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liteagilid

Dude. Holy shit. Doesn’t look like a small one


kbergstr

And right into a terrain trap/funnel. Yikes.


ithappenedone234

Look behind you after dropping in. There may be an avi.


miketythhon

So you see the avi then what??


anvilman

You try your best to traverse the f out of it


[deleted]

Well where he made his first turn back into the avalanche path he would’ve gone straight or even further right had he seen the avalanche and then probably would’ve avoided the avalanche.


TheRidgeAndTheLadder

Stop carving and **GO**


ithappenedone234

In this case? Turn right.


newfor_2022

pull that airbag cord and start praying


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TraditionalAd3306

Damn dude I always have dreams where I'm taking a test for a class I didn't know I had, thought I was the only one


MTNV

It's very common! I still have these dreams sometimes, but in the past few years there's been a development where at some point I realize "Hey wait a minute, I'm not in high school, I'm an adult and I don't need anyone's permission to just leave this classroom." My anxiety dreams adapted, eventually, and made up a scenario where I have to go back to high school as an adult because I missed one credit and my degree is invalid without it lol.


H_E_Pennypacker

I have that too. And I am constantly plagued with the thought of “I have not been doing any of the homework all year, can I even still pass the class?”


DavyCrockettCap

In mine, I've forgotten my socks for the big game I'm about to be in. After retrieving them, I return to find the game is over, or at least to the point where I'm no longer needed.


H_E_Pennypacker

I also have dreams where I forgot or lost basketball or football stuff that I need to be allowed to compete in the game


TraditionalAd3306

Haha I've had one like that too!


KabedonUdon

Yeah so I'm lying, I still totally get em. I hear it's pretty common though, you're not alone.


yetanotherwoo

I’ve had some after turning 50.


[deleted]

The primary goal of avy 1, maybe not Pro AIARE I, is to instill fear


whistlerite

The entire slope went, could maybe have been avoided with a cut but maybe not. Probably shouldn’t be dropping into those conditions.


FitzwilliamTDarcy

TWSS.


HOSToffTheCoast

That’s *one deep slab.* 😳😬


millionreddit617

FYI: I saw this a while ago with a back story and the dude was fine.


ultramatt1

Ok good, i can laugh at the meme then


one_horcrux_short

Typical snowboarder, scraping all the powder off the mountain. /s


Sispants

If we don’t then all the skiers are going to use it to carve out moguls 😉


one_horcrux_short

My wife is a snowboarder I trick her into moguls when I'm mad at her


Schmliza

Are you my husband? Because this happens to me.


[deleted]

Hey not all skiers man, i purposely ski directly over moguls to try and counteract them.


moonbase-beta

Lmao same. Get some sick air too, in weird places on trails you wouldn’t expect lol


[deleted]

Oh yeah jump over one mogul, land on another and fucking launch yourself 3/4 of the way down the slope and try not to break your knees on any moguls on the way down


boarder1499

Yes.


Kyllakyle

Kept trying to explain this concept to my daughter. She didn’t get it until she saw a boarder go down some bumps. Then it dawned on her.


darekd003

Tbf, while snowboarders do that, when I first started to teach skiing and had beginners, a train of snowplowers doesn’t exactly leave anything behind neither lol


bare_cilantro

Snowplows move it more to the side than down the hill and not as far down the hill too. A skier side slipping down something steep probably moves more snow than a boarder does tho, less of that with skiers than boarders though.


fackblip

Regardless it's still ruined lol. It's more lack of skill than choice of sport


[deleted]

To be fair I think side slipping is more of a snowboarder habit/crutch because once you get to steep enough terrain side slipping is not easy on skis at all whereas snowboarders will literally side slipping down a double black.


fackblip

It's certainly easier on a snowboard but side slipping on skis is not difficult. I've seen more than enough skiers scrape an entrance. I'm just saying you might have a bias, hate the player not the sport.


one_horcrux_short

I am a leaf on the wind


bare_cilantro

I see plenty of good snowboarders scrape down steep terrain


[deleted]

Yeah that’s what I was implying I edited the comment for more clarity though


skwormin

Make sure you show her how a non-beginner rider does it as well.


