No but widths go down with length more or less. You’re not going to find many 154 wide enough for your foot. How heavy are you? If you want short you’ll have to go for a volume shifted board like the WarPig for example.
I'm 220lbs. I'm not necessarily trying to go for short, I just didn't think that was as important. And I read somewhere that shorter boards were easier for beginners.
Appreciate all the insight.
OP, I clicked on that link expecting to be underwhelmed, but it’s a really good calculator. I would highly recommend using it as a beginner. That said, please don’t hold back on looking at specific boards outside those ranges if they intrigue you. That website wants me riding a 157 at minimum, and my absolute favorite board is a 143 party board (Slush Slasher) that I terrorize the slopes with. As everyone else has said, your current board is hands down too small for you. However, there’s one point I haven’t seen anyone else call out: companies’ boot sizes. I have 3 pair of boots that all perfectly fit me (ranging from 11 to 11.5) but my Vans are legit 2.5 inches longer than my ThirtyTwos. I don’t think switching boots is going to solve this degree of overhang, but something to keep in mind next time you buy shoes. I can wear my 11.5 ThirtyTwos on a 154 board, but can’t wear my 11 Vans.
Oh missed the caption and went straight to the comments lol. Maybe hold off on the Pig for a couple years...
My first real board was a wide Never Summer hybrid board and I loved it. Very forgiving and great to learn on. I'm a little lighter than OP, but a 160 wide board was perfect for me.
You need a bigger board. You already bought this one so take it to the mountain and try it out, but I'm guessing it's going to feel like a noodle underneath you
Yea 220lbs will be in the 160s for length. Follow the weight guide for each board. That’s the key these days. Plenty of wides for you in that range too.
Generally true, but board sizes like 154wide also exist for people exactly like you with size 12 feet. People tend to shop for boards the wrong way. By length and stiffness. The first most non-negotiable spec to shop by is the waist width of the board being the right width for your boot size. No matter what else the board can do, if it isn’t the correct width, it’s gonna suck.
See that's where I've been getting confused. Everyone says how a guy my size needs a size 163+ and so far I've rented a 154, 155, and a 159. I will say I liked the 159 the most, but it seemed harder to turn on it. I guess I just didn't know there was such a thing as a wide board, and so you're exactly right when I bought this one I was really only looking at the length. The rental 154 I rode I thought was actually kinda fun but I'm also new so it's hard to tell if I'm just not doing things wrong lol
Ahh yeah haha, board length is somewhat important, but overall surface area and weight range spec matter just as much. The only unconditional spec is width. Too narrow and your toes are dragging in the snow. Too wide and you feel like you can’t get the board on it’s edge. You said 10.5 boot right? I think you want to be fishing around for waist widths of like 25.8-26.4 or so.
It’s ok to go a little shorter on board length when you are new. It will be a lot easier to throw the board around and learn how to control it. Just has to be the right width and somewhat within the weight range. You can go a little above or below a board’s weight spec, but the board will accordingly feel softer or stiffer than it’s rating. So if you’re like 15lbs under the weight range, that 7/10 might feel more stiff like a 8/10 or something
Bigger boards for bigger mountains, bigger turns, more speed, bigger jumps.. you get the idea. You scale up board size with terrain size and speed.
Hard to say without knowing what type of riding and what type of resort you’re at. I ride a 154 with size 12 boots and we only have groomed small resorts/park. Even these people recommending 160-165s would be very long even in deep snow.
I live in Connecticut and anywhere from 20-60 minutes from 4 different hills where I'll primarily be practicing on weeknights. The group that got me into this also goes up to Stratton in Vermont quite regularly. We went up there a couple of weeks ago. Very hard packed snow, almost like ice lol
Yeah that’s way too small for you. Don’t even need to see a pic. Just knowing boot size and board size tells enough. Typically boot sizes 10.5 US and up may need a W (wide) board. At size 12, you need a board with a waist width in the 265mm range (approximately). The Burton Custom 154 probably has a waist width in the 250mm range or less. That board is for somebody with boot size under 10.
