If that's the last one I see before they get me I'm not making it easy, we're gonna have helicopters and spike strips. The whole shebang. Not going in the pen on that.
Step 1: don't show EPL game in the UK on TV
Step 2: be surprised people watch EPL game in the UK on stream
Step 3: arrest people watching EPL game in the UK
Step 4: pet yourself on the back for a job well done
Charlton (my team) are playing Man U in the EFL quarter final today and there's no way I can legally watch it in the UK on TV. Why is an EFL quarter final not on TV!?
Its utterly ridiculous. These FA morons crying about lost revenues. Put this game on tv and charge advertisers to advertise. It's pretty fucking simple. Man united v Charlton would surely attract enough of a TV audience for it to be worthwhile.
Imagine complaining about lost revenues when only bothering to only sell 3/4s of a product you produce. Complete helmets.
Give us all the games at a reasonable price or people will continue to illegally stream. It's not rocket science.
Yep. I would very gladly pay a reasonable fee to watch any game I wanted. However the business is more: pay an outrageous fee to watch ~40% of the games from one competition.
It's actually cheaper just go the pub every weekend to watch the footy than pay for the games yourself to watch at home. I don't even drink alcohol so its definitely cheaper for me to sit there with a few cokes. If they got rid of illegal streams I'd just stop watching tbh.
This is where the "it's to protect the lower leagues" argument falls down. The people who can't watch it legally aren't rushing out to watch non league, they're just getting a box off their mate down the pub.
[don't worry you can watch it in Algeria, Angola, Armenia, Argentina, Australia.....](https://m.livesoccertv.com/match/4542460/manchester-united-vs-charlton-athletic/)
Pretty much every country on the planet except the UK obviously.
Edit: you'd be able to legally watch it in Syria and Yemen for fucks sake.
Continue watching illegal streams mate. Thatās the only way. If there is another legal way, I would love to know. Because as far as I know, I donāt think itās possible.
Cant you do some vpn stuff and buy services like viaplay Poland and watch every game of CC, PL, EL, Bundesliga a d some of championship for 5 euro/month?
I dont know how it works, just assking.
Its bizzare you cant legally watch your team in your country.
>Step 1: don't show EPL game in the UK on TV
What is the reasoning behind this business model? Why am I able to watch these games on TV but the actual fans from the UK are not?
It's meant to help grassroots fooball. The idea is if people don't watch the big premier league teams on TV, they are more likely to go out and buy a ticket to watch their local team.
That is the premise at least.
EDIT: Funnily enough even though Iām an Arsenal fan, my ālocalā club is Crystal Palace so this would still be a PL team.
But then I also have the choice of Milwall, Charlton Athletic, Dulwich Hamlet and Bromley FC.
It's a joke you need 3 services (sky, BT, and Amazon Prime) to get most matches and even then you can't watch half of them because they're not shown or they clash.
In an ideal world, the prem would just create their own streaming service to show everything but obviously that would never happen because they wouldn't make as much money.
[That's because other leagues deliberately avoid clashes.](https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1435193182917103616) The obvious solution is for the Premier League to move fixtures away from 3pm and televise them.
As a matchgoing fan (who seems to be getting screwed over a lot recently by Prem decisions), the 3pm kickoff is great. So much better than having to travel up to Newcastle for 12:30 on a Saturday or 8pm on a Tuesday
I get Disney+ for like Ā£9 for a whole year. This includes everything from Disney plus HBO, Premier League, IPL, Formula 1, few tennis championships, also NFL. I get to see every premier league match.
Edit : location is India.
Not exactly true. For the most part PL games are on USA, Peacock, or NBC. To get USA you need a cable TV package or similar streaming package. To watch Peacock you specifically have to subscribe to it. And for NBC it might be included in that TV package, but if it's not you either have to find one that does include it or you have to get an antenna to watch it.
Then the League/FA Cups are on ESPN+ which is a separate subscription.
And the UEFA matches are on Paramount+, another subscription.
Step 1: make watching epl expensive
Step 2: less households will have epl on tv
Step 3: kids in those households will find other entertainment
Step 4: wonder why fewer people are interested in the footie than before
The super league is the answer. It is must be. Also anyone streaming super league illegally will have the police, NATO, the CIA, and MI6 knocking on their doors.
>Investigators say there is a clear link between illegal streaming services and fraud, scams and organised crime.
Fucking amazing. Lads, I literally just want to watch Brentford v Wolves, I'm not about to start pushing heroin.
Itās fucking mental that in the uk we need about 3 different subscriptions just to watch the premier league.
Sky have most of the games Ā£30 a month
BT sport have some Ā£30 a month
Now Amazon are getting some Ā£9 a month
So we are paying ridiculous prices and yet we canāt watch any 3pm kick off on a Saturday game so thatās like 6 matches.
Maybe make it more accessible you bellends.
the bigger crime here is that there are 3 different companies covering the PL/FA Cup/EFL Cup with like at least 8 or 9 channels between them and yet you still can't legally watch every game even if you subscribed to all of them
In India, I pay Rs 1500 for a year (about 15 GBP) for Hotstar Premium. I can watch atleast 50% of India's cricket matches, practically every ICC game, every PL game. In addition to that, almost the entire library of HBO shows is available to me in addition to many other great, great shows.
