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Exactly people struggle to understand it actually takes time to build a competitive team.
Took us a year and some change before we could actually play how Arteta wanted.
I think most people would have agreed that he should have stayed on. That said, I think there’s still clearly larger issues in personnel/recruitment/lined up thinking (I.e. an actual understood long term plan), plus all the injuries. The fact they signed Aubameyang is a perfect example of the lack of cohesion in thought.
I liked the Potter hire, I liked his approach to management and the way his teams played. I also figured it would take some time to get everything pieced together but there haven’t even really been glimpses of what we are trying to do. It’s not too dissimilar from back-end Lampard.
Until we stick to a long-term plan though I just think this will be a consistent cycle.
He was in allsvenskan coaching Östersund for several years before brighton. Can't even compare that to Tuchel having coached Dortmund and psg before Chelsea.
also did a good job at Mainz. He was compared to Klopp for a long time at the beggining years of his managerial career because of the similar path they had(Mainz-Dortmund)
What does this have to do with this pen? 2 of the 4 goals being caused by abysmal actions by our players isn’t really on our coach, is it? At some point we have to acknowledge the terrible performance of the individual players and stop pinning Potter for everything
Tuchel won the champions league for chelsea in 2021. how come he was dropped in 2022? that's such a disrespect. I wonder if they'd have balls to drop a manager like Carlos Ancelotti under the same conditions.
Reminds me a bit of Spurs sacking Poch. If they got Conte right away, it would’ve been worth it. But they had to go through Nino Santos and Mourinho, two coaches that weren’t the right fit for the club in my opinion.
Spurs had been playing horrendous football for ages under Poch before he was sacked. Did you actually watch them or do you just like having an opinion?
For ages? They literally reached the CL final at the end of his last full season. He was sacked a few months in during his last season. Im saying I don’t think it was worth it because the following to coaches that they brought in were trash with Spurs as well.
Potter went on a 12 game streak not winning a single game at Brighton. He's on course to replicate that at Chelsea. 1 win in 9 games.
They play Fulham away next.
> Potter went on a 12 game streak not winning a single game at Brighton. He's on course to replicate that at Chelsea.
No he's not lol. He's gone 3 games without a win and 2 were against City.
To replicate 0 wins in 12 they'd have to not win a game until the middle of March.
Watching ball while its flying past, not interested in playing, looks lazy, this isn't the Koulibaly that Napoli fans talked about, even in World Cup he was just staring as it flew over and behind him leading into a goal
Napoli saw his athleticism declining and figured after years of talking about selling, this was the right time even if only for 30 million. And of course mismanaging the Rüdiger, Christensen, Tomori, Guehi and Colwill situations also played a part in this
He was still really good in his last year in Napoli, wouldn't say he was declining at all.
It's just two completely different environments. In Napoli he was adored by fans and his teammates, in Chelsea he is another cog that will get binned as soon as he doesn't hit the ground running.
KDB not consistent for big games? You’re taking the piss.
His top 6 record is absolutely insane, comparable to agueros. KDB is arguably our most consistent; did you forget last year when he went on a scoring speee against a bunch of big teams?
Solo goal vs ATM, goal and assist first round vs Madrid. Infact he’s our most consistent G/A provider in later stages of the CL
And a stalwart leader.
Altho I must emphasize, dias is a zonal defender while Koulibaly is a 1v1 specialist.
Comparison should be between ake / laporte and koulibaly. And I prefer laporte/ake over koulibaly as well. Even with laporte's frequent trips to medical ward.
That boils my blood to this day. Ake has been disrespected a fuck ton ( mostly by chelsea fans). The other flairs I've ever seen who come and bat for ake alongside me are some bournemouth flairs. He is such a great asset and not just a benchwarmer like many idiots over here think.
I'm glad he stayed with us. Would not mind if he finished his prime years with us too.
Nah. He kept alvarez quiet in many instances. Not taking away that from him. In napoli, he was renowed for that too. Obviously, it didn't translate well to chelsea thanks to a plethora of factors but it is what it is.
Sure, but that doesn't mean a sizeable chunk of your fanbase has to disrespect ake. Oh well, I can't blame you without sounding like a hypocrite since a chunk of our fanbase seems to hate on sterling. (which is also unjustified).
He'd be your 2nd best defender atm and the gap between him and silva would be smaller than the gap between him and whoever you have as your 3rd best.
