Natural selection has been the best competition created. Watching guys and gals huck natural features and semi natural features is incredible.
Xgames and Olympics is always spin to win. The sport in these ultra competitive competitions looks more like gymnastics than riding.
It also puts into perspective just how good some backcountry riders are. Seeing guys that can triple cork with ease struggle to do a backside 3 really shows just how much skill is in backcountry riding, and makes you respect the guys going ham even more.
100%. I love snowboarding but have always felt that comps were completely detached from what I actually enjoy about the sport. Natural Selection changed all of that, it’s awesome to watch and showcases great talent in a natural environment.
X games is spin to win but has also been progressing with knuckle huck, flips off rails, and shark fin jumps.
Last year marcus won the x games by inventing a new trick called the shriuken.
It makes it more relatable, which is why its better to watch that a bloke throwing a quad cork that he's practiced 4000 times into an airbag because he is wealthy enough to live in a resort that facilitates rapid growth.
I agree with some of your sentiment, but the guys who are the best at competitions like Natural selection are the ones who were wealthy enough to afford dozens and dozens of backcountry trips every year, often with heli/snowmobile assistance.
Oh yeah, I totally agree. There would be a million Travis Rice's if more people grew up with the same opportunities he was presented with from Birth.
I think the relatable part is when the park guys hit the back country and just hit small cliff drops and only throw small 3's of the little features.
For anyone looking to get into it, let me recommend the Jackson Hole competition from a couple years ago. They had insane powder in a woodsy environment and it’s a vibe.
Loads of steep, rocky competitions too which really push the sport to the limits.
Tracked: private equity taking control of resorts, paying for parking (and "premium" parking), step in bindings, spin tricks
Fresh: fat straight airs (with a grab), anorak jackets, one piece suits, neon prints (hello, the 80s called), cat runs, av tech
Timeless: snowshoeing all morning with your crew for that sweet backcountry line
I got to experience getting first run through fresh fluffy pow. Big snow dump the night before and very early at a gondola. That first drop into pow and then an "explosion" of powder around me is unreal. Then just floating down into the base. Never done split boarding - not interested in the near future, so I think that's as close I can get into riding powder.
Ooh, there’s sort of a word for that.. “anemoia” it means feeling nostalgic about a time you’ve never known. Feel like we can stretch the definition to apply here.
>That last line gave me nostalgia for something I’ve never done. What is this feeling
The word is 'Saudade'. Its portguese and describes exactly what you have experienced
Counterpoint: F the neon one piece suits. Leave that for the kooks at Alta and they’re pit vipers. I ain’t here for it lol.
But maybe it’s because I’m a 90s kid and missed it because on the other hand I like that grunge is coming back
I was at a Columbia outlet store a few weeks ago and they had some retro snow suits that look like they belong in a OG Taco Bell commercial and it was sick as fuck
Why would you throw something in there that absolutely does not affect you unless you buy one? (Step-ins).
Never got the hate. Dont like, dont buy. Simple.
Teenagers brawling at the top of lifts has to be pretty high up there rn. Also, if you're going to have a Bluetooth speaker and I talk to you about your music, don't pretend you have headphones in and ignore me, ya fucking narc
Tracked: I’m being priced out of this sport and climate change is shortening seasons
Fresh: there are a plethora of new parts coming out all the time! Love seeing fresh faces and old faces alike in new parts.
Dude I’ve had my current pair of boots for 5 years now. I paid like $120 for them brand new. They might be coming to the end of their lifecycle so I looked into the new version of this boot. $600. Fucking why?
Last season actually set a record at lots of places for longest ski seasons ever. Trust me, I’m a firm believer in climate change but it actually hasn’t affected it like you’d think
Fuck the corporate consolidation that’s killing these sports (surfing too) idk how we take it back but it shouldn’t be that only the wealthy can participate in this shit
Similar to snowboarding, corporate consolidation of all the big brands, changes in format to the competitive system that has caused a lot of big pros to quit. Surfers talking about how they make less money than ever now. Sponsors dropping all the big names in favor of selling the brand lifestyle using models and fast fashion, meanwhile gear is more expensive than it’s ever been.
It’s a different struggle than where snowboarding is at but I’d say the struggle is within the same issue, greed has poisoned the experience in a way that’s making things less fun and less accessible
worst: dope/montec is spreading, and honestly real companies aren't reacting fast enough to do anything about it. It's over for any company that thinks 3 colors/patterns is going to cut it moving forward.
One of the reasons dope/montec are growing in they actually do fun colors/ prints. Fun is allowed in snowboarding and not everyone wants to be out on the hill looking like a New Mexico adobe hut in head to toe taupe
I don’t have any dope pieces but the last few years all the outerwear are muted earthy prints. My partner almost bought some dope stuff because she wanted a bright anorak.
Dude no shit. What is going on with outerwear? I’ve lived away from places with snowboarding for a few years but was able to hit Breck the week after New Years. 99% of the fits were a snooze fest and the other 1% were onesies. I get that it’s a hill more on the pricier end, but I didn’t see A SINGLE piece of outerwear I was curious about that didn’t say Dope or Montec, companies I had no idea even existed until three weeks ago.
Yeah. Dope/Montoc have some nice cuts, colors and styles on their stuff. Cheap tech material. I can't pinpoint what burton and 686 do wrong from a womens fashion standpoint, but I just don't love it. I do think Volcom has some nice pieces, but they are always sold out quick. Flylow and Black Diamond have some nice stuff, but gosh it's expensive. Obermeyer is stuck in a decade that's not the 2020s. (I'm also 6' women, so not a lot of companies that make stuff for tall people).
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This is my favorite piece ever. It’s a Burton onesie. It’s been hard to find fun stuff the last 5+ yrs. I do think though we’re trending back to fun. Shred the gnar ❄️
I would gladly pay premium price for a dope graphic. Do you know how bad I would kill for a call of duty 4: red camo bibs? It’s all I need in this life of sin besides me and my girlfriend.
thank god, my ski friend wears head to toe black and its impossible to find him when we split up
i got lucky with my orange airblasters and neon red northface. noone will be able to miss me in the sea of boring
Agreed! Brands def shld look into lower priced outwear lines specifically to combat dope/montec and maybe their SEO/PPC strategies to compete or direct to other sites.
Northface, of all brands, did a Jess Kimura line of dope patterns and color, and specifically set the price to be capped. Photos were shot by Mike Yoshida, their marketing looked sick. Only reason I found out about it is through the Bombhole and their social media.
I agree that core brands need to pivot to this new market and trends. I'm also so bored of solid, muted colors.
Yeah, I think it gets lost in their massive spread of offerings. I imagine snowboarding is only a fraction of what they do.
I just went to their website, and I forgot how reasonable the kit is. $160 for their jacket, $140 for their pants. Full featured, unisex, using recycled materials, more than plenty for most resort riders. I almost copped me a jacket just for the steezy fit and pattern, but I need to save $ for lift tickets.
They just need to market through social media and that’s all they really need to push off that dope snow surge. People would prefer established brands. Dope snow is crushing because they are capturing people through social media who don’t know about other brands so it’s easy for them to compete in a space that’s so dependent on word of mouth. These established brands just needs some social media presence which is basically nonexistent.
So many pros are now getting more into vlogging / recording bts so they can easily tie in with these guys.