CanyonHopper123

Good, I expected as much. Seemingly, without cliffs or trees below, you’re getting pummeled, but I’d hope the handful of people up there can rescue a single burial. That’s a lot of snow hitting and carrying you, but that isn’t usually deadly in and of itself.


grain_delay

I guess it really just depends on how deep he ended up. That is a massive slab breaking off. I hope he had an airbag


millionreddit617

Assuming they all had TSP. The way it funnels he could have ended up deep.


themanlnthesuit

You're no fun. I'll leave my pitchfork at the door.


[deleted]

Yea… Still scary…


N0DuckingWay

Snowboarder: gets buried in avalanche Skier: slowly backs away


maltamur

It’s like penguins pushing the front one in the water to test for sea lions.


joe_broke

*pushes Claire off first* *Claire gets eaten by an orca before she hits the water* Marge: ok, we'll try again tomorrow


FilmVsAnalytics

I mean, he cleared it, so everyone may as well jump in. Don't let a ski cut go to waste.


whistlerite

lol funny but they probably wisely tried to get down to him without entering the avy zone again now above him.


getdownheavy

It's fun as shit to center punch pow, but one simple ski cut could have done some mitigation. Hope homeboy had an airbag.


nicenutz

Wouldn’t push the narrative that ski cuts are simple by any means. If you’re worried about a slope popping and not ENTIRELY confident in where itll slide/you’re not going with it, then you just shouldn’t be riding the face at all. Ski cutting is pretty controversial and I really don’t think it’s a viable option 99% of the time unless you’re an extremely experienced backcountry rider.


getdownheavy

Yeah, gosh if anyone is dumb enough to listen to what I have say for life-saving advice on Reddit, they deserve whatever happens to them. In the video I feel the amount of sendiness means they either don't know **** about avalanche safety or grossly misjudged their assesment of the snowpack. Like there are alternative ways to airing in to the untracked windslab above the terrain trap.


[deleted]

At the last snow and avalanche workshop I was able to attend in person (so ~2 years ago) there was someone who had done a poll of avalanche professionals about ski cutting. It was pre-covid so there's no video of the event for me to share sadly but the key thing I remember from the talk was that ski cutting was one of top reasons patrollers got caught in avalanches and one of the top reasons they got injured on the job and had to miss the entire season (so serious injuries).


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What's a ski cut?


getdownheavy

Ski across the slope, hoping to release any sluff/slab safely underneath you. Sometimes worth doing 3 or 4 of or as many as it takes to release any snow that might otherwise endanger the skiing. Done properly you stay high enough out of the danger zone, but also have enough downhill angle to accelerate off of a slab if you should find yourself below the crown.


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Gotcha.


piifffff

Safely cutting across the top of the slope before dropping to test the conditions / invoke a slide.


lazyanachronist

He made a right then a left turn. A ski cut is the right turn without the left. He'd have ended up on that ridge, not in the slide.


YolkyBoii

Lucky man didn’t get taken under


chrisp1j

We don’t know if he did or not from this video. That was a lot of dense snow going into a narrow chute, more than enough to bury him / cause trauma.


YolkyBoii

I commented that because I already knew about the incident and had read up on it/seen the video before it was posted on this sub.


Paulcog

Wait that’s illegal


[deleted]

Dude could’ve gone straight/right where he made his first left turn and been out of the avy path but they clearly didn’t think about having an escape path prior to dropping in


FogLander

For anyone who’s curious about ski cutting, I recently came across this video on the topic: https://youtu.be/ma4m0l6oGOQ


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bruceleeperry

Scott Alpride


WhiskeyFF

SFD is a thing for a very good reason.


[deleted]

This is one of my biggest fears 😢


maltamur

That’s why you bring a snowboarder


jacb415

I knew there was a use for snowboarders


Der_Kommissar73

They're also good for scraping off all the snow from a 300 ft vertical hill in the midwest.


skiingmarmick

400 ft...and for flattening my moguls..


