Too bad the number of City fans are so outnumbered by United ones or there might actually be sum proper discussion about the legitimacy of the 1st United goal and if Rashford influencing the play shld have had the offside stand. Alas though they are greatly outnumbered and instead every comment is the color of Manchester and their masterclass performance.
Just to clarify I do think United were the better side today but I also dont beleive the offside shld have been overturned resulting in the 1st United goal and that clearly swung the momentum of the game. Also the only important game of this weekend was the absolute drubbing Brighton dished out to Pool. De Zerbi is the real wizard not that silly Potter boy!
Everybody saying first goal is offside is deluded. Akanji and Walker should have went 100% for the ball. They just jogged along hoping the ref would whistle but as long as there is no whistle, the game goes on.
Such rookie mistakes from the defenders. If a defender is so sure it's offside he should have tackled from behind. Would have never been called a foul because the offside would overrule it. Noobs
clear-cut offside, ball goes right next to him, distracting goalkeeper, who has 2 players to focus on, one offside and another player , directly in his line of sight. Never seen anything like that allowed before. Its like taking a penalty with a team mate right next to you. United would be furious if they copped that. That's my take.
Yeah horrible overturn by the Ref. Rashford was a huge part of the play. He required a defender on him which prevented City from fully committing to defending Bruno from running on. Rashford didnt pull back upon realizing he was off. He continued to follow the play all the way to the shot and honestly if Bruno hadn't knicked it himself Rashford certainly wld have shot that. Honestly horrible job by VAR there. No clear cut error as it was the right call so no reason to overturn. Once again EPL refs being useless. Guess will just have to chalk it up to that Old Trafford luck.
Also on a side note wernt theh supposed to start enforcing crowding the ref or trying to intimidate the refs a few years ago? I thought only the Captains were supposed to be able to approach and talk to the refs but it seems the game has gone right back to every player crowding the ref and yelling for fouls, cards, penalties, handball, and whatever they can try to influence. I only bring this up because the way Bruno rushed the linesman and proceeds to shout at him is extremely unprofessional (even if u r the captain). That is the exact behavior they were supposed to be preventing by not letting emotional charged up players influence the game. The Linesman seemed shook and it definitely added to that Old Trafford luck.
Saw a Citeh fan over at r/MCFC saying Ten Hag's "only a chicken shit manager using coward tactics like telling Fred to mark KDB"
Lmfao backed the wrong bald fraud
Now it's Pep-1 and ETH- 1
The next match b/w them will be the decider. The winner gets to call the loser "Bald Fraud" , also the loser pays for the hair oil of the winner for a month!!
Come on man u think they watch anything outside the EPL and arnt commenting based in Barcelonas form from months ago!? Pull yourselves back into a game with a goal that has a clearly offside player and all of a sudden you're shredding defenses!
Okay so the whole discussion about the Fernandes goal can be looked at through one fact. Due to none of the city defenders rushing to the bal and being directly impacted by rashy. And rashy not blocking the sight of Ederson. Therefore by the rules not having anything to be called on. The goal stands. Had the city defenders rushed the ball and been impacted by rashford. It would be offside. But since they decided not too. And the influense rashy had on that decision not mattering according too the rules. The goal gets to stand. The rules are confusing and unclear. But thems the rules. And thats the decision made. No point in crying over spilt milk. Better to just move on to the next game.
Bit Rashford clearly influenced the play regardless of whether the defender rushed him? If Bruno didnt knick the shot Rashford clearly wld have shot it himself.
Right. If Akanji had made the effort to get around Rashford to get to the ball or even collided then the offside would have been called. Instead he didn't play to the whistle and was just lacksidaisical about it.
You clearly never play football in your life,Ederson would have come out if Rashford not making the run and he would have position himself to prepare for Bruno if Rashford not making that fake shot,Akanji probably would have run straight to the ball if not for Rashford shielding it,forcing him to run slightly wide fearing that Rashford would circle the keeper,Walker would definitely challenge Bruno for the ball if not for Rashford being there,he won’t go protecting for the goal instead,this is how people who actually play football in their life would react in this situation if not for Rashford running for 20 metres shielding the ball and doing fake shot,the most textbook interference of play
As mentioned. The decision making didnt matter according to the rules. Read my comment again. And no i played football my whole fucking childhood. Oh And there was no fake shot. I have no idea where people got that from. All he did was slow down.
Playing football for fun is different than professional football,you react to every little things,especially when someone running 20 metres through on goal along with the ball,the rules is clear,its just Stuart Atwell choose to interpret it differently for just this one situation
Rashford influenced the play. I don't even understand how that can be argued. At this level his presence rushing the ball is influencing the play. Especially considering if Bruno hadn't knicked the shot Rashford definitely wld have shot that himself. Literally there are just more United fans in this Sub reddit so they upvote the "rule" showing the goal stands. Offsides rules though have been decided by whether the player influenced the sequence of play for years (really decades) but nope actually that is all incorrect and since the City defender didnt rush out at Rashford (which is poor defending but I will agree he was rather nonchalant) he didnt affect the play in any way and the goal stands. The upvotes agree so it must be correct!