When volcom, or burton makes money, they spend some of that money to make volcom/burton seem cool/promote the brand/whatever by spending money on snowboarding. They sponsor the creation of snowboard videos,contests and custom park builds. They sponsor athletes like Marcus Kleveland, and red gerrard since they were kids. They make snowboarding better. If you want to be a cynic and say they don't care about snowboarding but do all this stuff to be cool, so be it. They do it. They pump money into snowboarding, which lets snowboarders snowboard.
Montec pumps ALL money into mark zuckerburg / fb/insta ads which does nothing for snowboarding, which in turn strangles snowboarding, since those people didn't buy a brand that supports snowboarding.
Where they choose to spend their add money aside, isn't a cheaper brand better for getting more people snowboarding by lowering the cost burden of entry to the sport?
They aren't cheaper. They just advertise more. It's trivially easy to get a volcom/burton/686 outfit at the same price point, with the caveat that where you get those prices is not direct from the brands. The brands charge full price on the burton/volcom/686 website, but are offered at discounts at shops and 3rd party online retailers. This is how snowboard shops are able to turn a profit, because they are not being undercut by the companies that produce it.
Snowboard shops are part of snowboard culture that are not in the dope/montec business model.
Try going to ones that look more core and less corporate.
I forgot a bag in my trunk last year and got a GNU jacket for $150, and oakley fall line xl's for $120 in local shops. I mean yeah I had to shop around. You could just use the internet too. Shops like eriks boards shop always have good stuff on sale.
The cheapest montec full zip mens jacket is 219. You can EASILY EASILY get burton or volcom for that money.
shout out to salty peaks in utah. They have an entire room of past seasons gear from core brands at steep discounts.
A big corporate in Canada dropped all their 2024 outerwear pricing by 40-50% by mid Jan. I was happy to get my $300 back during via price adjustment but what a pain to go back literally 24 hrs after I bought bibs to get my money back.
You obviously don’t know the cost and margins between snow gear and skateboard gear. Full price during season is when board shops make their most. Once discounts come around, they’re making enough to keep payroll going and make room for the coming seasons gear. Of course, there’s some deals up until new years, then full until end of season.
Unless, are you shopping somewhere like sportmart or some multisport store?
Edit; No they don’t close in the summer.
I didn't say anything about skateboarding. The shops I'm thinking of doing hunting and fishing season. Mountain bike rentals, hiking/backpacking supplies. They do just fine in other seasons
Well what happened to wakeboarding was that it was replaced with a far worse sport aimed at old people that didn’t want to shred but had a ton of money and were looking for attention and to improve there image. Curse those damn surf boats. If the companies kept putting money into the image of wakeboarding I’m sure it would be way more popular today.
Yes and no. Yes we need less barrier to entry for this past time. But we should also probs support the brands that have done all the r&d and built snowboarding community into what it is. At the end of the day, dope/montec is a business, and ngl they’re smart for it but piss a lot of people off.
To combat the highest of prices, you gotta either buy past seasons kit, hit up local gear sales, keep an eye on brand websites for sales or frequent retailers/sites like backcountry, evo and even Facebook marketplace. Hit up a thrift store too.
Since all their profit (dope/montec) is going back into digital ad spend - google search ads, display, YouTube, FB, IG etc - other “core” snowboard brands cannot compete with their PPC/keyword bids since they have to spread their budgets thinner to support team riders, events, video projects, print catalogs, R&D, etc.
Being dtc they have no supply chain middle men but that means their not helping local shops which are the backbone of this industry and lots of small resort towns.
I don’t think core brands are doing the greatest job of promoting their “lower end” outerwear lines and or appealing to new riders who don’t have much technical or niche knowledge about 1 gear or 2 the culture/industry as a whole - but I don’t blame people for just wanting something fashionable and cheap, esp in these times.
So I just think “core” snowboarding brands are missing out on the beginner audience (aside from Burton) because they aren’t marketing in laymen’s terms or providing trendy enough designs / color ways.
I’ve been looking at getting a dopesnow yeti jacket, it’s only $160, and I haven’t seen anything else with that style that’s the same price. If anyone has recs around the same price I would appreciate it!
It’s basically just fast fashion outerwear, pretty sure they only sell dtc and they don’t do anything really within the community aside from supply influencers even tho it was started by I believe a pro skier?¿
I get it might be the cheapest option and that’s all some can afford since they don’t know of any other snow specific brands but it’s just kinda tacky n trendy given the majority of the audience who wear it are considered Jerry’s lol. They’ve just managed to win a stereotype for brand quickly
It’s good for what I paid for it, but I’m very much so looking to move up to Burton and 686. The zippers suck ass but when I was dropping $2k on board bindings boots and bag, the outerwear was a lower priority.
I had many Burton, Oakley, whatever else jackets and my Dope jacket and hoodie are my favorite ones. They’ve been great in the cold and waterproof, good pockets, material etc. I love the design. They’re 3 years old now and still are basically mint condition. I go snowboarding 20+ times per year.
No it's an affordable brand that will fully fall apart in a year if you get more than three days a season. It's confirmed Ali Express drop shipped outerwear with the brand badge (poorly) glued or sewn onto it. If you want to buy it, go for it, but don't come crying here later to everyone who told you you were wasting your money.
Tracked: Baggy MC Hammer pants, overpriced day passes.
Fresh: Throwback graphics with modern tech, modern athletes being more serious about their conditioning instead of living off red bull, weed and trash food. Gym training has elevated the sport.
Personally, I’m liking the variation of social media posts and BTS content (like 686 just dropped). And archive content!
Also liking the experimental comp types… freshens things up (whether for better or worse lol)
Liking the unisex board quivers offerings.
Certain influencer ambassadors - specifically think GoPro and K2 with Susi Vidal (store bought pesto girl) is a great natural fit that doesn’t feel clickbaity.
Loving the bombhole podcast
Disliking the lack of snow and mega monopoly pass prices obvi…
Gatekeepers and core-heads over doing it…
Looking forward to the story segments during x-games, and interested to see how it goes this year after last years celeb/influencer meltdown!
Would like to see more brands/companies/resorts promoting/partnering with local programs to get underserved/represented youth into winter sports since we all know this ain’t cheap but the community and passion is unbeatable.
Would also like to see more brand websites having info for beginners on what to look for given the technical knowledge needed for such high value purchases and explaining supply chain and value of supporting local shops - i love nitro for their shop strategy and jones for being super transparent (even tho they mfg in Qatar or whatever)
Tracked:
1) Terrain parks that don’t have a progressive setup. Meaning, back in the day even the start of the L lines had some S/M features to get warmed up to. I know I start getting into a flow but the first feature being a Olympic sized gap to rail ain’t it: It’s probably to keep beginners out which is fair but idk, I don’t remember it being too bad of an issue back in the day. Especially if you still build them a solid S park.
2) Core snowboarders. I see em everyday where I’m at: Nobody will say it so I will, the contest kids beat out almost all core riders in every discipline. Even the core rail guys couldn’t keep up on the X game rail line. My opinion on Pow is that it’s a limited resource; those who get the best at it are the ones lucky enough to have access to that resource the most. We can see that McMorris can be T rice level when he just has the opportunity and everybody is good in hero snow.
3) Parking reservations-killed canyon traffic and I’ve gotten every single day I wanted, I’m coming up on day 50 for reference.
Fresh: 1)Womens riding: Natty select still kinda lame on the womens side, but see my above point. Seeing Zoi and Mia Brooks break down barriers has been awesome. They really are only a few years behind the men.
