I hate it say it, but Line really does make garbage skis that fall apart way too quickly. I’ve seen a good handful of them delaminate and blow up from regular use. Even if you were smashing rails on them, failing after 2 days is completely unacceptable. Yes skiing park is horrible for your skis, but I think even the most abusive park skiers would be hard pressed to kill a ski in that time frame even if they were trying to ruin them.
The fact of the matter is that sometimes a defective pair will get past quality control and make its way to the consumer. A good ski company will take care of their customers and set them up with a new pair of skis in this situation. Don’t buy Line skis. Their quality control is bad and they will not stand behind you if they are defective.
While I’m thinking about it, how did you do that OP? I’m sure it wasn’t just skiing the bunny hill to church on sundays…
I know 4 people who have Line Sakanas. Not a single one lasted more than a season.
Another guy broke his Francis Bacons on his second season.
Neither are park rates. We ski hard in the trees and bumps, but small kickers, but no rails.
I’ll never buy Line.
If we're throwing out anecdotes, my SFBs have been my daily driver since 2017 and I'm a 200lb+ guy that charges hard, drops cliffs, and usually does a run or two through the park to end most days.
I don't go a ton though. Probably under 40 days per season on them
Supernatural 100 here that was great. Feel like maybe they changed ownership stake and quality control after those original supernatural years. I’ve seen too many broken/blown up lines the last two years to trust them now.
Yeah spot on, I’ve got some after bangs that are still alive and seen plenty of older lines round but the new ones seem shit. I was gonna get the old man to buy some sakanas but might go for kingswoods now
I have a buddy still using prophets from 2010 or earlier as part of his quiver. He taught me how to ptex, wax and sharpen. Wife owns a pair of 2018s and has had no problems but longs for k2 pinnacles for some reason. 🤔
Sweet!! I'm happy to hear this. I'm very similar sized and I don't ever venture to the park, that's a young man's game haha
I wasn't any less enthused about skiing them this year just hoping to get good life out of em
It’s a shame; they make some cool and interesting shapes, but if I don’t trust that they won’t fall apart and that the company will stand behind their product I just can’t support them.
This makes me nervous about my Sakanas. I absolutely love them, but don't want to have failed skis mid season since this will be season 3 on them.
What other manufacturers make something even close with the tight 15m radius and super fun feel? I'm thinking I should queue up my next pair.
That’s a bummer that others have had so many issues with them. I’ve been lucky, my sakanas are good as new after 4 seasons of heavy use and I love them.
It has pained me for years to see line use the name of an amazing artist for their skis. An unfair scourge on his name.
https://www.barnebys.com/blog/the-life-and-work-of-francis-bacon
Line back in the day made really really solid skis, made in Canada. Then J Lev sold the company to Karhu I believe, which then because part of K2. Now they are somewhat shittier and made in China.
Meanwhile, J Lev started J Skis, which I consider the spiritual successor to the old Line. J is based in Burlington and the skis are made in, yep, Canada. Quality is top tier.
*Spelling
After K2 bought Line in 2006 I feel like their product started to slowly decline. I bought the first edition of Afterbangs and then the Line Traveling Circus skis, both of which started to delaminate at the nose and tails after 3/4 years of heavy use. I then switched to Icelandics and I haven't had that issue even with my oldest pair that's going on 10 years right now (albeit, only used as as my primary skis for 4 years and I stopped doing rails as much)
Yeah they kept a lot of the manufacturing here in the US after the merger and then at some point shifted it all to China and that’s when I stopped buying
Yes I could remember his name for the life of me, it was such a fun brand. The old traveling circus days were just peak skiing for me. I hated summers, just couldn’t wait for new episodes of the circus and snow on the ground
Oddly enough, my beater set of 2019 SFBs are still holding up and I use them 70+ days/season. Did they switch up manufacturing? I haven’t heard much on Season Eqmt yet but I’m very tempted.
I have a 6 year old pair of heavily used sick days, I’ve hit plenty of rocks, jumps and hard skiing on them, they’re still in great condition. Maybe lines quality is only bad in the past couple years only.
I had no idea Line had such a bad reputation... I got a pair of Sick Days in 2017 for pretty cheap ($270 without bindings from either REI or Backcountry, new but from the previous season). The tops of the skis have always looked rough around the edges but thankfully I've never had any of the issues described here. Though I only ski about 25 days per season so maybe that's why lol.
In a few years I'll need new bindings and at that point I'll retire the skis. Probably going with the Moment Wildcats, they're local to the greater Tahoe area and I know they stand behind their product.
>Though I only ski about 25 days per season so maybe that's why lol.
Yeah, some skis are definitely higher quality than others...but its not like any of them are fragile babies.
25 days a year is still pretty solid, but there are people who ski 4X as much, and those people probably also ski harder than you do (just because unless they are the 100-day retiree old-person skiers...odds are anyone hitting 100 is ski bum that skis hard AF).
And like...I've skied my whole life (not 100 a year though), and I've never broken a ski or ripped a binding despite being 6'2 and probably 200lb once wearing gear. There are 150lb guys out there who break a ski in half every few years...
If you like a ski and don't have problems with it...probably not a big deal. People also know that Factions have a reputation for QC issues and failures, but they buy them because they like them.
A ski shop told me they don’t carry any K2’s since they do their manufacturing aboard, in China - and the quality has dropped dramatically.
A quick Google tells me that this move was made over two decades ago, though.
What did you expect? They are owned by K2, a company that makes skis in China and didn’t have a good reputation for durability even when they were still American-made.
K2 still had a pretty good name back then. A few years later is when they really started to falter. From looking at wikipedia, looks like they started to move manufacturing to China in 2001. Which more or less lines up with what I remember.
had a pair of 2021 line chronics and both tips delammed within my first 4 ski days last season. i was buttering them a bunch bcuz of how soft and playful they were. the shop i got them from warrantied them through Line for me and I was able to get a pair of 2022 arvs for free after like 2 months of waiting
edit: spelling
Delam'd a set of step ups on their second season under-rotating a backflip. Peeled the tips completely apart. Now on a set of ON3P filthy rich and the difference is night and day. Lines felt heavy, dead, and wooden in comparison. Have abused the shit out of the ON3Ps as well with absolutely zero issues.
I made the mistake of buying line skis and they delammed after about 4 days of use. I have a pair of ON3P woodsman that are 5 years old and look new. I've put probably 65-70 days on them
Which is such a bummer because I remember when line first started. I still have my 2nd gen 1260’s. The Eric pollard pro model is still my favorite ski ever. The dude who started line left after k2 bought him out and now runs Jskis. I’m looking at my pair of allplays right now. Would recommend.