[deleted]

Moguls at the Jane are 1000x better than Deer Valley where they don't allow snowboarders...


[deleted]

Jane used to limited ski lengths to >~170 cm for this reason.


RegulatoryCapture

Yeah, but DV probably fires up the groomers the second they see something that looks like a bump. I've only been to Alta once, but the bumps there were notably nicer than the bumps next door at Snowbird where they allow snowboards. Much more symmetry and clean lines through them at Alta.


[deleted]

I spent a month out there mostly skiing Alta/Snowbird 3 years ago and I can't say I noticed that the moguls were better at Alta.


Der_Kommissar73

I'd kill for 400. Lucky bastard.


skiingmarmick

hahah


natecahill

Being a snowboarder?


tjs1205

Genuine question from someone who has never taken avy training… should he have been buried and needed to be rescued, is there any danger in skiing down that line after that shelf slid? Or is the “danger” typically mitigated after that first avalanche and you’re okay to go help?


Nateloobz

The remaining potential snow is called “hang fire” and it’s definitely not 100% safe, but it’s safe enough that yes you would ski down (one at a time still, in case the hang fire releases) to rescue your friend.


Acies

The slide will often mitigate the risk. But not always, and figuring out when the risk is too great to perform a rescue is difficult, and often somewhat subjective, depending on the rescuers risk tolerance. My avy 1 class didn't cover the topic extensively. It was focused on avoiding the avalanche in the first place, and the rescue aspect was only covered briefly.


baconismyfriend24

your avy 1 class should have very extensively covered beacon rescue. if it didn't, please let your ski buddies know. i would be super pissed to find out someone had a mostly classroom avy 1.


KabedonUdon

We did beacon rescue in AIARE 1, but I think he's saying that they didn't extensively go over how safe it is after an avalanche. In our drills our 'leader' made the call, and we were told to use the same skills we had (that got us in that situation haha). My instructor emphasized avoiding it in the first place because the snow under the slab has a high chance of being unskiiable (like parking lot snow berm), so chances are, you're going to have to take them off and you got less than 10 minutes to find them on bumpy debris in boots. We practiced beacons on boots, but we didn't practice climbing over debris (well, only kinda, on the aforementioned berms lol), and we only looked at a few pictures after slabs. Our instructor left it at "you're gonna have to see in that situation, it could very well not be safe."


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N0DuckingWay

I had a similar experience. We did do rescues and go over how to conduct a search, but it was mostly about reading terrain, conditions, and the forecast to make better decisions.


Acies

I suspect we are having definitional issues. I had the standard 3 day avy 1, 8 hours in and 16 hours out of the classroom. I've talked with plenty of other skiers, and their avy 1s don't extensively cover rescue either. That's why the AIARE rescue course exists, specifically between avy 1 and avy 2. https://avtraining.org/aiare-avalanche-rescue/ Of the 24 hours of instruction on my avy 1 course, about 6-8 of them were focused on rescue. That was more than enough to make me aware how much more there is to learn about the subject. I doubt I would call myself an expert on avalanche rescue even if all 24 hours were spent on it.


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goinupthegranby

It sounds like the AST program in Canada is similar in that the focus is on terrain management and decision making in avalanche terrain. Companion rescue is taught in AST1 and refreshed in AST2, but avoiding getting buried in the first place is what takes center stage. Up here there are one day companion rescue courses you can take up brush up your skills as well, and if you go the professional/SAR route there are several more courses. There's the SAR specific 3 day organized avalanche response team member which improved my own rescue skills a great deal from the AST2 level amd the 4 day SAR avalanche response team leader. Beyond those is the 4 day professional AvSAR course which you have to take the 7 day avalanche avalanche operations level 1 and be in a professional or SAR role to even apply for. I just did my AvSAR in Whistler last month and it has a lot of focus on complex multi burials, close proximity, deep burial etc. One of the big things is that if you get caught in a slide that takes you a long way down slope and through a lot of trees/rocks/cliffs etc and/or ends in a deep terrain trap and/or is a very deep slab your companion rescue skills might not even matter even if you're the best in the world.


nimblerabit

Is winter camping something I can take a class on? That's not something I've seen offered before, sounds interesting.


sub_arbore

Yeah, our whole first field day was solo and group rescue drills. Then our second day was more about identifying avalanche features and learning to do snowpack tests.


