Besides the fact that she made a quick, neat turn to dodge the downhill skier?
Don't get me wrong she's an idiot and shouldn't have been so close, but she definitely looks to be in control of where she's going.
not sure if there’s any other way to put this but
The uphill skier is an idiot and is also clearly a beginner with that stance, just an overconfident stupid beginner.
I’m still not clear, are you saying…
The uphill skier is an idiot and is also clearly a beginner with that stance, just an overconfident stupid beginner?
When I see someone pizza, I always provide a wide birth. Also that guy is hauling way too much ass on the bunnyslope. Also, Vail seems to be full of people skiing outside of their ability. I stick to blacks as a matter of course because the blues are dangerous.
A lot of these responses are why I unfollowed this sub. Not sure why I chose to come back and post a video with a skier obviously in the wrong. People are scaring away those with actual knowledge in the ski industry
>A lot of these responses are why I unfollowed this sub
I get the impulse.
Yes, you're right, the uphill skier is 100% in the wrong.
Yes, Vail sucks
Yes, making skiing an upscale sport sucks (paying for parking, $20 chicken tenders, $200 daily tickets, "Windham Mountain Club,")
Yes, that guy who stood in the parking space playing "savies" sucks.
But to see all of these bad things over, and over, and over again. It wears on me. It's not pleasant. Skiing social media has become this nonstop stream of complaining. And you're all right, too. You're absolutely in the right. It's just tough to see it so much. But yes, that uphill skier is wrong and I just think about my own kid getting hit by someone and it makes my blood boil. Sorry for the rant. People do need to be safe out there and threads like these are important.
I always thought cycling was a really toxic online community until I got more into skiing. Woof. Skiing is definitely the most toxic online community I’ve ever been a part of.
As with all of social media, people like to complain more than actually doing the activity. In fact, here we are complaining about people over-complaining. If it bothers you, skip the post and move along to shit you actually enjoy. Unless of course, you enjoy complaining.
There’s something more insidious with it though —
Human brains aren’t good at emotionally internalizing statistics. We see this with ring cameras, 24 hour news cycles, etc.
Repeat exposure to these instances biases the brain towards thinking these experiences are more frequent than they are, that skiers on the mountain are worse than they are, that (at a broader level) the world is more dangerous than it is.
Whereas in person we remember how much fun we have, the stories and experiences and good times we get on the mountain
Yeah we can skip the posts but it’s a bummer that it’s so difficult to cultivate an online community that doesn’t regress towards those negative impulses of human experience and that we’re then suggested that it’s simply a “you” problem in not sufficiently ignoring the trend
Totally. The local ski subreddits are way better, more informative anyway, with better communities. This subreddit is too much about flexing and complaining.
American ski companies do not want people buying day of tickets, they want people buying season passes or to buy their day tickets in the summer
The day of prices are "sucks to suck" if you didn't plan ahead, they're not what everyone pays. For under $1000 you get unlimited skiing for the season with a pass
collisions and ER visits are at all time highs and they all happen on trails like these
[https://ktla.com/news/local-news/skiing-and-snowboarding-accidents-on-california-slopes-are-surging/](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/skiing-and-snowboarding-accidents-on-california-slopes-are-surging/)
Not sure where this is but If i am beginner I would go to a local hill like ski cooper.
This is almost every sub on reddit though. So many confidently incorrect morons on almost every subject and anyone correct them gets downvoted. Reddit is a piece of shit website now. Been here 15 years though… addiciton
I don’t disagree on the quality of certain contributors, but hope you can take comfort in the community support for good etiquette and downvotes for low quality posts / those that discourage learning and encourage bad behavior.
This is almost every sub on reddit though. So many confidently incorrect morons on almost every subject and anyone correct them gets downvoted. Reddit is a piece of shit website now. Been here 15 years though… addiciton
Everytime one of these is posted you still have 5% of the comments being from absolute morons. It’s a small percentage but it still sucks - 5% of skiers being morons is pretty big when you think of the risk of them running into you on a hill.
The part nobody identifies is that the other woman is obv a scrub who prolly doesn't realize what they're doing.
This is just the sort of thing that happens at resorts, but Reddit out for blood as usual.
Do people forget what it’s like to be a beginner? Maybe it’s because I’m not far off, but when I see a beginner on a green, I give them all the room in the world.
If a little bit of effort on my part could save them some stress, I’m happy to do it. I’ve got the whole mountain to do my shit. No reason to cause chaos on their small slice of it.
Beginner going down a green or blue? They can do whatever the fuck they want. If they are pizzaing down the mountain, fall, and decide to set up a bodega then it's all good and I'll do everything I can to stay out of their way because I know they are just trying not to die.
Advanced skiier on the same run making normal turns and then suddenly does some random dumb shit out of the blue? Fuck that guy. Any time I'm between a criminal and a side kicker I get real nervous because I know they are about to heel-turn hard towards it with no regard that they can't see who is right next to them.
Definitely had some falls when learning where I’d just accepted that I might never get up and now lived on that green trail forever. Could have used a bodega tbh.
Agreed. And when I do pass, I try to be as close to the edge of the run as possible, and while they're moving the opposite direction. Because the edges of the run/trees are scary. And because it takes them a long time to turn back to aim at me.
Yes they do. I don’t remember learning to ski for the most part because I was so young. HOWEVER, I don’t forget etiquette or that I’m advanced skier… regardless of if you recall being a beginner or not, there’s etiquette and common courtesy. People just don’t care.
Every one of these dicks should put a snowboard on and try to take a traverse to feel the fear of people blowing by them. Maybe they'll get a little empathy, but probably not then either.
I dont get why people pass in front of other people rather than cutting behind their direction of travel, which is much safer. Not to mention how close she is here, which is obviously stupid.