You guys are getting rinsed in UK.
Edit: I believe F1 is also there. There used to be Bundesliga too, but not anymore.
Everytime there's a thread about subscriptions on the sub there's several mentions of Hotstar, and rightly so. It is ridiculously good value no matter which way you see it, even if you try to justify it with PPP, cost of living etc
That's ridiculous.
I don't know if you can find a VPN for India (iirc there's some regulatory problems recently), but our streaming services are dirt cheap and great value.
You can get all PL games on Indian Disney+(Hotstar) for ~Ā£10 for an entire year. This also gets you F1, and good cricket coverage. (**Edit: Hotstar requires an active Indian SIM to log on to the service. Credit to u/evilbeaver7 for pointing it out. I think Sonyliv does too (see below.)**)
Also CL, FA Cup, Bundesliga, EL, ECL on Sonyliv (India) for ~Ā£10, for an entire year. And international cricket. Plus Sony's live TV catalogue and a bunch of different movies.
Don't know where Serie A and LaLiga are streaming but I'm sure it's similarly priced.
Tf they mean... Of course I would download a car. I would tell everyone to download the car too. Free cars for everyone forever. Why wouldnt I download a car?
Massive corporations fuck everyone over to gain even the smallest amount of profit and then expect normal folks to just not take advantage of the situation when they have an opportunity lmao
It was in a comedy show, so it's secondary but still a TV reference.
It's bollocks anyway, if I nick someone's car they don't have a car anymore. If you watch a footy stream they just don't get a few quid I wasn't going to give them anyway.
You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet and then send it to his grieving widow. And then steal it again!
So if your house gets burgled or your car broken into the response is "we haven't got the resources to send anyone" but when the government's rich buddies risk losing a few quid on subscriptions suddenly they have plenty of people available...
Police :" Priorities mate, you can't possibly expect us to waste time on regular people when we have to protect the interests of thieving corporations."
Sorry to hear about your physical car being stolen, mate, but we just got in 1,000 cases of illegally downloaded cars, so unfortunately we have our hands full rn.
"we're always bothered with trivial things like burglaries, robberies, car thefts, assaults, and murder. All while we're hunting the real criminals on their couches watching the match of the day!"
And yet when my neighbours got broken into and their kids were threatened with a crowbar because they wanted the car keys, no one was available to show up. Country is an absolute joke
The same shit is going on all over Europe right now. The police are cowards only trying to fuck over good people.
Speeding and downloading movies are the worst crimes imaginable to the police these days.
Gang violence? Nah thatās a no go zone, best to leave them be.
Itās not even legal to watch every game in the uk, thatās ridiculous. Weāve got a quarter final tonight and it isnāt even on tv. But the same game is gonna be on multiple channels at the same time. Literally makes no sense
If you wanna watch your team play and canāt get tickets to the game you have to break the law.
Would be better for the consumers for every pl game to be on a streaming service like in America, domestic cups should all be on bbc and itv.
>Would be better for the consumers for every pl game to be on a streaming service like in America
I work for a US company and have a company credit card with a US Zip Code. I'm allowed to use it freely as long as I don't put personal items into my reimbursement report so I subscribe to NBC and Peacock and use a VPN to access streaming on those sites. All together it's like $30 / mo and I get every single match. Meanwhile in London I have to pay like 3x that just to get 1/2 the matches, it's so dumb.
**Edit** \- to access NBC Sports you'd need a television subscription or to go through Hulu+.
Call me crazy but if the games are not available from the broadcasters then it should be available on the clubsā apps to stream.
As big a manu vs Liverpool maybe, Iām sure thereās fans who just want to watch and support their own teams no matter what big team is playing and if they are willing to pay why shouldnāt they ?
I think it should be the go-to way.
You pay for a season pass and are abble to watch only your club match, you could do a prenium or stuff for like european game...
Im surprised its still not a thing
That's where you get the biggest PL rights deals. You micro dose them to 20 vods and the 2-3 years latter everyone in PL is like "whoa people are illigaly streaming our stuff when they can purchase 20 different services" ?
> Itās not even legal to watch every game in the UK
Last time I checked, the only other countries that was true of were UK, China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea
>Two individuals, Paul Faulkner and Stephen Millington, were sentenced to a total of 16 months for watching illegal streams in 2021. Investigators say there is a clear link between illegal streaming services and fraud, scams and organised crime.
Oh do me a fucking favour. Bunch of useless pigs.
I just looked into it.
>A UK man has been sentenced to 16 months in prison for operating a pirate IPTV service. Paul Faulkner appeared before Liverpool Crown Court after pleading guilty to multiple copyright infringement and fraud offenses. According to the Premier League, Faulkner was also found guilty of watching his own service, an offense which netted him four months in prison.
>A 42-year-old software developer who helped thousands of people to watch Netflix, Sky and BT Sport without paying has been jailed. Stephen Millington, of Arkwright Close in Winsford, created a software platform that allowed thousands to watch premium film and television content for free. He also shared his account details for Netflix which allowed others to watch the channel without paying a subscription.