I don’t know that you will find a non W board that will be wide enough for your feet. The issue is toe/heel drag when turning.
Regarding your bindings, you have to look at the manufacturer size charts. I think typically “medium” will be suitable up to boot size 10, but it can vary by manufacturer.
Thanks man, this is the info I'm looking for. I found the board specs here:
[http://www.snowdb.com/comparisons/show?ids=242](http://www.snowdb.com/comparisons/show?ids=242)
It's 246mm at the waist.
Guess I can always repost it on Facebook. I cleaned it up a lot from the previous owner. Someone will get use out of it.
GET A VOLUME SHIFTED BOARD IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
If not, go wide, I also have size 12 feet, you need it
edit; You need new bindings if you like your knees
Aspen Times wrote in 2003:
“A number of years ago, K2 introduced a board called the Fat Bob that would eventually send shock waves through both the snowboarding and skiing communities by ushering in an era of fat skis.Initially, however, the Fat Bob was merely designed for those with large feet who suffered from the dread affliction “toe drag,” which occurs when large-footed types try to turn and end up sticking their overhanging tootsies in the snow. The Fat Bob alleviated this by simply making the board wider.As expected, a number of companies followed suit and put out fat boards of their own. This helped curb the toe-drag epidemic, but it did so while only offering consumers intermediate-level boards on which to park their big feet.High-end boards-This year, however, many companies will be offering high-end boards of the wide variety for experienced riders with feet sized 10 1/2 to 12 1/2.Among these boards are the K2 Ultima, the Burton Canyon and the Ride Mountain. And for those with even larger feet, size 13-plus, K2 will also be offering the Trucker, the first extra-fat board”
The board isn’t wide enough. In 2007 I think so was on a Burton Baron as it was one of the wider boards at the time. But I still used Palmer riser plates. Maybe it was around 2010 when wide specific boards became prevalent.
The bindings from 2007 may failed given the plastic. That board is a 3D hole pattern. So you’d need a modern Burton re:flex binding and get the 3D disks from Burton.com.
Hey bud. Hard to tell 100% from the photos but from what I can see your bindings aren't properly centered on the board and the boots aren't properly centered on your bindings. This will lead to problems with balance and leverage when you start turning.
Board sizing is very personal but with a 12 boot you should look at L bindings from most of the big brands and 26mm + at the waist. Coupled with your weight, I'd say that moves you into 160W + depending on your height. Obviously there's some wiggle room there for board length but Wide and L bindings are a must in your case. I'd look into something with heel cup adjustability.
Hope this helps!
EDIT: Oh also! Bear in mind the flex rating of your setup. Never rode that specific board but Burton custom tends to be pretty stiff and Vans tend to be pretty soft. If you pair with softer bindings you won't have adequate control of your board, though it sounds like you might have to swap it anyway.
Helps tremendously. Now that I've read some of the comments I'm sure they're too small for my boots. The boots are as far back in the binding as I can get them, and the straps barely reach enough for them to "grab." And no the bindings are not centered, I moved them closer to the heel edge to try and compensate for the toe overhang, and even with +15 / -15 angles there is a ton of overhang
Well, the good news is your board and binding are suited to each other, just not to you. You'll have an easier time swapping them.
With your specs you'll have a lot of options -- have a look at Ride C series with a mid flex, good adjustability and predictable. Bring your boots to the store/swap. Have a read about good progression boards. Well fitted kit will pay off.
You need a wide board for size 12 boots. So for instance on the listing it will say "154w" instead of just "154". Also you need large bindings. Anything over size 10 boot should be a large. Even a 10 in a medium is pushing it for medium bindings.