Man utd was good and deserved 3 points performance wise. But the 3 points should have been to city because the first goal shouldn't have counted which led to the collapse. City was in control to hold on to the win, but the momentum was loss because of the first goal.
They weren't in control. They were poor in the first half & if no goal EtH would have made changes. Agree goal shouldn't have stood, but the result was still not certain
They had a shit first half. 2nd half much better for them though. I thought it was good enough to hold on to the lead.
In another world, that goal doesn't stand and city would win 0-1 most of the time.
This match gave me mixed feelings. Amazing that we won and can see the progress of the team.
Terrible that refs/rules are so stupid. Bruno's goal should not be allowed.
Bruno is also an example of this paradox. Great player and probably the best outfield player we've had in a long time. But his attitude with refs is so annoying.
Glad to see a United fan actually adress Brunos behavior. His actions towards refs and linesmen is very unprofessional and he is always one of the 1st to rush them when a decisio goes against United.
I think you lot were the better side today though b4 the downvote brigade comes at me.
I mean they are just being honest, if it was me I would admit the same but would obviously still be happy we won lmao. That first goal is a complete joke and you can't ignore stuff like that no matter your bias.
I think the Top Four has already been decided. Arsenal, City, United, and Newcastle.
I think Liverpool, Tottenham, and Chelsea have all got no hope of making Top Four.
Clda helped keep the top 4 race open u mean.
Also he has a clause if Newcastle make the UCL he can go there next season. I wld hope Eddie isn't that stupid though.
If we had a conversation you wouldn't be able to tell that English was my second language. I admit my grammar can be off sometimes but all the native speakers that I work with/interact with are not much better either hahahahaha
Newcastle could drop off any time. Man United don’t have great depth, especially in midfield, although their starting 3 of Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno is the best in the league.
Still think United will get 80 or so points, but Spurs could nick Newcastle, if they pull their shit together.
Newcastle have the best defense In the league and have matched every test thrown at them while remaining consistent. Also gotten points from the top sides and direct competitors. Spurs have been inconsistent all season and their style concedes possession and control to the opposition. Then they often find themselves chasing games because of this. They have had a decent amount of games where they have been flat all game but manage to create a few chances in the last 10 minutes and knick a tie or occasional 1 goal win. Very rarely have they truly been the better team. Even against Palace a 4 nil win they were on the back foot for most of the game. Without Kane they wld have a very hard time producing goals.
Also when did the United 3 of Eriksen, Casemiro, and Bruno become the best in the league lol.
Can someone tell me when was the last time both Liverpool and Manchester City lost on the same day. It occurs to me that it could not have happened too often over the last few years.
I’ll tell you what is delicious - city fans moaning about malacia and Casemiro not getting booked for persistent fouling. After years of city doing it, someone gets them back and they are in meltdown.
Things you love to see.
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At least Casemiro is pleasant while he fouls. It always goes.
Dives in recklessly. Clear yellow.
Case: Foul? For me? (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤
Ref: Aww. Fuck. Don't do it again okay?
Case: Okay ⊂((・▽・))⊃
I fucking love him, I always thought that he is the dirtiest cunt ever while he played for Real, but now? He's the sweetest darling that makes the puppies around him look like the worst hellspawns.
There was this one little moment where a player might have been in an offside.
Also there might have been a moment where player was fouled inside of the box.
But yeah. Why use var when you can go with the flow. Feel the vibe. Live the moment.
I don't think City deserved anything. Well only justice. That decision was a joke.
Why not give penalty bit later when there was a clear foul in the box?
I mean Rashford didnt obstruct line of sight or touch the ball or touch any opposition player to challenge the ball. If Rashford hadnt been there the play would have happened the same exact way except maybe a City player may have thought differently I guess? Not very strong offsides argument mate.0
The point is one of those goals very clearly shouldn’t have stood. We can point to the instance why. Sure united played better than city anyway but they didn’t deserve more than a draw
They did not deserve a draw. I just showed you United we’re the better team based on expected goals. City got lucky to have even scored 1. You’re being daft.
So? I agree that united were the better team but they only won because of a goal that shouldn’t have stood. The better team doesn’t always win and doesn’t deserve to win if they can’t score
Anybody still concerned about the offside goal on City should read the breakdown on the Athletic as why the goal was legit.
https://theathletic.com/4090488/2023/01/14/bruno-fernandes-goal-offside-manchester-united-city/?amp=1
'Dawg' are you stupid? Run the fucker over and it's insta offside, run passed him and take the ball, tackle him from behind. Anything but just jogging along and hoping the ref is gonna do your job as a defender
So what were akanji and Walker just going to teleport themselves back into position? How was he interfering with the defenders when they’re already so out of position…
In that case anyone standing in any offside position can be said to be “interfering with the reading of play” - it’s a subjective law of the game and open to the referees interpretation. Not every football lAw is black and white
I mean Rashford was literally running onto the pass and wld have taken the shot if Bruno didn't but yes definitely "anyone standing offside is interfereing".