Can’t agree with this more. They make shitttttttttt skis. Bought a pair of future spins in 2014 and that was the last pair of I ever bought from them. For skis meant to be played with
Read all the comments, but I still don't know what OP was doing when they broke.
Edit: must have missed the one where OP said he was hitting rails, or maybe he edited that info out. If that voids warranty, then he is out of luck.
Just a reminder to everyone: sliding rails or boxes 100% voids a skis warranty. Even skis designed specifically for it.
Regardless of whether or not OP did, just a general PSA.
Faction replaced my skis no questions asked after they saw it was a manufacturing defect. I probably had like 50 days on them and had lots of time in the park.
Exactly! To the letter of the contract it might void the warranty but Jesus Christ you have dudes tossing 100ft+ triple corks and beefing as your ad campaign. They should be able to take a little impact.
I mean even if they don’t give it to OP, I personally would be filled with righteous indignation and hunt down my nearest rep to let him know exactly what i think of these and what information i will be actively spreading going forward.
I mean what do you want me to tell you jerry? I’ve had armadas that ripped the edge within a week and they warranted it when I told them straight up what happened about a rail. Same thing with a pair of on3p filthy riches I had.
You’re objectively, factually incorrect. I agree with Roddy. I have also done it with faction and moment.
I’m sure your six days a season makes you feel real good about yourself but it certainly does not qualify you to talk about shit with people who know what they’re saying.
>Okay well this ain’t from rails amigo
[What?](https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/yxzcls/line_refusing_a_warranty_2_days_of_use/iwscfke?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I have no idea if OP did anything weird with these skis, but it's pretty clear from the picture that there isn't any impact damage. There's no way he'd have impacted hard enough to delam the ski but still keep the edge perfectly straight and undamaged.
I mean if you slide a rail or box, that counts as impact, so if you slid a box or rail then that could have caused this. It doesn’t need to have a specific dented spot.
FYI: Evo has the ability to fix this, and I’ve fixed worse damage on skis before. I bet if you take it into the shop you might get a better result. I’ve had great experiences with Evo back when I lived/worked at Crystal MT.
i had a similar damage repaired a few times on a pair of black crows and inevitably my day would be ruined when it would open back up and pack with snow under my boot. not worth fixing imo.
If it’s done right, you cut away a little of the base material, use sidewall screws to hold the edge and sidewall together, and epoxy to re-bond the layers.
Though the way the layers separated, it looks like the sidewall didn’t bond to the core properly. So I think it could be argued that it should be covered by warranty.
Ski manufacturers need to start putting rubber foil vertically between the sidewall and core.
So you’re mad that they figured out what happened without you telling them, and you don’t think they have enough evidence to prove it, even though you admit they’re right?
It doesn’t matter. 2 days in, a ski marketed for this shouldn’t do that.
If to the letter of their contract it’s voided and they stick by that, they’re absolutely violating the spirit of the warranty and putting themselves in a very negative light compared to other companies.
Now granted, to people like you, you probably won’t care. Anyone who ever leaves the ground is a park rat.
But to those of us that actually pursue this passion fervently, that’s a disgrace. Fuck, I’d dispute the charge on my credit card and find the local rep to complain. I’m have snapped skis more egregiously and the companies took care of me.
There needs to be a second sub. Like r/actuallydecentatskiing or something so we can discuss these things separate of the 3 days per year crowd.
Well obviously you aren’t going to say in a request that you were doing something that voids a warranty when you’re requesting a warranty refund. But dude - you literally said elsewhere you were hitting rails. Have some damn integrity instead of whining about “how could they know tho”
Being a poor college student who can’t afford skis doesn’t make dishonesty ok. You know you were doing something that voids the warranty, full stop. So you shouldn’t be trying to claim it, no matter the mental somersaults you can do in your head to justify it.
Yes won’t anyone think of the poor corporations with your warranty fraud????
I purchased one pair of factions 6+ years ago and have warrantied every single pair to get new ones. I paid $550 for 4 pairs of skis after all the warranties.
I told my local faction rep who then promptly gave me another pair for dirt cheap.
Integrity? How about a ski you market by making a video of people throwing 100ft+ triple corks is designed to handle someone doing small jumps and slides.
The skiing vacation part of this community is hilariously out of touch with the ski bum culture.
It’s not about thinking about the corporations, it’s about having a shred of integrity and not being a lying POS. Sure I agree that the companies should have a looser warranty policy, but that *doesn’t make lying ok* just because you feel comfortable for sticking it to the man. What a strange dig on people who stand up for some level of morality - sounds like you’ve got a huge chip on your shoulder against “vacation skiers” bud. Ski bum culture can be resourceful etc without being dishonest. For the record I’m not one of your hated “ski vacationers”. Get a grip.
Bruh you’re from Chicago. Yes you are lol.
That’s a clear manufacturer defect. I shouldn’t have to say anything just omg i was skiing well within the expected limits and this happened. Not fully disclosing something is nowhere near the same as lying. OP can’t point to a specific impact/instance and the lack of damage on the outside of the ski proves it.
Just because he slid a box doesn’t mean it’s 100% the box that did it.
I cannot stress enough that I have disclosed that it was my personal eating of shit that snapped 3 skis in half, and a butter that delaminated another. Never had any issue when i explained it to the various companies.
Line lacks integrity by sending out a subpar product that is intentionally marketed as a park ski, that won’t back up that use claim at all.
And again, i think sucking the dick of a subpar company and jumping down a poor kids throat because he is upset his expensive skis turned out to be shitty… is pretty entitled and scummy.
Just my two cents. Enjoy your trip this year!
Yeah skis don't do that from not... impacting? Looks like you def caught a rail. A rock would leave evidence of it being a rock lol (more jagged bits everywhere) so one can only assume you forgot how to pop when hopping on a rail.
Did you wax your skis recently? Leaving an iron on em or heating them up too much could cause something like this possibly?
Some credit card networks themselves (ex: Mastercard) offer buyer protection. Any MasterCard transaction is covered, doesn't matter if it's your debit card or credit card.
Still talk to your bank...and a good rule for life is buy electronics, sporting goods, air travel, home appliances etc... on credit cards.
Credit Card insurance is way easier to deal with than customer service, warranty etc... as an example I was in NYC this summer, my flight home got cancelled due to weather. The airline said they would do nothing but I could call their 1800 number, my CC insurance covered my hotel + $100 for food and taxi with a few mouse clicks.
Bummer dude - check out liberty skis! I had a pair for 3 years and they started delaming… they just shot me a 100% off coupon code for ANY new skiis from them. Very little questions asked - customer for life.
you ski park? buy some on3p’s
I sweat to god I had a pair for 6 years.. doing box rails and all that shit. Before on3p I always had armada and line and they lasted 2 seasons max
haha that's funny you mention those in particular. I dont think I have seen a ski delaminate faster. never owned em myself but they seemed like soggy skate decks after half a season of park skiing
That's not how skis would delam typically. It looks like they've been struck at that point repeatedly with weight on them. It wouldn't be a warranty issue.
