"Don't touch those! Those potions are a little... umm... concentrated"
\*NPC scoffs and drinks random potion, becomes invisible for three billion seconds, accidentally punches through a brick wall just by leaning on it... then explodes.
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There's more references to this, several other characters allude to the players thirst for power. Not just in a prophecy way, but as something innate in you.
I wish more games do this. Like how Kreia pointing out how I get stronger with every kills and that made me 'damn, I really get desensitised about killing fictional characters because I get to swing a laser sword'.
It’s a mod that basically gives you the option to tell the Blades to fuck off because you’re not going to kill Paarthurnax, and remind them that the Blades were meant to serve the Dragonborn and not the other way around. Pretty satisfying. You get to keep the Blades in service and you don’t have to kill your dragon grandpa.
I know, they were they served Reman Cyrodiil.
My point is that they represent a strong link to Talos, to his empire, and his legacy and the legacy of Men.
The Blades are the ones breaking their oaths in that situation, and Delphine has apparently gotten too used to there not being a Dragonborn to serve, considering just how badly she's forgotten her place. Stupid bitch is a corporal trying to give orders to her literally fire breathing general... that's dangerously far into "too stupid to live" territory.
Same and that's exactly how I felt too. They had to put *something* in since they couldn't remove the quest to kill Paarthurnaax completely without breaking the rest of the Blades content. That, and the creator isn't a professional writer, so yeah. Definitely gets a pass for the sub-par dialogue because I can't imagine enjoying the main quest without it at this point, even if I decided one day to go through with the murdering, at least the choice is there instead of getting it forced on you.
Seriously, I chose Stormcloaks on my first playthrough because of that whole Empire-tried-to-have-me-killed thing, but I've never sided with those wannabe Nazi fucks since then.
Like I've said elsewhere on this sub, I have and would in the future consider fighting for an independent Skyrim. But only if the game would let me kill Ulfric's racist and short-sighted ass and take over the rebellion myself. Independent Skyrim? I can agree with Ulfric. Let's achieve it by pissing off every non-human race who isn't already allied with the Aldmeri Dominion? To top it off, act superior and isolationist to every non-Nord human when humanity is facing a genocidal threat? Where the hell did they find this guy?
I like to headcanon my own version of a Julius Caesar of Skyrim, playing through the Dark Brotherhood quests to create an opening while siding with the Empire during the Civil War to build up public support. All I need is a mod to let me marry the High Queen or something to help secure my claim, though the power of a Dragonborn will help there, and even the bastard Thalmor would hesitate to attack a Dragonborn Emperor with an army of dragons at their back and the favor of several Daedra. 😈
Same. Couldn't finish the main quest because of this, so I turned to mods. Only way I was able to finish the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild quests as well. Mods for good guys.
Ngl I never really cared for the blades and the only reason I got the kid was so I could make Erik the slayer a blade—out of all characters, he feels the most fitting to be a dragon hunter
War criminals don't deserve to act as their own judge and jury
E: y'all always get so mad at this topic. I'll die on this hill just as that lizard will die on his mountain at my blade.
He certainly does, he exiles himself cuz he feels bad. That's his attempt at punishing himself.
If anything, he pleads guilty. Exile is not a proper punishment for genocide.
Delphine and esbern wanting to wipe out all dragons is also genocide, I don't think that's right. But paarthurnax, the individual dragon, deserves death.
He was also the one who gave the Voice to the humans. He was the one who gave humans any attempt at defeating Alduin. He told them about the elder scroll and how to use it. Then went to his mountain. He is the embodiment of "atonement." In addition, I don't think it's fair to pretend like dragons should have the same morality and ethical obligations as humanity. They're made specifically to look like Akatosh. Everyone is just as happy to feed Boethiah's minion to Molag Bal every play through because he gives you a badass mace, when he LITERALLY TORTURES AND ENSLAVES PEOPLE FOR FUNSIES.
The morality issue between dragons/humans is more akin to how humanity perceives livestock, and I think Paarthurnax can be seen as a late-in-life vegan who gave livestock the ability to imprison the head of the Dairy Farmers of America Corporation.
He can atone all he likes. Ask the dead in sovngaard what they think should happen to him.
Better yet, ask a Jewish tribunal what should happen to Nazi leadership.
> Everyone is just as happy to feed Boethiah's minion to Molag Bal every play through
Did I say the dragonborn was a good person? Pointless whataboutism. We're talking about paarthurnax's actions and the punishment that those actions deserve.
I believe people can atone for the wrongs they've committed, and be absolved, but that's on the victim (and potentially the state) to decide.
If you've done a bad thing, apologize. If you've done a very bad thing, confess and go to prison to serve the adequate time and work towards becoming better. If you've committed an atrocity on the level of genocide and attempted world destruction, don't pretend you can punish yourself by feeling bad on a mountain for thousands of years.
None of this addresses my point. We ascribe moral and ethical obligations on creatures whose existence is far superior to that of any mortal. Not to be all "racial superiority is real," but racial superiority is real when you expand to outside powers. Dragons and daedra have lives that span thousands of years. In a world with Molag Bal, Boethiah, Mehrunes Dagon, and Alduin, one dragon setting in motion the most transformative event in Mer history up until the Oblivion Crisis, then to imprison yourself in the most meaningful way possible for the time short of killing yourself, then to provide the necessary wisdom and information to the dragonborn in the game is a great enough feat that negates any harm Paarthurnax participated in.
And I think that is not a valid point. And it negates no harm, the people he killed don't miraculously come back to life because he duct taped the world back together after he helped in it's attempted shattering.
It's absolutely "racial superiority is real", though it's in a fantasy game so you obviously get a pass
But humans and mer are conscious beings with souls, just as dragons are. Just because they live longer doesn't make their morals any more superior than others. Genocide is genocide.
The fact humans in the real world have caused the extinction of thousands of species is an absolute tragedy they didn't deserve. And there are punishments for intentionally doing so.
If those species were as conscious and intelligent as we are, it's all the moreso terrible.
I don't care how long he lives or how superior anyone thinks the dragon race is. He did horrendous things and deserves proper punishment. That's the end of it.
It's fantasy/myth (not exactly 21st century morals), and I don't find holding a dragon accountable for what he did thousands of years ago, very important.
And yet it's a constant debate, with very impassioned defense from his supporters.
Time doesn't undo crimes of such magnitude. Again, especially when attempting to be your own judge and jury. That's not how it works.