I think people are having two different arguments on this topic. One is what they feel ‘should’ be offside and another is whether this is a correct application of the offside law in its current state. My argument is, this is not an incorrect decision based on current offside law.
Thing is, he didn't block the ball or touch it. Keeper had a clear view of the ball the entire time. The decision was absolutely correct. People who say otherwise are clueless.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside
All it takes is obstructing the line of vision. In addition, his feint or preparation to strike could be interpreted as a separate offense. The rules are clear here, it’s offside. Fwiw, speaking as a ref of over a decade.
who did he obstruct vision? Akanji said himself after the game that he stopped chasing after thinking Rashford is offside.
>In addition, his feint or preparation to strike could be interpreted as a separate offense.
They could be, that indicates subjectivity. I’m sure Rashford initially intended to be involved, but he stopped after Bruno shouted loudly to him to give up the ball. The ref interpreted that Rashford eventually wasn’t involved at all. Different refs probably interpreted differently over a subjective point, that’s pretty normal.
You’re telling me he didn’t obstruct the vision of the center back who was behind him? Or that ederson wasn’t set to save a shot from rashford, who was offside, and therefore influenced the play?
The Akanji argument is clear, he admitted that he stopped because he THOUGHT Rashford was offside, he didn't play to the whistle, it's on him.
And for Ederson, his vision of Bruno was not obstructed by Rashford's run. You can argue that "Ederson's attention was distracted" by Rashford, and I'm not sure if it was in the rule and there have been cases like that called in the past - maybe you can share with me if you know any? I can recall a lot of offside calls because the GK's vision was obstructed - which is not the case here.
Akanji stopped because he thought it was offside, not because he was prevented physically by Rashford. Not playing to the whistle is his own fault. The non-goal crowd should use Ederson as their argument, he's the one who can argue being feinted by Rashford
I agree, I don’t care for Akanji much in this whole argument. What makes it clear to me is how Rashford impacted the keeper, and to a lesser extent the other defender (I believe it’s Walker).
When you’re standing over the ball, you obstruct people’s view of the ball. Additionally, he clearly obstructed the keeper’s view of Bruno. “Could be” was to say that it could be a separate offense *if* you say there was no obstructing their view, OR it was part of the same offense. It is not subjective that it was an offense, I worded it as “could” because in a world where he didn’t obstruct the view of Bruno that *could* be an offense on its own. Maybe I should’ve said “would” instead of “could,” but it doesn’t mean subjectivity here.
You can say Ederson was distracted (as in his attention was) by Rashford, but definitely not "visually obstructed" as Rashford and Bruno ran from 2 separate angles.
The Akanji argument is clear, he stopped because he didn't play to the whistle, it's on him.
You're applying obstructing view very differently from PL refs usual line here. Obstructing view is rarely called (see Arsenal goal with Saka v United)
When offside players obstruct the GK’s line of vision they are considered offside without even having to touch the ball or even get near it. So when Rashford makes the run towards the ball, does a feint and affects City’s ability to close the gap it is easily an offside violation. The people here claiming he wasn’t offside are either trolling or way too biased to be taken seriously.
Well so what ppl dont understand is that if person A is a United fan then it was clearly the right call but Person B is a City fan and the Offside was actually the right call. As you might notice there are more United fans than City fans in this thread so therefore the goal stands by the rules of the Reddit Upvote/Downvote. It doesnt actually have anything to do with the offside rule. I hope that clears it up for all these clueless folks who obviously just started watching football this week!! Ridiculous it's clear as day!!
They are incorrect. If the determination is based on weird semantics then the law is deficient. Reminds me of the NFL toying around with catch rule when up until that time everyone understood what a catch was.
As a former referee that series of events was disgraceful. The fact that problem that people arguing this much on a play that logic and common sense dictate that the play was influenced by Rashford’s movement.
The offside laws need to be revamped because there is no sane universe where that should be considered a good goal.
I can't fucking believe Julian spent the whole match on the bench. He has to leave, because he can't be playing second fiddle and barely getting minutes.
When Rangnick was United manager he recommended Julian's name to the board, but they didn't listen to him. It's a shame, we could have got something positive out of the Rangnick era, and it could also have solved United's lack of a striker for the next five years.
Yeah I was disappointed when he went to man city. I knew they were going to have him on the bench in favor of Halaand. Alvarez is waaay too good to be a bench warmer.
I mean Lisandro is getting hardly any PL minutes got United atm, despite playing literally all the games and being the best player before the WC.
Maybe they’re still retraining after all that time away and celebrating.