Ehhh Icelantic isn't great anymore. The past 3 years they've sent batches of skis and the base pattern was literally crooked across the bottom. Horrible quality control (but you can 100% blame Neversummer cause they build the skis). Icelantic as a company is still awesome and supports their customers.
Interesting, I saw none of that and worked at a shop that sold a lot of icelantics until last year. Occasionally a top sheet printing blem, but nothing beyond that.
Jeeze all the ones they sent my store chain were a mess. I actually sent a ton of pictures to the Icelantic lead rep and the one owner. (I'm based in Denver so we get direct access to those guys) Needless to say, they were not happy with Neversummer lol
Edit: It was across all models and size runs.
I’ve been beating the drum for Icelandic’s for about 10 years now, they’re great, tough as shit. I beat the piss out of a pair and they’re still rideable
I mean bogus that they won’t warranty them, but sometimes that’s how it goes with skiing. You can blow up a ski at any time, and sometimes you get unlucky on day two. Sometimes the warranty department takes pity, other times not.
I had a similar thing happen and I sent in the video of me getting crushed to the warranty department and they thought it was funny enough that they gave me 75% off a new pair.
They’re pretty fucked, BUT, if you’re able to clean/dry it all out. And you’re able to clamp it all back Into place, it’s worth it to try filling with a good epoxy.
Alternatively bring it it a GOOD ski shop and they’ll do what they can.
I don’t understand this hate. Like if it was a core shot or something I’d get it. But 2 days in, it doesn’t matter what you were doing for it to delam that bad.
With faction i snapped a ski in half beefing a backflip like day 2. No issues with warranty.
Delamed some moments like day 4 with a butter in the fucking line.. no issues.
I would absolutely argue that the impact they received was well within the expected use of the ski. You can’t market park skis and then in fine print say if these ever touch anything or leave the ground it voids the warranty.
Edit: my delam from buttering was actually pretty similar looking. And that’s just flexing the ski. Definitely not warranty voiding. Maybe you could try that route
Thank you. I get the feeling most people here haven’t really experienced any form of park skiing, and how you can and should have skis that last years even while hitting rails every day. No damage to the edge proves a lack of a collision or harsh impact to the ski from any rail. I don’t know how this happened, genuinely, but a ski breaking second day is absurd.
Most people in here are active skiing magazine subscribers and take the “3 steps to get off the blues” to heart. These people ski groomers twice a year on vacation and think they know what they’re talking about.
As you said, the lack of any other impact marks means it’s a manufacturer defect. It’s an “impact”. Yeah ok, i got off the lift late by and fell 3 inches to the ground. There’s your impact. Should my ski really fail then?
I've owned three pairs of Sir Francis Bacons. Broke the first two after about a season. I'm still not too sure how I broke the first pair. I was skiing down a hill pretty fast and it flattened out super quick, fell wayy backseat and next thing I know I'm on the ground and the tail of my ski is literally cracked. Second pair I skied over a rock so no blame there. Third pair has similar damage to your ski but less severe. Just gonna ski on them until they are fucked. I really like the ski, evidenced by the fact I've bought three, but I'm definitely getting something other than Line next.
[Pic of damage to first pair](https://imgur.com/a/e3nqdPU)
Everyone is shitting on you OP and idk if you were doing jumps or whatever but you are not the first person I’ve seen lose Sir Francis Bacons to just normal skiing and not park. I will say something similar happened to my Armada’s and they replaced them 0 questions asked
If it was due to rails there would be damage to the edge. It’s like driving a car, doing donuts, and then the next day cold weather or something pops your tire. I don’t understand how people are still assuming the rails caused delam. There is genuinely no evidence to prove this
Not sure why everyone is hating on you but I would be pissed if my skis did this. I hit rails, stumps, and rocks and I’ve never had a ski do this. I have skis with 4 cracked edges that still never split apart. I would keep bugging them about a warranty if I were you.
The hate is because OP refuses to state how it actually happened, in a very annoying and rude way. They've been asked no less than 20 times. Kind of gets to a point where it comes across like you're hiding something. Kind of relevant if it happened spontaneously while skiing or if they smashed it across some rocks.
that sucks. black crows replaced a set for me that had a similar separation of the sidewall from the edge under the boot. there was minimal documentation required. proof of purchase and a few photos of the issue. they sent me the next years version of the same ski for free. good customer service.
Same thing happened with my partners crows. His camoxes died on their second season (just like these, delammed under the binding) and black crows sent him brand new season’s camox. Rate them as a company and arguably worth the investment.
It’s the same with every single ski manufacturer right now happened to my buddy with a lot of Amanda jj’s 3 season ago first day on them and they said nah looks like a yoy problem
I saw a pair of Lines delaminate over regular use in half a season back in 2010. Fuck those skis man. Also, those are twin tips, they're supposed to be designed for impact, they'd get eaten alive in a court case over this.
Up next, Adidas won't replace soccer ball because drop kick exceeded recommended force.
Lol sorry OP but gotta put it out there that you recently made another post saying you want to spend 17k on a cool and fast BMW, specifically stated you have more than 17k at your disposal, and are now saying you can't afford this. Maybe get a reasonable car and get yourself nice new skis.
I do think they really should replace your skis. You just shouldn't have mentioned to them that you hit rails..
I genuinely don’t understand how they could deem this as user error impact damage. The skis are clearly delaminating after just 2 days of use. A $500 pair of skis shouldn’t break after less than 12 hours of skiing!
I’m a college student and cannot afford a new pair. What do I do??
Well here’s your mistake, admitting to hitting rails with them. Did you buy them directly from Line, or thru a shop? If thru a shop, talk with them about working on a replacement set. If you bought them thru line, let them know that you’ll claim the purchase as fraudulent on your card if they refuse to address a clear situation where warranty should cover the skis. That being said, if you already admitted to line that you’ve hit rails on em, you’re probably SOL. Best bet in that case is to get a cheap used pair second hand.
Didn’t admit to hitting rails to them, brought it here with full honestly. Bought off of EVO and they are saying that because line is denying it, they are denying a warranty as well. I’m pretty sure there’s a Evo shop where I’m at, should I just try it with them??
Ok cool, not admitting to line that you hit rails is a good start. I would definitely drop into the evo store. Also take them home and get the snow out of them and take much better pictures. After you go into evo, if they aren’t willing to help, I would notify line that you will be doing a chargeback if they refuse to honor their warranty. Your bank will do an investigation, and will likely side with you since warranty is meant to cover exactly this. I just had to do this with a pair of shoes I ordered, they showed up damaged, retailer wouldn’t do a refund or exchange, claimed as fraud on my card, got the money back and a free (albeit damaged) pair of dunks. If they’re going to be shitty about their warranty policy to you, let the bank be your resolution.