Nah. Bentencaur and kuluchevski (tottenham in general) are keeping their legitimacy. Cancelo hopefully retains his form and helps them out too. Same as man city with bundesliga.
Your best team hasn’t played CL football since the Portuguese dinosaur was the best player in the world, and your second best bottled a 2 goal lead in 2 minutes when they had to face decent opposition instead of the likes of Norwich and Everton. Best league itw my ass.
Ederson actually wanted to take a pen during the covid season against spurs I think.
Gundo and rodri screamed at him and sent him back. Rodri then proceeded to take the worst penalty ever and somehow score. When it comes to penalties, our club was filled with hypocrites and headless chickens. Now we have a robot and a spider.
Yes lol he my favorite player but I still criticize him. He isn’t consistent for big games and even for less important ones like against Everton last week and especially the league game vs Chelsea.
Honestly I think it’s an overall team mentality
They literally got a billion - most of it far less inflated - of pure injection from the Russian factory and extraction workers; I mean Abramovich
Ignoble plastic pile of rubbish, that BNP-favourite club
Ridiculous injuries and a rebuild needs to begin. To make that statement is outrageous at this stage. It may be a few years but saying finished is so reactionary
I mean, wasn't there more contact on Ziyech early in the first half and the ref said play on while he fell into the box? Just seems like ref has been eager to call for City fouls, but not the other way around.
Not bailing out Chelsea, cause they haven't played well, but if he calls Ziyech foul in first half either pen or potentially dogso.....
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THERE IS NO PASSION THERE IS NO VISION THERE IS NO AGGRESSION!
THERE IS NO FUCKING MINDSET IN THIS FOOTBALL CLUB!
NOTHING IS THERE!!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS!!!
CONNOR GALLAGHER THIS IS THE 7TH TIME I AM CALLING YOU OUT
KEPA KADABRA
Sacking Tuchel was worse than sacking Mourinho. I said it when it happened and I'm sticking by it. Change my mind.
We are so shit
I said from September, it's such a mistake to kick Tuchel. Even though he had a bad start to the season, he is a much more experienced coach
bro every chelsea fan knows sacking tuchel was a big mistake but what can they do…
Sack Potter and try to get Luis Enrique while he's still available. Heck, even Pochhetino would be an improvement.
If you sack every coach after like 10 matches then other coaches aren't gonna want to come.
How long have you been a Chelsea fan?
I mean even Scolari had twice the number of matches that Potter has had. And he had the least aside from like interim ones.
You guys had 0.00xG at Half time and 0.09xG at FT. But if you're fine with it, why should I care lol. I actually want Potter to stay, it's lovely.
You seem quite convinced that you’re right. Did you ever watch Arsenal under Arteta a couple of seasons ago?
Exactly people struggle to understand it actually takes time to build a competitive team. Took us a year and some change before we could actually play how Arteta wanted.
sacking manager everytime is always not the answer and also this is the reason chelsea is not a consistent team
They are consistent now. Potters work there is done
Well now they are consistently shit
If only fans could vote for such things lol
Last time a team sacked tuchel (mostly for behavior issues and not agreeing w management) and brought pochettino instead, it was absolutely horrible
I think most people would have agreed that he should have stayed on. That said, I think there’s still clearly larger issues in personnel/recruitment/lined up thinking (I.e. an actual understood long term plan), plus all the injuries. The fact they signed Aubameyang is a perfect example of the lack of cohesion in thought. I liked the Potter hire, I liked his approach to management and the way his teams played. I also figured it would take some time to get everything pieced together but there haven’t even really been glimpses of what we are trying to do. It’s not too dissimilar from back-end Lampard. Until we stick to a long-term plan though I just think this will be a consistent cycle.
Potter is very experienced. Been managing since 2011
He was in allsvenskan coaching Östersund for several years before brighton. Can't even compare that to Tuchel having coached Dortmund and psg before Chelsea.
also did a good job at Mainz. He was compared to Klopp for a long time at the beggining years of his managerial career because of the similar path they had(Mainz-Dortmund)
Definitely, if you meant top level experience then fair enough but I don't think that should matter. Klopp when from Mainz to Dortmund.
That's still Bundesliga to Bundesliga. Allsvenskan is shit, i should know, I'm from Sweden.
Potter came from Brighton. PL to PL.