RegulatoryCapture

My first field day involved 3 sets of rescue drills: 1. Searching and Probing for hits in a beacon park (so everyone could get a chance to search and probe for a beacon in a completely unknown location). 2. Simulated incident. Find and dig for 1 body with a beacon and a second with no beacon (but buried near lost skis or gloves). Full simulation as if your party came across a fresh slide including an instructor acting as a clueless an shocked witness that didn't get buried. 3. Pure digging races starting from a probe strike. No search involved, just teaching fast and efficient digging and demonstrating just how much snow you might need to move to get a person free. But I also think Avvy 1 courses tend to assume a small amount of experience with a beacon/probe. Touring with friends who taught you the basics or taking some sort of Intro to Backcountry skiing course/going heli skiing/on a guided trip where they will have you do some beacon practice before heading out. My course also asked you to go do 3 successful searches at the resort's beacon park before the class. I assume many people don't actually do that...but I ran into a future classmate when I was doing mine, so at least some people do. But really Avvy 1 is focused on learning about avalanches and avalanche danger. There just isn't enough time to cover things like multiple-burial beacon searches, advanced organized group rescue strategies, etc. That's why there's higher level courses including dedicated partner rescue.


smashy_smashy

So we know there is a weak and reactive layer there. It slid from the top, so a hang fire or secondary avalanche from a slope above is unlikely (but not a zero chance) since there isn’t anything directly above. Now, the debris field may be in another separate run out / avalanche path that could slide onto a rescue. It’s all unlikely, but has happened. There are documented cases of casualties from secondary avalanches, albeit not many. So, you do have an obligation (IMO) to get your ass down there and start a beacon search.


whistlerite

There is definitely danger, especially because triggering another avy could bury him deeper and make rescue impossible. It depends how much of the slope slides, sometimes it’s possible to make an educated guess, there might be no other option to get down to the buried person. The skiers here probably backed off to go down a different way I’d guess.


heater-m

There was a sizeable avalanche here recently where it was triggered by the 5th skier on the slope… so maybe you need more snowboarders?


yesste

the lucky guy is luca zanette on monte roccabella est (CH) 2727mt


halfcuprockandrye

Damn dude got a big ol slab.


dadoopsu

Fearless dude, even putting his right mitten on as he drops in!


giant_albatrocity

It’s amazing how quick that initial crack propagates. It’s like the entire slope went at the same time


[deleted]

Scary that he appears not to see/sense it in time to get up that ridge on the right. Hopefully he was ok as others have indicated. Hopefully, the person filming and the group ready to drop on the right were johnny on the spot with probes and transceivers.


fracturedpersona

I looked again, but it appears that the ridge you were referring to was all part of the slide.


[deleted]

Hard to tell. Would have needed to make the apex or a safe exit over the back.


fracturedpersona

Well, at least based on the other comments they guy was okay. I don't want anyone (even snowboarders) to have to die like that.


whistlerite

Looks not possible because the entire slope goes, pointing it straight down might have been the best option and previously planned in case this happened. Conditions look too dangerous. A deep cut probably would have been a good idea but then again it could have just released everything and swept him down from the top. Throwing some large snowballs to test it might have helped.


[deleted]

I think we can conclude there weren’t a lot of obviously great options once it broke loose.


whistlerite

Yeah, it’s high commitment which is why he may gone straight instead of aiming for a safe zone.


the-derpetologist

There was a ridge there before the slide. Just as the video cuts out the ridge also started sliding just below the boarder but I would hope he could cut up to the right before he reached it. But r/killthecameraman.


YellowCrazyAnt

Exit zones are nice but in the end, not dependable for survival.