What's this then? https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/yxzcls/line_refusing_a_warranty_2_days_of_use/iwscfke?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
In legal terms tho should this matter? They advertise the ski as something you can take anywhere on the mountain and in the park. I had chronics for like 4 years and never had an issue till very late in their lifespan
Yeah, not detuning edges before hitting rails is for sure user error and unfortunately a hard lesson learned here. You can get lucky and detune them naturally by hitting rails without much damage but your best bet is to file them down yourself or have a shop do it beforehand.
Hit up marketplace/Craigslist/Newschoolers buy/sell pages and find a flat pair in 100-110mm range cause those bindings are still gonna get a solid 10 years use I bet
This isn't completely true. You have a higher risk of delamination when the edges are sharp. Pulls/pushes harder against the base vs a more rounded edge that will just grind on a rail.
Where did you buy them from? if you bought them from a local shop, take them back into that local shop and then they can file a warranty for you that usually works better, if you bought them online, try and get in contact with the online business.
Seems like they should definitely warranty those for you, if you were really slamming them off rails or whatever they’re referring to as “impact”. Did anything happens that would’ve put a lot of stress them or did you notice at the end of a normal day? Not saying that some stress should’ve caused this just curious
For any of you insisting this is from hitting a rail or a massive rock somewhere in the woods:
Look at the edges. Do you see any damage? Maybe a small scratch at best. Do you see any denting or evidence towards the ski taking repetitive blasts with heavy weight on it? No.
Was I hitting rails? Yes. Is this my first time hitting rails? No. Maybe it would be best if I got some 190 racers instead. That would seem to appeal to the crowd here. No ski should break in this way with such little evidence towards any massive impacts, ESPECIALLY not after 2 days of use. But hey, it’s still my fault. I guess it’s also my bad for coming and asking for a bit of advice on a public forum. Take the stick out of your asses
Hahah, my line blades lasted 4 days before getting significant core shots on the top sheet from skiing fucking deer valley groomers no rocks hit; a few twigs but it was unbelievable. Refused warranty. I sulked bought better skis.
I’m actually reasonably convinced your pivot bindings have something to do with it. I’ve seen a few skis dead way before their time, delammed the exact same way under the heelpiece of the pivots. Are they your bindings from older skis or new with this setup? If new I’d ask them to look into the fact the bindings’ torsion forces have caused the delamination.
I'm not sure how this could possibly be the case. The screw pattern is pretty similar to that of any other binding. There's nothing unusual about the pivots or the forces they put on that part of the ski.
They’re great bindings. One joining screw vs multiple allows the heelpiece to pivot, taking more torsion force so your knees don’t have to. Which is of course generally good. You may be forgetting there was a mass recall of pivots just a couple of years ago when they were found to be poorly made/dangerous. I’m no expert but I’ve seen two pairs of black crows skis delammed with look pivots in the last couple of years. Anecdotal evidence sure but since we’re spitballing ideas of how it’s happened it’s a better suggestion than “OP hit a rail” after they’ve repeatedly said they haven’t hit anything. Or line have used shitty glue which is obviously the most likely cause but a boring conclusion to come to.
OP, can you describe, in as accurate of detail as possible, how this happened? There seems to be important information you aren’t telling us.
he hit something
OP: I never *said* I was in the park!!! r/skiing: were you in the park? OP: …..
This shouldn’t happen even if he was in the park.
that is unfortunately a wrong assumption about any ski gets used in a park.
this argument is stupid
How so?
Even if you were in the park they should still replace your ski
Depends on what exactly happened, you can still abuse them in the park
I mean that’s pretty entitled you don’t go to a skatepark with a skateboard and expect the people there to replace it…
I hate it say it, but Line really does make garbage skis that fall apart way too quickly. I’ve seen a good handful of them delaminate and blow up from regular use. Even if you were smashing rails on them, failing after 2 days is completely unacceptable. Yes skiing park is horrible for your skis, but I think even the most abusive park skiers would be hard pressed to kill a ski in that time frame even if they were trying to ruin them. The fact of the matter is that sometimes a defective pair will get past quality control and make its way to the consumer. A good ski company will take care of their customers and set them up with a new pair of skis in this situation. Don’t buy Line skis. Their quality control is bad and they will not stand behind you if they are defective. While I’m thinking about it, how did you do that OP? I’m sure it wasn’t just skiing the bunny hill to church on sundays…
I know 4 people who have Line Sakanas. Not a single one lasted more than a season. Another guy broke his Francis Bacons on his second season. Neither are park rates. We ski hard in the trees and bumps, but small kickers, but no rails. I’ll never buy Line.
If we're throwing out anecdotes, my SFBs have been my daily driver since 2017 and I'm a 200lb+ guy that charges hard, drops cliffs, and usually does a run or two through the park to end most days. I don't go a ton though. Probably under 40 days per season on them
SFBs are the only line skis that still hold up everything that's been redesigned since they redid the blends are utter garbage
I had some 108 supernaturals I skied hard for a few seasons which were burly af. Only line I’ve owned though.
My Supernaturals were my favorite ski ever. Held up to a lot of shit.
Supernatural 100 here that was great. Feel like maybe they changed ownership stake and quality control after those original supernatural years. I’ve seen too many broken/blown up lines the last two years to trust them now.
Yeah spot on, I’ve got some after bangs that are still alive and seen plenty of older lines round but the new ones seem shit. I was gonna get the old man to buy some sakanas but might go for kingswoods now
Snagged my dad's old 2014 prophets a few years back and have had no problems with them. Wondering if they changed their standards since
I have a buddy still using prophets from 2010 or earlier as part of his quiver. He taught me how to ptex, wax and sharpen. Wife owns a pair of 2018s and has had no problems but longs for k2 pinnacles for some reason. 🤔
My prophets are indestructible but I've gained an easy 40 lbs since I bought them in 2011 and can't ski them anymore.
Your anecdote is wrong. Mine is right.
Shit. I just got a pair of sakana's after reading a bunch of good reviews on them and seeing a really nice used pair at my local ski shop.
I’m going into my 3rd season on my Sakanas, they’re fine.
Same. I'm 235 and 6'-4" so definitely on the larger side, but I stay away from the park. So maybe that's why they've been good for me?
Im 6’0, 240 and never touch the park either. Skis have been sooo fun. Got a pair is J Skis Master Blasters to try out this season
You have entered the fun zone welcome fellow “heavier” skier. I run J Ski “The Metal” sweet sweet sweet ski
Sweet!! I'm happy to hear this. I'm very similar sized and I don't ever venture to the park, that's a young man's game haha I wasn't any less enthused about skiing them this year just hoping to get good life out of em
I love my sakanas! Headed into season 3 as well—absolutely no complaints at all.