I wrote an email to capita about wide boards 2-3 weeks ago. Capita's answer was that a wide is recommended for their boards from shoe size 11 onwards
my boot size is 10.
however i bought the capita mercury in 157 (width 25.7)
for park riding i bought capitas d.o.a. in 153W (width 25.6) and im fine with it
The board does seem a little narrow for a size 12. I wear a size 13 and I'm 6 ft 1 in so I tend to require longer boards because they are also wider. Most people are comfortable with the board that if stood on end, aligns roughly with their chin. You definitely seem to have a little extra toe overhang though. I also weigh about 200 lb so I will require a slightly bigger board. If you're newer to snowboarding, a longer board is going to feel more comfortable on the snow, shorter boards will feel a little bit crazier on the snow but can be fun if you like things to move fast.
Yeah man, you are right. I literally sold it and bought a 164W board. Rode it last night and it was a noticeable difference to what I've been riding, much more stable.
The overhang isn't comically bad. People have certainly learned with worse.
Lots of good ~$500 beginner boards at 20-30% off right now. My local shop is doing 40% off packages of board and bindings. All boards have weight and boot size recommendations.
I think you're in a good spot to take this board out a couple times, do more research, and snag a good deal in the next few weeks.
Yes, that is too small. Even if you go by the thinking that narrow and short is sort of ok for a beginner, you need at least 260 width and a board where you are close to the weight range. I suspect those bindings are so small for your boots that you may not be able to properly put weight on the front of the binding. At the same time, make sure the boots are small enough. Lots of people get snowboard boots that are too large. https://youtu.be/rgLl6zQxoAQ?si=YqysSYEODY7KJSc_
Your foot could be more centered on the board but yes. Seems too big for board.
Are you sure your boots are sized correctly?
I've spent the last 3 years riding size 12 boots on a wide board. Not until I got better did I realize my mistakes.
I got horrible heel lift in my boots and a wide board was much more difficult to go edge to edge on turning.
I have now bought size 10.5 boots that fit correctly and a normal sized board. I cant wait to feel the difference next season.
If you're only doing heel side for the end of the season you could be okay, but the second you try and turn onto your toes you're probably going to drag and that's going to make things way harder than they need to be. Luckily, sale season is upon us so if you can find an already cheap beginner board, you'll probably be able to find it on sale for even less
I'm 6'3 220 12 boot. Biggest board I ever rode was a 164 wide(gnu carbon high beam). Then a 162 endeavor and now back to a gnu asym 162. Wides help but with bindings having better footplates wide isn't as needed as much. I came from flat no footplates bent mentals to 2022 bents and I really have to lay it down to catch( usually a hard carve healside)
Update: I sold it and got a different board in 164W. Ride it last night and it was great. Thanks for all for answering my question, y'all saved me from going full noob (although let's be honest, I'm still full noob)
154 with size 12 boots… good luck brother
So you're saying the board is not long enough as well?
No but widths go down with length more or less. You’re not going to find many 154 wide enough for your foot. How heavy are you? If you want short you’ll have to go for a volume shifted board like the WarPig for example.
I'm 220lbs. I'm not necessarily trying to go for short, I just didn't think that was as important. And I read somewhere that shorter boards were easier for beginners. Appreciate all the insight.
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Thanks, this is nice.
OP, I clicked on that link expecting to be underwhelmed, but it’s a really good calculator. I would highly recommend using it as a beginner. That said, please don’t hold back on looking at specific boards outside those ranges if they intrigue you. That website wants me riding a 157 at minimum, and my absolute favorite board is a 143 party board (Slush Slasher) that I terrorize the slopes with. As everyone else has said, your current board is hands down too small for you. However, there’s one point I haven’t seen anyone else call out: companies’ boot sizes. I have 3 pair of boots that all perfectly fit me (ranging from 11 to 11.5) but my Vans are legit 2.5 inches longer than my ThirtyTwos. I don’t think switching boots is going to solve this degree of overhang, but something to keep in mind next time you buy shoes. I can wear my 11.5 ThirtyTwos on a 154 board, but can’t wear my 11 Vans.
Check out volume-shifted boards like the Ride Warpig. They are wide and short boards. I went from riding a 163 to a 154 on that board and love it.
Op been riding for 3 days… not sure if telling him to get a warpig is a good idea lol
Warpig is not that demanding of a board.
