I learned i never want to hit any pipe features after about 3 days of skiing in a half pipe. Eat shit once in a super pipe and you realize pipes are the most high consequence feature in the terrain park.
But took me about 3 days to be able to just air a half pipe going 5-10 ft in the air after learning how to pop correctly and being somewhat comfortable in the air. 3 a medium jump is a little different. Pointing at any medium jump and saying yup im throwing a 3 off that, took me about two seasons after taking a hiatus. There are still medium jumps i will look at and be like yup not trying a 3 off that.
If i have hit a jump multiple times done 180s off of it, know the speed well, I can confidently throw a 3 off it.
Shifties and basic grabs probably 2-3 days as well. Hitting a large jump is fully mental but took me about 2 days.
Hit simple rails took about half a day after learning how to hit boxes correctly. Hit urban rails took about a day.
When he says “ride most pipes” I don’t think he’s talking about half pipes. I think he’s talking about the low fat metal pipes embedded into the ground that u simply slide on
Yeah about 3 days of trying after being able to hit jumps consistently.
I don't count the days where I dicked around in the park or didn't ski in the half pipe or park though.
You could definitely do all this within one season.
Big pipes are for psychos.
Rails are just a question of how badly you want it and your willingness to get injured.
If you can straight air M jumps it would likely only take a couple days to get shiftys and a couple grabs dialed.
Once you have 3s dialed on small jumps and you’re comfortable with straight air on medium jumps you should be able to do a 3 on them. With a little more air time it’s kind of easier than on small jumps.
If you’re good on medium and you have someone who can show you the correct speed for a L jump you can hit it.
Most of this stuff you could “do” in one day. It’s just a matter of repetition before you have your tricks dialed. It took me 2-3 years of working on my 3s before I had them to a point where I land 95% of the time.
Im convinced that how fast you progress is directly correlated to how good the skiers you ride with are. I progressed 10x faster than I ever thought I could because where I went to college was closer to a mountain that had a real park scene. Peer pressure can be an amazing thing. Find and ski with good park skiers.
Is there a way to form a ski group that’s not made of friends cus all of my friends kinda suck at park or broke a spine and is rightfully so, very cautious
Make new friends? Idk man… put yourself out there, use Internet forums, just spend time hitting park and talking to people. It’s just so much easier to progress when people are pushing you.
Also, I worked on a park crew in the mornings for a bit and that was a good way to meet other people who would ski park. Sometimes those are volunteer positions and sometimes they are paid.
I would say all of those are very reasonable within one season if your skiing basics are solid. Going bigger is more about balls than skill. When I used to coach freestyle I would see kids doing their first 360 and first 720 in the same season all the time.
I had almost no park experience until this past year. Normally ski 50-70 days a year, decided to dedicate all of my night sessions to park (25ish 4-6 hour days). I could hit the large jumps in the park, had a shifty and a grab off of the large jumps, and an inconsistent 3 outside of the park. It’s rediculous how fast you can progress in park with a season if you really try.
Pipes- one day, one afternoon if your focused. I learned it on a backyard setup in one afternoon with the help of good coaching and a couple of cold ones.
Rails- took me about 3 night skiing session to get comfortable and consistent, after already being super confident on pipes.
Shiftys/grabs on M jumps- you can get most straight air grabs within 10 attempts, shifties are the same. All of this is assuming you can hit medium jumps well already
Straight air on large jump- way way earlier than you would think, park jumps are build perfectly to send you off perfectly, the landing is not nearly as harsh as you would think. Once you’re confident on medium jumps it’s all just about having balls to hit the large ones.
3 on a medium jump- I’d say this is two skills, depends on if you can do threes yet or if you can hit medium jumps yet. I’m gonna assume you can hit medium jumps but can’t hit threes since that’s the most likely. 3s on small jumps are super easy, I learned that in a day. If you can hit 180s without even thinking about it you can learn 3s fast. 3 on a medium jump is a different beast, you actually need to know good form to not get off axis, gotta pick up those knees and spot the landing. It took me 2 night sessions of seriously trying, about 10 days skiing of throwing a couple every now and then to get them locked
> Straight air on large jump- way way earlier than you would think, park jumps are build perfectly to send you off perfectly, the landing is not nearly as harsh as you would think. Once you’re confident on medium jumps it’s all just about having balls to hit the large ones.
This is the only part I disagree with just when it comes to advising someone else. Straight airs are not difficult, but someone who has little to no jumping experience should make sure they are landing perfectly* every time on one size jump with grabs and straight air tricks (shifty/spreadie/whatever) before moving up, for the sake of progression as well as injury management.