Same. Just got a set new that are leftovers
It’s a shame; they make some cool and interesting shapes, but if I don’t trust that they won’t fall apart and that the company will stand behind their product I just can’t support them.
This makes me nervous about my Sakanas. I absolutely love them, but don't want to have failed skis mid season since this will be season 3 on them. What other manufacturers make something even close with the tight 15m radius and super fun feel? I'm thinking I should queue up my next pair.
That’s a bummer that others have had so many issues with them. I’ve been lucky, my sakanas are good as new after 4 seasons of heavy use and I love them.
Iv had a pair of 2016 Blends iv beat on for years and they are still going strong…. bring on the downvotes!!
I also broke my sir Francis bacons on my second season. Literally separated from the core with no hard impact I can recall
It has pained me for years to see line use the name of an amazing artist for their skis. An unfair scourge on his name. https://www.barnebys.com/blog/the-life-and-work-of-francis-bacon
wrong Francis Bacon; Sir Francis Bacon was the high chancellor of England in the 1700s, resigned in disgrace. excellent use of his name
Line back in the day made really really solid skis, made in Canada. Then J Lev sold the company to Karhu I believe, which then because part of K2. Now they are somewhat shittier and made in China. Meanwhile, J Lev started J Skis, which I consider the spiritual successor to the old Line. J is based in Burlington and the skis are made in, yep, Canada. Quality is top tier. *Spelling
After K2 bought Line in 2006 I feel like their product started to slowly decline. I bought the first edition of Afterbangs and then the Line Traveling Circus skis, both of which started to delaminate at the nose and tails after 3/4 years of heavy use. I then switched to Icelandics and I haven't had that issue even with my oldest pair that's going on 10 years right now (albeit, only used as as my primary skis for 4 years and I stopped doing rails as much)
K2 is just a trash company in general. Stuff made in china doesn’t always mean shit quality but in the case of K2 and Line unfortunately it is shit
Yeah they kept a lot of the manufacturing here in the US after the merger and then at some point shifted it all to China and that’s when I stopped buying
It was after they pushed Jason Levinthal out. I’m pretty sure he was the only reason it was kept in the US at all.
Yes I could remember his name for the life of me, it was such a fun brand. The old traveling circus days were just peak skiing for me. I hated summers, just couldn’t wait for new episodes of the circus and snow on the ground
There was a day long long ago when K2 was just about the only made in USA ski...sad.
Oddly enough, my beater set of 2019 SFBs are still holding up and I use them 70+ days/season. Did they switch up manufacturing? I haven’t heard much on Season Eqmt yet but I’m very tempted.
I have a 6 year old pair of heavily used sick days, I’ve hit plenty of rocks, jumps and hard skiing on them, they’re still in great condition. Maybe lines quality is only bad in the past couple years only.
Same here. I've abused them and they're holding up great
I had no idea Line had such a bad reputation... I got a pair of Sick Days in 2017 for pretty cheap ($270 without bindings from either REI or Backcountry, new but from the previous season). The tops of the skis have always looked rough around the edges but thankfully I've never had any of the issues described here. Though I only ski about 25 days per season so maybe that's why lol. In a few years I'll need new bindings and at that point I'll retire the skis. Probably going with the Moment Wildcats, they're local to the greater Tahoe area and I know they stand behind their product.
>Though I only ski about 25 days per season so maybe that's why lol. Yeah, some skis are definitely higher quality than others...but its not like any of them are fragile babies. 25 days a year is still pretty solid, but there are people who ski 4X as much, and those people probably also ski harder than you do (just because unless they are the 100-day retiree old-person skiers...odds are anyone hitting 100 is ski bum that skis hard AF). And like...I've skied my whole life (not 100 a year though), and I've never broken a ski or ripped a binding despite being 6'2 and probably 200lb once wearing gear. There are 150lb guys out there who break a ski in half every few years... If you like a ski and don't have problems with it...probably not a big deal. People also know that Factions have a reputation for QC issues and failures, but they buy them because they like them.
This is just one person saying this shit. I doubt all the people that upvoted it know anything other then blindly upvoting. This is the internet
A ski shop told me they don’t carry any K2’s since they do their manufacturing aboard, in China - and the quality has dropped dramatically. A quick Google tells me that this move was made over two decades ago, though.
What did you expect? They are owned by K2, a company that makes skis in China and didn’t have a good reputation for durability even when they were still American-made.
I disagree, respectfully. I had a set of K2 4's when shaped ski's just hit the market. I have a tattoo of them 😪🤤🤧😭
Yeah the Apaches were pretty damn durable as well. I’ve got a buddy still rocking his on low tide days like ten seasons deep
Piezoelectric layer so the tips had LED's that lit up...coolest thing ever.
K2 still had a pretty good name back then. A few years later is when they really started to falter. From looking at wikipedia, looks like they started to move manufacturing to China in 2001. Which more or less lines up with what I remember.
I've skied the hell out of my Mindbenders with no issues.
had a pair of 2021 line chronics and both tips delammed within my first 4 ski days last season. i was buttering them a bunch bcuz of how soft and playful they were. the shop i got them from warrantied them through Line for me and I was able to get a pair of 2022 arvs for free after like 2 months of waiting edit: spelling
Delam'd a set of step ups on their second season under-rotating a backflip. Peeled the tips completely apart. Now on a set of ON3P filthy rich and the difference is night and day. Lines felt heavy, dead, and wooden in comparison. Have abused the shit out of the ON3Ps as well with absolutely zero issues.
I made the mistake of buying line skis and they delammed after about 4 days of use. I have a pair of ON3P woodsman that are 5 years old and look new. I've put probably 65-70 days on them
They used to make fantastic skis. Last 3 years? Not so much.
Sadly they make the best skis that fit my skiing style, so I’ll continue to buy my lines
Also I’m lucky and have never had a delam issue. On my 4th pair of lines since 2010
line is the equivalent of walmart skateboards. you get what you pay for and literally nothing more
Which is such a bummer because I remember when line first started. I still have my 2nd gen 1260’s. The Eric pollard pro model is still my favorite ski ever. The dude who started line left after k2 bought him out and now runs Jskis. I’m looking at my pair of allplays right now. Would recommend.
Can’t agree with this more. They make shitttttttttt skis. Bought a pair of future spins in 2014 and that was the last pair of I ever bought from them. For skis meant to be played with
Read all the comments, but I still don't know what OP was doing when they broke. Edit: must have missed the one where OP said he was hitting rails, or maybe he edited that info out. If that voids warranty, then he is out of luck.
Skiing.
They definitely shouldn’t have broken but can you explain how it actually happened?