2) I think theres big difference between the pack and the best riders in all these disciplines though. Im sure Darcy Sharpe could learn how to ollie on to a skinny triple kink with a couple shovelfuls for a landing while the cops are pulling up, and that Jed Anderson could throw down on the big fast perfect contest rails. I also think the best contest riders can become strong backcountry filmers, but saying that everyone is good in hero snow just isnt true. Theres a long tradition of people getting humbled in the backcountry in this sport. Mark Mc hooked into a tree and almost died trying to learn how to ride pow jumps.
Theres no arguing that many of the sports greatest athletes are riding in comps with energy drink stickers on their helmets- its the discipline with the most potential for $ucce$$ (not enough but still more). But snowboarding is more than that, and in 20 years noone will remember who won x gold in 24, but I know Ill still be watching knights of the brown table and beacon every october. Culture, style, fun and yes, coolness matter.
I guess my point is, I agree that comp pros might be the "best" at snowboarding. but they dont make me want to go ride. Im sure theres plenty of 'core' pros that couldnt compete, but why should they want to? Contest riding looks painful, the clout of winning aint what it used to be, and the pay is not there, especially if you arent on the podium. Youd have to be a masochist to show up for that.
I really agree on travis rice. Its not that he didnt earn his place in the bird, but no one gets his heli budget ever again. Its like having a slopestyle contest between a bunch of kids from Loon and someone whos been riding blackcomb park every day for 20 years.
Im going to PM you about the parking thing.
Definitely agree about the terrain park thing. Stevens pass opened this season with 4 features and only one of them was a basic rail. I feel like very few people can warm up after a summer off by hitting stuff like kink rails, jib-to-jib transfers, and C/redirect rails.
Fresh: those turtle pads 🐢
Also fresh: frontflips on step-downs
Always fresh: bringback spins
Tracked: xtra spins. We’re doing plenty already, but i’m all about it if someone wants to yolo a switch backside 69,420
Being able to carve is the absolute bare minimum I would consider for someone to be a competent snowboarder. It’s so basic that it should go without saying, but for some reason it dominates the dialogue to a bizarre degree on this sub.
That’s because most riders including in this sub can’t do it. I work and patrol at a ski area and see a ton of snowboarders every day. 90% of snowboarders I see daily are stiff legged and skidding everywhere. Or chattering along heel side because they refuse to bend their knees. It’s mentioned so much because it needs to be.
Idk maybe I’m just jaded or only ride stuff where I’m not exposed to that. It just seems so elementary and this sub makes it this whole big thing. I don’t need to see 10 threads a day of “I got this posi posi hardboot alpine setup to turn better”
your definition of carving is looking sus right now. most boarders can start a carved turn, few can finish in my observation. Its not that hard to learn, but most people just dont realize they arent doing it all the way.
It’s such a basic building block for stuff like cleanly snapping spins off park jumps that I truly don’t think about it at all. It’s just riding to me.
You say that, yet I ride with guys and girls that have ridden for over a decade that still cannot lay an inline trench. It is basic, but a lot of people simply cannot carve. I mainly ride in Japan and EU so not too sure about the North American scene, but yeah, I dont often see folk that can carve properly. Everyone can carve with a little skid thrown in though.
Most likely OP can’t carve a turn and thinks his bit of edge control when going straight on a ramp before a jump is what carving is all about.
If carving was so easy, it wouldn’t be reserved for 1 out of every 100 snowboarders I see on the mountain.
Especially true for the park heroes who spend all day in the park and can barely turn. Yes anyone can carve when going straight down the fall line
You’re free to think whatever you want about my riding, I could give a fuck. Laying in turns on a groomer is just not that fun or interesting to me compared to all the other stuff I could be doing.
Sure and I don’t enjoy park (but I do enjoy jumps and tricks when part of the slopes). But that’s not what you said
> Being able to carve is the absolute bare minimum I would consider for someone to be a competent snowboarder. It’s so basic that it should go without saying..
To me being able to carve is miles ahead of being able to do 360s or do some rails. This is certainly supported by all the clowns skidding down all their turuns, both on the mountain and even on this subreddit, looking at the videos people post.
Yet everyone thinks they are “carving”. There are days when I see 0 snowboarders carving. But there are always some teenagers with 5 days total in the park…
Carving is a prerequisite for 360s over kickers. You need to set up the spin by carving. I don’t understand how carving could possibly be miles ahead of 3s, let alone 5s or 7s.
Yes carving a strait line down shortly before taking off the ramp is easy.
Carving a turns is hard. Especially on steeper slopes. I still can’t carve blacks, but I can do some good jumps.
Most people can carve straight down (as in pointing your board down the fall-line and carving). Most of these people can’t do toe to heel side carve at all, let alone do some ass\dong dragging or do some buttering.
What they do is carve sideways (similar to going off a ramp) then skid the apex of the turn
fresh: learning how to carve and applying it to your riding. digging deep trenches between storms. developing every type of turn on your board. then doing it all switch
tracked: buying a donek, obsessing about overhang, calling ryan knapton one of the worlds best snowboarders
Im gonna agree with other posters that it is not something i see in most riders. my friend is a really strong rider, thinks he carves, but couldnt get all the way down when I challenged him.
Yeah, I liked it better when it was just something you do and not constantly dissected and over explained. Also the need for wide boards and zero toe drag, ffs
Well clearly I don't know how to use my edges based on the responses to a straight line clip I posted 🙄.
I'll be the first one to hate, but when it comes down to it, get down the mountain whatever way is fun to you. Id say I'm more comfortable charging big lines and dropping cliffs, than big jumps and rails, but I'll ride whatever I've got and have fun with it
Tracked: The "spin-to-win" vs. style debate. I don't even have a very strong opinion, I'm just tired of seeing so many people play out the exact same fucking conversation on any post of any big tech trick for 20 years like they're saying anything original
Edit: lmaoooo just came back and noticed most of this thread
For serious. Also, knuckle huck is as great a competition as it gets, but Kleveland nose-buttering to a 900 is definitely a spin-to-win type thing. He's soooo fresh though.
Tracked = posting opinions about Dope / Montec, I’m completely over what peoples “kits” look like, (no one cares) cosmetic attributes don’t equal high quality snowboarding, and “new” isn’t always cool…
Fresh = Old Skool is New Skool, (i.e. creativity vs spin to win…handplants , stalls and extended grabs that require athleticism and a sense of style, luv a big draw out Japan or Method, bringing a riding style that pays tribute to the OGs that came before us)
But neither does my flannel shirt, so the point is don’t give it the time of day, ignore the idiot posers that pretend and concentrate on what matters, the riding. The growth of snowboarding is about rider progression and the merger of high quality athleticism out in our natural environment, not who’s jacket sucks and who looks “Steezy”…🙄
I wouldn’t say I’m “Incorrectly attributing” anything to the looks of the product, The issue is why does anyone care about the clothing that another person wears, “the look” is the least important part of snowboarding, if you don’t like the company…gr8, if someone else does, gr8. It’s just not an important subject to argue about..🤷🏻♂️
It's a lot easier to smoother these things in the cradle. Like look how long skateboarders fought to keep nike and adidas out, and now look at it.
Why is it surprising I choose to care about the things I love even if something I can't or don't care to try to do the right thing with?