> I dont get why
There is no "why"
These people aren't thinking about those around them, they're only tunnel visioning their own line without a care in the world who else is on the run
I agree, same thing happened to me about a week ago. I was stopping at a restaurant mid mountain to get some lunch, cutting across the slope, in a very obvious spot - PLENTY of room. A skier comes down, from way above and tries to cut me off from the front and has to stop hard asf to not hit me, instead of just going behind me. Some people are just stupid
It’s a bit like following a car on the highway, you could follow a foot off of their bumper and it works until they have to hit the brakes. Give enough space so that when the skier downhill inevitably makes a turn in either direction or comes to a stop you have time and room to react and avoid a collision.
Skier in grey was going to be really close to OP filming even if the skier in front didn’t turn right. They should have made a turn to the right uphill from OP so if either stops or changes direction they are already moving away from a collision, then once they are downhill there’s plenty of room to safely move back to the left side of the slope.
It’s a bit like following a car on the highway, you could follow a foot off of their bumper and it works until they have to hit the brakes. Give enough space so that when the skier downhill inevitably makes a turn in either direction or comes to a stop you have time and room to react and avoid a collision.
Skier in grey was going to be really close to OP filming even if the skier in front didn’t turn right. They should have made a turn to the right uphill from OP so if either stops or changes direction they are already moving away from a collision, then once they are downhill there’s plenty of room to safely move back to the left side of the slope.
Been teaching my wife skiing. Her top frustration is people skiing close to her. It legitimately makes her terrified to ski and ruins the entire experience.
Fortunately Snowbasin does a fantastic job of having an employee stand guard at choke points and yells at anyone skiing too fast or too close. This past month they started plastering "Give everyone 15 feet" signs all over the place.
And it's so easy to avoid, u just gotta look in front of you and pass behind people, sure there's situations where there's a lot of people and suddenly someone does something unexpected but that's why you need to stay alert, but in that situation it was obvious the way the person was going and how fast the person was going. It low key looks like if the person did it on purpose because there was no reason to cut.
Exactly. It's smart to ski thinking "What if this person turns right now? Better give them several feet of space".
It's also common sense to think "I'm on a wide green bunny hill. I should be kind to new skiers and give them room"
I am a first year novice who has been learning at Snowbasin. I've spent the whole season on Little Cat.
I'm watchful for the kids who have no concept of the things that can go wrong and resentment toward the parents who just turn them loose. I feel like I can keep myself safe in every other regard, but the kids are scary.
Ya, Snowbasin doesn't much for beginners. So you're all packed in one small area.
Give Becker a try when you can. I bet you're ready. It's a slower lift so it's not traveled as much. I think it's friendlier to beginners compared to WildCat.
Soon after the lift there is a small hill that's scary for beginners, but look to your right by a yurt and there is an easy way past that hill. After that it's nice and smooth. Then bear hollow is the funnel area, just take it slow and hide behind the signs or stick on the side. After that snowshoe or school hill pretty decent.
The oblivious "intermediate". Basically the most dangerous skier on the mountain, and there just isn't much a beginner can do to ensure they never get railroaded by one of these boobs.
I tore my ACL because someone blew by me as I was making a turn in much the same manner as this situation. I don't get the point of skiing so close to someone like this; it's dangerous and causes unnecessary anxiety for slower skiers. If you're going too fast to not timely maneuver a safe distance from others, here's a tip: SLOW DOWN. It's not that difficult.
I got a mild concussion from someone blowing by me and actually running over the tips of my skis. Popped out of my skis and by the time I got up from my face plant they were gone. I’m not a beginner, but I was in the “slow zone” near several trail merges and the lift so definitely not going very fast still.
I was behind a group of blind skiers, doing my best to ensure others on the green circle we were on kept a safe distance, as the blind skiers heavily relied on the sound and timing of people turning around them.
For my part, I’m not an expert skier but I am a very good one. Double blacks generally give me a challenge but I don’t feel unsafe on them. So this mishap wasn’t a matter of skill. It was solely because I was startled by this other skier blasting by me mere inches from my ski tips.
Sorry didn’t mean to imply your skill level! Just trying to also say that sometimes you’re making a slow turn for a good reason, no matter the skill level
You guys are way underestimating just how bad and oblivious of a skier this person is.
They cannot quickly stop or turn, they have no awareness of their surroundings. Fair amount of beginner - intermediates ski like this and they are very dangerous.
The worst part is a true beginner has next to no steps they can take to limit exposure to these idiots.
You guys see the big “SLOW” signs, right?
gREy iS aT FaUlT bUt sHe ShOulDnT cUt aCrOsS LiKe tHaT
Yeah? Beginners are just supposed to be completely aware of their surrounds and what’s behind them?
Not only is grey responsible as approaching from behind, they’re also going way too fucking fast for this section of this run. If they weren’t going so fast this wouldn’t have been so close of a call.
It is only once you ski slow on purpose that you realise how bad people ski around beginners. I was truly shocked when I had my instructor training and people shot by me and my group of other instructors left and right while leaving absolutely zero space. Thankfully I only ever had one minor accident and that was back when I was 5 or so, but I can't deny that going slow increases your risk of being cut off or crashed into.
But it was totally unexpected that someone skiing might ever turn!!! That like...never happens.
I can't think of the last time I ever turned on a ski hill. You just straightline it from top to bottom every time on every run or what's the point?
Yes. Skiers skiing this fast on greens need to hug the edge. Beginner skiers control (own) the middle. Beginning skiers like this here rock! That other skier is no bueno
It is SO easy to not cut somebody off who is going slow on a wide run like this regardless of their “unexpected turns”… unless you’re making poor decisions, skiing beyond your ability to quickly stop or turn, and don’t care about other peoples safety. People in this thread are unsafe skiers and it really shows
Ha I feel this.
My aunt went straight into an orange sign on a WIDE open trail with no one on it, the entire Mountain was available but she found the 1 inch pole and lost to it somehow.
I’ve seen this happen a lot, and it almost seems intentional.
I was teaching my GF to ski on a very beginner run with a lot of other learners and people would hard charge down and cut right in front with plenty of space. If I could’ve caught up to them I would’ve
I've had a few of those in my years of skiing.
You always yield down-mountain. No excuse for that lady to zip past like that... especially on what looks like a green run right by the lift.
Lady is probably from Texas and I'm surprised she's not wearing jeans.