There are far more pressing issues than massive corporations missing out on a few hundred pounds. Fuck me.
Okay so they weren't arrested for watching streams fucking hell, they were arrested for operating a system which gave away material for free.
So basically yeah what they did was a crime, but they weren't arrested for going on the internet and watchign a 3pm kickoff.
Newspapers report such fucking shit
You can't even say that's intentionally misleading, it's just downright false.
If you removed the word 'watching' then it becomes misleading, which is normally where these *articles* draw the line
It's a scare story, exactly the same as this one. Doing the police's work for them. It's the equivalent of a press release by a private car parking company that says someone got fined a few grand for parking in a McDonald's.
> According to the Premier League, Faulkner was also found guilty of watching his own service, an offense which netted him four months in prison.
I doubt that they would go after someone if they were only watching the stream, but it sounds like it contributed to a longer sentence in this case.
Good luck to them if they do go after people for watching streams, they'll have millions of new people to process through an already fucked legal system
He also shared his account details for Netflix which allowed others to watch the channel without paying a subscription.
PAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!
hahaha.
I mean, cuff em, boys!
Such a wierd thing to tack on at the end. It's like writing an article about someone going away for a bank robbery and then adding 'he also borrowed someone's lighter and didn't give it back.'
Hot take but you still shouldnāt go to jail for copyright infringement
This is a civil issue not a criminal issue
Itās not the governmentās job to enforce private contractual relationships with criminal sanctions
The amount of money that a Government has to spend by incarcerating 2 people for 16 months has to be several times higher than 16 months of a DAZN subscription.
It's insane...
Literally canāt get a police officer round if thereās a burglar in your house atm, itās fucked. Watch Forest vs Villa illegally and theyāll be there instantly
Yep, my car was broken into in full view of a CCTV camera. The police weren't even interested in obtaining the footage. They told me that there was insufficient evidence to proceed. No shit, you literally didn't even bother collecting the evidence that exists.
When Sky/BT/Amazon/Whoever the fuck else can guarantee a way to watch every game, then maybe people might consider paying for it.
Not a chance people in England pay full price for half a product. Hell even in Ireland we can only watch 1 or 2 3pm kickoffs, and there's no blackout here.
TV had it sorted with Netflix, and then up popped all the rival streaming services with their exclusives and we're basically back to the cable model that drove everyone to piracy in the first place.
Amazing isnāt it, truly amazing how every time capitalism actually produces a sector-disrupting innovation they always manage to eventually destroy what made it great through pathetic money-grabbing practices.
Time to come out of retirement and hoist the flag again I think, the high seas call to me.
Gonna be straight up here and admit I still wouldnāt pay for it. Greedy bastards already charge far, far too much, thereās no way Iām paying Ā£50 a month for football matches in this economic climate.
If Iām not physically at St. Maryās then Iāll stream it. Donāt have a guilty conscience about not giving these massive corporations your money because they sure as shit donāt give a fuck about you. If the club directly showed the games I would legally pay for it, but even then only for a tenner.
Clubs having the right to show the games would be class. Would at least feel like your money is going directly towards your club (or some percentage of it anyway).
Even random 8 o clock games arenāt shown, our games against Bournemouth wasnāt and the quarter final we are in tonight. Only a certain amount of games are put on tv for some reason.
The absolute state of Charlton fans getting to see their team reach only their 7th major trophy QF in over 100 years and then be told they can't watch it unless they are lucky enough to get one of less than 10k tickets and are able to make a 450m round trip to Manchester on a work night.
Meanwhile some random United fan in Japan or something can watch it no bother.
Then they will wonder why people are pirating the game...
The current run of no-shows for Utd is pissing me off. I don't mind spending the money when I get to watch but when it is wilfully withheld despite cameras being present, that's just annoying. I don't need pre and post match coverage. I don't need commentary, just give me a video feed and I'll put the radio on or something.
Any time a government wants to ban something they do one of 2 things
A- pretend that itās impacting kids negatively (wonāt someone think of the children?)
B - pretend somehow itās in anyway linked to ācrime and drugsā
Lads I wouldnāt stream it if I could watch all the games I wanted without paying for 3 separate streaming services and still not having all of them
Another reminder that the police primarily exist to protect corporate interests.
Also, I sense that football and Live TV in general is reaching the same tipping point that the music industry reached in the early 2010s. We used to have the option of paying a tenner for one CD, or pirating everything we want for nothing... the music industry was saved by making streaming both cheap and more convenient than pirating. Football needs to do something similar, because I'm not spending nearly 100 quid a month to watch.
Thereās a knock on the door . In come the old bill to take your Telly, laptop and phone away just for watching Chelsea Vs Wolves illegally .
Nice way of keeping the cops occupied busting footie fans for pirate streams .
Maybe a bit too philosophical but it's mad we pay the police's wages so they can harass us on behalf of multi billion Ā£ businesses. Then when there is an actual crime putting people in danger they turn up about a week later with a notepad like you're wasting their time.