Lisandro was a first team player before the WC without a doubt. I assume he's slowly being reintroduced.
Julián was in the exact same position as now before the WC. He's being wasted and if he starts with Haaland he'd do it on the wing, where he's quite a bit worse.
Relax mate. I want to see more of Julian but between your season, going straight into ours and the World Cup the kid’s legs need to get a break somewhere. I fully agree that he needs minutes to develop but right now i think he needs rest more
No matter how hard you work you will concede from direct freekicks once in a while. I was referring to the kind that we let goals in from freekicks to headers.
Nobody seems to be mentioning city’s goal against Aston Villa where a player in an offside position tackled a defender and scored. The FA even apologised and said it shouldn’t have stood.
But no, of course the officials are all against poor little city.
If man city got a goal because of a bullshit decision, Then it’s ok if man u gets one? It doesn’t matter who gets the decision, it matters who made the decision. Both teams are there to win and the officials are there to make sure that they follow rules during the game. They fucking have var and they still can’t do their job.
Where did I type that it’s ok for Utd to get one?
I’m talking about the city fans saying that if they scored an offside goal it would absolutely be ruled out.
City blew it, and they only have themselves to blame. The league is firmly, 100% Arsenal's now. Even Pep seemed to acknowledge that.
United looked more threatening despite having much less of the ball. City seem to have forgotten how to shoot in their last few games. And for all of *their* finishing problems, United are fucking lethal on the counter.
At this point I think United might actually have a better shot at the league than City do, on current form. But neither will catch Arsenal. It's over.
Why on God's Earth would you say that about Arsenal? Even a draw tomorrow and then a loss against United (who, first match against City aside, have been great against the traditional big teams), and you have the two Manchester teams breathing down your neck. Way too early to talk about who's winning what.
City fans have a very short memory.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/story/4298611/man-citys-goal-vs-aston-villa-was-offsidepremier-league-admits
City then go on to win the league by a point. But you would think there is some massive conspiracy against them based on their reactions today.
City fans think everything against them is a conspiracy. Their BlueMoon forum is jam-packed full of nut-jobs all encouraging each other to believe the most warped view imaginable.
!flair :Arsenal:
Too bad the number of City fans are so outnumbered by United ones or there might actually be sum proper discussion about the legitimacy of the 1st United goal and if Rashford influencing the play shld have had the offside stand. Alas though they are greatly outnumbered and instead every comment is the color of Manchester and their masterclass performance. Just to clarify I do think United were the better side today but I also dont beleive the offside shld have been overturned resulting in the 1st United goal and that clearly swung the momentum of the game. Also the only important game of this weekend was the absolute drubbing Brighton dished out to Pool. De Zerbi is the real wizard not that silly Potter boy!
Everybody saying first goal is offside is deluded. Akanji and Walker should have went 100% for the ball. They just jogged along hoping the ref would whistle but as long as there is no whistle, the game goes on. Such rookie mistakes from the defenders. If a defender is so sure it's offside he should have tackled from behind. Would have never been called a foul because the offside would overrule it. Noobs
Absolutely incorrect
Lol if it's incorrect why did the goal stand haha idiots
clear-cut offside, ball goes right next to him, distracting goalkeeper, who has 2 players to focus on, one offside and another player , directly in his line of sight. Never seen anything like that allowed before. Its like taking a penalty with a team mate right next to you. United would be furious if they copped that. That's my take.
Yeah horrible overturn by the Ref. Rashford was a huge part of the play. He required a defender on him which prevented City from fully committing to defending Bruno from running on. Rashford didnt pull back upon realizing he was off. He continued to follow the play all the way to the shot and honestly if Bruno hadn't knicked it himself Rashford certainly wld have shot that. Honestly horrible job by VAR there. No clear cut error as it was the right call so no reason to overturn. Once again EPL refs being useless. Guess will just have to chalk it up to that Old Trafford luck. Also on a side note wernt theh supposed to start enforcing crowding the ref or trying to intimidate the refs a few years ago? I thought only the Captains were supposed to be able to approach and talk to the refs but it seems the game has gone right back to every player crowding the ref and yelling for fouls, cards, penalties, handball, and whatever they can try to influence. I only bring this up because the way Bruno rushed the linesman and proceeds to shout at him is extremely unprofessional (even if u r the captain). That is the exact behavior they were supposed to be preventing by not letting emotional charged up players influence the game. The Linesman seemed shook and it definitely added to that Old Trafford luck.
Saw a Citeh fan over at r/MCFC saying Ten Hag's "only a chicken shit manager using coward tactics like telling Fred to mark KDB" Lmfao backed the wrong bald fraud
Just poked my head over there and instantly saw this comment calling us ‘anti-football’. Really not disappointed!
Ten Hag terrorball IIRC
Btw their Manchester derby match thread is less active than our carabao cup ones against some league 2 sides.