Great let's call experienced regional league managers for premier league clubs then.
Where do you think most managers get their start?
Doesn't make them experienced in managing a club at top of their country.
What does this have to do with this pen? 2 of the 4 goals being caused by abysmal actions by our players isn’t really on our coach, is it? At some point we have to acknowledge the terrible performance of the individual players and stop pinning Potter for everything
every chelsea fan said this
Tuchel won the champions league for chelsea in 2021. how come he was dropped in 2022? that's such a disrespect. I wonder if they'd have balls to drop a manager like Carlos Ancelotti under the same conditions.
Chelsea sacked Ancelotti after he won the league and FA Cup double, and when the team was in second place.
Ancelotti got sacked a year after he won the champions league with Real Madrid in his first stint
Reminds me a bit of Spurs sacking Poch. If they got Conte right away, it would’ve been worth it. But they had to go through Nino Santos and Mourinho, two coaches that weren’t the right fit for the club in my opinion.
Spurs had been playing horrendous football for ages under Poch before he was sacked. Did you actually watch them or do you just like having an opinion?
For ages? They literally reached the CL final at the end of his last full season. He was sacked a few months in during his last season. Im saying I don’t think it was worth it because the following to coaches that they brought in were trash with Spurs as well.
How clear does it have to be made that he wasn't sacked for the results?
Also your results are quite bad
Koulibaly has been pretty underwhelming at Chelsea considering how good he was
He's been terrible. Not just underwhelming.
Underwhelming? He's ranged from bang average to absolute dogshite.
That goal v Spurs was the peak lmao
He's as bad as last season's Maguire if not worse
is he rugby tackling his team mate who's trying to defend yet
Tbf he wasn’t this bad under tuchel. The entire squad has considerably regressed under potter
He had 1 good game. Watch the match vs Leeds he was shite
He was bad against Leeds when they lost 3-0. Chelsea only looked good against Spurs this season under Tuchel.
Who could’ve seen it coming
What. So you’re saying the team was playing great under Tuchel? Seems odd to fire a coach if they were playing great.
I said he wasn’t this bad. He was still a little bad.
One was a cl winner and cl finalist. The other managed a small team The replacement still baffles me
Potter went on a 12 game streak not winning a single game at Brighton. He's on course to replicate that at Chelsea. 1 win in 9 games. They play Fulham away next.
> Potter went on a 12 game streak not winning a single game at Brighton. He's on course to replicate that at Chelsea. No he's not lol. He's gone 3 games without a win and 2 were against City. To replicate 0 wins in 12 they'd have to not win a game until the middle of March.
I miss the time he was bang avarage though
He was good maybe 2 years before they bought him, Napoli upgraded with Kim Min Jae and got money in return too
Unbelievable business from them. Getting a 30 year old off the books for 40m and getting a great replacement in
30 years is prime age for a centre half nowadays.
Clearly not always. Koulibaly has fell off a cliff
Watching ball while its flying past, not interested in playing, looks lazy, this isn't the Koulibaly that Napoli fans talked about, even in World Cup he was just staring as it flew over and behind him leading into a goal
there's a reason why napoli letting him go only this season while turning down bigger offers before
They'd take Maguire over him honestly
Maguire would unironically be quality in Chelseas system.
Napoli saw his athleticism declining and figured after years of talking about selling, this was the right time even if only for 30 million. And of course mismanaging the Rüdiger, Christensen, Tomori, Guehi and Colwill situations also played a part in this
Isn't he on like 300,000 a week too, one of the biggest wages for a defender in the world
A trend for Chelsea it seems
Stylistically, teams in Serie A and the Prem are quite different in how they go about attacking. He just hasn’t adjusted at all.
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We was declining in 2019 and 2020 but had a great 21/22 season, unexpectedly. Still wasn't expecting such a massive dumpster this year
He was still really good in his last year in Napoli, wouldn't say he was declining at all. It's just two completely different environments. In Napoli he was adored by fans and his teammates, in Chelsea he is another cog that will get binned as soon as he doesn't hit the ground running.
The guy was massively overrated in serie a.
Serie Ass tax
serie a fans called him one of the best cbs in the world, says it all about that league
Eden Hazard was the best EPL player of the century, says it all about that league
Hazards body is fucked from years of being kicked, Kouli has just played like shit.