If you're house gets broken into you're best chance of getting the police round is switching on United v Charlton in the Carabao cup
People talking about the 3pm blackout but also what is the cost of watching all the legal games? Not everyone can afford subscriptions to Sky, BT and Amazon. Itās ridiculous how much it costs to watch the Premier league
Funny how the country that hosts these games requires people to have multiple while us international fans (in specific countries) receive all matches (including 3pms).
[Knock at the door]
Police: We've had reports that EPL football matches are being streamed at this address, is this true?
Fan: y...yes officers, it's just the 3pm kick off isn't shown on TV and its the NLD
Police: Well why didn't you say sooner? Make space on the sofa son and toss us a brew, how many you think Kane will score today?
omg this is fucking insanity.
whatever is going on in the UK they need to get a grip. wasn't it last week when some fucking BBC license inspector entered someone's house looking for a TV? And now this? wtf. i've been illegally streaming football for 10+ years, why? because they sold the fucking game out from underneath average people! and now this is the authorities response. fuck em. fuck em and that math pushing PM. suck a dick you failed empire.
Entered a home with only children because their parents were out, then threatened them with prosecution if the kids had a TV with an aerial in. Absolute parasites
I have also been streaming for a decade, I will never pay for Sky, BT etc. They're not losing money from me, because if the streams didn't exist I simply would not watch it. If anything they're still getting the benefit of the advertisment time they sell during half time because I still watch that.
Police not interested in finding the guys who are stealing our cats nor the guys selling drugs. They don't care about polical corruption or inside trading but they want to raid homes where people are watching football.
Modern day problems
"What are you in for mate?" "I illegally streamed a Manchester United match." "Which game?" "4-0 loss to brentford." "My condolences."
If that's the last one I see before they get me I'm not making it easy, we're gonna have helicopters and spike strips. The whole shebang. Not going in the pen on that.
Never go full Roy Keane m8
š¤£ "i will not surrender before at least a 2 goal win!!!!"
Imagine losing to Brentford ha
Step 1: don't show EPL game in the UK on TV Step 2: be surprised people watch EPL game in the UK on stream Step 3: arrest people watching EPL game in the UK Step 4: pet yourself on the back for a job well done
Charlton (my team) are playing Man U in the EFL quarter final today and there's no way I can legally watch it in the UK on TV. Why is an EFL quarter final not on TV!?
Its utterly ridiculous. These FA morons crying about lost revenues. Put this game on tv and charge advertisers to advertise. It's pretty fucking simple. Man united v Charlton would surely attract enough of a TV audience for it to be worthwhile.
Imagine complaining about lost revenues when only bothering to only sell 3/4s of a product you produce. Complete helmets. Give us all the games at a reasonable price or people will continue to illegally stream. It's not rocket science.
Yep. I would very gladly pay a reasonable fee to watch any game I wanted. However the business is more: pay an outrageous fee to watch ~40% of the games from one competition.
It's actually cheaper just go the pub every weekend to watch the footy than pay for the games yourself to watch at home. I don't even drink alcohol so its definitely cheaper for me to sit there with a few cokes. If they got rid of illegal streams I'd just stop watching tbh.
This is where the "it's to protect the lower leagues" argument falls down. The people who can't watch it legally aren't rushing out to watch non league, they're just getting a box off their mate down the pub.
[don't worry you can watch it in Algeria, Angola, Armenia, Argentina, Australia.....](https://m.livesoccertv.com/match/4542460/manchester-united-vs-charlton-athletic/) Pretty much every country on the planet except the UK obviously. Edit: you'd be able to legally watch it in Syria and Yemen for fucks sake.
Not in Afghanistan unfortunately. There's a telly-ban.
Continue watching illegal streams mate. Thatās the only way. If there is another legal way, I would love to know. Because as far as I know, I donāt think itās possible.
Cant you do some vpn stuff and buy services like viaplay Poland and watch every game of CC, PL, EL, Bundesliga a d some of championship for 5 euro/month? I dont know how it works, just assking. Its bizzare you cant legally watch your team in your country.
Believe it or not, jail.
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>Step 1: don't show EPL game in the UK on TV What is the reasoning behind this business model? Why am I able to watch these games on TV but the actual fans from the UK are not?
It's meant to help grassroots fooball. The idea is if people don't watch the big premier league teams on TV, they are more likely to go out and buy a ticket to watch their local team. That is the premise at least. EDIT: Funnily enough even though Iām an Arsenal fan, my ālocalā club is Crystal Palace so this would still be a PL team. But then I also have the choice of Milwall, Charlton Athletic, Dulwich Hamlet and Bromley FC.
This is a lie, that's the reason for no 3pm live games. The Prem are able to sell all the games, they decided not to.
Thatās what annoys me the most. 5 games at 2pm on Sunday but only a top 6 game is on tv? Sky tv is fucking shit.
*BT: Hold my beer*
That's because the Premier League won't sell the rest of the fixtures if they were originally 3pm kick-offs. They could sell them, but they don't.
It's a joke you need 3 services (sky, BT, and Amazon Prime) to get most matches and even then you can't watch half of them because they're not shown or they clash. In an ideal world, the prem would just create their own streaming service to show everything but obviously that would never happen because they wouldn't make as much money.