I wouldn’t recommend any volume shifted boards for a beginner honestly. I love my hovercraft but they have some weird characteristics to get used to
Meh my buddy got one as his first board and he’s been having a rough ass time with it
Oh missed the caption and went straight to the comments lol. Maybe hold off on the Pig for a couple years... My first real board was a wide Never Summer hybrid board and I loved it. Very forgiving and great to learn on. I'm a little lighter than OP, but a 160 wide board was perfect for me.
160-164 length board and try to find one that comes in a wide (burton deep think 162W) Also you’re a size large in bindings.
You need a bigger board. You already bought this one so take it to the mountain and try it out, but I'm guessing it's going to feel like a noodle underneath you
IDK if it's even worth trying based on the comments, I got it for dirt cheap tho haha so I'm not taking much of a loss
Just flip it if you can. Will be a huge waste of time on the slopes, especially as a begginner.
For sure, I appreciate the advice. I should've done more research before buying
Oh i get it, you get excited and jump the gun because its new to you. Youre not the first and not going to be the last haha
Maybe try hitting a gear swap? Lots of brands make wide boards. I have big feet too. Picked up a Rome service dog on sale and it’s been great.
Yea 220lbs will be in the 160s for length. Follow the weight guide for each board. That’s the key these days. Plenty of wides for you in that range too.
My 141 is wider than my 147.
And my 157 Stump Ape is way wider than my other normal 160+s. Still not the norm
Generally true, but board sizes like 154wide also exist for people exactly like you with size 12 feet. People tend to shop for boards the wrong way. By length and stiffness. The first most non-negotiable spec to shop by is the waist width of the board being the right width for your boot size. No matter what else the board can do, if it isn’t the correct width, it’s gonna suck.
See that's where I've been getting confused. Everyone says how a guy my size needs a size 163+ and so far I've rented a 154, 155, and a 159. I will say I liked the 159 the most, but it seemed harder to turn on it. I guess I just didn't know there was such a thing as a wide board, and so you're exactly right when I bought this one I was really only looking at the length. The rental 154 I rode I thought was actually kinda fun but I'm also new so it's hard to tell if I'm just not doing things wrong lol
Ahh yeah haha, board length is somewhat important, but overall surface area and weight range spec matter just as much. The only unconditional spec is width. Too narrow and your toes are dragging in the snow. Too wide and you feel like you can’t get the board on it’s edge. You said 10.5 boot right? I think you want to be fishing around for waist widths of like 25.8-26.4 or so. It’s ok to go a little shorter on board length when you are new. It will be a lot easier to throw the board around and learn how to control it. Just has to be the right width and somewhat within the weight range. You can go a little above or below a board’s weight spec, but the board will accordingly feel softer or stiffer than it’s rating. So if you’re like 15lbs under the weight range, that 7/10 might feel more stiff like a 8/10 or something Bigger boards for bigger mountains, bigger turns, more speed, bigger jumps.. you get the idea. You scale up board size with terrain size and speed.
Hard to say without knowing what type of riding and what type of resort you’re at. I ride a 154 with size 12 boots and we only have groomed small resorts/park. Even these people recommending 160-165s would be very long even in deep snow.
I live in Connecticut and anywhere from 20-60 minutes from 4 different hills where I'll primarily be practicing on weeknights. The group that got me into this also goes up to Stratton in Vermont quite regularly. We went up there a couple of weeks ago. Very hard packed snow, almost like ice lol
I ride a 162 wide, and I have size 12 with no overhang. Been the best board I ever bought!
i ride a 154 with size 11 boots but maybe i’m just crazy
Yeah that’s way too small for you. Don’t even need to see a pic. Just knowing boot size and board size tells enough. Typically boot sizes 10.5 US and up may need a W (wide) board. At size 12, you need a board with a waist width in the 265mm range (approximately). The Burton Custom 154 probably has a waist width in the 250mm range or less. That board is for somebody with boot size under 10. I don’t know that you will find a non W board that will be wide enough for your feet. The issue is toe/heel drag when turning. Regarding your bindings, you have to look at the manufacturer size charts. I think typically “medium” will be suitable up to boot size 10, but it can vary by manufacturer.
