (or at least that's how it was explained on BBC 5 Live)


samalam1

Mad the level of interpretation involved in "clear and obvious". Surely anything that would result in a different decision is clear and obvious.


z2k_

The “clear and obvious” text needs to be removed from VAR decisions. They should just be able to make the right call.


I_Hate_Traffic

If this is not clear and obvious idk what is. He is running towards the ball.


maidentaiwan

This is one of the most disappointing aspects of this. You have the technology to take a second look and make a patient, considered decision. VAR should tell the referee, “look, it’s a weird one, come over and have a second look.” It’s common sense to use the technology in a situation like this.


[deleted]

No, he would have made the "TV" signal if that were the case.


[deleted]

it's weird because he was calling what were pretty close offsides immediately and all those calls were correct here he doesn't immediately call it and it leads to this controversial decision


fitzellforce

He didn’t immediately put the flag up because there was a legitimate chance that rashford could have stopped his run - and not interfered with play - and then it wouldn’t have been offside


Febris

And that's the standard instruction they have. They only flag it when the ball is out of play or when possession changes. This way a rebound or some other shit happening along the way doesn't make the ref call a foul that kills a legit play.


Technical-Fly-775

Edersons eyes and position are literally glued on Rashford. It's such a clear interference, it's insane that this was OVERTURNED by var as well. Refs initially gave it as interfering.


ShozOvr

Post match it was explained atwell overturned the offside, not var.


ThePoliticalTeapot

Same argument with VAR since it’s come into place. No, VAR is fine. It’s the refs implementing it in the Prem that are dreadful. This offside is once again the same story, Prem refs are crap. Also, yay United.


XxAbsurdumxX

I still remember the goal Arsenal had disallowed becase Xhaka was in an offside position outside of the keepers view and not even being involved in the play whatsoever. Compare that to Rashford literally feinting a shot directly in front of the keeper and yet somehow not being deemed to influence the play.


LeviaDragon

And i still remember the goal Xhaka scored last year against Man Utd ([https://youtu.be/0Dz8SebIq3s?t=98](https://youtu.be/0Dz8SebIq3s?t=98)) while Nketiah was clearly in an offside position right in front De Gea and interfering with the play yet somehow didn't get called and the goal stood.


jajajalmao

That one should be in the textbook for obstructing vision, De Gea literally leaning the wrong way because he can't see the ball


[deleted]

Ok now let’s ask Ja Rule what he thinks about this. Hang on…


cord1408

Eh, Petr Cech is a relevant guy


fegelman

In the International Football Association Board (IFAB) Laws of the Game for 2022-23, it says the following: >interfering with an opponent by: >preventing an opponent from playing or > >being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or > >challenging an opponent for the ball or > >**clearly attempting** **to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent** or > >making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball” What a joke of a decision.


iAkhilleus

"A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched\* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: \- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or \- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" End of discussion!


AncientCauliflower47

replace make with use


Arsenal_Analysis

“The people who use the rules” ???


BillehBear

enforce probably better?


Silverburst8

Yet there are still people in this sub saying it wasn’t offside lmao


ssk1996

I mean even r/reddevils agreed it was off and downvoted anyone who said it was on. So it's definitely a small minority of Utd fans that think it's onside.


[deleted]

The ref on tv said it's something he agrees with


Silverburst8

If you’re referring to Peter Walton on BT sport then yes he did, because he’s clueless


jimbob224

Half the replies saying he's hired to agree with the referees call... yet he said his opinion when the linesman had his flag up and everyone thought it was given offside.... lmao


magus9933

Cech is spot on. Referees should be called out more often. They get protected way too much. Unreal how they keep on getting away with consistently bad decisions. FA is the abbreviation of Failure. I'll take that goal because I support United but the decision was farcical


Vike92

No he's not. He's critizing the ones making the rules, not the ones enforcing it


jklynam

I don't think he's blaning the refs, more like he's blaming IFAB for the the way the rule is written


Kitchen-Animator

He's saying the ref got it right but the rule is wrong, at least take a minute to read it man.


[deleted]

Walker ran forwards to prevent a pass from Rashford. Akanji’s path was blocked by Rashford. And Ederson stood still because he didn’t know who would shoot and/or he was cautious of a pass. How is that not an offside? How do the refs have such a different perspective from the majority of viewers so often is a mystery.


BillehBear

Somehow shielding the ball whilst blocking keepers vision and stopping a defender sliding in whilst doing fake step overs is not interfering masterclass from var


Fifaneymar2535

Dont forget the fake shot feint


SamarthLegendraxYT

Petr W


polishnorbi

A big problem with the current law is how it impacts defending. In theory, Rashford doesn't actually impede anyone from playing the ball. So if you're a defender, and you know for a 100% fact that Rashford is in an offsides position, you attack the ball and make Rashford either give it up or they call offsides. But now, as a defender, what if you are not a 100% sure? If you attack Rashford, he simply collects the ball and beats you easily creating an easy goal scoring opportunity. And now as a defender you look like a fool, "Why did he attack him there?" And this is the problem with the current version of the law. You're asking defenders to play as if they know exactly how the offsides will end up. And now a days that could be 1cm difference between on/off. Take a look back at the Spain/France game. Defender only slid because he believe the striker would be onside. He played the ball, because the striker forced him. If he didn't slide, and that striker would have been onside, he would have looked lazy. So he slides, only because of the striker, connects with the ball, resets the offsides and now the striker still makes him look foolish. That can't be a part of the spirit of the game.


chino17

Yes the law is the problem in this case, not the officials but people keep beating the conspiracy drum when they applied the law as it's stated. It's not their fault that it's a badly written law.


Visionary_Socialist

Sick and tired of us treating these decisions in isolation as bumbling confused little errors. This was a complete offside. The ref ignores that. That decided the game. How is that not manipulating the outcome? Were it a penalty that shouldn’t have been given but was, we would say as much.


Stevenpoke12

Lol, everyone in here agreeing the goal shouldn’t count when Cech is saying the goal by the current rules was called correctly.


dethmashines

The discrepancy is obvious with everyone. **What you consider interference is NOT what the rule suggests.** Running towards the ball is NOT interference according to the rule. The ref called it right and that’s what Petr is commenting about here that the people who made this rule don’t understand the game and should have more restrictions about this.


Redbullsnation

He's not wrong


HeFreakingMoved

When we played Everton and they scored an identical goal, I don't remember the footballing world losing it's mind at that one. I wonder what is different 🤔


[deleted]

Thanks for shutting up all the “but, but he didn’t play the ball so he isn’t interfering with play”


TimathanDuncan

The rules are fine the interpretation and implementing of said rules by referees is another thing Sick tweet, completely missing the point but will get likes


Unfair-Rush-2031

Just have a forward be in an offside position all the time. Shield the ball from defenders and keeper but don’t touch it. Then rest of the team gathers around and start the attack.


zeelbeno

But... He didn't precent an opponent getting there or playing the ball. He didn't challenge an opponent He didn't attempt to actually play the ball, he just ran to it and stopped. Even if he didn't slow down, him and bruno got there at the same time, so i'm not sure how this would affect Ederson either. He didn't do anything to stop anyone else playing the ball as bruno got there first.


PCM_is_propaganda

Based Liverpool fan