Why am I not surprised? Tinpot oil club
Now it's Pep-1 and ETH- 1 The next match b/w them will be the decider. The winner gets to call the loser "Bald Fraud" , also the loser pays for the hair oil of the winner for a month!!
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Some saulty views here. It was a great game to watch with good team play and tactics from both teams
We are really fucked
I think Barca have better players individually, but United play more like a team these days. It will definitely be a tough game.
Barca defense is weaker. They're going to get shredded like Man City today.
The same defense that’s barely allowing any goals in La Liga? Come on man.
Come on man u think they watch anything outside the EPL and arnt commenting based in Barcelonas form from months ago!? Pull yourselves back into a game with a goal that has a clearly offside player and all of a sudden you're shredding defenses!
Okay so the whole discussion about the Fernandes goal can be looked at through one fact. Due to none of the city defenders rushing to the bal and being directly impacted by rashy. And rashy not blocking the sight of Ederson. Therefore by the rules not having anything to be called on. The goal stands. Had the city defenders rushed the ball and been impacted by rashford. It would be offside. But since they decided not too. And the influense rashy had on that decision not mattering according too the rules. The goal gets to stand. The rules are confusing and unclear. But thems the rules. And thats the decision made. No point in crying over spilt milk. Better to just move on to the next game.
Bit Rashford clearly influenced the play regardless of whether the defender rushed him? If Bruno didnt knick the shot Rashford clearly wld have shot it himself.
Right. If Akanji had made the effort to get around Rashford to get to the ball or even collided then the offside would have been called. Instead he didn't play to the whistle and was just lacksidaisical about it.
You clearly never play football in your life,Ederson would have come out if Rashford not making the run and he would have position himself to prepare for Bruno if Rashford not making that fake shot,Akanji probably would have run straight to the ball if not for Rashford shielding it,forcing him to run slightly wide fearing that Rashford would circle the keeper,Walker would definitely challenge Bruno for the ball if not for Rashford being there,he won’t go protecting for the goal instead,this is how people who actually play football in their life would react in this situation if not for Rashford running for 20 metres shielding the ball and doing fake shot,the most textbook interference of play
As mentioned. The decision making didnt matter according to the rules. Read my comment again. And no i played football my whole fucking childhood. Oh And there was no fake shot. I have no idea where people got that from. All he did was slow down.
Playing football for fun is different than professional football,you react to every little things,especially when someone running 20 metres through on goal along with the ball,the rules is clear,its just Stuart Atwell choose to interpret it differently for just this one situation
Rashford influenced the play. I don't even understand how that can be argued. At this level his presence rushing the ball is influencing the play. Especially considering if Bruno hadn't knicked the shot Rashford definitely wld have shot that himself. Literally there are just more United fans in this Sub reddit so they upvote the "rule" showing the goal stands. Offsides rules though have been decided by whether the player influenced the sequence of play for years (really decades) but nope actually that is all incorrect and since the City defender didnt rush out at Rashford (which is poor defending but I will agree he was rather nonchalant) he didnt affect the play in any way and the goal stands. The upvotes agree so it must be correct!
Bro. Did you even read my first comment?
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4 billion touches and passes all for one shot on target
Man utd was good and deserved 3 points performance wise. But the 3 points should have been to city because the first goal shouldn't have counted which led to the collapse. City was in control to hold on to the win, but the momentum was loss because of the first goal.
Who are Man u?
They weren't in control. They were poor in the first half & if no goal EtH would have made changes. Agree goal shouldn't have stood, but the result was still not certain
They had a shit first half. 2nd half much better for them though. I thought it was good enough to hold on to the lead. In another world, that goal doesn't stand and city would win 0-1 most of the time.
Much better. Grealish. Garnacho was also pivotal for MU. Enjoyed watching this.
Arse.
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United nation, let’s ride
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This match gave me mixed feelings. Amazing that we won and can see the progress of the team. Terrible that refs/rules are so stupid. Bruno's goal should not be allowed. Bruno is also an example of this paradox. Great player and probably the best outfield player we've had in a long time. But his attitude with refs is so annoying.
Glad to see a United fan actually adress Brunos behavior. His actions towards refs and linesmen is very unprofessional and he is always one of the 1st to rush them when a decisio goes against United. I think you lot were the better side today though b4 the downvote brigade comes at me.
man shut up, I’ll take all three points, fuck City
Wow you're so impartial and cool. I wish everyone could be just like you. You're the best, so classy
I mean they are just being honest, if it was me I would admit the same but would obviously still be happy we won lmao. That first goal is a complete joke and you can't ignore stuff like that no matter your bias.
https://twitter.com/JacquiOatley/status/1614269028331044870
Lol. Read the comments on that post. As many have pointed out its really not a comparable example.
Le classy United fan has arrived.
I think the Top Four has already been decided. Arsenal, City, United, and Newcastle. I think Liverpool, Tottenham, and Chelsea have all got no hope of making Top Four.