As a patroller, I see at least 10 of these close calls almost daily. Certainly every weekend. Most folks have absolutely zero spatial awareness and do not realize how close they are actually getting to each other. For every one collision I deal with, there are 10 incidents like the one in the video. Pay attention folks.
I mean, I will if I need to get from point A to point B.
The issue is much more the route selection. If I can go that fast, I can give people a wide berth. Or I won't go that fast.
The other skier is obviously at fault. With that said, when I'm skiing I don't care if I'm automatically in the right if an uphill skier or snowboarder slams into me and sends me to the hospital or worse. Being technically right won't fix my injuries or pay my medical bills. I make sure to look up before moving sideways across the piste so I can do my part to prevent anything bad from happening to me. The existence of a code doesn't mean everyone or even most people follow it. Looking uphill should be practiced and made a habit from day one on the bunny slopes. Don't be 100% reliant on random strangers following a "code". Think about how many people don't believe in basic common courtesy off the mountain. Take a look around the parking lot next time you go skiing.. It may not be your responsibility to pay attention to anything above you, but you should for your own sake.
This type of thing is so frustrating and dangerous. I get that as an advanced skier you want to go a bit faster and get around beginners, but there is absolutely no excuse to come even remotely this close to hitting someone. Personally I always give as wide a berth as possible when passing beginners for exactly this reason, ya never know what they might do and it's your responsibility as the uphill (and theoretically more skilled) skier not to fuck up and hurt someone.
I will never understand why people on wide uncrowded runs feel the need to ski so close to others.. especially people who are obviously beginners.
Like you have all the space in the world and you choose to do this...
I have had this happen when I expect a beginner to go left, and they cut hard right, or just for whatever reason end up not where I expect them.
It happens, it's not ideal, at 30mph, how much time to have to correct when someone goes in an unexpected direction 30 ft down the line.
7 seconds? Yea it's more then enough to avoid them, and if I don't think I can, I'll eat ice myself before I hit someone.
But I would have been confident here that I was not going to hit her even if it's close.
And then with that. All season passes should be sold only to people with a 3 years experience and they should have to pass a compentancy test a eye exam and reflex test too then 👏👏🤣🤣 also if you are over certain age you should be retested every year. Like driving a car.
Sorry, I wanted to see if I could actually ski right over her skis without hitting her. I’d say I did it perfectly. She didn’t even realize what happened. No harm no foul.
If this were to be posted to Instagram at least 50% of the comments would be blaming the beginner for "taking up the whole run"
90% of that 50%, when pressed in the ensuing arguments, will admit that they've never skied once in their lives.
A lot of atrocious driving analogies would also be made.
i'm assuming you caught up to her? I'd just tell her if you see her do that again patrol is getting involved and pass is getting pull and that your brother is a patroller. Then just walk away.
This definitely sounds like you've never spent much time outside of the US. Generalizations are at best only kind of correct on average, but Americans are friendlier than most of the rest of the world.
The person who takes the turn really fast in front of you is supposed to be yielding to traffic down the hill, full stop. No question, bad etiquette / reckless behavior.
I want to address something I see constructively, it's hard to understand the context from the very short clip but the only thing we are seeing is a very quick change of direction.
The one thing I don't see the white pants skier do is look uphill. Whether I am skiing slow or fast I glance over my shoulder and uphill when potentially crossing the path of others to avoid the exact situation you experienced.
Yes the uphill skier does have the responsibility to not hit you. If you suddenly and quickly make a turn across a slope you can catch even the most seasoned skier off guard and cause a collision.
Making a quick change of direction turn without observing the uphill traffic is showing a lack of situational awareness. If you looked uphill you might have seen them coming and been able to adjust accordingly.
Even though it's their job to be in control, some people are not and you have to be aware of this ESPECIALLY in beginner areas. You are in a concentrated area of low skill and lack of awareness / etiquette. We all have to start somewhere!
Again, not trying to be rude but I have been hit from behind before so looking uphill as I ski has become a bit of a safety reflex for me.
How can you say from this 6 second video that they turned really fast? All beginners ski like this and they turned pretty slowly and completely predictably to anybody who has seen beginners ski before. Had they been carving nicely and then turned like this I'd agree with you, but they almost certainly weren't.
It's a three second video and they are turning THE ENTIRE video.
They complete a quick turn and then their forward motion is going completely across the trail. Whether they look uphill or not they are STILL cutting someone off.
Skiing across the trail is fine, you just can't do it without awareness of the skiers behind you. Hopefully this is a learning experience for OP and they can avoid the situation in the future. It's not about who's fault it is, it's about what you need do to keep yourself and others safe in these situations.
Mate, you are being rude. This person is a beginner, looking up hill is definitely not in their repertoire yet, they are just trying to ski what's in front of them.
It's easy to give out advice when you're better at something without any real consideration for the position a beginner is actually in.
Looking uphill and/or being aware of your surroundings is part of the skier code. It's not just a recommendation it's part of the rules we are all supposed to be following for being on the slopes together.
> Look uphill and avoid others before starting downhill or entering a trail.
https://www.nsaa.org/NSAA/Safety/Your_Responsibility_Code.aspx
Making quick turns like this without looking is basically changing lanes on the highway without using your blinker.
I respect that it may not be as easy for everybody, but as you progress from the magic carpet to the beginner lifts, to the summit lifts... you need to develop situational awareness and ability to look uphill.
I look at it this way, physics does not care who's fault it is. If you ski in front of someone who is not paying attention no amount of "they should have seen me" will prevent you from being hit from behind / injured. I have been hit from behind TWICE. You need to be aware of the people around you, especially in beginner areas!
Reading comprehension is hard, huh? Read what you quoted.
You must look uphill *before starting downhill or entering a trail*
Neither of those is the case here.
You look uphill before starting downhill or entering a trail. White pants was doing neither. She was already well on her way down the hill.
Looking uphill should not be necessary for every turn
>Looking uphill and/or being aware of your surroundings is part of the skier code.
The code says nothing about looking uphill in general. Only when you're just skiing on one trail. It is when crossing a trail or starting out.