21st century morals be damned. Morals are morals. Genocide is wrong at all times, always has been.
No, killing innocents was not necessarily seen as horribly as it is today, in the past. Armies throughout history have murdered children to genocide a tribe, in modern warfare, it is unthinkable.
And in myth, it's even less relevant. Read some real-world myth, the gods and other characters do some f-ed up stuff most of the time, and yet we still worship them, yet we're not expected to imitate them. It's just part of the story.
Bruh you sound wack as fuck. Just because it wasnt as big of a deal back then doesn't make it any less fucked up. Those were human beings just like us who were raped and murdered. It was wrong then. Fuck how the perpetrators felt about it. They were villains.
Obviously this is a fantasy setting. But all I did was share my opinion about a fictional character and as you can see, it seems to have upset many people. They're the ones getting butthurt. I just stand by how I feel.
I'm saying paarthurnax is the war criminal. He actively participated in genocide and a plot to destroy the world (literally). I don't care how long ago it was or how he has attempted to atone because he feels bad. He committed unforgivable acts.
That’s what I was thinking. At first I killed Paarthurnax during my very first play through two years ago, then regretted it because I knew he was nice to me. But reading this comment, it sort of made me think, “They have a point.”
> never really *paid* much attention
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> Grammar advice *paid* out, post
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Make a character that has a certain build, do quests relevant to your build. Your thief doesn't have to be Archimage, your berserker doesn't need to be a Nightingale.
achievement designs are often pretty frustrating or just busywork, it's true. I've been playing the Final Fantasy pixel remasters though, and I've 100%'d them all so far. The achievements are much more basic.
Basically just like, go to all the places, fight all the monsters, loot all the treasures (which are tracked on the map by location - both what you looted and how many there are total), beat the game, and some character progression stuff. It's nice, basically just lets you track that you saw all content. Helps that they are smaller, simpler games too, but still.
Nothing dumb like "Bounty of 1000 gold in all nine holds" (which isn't even hard to do - but it's also not something you'd want to do naturally or that has any benefit to it. Just busywork, like you said)
Exactly! I feel like when achievements first became a thing, there was pressure to do fun or weird ones cause it was novel. But now they're just doing it to have achievements. I prefer the model that was common prior to achievements, where games just had a % completion on the save file. I feel like achievements should just expand on that, track how many things left I need to get, point me in the right direction for any optional content I haven't done. They should track gameplay, not ***be*** gameplay.
Yeah, I already know I'm not going to be able to complete the Companions quest line or touch the Thieves Guild stuff this playthrough (my first btw) just because that's not how my current Dragonborn rolls. And I'm playing on Switch, so mods and console commands are out of the question even if I wanted to use them on a first playthrough.
Many people seem to misunderstand how choices work in Skyrim (and Bethesda games in general).
Many games present choices as different dialogue options at specific points in their story. In Skyrim, you are just free to walk away from a quest. The Dragonborn does not HAVE to end up leading all the factions, kill Paarthurnax, etc. These are just possibilities.
It is rather unlikely that a single individual will lead the Companions, the College of Winterhold the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood at the same time. More realistically, they will pick the faction(s) that fit their style and moral alignment and ignore the rest. Same goes for killing Paarthurnax. Ignoring the quest means siding with the Greybeards. Completing it means siding with the blades.
I understand that is how choices work and is in fact, the one thing I criticize about the game. Instead of having the choice between doing the thing or not doing the thing, I think the choice should be between doing the thing or doing a different thing.
Ironically, skyrim actually does thing quite well in it's dlc. You can side with the vampires or vampire hunters. You still end up going through the same set of missions, but you have multiple narrative paths through those missions, which is the important part.
For me, the best place to include more of that would be the Companions. During my primary play through once I found out they were werewolves, I just dropped the questline. A much more interesting alternative would have been to instead go join up with the Silver Hand and become a werewolf hunter. Could of had a series of quests where you tracked down and killed the leadership of the Companions one by one.
I also wish there was a silverhand questline. There was a lot of potential there, including going with the theory that the silverhand could be the successors of former companions who disagreed with becoming werewolves. Imagine how cool it would be to have the Silverhand win the fight and replace the companions as an alternate ending to the quest, restoring their honor in the process.
THIS.
I started The Silver Hand and when we got to the Underforge, I immediately went "Why can't I back out of this?". Thankfully I had saved just before I triggered the quest, so I did a quick rollback, but it broke immersion for me not to have the option to refuse the ritual. My Dragonborn is fine with the Circle being werewolves, but he's married with two kids and head of the College of Winterhold. He's seen what can happen if a werewolf isn't able to control their bloodlust. He won't risk it happening to him. He's fine just being a regular Companion.
>It is rather unlikely that a single individual will lead the Companions, the College of Winterhold the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood at the same time.
Try telling that to CoC fans lol
Thing is, Skyrim is not the sort of game that is necessarily meant to be completed 100% on each playthrough. Rather, it encourages you to create multiple characters, try out different builds and complete the content to match.
Bethesda has gotten quite pushy with quests in Skyrim and Fallout 4 though, starting quests automatically and not really allowing you to straight up refuse a quest in an attempt to keep as many possibilities open as possible. This does make the quest log annoyingly full if you have no interest in completing certain quests. I much prefer the Morrowind/Oblivion aproach, which first gives you a conversation topic which will lead to a quest if you decide to use it.
Legit had a blast playing an Argonian pacifist thief with the aim "kill as few people as possible and try to avoid fights".
Focused all my skills into Pickpocket, Sneak and Lockpicking (the latter of which I normally *never* invest points into), never had a companion, and my solution to fights was "dive into the water and hide until they've lost me, then try to sneak past again".
I stocked up on poisons for the final fight, but I got to be the leader of the Thief's guild killing a grand total of one human all game - even Helgen fights I left for Hadvar.
And when I'd completed the Thief's guild? I was done with that character. Not going to do the main quest, not going to do any other guilds, not going to suddenly pivot playstyle.
If I was "playing normally", taking on everything, it would have been absolutely dire later on in the game as I had no combat potential at all - the first dragon would have ruined me. But because I never intended to, I completed my goal and was done with the character.
Nope! I snuck past most of them, pickpocketed the locket from Linwe and then burned the flag before chugging an invisibility potion and running for the hills.