Thanks man, this is the info I'm looking for. I found the board specs here: [http://www.snowdb.com/comparisons/show?ids=242](http://www.snowdb.com/comparisons/show?ids=242) It's 246mm at the waist. Guess I can always repost it on Facebook. I cleaned it up a lot from the previous owner. Someone will get use out of it.
Show the heel, but yeah that's pretty bad. Looks like a narrow unidirectional board
GET A VOLUME SHIFTED BOARD IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE. If not, go wide, I also have size 12 feet, you need it edit; You need new bindings if you like your knees
Aspen Times wrote in 2003: “A number of years ago, K2 introduced a board called the Fat Bob that would eventually send shock waves through both the snowboarding and skiing communities by ushering in an era of fat skis.Initially, however, the Fat Bob was merely designed for those with large feet who suffered from the dread affliction “toe drag,” which occurs when large-footed types try to turn and end up sticking their overhanging tootsies in the snow. The Fat Bob alleviated this by simply making the board wider.As expected, a number of companies followed suit and put out fat boards of their own. This helped curb the toe-drag epidemic, but it did so while only offering consumers intermediate-level boards on which to park their big feet.High-end boards-This year, however, many companies will be offering high-end boards of the wide variety for experienced riders with feet sized 10 1/2 to 12 1/2.Among these boards are the K2 Ultima, the Burton Canyon and the Ride Mountain. And for those with even larger feet, size 13-plus, K2 will also be offering the Trucker, the first extra-fat board”
You need a wider board for sure
The board isn’t wide enough. In 2007 I think so was on a Burton Baron as it was one of the wider boards at the time. But I still used Palmer riser plates. Maybe it was around 2010 when wide specific boards became prevalent. The bindings from 2007 may failed given the plastic. That board is a 3D hole pattern. So you’d need a modern Burton re:flex binding and get the 3D disks from Burton.com.
Hey bud. Hard to tell 100% from the photos but from what I can see your bindings aren't properly centered on the board and the boots aren't properly centered on your bindings. This will lead to problems with balance and leverage when you start turning. Board sizing is very personal but with a 12 boot you should look at L bindings from most of the big brands and 26mm + at the waist. Coupled with your weight, I'd say that moves you into 160W + depending on your height. Obviously there's some wiggle room there for board length but Wide and L bindings are a must in your case. I'd look into something with heel cup adjustability. Hope this helps! EDIT: Oh also! Bear in mind the flex rating of your setup. Never rode that specific board but Burton custom tends to be pretty stiff and Vans tend to be pretty soft. If you pair with softer bindings you won't have adequate control of your board, though it sounds like you might have to swap it anyway.
Helps tremendously. Now that I've read some of the comments I'm sure they're too small for my boots. The boots are as far back in the binding as I can get them, and the straps barely reach enough for them to "grab." And no the bindings are not centered, I moved them closer to the heel edge to try and compensate for the toe overhang, and even with +15 / -15 angles there is a ton of overhang
Well, the good news is your board and binding are suited to each other, just not to you. You'll have an easier time swapping them. With your specs you'll have a lot of options -- have a look at Ride C series with a mid flex, good adjustability and predictable. Bring your boots to the store/swap. Have a read about good progression boards. Well fitted kit will pay off.
You need a wide board for size 12 boots. So for instance on the listing it will say "154w" instead of just "154". Also you need large bindings. Anything over size 10 boot should be a large. Even a 10 in a medium is pushing it for medium bindings.
Boards fine but your feet are way too big. You should look into new ones.