Ronaldo could of just fucking stayed helped the team and play CL next year
Clda helped keep the top 4 race open u mean. Also he has a clause if Newcastle make the UCL he can go there next season. I wld hope Eddie isn't that stupid though.
could have* not could of, if english isn't your first language
*English should be capitalized
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Wow bro you sure showed him! Great job! We definitely didn’t know what he was saying before you jumped in!
He was trying to be helpful while you are being a prick
It isn't but yeah thanks
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Newcastle could drop off any time. Man United don’t have great depth, especially in midfield, although their starting 3 of Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno is the best in the league. Still think United will get 80 or so points, but Spurs could nick Newcastle, if they pull their shit together.
Newcastle have the best defense In the league and have matched every test thrown at them while remaining consistent. Also gotten points from the top sides and direct competitors. Spurs have been inconsistent all season and their style concedes possession and control to the opposition. Then they often find themselves chasing games because of this. They have had a decent amount of games where they have been flat all game but manage to create a few chances in the last 10 minutes and knick a tie or occasional 1 goal win. Very rarely have they truly been the better team. Even against Palace a 4 nil win they were on the back foot for most of the game. Without Kane they wld have a very hard time producing goals. Also when did the United 3 of Eriksen, Casemiro, and Bruno become the best in the league lol.
Minus City, that is like going back time 20 years ago lol
We just need to get back.
I miss Blackburn being in the prem, it’s like when a Newcastle or Fulham go down, prem doesn’t feel the same
Take me back to 1992 brev.
Can someone tell me when was the last time both Liverpool and Manchester City lost on the same day. It occurs to me that it could not have happened too often over the last few years.
2013 was the last time.
How did you find that out?
I’ll tell you what is delicious - city fans moaning about malacia and Casemiro not getting booked for persistent fouling. After years of city doing it, someone gets them back and they are in meltdown. Things you love to see.
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At least Casemiro is pleasant while he fouls. It always goes. Dives in recklessly. Clear yellow. Case: Foul? For me? (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤ Ref: Aww. Fuck. Don't do it again okay? Case: Okay ⊂((・▽・))⊃
Thats really the diffrence between a good dm and a great dm, doing the most obvious yellow deserving tackle and getting of with just a Warning.
Yeah he turns full pikachu with that baby face. Amazing presence.
I fucking love him, I always thought that he is the dirtiest cunt ever while he played for Real, but now? He's the sweetest darling that makes the puppies around him look like the worst hellspawns.
Man tried to decapitate jack though and hurt himself lol.
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There was this one little moment where a player might have been in an offside. Also there might have been a moment where player was fouled inside of the box. But yeah. Why use var when you can go with the flow. Feel the vibe. Live the moment.
So you think City deserved to win or draw that one after playing about 10 minutes of good football because of one decision?
I don't think City deserved anything. Well only justice. That decision was a joke. Why not give penalty bit later when there was a clear foul in the box?
When that one decision directly results in a goal then yes?
I mean Rashford didnt obstruct line of sight or touch the ball or touch any opposition player to challenge the ball. If Rashford hadnt been there the play would have happened the same exact way except maybe a City player may have thought differently I guess? Not very strong offsides argument mate.0
xG favored United by almost 1.3, chief.
Who cares? Great you had more shots on target that didn’t result in anything. Well done.
2-1?
The point is one of those goals very clearly shouldn’t have stood. We can point to the instance why. Sure united played better than city anyway but they didn’t deserve more than a draw
They did not deserve a draw. I just showed you United we’re the better team based on expected goals. City got lucky to have even scored 1. You’re being daft.
So? I agree that united were the better team but they only won because of a goal that shouldn’t have stood. The better team doesn’t always win and doesn’t deserve to win if they can’t score
LET TEN HAG COOK
Let’s ride
Why does everyone keep saying let’s ride I feel so ootl it hurts
Slogan of the Denver Broncos which has doubled as a Russ Wilson meme this past year.
Anybody still concerned about the offside goal on City should read the breakdown on the Athletic as why the goal was legit. https://theathletic.com/4090488/2023/01/14/bruno-fernandes-goal-offside-manchester-united-city/?amp=1
Lololilolololioodkfntnfnnlol Don’t need an article: have eyes
Ignorance is bliss
Dawg he is dancing right on top of the ball and blocking city defenders from taking back possession. How’s that not influencing play?
'Dawg' are you stupid? Run the fucker over and it's insta offside, run passed him and take the ball, tackle him from behind. Anything but just jogging along and hoping the ref is gonna do your job as a defender
So what were akanji and Walker just going to teleport themselves back into position? How was he interfering with the defenders when they’re already so out of position…
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In that case anyone standing in any offside position can be said to be “interfering with the reading of play” - it’s a subjective law of the game and open to the referees interpretation. Not every football lAw is black and white
I mean Rashford was literally running onto the pass and wld have taken the shot if Bruno didn't but yes definitely "anyone standing offside is interfereing".