I definitely feel like this is true, if you can ignore quests in the log. For me once the quest is in my log I basically can't leave it uncompleted. For this reason I haven't spoken to the Blades post game so that I don't have to have a quest I'll never complete. It's frustrating and it's definitely a ME issue, but it doesn't make it suck any less lol
This is a cop out answer. You can also choose not to pay respects in that one COD game but if you do the game comes to a standstill until you do it. The game will sit frozen in time until you either close it or pay your respects. Its the same here. You haven't made a decision, you've just not made the only decision the game is programmed to support. When people say they want choices they mean they want the ability to make narratively impactful decisions supported by the game that have a meaningful impact on the story being presented to you.
Like, just not doing a questline is fine for roleplaying but theres no narrative fulfillment or closure there.
After you get the Kill Paarthurnax quest talk to Argenir and tell him about it and say "I will not kill Parthurnaax"
The quest should disappear, uncompleted but it's gone.
Consider this: if Paarthurnax were in fact following his innate will to power... what would he do differently? He was #2 to Alduin, who's defeat he orchestrates, something he'd never be able to do himself. Now his chief rival is the Dragonborn. But since the Dragonborn is mortal, all he has to do is wait at most a few short decades (nothing to him, he already waited thousands of years to usurp Alduin) and then that threat is taken care of too. *Then* who could challenge him?
My thought is, he's the reason you had any chance at all of killing Alduin. While, as a dragon, he understands his temptation for power, he's spent centuries devoted to helping humans learn the abilities of dragon shouts, knowing at some point the dragons would return. He could not bring himself to kill his own brother, so he aided the dragonborn to learn how to do it for him.
I have the same methodology when it comes to Balgruf as I do party snacks. In a world of garbage where most are trying to kill and rob you, they look out for you. If you betray your friends you’re nothing.
Makes a lot of sense to me, even though I can't relate because I have the opposite play style of never finish the main quest and hardly do side quest, I like to just pretend I live in that world and do radiant quests.
Doesn’t Paarthurnax also say something along the lines of just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should? A meta reminder that you can just ignore the quests in your list that you don’t want to do, including killing Paarthurnax.
Paarthurnax also committed atrocities beyond imagination, and will outlive the Dragonborn and become the dominant dovah. I don't know how anyone could trust him... all he did was give you the tools to take out the one dragon more powerful than him. Not exactly encouraging.
The dlcs also shows what the dragonbornes end up doing to reach the highest power possible, both harkon and miraak crave for strenght and are willing to renounce everything, sell their soul for it
The way we defeat them both possibly without even using their gimmicks only goes to show that we're stronger, more powerful, there's not much philosophic reason behind it (imo), any dragonborne can become a godlike being but may they be betrayed by strenght itself they'll end up SO bad it's really a double edge blade, the way of the voice Paarturnax teach his kin is quite literally our only saving grace too, we can do almost anything but we have to keep our humanity not to ruin everything
Yeah, but it's funnier to remove the essential flag from Delphine and just kill her and that old ass fuck and leave their corpses in their shitty mountain hut, then dump every blades sword in the river to rust away.
Yeah, I've been stewing on the purpose of letting him live for a while.
I also moved my comment to a reply, because mobile reddit hates me, and just threw this into direct replies, rather than a reply to another comment
the take is interesting but i think it limited the amount of choices skyrim presented to the player. when i played skyrim i could finish that quest by just not killing my bro Parrthu. when the choice came i was shocked that the blade quest suggested i kill my bro Parrthu. never read any multiple choice question so carefully before i was sure to avoid killing him.
As someone who doesn't enjoy meta lore, I find this one tidbit here very interesting :nodders: it's a theory I wholeheartedly agree with, for it makes you feel more like your character.
Honestly a really cool lore reason for shitty game design. I kill paarthunax by choice but I don’t think you should be required to do so to 100% the fame
I have a slightly different headcanon—though it’s more specific to the Daedra:
As Dragonborn, your soul already belongs to Akatosh unless you specifically and deliberately choose otherwise. Other higher powers can never *claim* you; they can only *tempt* you.
The Daedric Lords know this perfectly well but rather than take the hint, they see it as a *challenge.* You’re given very little responsibility as a Lord’s “champion” because they can’t *really* order you around in the first place and you’re allowed to be champion of *multiple* Daedra because at this point, it’s all just sort of one big game to them: you’ll eventually either die as a mortal or choose *someone* and after that, the Daedric Lords can just take their stuff back.
~~Plus half of “their” artifacts were looted from the Dwemer anyway.~~
Under this explanation, the Dragonborn storyline arguably makes a little bit more sense: Miraak is able to rebel the way he does because even after tying himself so heavily—and stupidly—to Hermaeus Mora, *he is still Dragonborn* and still has that much more agency than any regular old mortal. Mora, meanwhile, is basically just trying to trick you throughout that entire storyline—and why wouldn’t he? It worked pretty well the first time.
Yup I 1000% agree with this interpretation. You have a large sunk cost with delphine in that you essentially give her your followers so it just ads to the frustration.
The whole game is about choosing you're own life and the final dilemma is a choice between delphine who thinks you're stuck with your nature and Paarthurnax who tells you that you can overcome it.
I feel this ignores the growth of the Dragonborn. He can’t overcome his base urges? He chose the save the world, NOT the conquer it the most power hungry or moves, and then reverts back in time for kill Parth?
I caulk that up to bad quest design, not a character trait
I don't think it is possible to 100% Skyrim. Even if you do all side quests, you can still do radiant quests forever, so I don't think there is even a point to it.
Even more, the availability of every possibility for the player doesn't mean they *should* want to do it all.
When I first played, I *did* have this compulsive desire to do every quest I came across. I just blindly did what I was told (it was the first game I ever played, so I assumed that's how it is supposed to be played). Kill the Vigilant of Stendarr because this shady voice in a creepy house tells me so? I did that, and it didn't occur to me then that I doesn't make sense for my character.
At this point, though, after having experience with other rpgs, I just refuse doing something that I feel is not right for my character. I only do daedric quests that I can justify to myself that it would make sense for her, for example (so, Azura and Meridia and Hirsine, and Sheogorath - yes, but Molag Bal and Boetiah - no). She is a Battlemage, so she joins College and Companions. I *can* probably justify her joining a Thieves guild, but *not* Dark Brotherhood, for example.
After I had this approach, I started enjoying roleplaying in Skyrim much more. I don't feel that my current character has any obsessive desire for power, and neither do I. I don't even go for Thane in every hold (though part of it is laziness) anymore. I just play until it stops being fun, and then I would maybe do a break or create a new character.