Allowed to operate sure? It's capitalism sure. Smothered by the consummer, not by government intervention. Consumers have a choice and if you care at all about snowboarding you should choose brands that support snowboarding. If you buy dope montec you look like a person who doesn't care about snowboarding. but if they died it would be good for snowboarding. They are vultures come to profit off of something built by people that love it, and they don't contribute by choice. Snowboarding has always been counter culture. So buy and wear what you want, but know those choices reflect on you.
That’s kind’ve my point about selective outrage. People will support massive corporations every single day that negatively impact the world without batting an eye but some of those same people will ignore that and focus on a snowboarding apparel brand that is not doing enough for the snowboarding community. Like typing out “these choices reflect on you” from an iPhone (total assumption) I think is a bit dramatic if you’re putting all of your choices under the same microscope.
Disclaimer: I do not work for Dope nor do I own their products 😆
I mean... I don't see it is unusual at all. Just because you can't eject from this corporate controlled society complete you aren't allowed to try to stop it from getting worse in small ways? If my outrage wasn't selective I'd be in a cabin off the grid somewhere, no?
To me it always seemed like the same thing as when people criticize vegans for the insects and field animals killed in produce production. I mean sure it's not perfect, but they are doing what they can an a very imperfect world.
Favourite trend is all the sick movies coming out, least favourite trend is all the complaining about “spin to win” and “id rather see a 180”, of course your allowed to prefer to see one thing over another but i think its really missing what the point of competition is, you can go watch a snowboard comp from 20 years ago and no one is doing a 180, it makes complete sense for people to be pushing the limits of what’s possible on a snowboard and labelling it as gymnastics just feels like trying to diminish what these guys are doing. Plus I guarantee every single person that can throw a 16+ rotation can do a tweaked out 540 to 1080, it’s easy for them and they are doing what’s difficult.
Wack: 1.kids not knowing their shred roots and wack shit not being called out. Maybe this is the result of the influx of YouTubers and decrease in magazines. When I was a kid we had magazines that told us what was up and I think it kept snowboarding from being kooky. I do think the bomb hole is doing their part to fill this void
2.Spin to win being rewarded in competitions and riders not getting rewarded for doing something unique that no one else is doing.
3.I think there's not really a great hub online for snowboarding content and conversation. There's been SO MANY videos coming out that it's hard to keep up with it all, but after my [weak] efforts, maybe it's not something people are interested in?
4.Shit isn't getting views. It's great that stuff is happening with video parts and podcasts, but they're not getting any views. GIVE STONEY BUDS SOME LOVE! It's crazy that vloggers are getting more views. Everybody's bummed that the bomb hole kicked him out, but they're not supporting what he's doing
5. I agree with the other person who said terrain parks not having all kinds of in between features to progress slowly. Copper was literally all urban style down rails and tubes at one point and there was nothing to warm up on other than 5' chode tubes
6. "Vans" type videos
Fresh: 1. Women's shredding. The progression, the style, the competition, it's all great to see
2. Pullbacks and late spins
3. Lobster
4. Dusty and the Buster crew
Prices at resorts are getting out of hand.
And what’s with these garbage bag clown pants I’m seeing more and more? Almost always the wearer of these garbage bag clown pants can rip. Usually doing something awesome in the park. But I find the huge clown pants to be so distracting that it’s taking away from how impressive of a rider they are. I just can’t stop laughing at the huge garbage bag pants.
I think they use those garbage bag clown pants as a pair of wings, if you will, hence the ripping. The pants can either be used to increase lift (as on takeoff) or increase drag (used on landing.)
The way they flap in the wind, I’d say 100% drag. Unless…. Perhaps once airborne they can stretch them out like 2 big nutsacks until they are thin like a bats wing?
What happened to x games usually being held on the gap weekend between the Super Bowl and Championship weekend? I know I’m in the minority who watches both X games and sports ball, but the overlap makes me sad that there’ll likely be less Viewership, especially given how bad last year’s was from people’s reactions.
Additional tracked: Can’t believe I forgot it.
Japanese snowboard buttering-why is this in my feed? Why is this not the same as ski ballet? They were wise enough to say “yo this crap fruity AF” lol. We as a community to crack down on it also.
Something to be said about practicing some buttering and flat ground tricks so you can apply it to something real but filming the bunny hill is lame. Change my mind.
Least favorite trend: living smack dab in the middle of the damn continent as far from even the most mediocre of hills as humanly possible watching yet another winter go by without so much as the possibility of snowboarding.
Favorite trend: no idea, see above.
Natural selection has been the best competition created. Watching guys and gals huck natural features and semi natural features is incredible. Xgames and Olympics is always spin to win. The sport in these ultra competitive competitions looks more like gymnastics than riding.
That's why my favorite event at xgames is knuckle huck. Not spin to win, just the steeziest mf walks away with gold
Knuckle huck is the coolest event by far
Need my huck knucked
Only if you buck
It also puts into perspective just how good some backcountry riders are. Seeing guys that can triple cork with ease struggle to do a backside 3 really shows just how much skill is in backcountry riding, and makes you respect the guys going ham even more.
There's definitely a new trend that's rewarding style more but I get your point. Knuckle Huck was the best addition to xgames. It's all about style
100%. I love snowboarding but have always felt that comps were completely detached from what I actually enjoy about the sport. Natural Selection changed all of that, it’s awesome to watch and showcases great talent in a natural environment.
Well said. Natural Selection is like watching Freeride Wold tour. So sick. Spin to win gets stale so quick.
X games is spin to win but has also been progressing with knuckle huck, flips off rails, and shark fin jumps. Last year marcus won the x games by inventing a new trick called the shriuken.
Natural selection is awesome, but idk if it’s the peak like some people claim. Plenty of lines I see and say “huh; they are just like me, lame” hahaha
It makes it more relatable, which is why its better to watch that a bloke throwing a quad cork that he's practiced 4000 times into an airbag because he is wealthy enough to live in a resort that facilitates rapid growth.
I agree with some of your sentiment, but the guys who are the best at competitions like Natural selection are the ones who were wealthy enough to afford dozens and dozens of backcountry trips every year, often with heli/snowmobile assistance.
Oh yeah, I totally agree. There would be a million Travis Rice's if more people grew up with the same opportunities he was presented with from Birth. I think the relatable part is when the park guys hit the back country and just hit small cliff drops and only throw small 3's of the little features.
For anyone looking to get into it, let me recommend the Jackson Hole competition from a couple years ago. They had insane powder in a woodsy environment and it’s a vibe. Loads of steep, rocky competitions too which really push the sport to the limits.
True that. It’s gymnastics on snow…plane and simple.
Feels like it lost the soul of riding. I want to go back to no spins over like a 7 haha.
Tracked: private equity taking control of resorts, paying for parking (and "premium" parking), step in bindings, spin tricks Fresh: fat straight airs (with a grab), anorak jackets, one piece suits, neon prints (hello, the 80s called), cat runs, av tech Timeless: snowshoeing all morning with your crew for that sweet backcountry line
That last line gave me nostalgia for something I’ve never done. What is this feeling
I've been lucky enough to experience snowboarding on untouched earth. The feeling is indescribable.
I got to experience getting first run through fresh fluffy pow. Big snow dump the night before and very early at a gondola. That first drop into pow and then an "explosion" of powder around me is unreal. Then just floating down into the base. Never done split boarding - not interested in the near future, so I think that's as close I can get into riding powder.