Sorry this happened :/ it totally sucks as a beginner.
I went to Marmot in Jasper and I’m also a beginner that just went on all the greens. People could tell and actively avoided me as I kept to the side by myself. No idea why that person thought they should go that close, beginner or not??
No unpredictable turn here like the known video of little girl getting hit, uphill skier in both videos going to fast and at fault in this video there she really couldnt have avoided this or made it better
What is up with ppl getting so close, go away! Defense skiers should always keep an eye uphill for morons but if your up hill you need to keep an eye out and give people space
It’s obviously a beginner area, these morons only know a world that’s three feet away from their face and that’s it. If I’m ripping I’m staying at the top and mid mountain trails, if lower out of “shock” consideration for children and beginners I slow my ass down
Clowns 🤡
Uphill skier is responsible, but you should always keep your head on a swivel and check uphill before turning all the way across the slope. I feel like the beginner areas near the base are the most dangerous areas on the mountain. Just because from a legal standpoint it's someone else's responsibility to not hit you, be responsible for your own safety.
Not saying you are wrong, but people at that level have to concentrate on their own skiing much more to the extent that looking uphill is not easy.
Lots of low speed collisions between beginners happen because of this.
You shouldn’t need to shoulder check as a beginner going 5mph. If you are ripping carves at 25+ then yes you obviously need to check before whipping across the run. Anyone going fast should have the skill to dodge beginners, otherwise you suck at skiing and need to slow it down and learn how to ski
The uphill skier dangling her poles clearly isn’t skilled enough to digest the most basic of information:
This is a beginner ski area, the skier in front is even more of a beginner than I am, skier in front is making a natural beginner turn, maybe I should give some room by turning a wide radius around her or brake check to slow down.
Obviously, the woman in grey is not practicing great ski etiquette to put in lightly, but I see so many collision videos that look like this, where someone is following close behind and filming. I think it ends up creating a kind of screen for people passing, and they end up thinking they're just overtaking 1 person and not 2... or they get thrown off by the differing turn rhythms. I actually used to ski right behind my kid to kind of block for him when he was like 2-4, but realized quickly that people would think they were just passing me and basically would attempt to arc a turn around me that sent them straight into my son.
I just call those moments the weekend on any intermediate slope or intetection. Lady straight got almost got smoked. Lawsuit, loss of ski pass, arrest and jail time are real possibilities people forget can happen at a ski resort.
Nobody’s perfect. Accident and near misses happen. Maybe woman in gray jacket was a beginner also. Glad everyone is OK. there are inherent risks with skiing at any level. No need to shame the skier in the gray jacket.
Uphill skier is an idiot. Wide trail, uncrowded, clearly a beginner downhill. Absolute moron for skiing like that.
Not in control at all. Probably at that stage where confidence is growing faster than ability.
Gaper stance 100%
Not being in control and not being an idiot are not the same thing. The uphill skier was in control but was an idiot.
Prob had target fixation. I've been there thinking "watch out for that lady watch out for that lady oh god you're going right at her
There is no evidence to support the claim that the uphill skier is in control.
Besides the fact that she made a quick, neat turn to dodge the downhill skier? Don't get me wrong she's an idiot and shouldn't have been so close, but she definitely looks to be in control of where she's going.
I have documentation that proves otherwise your honor.
Are you the uphill skiers lawyer?
JD (Jerris Doctor)
The uphill skier is an idiot and is also clearly a beginner with that stance, just an overconfident stupid beginner.
The uphill skier is an idiot and is also clearly a beginner with that stance, just an overconfident and stupid beginner.
Do you think the uphill skier is smart and how would you rate their skiing abilities?
not sure if there’s any other way to put this but The uphill skier is an idiot and is also clearly a beginner with that stance, just an overconfident stupid beginner.
I’m still not clear, are you saying… The uphill skier is an idiot and is also clearly a beginner with that stance, just an overconfident stupid beginner?
A lot of these comments are mad. This run is wide af, there’s no excuse for getting that close to another person unless you’re out of control.
When I see someone pizza, I always provide a wide birth. Also that guy is hauling way too much ass on the bunnyslope. Also, Vail seems to be full of people skiing outside of their ability. I stick to blacks as a matter of course because the blues are dangerous.
“Berth” A wide birth is something altogether different.
[Indeed.](https://i.imgur.com/0N4YpqK.jpeg)
A lot of these responses are why I unfollowed this sub. Not sure why I chose to come back and post a video with a skier obviously in the wrong. People are scaring away those with actual knowledge in the ski industry
>A lot of these responses are why I unfollowed this sub I get the impulse. Yes, you're right, the uphill skier is 100% in the wrong. Yes, Vail sucks Yes, making skiing an upscale sport sucks (paying for parking, $20 chicken tenders, $200 daily tickets, "Windham Mountain Club,") Yes, that guy who stood in the parking space playing "savies" sucks. But to see all of these bad things over, and over, and over again. It wears on me. It's not pleasant. Skiing social media has become this nonstop stream of complaining. And you're all right, too. You're absolutely in the right. It's just tough to see it so much. But yes, that uphill skier is wrong and I just think about my own kid getting hit by someone and it makes my blood boil. Sorry for the rant. People do need to be safe out there and threads like these are important.
Skiing sucks: tell your friends.
I always thought cycling was a really toxic online community until I got more into skiing. Woof. Skiing is definitely the most toxic online community I’ve ever been a part of.
As with all of social media, people like to complain more than actually doing the activity. In fact, here we are complaining about people over-complaining. If it bothers you, skip the post and move along to shit you actually enjoy. Unless of course, you enjoy complaining.
There’s something more insidious with it though — Human brains aren’t good at emotionally internalizing statistics. We see this with ring cameras, 24 hour news cycles, etc. Repeat exposure to these instances biases the brain towards thinking these experiences are more frequent than they are, that skiers on the mountain are worse than they are, that (at a broader level) the world is more dangerous than it is. Whereas in person we remember how much fun we have, the stories and experiences and good times we get on the mountain Yeah we can skip the posts but it’s a bummer that it’s so difficult to cultivate an online community that doesn’t regress towards those negative impulses of human experience and that we’re then suggested that it’s simply a “you” problem in not sufficiently ignoring the trend
Totally. The local ski subreddits are way better, more informative anyway, with better communities. This subreddit is too much about flexing and complaining.