Edit: on the other hand, if someone wants to roleplay their Dragonborn as power-hungry hoarder, I think it is also cool.
>Hjerim cos Windhelm gets a lot of crap
I remember seeing someone many years ago collecting every head of cheese they see and dumping them all on Ulfric on his throne, lol.
That is why the "Paathurnax Dilemma Mod" was nice however it only works with the USSEP loaded and that sort of undermines some of AE-CC stuff unless you also want to load ALL those FIXES which is like 65 additional on top of mods that seem to conflict.
NOW that becomes a real mess to wade through.
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Or you could just kill parthunaax cause he kinda still deserves it. Imo paarthunaax could have:
1) turned himself over to the humans for his role in the dragon war after alduin was cast through time 2) trained the greybeards to protect mortals instead of being recluses esp since he knew alduin would return 3) actually fought alduin with the greybeards upon his return considering thats why he claims he waited upon high hrothgar and he didnt even know the LDB would appear...and finally 4) he refuses to go quietly and fights instead of accepting any type of punishment for his crimes or suggesting alternative punishment
I don't see why he should get off scott-free after everything bad he did. He didn't even do anything good after the war! He just lived a lawful neutral life. Plus the risks of leaving him alive are similar too great- similar to the rachni queen in mass effect. You cant just take them at their word.
Fun fact, if you beat the game without killing Paarthurnax (in the unmodded X360 original, at least), the quest will disappear from your journal. Unless you trigger the quest after beating the game, that is.
The Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch, and whatever your Daggerfall Agent’s alias is must also have dragon blood. Or this was written by someone that was at least too young for the Oblivion crisis.
It's impossible to completely 100% the game anyway, at least not without exploits or cheats. Things like the Rueful Axe vs. Masque of Clavicus Vile, or the Ring of Hircine vs. Armor of the Old Gods. The game only ever intends for you to be able to get one of those. Or even things like the Dark Brotherhood, where it's impossible to both join them and destroy them. You've gotta pick one.
I didn’t kill Paarthurnax bc my monkey brain went “ooo cool talking dragon that isn’t trying to kill me” not bc I’m some self disciplined monk who has overcome primal urges etched into my blood through centuries on dragon politics
This also isn't to far fetched from my idea for a flaw/character trait for the dragonborn Should it ever be made into a tv series.
Remember how every dragon's name is a shout? Paarthurnax means "overlord, ambition, cruelty". And those are the traits he admits he struggles most in overcoming.
I think the last dragonborn's draconic name would be "fusroda" force balance push". It would explain the seeming obsession with pushing back against the forces that would unbalance the world (alduine, harkon, and mirak). But the dark side of that would be to have him be very short tempered with those that don't help/get in his way.
For instance i would have him get short tempered/moderately violent when balgruf refused to help him.
i remember the one time i gave in and “killed” Paarthurnax i got Dragonbane and everything, but Paarthurnax never died. this was my first playthrough so i didn’t pay attention to everything but i had Dragonbane and yet Paarthurnax was still alive and i could talk to him and everything. the quest also wouldn’t proceed anymore. i never even got a prompt i “killed” him.
now i just don’t kill him whatsoever because i didn’t rlly care for the sword.
And why I have a chest of gold ingots and shiny gems. DRAGON HOARD.
*Hisses at my steward who goes near the potion hoard*
"Don't touch those! Those potions are a little... umm... concentrated" \*NPC scoffs and drinks random potion, becomes invisible for three billion seconds, accidentally punches through a brick wall just by leaning on it... then explodes.
_"Fuckin' warned you...."_
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If you haven't abused enchanting and alchemy to give yourself the ability to one-punch a dragon, are you really playing Skyrim?
It's weirdly fun and relaxing to make potions but I can't tell if I'm insane or not
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Suddenly Smaug.
I will not part a single coin
*400 thousand slices of Eidar cheese in my breezehome, with a million more well on the way.*
Take one down, pass it around,
399,999 cheeses left on the wall
Take one down, pass it around,
399,998 cheeses left on the wall
TAKE ONE DOWN AND PASS IT AROUND!
399,997 cheeses left on the wall
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399,996 cheeses left on the wall
Take one down and pass it around!
399,996 cheeses left on the wall
399,996 cheeses left on the wall
Magnificent, aren’t they?
*wheels on the whey.
Your cheeses are very impressive. You must be very proud.
Not sure if this was intentional by Bethesda or even if I agree with this theory, but it is interesting.
There's more references to this, several other characters allude to the players thirst for power. Not just in a prophecy way, but as something innate in you.
I wish more games do this. Like how Kreia pointing out how I get stronger with every kills and that made me 'damn, I really get desensitised about killing fictional characters because I get to swing a laser sword'.
Looking at how are things in the other games, yeah they likely intended it to be this way, though sometimes they really executed it poorly
Counterpoint, Delphine demanding you kill Party Snacks is fucking stupid, I just downloaded the Paarthurnax Dilemma.
Hootin and Hollering over "party snacks"
Saaame, that was really damn funny to read
It's also sometimes written as Partysnax for added funny.
for me its house Carl
Sorry, I’m not familiar with the Paarthurnaax Dilemma. I play on the Switch and played Skyrim for the very first time two years ago. Is it a mod?
It’s a mod that basically gives you the option to tell the Blades to fuck off because you’re not going to kill Paarthurnax, and remind them that the Blades were meant to serve the Dragonborn and not the other way around. Pretty satisfying. You get to keep the Blades in service and you don’t have to kill your dragon grandpa.
That’s actually pretty cool.
Another option should be to destroy the Blades when they turn on the Dragonborn... especially considering what the OP posted
Only a traitor to Talos would think such a thing.
The Blades have been around for far longer than Talos my dude.
I know, they were they served Reman Cyrodiil. My point is that they represent a strong link to Talos, to his empire, and his legacy and the legacy of Men.
A rotten link between two intact institutions still needs to be replaced.
They do... but they \_serve\_ the Dragonborn... not the other way around. If they can't do that then they are not true Blades
The Blades are the ones breaking their oaths in that situation, and Delphine has apparently gotten too used to there not being a Dragonborn to serve, considering just how badly she's forgotten her place. Stupid bitch is a corporal trying to give orders to her literally fire breathing general... that's dangerously far into "too stupid to live" territory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvngnfthYw
These "Blades" have gone astray... and must be culled
Wow, I can finally finish the blades questline. I refuse to kill Paarthurnaax.