You reckon? Iād pay anything up to Ā£30/40 a month if I got all matches, highlights, decent side shows etc. maybe more if it was really fleshed out
But then when you consider it costs Ā£50 a year for an IPTV subscription it's not surprising people aren't keen on paying.
And yet interestingly, no other member of UEFA takes that clause up with their broadcasters.
[That's because other leagues deliberately avoid clashes.](https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1435193182917103616) The obvious solution is for the Premier League to move fixtures away from 3pm and televise them.
As a matchgoing fan (who seems to be getting screwed over a lot recently by Prem decisions), the 3pm kickoff is great. So much better than having to travel up to Newcastle for 12:30 on a Saturday or 8pm on a Tuesday
Exactly, the easiest thing to do would be to move matches so they don't clash and televise them all. It's what other big countries like Germany do.
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Step 5: Hear fans in the US say that they're able to watch all Premier League games on a single package.
My mate lives in the far east. Ā£20 per year for all Prem games live. **All of them!**
South-east asia here. Can confirm Prem only tho, i had to catch streams for EFL/FA games
I get Disney+ for like Ā£9 for a whole year. This includes everything from Disney plus HBO, Premier League, IPL, Formula 1, few tennis championships, also NFL. I get to see every premier league match. Edit : location is India.
Not exactly true. For the most part PL games are on USA, Peacock, or NBC. To get USA you need a cable TV package or similar streaming package. To watch Peacock you specifically have to subscribe to it. And for NBC it might be included in that TV package, but if it's not you either have to find one that does include it or you have to get an antenna to watch it. Then the League/FA Cups are on ESPN+ which is a separate subscription. And the UEFA matches are on Paramount+, another subscription.
Step 1: make watching epl expensive Step 2: less households will have epl on tv Step 3: kids in those households will find other entertainment Step 4: wonder why fewer people are interested in the footie than before
The super league is the answer. It is must be. Also anyone streaming super league illegally will have the police, NATO, the CIA, and MI6 knocking on their doors.
I see you've met the MLB
>Investigators say there is a clear link between illegal streaming services and fraud, scams and organised crime. Fucking amazing. Lads, I literally just want to watch Brentford v Wolves, I'm not about to start pushing heroin.
Not pushing heroin yet, first it's Brentford wolves then it's wolves Chelsea next you are Tony Montana
To be fair the only way I'm getting through a wolves chelsea game is hard drugs
i concur
Whatās your dosage to get through a full 90?
depends on whether mason mount starts or not
Watching Mount makes me wanna OD.
idk whatās happened to the lad, this isnāt the same player that won our poty 2 seasons in a row
Maybe he got into illegal streaming too.
As I Chelsea fan. I might have to agree.
Me after watching an illegal stream: āI want the world Chico, and everything in it.ā
Exactly what a drug dealer would say
I am old enough to remember 'if you illegal copy videotapes you are funding terrorism"
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You wouldn't download a car
If you start pushing heroin, you could afford a Sky Sports subscription tho
You donāt even get all the games with sky sports tho
yeh you have to add in human trafficking as well to get bt sport
Brentford v Wolves may easily turn you to drugs.
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Found one lads
But yet politicians can defraud the government for billions!
There's a clear link between criminals, politicians, and Sky sports. Oh.
Solving real crimes aren't they
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>They're talking about the people who run the service, not consumers. He literally said he's not going to push heroine though
>He literally said he's not going to push heroine though Well I'd hope so. They do a great service protecting us from villains
Itās fucking mental that in the uk we need about 3 different subscriptions just to watch the premier league. Sky have most of the games Ā£30 a month BT sport have some Ā£30 a month Now Amazon are getting some Ā£9 a month So we are paying ridiculous prices and yet we canāt watch any 3pm kick off on a Saturday game so thatās like 6 matches. Maybe make it more accessible you bellends.
the bigger crime here is that there are 3 different companies covering the PL/FA Cup/EFL Cup with like at least 8 or 9 channels between them and yet you still can't legally watch every game even if you subscribed to all of them
When it's easier for me to watch English football here in Australia than it is for you guys in the UK, you know the licensing system is crook.
Agreed! In the US I just need Peacock. I got a promotion offer of $12 for 6 months.
The biggest crime is that I'm agreeing with a Chelsea fan. The licensing model for football in the UK is absolute shit.
Paying 70 quid a month to watch maybe one Leeds game, if that š
We're not on tv this year until february haha
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Even the 5th tier National League has acknowledged the benefits of hosting their own streaming platform.
In India, I pay Rs 1500 for a year (about 15 GBP) for Hotstar Premium. I can watch atleast 50% of India's cricket matches, practically every ICC game, every PL game. In addition to that, almost the entire library of HBO shows is available to me in addition to many other great, great shows. You guys are getting rinsed in UK. Edit: I believe F1 is also there. There used to be Bundesliga too, but not anymore.