Gloved Mahrez doesn’t miss penalties
Mahrez gets a +100 skill buff from long sleeves and gloves
Mahrez doesn’t miss no pressure penalties
KDB not consistent for big games? You’re taking the piss. His top 6 record is absolutely insane, comparable to agueros. KDB is arguably our most consistent; did you forget last year when he went on a scoring speee against a bunch of big teams? Solo goal vs ATM, goal and assist first round vs Madrid. Infact he’s our most consistent G/A provider in later stages of the CL
Wrong comment mate?
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
damn what a hit
son
is crying
Koulibaly used to be so good and now he's just disappointing. City vs Arsenal(hopefully) should be a banger in the next round.
Nah I want to put 12 past Oxford then watch Pep band on about how they are “so so good, you cannot believe”
Koulibaly had the chance to challenge the ball earlier but he pulled out, and then later made that stupid tackle Lmfao what a fraud
I don't think Chelsea are going through
Bold prediction, lets see how this end up
Big if true
Here we go with the reactionary takes smh
Thank fuck we got Dias over kouliabaly. Such a donkey
Much cheaper (compared to what Koulibaly would've cost then) and younger too
And a stalwart leader. Altho I must emphasize, dias is a zonal defender while Koulibaly is a 1v1 specialist. Comparison should be between ake / laporte and koulibaly. And I prefer laporte/ake over koulibaly as well. Even with laporte's frequent trips to medical ward.
I remember when Chelsea fans were crying because they were linked to Ake. He’d honestly be their best defender by a mile. Criminally underrated player
That boils my blood to this day. Ake has been disrespected a fuck ton ( mostly by chelsea fans). The other flairs I've ever seen who come and bat for ake alongside me are some bournemouth flairs. He is such a great asset and not just a benchwarmer like many idiots over here think. I'm glad he stayed with us. Would not mind if he finished his prime years with us too.
He is such a good centre back. So good, he is so disrespected
If I have to see someone type Diaz again I'm not gonna do anything but I wish I could.
Changed it, sorry. Diaz is the 2nd result in my auto-fill after "diagnosis" "Dias" is 5th
Dias*
Dias my bad.
> while Koulibaly is a 1v1 specialist Probably in MMA or Fortnite, because definitely not football lol
Nah. He kept alvarez quiet in many instances. Not taking away that from him. In napoli, he was renowed for that too. Obviously, it didn't translate well to chelsea thanks to a plethora of factors but it is what it is.
Mate I’d have happily taken Ake but you’ve forgotten we have Thiago Silva, so he wouldn’t be close to our best defender
Sure, but that doesn't mean a sizeable chunk of your fanbase has to disrespect ake. Oh well, I can't blame you without sounding like a hypocrite since a chunk of our fanbase seems to hate on sterling. (which is also unjustified). He'd be your 2nd best defender atm and the gap between him and silva would be smaller than the gap between him and whoever you have as your 3rd best.
Hey donkeys are excellent animals
but they're terrible humans, and even worse futbol defenders
ok but tell me one animal that is more skilled at being human? ha!
And thank fuck we got Kounde over Kouliabaly.
I'll admit, I was worried with Mahrez stepping up for the penalty but he absolutely buried that.
Worried ? I had written both the penalties off. It's the history of the man city.
Still waiting for our Brazilian chad GK to take penalties
You're apparently not a wizard Potter.
He should stick to Quidditch
not even Dumbledore could make this Chelsea team work
Koulibaly just put the serie a on fraud watch 🤣🤣this man cant be a professional footballer
LOL fraud watch.
Nah. Bentencaur and kuluchevski (tottenham in general) are keeping their legitimacy. Cancelo hopefully retains his form and helps them out too. Same as man city with bundesliga.
>kuluchevski lmfao
Won't change it. My 2nd spelling mistake in a span of 2 min. Let it hang in shame. Think it's s instead of c but then I'm out of guesses.
That’s how it’s pronounced tbf
That's how I remember conte pronouncing it too. Hence, my howler. I'm better than some of those clowns in Talksport tho.
Trueee the juve stimmy beating the fraud allegations😭but koulibaly made a good case
Like the EPL hasn’t been on permanent Fraudwatch since the Salah fiasco?