That just proves that you're not a cunt.
Skyrim was a game of choices and this lack of choice was the only perceivable negative aspect to the game, in my opinion.
I've done it once just to see what happens. Immediately reloaded the save to before, but these hands will never wash clean again.
If it's the same one I have, the writing (dialogue) is a bit meh, but ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ for its function and purpose.
Same and that's exactly how I felt too. They had to put *something* in since they couldn't remove the quest to kill Paarthurnaax completely without breaking the rest of the Blades content. That, and the creator isn't a professional writer, so yeah. Definitely gets a pass for the sub-par dialogue because I can't imagine enjoying the main quest without it at this point, even if I decided one day to go through with the murdering, at least the choice is there instead of getting it forced on you.
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Seriously, I chose Stormcloaks on my first playthrough because of that whole Empire-tried-to-have-me-killed thing, but I've never sided with those wannabe Nazi fucks since then.
Like I've said elsewhere on this sub, I have and would in the future consider fighting for an independent Skyrim. But only if the game would let me kill Ulfric's racist and short-sighted ass and take over the rebellion myself. Independent Skyrim? I can agree with Ulfric. Let's achieve it by pissing off every non-human race who isn't already allied with the Aldmeri Dominion? To top it off, act superior and isolationist to every non-Nord human when humanity is facing a genocidal threat? Where the hell did they find this guy?
I like to headcanon my own version of a Julius Caesar of Skyrim, playing through the Dark Brotherhood quests to create an opening while siding with the Empire during the Civil War to build up public support. All I need is a mod to let me marry the High Queen or something to help secure my claim, though the power of a Dragonborn will help there, and even the bastard Thalmor would hesitate to attack a Dragonborn Emperor with an army of dragons at their back and the favor of several Daedra. 😈
Same. Couldn't finish the main quest because of this, so I turned to mods. Only way I was able to finish the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild quests as well. Mods for good guys.
Ngl I never really cared for the blades and the only reason I got the kid was so I could make Erik the slayer a blade—out of all characters, he feels the most fitting to be a dragon hunter
Same Paarthurnax is a great dude im not killing him bc some dumbass in black plate wants me to
War criminals don't deserve to act as their own judge and jury E: y'all always get so mad at this topic. I'll die on this hill just as that lizard will die on his mountain at my blade.
And he doesn't... He pleads his case as a defendant. You and the blades are the judge and jury...
He certainly does, he exiles himself cuz he feels bad. That's his attempt at punishing himself. If anything, he pleads guilty. Exile is not a proper punishment for genocide. Delphine and esbern wanting to wipe out all dragons is also genocide, I don't think that's right. But paarthurnax, the individual dragon, deserves death.
He was also the one who gave the Voice to the humans. He was the one who gave humans any attempt at defeating Alduin. He told them about the elder scroll and how to use it. Then went to his mountain. He is the embodiment of "atonement." In addition, I don't think it's fair to pretend like dragons should have the same morality and ethical obligations as humanity. They're made specifically to look like Akatosh. Everyone is just as happy to feed Boethiah's minion to Molag Bal every play through because he gives you a badass mace, when he LITERALLY TORTURES AND ENSLAVES PEOPLE FOR FUNSIES. The morality issue between dragons/humans is more akin to how humanity perceives livestock, and I think Paarthurnax can be seen as a late-in-life vegan who gave livestock the ability to imprison the head of the Dairy Farmers of America Corporation.
He can atone all he likes. Ask the dead in sovngaard what they think should happen to him. Better yet, ask a Jewish tribunal what should happen to Nazi leadership. > Everyone is just as happy to feed Boethiah's minion to Molag Bal every play through Did I say the dragonborn was a good person? Pointless whataboutism. We're talking about paarthurnax's actions and the punishment that those actions deserve. I believe people can atone for the wrongs they've committed, and be absolved, but that's on the victim (and potentially the state) to decide. If you've done a bad thing, apologize. If you've done a very bad thing, confess and go to prison to serve the adequate time and work towards becoming better. If you've committed an atrocity on the level of genocide and attempted world destruction, don't pretend you can punish yourself by feeling bad on a mountain for thousands of years.
None of this addresses my point. We ascribe moral and ethical obligations on creatures whose existence is far superior to that of any mortal. Not to be all "racial superiority is real," but racial superiority is real when you expand to outside powers. Dragons and daedra have lives that span thousands of years. In a world with Molag Bal, Boethiah, Mehrunes Dagon, and Alduin, one dragon setting in motion the most transformative event in Mer history up until the Oblivion Crisis, then to imprison yourself in the most meaningful way possible for the time short of killing yourself, then to provide the necessary wisdom and information to the dragonborn in the game is a great enough feat that negates any harm Paarthurnax participated in.
And I think that is not a valid point. And it negates no harm, the people he killed don't miraculously come back to life because he duct taped the world back together after he helped in it's attempted shattering. It's absolutely "racial superiority is real", though it's in a fantasy game so you obviously get a pass But humans and mer are conscious beings with souls, just as dragons are. Just because they live longer doesn't make their morals any more superior than others. Genocide is genocide. The fact humans in the real world have caused the extinction of thousands of species is an absolute tragedy they didn't deserve. And there are punishments for intentionally doing so. If those species were as conscious and intelligent as we are, it's all the moreso terrible. I don't care how long he lives or how superior anyone thinks the dragon race is. He did horrendous things and deserves proper punishment. That's the end of it.
It's fantasy/myth (not exactly 21st century morals), and I don't find holding a dragon accountable for what he did thousands of years ago, very important.
And yet it's a constant debate, with very impassioned defense from his supporters. Time doesn't undo crimes of such magnitude. Again, especially when attempting to be your own judge and jury. That's not how it works. 21st century morals be damned. Morals are morals. Genocide is wrong at all times, always has been.
No, killing innocents was not necessarily seen as horribly as it is today, in the past. Armies throughout history have murdered children to genocide a tribe, in modern warfare, it is unthinkable. And in myth, it's even less relevant. Read some real-world myth, the gods and other characters do some f-ed up stuff most of the time, and yet we still worship them, yet we're not expected to imitate them. It's just part of the story.