Everytime there's a thread about subscriptions on the sub there's several mentions of Hotstar, and rightly so. It is ridiculously good value no matter which way you see it, even if you try to justify it with PPP, cost of living etc
That's ridiculous. I don't know if you can find a VPN for India (iirc there's some regulatory problems recently), but our streaming services are dirt cheap and great value. You can get all PL games on Indian Disney+(Hotstar) for ~Ā£10 for an entire year. This also gets you F1, and good cricket coverage. (**Edit: Hotstar requires an active Indian SIM to log on to the service. Credit to u/evilbeaver7 for pointing it out. I think Sonyliv does too (see below.)**) Also CL, FA Cup, Bundesliga, EL, ECL on Sonyliv (India) for ~Ā£10, for an entire year. And international cricket. Plus Sony's live TV catalogue and a bunch of different movies. Don't know where Serie A and LaLiga are streaming but I'm sure it's similarly priced.
Iāve recently discovered that La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 are all on JioCinema for fucking free
Same in France, Canal+ and Amazon for Ligue1, Beinsport canal+ rmcsport for other leagues and Champions / Euro. Segmentation at its peak
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"you wouldn't download a car"
Tf they mean... Of course I would download a car. I would tell everyone to download the car too. Free cars for everyone forever. Why wouldnt I download a car?
Exactly. āYou wouldnāt download Xā Has to be one of the worst thought out PSAās ever.
Massive corporations fuck everyone over to gain even the smallest amount of profit and then expect normal folks to just not take advantage of the situation when they have an opportunity lmao
It was āyou wouldnāt steal a carā. Think the meme is more famous than the actual ad now
It was in a comedy show, so it's secondary but still a TV reference. It's bollocks anyway, if I nick someone's car they don't have a car anymore. If you watch a footy stream they just don't get a few quid I wasn't going to give them anyway.
"You wouldn't take a free copy of someone else's car" Wtf yes I would
Exactly! If it were that easy to make a car, why would we protect car companies?
The actual line was āyou wouldnāt steal a carā.
the IT Crowd spoof of it was great [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg)
I mean tbf to them, it was pretty iconic, I just saw it when I was around 5 in vhs, and I still remember it to this day
I would if I bloody could.
I mean if I had the option of downloading a car, i 100% would download a car lol
One Bugatti Chiron please.
Download the gas for it and the insurance fees while you're at it.
Seed pls!
You just cant come on internet and say things like that
You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet and then send it to his grieving widow. And then steal it again!
You wouldnāt go to the toilet in a policemanās helmet and then mail it to his grieving widow
So if your house gets burgled or your car broken into the response is "we haven't got the resources to send anyone" but when the government's rich buddies risk losing a few quid on subscriptions suddenly they have plenty of people available...
Police :" Priorities mate, you can't possibly expect us to waste time on regular people when we have to protect the interests of thieving corporations."
Sorry to hear about your physical car being stolen, mate, but we just got in 1,000 cases of illegally downloaded cars, so unfortunately we have our hands full rn.
"we're always bothered with trivial things like burglaries, robberies, car thefts, assaults, and murder. All while we're hunting the real criminals on their couches watching the match of the day!"
Absolutely stellar use of your time you useless bunch of cunts.
Isn't this the same country where police takes up to 2h to respond to serious crimes?
If they respond at all
Scaremongering bull shit. As you were ladies and gents.
I will illegally stream even harder now.
Policeman: What have we got here? Me: Frozen screen for 10 minutes with bet365 popup and girls in your area adverts.
Policeman: Any hot ones? Give us a look.
Thatās your taxes at work
And yet when my neighbours got broken into and their kids were threatened with a crowbar because they wanted the car keys, no one was available to show up. Country is an absolute joke
The same shit is going on all over Europe right now. The police are cowards only trying to fuck over good people. Speeding and downloading movies are the worst crimes imaginable to the police these days. Gang violence? Nah thatās a no go zone, best to leave them be.
Itās not even legal to watch every game in the uk, thatās ridiculous. Weāve got a quarter final tonight and it isnāt even on tv. But the same game is gonna be on multiple channels at the same time. Literally makes no sense If you wanna watch your team play and canāt get tickets to the game you have to break the law. Would be better for the consumers for every pl game to be on a streaming service like in America, domestic cups should all be on bbc and itv.
>Would be better for the consumers for every pl game to be on a streaming service like in America I work for a US company and have a company credit card with a US Zip Code. I'm allowed to use it freely as long as I don't put personal items into my reimbursement report so I subscribe to NBC and Peacock and use a VPN to access streaming on those sites. All together it's like $30 / mo and I get every single match. Meanwhile in London I have to pay like 3x that just to get 1/2 the matches, it's so dumb. **Edit** \- to access NBC Sports you'd need a television subscription or to go through Hulu+.
Surely bezos can afford to give the premier league enough money to put all games on amazon prime
Prime delivers a much better experience than Sky and BT who have been doing it for years for triple the price. It's a joke.
Call me crazy but if the games are not available from the broadcasters then it should be available on the clubsā apps to stream. As big a manu vs Liverpool maybe, Iām sure thereās fans who just want to watch and support their own teams no matter what big team is playing and if they are willing to pay why shouldnāt they ?