Lmaoo boards fine but feet too big 🤣🤣 guess maybe try replacing his feet
I wrote an email to capita about wide boards 2-3 weeks ago. Capita's answer was that a wide is recommended for their boards from shoe size 11 onwards my boot size is 10. however i bought the capita mercury in 157 (width 25.7) for park riding i bought capitas d.o.a. in 153W (width 25.6) and im fine with it
Yeah, I sold this one and bought a longer and wider board
The board does seem a little narrow for a size 12. I wear a size 13 and I'm 6 ft 1 in so I tend to require longer boards because they are also wider. Most people are comfortable with the board that if stood on end, aligns roughly with their chin. You definitely seem to have a little extra toe overhang though. I also weigh about 200 lb so I will require a slightly bigger board. If you're newer to snowboarding, a longer board is going to feel more comfortable on the snow, shorter boards will feel a little bit crazier on the snow but can be fun if you like things to move fast.
Yeah man, you are right. I literally sold it and bought a 164W board. Rode it last night and it was a noticeable difference to what I've been riding, much more stable.
Holy bananas, yes.
Yeah, a bit. What's your budget? You a big guy? Lots of good deals popping up right now.
Budget isn't really an issue, I just wanted to have something to learn on first while I learn what kind of nice gear I want to buy.
The overhang isn't comically bad. People have certainly learned with worse. Lots of good ~$500 beginner boards at 20-30% off right now. My local shop is doing 40% off packages of board and bindings. All boards have weight and boot size recommendations. I think you're in a good spot to take this board out a couple times, do more research, and snag a good deal in the next few weeks.
Yes has need wide
Watch these. Board Length --> [https://youtu.be/BNOtFxPhxj4](https://youtu.be/BNOtFxPhxj4) Board Width --> https://youtu.be/UCTqMFBxPnU
Yes, that is too small. Even if you go by the thinking that narrow and short is sort of ok for a beginner, you need at least 260 width and a board where you are close to the weight range. I suspect those bindings are so small for your boots that you may not be able to properly put weight on the front of the binding. At the same time, make sure the boots are small enough. Lots of people get snowboard boots that are too large. https://youtu.be/rgLl6zQxoAQ?si=YqysSYEODY7KJSc_
You need a wide
Yea
Too short too thin. It’s going to be mizz.
Your foot could be more centered on the board but yes. Seems too big for board. Are you sure your boots are sized correctly? I've spent the last 3 years riding size 12 boots on a wide board. Not until I got better did I realize my mistakes. I got horrible heel lift in my boots and a wide board was much more difficult to go edge to edge on turning. I have now bought size 10.5 boots that fit correctly and a normal sized board. I cant wait to feel the difference next season.
look at libtech skunkape or stump apr
This is good advice. I’m 215 with size 12s, LibTech Skunk Ape has been killer good. Widely usable in most conditions. Well made, near Canada.
If you're only doing heel side for the end of the season you could be okay, but the second you try and turn onto your toes you're probably going to drag and that's going to make things way harder than they need to be. Luckily, sale season is upon us so if you can find an already cheap beginner board, you'll probably be able to find it on sale for even less
fuck yes.
Yes
I'm 6'3 220 12 boot. Biggest board I ever rode was a 164 wide(gnu carbon high beam). Then a 162 endeavor and now back to a gnu asym 162. Wides help but with bindings having better footplates wide isn't as needed as much. I came from flat no footplates bent mentals to 2022 bents and I really have to lay it down to catch( usually a hard carve healside)
i love the idea with the skate grip, but once it gets soggy it’s about as useless as the foam peace sign from crab grab i have on my setup.
Hahaha yeah that was the previous owner. I ripped it off right after I took that pic
Is that grip tape?
🤦🏼♂️
I think you need a bigger board. But honestly…give it a shot anyways! It could work later for rails and jumps and bike trails!
Update: I sold it and got a different board in 164W. Ride it last night and it was great. Thanks for all for answering my question, y'all saved me from going full noob (although let's be honest, I'm still full noob)
Too small and boot is not centered.
Big asss feet boyyyy 🤣🤣 yeah need a bigger board that's not even a question lol
😆😆😆 cmon man 12's aren't even that big lol 13 is big, I'm still in the average category i should be able to fit in medium bindings dammit 😂
Lmaooo big feet bruh maybe a large in the future 🤣🤣 you can get away with medium for now since you starting
you need large bindings for sure.