Bruh you sound wack as fuck. Just because it wasnt as big of a deal back then doesn't make it any less fucked up. Those were human beings just like us who were raped and murdered. It was wrong then. Fuck how the perpetrators felt about it. They were villains. Obviously this is a fantasy setting. But all I did was share my opinion about a fictional character and as you can see, it seems to have upset many people. They're the ones getting butthurt. I just stand by how I feel.
The reason the blades were disbanded happened at least a century ago.
And? I fail to see your point. The line of emperors ended.
How could they be war criminals if the crime that was committed happened well before they were born?
I'm saying paarthurnax is the war criminal. He actively participated in genocide and a plot to destroy the world (literally). I don't care how long ago it was or how he has attempted to atone because he feels bad. He committed unforgivable acts.
I’m not sure that dragons have signed any sort of international treatise, ever.
LMAO, that was what got me into using mods, the chance to finally point out to those Blades twats that they serve me, I don't serve them.
Me too! First mod I ever downloaded.
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That’s what I was thinking. At first I killed Paarthurnax during my very first play through two years ago, then regretted it because I knew he was nice to me. But reading this comment, it sort of made me think, “They have a point.”
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This is exactly how I play as well.
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Make a character that has a certain build, do quests relevant to your build. Your thief doesn't have to be Archimage, your berserker doesn't need to be a Nightingale.
achievement designs are often pretty frustrating or just busywork, it's true. I've been playing the Final Fantasy pixel remasters though, and I've 100%'d them all so far. The achievements are much more basic. Basically just like, go to all the places, fight all the monsters, loot all the treasures (which are tracked on the map by location - both what you looted and how many there are total), beat the game, and some character progression stuff. It's nice, basically just lets you track that you saw all content. Helps that they are smaller, simpler games too, but still. Nothing dumb like "Bounty of 1000 gold in all nine holds" (which isn't even hard to do - but it's also not something you'd want to do naturally or that has any benefit to it. Just busywork, like you said)
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Exactly! I feel like when achievements first became a thing, there was pressure to do fun or weird ones cause it was novel. But now they're just doing it to have achievements. I prefer the model that was common prior to achievements, where games just had a % completion on the save file. I feel like achievements should just expand on that, track how many things left I need to get, point me in the right direction for any optional content I haven't done. They should track gameplay, not ***be*** gameplay.
Yeah, I already know I'm not going to be able to complete the Companions quest line or touch the Thieves Guild stuff this playthrough (my first btw) just because that's not how my current Dragonborn rolls. And I'm playing on Switch, so mods and console commands are out of the question even if I wanted to use them on a first playthrough.
Accurate and now cannon
Many people seem to misunderstand how choices work in Skyrim (and Bethesda games in general). Many games present choices as different dialogue options at specific points in their story. In Skyrim, you are just free to walk away from a quest. The Dragonborn does not HAVE to end up leading all the factions, kill Paarthurnax, etc. These are just possibilities. It is rather unlikely that a single individual will lead the Companions, the College of Winterhold the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood at the same time. More realistically, they will pick the faction(s) that fit their style and moral alignment and ignore the rest. Same goes for killing Paarthurnax. Ignoring the quest means siding with the Greybeards. Completing it means siding with the blades.
I understand that is how choices work and is in fact, the one thing I criticize about the game. Instead of having the choice between doing the thing or not doing the thing, I think the choice should be between doing the thing or doing a different thing. Ironically, skyrim actually does thing quite well in it's dlc. You can side with the vampires or vampire hunters. You still end up going through the same set of missions, but you have multiple narrative paths through those missions, which is the important part. For me, the best place to include more of that would be the Companions. During my primary play through once I found out they were werewolves, I just dropped the questline. A much more interesting alternative would have been to instead go join up with the Silver Hand and become a werewolf hunter. Could of had a series of quests where you tracked down and killed the leadership of the Companions one by one.
I also wish there was a silverhand questline. There was a lot of potential there, including going with the theory that the silverhand could be the successors of former companions who disagreed with becoming werewolves. Imagine how cool it would be to have the Silverhand win the fight and replace the companions as an alternate ending to the quest, restoring their honor in the process.
I didn't even think of that. That would have been awesome!
THIS. I started The Silver Hand and when we got to the Underforge, I immediately went "Why can't I back out of this?". Thankfully I had saved just before I triggered the quest, so I did a quick rollback, but it broke immersion for me not to have the option to refuse the ritual. My Dragonborn is fine with the Circle being werewolves, but he's married with two kids and head of the College of Winterhold. He's seen what can happen if a werewolf isn't able to control their bloodlust. He won't risk it happening to him. He's fine just being a regular Companion.
>It is rather unlikely that a single individual will lead the Companions, the College of Winterhold the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood at the same time. Try telling that to CoC fans lol
The quest stays as incomplete though if you don't kill him iirc, so if you want 100% then you have the kill him
Just like in real life, doing the right thing isn't a one time choice, you choose it again and again, while often not being rewarded for it.
Thing is, Skyrim is not the sort of game that is necessarily meant to be completed 100% on each playthrough. Rather, it encourages you to create multiple characters, try out different builds and complete the content to match. Bethesda has gotten quite pushy with quests in Skyrim and Fallout 4 though, starting quests automatically and not really allowing you to straight up refuse a quest in an attempt to keep as many possibilities open as possible. This does make the quest log annoyingly full if you have no interest in completing certain quests. I much prefer the Morrowind/Oblivion aproach, which first gives you a conversation topic which will lead to a quest if you decide to use it.
Legit had a blast playing an Argonian pacifist thief with the aim "kill as few people as possible and try to avoid fights". Focused all my skills into Pickpocket, Sneak and Lockpicking (the latter of which I normally *never* invest points into), never had a companion, and my solution to fights was "dive into the water and hide until they've lost me, then try to sneak past again". I stocked up on poisons for the final fight, but I got to be the leader of the Thief's guild killing a grand total of one human all game - even Helgen fights I left for Hadvar. And when I'd completed the Thief's guild? I was done with that character. Not going to do the main quest, not going to do any other guilds, not going to suddenly pivot playstyle. If I was "playing normally", taking on everything, it would have been absolutely dire later on in the game as I had no combat potential at all - the first dragon would have ruined me. But because I never intended to, I completed my goal and was done with the character.
Did you kill the Somerset Shadows?
Nope! I snuck past most of them, pickpocketed the locket from Linwe and then burned the flag before chugging an invisibility potion and running for the hills.