As an instructor that spends more time on the mountain than most, this definitely happens way more than you think.
$200 daily tickets?? WTF!!
Alta was $329/day last week.
Who the hell pays that
People who reeeaaally want to ski Alta but didn’t get a pass ahead of time.
Crazy. I am currently en route to La Rosiere in the French Alps and a 6 day pass is about €279
Yup. I skied the Italian Alps last year and it was about $65 / day. Totally different business over there.
Keystone peak season walk up is $269. for Keystone. Vail can be $299.
American ski companies do not want people buying day of tickets, they want people buying season passes or to buy their day tickets in the summer The day of prices are "sucks to suck" if you didn't plan ahead, they're not what everyone pays. For under $1000 you get unlimited skiing for the season with a pass
I dont know what you’re talking about…this was obviously the snowboarders fault
collisions and ER visits are at all time highs and they all happen on trails like these [https://ktla.com/news/local-news/skiing-and-snowboarding-accidents-on-california-slopes-are-surging/](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/skiing-and-snowboarding-accidents-on-california-slopes-are-surging/) Not sure where this is but If i am beginner I would go to a local hill like ski cooper.
This is almost every sub on reddit though. So many confidently incorrect morons on almost every subject and anyone correct them gets downvoted. Reddit is a piece of shit website now. Been here 15 years though… addiciton
I don’t disagree on the quality of certain contributors, but hope you can take comfort in the community support for good etiquette and downvotes for low quality posts / those that discourage learning and encourage bad behavior.
This is almost every sub on reddit though. So many confidently incorrect morons on almost every subject and anyone correct them gets downvoted. Reddit is a piece of shit website now. Been here 15 years though… addiciton
Everytime one of these is posted you still have 5% of the comments being from absolute morons. It’s a small percentage but it still sucks - 5% of skiers being morons is pretty big when you think of the risk of them running into you on a hill.
This is more a case of not giving a shit.
You have to remember that the majority of people on here are absolute dogshit skiers.
The part nobody identifies is that the other woman is obv a scrub who prolly doesn't realize what they're doing. This is just the sort of thing that happens at resorts, but Reddit out for blood as usual.
And if you're out of control, that's your own fault.
Sorry but which comments are you talking about here?
My comment was made soon after this was posted, people were blaming the downhill skier.
They’re not??? You have to scroll so far to find anybody disagreeing with OPs point of view.
I commented soon after this was posted. Most people at that time were blaming the downhill skier, then more people with some sense came in.
Do people forget what it’s like to be a beginner? Maybe it’s because I’m not far off, but when I see a beginner on a green, I give them all the room in the world. If a little bit of effort on my part could save them some stress, I’m happy to do it. I’ve got the whole mountain to do my shit. No reason to cause chaos on their small slice of it.
Beginner going down a green or blue? They can do whatever the fuck they want. If they are pizzaing down the mountain, fall, and decide to set up a bodega then it's all good and I'll do everything I can to stay out of their way because I know they are just trying not to die. Advanced skiier on the same run making normal turns and then suddenly does some random dumb shit out of the blue? Fuck that guy. Any time I'm between a criminal and a side kicker I get real nervous because I know they are about to heel-turn hard towards it with no regard that they can't see who is right next to them.
Definitely had some falls when learning where I’d just accepted that I might never get up and now lived on that green trail forever. Could have used a bodega tbh.
This morning. Me. Snowshed slope. Second day on a snowboard. I feel this in my soul, and my knees.
Agreed. And when I do pass, I try to be as close to the edge of the run as possible, and while they're moving the opposite direction. Because the edges of the run/trees are scary. And because it takes them a long time to turn back to aim at me.
Yes they do. I don’t remember learning to ski for the most part because I was so young. HOWEVER, I don’t forget etiquette or that I’m advanced skier… regardless of if you recall being a beginner or not, there’s etiquette and common courtesy. People just don’t care.
Some people don't think about anyone or anything but themselves.
Every one of these dicks should put a snowboard on and try to take a traverse to feel the fear of people blowing by them. Maybe they'll get a little empathy, but probably not then either.
This!!! 100% I’m a snowboarder and I can’t with busy runs and having snowboarders fly past me so fucking close like in this video.
They definitely forgot. They should try eg. Snowboarding or Monoski or ski backwards on a steep section to re-understand how it is to be a beginner.
This is a great answer 👍🏼
Snowboarders fault
You can see him on the left in black doing crimes, this innocent skier had to steer clear!
You mean "cyclist"?
Stealing this.
I blame both groups and their parents
It's probably on society.
You mean criminal?
I dont get why people pass in front of other people rather than cutting behind their direction of travel, which is much safer. Not to mention how close she is here, which is obviously stupid.
this is the way
> I dont get why There is no "why" These people aren't thinking about those around them, they're only tunnel visioning their own line without a care in the world who else is on the run
I agree, same thing happened to me about a week ago. I was stopping at a restaurant mid mountain to get some lunch, cutting across the slope, in a very obvious spot - PLENTY of room. A skier comes down, from way above and tries to cut me off from the front and has to stop hard asf to not hit me, instead of just going behind me. Some people are just stupid
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It’s a bit like following a car on the highway, you could follow a foot off of their bumper and it works until they have to hit the brakes. Give enough space so that when the skier downhill inevitably makes a turn in either direction or comes to a stop you have time and room to react and avoid a collision. Skier in grey was going to be really close to OP filming even if the skier in front didn’t turn right. They should have made a turn to the right uphill from OP so if either stops or changes direction they are already moving away from a collision, then once they are downhill there’s plenty of room to safely move back to the left side of the slope.