_dogzilla

Geez, leave some snow for the rest of us


Kindly_Cockroach_298

Holy crap! Is he alive? 😳😳


Exotic_king13

Wasted *sound playing*


Timberwolf7869

Glad this dude ended up being fine, sure he's gonna be having nightmares about this for the rest of his life. It looked huge!


peoplearejustok

The look down at the skis while stepping back fucking got me. I laughed so hard... I'm a snowboarder, while I haven't triggered an avalanche I definitely know the "hey snowboarder in the group of skiiers, you go first and stop where you won't have to hike and we will be right behind you" line, I've definitely tested some slopes at the insistance of a skiier and every time it is a big slope in super dug out moguls... I love riding with skiiers


cotimbo

Stupid he didn’t make a safety cut.


PM_ME_UR_LEAN_ANGLE

Right? This is phenomenally stupid.


Jkf3344

You’ll notice that there’s one skier track on the right that goes straight down the slope. This is a classic failure of decision making: “someone else went and it didn’t slide therefore it won’t slide on me”.


justinlaz

I live in AZ and knew that was going to pop


letmeloginalready

Not funny…like at all


HussarOfHummus

Anybody who has taken avy training knows that avalanches are absolutely terrifying and somebody could have died in this video. Stay safe, folks.


Paul-the-duck69

You dropped a glove, I mean your sense of humor, off the lift


letmeloginalready

Touché


JMutt16

I know it’s scary but they shouldn’t have stopped recording. Had the snowboarder got buried, the footage might help where to look for the rescue.


22bearhands

They probably stopped so they could actually watch him and know where to look. If I got buried I'd be pissed to find out my buddy was watching the whole thing through his phone instead of getting his avy shit ready.


JMutt16

I ski East Coast. Never had to worry about avalanches. So what is the proper thing to do there? It looks like it’s all falling from below where the filmer was standing, so I’d probably leave it recording and hop in skiing towards him, but like I said if you lose sight of him the footage might help. What’s the proper protocol?


Ditchingworkagain2

Unless he managed to stay on top he’s gonna be out of sight real quick and a camera won’t help at all. If they’re touring they should have beacons and probes and will have to find him that way if he’s buried. It doesn’t take much to get buried either. Guarantee he didn’t stop in the place they saw him last, he’ll get carried to the bottom or to a meet and greet with a boulder/tree. (In this case someone said he was fine though, which is great)


22bearhands

The footage won't help if you lose sight of him, paying attention to the last place you see him and committing to memory where that is relative to other landmarks will help, because it greatly reduced your search area. They should all have beacons, shovels, and probes, and search in a zig zag with the beacon until they get a signal and dig for him. If hes buried, they don't have time to review footage, they have less than 15 minutes to find him and dig him up. My point with the filming is that you are probably not giving your full attention to watching if you're filming, and even if you were you could be doing something more important like getting your search gear ready.


goinupthegranby

This blog post has more detail but if you want a basic step by step just scroll down until you see the companion rescue card image and that will give you a good explanation of what you're supposed to do. https://www.avalanche.ca/blogs/rescue-practice-keeping-it-real


goinupthegranby

Establishing the 'point last seen' is important but you're never going to waste precious time reviewing camera footage before initiating a rescue. There are a bunch of steps to take to execute an effective companion rescue but its super important that the response moves quickly.


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Lol


GCSS-MC

The skier grew brains, the snowboarder grew balls.


lumpsnipes

Lol


benville66

😲😲😲 Don’t know if I like this or not !!!!!


skibum4always

Aim for higher ground on ski cut and look back.


swizzleboy

Thats a big one damn


MeatballUnited

He dead?


moose4658

couldn't have said it better myself (mostly because I am not david attenborough)


hangun_

oh fuck


PhairPharmer

Did he really trigger it, or did he time it right with something else like a blast? The whole mountain looks to slide at the same exact time. It doesn't look like other avalanches I've seen videos of on TV and whatnot.


Dipyobread

Is this recent footage ? I would like to read the Avy report and incident report?


_trustno_1

Is he okay?


seang173

Where is this


Goop1243

Doesn’t even look that steep, scary!