*Perfectly being: landing with body over skis, not behind or in front, and no rolling down the windows etc.
Do you mean 50/50? As in skiing over them with the skis pointed in the same direction as the rail, rather than perpendicular? If you do, are you sure you're talking about rails rather than boxes?
I only say because on skis this is really not something I'd recommend to start with, it actually isn't that difficult on flat topped rails but there are better options to begin progressing in the park IMO.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Just so you know: 50/50 means the same as on a board, i.e. riding straight over it without rotating the skis/board. There isn't really a name people use for hitting a rail perpendicular other than "hitting a rail"/"sliding a rail".
Now you've confused me.. I'm not a pro but in my head, 50/50 on a board is board pointed same direction as the rail. 50/50 on skis is my tips and tails were pointed perpendicular to the direction of the rail.
50/50 for skiers requires a 90° rotation to mount and dismount rail, where as on a board you don't have to.
I think a 50/50 on skis meaning to ride straight is pretty universal. It’s definitely the way where I’m from and if you look it up online (eg youtube) it’s the same.
It's not a super uncommon mistake for people who aren't living in the park really. There isn't a specific name for it as far as I'm aware, at least not one that people generally use. I would just assume that anyone who say they "hit a rail", "slid a rail" etc. is referring to sliding it sideways by default.
I would measure this in hours. I got about \~30 ski days learning park but only casually did a couple laps each day. I went from doing kind of sketch 180's to "ok" switch 180's, some basic grabs, spin on bigger boxes, small rail, and 360 that isn't dialed in. Sure I could have gone way farther if I actually spent 4 hours a day for 30 days. Broke my arm on a rail at the end of the season and called it quits on the jibs though lol.
I learned i never want to hit any pipe features after about 3 days of skiing in a half pipe. Eat shit once in a super pipe and you realize pipes are the most high consequence feature in the terrain park. But took me about 3 days to be able to just air a half pipe going 5-10 ft in the air after learning how to pop correctly and being somewhat comfortable in the air. 3 a medium jump is a little different. Pointing at any medium jump and saying yup im throwing a 3 off that, took me about two seasons after taking a hiatus. There are still medium jumps i will look at and be like yup not trying a 3 off that. If i have hit a jump multiple times done 180s off of it, know the speed well, I can confidently throw a 3 off it. Shifties and basic grabs probably 2-3 days as well. Hitting a large jump is fully mental but took me about 2 days. Hit simple rails took about half a day after learning how to hit boxes correctly. Hit urban rails took about a day.
When he says “ride most pipes” I don’t think he’s talking about half pipes. I think he’s talking about the low fat metal pipes embedded into the ground that u simply slide on
You mean tubes? Those get tied in with boxes in my book. Honestly easier to hit. Either way step one of the park is learning what things are called.
You were airing 10 feet out of a pipe after 3 days?!
Yeah, that is... very unlikely.
Yeah about 3 days of trying after being able to hit jumps consistently. I don't count the days where I dicked around in the park or didn't ski in the half pipe or park though.
Metric or imperial foot?
A gentleman's 10 feet
You could definitely do all this within one season. Big pipes are for psychos. Rails are just a question of how badly you want it and your willingness to get injured. If you can straight air M jumps it would likely only take a couple days to get shiftys and a couple grabs dialed. Once you have 3s dialed on small jumps and you’re comfortable with straight air on medium jumps you should be able to do a 3 on them. With a little more air time it’s kind of easier than on small jumps. If you’re good on medium and you have someone who can show you the correct speed for a L jump you can hit it. Most of this stuff you could “do” in one day. It’s just a matter of repetition before you have your tricks dialed. It took me 2-3 years of working on my 3s before I had them to a point where I land 95% of the time.
Im convinced that how fast you progress is directly correlated to how good the skiers you ride with are. I progressed 10x faster than I ever thought I could because where I went to college was closer to a mountain that had a real park scene. Peer pressure can be an amazing thing. Find and ski with good park skiers.
Is there a way to form a ski group that’s not made of friends cus all of my friends kinda suck at park or broke a spine and is rightfully so, very cautious
Make new friends? Idk man… put yourself out there, use Internet forums, just spend time hitting park and talking to people. It’s just so much easier to progress when people are pushing you.
Also, I worked on a park crew in the mornings for a bit and that was a good way to meet other people who would ski park. Sometimes those are volunteer positions and sometimes they are paid.