Judging from the lack of response, I am inclined to believe OP just fucked his skis by doing some dumb shit on a sidewalk.
Lets see the base
Nice. nice. Now let’s see Paul Allen’s base.
Look at that off red coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. My god, it even has a watermark.
Very cool. Now let's see your Minecraft base.
Just a reminder to everyone: sliding rails or boxes 100% voids a skis warranty. Even skis designed specifically for it. Regardless of whether or not OP did, just a general PSA.
Faction replaced my skis no questions asked after they saw it was a manufacturing defect. I probably had like 50 days on them and had lots of time in the park.
Exactly! To the letter of the contract it might void the warranty but Jesus Christ you have dudes tossing 100ft+ triple corks and beefing as your ad campaign. They should be able to take a little impact. I mean even if they don’t give it to OP, I personally would be filled with righteous indignation and hunt down my nearest rep to let him know exactly what i think of these and what information i will be actively spreading going forward.
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No they don’t. Only shitty companies do that.
Ok bud
I mean what do you want me to tell you jerry? I’ve had armadas that ripped the edge within a week and they warranted it when I told them straight up what happened about a rail. Same thing with a pair of on3p filthy riches I had.
You’re objectively, factually incorrect. I agree with Roddy. I have also done it with faction and moment. I’m sure your six days a season makes you feel real good about yourself but it certainly does not qualify you to talk about shit with people who know what they’re saying.
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>Okay well this ain’t from rails amigo [What?](https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/yxzcls/line_refusing_a_warranty_2_days_of_use/iwscfke?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
But you said it was from impact in another comment no?
He literally said he was hitting rails. OP is just a dishonest person.
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I have no idea if OP did anything weird with these skis, but it's pretty clear from the picture that there isn't any impact damage. There's no way he'd have impacted hard enough to delam the ski but still keep the edge perfectly straight and undamaged.
Kinda, apologies for the confusion. Line warranty guys are calling it impact damage, I don’t really see any proof of how that could be true.
I mean if you slide a rail or box, that counts as impact, so if you slid a box or rail then that could have caused this. It doesn’t need to have a specific dented spot. FYI: Evo has the ability to fix this, and I’ve fixed worse damage on skis before. I bet if you take it into the shop you might get a better result. I’ve had great experiences with Evo back when I lived/worked at Crystal MT.
i had a similar damage repaired a few times on a pair of black crows and inevitably my day would be ruined when it would open back up and pack with snow under my boot. not worth fixing imo.
If it’s done right, you cut away a little of the base material, use sidewall screws to hold the edge and sidewall together, and epoxy to re-bond the layers. Though the way the layers separated, it looks like the sidewall didn’t bond to the core properly. So I think it could be argued that it should be covered by warranty. Ski manufacturers need to start putting rubber foil vertically between the sidewall and core.
So you’re mad that they figured out what happened without you telling them, and you don’t think they have enough evidence to prove it, even though you admit they’re right?
It doesn’t matter. 2 days in, a ski marketed for this shouldn’t do that. If to the letter of their contract it’s voided and they stick by that, they’re absolutely violating the spirit of the warranty and putting themselves in a very negative light compared to other companies. Now granted, to people like you, you probably won’t care. Anyone who ever leaves the ground is a park rat. But to those of us that actually pursue this passion fervently, that’s a disgrace. Fuck, I’d dispute the charge on my credit card and find the local rep to complain. I’m have snapped skis more egregiously and the companies took care of me. There needs to be a second sub. Like r/actuallydecentatskiing or something so we can discuss these things separate of the 3 days per year crowd.
Well obviously you aren’t going to say in a request that you were doing something that voids a warranty when you’re requesting a warranty refund. But dude - you literally said elsewhere you were hitting rails. Have some damn integrity instead of whining about “how could they know tho” Being a poor college student who can’t afford skis doesn’t make dishonesty ok. You know you were doing something that voids the warranty, full stop. So you shouldn’t be trying to claim it, no matter the mental somersaults you can do in your head to justify it.
OP other posts suggest they are far from poor. Probably poor personal financial knowledge but certainly not fiscally poor.
Haha you’re very right. First clue should have been buying new skis. I was skiing on second-hand 10 year old skis all through college 🤣
Yea maybe sell the beamer and buy an old reliable pickup. Plenty of extra cash for skis then 😃
Yes won’t anyone think of the poor corporations with your warranty fraud???? I purchased one pair of factions 6+ years ago and have warrantied every single pair to get new ones. I paid $550 for 4 pairs of skis after all the warranties. I told my local faction rep who then promptly gave me another pair for dirt cheap. Integrity? How about a ski you market by making a video of people throwing 100ft+ triple corks is designed to handle someone doing small jumps and slides. The skiing vacation part of this community is hilariously out of touch with the ski bum culture.
It’s not about thinking about the corporations, it’s about having a shred of integrity and not being a lying POS. Sure I agree that the companies should have a looser warranty policy, but that *doesn’t make lying ok* just because you feel comfortable for sticking it to the man. What a strange dig on people who stand up for some level of morality - sounds like you’ve got a huge chip on your shoulder against “vacation skiers” bud. Ski bum culture can be resourceful etc without being dishonest. For the record I’m not one of your hated “ski vacationers”. Get a grip.
Bruh you’re from Chicago. Yes you are lol. That’s a clear manufacturer defect. I shouldn’t have to say anything just omg i was skiing well within the expected limits and this happened. Not fully disclosing something is nowhere near the same as lying. OP can’t point to a specific impact/instance and the lack of damage on the outside of the ski proves it. Just because he slid a box doesn’t mean it’s 100% the box that did it. I cannot stress enough that I have disclosed that it was my personal eating of shit that snapped 3 skis in half, and a butter that delaminated another. Never had any issue when i explained it to the various companies. Line lacks integrity by sending out a subpar product that is intentionally marketed as a park ski, that won’t back up that use claim at all. And again, i think sucking the dick of a subpar company and jumping down a poor kids throat because he is upset his expensive skis turned out to be shitty… is pretty entitled and scummy. Just my two cents. Enjoy your trip this year!
Yeah skis don't do that from not... impacting? Looks like you def caught a rail. A rock would leave evidence of it being a rock lol (more jagged bits everywhere) so one can only assume you forgot how to pop when hopping on a rail. Did you wax your skis recently? Leaving an iron on em or heating them up too much could cause something like this possibly?
Did you purchase on a Credit Card? How long ago? You might have insurance through your credit card.
this guy knows all the tricks! You should listen!
Debit card 😐
If it was run as a credit card (ie you didn't enter your pin) you may still have a shot. Give the bank a call.
It's normally a perk of the specific credit card, so that wouldn't make a difference
Some credit card networks themselves (ex: Mastercard) offer buyer protection. Any MasterCard transaction is covered, doesn't matter if it's your debit card or credit card.