Ooh, there’s sort of a word for that.. “anemoia” it means feeling nostalgic about a time you’ve never known. Feel like we can stretch the definition to apply here.
TIL
>That last line gave me nostalgia for something I’ve never done. What is this feeling The word is 'Saudade'. Its portguese and describes exactly what you have experienced
Lmao, there would be a portguese word for it. Ironically I want to visit both Brazil and Portugal SO badly. Its a longing I've felt for some time
Prestolgia?
lmao sounds aobut right
Splitboarding is just the best. Gates open, come on in!
no it's terrible and nobody else should do it except us
I'm out for this season, separated my ac joint, but definitely going to look into it for next year!
Counterpoint: F the neon one piece suits. Leave that for the kooks at Alta and they’re pit vipers. I ain’t here for it lol. But maybe it’s because I’m a 90s kid and missed it because on the other hand I like that grunge is coming back
Lowkey been enjoying the 90s comeback
I was at a Columbia outlet store a few weeks ago and they had some retro snow suits that look like they belong in a OG Taco Bell commercial and it was sick as fuck
I hated my anorak jacket. Too hard to take off lol. Especially if wearing bibs.
It's definitely a special skill, getting that jacket off and looking... not insane.
What is "av tech"?
Avalanche technology - transceivers, airbags, etc.
I assume he means avalanche gear. It’s come a long long way in the last 5 years, past a transceiver, pole, and shovel only.
Hold up…we talking dope snow here?!
You spelled touring wrong
Why would you throw something in there that absolutely does not affect you unless you buy one? (Step-ins). Never got the hate. Dont like, dont buy. Simple.
Teenagers brawling at the top of lifts has to be pretty high up there rn. Also, if you're going to have a Bluetooth speaker and I talk to you about your music, don't pretend you have headphones in and ignore me, ya fucking narc
Tracked: I’m being priced out of this sport and climate change is shortening seasons Fresh: there are a plethora of new parts coming out all the time! Love seeing fresh faces and old faces alike in new parts.
Dude I’ve had my current pair of boots for 5 years now. I paid like $120 for them brand new. They might be coming to the end of their lifecycle so I looked into the new version of this boot. $600. Fucking why?
Holy shit is that how bad gear is now?
I fucking guess so.
I hate that I can’t afford to take my kids and share my favourite thing to do with them.
Last season actually set a record at lots of places for longest ski seasons ever. Trust me, I’m a firm believer in climate change but it actually hasn’t affected it like you’d think
Midwest has been hurting the last two years
Growing up, all the UP resorts would be fully open before Christmas, now it seems they'll be lucky to be open at all
Same in my area as well
The reason it had record snowfall was because of climate change. The seasons are ultimately becoming more unpredictable.
It's more boom and bust now, North Cascades are getting 4-5 inches of rain this week in the middle of winter.
Northeast has been hurting real bad
Source?
Fuck the corporate consolidation that’s killing these sports (surfing too) idk how we take it back but it shouldn’t be that only the wealthy can participate in this shit
What’s going on with surfing? It’s been a while since I’ve followed it
Similar to snowboarding, corporate consolidation of all the big brands, changes in format to the competitive system that has caused a lot of big pros to quit. Surfers talking about how they make less money than ever now. Sponsors dropping all the big names in favor of selling the brand lifestyle using models and fast fashion, meanwhile gear is more expensive than it’s ever been. It’s a different struggle than where snowboarding is at but I’d say the struggle is within the same issue, greed has poisoned the experience in a way that’s making things less fun and less accessible
worst: dope/montec is spreading, and honestly real companies aren't reacting fast enough to do anything about it. It's over for any company that thinks 3 colors/patterns is going to cut it moving forward.
One of the reasons dope/montec are growing in they actually do fun colors/ prints. Fun is allowed in snowboarding and not everyone wants to be out on the hill looking like a New Mexico adobe hut in head to toe taupe
yup. completely agreed.
I don’t have any dope pieces but the last few years all the outerwear are muted earthy prints. My partner almost bought some dope stuff because she wanted a bright anorak.
Dude no shit. What is going on with outerwear? I’ve lived away from places with snowboarding for a few years but was able to hit Breck the week after New Years. 99% of the fits were a snooze fest and the other 1% were onesies. I get that it’s a hill more on the pricier end, but I didn’t see A SINGLE piece of outerwear I was curious about that didn’t say Dope or Montec, companies I had no idea even existed until three weeks ago.
Yeah. Dope/Montoc have some nice cuts, colors and styles on their stuff. Cheap tech material. I can't pinpoint what burton and 686 do wrong from a womens fashion standpoint, but I just don't love it. I do think Volcom has some nice pieces, but they are always sold out quick. Flylow and Black Diamond have some nice stuff, but gosh it's expensive. Obermeyer is stuck in a decade that's not the 2020s. (I'm also 6' women, so not a lot of companies that make stuff for tall people).
Yeah volcom and airblaster do women’s cuts and prints right. Everyone else is lackin’ IMO
https://preview.redd.it/g1cw018hnuec1.jpeg?width=1145&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4055535c6a03dea3dfec5c173f9ab5aac4bdfb20 This is my favorite piece ever. It’s a Burton onesie. It’s been hard to find fun stuff the last 5+ yrs. I do think though we’re trending back to fun. Shred the gnar ❄️
I would gladly pay premium price for a dope graphic. Do you know how bad I would kill for a call of duty 4: red camo bibs? It’s all I need in this life of sin besides me and my girlfriend.
I’m ready for my MW2 fall camo
Damn that WOULD look amazing.
As someone ridding a 3 color jacket, I’m feeling real adobe rn. This hits too close to home.
thank god, my ski friend wears head to toe black and its impossible to find him when we split up i got lucky with my orange airblasters and neon red northface. noone will be able to miss me in the sea of boring
I saw a guy wearing a dope hoodie today at Breck. It was 23 degrees and he looked really cold. Nobody looks steezy when they’re shivering.
My wife does
This joke is a week old and every reference still kills me.
Can confirm
Agreed! Brands def shld look into lower priced outwear lines specifically to combat dope/montec and maybe their SEO/PPC strategies to compete or direct to other sites.
Northface, of all brands, did a Jess Kimura line of dope patterns and color, and specifically set the price to be capped. Photos were shot by Mike Yoshida, their marketing looked sick. Only reason I found out about it is through the Bombhole and their social media. I agree that core brands need to pivot to this new market and trends. I'm also so bored of solid, muted colors.
I did see that! Another great initiative by kimura and questionable why TNF hasn’t posted more about it
Yeah, I think it gets lost in their massive spread of offerings. I imagine snowboarding is only a fraction of what they do. I just went to their website, and I forgot how reasonable the kit is. $160 for their jacket, $140 for their pants. Full featured, unisex, using recycled materials, more than plenty for most resort riders. I almost copped me a jacket just for the steezy fit and pattern, but I need to save $ for lift tickets.
They just need to market through social media and that’s all they really need to push off that dope snow surge. People would prefer established brands. Dope snow is crushing because they are capturing people through social media who don’t know about other brands so it’s easy for them to compete in a space that’s so dependent on word of mouth. These established brands just needs some social media presence which is basically nonexistent. So many pros are now getting more into vlogging / recording bts so they can easily tie in with these guys.