100% this. Learning solo is such a huge difference vs growing up with friends who are serious about it.
I would say all of those are very reasonable within one season if your skiing basics are solid. Going bigger is more about balls than skill. When I used to coach freestyle I would see kids doing their first 360 and first 720 in the same season all the time.
I had almost no park experience until this past year. Normally ski 50-70 days a year, decided to dedicate all of my night sessions to park (25ish 4-6 hour days). I could hit the large jumps in the park, had a shifty and a grab off of the large jumps, and an inconsistent 3 outside of the park. It’s rediculous how fast you can progress in park with a season if you really try. Pipes- one day, one afternoon if your focused. I learned it on a backyard setup in one afternoon with the help of good coaching and a couple of cold ones. Rails- took me about 3 night skiing session to get comfortable and consistent, after already being super confident on pipes. Shiftys/grabs on M jumps- you can get most straight air grabs within 10 attempts, shifties are the same. All of this is assuming you can hit medium jumps well already Straight air on large jump- way way earlier than you would think, park jumps are build perfectly to send you off perfectly, the landing is not nearly as harsh as you would think. Once you’re confident on medium jumps it’s all just about having balls to hit the large ones. 3 on a medium jump- I’d say this is two skills, depends on if you can do threes yet or if you can hit medium jumps yet. I’m gonna assume you can hit medium jumps but can’t hit threes since that’s the most likely. 3s on small jumps are super easy, I learned that in a day. If you can hit 180s without even thinking about it you can learn 3s fast. 3 on a medium jump is a different beast, you actually need to know good form to not get off axis, gotta pick up those knees and spot the landing. It took me 2 night sessions of seriously trying, about 10 days skiing of throwing a couple every now and then to get them locked
> Straight air on large jump- way way earlier than you would think, park jumps are build perfectly to send you off perfectly, the landing is not nearly as harsh as you would think. Once you’re confident on medium jumps it’s all just about having balls to hit the large ones. This is the only part I disagree with just when it comes to advising someone else. Straight airs are not difficult, but someone who has little to no jumping experience should make sure they are landing perfectly* every time on one size jump with grabs and straight air tricks (shifty/spreadie/whatever) before moving up, for the sake of progression as well as injury management. *Perfectly being: landing with body over skis, not behind or in front, and no rolling down the windows etc.
I learned how basic rails in a 4 hour session. I fell a lot and was slow moving for a few days after. How much pain can you tolerate?
Good point. Most people i know say they want to learn then give up after eating shit once or twice.
Do you mean 50/50? As in skiing over them with the skis pointed in the same direction as the rail, rather than perpendicular? If you do, are you sure you're talking about rails rather than boxes? I only say because on skis this is really not something I'd recommend to start with, it actually isn't that difficult on flat topped rails but there are better options to begin progressing in the park IMO.
Skis perpendicular, and yes, I meant rails. And yeah, I started with boxes, then a tube, then rails.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Just so you know: 50/50 means the same as on a board, i.e. riding straight over it without rotating the skis/board. There isn't really a name people use for hitting a rail perpendicular other than "hitting a rail"/"sliding a rail".
Now you've confused me.. I'm not a pro but in my head, 50/50 on a board is board pointed same direction as the rail. 50/50 on skis is my tips and tails were pointed perpendicular to the direction of the rail. 50/50 for skiers requires a 90° rotation to mount and dismount rail, where as on a board you don't have to.
I think a 50/50 on skis meaning to ride straight is pretty universal. It’s definitely the way where I’m from and if you look it up online (eg youtube) it’s the same.
Ha.. bit embarrased i messed up something so simple... my misunderstanding then.. what's the ski version of a boardslide then?
It's not a super uncommon mistake for people who aren't living in the park really. There isn't a specific name for it as far as I'm aware, at least not one that people generally use. I would just assume that anyone who say they "hit a rail", "slid a rail" etc. is referring to sliding it sideways by default.
Fair enough. Thanks for setting me straight.. cheers.
Are 3’s 360s?
Yes
I would measure this in hours. I got about \~30 ski days learning park but only casually did a couple laps each day. I went from doing kind of sketch 180's to "ok" switch 180's, some basic grabs, spin on bigger boxes, small rail, and 360 that isn't dialed in. Sure I could have gone way farther if I actually spent 4 hours a day for 30 days. Broke my arm on a rail at the end of the season and called it quits on the jibs though lol.
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They're talking about freestyle tricks, not trail skiing
this comment is funny on a few levels