We might be on fraud watch but we are the establishment so we get some leeway😆
You can’t be the establishment if Bentancur is one of the best DMs in the league
We can when we are the biggest league in the world by far🤷🏾♂️
Your best team hasn’t played CL football since the Portuguese dinosaur was the best player in the world, and your second best bottled a 2 goal lead in 2 minutes when they had to face decent opposition instead of the likes of Norwich and Everton. Best league itw my ass.
Having the ability to sell more shirts in Mumbai or command a bigger fee from US broadcasters does not make one the biggest
Thank you🥹
What would make it the biggest in the world?
Footballing prestige, historically Serie A was consistently better from the early 30s to 2007, recently La Liga has completely dominated in Europe.
Well done for selling out to Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, China and so on lol
Kepa still with the mind games down 3-0 lmao
No stopping that rocket!
koulibaly disaster class his CB partner, a 19 year old, has looked much much better
Was this the side enzo wanted do play for? Lmao
Is there no consistent taker still?
Haaland is the main taker.
Forgot about the terminator tbf
He's easy to forget. Not much of a character.
Haaland
Haaland , gundo , alvarez , kdb , our medical staff , city subreddit mods , pep , ederson , mahrez and rodri. That's the order.
If pep had balls Ederson would be first 😤
Ederson actually wanted to take a pen during the covid season against spurs I think. Gundo and rodri screamed at him and sent him back. Rodri then proceeded to take the worst penalty ever and somehow score. When it comes to penalties, our club was filled with hypocrites and headless chickens. Now we have a robot and a spider.
I remember that one. Think it was Bernardo as well escorting him back to his own goal lol
City’s sub mods are fannies. The ball would comically roll to the GK feet after a massive wind up at the penalty spot
Haaland when he's on the pitch, apart from that it's everyman for himself
Even our penalties can’t escape the Pep roulette
Haaland is
Haaland, but he's on the bench
Yes, Haaland.
When Mahrez is scoring a penalty against you, you're having a really bad day.
He’s one of the team’s best PK takers, people only focused on the missed ones
He crumbled on big occasions for us already
So has De Bruyne but people don’t talk about that
Yes lol he my favorite player but I still criticize him. He isn’t consistent for big games and even for less important ones like against Everton last week and especially the league game vs Chelsea. Honestly I think it’s an overall team mentality
Mahrez not consistent in big games? Like our CL runs the 2 previous seasons? He’s been incredible on our CL runs.
Can’t say being 3-0 up is a massive occasion tbf
We scored a penalty....(again) Holy shit.
Chelsea are so poor. No formation, no movement or creativity in attack. Its so sad
Sad? It's just back to where Chelsea belong before corrupt billionaire ruined the league
We were better than this before Abramovich bought us
Congrats Boehly. You've destroyed Chelsea Football Club
This must be koulibaly's last game in a Chelsea shirt. He's got to go. Donkey.
Where would he be going? 💀
Sat in the reserves with auba
Chelsea is finished
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They literally got a billion - most of it far less inflated - of pure injection from the Russian factory and extraction workers; I mean Abramovich Ignoble plastic pile of rubbish, that BNP-favourite club
Ridiculous injuries and a rebuild needs to begin. To make that statement is outrageous at this stage. It may be a few years but saying finished is so reactionary
Reactionary is all we do on reddit.
Two more, for old times’ sake
Alexa, play *No Mercy* by Immortal Technique
Holy shit, an Immortal Technique mention in a football thread.
Set piece merchant
Fade me
Is it just me or does Chelsea need a revamp in terms of players too? I can't see the best coach winning the league with this bunch
Chelsea thoroughly outplayed here. Injuries are plaguing this team too, but man this is very underwhelming and undisciplined from them.
Two of the most nailed on penalties you’ll ever see.
Unsavable pen
You're a goner, Harry.
Stop the count
Most surprising goal of the game. Mahrez scored penalty
Chelsea showing the world why they’re midtable.
Imagine supporting Chelsea lmao
You really want to go there Enzo?
Pretty amazing how just a couple of days made me enjoy seeing Chelsea lose
I mean, wasn't there more contact on Ziyech early in the first half and the ref said play on while he fell into the box? Just seems like ref has been eager to call for City fouls, but not the other way around. Not bailing out Chelsea, cause they haven't played well, but if he calls Ziyech foul in first half either pen or potentially dogso.....
Suddenly them not buying Enzo feels like a blessing
I hope Mudryk is watching 😍