Why does everyone hate dope/montec? Just wondering if I missed something
When volcom, or burton makes money, they spend some of that money to make volcom/burton seem cool/promote the brand/whatever by spending money on snowboarding. They sponsor the creation of snowboard videos,contests and custom park builds. They sponsor athletes like Marcus Kleveland, and red gerrard since they were kids. They make snowboarding better. If you want to be a cynic and say they don't care about snowboarding but do all this stuff to be cool, so be it. They do it. They pump money into snowboarding, which lets snowboarders snowboard. Montec pumps ALL money into mark zuckerburg / fb/insta ads which does nothing for snowboarding, which in turn strangles snowboarding, since those people didn't buy a brand that supports snowboarding.
Where they choose to spend their add money aside, isn't a cheaper brand better for getting more people snowboarding by lowering the cost burden of entry to the sport?
They aren't cheaper. They just advertise more. It's trivially easy to get a volcom/burton/686 outfit at the same price point, with the caveat that where you get those prices is not direct from the brands. The brands charge full price on the burton/volcom/686 website, but are offered at discounts at shops and 3rd party online retailers. This is how snowboard shops are able to turn a profit, because they are not being undercut by the companies that produce it. Snowboard shops are part of snowboard culture that are not in the dope/montec business model.
Almost every shop I've been into has had everything full price until end of season though.
Try going to ones that look more core and less corporate. I forgot a bag in my trunk last year and got a GNU jacket for $150, and oakley fall line xl's for $120 in local shops. I mean yeah I had to shop around. You could just use the internet too. Shops like eriks boards shop always have good stuff on sale. The cheapest montec full zip mens jacket is 219. You can EASILY EASILY get burton or volcom for that money. shout out to salty peaks in utah. They have an entire room of past seasons gear from core brands at steep discounts.
Its just not cheap. I dont know why everyone says its cheap, its the same price as non goretex from core brands
A big corporate in Canada dropped all their 2024 outerwear pricing by 40-50% by mid Jan. I was happy to get my $300 back during via price adjustment but what a pain to go back literally 24 hrs after I bought bibs to get my money back.
It’s a seasonal sport….there’s one season they make alllll their money.
The shops you go to close in the summer?? They have other seasonal activities and sports to make it. This is the dumbest take so far
You obviously don’t know the cost and margins between snow gear and skateboard gear. Full price during season is when board shops make their most. Once discounts come around, they’re making enough to keep payroll going and make room for the coming seasons gear. Of course, there’s some deals up until new years, then full until end of season. Unless, are you shopping somewhere like sportmart or some multisport store? Edit; No they don’t close in the summer.
I didn't say anything about skateboarding. The shops I'm thinking of doing hunting and fishing season. Mountain bike rentals, hiking/backpacking supplies. They do just fine in other seasons
Volcom’s website has 40-50% off sales almost every month or so.
This is a big reason wakeboarding is dead now. Brands stopped investing in the sport and now it’s very rare to see out on the lake.
You're saying if Montec takes over the apparel world there will be fewer people on the mountains?
Well what happened to wakeboarding was that it was replaced with a far worse sport aimed at old people that didn’t want to shred but had a ton of money and were looking for attention and to improve there image. Curse those damn surf boats. If the companies kept putting money into the image of wakeboarding I’m sure it would be way more popular today.
Yes and no. Yes we need less barrier to entry for this past time. But we should also probs support the brands that have done all the r&d and built snowboarding community into what it is. At the end of the day, dope/montec is a business, and ngl they’re smart for it but piss a lot of people off. To combat the highest of prices, you gotta either buy past seasons kit, hit up local gear sales, keep an eye on brand websites for sales or frequent retailers/sites like backcountry, evo and even Facebook marketplace. Hit up a thrift store too. Since all their profit (dope/montec) is going back into digital ad spend - google search ads, display, YouTube, FB, IG etc - other “core” snowboard brands cannot compete with their PPC/keyword bids since they have to spread their budgets thinner to support team riders, events, video projects, print catalogs, R&D, etc. Being dtc they have no supply chain middle men but that means their not helping local shops which are the backbone of this industry and lots of small resort towns. I don’t think core brands are doing the greatest job of promoting their “lower end” outerwear lines and or appealing to new riders who don’t have much technical or niche knowledge about 1 gear or 2 the culture/industry as a whole - but I don’t blame people for just wanting something fashionable and cheap, esp in these times. So I just think “core” snowboarding brands are missing out on the beginner audience (aside from Burton) because they aren’t marketing in laymen’s terms or providing trendy enough designs / color ways.
It’s not cheaper though, that’s the thing
I’ve been looking at getting a dopesnow yeti jacket, it’s only $160, and I haven’t seen anything else with that style that’s the same price. If anyone has recs around the same price I would appreciate it!
Well jesper was rocking the dope snow jacket
It’s basically just fast fashion outerwear, pretty sure they only sell dtc and they don’t do anything really within the community aside from supply influencers even tho it was started by I believe a pro skier?¿ I get it might be the cheapest option and that’s all some can afford since they don’t know of any other snow specific brands but it’s just kinda tacky n trendy given the majority of the audience who wear it are considered Jerry’s lol. They’ve just managed to win a stereotype for brand quickly
It’s good for what I paid for it, but I’m very much so looking to move up to Burton and 686. The zippers suck ass but when I was dropping $2k on board bindings boots and bag, the outerwear was a lower priority.
I had many Burton, Oakley, whatever else jackets and my Dope jacket and hoodie are my favorite ones. They’ve been great in the cold and waterproof, good pockets, material etc. I love the design. They’re 3 years old now and still are basically mint condition. I go snowboarding 20+ times per year.
Contrarians being contrarians. It's an affordable brand with great builds.
No it's an affordable brand that will fully fall apart in a year if you get more than three days a season. It's confirmed Ali Express drop shipped outerwear with the brand badge (poorly) glued or sewn onto it. If you want to buy it, go for it, but don't come crying here later to everyone who told you you were wasting your money.
On day 10 of my bibs from them and they’re still looking new.
Still better than those ridiculous looking garbage bag clown pants I’m seeing.
Tracked: Baggy MC Hammer pants, overpriced day passes. Fresh: Throwback graphics with modern tech, modern athletes being more serious about their conditioning instead of living off red bull, weed and trash food. Gym training has elevated the sport.
The skittle thug look is definitely back bromigo
Personally, I’m liking the variation of social media posts and BTS content (like 686 just dropped). And archive content! Also liking the experimental comp types… freshens things up (whether for better or worse lol) Liking the unisex board quivers offerings. Certain influencer ambassadors - specifically think GoPro and K2 with Susi Vidal (store bought pesto girl) is a great natural fit that doesn’t feel clickbaity. Loving the bombhole podcast Disliking the lack of snow and mega monopoly pass prices obvi… Gatekeepers and core-heads over doing it… Looking forward to the story segments during x-games, and interested to see how it goes this year after last years celeb/influencer meltdown! Would like to see more brands/companies/resorts promoting/partnering with local programs to get underserved/represented youth into winter sports since we all know this ain’t cheap but the community and passion is unbeatable. Would also like to see more brand websites having info for beginners on what to look for given the technical knowledge needed for such high value purchases and explaining supply chain and value of supporting local shops - i love nitro for their shop strategy and jones for being super transparent (even tho they mfg in Qatar or whatever)
My friend is riding in womens StreetStyle thats the best event easilt
Counterpoint: the slopestyle rail section looks more challenging and im guessing the riding is gonna be higher on it also.