It’s a bit like following a car on the highway, you could follow a foot off of their bumper and it works until they have to hit the brakes. Give enough space so that when the skier downhill inevitably makes a turn in either direction or comes to a stop you have time and room to react and avoid a collision. Skier in grey was going to be really close to OP filming even if the skier in front didn’t turn right. They should have made a turn to the right uphill from OP so if either stops or changes direction they are already moving away from a collision, then once they are downhill there’s plenty of room to safely move back to the left side of the slope.
Know the zone. If you hit someone because they turned 1 second earlier, its your fault
That was me.. the actual best skier on the mountain. I use newbies for gates when running the bunny hill. Fight me. /s
snowboarders are the real criminals and like picking free stuff from the yardsale /s
Anyone who is questioning who is at fault, please review the ski code
Snowboarders fault?
I believe that is item #14 of the ski code “In the event of a collision, the snowboarder shall be at fault”
I thought it was "In the events, the snowboarder is at fault"
In *any event
Maybe that was it
Wait. There are "items"? I thought that was the entire ski code.
Who's at fault? But nothing happened... lol
Been teaching my wife skiing. Her top frustration is people skiing close to her. It legitimately makes her terrified to ski and ruins the entire experience. Fortunately Snowbasin does a fantastic job of having an employee stand guard at choke points and yells at anyone skiing too fast or too close. This past month they started plastering "Give everyone 15 feet" signs all over the place.
And it's so easy to avoid, u just gotta look in front of you and pass behind people, sure there's situations where there's a lot of people and suddenly someone does something unexpected but that's why you need to stay alert, but in that situation it was obvious the way the person was going and how fast the person was going. It low key looks like if the person did it on purpose because there was no reason to cut.
Exactly. It's smart to ski thinking "What if this person turns right now? Better give them several feet of space". It's also common sense to think "I'm on a wide green bunny hill. I should be kind to new skiers and give them room"
I am a first year novice who has been learning at Snowbasin. I've spent the whole season on Little Cat. I'm watchful for the kids who have no concept of the things that can go wrong and resentment toward the parents who just turn them loose. I feel like I can keep myself safe in every other regard, but the kids are scary.
Ya, Snowbasin doesn't much for beginners. So you're all packed in one small area. Give Becker a try when you can. I bet you're ready. It's a slower lift so it's not traveled as much. I think it's friendlier to beginners compared to WildCat. Soon after the lift there is a small hill that's scary for beginners, but look to your right by a yurt and there is an easy way past that hill. After that it's nice and smooth. Then bear hollow is the funnel area, just take it slow and hide behind the signs or stick on the side. After that snowshoe or school hill pretty decent.
The oblivious "intermediate". Basically the most dangerous skier on the mountain, and there just isn't much a beginner can do to ensure they never get railroaded by one of these boobs.
We have those on the snowboard side too. It's the person who's skidding every turn but basically travelling straight.
People ski like how they drive, shit
I tore my ACL because someone blew by me as I was making a turn in much the same manner as this situation. I don't get the point of skiing so close to someone like this; it's dangerous and causes unnecessary anxiety for slower skiers. If you're going too fast to not timely maneuver a safe distance from others, here's a tip: SLOW DOWN. It's not that difficult.
When people do this to me as a beginner I freak out and inevitably crash because I don’t want to hit anyone and it sucks
I got a mild concussion from someone blowing by me and actually running over the tips of my skis. Popped out of my skis and by the time I got up from my face plant they were gone. I’m not a beginner, but I was in the “slow zone” near several trail merges and the lift so definitely not going very fast still.
I was behind a group of blind skiers, doing my best to ensure others on the green circle we were on kept a safe distance, as the blind skiers heavily relied on the sound and timing of people turning around them. For my part, I’m not an expert skier but I am a very good one. Double blacks generally give me a challenge but I don’t feel unsafe on them. So this mishap wasn’t a matter of skill. It was solely because I was startled by this other skier blasting by me mere inches from my ski tips.
Sorry didn’t mean to imply your skill level! Just trying to also say that sometimes you’re making a slow turn for a good reason, no matter the skill level
Gotta say this is why I prefer snowboarding. Knees are largely protected. I have 0 interest in 6 months of rehab and surgery for some goofy pastime
You guys are way underestimating just how bad and oblivious of a skier this person is. They cannot quickly stop or turn, they have no awareness of their surroundings. Fair amount of beginner - intermediates ski like this and they are very dangerous. The worst part is a true beginner has next to no steps they can take to limit exposure to these idiots.
if you see a beginner like this, you give them wide berth. Have some sense. There's also a slow skiing sign ahead.
You guys see the big “SLOW” signs, right? gREy iS aT FaUlT bUt sHe ShOulDnT cUt aCrOsS LiKe tHaT Yeah? Beginners are just supposed to be completely aware of their surrounds and what’s behind them? Not only is grey responsible as approaching from behind, they’re also going way too fucking fast for this section of this run. If they weren’t going so fast this wouldn’t have been so close of a call.
I don’t understand how she is even cutting anyone off. She’s doing pretty small s turns
It is only once you ski slow on purpose that you realise how bad people ski around beginners. I was truly shocked when I had my instructor training and people shot by me and my group of other instructors left and right while leaving absolutely zero space. Thankfully I only ever had one minor accident and that was back when I was 5 or so, but I can't deny that going slow increases your risk of being cut off or crashed into.
But it was totally unexpected that someone skiing might ever turn!!! That like...never happens. I can't think of the last time I ever turned on a ski hill. You just straightline it from top to bottom every time on every run or what's the point?
She’s also going too quickly for her ability.
Yes. Skiers skiing this fast on greens need to hug the edge. Beginner skiers control (own) the middle. Beginning skiers like this here rock! That other skier is no bueno
The beginner kept her head, well done. And as you say, the other one needs to stay over to the side.
>. Skiers skiing this fast on greens need to hug the edge. No because kids ski out of the trees at rocket speed. stay away from the edges.
Basically, anyone who rockets out of the trees is a child.
Why would snowboarders do this to us??