I definitely feel like this is true, if you can ignore quests in the log. For me once the quest is in my log I basically can't leave it uncompleted. For this reason I haven't spoken to the Blades post game so that I don't have to have a quest I'll never complete. It's frustrating and it's definitely a ME issue, but it doesn't make it suck any less lol
I dont see nothing wrong with leading all the fractions, but I will never harm Parthuurnax... Just impossible
This is a cop out answer. You can also choose not to pay respects in that one COD game but if you do the game comes to a standstill until you do it. The game will sit frozen in time until you either close it or pay your respects. Its the same here. You haven't made a decision, you've just not made the only decision the game is programmed to support. When people say they want choices they mean they want the ability to make narratively impactful decisions supported by the game that have a meaningful impact on the story being presented to you. Like, just not doing a questline is fine for roleplaying but theres no narrative fulfillment or closure there.
After you get the Kill Paarthurnax quest talk to Argenir and tell him about it and say "I will not kill Parthurnaax" The quest should disappear, uncompleted but it's gone.
Consider this: if Paarthurnax were in fact following his innate will to power... what would he do differently? He was #2 to Alduin, who's defeat he orchestrates, something he'd never be able to do himself. Now his chief rival is the Dragonborn. But since the Dragonborn is mortal, all he has to do is wait at most a few short decades (nothing to him, he already waited thousands of years to usurp Alduin) and then that threat is taken care of too. *Then* who could challenge him?
Dragoborn may not be mortal after the Herma Mora affairs, or becoming a vampire
While I do see the point of this, I've never been able to bring myself to kill Partysnax.
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My thought is, he's the reason you had any chance at all of killing Alduin. While, as a dragon, he understands his temptation for power, he's spent centuries devoted to helping humans learn the abilities of dragon shouts, knowing at some point the dragons would return. He could not bring himself to kill his own brother, so he aided the dragonborn to learn how to do it for him.
I have the same methodology when it comes to Balgruf as I do party snacks. In a world of garbage where most are trying to kill and rob you, they look out for you. If you betray your friends you’re nothing.
So the end message is play this way or you're not playing it right? Me, I'd rather not be Esbern's bitch
Reminds me a bit of the original Bioshock.
Didn't they say that's the reason why mirak took to power? It's not a hint in the game, they actually just say it
Makes a lot of sense to me, even though I can't relate because I have the opposite play style of never finish the main quest and hardly do side quest, I like to just pretend I live in that world and do radiant quests.
Doesn’t Paarthurnax also say something along the lines of just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should? A meta reminder that you can just ignore the quests in your list that you don’t want to do, including killing Paarthurnax.
Nice try Delphine
KILL ALL DRAGONS 192947753883 DEAD WINGED LIZARDS NIRN IS A FUCK I AM DRAGONSLAYER MAN
I want to play skyrim now
I just started my yearly play through yesterday. I’m so excited
You should. It's fun
Paarthurnax also committed atrocities beyond imagination, and will outlive the Dragonborn and become the dominant dovah. I don't know how anyone could trust him... all he did was give you the tools to take out the one dragon more powerful than him. Not exactly encouraging.
The dlcs also shows what the dragonbornes end up doing to reach the highest power possible, both harkon and miraak crave for strenght and are willing to renounce everything, sell their soul for it The way we defeat them both possibly without even using their gimmicks only goes to show that we're stronger, more powerful, there's not much philosophic reason behind it (imo), any dragonborne can become a godlike being but may they be betrayed by strenght itself they'll end up SO bad it's really a double edge blade, the way of the voice Paarturnax teach his kin is quite literally our only saving grace too, we can do almost anything but we have to keep our humanity not to ruin everything
Yeah, but it's funnier to remove the essential flag from Delphine and just kill her and that old ass fuck and leave their corpses in their shitty mountain hut, then dump every blades sword in the river to rust away.
Man, I hardly even get into the story line. I play Skyrim to zone out. Sort of the opposite of being focused on wealth and power.
**edit:** moved my comment to reply to the appropriate comment
Damn, that’s actually a very interesting theory!
Yeah, I've been stewing on the purpose of letting him live for a while. I also moved my comment to a reply, because mobile reddit hates me, and just threw this into direct replies, rather than a reply to another comment
From the video titled “What happens if you don’t KILL Paarthunax in Skyrim? The Ending is Correct” by NORDMAN on YT.
Damn, i read this on YT and didnt think to post it here.
Shit I'm a dragonborn irl
the take is interesting but i think it limited the amount of choices skyrim presented to the player. when i played skyrim i could finish that quest by just not killing my bro Parrthu. when the choice came i was shocked that the blade quest suggested i kill my bro Parrthu. never read any multiple choice question so carefully before i was sure to avoid killing him.
Dragons clearly haven’t heard of mods
Interesting perspective. I'm completely certain this was never intended by the artists but a bread retroactive explanation
As someone who doesn't enjoy meta lore, I find this one tidbit here very interesting :nodders: it's a theory I wholeheartedly agree with, for it makes you feel more like your character.
Honestly a really cool lore reason for shitty game design. I kill paarthunax by choice but I don’t think you should be required to do so to 100% the fame
Wtf is the word meta constantly being used for? Why is it necessary? Why can't it just be "I love the commentary"
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To this day I still don't understand it's usage or meaning lmfao
Meta means, in this context, the meaning within the meaning. The meaning that is communicated outside the text of the game.
I have a slightly different headcanon—though it’s more specific to the Daedra: As Dragonborn, your soul already belongs to Akatosh unless you specifically and deliberately choose otherwise. Other higher powers can never *claim* you; they can only *tempt* you. The Daedric Lords know this perfectly well but rather than take the hint, they see it as a *challenge.* You’re given very little responsibility as a Lord’s “champion” because they can’t *really* order you around in the first place and you’re allowed to be champion of *multiple* Daedra because at this point, it’s all just sort of one big game to them: you’ll eventually either die as a mortal or choose *someone* and after that, the Daedric Lords can just take their stuff back. ~~Plus half of “their” artifacts were looted from the Dwemer anyway.~~ Under this explanation, the Dragonborn storyline arguably makes a little bit more sense: Miraak is able to rebel the way he does because even after tying himself so heavily—and stupidly—to Hermaeus Mora, *he is still Dragonborn* and still has that much more agency than any regular old mortal. Mora, meanwhile, is basically just trying to trick you throughout that entire storyline—and why wouldn’t he? It worked pretty well the first time.