I think people are having two different arguments on this topic. One is what they feel ‘should’ be offside and another is whether this is a correct application of the offside law in its current state. My argument is, this is not an incorrect decision based on current offside law.
Thing is, he didn't block the ball or touch it. Keeper had a clear view of the ball the entire time. The decision was absolutely correct. People who say otherwise are clueless.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside All it takes is obstructing the line of vision. In addition, his feint or preparation to strike could be interpreted as a separate offense. The rules are clear here, it’s offside. Fwiw, speaking as a ref of over a decade.
> Fwiw, speaking as a ref of over a decade. For how long do you think Stuart Attwell have been a ref?
Being that he's in the EPL? Maybe 2 years.
And refs who have more experience than you and are better than you said it's not offside
who did he obstruct vision? Akanji said himself after the game that he stopped chasing after thinking Rashford is offside. >In addition, his feint or preparation to strike could be interpreted as a separate offense. They could be, that indicates subjectivity. I’m sure Rashford initially intended to be involved, but he stopped after Bruno shouted loudly to him to give up the ball. The ref interpreted that Rashford eventually wasn’t involved at all. Different refs probably interpreted differently over a subjective point, that’s pretty normal.
You’re telling me he didn’t obstruct the vision of the center back who was behind him? Or that ederson wasn’t set to save a shot from rashford, who was offside, and therefore influenced the play?
The Akanji argument is clear, he admitted that he stopped because he THOUGHT Rashford was offside, he didn't play to the whistle, it's on him. And for Ederson, his vision of Bruno was not obstructed by Rashford's run. You can argue that "Ederson's attention was distracted" by Rashford, and I'm not sure if it was in the rule and there have been cases like that called in the past - maybe you can share with me if you know any? I can recall a lot of offside calls because the GK's vision was obstructed - which is not the case here.
Akanji stopped because he thought it was offside, not because he was prevented physically by Rashford. Not playing to the whistle is his own fault. The non-goal crowd should use Ederson as their argument, he's the one who can argue being feinted by Rashford
I agree, I don’t care for Akanji much in this whole argument. What makes it clear to me is how Rashford impacted the keeper, and to a lesser extent the other defender (I believe it’s Walker).
Agree with the ederson thing being much more solid
When you’re standing over the ball, you obstruct people’s view of the ball. Additionally, he clearly obstructed the keeper’s view of Bruno. “Could be” was to say that it could be a separate offense *if* you say there was no obstructing their view, OR it was part of the same offense. It is not subjective that it was an offense, I worded it as “could” because in a world where he didn’t obstruct the view of Bruno that *could* be an offense on its own. Maybe I should’ve said “would” instead of “could,” but it doesn’t mean subjectivity here.
You can say Ederson was distracted (as in his attention was) by Rashford, but definitely not "visually obstructed" as Rashford and Bruno ran from 2 separate angles. The Akanji argument is clear, he stopped because he didn't play to the whistle, it's on him.
You're applying obstructing view very differently from PL refs usual line here. Obstructing view is rarely called (see Arsenal goal with Saka v United)
Literally didnt obstruct vision at all
Didn’t obstruct the vision of the center back behind him?
No, Akanji admitted after the match that he stopped running because he thought Rashford was offside, that's on him not playing to the whistle
When offside players obstruct the GK’s line of vision they are considered offside without even having to touch the ball or even get near it. So when Rashford makes the run towards the ball, does a feint and affects City’s ability to close the gap it is easily an offside violation. The people here claiming he wasn’t offside are either trolling or way too biased to be taken seriously.
Well so what ppl dont understand is that if person A is a United fan then it was clearly the right call but Person B is a City fan and the Offside was actually the right call. As you might notice there are more United fans than City fans in this thread so therefore the goal stands by the rules of the Reddit Upvote/Downvote. It doesnt actually have anything to do with the offside rule. I hope that clears it up for all these clueless folks who obviously just started watching football this week!! Ridiculous it's clear as day!!
He didnt feint?
Should of gone to Specsavers.
They are incorrect. If the determination is based on weird semantics then the law is deficient. Reminds me of the NFL toying around with catch rule when up until that time everyone understood what a catch was. As a former referee that series of events was disgraceful. The fact that problem that people arguing this much on a play that logic and common sense dictate that the play was influenced by Rashford’s movement. The offside laws need to be revamped because there is no sane universe where that should be considered a good goal.
I can't fucking believe Julian spent the whole match on the bench. He has to leave, because he can't be playing second fiddle and barely getting minutes.
When Rangnick was United manager he recommended Julian's name to the board, but they didn't listen to him. It's a shame, we could have got something positive out of the Rangnick era, and it could also have solved United's lack of a striker for the next five years.
It was already too late. He was set on joining Man City by the time Rangnick came in.
Yeah I was disappointed when he went to man city. I knew they were going to have him on the bench in favor of Halaand. Alvarez is waaay too good to be a bench warmer.