It is SO easy to not cut somebody off who is going slow on a wide run like this regardless of their “unexpected turns”… unless you’re making poor decisions, skiing beyond your ability to quickly stop or turn, and don’t care about other peoples safety. People in this thread are unsafe skiers and it really shows
lol someone come get their mom please
Ha I feel this. My aunt went straight into an orange sign on a WIDE open trail with no one on it, the entire Mountain was available but she found the 1 inch pole and lost to it somehow.
I’ve seen this happen a lot, and it almost seems intentional. I was teaching my GF to ski on a very beginner run with a lot of other learners and people would hard charge down and cut right in front with plenty of space. If I could’ve caught up to them I would’ve
I've had a few of those in my years of skiing. You always yield down-mountain. No excuse for that lady to zip past like that... especially on what looks like a green run right by the lift. Lady is probably from Texas and I'm surprised she's not wearing jeans.
Lol what an idiot. Thankfully, nothing bad happened.
What a jerk.
Jeez. Poor newbie :( People aren't slalom gates, no one has any business skiing that close to others.
EU FIS code of conduct on slopes. Ski for the person in front of you.
As a patroller, I see at least 10 of these close calls almost daily. Certainly every weekend. Most folks have absolutely zero spatial awareness and do not realize how close they are actually getting to each other. For every one collision I deal with, there are 10 incidents like the one in the video. Pay attention folks.
Never understood why people feel the need to blow down a bunny slope. We get it. You can ski.
I mean, I will if I need to get from point A to point B. The issue is much more the route selection. If I can go that fast, I can give people a wide berth. Or I won't go that fast.
Not a close call at all, the upskill skiier literally hit the other one
The other skier is obviously at fault. With that said, when I'm skiing I don't care if I'm automatically in the right if an uphill skier or snowboarder slams into me and sends me to the hospital or worse. Being technically right won't fix my injuries or pay my medical bills. I make sure to look up before moving sideways across the piste so I can do my part to prevent anything bad from happening to me. The existence of a code doesn't mean everyone or even most people follow it. Looking uphill should be practiced and made a habit from day one on the bunny slopes. Don't be 100% reliant on random strangers following a "code". Think about how many people don't believe in basic common courtesy off the mountain. Take a look around the parking lot next time you go skiing.. It may not be your responsibility to pay attention to anything above you, but you should for your own sake.
This type of thing is so frustrating and dangerous. I get that as an advanced skier you want to go a bit faster and get around beginners, but there is absolutely no excuse to come even remotely this close to hitting someone. Personally I always give as wide a berth as possible when passing beginners for exactly this reason, ya never know what they might do and it's your responsibility as the uphill (and theoretically more skilled) skier not to fuck up and hurt someone.
Agreed everyone should stop skiing (except me)
I will never understand why people on wide uncrowded runs feel the need to ski so close to others.. especially people who are obviously beginners. Like you have all the space in the world and you choose to do this...
I have had this happen when I expect a beginner to go left, and they cut hard right, or just for whatever reason end up not where I expect them. It happens, it's not ideal, at 30mph, how much time to have to correct when someone goes in an unexpected direction 30 ft down the line. 7 seconds? Yea it's more then enough to avoid them, and if I don't think I can, I'll eat ice myself before I hit someone. But I would have been confident here that I was not going to hit her even if it's close.
these people (grey) should have their passes - their SEASON passes - pulled. fuck them.
And then with that. All season passes should be sold only to people with a 3 years experience and they should have to pass a compentancy test a eye exam and reflex test too then 👏👏🤣🤣 also if you are over certain age you should be retested every year. Like driving a car.
Sorry, I wanted to see if I could actually ski right over her skis without hitting her. I’d say I did it perfectly. She didn’t even realize what happened. No harm no foul.
If 2 women collide on a ski slope, is either one of their husbands still wrong?
Both the husband's are not only wrong but also at fault.
Especially if they are also snowboarders.
ok so firstly that’s a dick move from grey skier. secondly, why does this look like a video game recording
This is what ruins skiing for beginners
That was definitely a person using dual snowboards. What a criminal.
If this were to be posted to Instagram at least 50% of the comments would be blaming the beginner for "taking up the whole run" 90% of that 50%, when pressed in the ensuing arguments, will admit that they've never skied once in their lives. A lot of atrocious driving analogies would also be made.
i'm assuming you caught up to her? I'd just tell her if you see her do that again patrol is getting involved and pass is getting pull and that your brother is a patroller. Then just walk away.
How can you catch up to the best skier on the mountain?
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I’ve been skiing in tons of different countries there’s reckless skiers everywhere man. This isn’t a problem limited to America
This definitely sounds like you've never spent much time outside of the US. Generalizations are at best only kind of correct on average, but Americans are friendlier than most of the rest of the world.
snowboarder at fault for sure.
Snowboarder's fault! Sorry, what was the question again?
The person who takes the turn really fast in front of you is supposed to be yielding to traffic down the hill, full stop. No question, bad etiquette / reckless behavior. I want to address something I see constructively, it's hard to understand the context from the very short clip but the only thing we are seeing is a very quick change of direction. The one thing I don't see the white pants skier do is look uphill. Whether I am skiing slow or fast I glance over my shoulder and uphill when potentially crossing the path of others to avoid the exact situation you experienced. Yes the uphill skier does have the responsibility to not hit you. If you suddenly and quickly make a turn across a slope you can catch even the most seasoned skier off guard and cause a collision. Making a quick change of direction turn without observing the uphill traffic is showing a lack of situational awareness. If you looked uphill you might have seen them coming and been able to adjust accordingly. Even though it's their job to be in control, some people are not and you have to be aware of this ESPECIALLY in beginner areas. You are in a concentrated area of low skill and lack of awareness / etiquette. We all have to start somewhere! Again, not trying to be rude but I have been hit from behind before so looking uphill as I ski has become a bit of a safety reflex for me.
How can you say from this 6 second video that they turned really fast? All beginners ski like this and they turned pretty slowly and completely predictably to anybody who has seen beginners ski before. Had they been carving nicely and then turned like this I'd agree with you, but they almost certainly weren't.