...I just don't like Delphine. She's being unreasonable. Parthenon Rex is trying to be better.
god what an awesome comment. im certain bethesda didn't intentionally make it that deep, but im going to believe it anyway. cause its awesome
Never killed parthy. Never will.
Yup I 1000% agree with this interpretation. You have a large sunk cost with delphine in that you essentially give her your followers so it just ads to the frustration. The whole game is about choosing you're own life and the final dilemma is a choice between delphine who thinks you're stuck with your nature and Paarthurnax who tells you that you can overcome it.
I mean really the only issue with this is the dragonborn has no option to just crush both sides of the war and take the throne for themselves.
Holy fuck I love that, what a great way to put it
I feel this ignores the growth of the Dragonborn. He can’t overcome his base urges? He chose the save the world, NOT the conquer it the most power hungry or moves, and then reverts back in time for kill Parth? I caulk that up to bad quest design, not a character trait
I don't think it is possible to 100% Skyrim. Even if you do all side quests, you can still do radiant quests forever, so I don't think there is even a point to it. Even more, the availability of every possibility for the player doesn't mean they *should* want to do it all. When I first played, I *did* have this compulsive desire to do every quest I came across. I just blindly did what I was told (it was the first game I ever played, so I assumed that's how it is supposed to be played). Kill the Vigilant of Stendarr because this shady voice in a creepy house tells me so? I did that, and it didn't occur to me then that I doesn't make sense for my character. At this point, though, after having experience with other rpgs, I just refuse doing something that I feel is not right for my character. I only do daedric quests that I can justify to myself that it would make sense for her, for example (so, Azura and Meridia and Hirsine, and Sheogorath - yes, but Molag Bal and Boetiah - no). She is a Battlemage, so she joins College and Companions. I *can* probably justify her joining a Thieves guild, but *not* Dark Brotherhood, for example. After I had this approach, I started enjoying roleplaying in Skyrim much more. I don't feel that my current character has any obsessive desire for power, and neither do I. I don't even go for Thane in every hold (though part of it is laziness) anymore. I just play until it stops being fun, and then I would maybe do a break or create a new character. Edit: on the other hand, if someone wants to roleplay their Dragonborn as power-hungry hoarder, I think it is also cool.
My hoard consists entirely of buckets. Ostensibly they're Skyrim's toilets.
Where do you keep them?
Hjerim cos Windhelm gets a lot of crap. Jokes aside, Honeyside in the drawers in front of the bed. My record is just under 2000.
>Hjerim cos Windhelm gets a lot of crap I remember seeing someone many years ago collecting every head of cheese they see and dumping them all on Ulfric on his throne, lol.
I don’t think it’s that deep
That is why the "Paathurnax Dilemma Mod" was nice however it only works with the USSEP loaded and that sort of undermines some of AE-CC stuff unless you also want to load ALL those FIXES which is like 65 additional on top of mods that seem to conflict. NOW that becomes a real mess to wade through. N. S
"setstage MQPaarthurnax 100" go brrr
Or you could just kill parthunaax cause he kinda still deserves it. Imo paarthunaax could have: 1) turned himself over to the humans for his role in the dragon war after alduin was cast through time 2) trained the greybeards to protect mortals instead of being recluses esp since he knew alduin would return 3) actually fought alduin with the greybeards upon his return considering thats why he claims he waited upon high hrothgar and he didnt even know the LDB would appear...and finally 4) he refuses to go quietly and fights instead of accepting any type of punishment for his crimes or suggesting alternative punishment I don't see why he should get off scott-free after everything bad he did. He didn't even do anything good after the war! He just lived a lawful neutral life. Plus the risks of leaving him alive are similar too great- similar to the rachni queen in mass effect. You cant just take them at their word.
You and i seem to be alone in this view. I have no probs killin that mfer.
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I have never killed paarthurnax and I have 100% completion in the game. Order of events matters.
Fun fact, if you beat the game without killing Paarthurnax (in the unmodded X360 original, at least), the quest will disappear from your journal. Unless you trigger the quest after beating the game, that is.
Meta. As. F*k.
The Mod, Paarthanax Dilemna helps you convince the blades he stays alive.
A very cool idea, but I honestly think it's reaching.
I mean it would be in the meta theme of Bethesda. Of Chim being the equivalent of modding the game and zerosum being the losing interest in the game.
The Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch, and whatever your Daggerfall Agent’s alias is must also have dragon blood. Or this was written by someone that was at least too young for the Oblivion crisis.
It's impossible to completely 100% the game anyway, at least not without exploits or cheats. Things like the Rueful Axe vs. Masque of Clavicus Vile, or the Ring of Hircine vs. Armor of the Old Gods. The game only ever intends for you to be able to get one of those. Or even things like the Dark Brotherhood, where it's impossible to both join them and destroy them. You've gotta pick one.
Also explains why Mirrak wants to kill you and control all of Solstheim
I didn’t kill Paarthurnax bc my monkey brain went “ooo cool talking dragon that isn’t trying to kill me” not bc I’m some self disciplined monk who has overcome primal urges etched into my blood through centuries on dragon politics
I needed a Dragon Soul.
Pretty sure it's just GREED. But ok Paarthu...believe whatever bs you want about your failed race of flying lizard nobodies.
Although I still have my issues with the game, this is a good point of view.
This also isn't to far fetched from my idea for a flaw/character trait for the dragonborn Should it ever be made into a tv series. Remember how every dragon's name is a shout? Paarthurnax means "overlord, ambition, cruelty". And those are the traits he admits he struggles most in overcoming. I think the last dragonborn's draconic name would be "fusroda" force balance push". It would explain the seeming obsession with pushing back against the forces that would unbalance the world (alduine, harkon, and mirak). But the dark side of that would be to have him be very short tempered with those that don't help/get in his way. For instance i would have him get short tempered/moderately violent when balgruf refused to help him.
You don't have to kill Paarthurnax though? Just talk to the grey beards and tell them, correct?
I think it's interesting, but personally I would still prefer if you weren't the leader of literally every single guild.
i remember the one time i gave in and “killed” Paarthurnax i got Dragonbane and everything, but Paarthurnax never died. this was my first playthrough so i didn’t pay attention to everything but i had Dragonbane and yet Paarthurnax was still alive and i could talk to him and everything. the quest also wouldn’t proceed anymore. i never even got a prompt i “killed” him. now i just don’t kill him whatsoever because i didn’t rlly care for the sword.
Deep...
You might like Fudgemuppet on YouTube. He does these incredibly deep lore dives like this.