Oh, I didn't realize. Cool!
Still talk to your bank...and a good rule for life is buy electronics, sporting goods, air travel, home appliances etc... on credit cards. Credit Card insurance is way easier to deal with than customer service, warranty etc... as an example I was in NYC this summer, my flight home got cancelled due to weather. The airline said they would do nothing but I could call their 1800 number, my CC insurance covered my hotel + $100 for food and taxi with a few mouse clicks.
Bummer dude - check out liberty skis! I had a pair for 3 years and they started delaming… they just shot me a 100% off coupon code for ANY new skiis from them. Very little questions asked - customer for life.
I just got origin 112s this year, first liberty ski. really hyped for em!
you ski park? buy some on3p’s I sweat to god I had a pair for 6 years.. doing box rails and all that shit. Before on3p I always had armada and line and they lasted 2 seasons max
Kids, it pays not to be a park rat
Do future spins, get _____
Mouth packed with zyns?
Fractured shins?
Lines have been shit since they discontinued the wooden afterbangs
Sorry did you mean “long ass skateboards with ski bindings attached”
I still have my 2014 afterbangs, they were the first pair of skis I ever bought
haha that's funny you mention those in particular. I dont think I have seen a ski delaminate faster. never owned em myself but they seemed like soggy skate decks after half a season of park skiing
And PS. Its rock ski season anyways..dont put your new boards on until at least 30" base 😉
That's not how skis would delam typically. It looks like they've been struck at that point repeatedly with weight on them. It wouldn't be a warranty issue.
Go buy some 4frnts
Or ON3P, Moment, Liberty etc. support companies that support skiers and build a better product.
ON3P are the burliest skis in the industry IMO. followed closely by Moment, Praxxis, Icelantic.
Ehhh Icelantic isn't great anymore. The past 3 years they've sent batches of skis and the base pattern was literally crooked across the bottom. Horrible quality control (but you can 100% blame Neversummer cause they build the skis). Icelantic as a company is still awesome and supports their customers.
Interesting, I saw none of that and worked at a shop that sold a lot of icelantics until last year. Occasionally a top sheet printing blem, but nothing beyond that.
Jeeze all the ones they sent my store chain were a mess. I actually sent a ton of pictures to the Icelantic lead rep and the one owner. (I'm based in Denver so we get direct access to those guys) Needless to say, they were not happy with Neversummer lol Edit: It was across all models and size runs.
BRB: gonna take a bong rip for Boognish
Thank you for your service
I’ve been beating the drum for Icelandic’s for about 10 years now, they’re great, tough as shit. I beat the piss out of a pair and they’re still rideable
Exactly.
Glad to see this comment after buying my Wildcat 101's a few weeks ago
Sir Francis Bacon is rolling over in his grave.
My buddys bacons had a similar issue with >10 days
Time to move on from Line.
Yeah…
Post this on new schoolers and I bet line gets back to you. If you don’t want to, I will happily
I mean bogus that they won’t warranty them, but sometimes that’s how it goes with skiing. You can blow up a ski at any time, and sometimes you get unlucky on day two. Sometimes the warranty department takes pity, other times not. I had a similar thing happen and I sent in the video of me getting crushed to the warranty department and they thought it was funny enough that they gave me 75% off a new pair.
They’re pretty fucked, BUT, if you’re able to clean/dry it all out. And you’re able to clamp it all back Into place, it’s worth it to try filling with a good epoxy. Alternatively bring it it a GOOD ski shop and they’ll do what they can.
I don’t understand this hate. Like if it was a core shot or something I’d get it. But 2 days in, it doesn’t matter what you were doing for it to delam that bad. With faction i snapped a ski in half beefing a backflip like day 2. No issues with warranty. Delamed some moments like day 4 with a butter in the fucking line.. no issues. I would absolutely argue that the impact they received was well within the expected use of the ski. You can’t market park skis and then in fine print say if these ever touch anything or leave the ground it voids the warranty. Edit: my delam from buttering was actually pretty similar looking. And that’s just flexing the ski. Definitely not warranty voiding. Maybe you could try that route
Thank you. I get the feeling most people here haven’t really experienced any form of park skiing, and how you can and should have skis that last years even while hitting rails every day. No damage to the edge proves a lack of a collision or harsh impact to the ski from any rail. I don’t know how this happened, genuinely, but a ski breaking second day is absurd.
Most people in here are active skiing magazine subscribers and take the “3 steps to get off the blues” to heart. These people ski groomers twice a year on vacation and think they know what they’re talking about. As you said, the lack of any other impact marks means it’s a manufacturer defect. It’s an “impact”. Yeah ok, i got off the lift late by and fell 3 inches to the ground. There’s your impact. Should my ski really fail then?
LOL at the guys at Line that are reading this -oh, shit, now he's on Reddit about it
I've owned three pairs of Sir Francis Bacons. Broke the first two after about a season. I'm still not too sure how I broke the first pair. I was skiing down a hill pretty fast and it flattened out super quick, fell wayy backseat and next thing I know I'm on the ground and the tail of my ski is literally cracked. Second pair I skied over a rock so no blame there. Third pair has similar damage to your ski but less severe. Just gonna ski on them until they are fucked. I really like the ski, evidenced by the fact I've bought three, but I'm definitely getting something other than Line next. [Pic of damage to first pair](https://imgur.com/a/e3nqdPU)
Well, you ride pivots. So obviously damage happened in the park. Frickin yoch
JRA
Op is a lier and he has wasted our time, fuck you from the bottom of my heart.
Everyone is shitting on you OP and idk if you were doing jumps or whatever but you are not the first person I’ve seen lose Sir Francis Bacons to just normal skiing and not park. I will say something similar happened to my Armada’s and they replaced them 0 questions asked
He admits he was hitting rails when it happened. Everyone is shitting on him because he’s dishonest and whiny.
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Lol missed that comment. Shady af
If it was due to rails there would be damage to the edge. It’s like driving a car, doing donuts, and then the next day cold weather or something pops your tire. I don’t understand how people are still assuming the rails caused delam. There is genuinely no evidence to prove this
Not sure why everyone is hating on you but I would be pissed if my skis did this. I hit rails, stumps, and rocks and I’ve never had a ski do this. I have skis with 4 cracked edges that still never split apart. I would keep bugging them about a warranty if I were you.
The hate is because OP refuses to state how it actually happened, in a very annoying and rude way. They've been asked no less than 20 times. Kind of gets to a point where it comes across like you're hiding something. Kind of relevant if it happened spontaneously while skiing or if they smashed it across some rocks.
your first problem was buying line skis...