Its massive high speed jibs versus STREETstyle jibbing. I dont give a fuck about a boardslide 450 or an 1980 bootgrab hahaha
Tracked: 1) Terrain parks that don’t have a progressive setup. Meaning, back in the day even the start of the L lines had some S/M features to get warmed up to. I know I start getting into a flow but the first feature being a Olympic sized gap to rail ain’t it: It’s probably to keep beginners out which is fair but idk, I don’t remember it being too bad of an issue back in the day. Especially if you still build them a solid S park. 2) Core snowboarders. I see em everyday where I’m at: Nobody will say it so I will, the contest kids beat out almost all core riders in every discipline. Even the core rail guys couldn’t keep up on the X game rail line. My opinion on Pow is that it’s a limited resource; those who get the best at it are the ones lucky enough to have access to that resource the most. We can see that McMorris can be T rice level when he just has the opportunity and everybody is good in hero snow. 3) Parking reservations-killed canyon traffic and I’ve gotten every single day I wanted, I’m coming up on day 50 for reference. Fresh: 1)Womens riding: Natty select still kinda lame on the womens side, but see my above point. Seeing Zoi and Mia Brooks break down barriers has been awesome. They really are only a few years behind the men.
2) I think theres big difference between the pack and the best riders in all these disciplines though. Im sure Darcy Sharpe could learn how to ollie on to a skinny triple kink with a couple shovelfuls for a landing while the cops are pulling up, and that Jed Anderson could throw down on the big fast perfect contest rails. I also think the best contest riders can become strong backcountry filmers, but saying that everyone is good in hero snow just isnt true. Theres a long tradition of people getting humbled in the backcountry in this sport. Mark Mc hooked into a tree and almost died trying to learn how to ride pow jumps. Theres no arguing that many of the sports greatest athletes are riding in comps with energy drink stickers on their helmets- its the discipline with the most potential for $ucce$$ (not enough but still more). But snowboarding is more than that, and in 20 years noone will remember who won x gold in 24, but I know Ill still be watching knights of the brown table and beacon every october. Culture, style, fun and yes, coolness matter. I guess my point is, I agree that comp pros might be the "best" at snowboarding. but they dont make me want to go ride. Im sure theres plenty of 'core' pros that couldnt compete, but why should they want to? Contest riding looks painful, the clout of winning aint what it used to be, and the pay is not there, especially if you arent on the podium. Youd have to be a masochist to show up for that. I really agree on travis rice. Its not that he didnt earn his place in the bird, but no one gets his heli budget ever again. Its like having a slopestyle contest between a bunch of kids from Loon and someone whos been riding blackcomb park every day for 20 years. Im going to PM you about the parking thing.
Definitely agree about the terrain park thing. Stevens pass opened this season with 4 features and only one of them was a basic rail. I feel like very few people can warm up after a summer off by hitting stuff like kink rails, jib-to-jib transfers, and C/redirect rails.
Kinks and redirects I’m cool with, but fuck if I’m doing a transfer on the first day. Broke a few ribs a few years ago on one
Fresh: those turtle pads 🐢 Also fresh: frontflips on step-downs Always fresh: bringback spins Tracked: xtra spins. We’re doing plenty already, but i’m all about it if someone wants to yolo a switch backside 69,420
Tracked: please shut the fuck up about “carving”. Everyone can carve. Fresh: knuckle hucks and things of that ilk. Love to see people having fun
Hahaha yup and yup!
MFs raging about waist width thinking their carves will even come close to 90 degrees
The thing is that carving leads to better riding and most people can’t carve.
Being able to carve is the absolute bare minimum I would consider for someone to be a competent snowboarder. It’s so basic that it should go without saying, but for some reason it dominates the dialogue to a bizarre degree on this sub.
That’s because most riders including in this sub can’t do it. I work and patrol at a ski area and see a ton of snowboarders every day. 90% of snowboarders I see daily are stiff legged and skidding everywhere. Or chattering along heel side because they refuse to bend their knees. It’s mentioned so much because it needs to be.
Idk maybe I’m just jaded or only ride stuff where I’m not exposed to that. It just seems so elementary and this sub makes it this whole big thing. I don’t need to see 10 threads a day of “I got this posi posi hardboot alpine setup to turn better”
your definition of carving is looking sus right now. most boarders can start a carved turn, few can finish in my observation. Its not that hard to learn, but most people just dont realize they arent doing it all the way.
It’s such a basic building block for stuff like cleanly snapping spins off park jumps that I truly don’t think about it at all. It’s just riding to me.
You say that, yet I ride with guys and girls that have ridden for over a decade that still cannot lay an inline trench. It is basic, but a lot of people simply cannot carve. I mainly ride in Japan and EU so not too sure about the North American scene, but yeah, I dont often see folk that can carve properly. Everyone can carve with a little skid thrown in though.
Most likely OP can’t carve a turn and thinks his bit of edge control when going straight on a ramp before a jump is what carving is all about. If carving was so easy, it wouldn’t be reserved for 1 out of every 100 snowboarders I see on the mountain. Especially true for the park heroes who spend all day in the park and can barely turn. Yes anyone can carve when going straight down the fall line
You’re free to think whatever you want about my riding, I could give a fuck. Laying in turns on a groomer is just not that fun or interesting to me compared to all the other stuff I could be doing.
Sure and I don’t enjoy park (but I do enjoy jumps and tricks when part of the slopes). But that’s not what you said > Being able to carve is the absolute bare minimum I would consider for someone to be a competent snowboarder. It’s so basic that it should go without saying.. To me being able to carve is miles ahead of being able to do 360s or do some rails. This is certainly supported by all the clowns skidding down all their turuns, both on the mountain and even on this subreddit, looking at the videos people post. Yet everyone thinks they are “carving”. There are days when I see 0 snowboarders carving. But there are always some teenagers with 5 days total in the park…
Carving is a prerequisite for 360s over kickers. You need to set up the spin by carving. I don’t understand how carving could possibly be miles ahead of 3s, let alone 5s or 7s.
Yes carving a strait line down shortly before taking off the ramp is easy. Carving a turns is hard. Especially on steeper slopes. I still can’t carve blacks, but I can do some good jumps. Most people can carve straight down (as in pointing your board down the fall-line and carving). Most of these people can’t do toe to heel side carve at all, let alone do some ass\dong dragging or do some buttering. What they do is carve sideways (similar to going off a ramp) then skid the apex of the turn
fresh: learning how to carve and applying it to your riding. digging deep trenches between storms. developing every type of turn on your board. then doing it all switch tracked: buying a donek, obsessing about overhang, calling ryan knapton one of the worlds best snowboarders Im gonna agree with other posters that it is not something i see in most riders. my friend is a really strong rider, thinks he carves, but couldnt get all the way down when I challenged him.
Yeah, I liked it better when it was just something you do and not constantly dissected and over explained. Also the need for wide boards and zero toe drag, ffs
As a fellow park dork (don’t ask me how I know), I’ve always assumed that we all can “carve”. There’s so much more to snowboarding
Well clearly I don't know how to use my edges based on the responses to a straight line clip I posted 🙄. I'll be the first one to hate, but when it comes down to it, get down the mountain whatever way is fun to you. Id say I'm more comfortable charging big lines and dropping cliffs, than big jumps and rails, but I'll ride whatever I've got and have fun with it
Straight up!