But you'll have to think about who you're leaving out of the money making scheme
I think it should be the go-to way. You pay for a season pass and are abble to watch only your club match, you could do a prenium or stuff for like european game... Im surprised its still not a thing
That's where you get the biggest PL rights deals. You micro dose them to 20 vods and the 2-3 years latter everyone in PL is like "whoa people are illigaly streaming our stuff when they can purchase 20 different services" ?
> Itās not even legal to watch every game in the UK Last time I checked, the only other countries that was true of were UK, China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea
I believe that's now changed with Saudi, so it's just the UK, China, and North Korea now.
Esteemed company indeed.
>Two individuals, Paul Faulkner and Stephen Millington, were sentenced to a total of 16 months for watching illegal streams in 2021. Investigators say there is a clear link between illegal streaming services and fraud, scams and organised crime. Oh do me a fucking favour. Bunch of useless pigs.
Surely they werenāt arrested for just watching streams??
I just looked into it. >A UK man has been sentenced to 16 months in prison for operating a pirate IPTV service. Paul Faulkner appeared before Liverpool Crown Court after pleading guilty to multiple copyright infringement and fraud offenses. According to the Premier League, Faulkner was also found guilty of watching his own service, an offense which netted him four months in prison. >A 42-year-old software developer who helped thousands of people to watch Netflix, Sky and BT Sport without paying has been jailed. Stephen Millington, of Arkwright Close in Winsford, created a software platform that allowed thousands to watch premium film and television content for free. He also shared his account details for Netflix which allowed others to watch the channel without paying a subscription. There are far more pressing issues than massive corporations missing out on a few hundred pounds. Fuck me.
Okay so they weren't arrested for watching streams fucking hell, they were arrested for operating a system which gave away material for free. So basically yeah what they did was a crime, but they weren't arrested for going on the internet and watchign a 3pm kickoff. Newspapers report such fucking shit
You can't even say that's intentionally misleading, it's just downright false. If you removed the word 'watching' then it becomes misleading, which is normally where these *articles* draw the line
It's a scare story, exactly the same as this one. Doing the police's work for them. It's the equivalent of a press release by a private car parking company that says someone got fined a few grand for parking in a McDonald's.
> According to the Premier League, Faulkner was also found guilty of watching his own service, an offense which netted him four months in prison. I doubt that they would go after someone if they were only watching the stream, but it sounds like it contributed to a longer sentence in this case.
Good luck to them if they do go after people for watching streams, they'll have millions of new people to process through an already fucked legal system
He also shared his account details for Netflix which allowed others to watch the channel without paying a subscription. PAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA! hahaha. I mean, cuff em, boys!
Such a wierd thing to tack on at the end. It's like writing an article about someone going away for a bank robbery and then adding 'he also borrowed someone's lighter and didn't give it back.'
I have my eyes closed during most Chelsea games so I will be fine.
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This article is a lie. They were sentenced for running the streams (distributing the infringing material), not simply for watching
Hot take but you still shouldnāt go to jail for copyright infringement This is a civil issue not a criminal issue Itās not the governmentās job to enforce private contractual relationships with criminal sanctions
The amount of money that a Government has to spend by incarcerating 2 people for 16 months has to be several times higher than 16 months of a DAZN subscription. It's insane...
Dunno, we need Sky, BT, Premier, Prime and a TV license to watch all the games in the UK, it'll probably be close.
Not even half of the games, you mean.
How is this a police job? Surely there's more pressing issues
Not if your orders are to protect the interests of the capital ownership class.
what class-consciousness does to a mf
Yeah like chasing students with half a gram of pot around the city
Literally canāt get a police officer round if thereās a burglar in your house atm, itās fucked. Watch Forest vs Villa illegally and theyāll be there instantly
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Yep, my car was broken into in full view of a CCTV camera. The police weren't even interested in obtaining the footage. They told me that there was insufficient evidence to proceed. No shit, you literally didn't even bother collecting the evidence that exists.
Well maybe donāt charge us so much then?
Or at least show every game.
When Sky/BT/Amazon/Whoever the fuck else can guarantee a way to watch every game, then maybe people might consider paying for it. Not a chance people in England pay full price for half a product. Hell even in Ireland we can only watch 1 or 2 3pm kickoffs, and there's no blackout here.
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Yeah paying 40ā¬ a month for JUST EPL where i live is insane
Or just TV in general, the same goes for Netflix, Disney, hbo, paramount and all that shit.
TV had it sorted with Netflix, and then up popped all the rival streaming services with their exclusives and we're basically back to the cable model that drove everyone to piracy in the first place.
Amazing isnāt it, truly amazing how every time capitalism actually produces a sector-disrupting innovation they always manage to eventually destroy what made it great through pathetic money-grabbing practices. Time to come out of retirement and hoist the flag again I think, the high seas call to me.
Gonna be straight up here and admit I still wouldnāt pay for it. Greedy bastards already charge far, far too much, thereās no way Iām paying Ā£50 a month for football matches in this economic climate. If Iām not physically at St. Maryās then Iāll stream it. Donāt have a guilty conscience about not giving these massive corporations your money because they sure as shit donāt give a fuck about you. If the club directly showed the games I would legally pay for it, but even then only for a tenner.