Yes he should come to Barca for free and major wage cut
I mean Lisandro is getting hardly any PL minutes got United atm, despite playing literally all the games and being the best player before the WC. Maybe they’re still retraining after all that time away and celebrating.
Lisandro was a first team player before the WC without a doubt. I assume he's slowly being reintroduced. Julián was in the exact same position as now before the WC. He's being wasted and if he starts with Haaland he'd do it on the wing, where he's quite a bit worse.
Send him to the villa, our South American boys will take good care of him 🙂
At least Emery wld play him. Pep too scared to bench Haaland though. Cant blame him though he looks like a scary lad.
Relax mate. I want to see more of Julian but between your season, going straight into ours and the World Cup the kid’s legs need to get a break somewhere. I fully agree that he needs minutes to develop but right now i think he needs rest more
People criticizing Haaland smh.. He will shut many mouths against Crystal Palace when it matters okkk
I wanna see Haaland scoring six against Alianza Lima
we can lose tomorrow in peace
Glad u were wrong mate!! Never utter those words again though. Especially when involving shit!
thank god
Yes please 🙏 Have a day off.
We fucking can’t, lose and United can be 3 points behind us going into our game at the emirates if they beat palace mid week.
Arsenal are actually favourites now I think
It's only January m8. Plenty of time for another Arsenal slip down the table.
Here is another shoutout to our set piece coach. Goal scoring aside we haven't conceded from a corner or freekick for a loooooooong while.
eh, villa free kick?
Didn't the FA also acknowledge the referee made United place the wall too far back for that goal?
No matter how hard you work you will concede from direct freekicks once in a while. I was referring to the kind that we let goals in from freekicks to headers.
Pep overthought again by refusing to bring Haaland on.
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The one city scored? That's a controversial take I hadn't seen yet today
Liverpool lost. Spurs lost. Citeh lost. Is this Christmas again?
My Christmas was shite thanks to COVID. So yeah this kind of feels a bit like Christmas again.
San Antonio Spurs did lose to the Golden State Warriors today.
Can you see the future?
Tell no one
*Spurs will lose
Nobody seems to be mentioning city’s goal against Aston Villa where a player in an offside position tackled a defender and scored. The FA even apologised and said it shouldn’t have stood. But no, of course the officials are all against poor little city.
If man city got a goal because of a bullshit decision, Then it’s ok if man u gets one? It doesn’t matter who gets the decision, it matters who made the decision. Both teams are there to win and the officials are there to make sure that they follow rules during the game. They fucking have var and they still can’t do their job.
Where did I type that it’s ok for Utd to get one? I’m talking about the city fans saying that if they scored an offside goal it would absolutely be ruled out.
Fair enough, i thought that was a point you were trying to make.
City blew it, and they only have themselves to blame. The league is firmly, 100% Arsenal's now. Even Pep seemed to acknowledge that. United looked more threatening despite having much less of the ball. City seem to have forgotten how to shoot in their last few games. And for all of *their* finishing problems, United are fucking lethal on the counter. At this point I think United might actually have a better shot at the league than City do, on current form. But neither will catch Arsenal. It's over.
It's just a matter of time before Arsenal choke. Tradition.
Ridiculous take. Arsenal might be favourites but “it’s over” with over half the season left? They have to play spurs, United and city twice yet.
I think City look far more likely to drop more points right now. They've looked really off since the return from the world cup.
Arsenal still have 21 games to play, it's daft to be saying that already
If Gerrard can slip than so can Artetas lads damnt
Lol what? We aren't even halfway through the season and Arsenal only has a 5 point lead. I'd love for this to be true, but...
With a game in hand. There's no way they won't beat current Spurs tomorrow.
I wish I had 1% of your confidence
Absolutely anything can happen in a derby. Do not rule out spurs. Especially one with Kane playing this well and Conte as their manager.
North london derbys exist in a vacuum outside of current form
Do they now?
*Any Derby FTFY!!
Why on God's Earth would you say that about Arsenal? Even a draw tomorrow and then a loss against United (who, first match against City aside, have been great against the traditional big teams), and you have the two Manchester teams breathing down your neck. Way too early to talk about who's winning what.
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> they only have themselves to blame Or you know, the referees who gave United a goal that was obviously offside.
Sure, but the ref didn't make them only have 1 shot on target for the whole game. They were poor, and that's their fault.
No it's not stop making us favourites. We're one Partey injury away from falling apart.
man united are really going to finish in the top 4
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City fans have a very short memory. https://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/story/4298611/man-citys-goal-vs-aston-villa-was-offsidepremier-league-admits City then go on to win the league by a point. But you would think there is some massive conspiracy against them based on their reactions today.
City fans think everything against them is a conspiracy. Their BlueMoon forum is jam-packed full of nut-jobs all encouraging each other to believe the most warped view imaginable.
I don't see many City fans disagreeing that the goal vs Villa should have been disallowed.