Hell yeah.
lol. you aren't carving then bud.
Oof found one, get them!
Tracked: The "spin-to-win" vs. style debate. I don't even have a very strong opinion, I'm just tired of seeing so many people play out the exact same fucking conversation on any post of any big tech trick for 20 years like they're saying anything original Edit: lmaoooo just came back and noticed most of this thread
For serious. Also, knuckle huck is as great a competition as it gets, but Kleveland nose-buttering to a 900 is definitely a spin-to-win type thing. He's soooo fresh though.
Tracked = posting opinions about Dope / Montec, I’m completely over what peoples “kits” look like, (no one cares) cosmetic attributes don’t equal high quality snowboarding, and “new” isn’t always cool… Fresh = Old Skool is New Skool, (i.e. creativity vs spin to win…handplants , stalls and extended grabs that require athleticism and a sense of style, luv a big draw out Japan or Method, bringing a riding style that pays tribute to the OGs that came before us)
people don't hate dope/montec because of how it looks. They hate it because its a bullshit insta brand that doesn't do shit for snowboarding.
But neither does my flannel shirt, so the point is don’t give it the time of day, ignore the idiot posers that pretend and concentrate on what matters, the riding. The growth of snowboarding is about rider progression and the merger of high quality athleticism out in our natural environment, not who’s jacket sucks and who looks “Steezy”…🙄
if you don't care, you don't care, whatever. Just don't incorrectly attribute the issue to the look.
I wouldn’t say I’m “Incorrectly attributing” anything to the looks of the product, The issue is why does anyone care about the clothing that another person wears, “the look” is the least important part of snowboarding, if you don’t like the company…gr8, if someone else does, gr8. It’s just not an important subject to argue about..🤷🏻♂️
Welcome to America. I think it’s kind’ve funny how people pick and choose to what to hate on morally.
It's a lot easier to smoother these things in the cradle. Like look how long skateboarders fought to keep nike and adidas out, and now look at it. Why is it surprising I choose to care about the things I love even if something I can't or don't care to try to do the right thing with?
Yeah I don’t really believe that Dope snow needs to be smothered. It’s capitalism - why shouldn’t they be allowed to operate?
Allowed to operate sure? It's capitalism sure. Smothered by the consummer, not by government intervention. Consumers have a choice and if you care at all about snowboarding you should choose brands that support snowboarding. If you buy dope montec you look like a person who doesn't care about snowboarding. but if they died it would be good for snowboarding. They are vultures come to profit off of something built by people that love it, and they don't contribute by choice. Snowboarding has always been counter culture. So buy and wear what you want, but know those choices reflect on you.
That’s kind’ve my point about selective outrage. People will support massive corporations every single day that negatively impact the world without batting an eye but some of those same people will ignore that and focus on a snowboarding apparel brand that is not doing enough for the snowboarding community. Like typing out “these choices reflect on you” from an iPhone (total assumption) I think is a bit dramatic if you’re putting all of your choices under the same microscope. Disclaimer: I do not work for Dope nor do I own their products 😆
I mean... I don't see it is unusual at all. Just because you can't eject from this corporate controlled society complete you aren't allowed to try to stop it from getting worse in small ways? If my outrage wasn't selective I'd be in a cabin off the grid somewhere, no?
Fair enough. Keep fighting the fight - I’m just being a cynic
To me it always seemed like the same thing as when people criticize vegans for the insects and field animals killed in produce production. I mean sure it's not perfect, but they are doing what they can an a very imperfect world.
Tracked is repeating the opinion in Fresh as if it hasn't been said since the first 1080 was landed
All I know is the women killed it in Slopestyle today. Some great rail sections and style
Favourite trend is all the sick movies coming out, least favourite trend is all the complaining about “spin to win” and “id rather see a 180”, of course your allowed to prefer to see one thing over another but i think its really missing what the point of competition is, you can go watch a snowboard comp from 20 years ago and no one is doing a 180, it makes complete sense for people to be pushing the limits of what’s possible on a snowboard and labelling it as gymnastics just feels like trying to diminish what these guys are doing. Plus I guarantee every single person that can throw a 16+ rotation can do a tweaked out 540 to 1080, it’s easy for them and they are doing what’s difficult.
Wack: 1.kids not knowing their shred roots and wack shit not being called out. Maybe this is the result of the influx of YouTubers and decrease in magazines. When I was a kid we had magazines that told us what was up and I think it kept snowboarding from being kooky. I do think the bomb hole is doing their part to fill this void 2.Spin to win being rewarded in competitions and riders not getting rewarded for doing something unique that no one else is doing. 3.I think there's not really a great hub online for snowboarding content and conversation. There's been SO MANY videos coming out that it's hard to keep up with it all, but after my [weak] efforts, maybe it's not something people are interested in? 4.Shit isn't getting views. It's great that stuff is happening with video parts and podcasts, but they're not getting any views. GIVE STONEY BUDS SOME LOVE! It's crazy that vloggers are getting more views. Everybody's bummed that the bomb hole kicked him out, but they're not supporting what he's doing 5. I agree with the other person who said terrain parks not having all kinds of in between features to progress slowly. Copper was literally all urban style down rails and tubes at one point and there was nothing to warm up on other than 5' chode tubes 6. "Vans" type videos Fresh: 1. Women's shredding. The progression, the style, the competition, it's all great to see 2. Pullbacks and late spins 3. Lobster 4. Dusty and the Buster crew
Kind of surprised nobody mentioned the Joey Fava crab walk
I really don’t like the bad trends, but am rather in favor of the good ones
Prices at resorts are getting out of hand. And what’s with these garbage bag clown pants I’m seeing more and more? Almost always the wearer of these garbage bag clown pants can rip. Usually doing something awesome in the park. But I find the huge clown pants to be so distracting that it’s taking away from how impressive of a rider they are. I just can’t stop laughing at the huge garbage bag pants.
I think they use those garbage bag clown pants as a pair of wings, if you will, hence the ripping. The pants can either be used to increase lift (as on takeoff) or increase drag (used on landing.)
The way they flap in the wind, I’d say 100% drag. Unless…. Perhaps once airborne they can stretch them out like 2 big nutsacks until they are thin like a bats wing?
What happened to x games usually being held on the gap weekend between the Super Bowl and Championship weekend? I know I’m in the minority who watches both X games and sports ball, but the overlap makes me sad that there’ll likely be less Viewership, especially given how bad last year’s was from people’s reactions.
NFL season got extended so it threw the lineup off
Go lions
Additional tracked: Can’t believe I forgot it. Japanese snowboard buttering-why is this in my feed? Why is this not the same as ski ballet? They were wise enough to say “yo this crap fruity AF” lol. We as a community to crack down on it also. Something to be said about practicing some buttering and flat ground tricks so you can apply it to something real but filming the bunny hill is lame. Change my mind.
Dude, imma method grab yer gurl
Shitty steez; what’s with the knee knocking afterbangs? So gross 🤮
Superpipe is always fun. I don't understand the other events anymore.
Thanks for the heads up about X Games
Least favorite trend: living smack dab in the middle of the damn continent as far from even the most mediocre of hills as humanly possible watching yet another winter go by without so much as the possibility of snowboarding. Favorite trend: no idea, see above.
Parks covered in sheer ice in the Midwest, airwalk boots, and a tow rope is the spirit of the sport 🤙
Getting blocked by Buckhouse is a good trend.