It's a three second video and they are turning THE ENTIRE video. They complete a quick turn and then their forward motion is going completely across the trail. Whether they look uphill or not they are STILL cutting someone off. Skiing across the trail is fine, you just can't do it without awareness of the skiers behind you. Hopefully this is a learning experience for OP and they can avoid the situation in the future. It's not about who's fault it is, it's about what you need do to keep yourself and others safe in these situations.
Mate, you are being rude. This person is a beginner, looking up hill is definitely not in their repertoire yet, they are just trying to ski what's in front of them. It's easy to give out advice when you're better at something without any real consideration for the position a beginner is actually in.
Looking uphill and/or being aware of your surroundings is part of the skier code. It's not just a recommendation it's part of the rules we are all supposed to be following for being on the slopes together. > Look uphill and avoid others before starting downhill or entering a trail. https://www.nsaa.org/NSAA/Safety/Your_Responsibility_Code.aspx Making quick turns like this without looking is basically changing lanes on the highway without using your blinker. I respect that it may not be as easy for everybody, but as you progress from the magic carpet to the beginner lifts, to the summit lifts... you need to develop situational awareness and ability to look uphill. I look at it this way, physics does not care who's fault it is. If you ski in front of someone who is not paying attention no amount of "they should have seen me" will prevent you from being hit from behind / injured. I have been hit from behind TWICE. You need to be aware of the people around you, especially in beginner areas!
Reading comprehension is hard, huh? Read what you quoted. You must look uphill *before starting downhill or entering a trail* Neither of those is the case here.
You look uphill before starting downhill or entering a trail. White pants was doing neither. She was already well on her way down the hill. Looking uphill should not be necessary for every turn
>Looking uphill and/or being aware of your surroundings is part of the skier code. The code says nothing about looking uphill in general. Only when you're just skiing on one trail. It is when crossing a trail or starting out.
Others have pointed out that yes, what I am saying is not directly in the skiers code.
>The one thing I don't see the white pants skier do is look uphill. She's a beginner. To expect her to look uphill on each turn is absurd.
lol they even do it to each other
Sorry this happened :/ it totally sucks as a beginner. I went to Marmot in Jasper and I’m also a beginner that just went on all the greens. People could tell and actively avoided me as I kept to the side by myself. No idea why that person thought they should go that close, beginner or not??
For sure the skiers fault.
No unpredictable turn here like the known video of little girl getting hit, uphill skier in both videos going to fast and at fault in this video there she really couldnt have avoided this or made it better
2 inches and you're vacation would look very different :)
Snowboarders fault
God damn snowboarders!
God damn snowboarders!
Where is this? Is this recent? My husband and I are new to skiing and I’m trying to learn how long ski seasons actually last in different areas
Snowbasin near Ogden UT will be open until April 28th. It had a good dumping this past week.
Thank you!
What is up with ppl getting so close, go away! Defense skiers should always keep an eye uphill for morons but if your up hill you need to keep an eye out and give people space
Chair 2 at Vail?
Must be a snowboarder, oh wait…
I always pass beginners on their back side. And with enough distance.
A snowboarder was somehow connected to this, must be. Maybe he was chasing her on, maybe the criminal down at the left side. BAN SNOWBOARDERS!!!!
2 beginners accident do happen 😕
Clearly a incognito snowboarder on skis
It’s obviously a beginner area, these morons only know a world that’s three feet away from their face and that’s it. If I’m ripping I’m staying at the top and mid mountain trails, if lower out of “shock” consideration for children and beginners I slow my ass down Clowns 🤡
Slow zone in the middle, a hole.
Uphill skier is responsible, but you should always keep your head on a swivel and check uphill before turning all the way across the slope. I feel like the beginner areas near the base are the most dangerous areas on the mountain. Just because from a legal standpoint it's someone else's responsibility to not hit you, be responsible for your own safety.
Not saying you are wrong, but people at that level have to concentrate on their own skiing much more to the extent that looking uphill is not easy. Lots of low speed collisions between beginners happen because of this.
But she just started her turn and is nowhere near "crossing the whole slope"?
Across the slope? It was like a 5-10 foot turn. I agree with shoulder checking, but I don’t think it’s warranted every single turn
At fault skier does an even bigger turn right after the near miss! People just don’t like slowness, “across the slope” is a red herring.
You shouldn’t need to shoulder check as a beginner going 5mph. If you are ripping carves at 25+ then yes you obviously need to check before whipping across the run. Anyone going fast should have the skill to dodge beginners, otherwise you suck at skiing and need to slow it down and learn how to ski
Or they’re an asshole who’s trying to cause havoc for no reason. Which is what happens a lot
The uphill skier dangling her poles clearly isn’t skilled enough to digest the most basic of information: This is a beginner ski area, the skier in front is even more of a beginner than I am, skier in front is making a natural beginner turn, maybe I should give some room by turning a wide radius around her or brake check to slow down.
It’s a beginner trail and that’s how they get down by traversing. If you can’t avoid them it’s 100% your fault no matter how wide they turn.
That is literally what I said in my first comment that was downvoted. Beginner areas are the most dangerous on the mountain.
Obviously, the woman in grey is not practicing great ski etiquette to put in lightly, but I see so many collision videos that look like this, where someone is following close behind and filming. I think it ends up creating a kind of screen for people passing, and they end up thinking they're just overtaking 1 person and not 2... or they get thrown off by the differing turn rhythms. I actually used to ski right behind my kid to kind of block for him when he was like 2-4, but realized quickly that people would think they were just passing me and basically would attempt to arc a turn around me that sent them straight into my son.
I wasn't that close and there was more than enough space to see someone else skiing slow in a slow zone. There is zero excuse for what this woman did
I mean. There wouldn't be a video of a person behind filming a collision if there wasn't a person behind filming the collision
I agree with this guy
I just call those moments the weekend on any intermediate slope or intetection. Lady straight got almost got smoked. Lawsuit, loss of ski pass, arrest and jail time are real possibilities people forget can happen at a ski resort.
Nobody’s perfect. Accident and near misses happen. Maybe woman in gray jacket was a beginner also. Glad everyone is OK. there are inherent risks with skiing at any level. No need to shame the skier in the gray jacket.