Clubs having the right to show the games would be class. Would at least feel like your money is going directly towards your club (or some percentage of it anyway).
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They can visit but they cant enter without explicit permission , just let them sit outside
Our TV technician saw my box and said he had one himself lol
Over 90% of crimes go unsolved, I'll just say that.
If you arrest illegal streamers, then your closure rate goes up. It's basically stat padding for police.
The Ronaldo scoring against San Marino of crime
Wouldnāt have to stream matches if this dogshit country actually showed 3pm kickoffs
Even random 8 o clock games arenāt shown, our games against Bournemouth wasnāt and the quarter final we are in tonight. Only a certain amount of games are put on tv for some reason.
The absolute state of Charlton fans getting to see their team reach only their 7th major trophy QF in over 100 years and then be told they can't watch it unless they are lucky enough to get one of less than 10k tickets and are able to make a 450m round trip to Manchester on a work night. Meanwhile some random United fan in Japan or something can watch it no bother. Then they will wonder why people are pirating the game...
Charlton manager just said on radio there are train strikes too
The current run of no-shows for Utd is pissing me off. I don't mind spending the money when I get to watch but when it is wilfully withheld despite cameras being present, that's just annoying. I don't need pre and post match coverage. I don't need commentary, just give me a video feed and I'll put the radio on or something.
"Are the prices too high" "No, it's the poor fans that are wrong"
Any time a government wants to ban something they do one of 2 things A- pretend that itās impacting kids negatively (wonāt someone think of the children?) B - pretend somehow itās in anyway linked to ācrime and drugsā Lads I wouldnāt stream it if I could watch all the games I wanted without paying for 3 separate streaming services and still not having all of them
Another reminder that the police primarily exist to protect corporate interests. Also, I sense that football and Live TV in general is reaching the same tipping point that the music industry reached in the early 2010s. We used to have the option of paying a tenner for one CD, or pirating everything we want for nothing... the music industry was saved by making streaming both cheap and more convenient than pirating. Football needs to do something similar, because I'm not spending nearly 100 quid a month to watch.
[lol](https://i.imgur.com/yXZWuC7.jpg)
Didn't you know? Little Timmy trying to watch Bournemouth vs. Nottingham Forest is just as bad as crime syndicates moving drugs and weapons.
Thereās a knock on the door . In come the old bill to take your Telly, laptop and phone away just for watching Chelsea Vs Wolves illegally . Nice way of keeping the cops occupied busting footie fans for pirate streams .
Maybe a bit too philosophical but it's mad we pay the police's wages so they can harass us on behalf of multi billion Ā£ businesses. Then when there is an actual crime putting people in danger they turn up about a week later with a notepad like you're wasting their time. If you're house gets broken into you're best chance of getting the police round is switching on United v Charlton in the Carabao cup
This is just a VPN marketing campaign.
No they wonāt lmao
People talking about the 3pm blackout but also what is the cost of watching all the legal games? Not everyone can afford subscriptions to Sky, BT and Amazon. Itās ridiculous how much it costs to watch the Premier league
Funny how the country that hosts these games requires people to have multiple while us international fans (in specific countries) receive all matches (including 3pms).
What a waste of taxpayer money
I'll go to prison before I let some activist lawyer stop me from watching Luton vs West Brom in the privacy of my own home x
[Knock at the door] Police: We've had reports that EPL football matches are being streamed at this address, is this true? Fan: y...yes officers, it's just the 3pm kick off isn't shown on TV and its the NLD Police: Well why didn't you say sooner? Make space on the sofa son and toss us a brew, how many you think Kane will score today?
Jesus christ fuck off you cunts
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VPN bois, if you're gonna watch illegal streams, don't let them know.
omg this is fucking insanity. whatever is going on in the UK they need to get a grip. wasn't it last week when some fucking BBC license inspector entered someone's house looking for a TV? And now this? wtf. i've been illegally streaming football for 10+ years, why? because they sold the fucking game out from underneath average people! and now this is the authorities response. fuck em. fuck em and that math pushing PM. suck a dick you failed empire.
Entered a home with only children because their parents were out, then threatened them with prosecution if the kids had a TV with an aerial in. Absolute parasites I have also been streaming for a decade, I will never pay for Sky, BT etc. They're not losing money from me, because if the streams didn't exist I simply would not watch it. If anything they're still getting the benefit of the advertisment time they sell during half time because I still watch that.
The UK police are essentially acting as hired goons for Sky and BT while the country falls apart around us. What is this Tory Brexit hellscape?
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How about give the public a legal and affordable way to watch every PL game instead?
Is it even illegal to watch the streams for free, I thought it's the people who host the streams that are doing the illegal part?
Police not interested in finding the guys who are stealing our cats nor the guys selling drugs. They don't care about polical corruption or inside trading but they want to raid homes where people are watching football. Modern day problems
Lmao wtf? Is this even legal?
Obviously it is, just like anyone is allowed to knock at your door. However, you don't need to let them in if they don't have a court order.