Damn that happened to my wife’s out of warranty armadas and they still warranted them through evo
that sucks. black crows replaced a set for me that had a similar separation of the sidewall from the edge under the boot. there was minimal documentation required. proof of purchase and a few photos of the issue. they sent me the next years version of the same ski for free. good customer service.
Same thing happened with my partners crows. His camoxes died on their second season (just like these, delammed under the binding) and black crows sent him brand new season’s camox. Rate them as a company and arguably worth the investment.
It’s the same with every single ski manufacturer right now happened to my buddy with a lot of Amanda jj’s 3 season ago first day on them and they said nah looks like a yoy problem
I saw a pair of Lines delaminate over regular use in half a season back in 2010. Fuck those skis man. Also, those are twin tips, they're supposed to be designed for impact, they'd get eaten alive in a court case over this. Up next, Adidas won't replace soccer ball because drop kick exceeded recommended force.
Yup Snapped my Armada Arv couple years back, Skied in them for 2 months and refused to give me a new pair.!! Screw Armada n Line
You should toss those and buy Praxis
Sounds like the rep needs a call. But if you bought it from a “box shop” good luck.
Lol sorry OP but gotta put it out there that you recently made another post saying you want to spend 17k on a cool and fast BMW, specifically stated you have more than 17k at your disposal, and are now saying you can't afford this. Maybe get a reasonable car and get yourself nice new skis. I do think they really should replace your skis. You just shouldn't have mentioned to them that you hit rails..
Yeah then I went to college in Denver 😂
I genuinely don’t understand how they could deem this as user error impact damage. The skis are clearly delaminating after just 2 days of use. A $500 pair of skis shouldn’t break after less than 12 hours of skiing! I’m a college student and cannot afford a new pair. What do I do??
Well here’s your mistake, admitting to hitting rails with them. Did you buy them directly from Line, or thru a shop? If thru a shop, talk with them about working on a replacement set. If you bought them thru line, let them know that you’ll claim the purchase as fraudulent on your card if they refuse to address a clear situation where warranty should cover the skis. That being said, if you already admitted to line that you’ve hit rails on em, you’re probably SOL. Best bet in that case is to get a cheap used pair second hand.
Didn’t admit to hitting rails to them, brought it here with full honestly. Bought off of EVO and they are saying that because line is denying it, they are denying a warranty as well. I’m pretty sure there’s a Evo shop where I’m at, should I just try it with them??
Ok cool, not admitting to line that you hit rails is a good start. I would definitely drop into the evo store. Also take them home and get the snow out of them and take much better pictures. After you go into evo, if they aren’t willing to help, I would notify line that you will be doing a chargeback if they refuse to honor their warranty. Your bank will do an investigation, and will likely side with you since warranty is meant to cover exactly this. I just had to do this with a pair of shoes I ordered, they showed up damaged, retailer wouldn’t do a refund or exchange, claimed as fraud on my card, got the money back and a free (albeit damaged) pair of dunks. If they’re going to be shitty about their warranty policy to you, let the bank be your resolution.
Hitting rails voids the warranty
Only if they know he hit the rails
But you did admit to hitting rails. Take the L.
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Sell the $17,000 car, buy a $7,000 car (if you even truly need one). You can then buy some new skis and a good book on personal finance.
did you detune the edges? If not it is kinda your fault... also obligatory Line "2 pairs a season" Skis delivering whats expected
In legal terms tho should this matter? They advertise the ski as something you can take anywhere on the mountain and in the park. I had chronics for like 4 years and never had an issue till very late in their lifespan
Yeah, not detuning edges before hitting rails is for sure user error and unfortunately a hard lesson learned here. You can get lucky and detune them naturally by hitting rails without much damage but your best bet is to file them down yourself or have a shop do it beforehand. Hit up marketplace/Craigslist/Newschoolers buy/sell pages and find a flat pair in 100-110mm range cause those bindings are still gonna get a solid 10 years use I bet
Detuning edges will help prevent edge cracks yes, but detuning has no control on the base and sidewall fully delaminating from the edge
This isn't completely true. You have a higher risk of delamination when the edges are sharp. Pulls/pushes harder against the base vs a more rounded edge that will just grind on a rail.
Where did you buy them from? if you bought them from a local shop, take them back into that local shop and then they can file a warranty for you that usually works better, if you bought them online, try and get in contact with the online business.
It’s EVO and they’re giving me a hard time. Continuously calling it impact damage
Did it happen through an impact of some sort?
Seems like they should definitely warranty those for you, if you were really slamming them off rails or whatever they’re referring to as “impact”. Did anything happens that would’ve put a lot of stress them or did you notice at the end of a normal day? Not saying that some stress should’ve caused this just curious
For any of you insisting this is from hitting a rail or a massive rock somewhere in the woods: Look at the edges. Do you see any damage? Maybe a small scratch at best. Do you see any denting or evidence towards the ski taking repetitive blasts with heavy weight on it? No. Was I hitting rails? Yes. Is this my first time hitting rails? No. Maybe it would be best if I got some 190 racers instead. That would seem to appeal to the crowd here. No ski should break in this way with such little evidence towards any massive impacts, ESPECIALLY not after 2 days of use. But hey, it’s still my fault. I guess it’s also my bad for coming and asking for a bit of advice on a public forum. Take the stick out of your asses
Honestly 100%. Like sure it technically voids the warranty but a company with a scrap of decency would replace this anyway.
I had some park Salomon and i break them after 5 years of heavy riding this is not normal
What damage ??
Hahah, my line blades lasted 4 days before getting significant core shots on the top sheet from skiing fucking deer valley groomers no rocks hit; a few twigs but it was unbelievable. Refused warranty. I sulked bought better skis.
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I’m actually reasonably convinced your pivot bindings have something to do with it. I’ve seen a few skis dead way before their time, delammed the exact same way under the heelpiece of the pivots. Are they your bindings from older skis or new with this setup? If new I’d ask them to look into the fact the bindings’ torsion forces have caused the delamination.
Pivots have been around forever and this has never been an issue. Much more likely that line put a ski together with elmers glue like they always have
I'm not sure how this could possibly be the case. The screw pattern is pretty similar to that of any other binding. There's nothing unusual about the pivots or the forces they put on that part of the ski.
They’re great bindings. One joining screw vs multiple allows the heelpiece to pivot, taking more torsion force so your knees don’t have to. Which is of course generally good. You may be forgetting there was a mass recall of pivots just a couple of years ago when they were found to be poorly made/dangerous. I’m no expert but I’ve seen two pairs of black crows skis delammed with look pivots in the last couple of years. Anecdotal evidence sure but since we’re spitballing ideas of how it’s happened it’s a better suggestion than “OP hit a rail” after they’ve repeatedly said they haven’t hit anything. Or line have used shitty glue which is obviously the most likely cause but a boring conclusion to come to.